As officials, we strive to be in the best and closest position to make the right call on contact. Fans, coaches and video cameras often do not have the angle or the proximity to see contact that should be considered foul-worthy contact. In this respect, it is problematic to second guess the officials in these videos and make a definitive judgment as to whether the correct call was made. Despite this humble observation, I appreciate the chance to examine both the action and the commentary - very helpful. Thank you!
We do our best not to "second guess" or call out officials for the call they make on the floor at the time of the game as we understand we do not have the entire context of the game. However, as a learning tool, taking a snippet of a game and commenting on the play at the available video angle, can provide a lot of insight on how to apply rules in real game situations. Thank you for watching.
Play 5 Could that be upgraded to a fragrant one because the contact was above the shoulders and neck area and a hit to the head of the airborne player?
Fourth play, the defender's left arm can't be seen til the end of the play when it pops up quickly. Could that be the cause of the foul call? The right hand got all ball, but we don't know what the left is doing. The ref had a better angle on that play and might have seen more than we did from our angle.
We can only comment and reflect on what the video show but do acknowledge it is limited in what we can actually see. Nothing replaces being on the floor with the players up close.
Maybe, but very hard in real time to discern if he caught the ball with one foot on the floor or both in the air, OR if he landed simultaneously, or close enough to simultaneously. Thanks for watching.
Play #2, the defense player hit the hand of the offense player while the ball is in hand, so it is not a foul? I am always confused when people say "hand is part of the ball". Contact on hand is still contact. Please clarify.
Rule 4.24.2 & 10.7.2 state if a player, while attempting to play the ball, hits the hand of an opponent while it is touching the ball, it should be considered incidental. Remember, the mere fact that contact occurs does not constitute a foul, 4.27.2
@@OfficialsInstitute Thank you! Further on this - 1) does the defensive player need to touch the ball? what if the contact is all on hand? 2) This also applies to contact on a jump shot and dribbling, right?
The rule does not state the ball must be touched nor does it limit it to any particular play. If the official judges it a play on the ball, any and all contact on the hand, regardless of the ball handlers action, is to be considered incidental.
Two questions. First play number two you said it’s not a foul because of contact is on his hand so you can hit the hand if the hand is on the ball is that correct? The other question play number five the hit on the head is well after the ball is out of his hands, that wouldn’t change the results at all?
Yes, hitting the hand while in contact with the ball is legal. Location of the ball is irrelevant on this play. Hitting another player in the head is a foul regardless. If the player is still airborne, they would also still be considered in the act of shooting. Hope that helps.
Really enjoy these. I got three. As for the bald guy on Play 5…. Do you think he’ll postgame that play or watch the game film to see if the call was correct? Not likely.
Yay! 4/4. I didn't try on the fourth play. We had a stacked look, having no angle on the space between players, so I figured why guess on that one? :-P
As officials, we strive to be in the best and closest position to make the right call on contact. Fans, coaches and video cameras often do not have the angle or the proximity to see contact that should be considered foul-worthy contact. In this respect, it is problematic to second guess the officials in these videos and make a definitive judgment as to whether the correct call was made. Despite this humble observation, I appreciate the chance to examine both the action and the commentary - very helpful. Thank you!
We do our best not to "second guess" or call out officials for the call they make on the floor at the time of the game as we understand we do not have the entire context of the game. However, as a learning tool, taking a snippet of a game and commenting on the play at the available video angle, can provide a lot of insight on how to apply rules in real game situations. Thank you for watching.
Excellent video - thank you!
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Oops, judging by the cadence, lead is anticipating the play in #3. "We'd rather be late and right, than early and wrong."
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Play 5 Could that be upgraded to a fragrant one because the contact was above the shoulders and neck area and a hit to the head of the airborne player?
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Fourth play, the defender's left arm can't be seen til the end of the play when it pops up quickly. Could that be the cause of the foul call? The right hand got all ball, but we don't know what the left is doing. The ref had a better angle on that play and might have seen more than we did from our angle.
Same thoughts here. What didn’t we see here?
@@stevenhansen494 the only things that come to mind are a push, or a hack.
We can only comment and reflect on what the video show but do acknowledge it is limited in what we can actually see. Nothing replaces being on the floor with the players up close.
I saw #22 traveling in play No. 4, what do you think?
Thanks for the officiating resource.
Maybe, but very hard in real time to discern if he caught the ball with one foot on the floor or both in the air, OR if he landed simultaneously, or close enough to simultaneously. Thanks for watching.
Play #2, the defense player hit the hand of the offense player while the ball is in hand, so it is not a foul? I am always confused when people say "hand is part of the ball". Contact on hand is still contact. Please clarify.
Rule 4.24.2 & 10.7.2 state if a player, while attempting to play the ball, hits the hand of an opponent while it is touching the ball, it should be considered incidental. Remember, the mere fact that contact occurs does not constitute a foul, 4.27.2
@@OfficialsInstitute Thank you! Further on this - 1) does the defensive player need to touch the ball? what if the contact is all on hand? 2) This also applies to contact on a jump shot and dribbling, right?
The rule does not state the ball must be touched nor does it limit it to any particular play. If the official judges it a play on the ball, any and all contact on the hand, regardless of the ball handlers action, is to be considered incidental.
Two questions. First play number two you said it’s not a foul because of contact is on his hand so you can hit the hand if the hand is on the ball is that correct? The other question play number five the hit on the head is well after the ball is out of his hands, that wouldn’t change the results at all?
Yes, hitting the hand while in contact with the ball is legal. Location of the ball is irrelevant on this play. Hitting another player in the head is a foul regardless. If the player is still airborne, they would also still be considered in the act of shooting. Hope that helps.
Really enjoy these. I got three.
As for the bald guy on Play 5…. Do you think he’ll postgame that play or watch the game film to see if the call was correct? Not likely.
lol. great point. ha.
Yay! 4/4. I didn't try on the fourth play. We had a stacked look, having no angle on the space between players, so I figured why guess on that one? :-P
Yes, you are correct. Wish he could find perfect videos for all our segments but sometimes have to go with what we have.
four, I thought got some of his head in play 1 but I was wrong
Nice Job.
Three
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