Nikki Haley under fire for response about cause of Civil War
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- Nikki Haley, who’s seen a recent surge in polls, is coming under fire for how she answered a question about the cause of the Civil War. NBC’s Ryan Nobles reports for TODAY.
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It's really bad when even Desantis says, "Yikes!" 😬
Ron DeSantis 2024
This is what happens when a politician tries to give answers to please voters...than just say what she really thinks.
I'd rather have an honest politician that I disagree with than a wind sock....trying to blow whichever way she thinks might appeal.
Exactly.
when you lie, it's hard to keep track of all the lies.
It’s to please w…e people
How anyone could vote for her is beyond me .
Exactly. She was a horrible governor of SC...horrible!
You know you're only saying you understand no one but yourself.
Then don't vote for her. Problem solved.
@@FLAMINGBABYHEAD Problem is his comment insults those they know nothing about.
@@useyourbrain1539
They are who we think they are
The Civil War _was_ about “states rights” ofc.
The states rights to own black people.
Slavery was still legal and practiced in Washington DC until 1862 ! And in other places in the North until the ratification (forced in the south) of the 13th amendment. Union General Ulysses Grant owned slaves in Mississippi DURING the war he was supposedly fighting to free. Check it out.
And no whataboutism makes that right, correct? @@oldblackstock2499
Finally the right answer
@@oldblackstock2499 And the South withdrew because the North was moving towards abolishing slavery (hence the whole "1862" point you made, right after the start of the Civil War).
@@oldblackstock2499 we all know this, what's your point? Speak clearly, show some self-respect.
Nearly 200 years later, and we’re still debating this…wow
Could you believe there’s people who want another all because a man lost an election
Bruuhhhhh.....!!!!!
Because many people don't want to admit what it was really about. There's a significant amount of Americans who want to revise history and say that it wasn't over slavery. So yeah... we can't let them revise history.
That is because racists are still rampant in many parts of the country. Look at Florida where Chinese are forbidden to buy properties or go to graduate schools.
Blame the Lost Causers 😆
And she questioned Joe Biden cognitive ability… next time she debates vivek going to be epic 😂
She will say whatever her biggest donors tell her to say
Even if you strongly feel state rights was huge part of the civil war, you have to ask yourself what rights were southern states fighting for?
………to own slaves 😅
Not only that. Did you know they sent a rep to Europe who discussed ending slavery in exchange for support? That's a very shallow way to look at it. Things aren't that simple. It's the same game they're playing today.
@Qqxx22 That was but one element. It was much more complicated than that. Besides, the South fired the first shot in defense. If Lincoln had not sent troops into the newly established country (he invaded a foreign country the Confederate States of America) he could have negotiated or at least let us go. It could have been settled peaceably. If allowed to continue the USA and the CSA probably would have been the two closest allies. And, by my study of the civil war and aftermath most likely the South would have ended slavery gradually so to prepare the slaves for a life if freedom. As it was they suffered greatly as did the whole South because the land and economy was decimated. Think about it, most white Southerners couldn't afford a slave if they wanted one. Would they fight for rich people to keep their slaves. I don't think so.
The North had slaves also do your homework
@@luckypuppa4950 The souths entire economy was dependent on the labor of enslaved people. The south formed the police explicitly to maintain this institution. Read up on the history of most of the oldest police stations in our country and the main thing they all did was terrorize black people they enslaved so they wouldnt rebel.
@@oldblackstock2499 "we shot first at a stationary fort because we were defending ourselves! Oops did I say stationary? I meant that the fort was coming straight at us!!!"
Ya Nikki, the flag is a symbol of sacrifice and heritage for the preservation of an agrarian society based and DEPENDENT on slavery!
And you care about slavery in the USA hundreds of yrs ago while there is over 7 million slaves in Africa NOW.
Like most societies throughout the majority of human history, you mean? Slavery was wrong here just like everywhere else but frankly we’re done feeling bad about it, and refuse to condemn our own people who also did many good and noble things. We don’t need anyone’s permission or approval to honor our heritage.
@@bigmac2752 I care about being honest regarding historical facts and accuracy! When did I ever say slavery elsewhere is ok or that I don’t care! 🤡🤡🤡
How could she possibly answer such a difficult question? 😂🤦♂️
She answered it correctly. But most people are clueless.
"Slavery". Literal 1 word answer.
@@mikehawes2 "What people could and couldn't do" you mean like owning people? Dude, it was about slavery.
@@mikehawes2 Why not just say slavery?
It was a loaded question to make her come off as racist. Everyone knows that leftist tactic 🤣
It's time that all candidates for political office be required to take a citizenship test before being allowed on the ballot. And must pass with a 90 or better. Tired of these low grade candidates
It was about slavery. It was repeatedly stated, by Stephens and Davis and written into their constitution that the confederacy was established to protect the right to own slaves. Period. When the South realized that neither Britain, nor France, were going to support them because both countries had already abolished slavery they spun it as a “States Rights” issue. Of course they, conveniently, left out the part about it being the “… to own slaves”.
The “tariffs” argument is also garbage because the state of New York was paying the vast majority of tariffs, the southern states were paying almost nothing.
All that spin was being done because the South came to the realization that slavery was a moral abomination and indefensible. It was nothing more than an attempt to take the stink off the turd of their “noble” cause.
Dont even get started on the reasons most of the police stations in the south were formed. The south and all authority it had was rotten to the core
You do realise the north could have purchased the release of all the slaves in the south at half the cost . The Brits paid out 20 million pounds to secure release of slaves with owners that they did not want to war with . plus US became a federal state after the end of civil war ,which a lot of people think was the real issue .
Who cares, has zero relevance to todays issues. This only matters to the people who would never vote for her anyways.
Nice "Saint Lincoln" retelling. Lincoln offered the Southern states the right to gradually end slavery with the final end coming in 1900, and, of course, Lincoln's plan was to "export"all Blacks out of the USA.
Try reading about the "Morrill Tariff" and how the import and export duties imposed upon the Southern states funded almost 80% of the Federal budget. The export tariff made Southern cotton so expensive that Britain started importing cotton from India. You really do not have a handle on much of what you attempted to promote.
Let's throw something pre-war into the mix..."The 3/5ths Compromise" in which slaves were only counted as 3/5ths of a person for the purpose of determining the number of U.S. Representatives. That was pushed by the Northern states to reduce the number of Representatives from Southern states to ensure that Southern states would never have the power to oppose their policy decisions. It was NOT the Southern states that wanted that "compromise."
Incidentally, in 1860 the U.S. Census reported that there were just about 250,000 Free Blacks in the Southern states.
Slavery became an issue when draft riots started in the North and they needed something other than an economic war. Never heard of the New York Draft Riots of 1863?
Incidentally, it was Robert E. Lee who, in 1858, termed slavery "a moral and political evil."
@@colkelley Sadly these facts get airbrushed out of history
In the words of Gomer Pyle "surprise, surprise, surprise." However, who's really surprised at what Nikki says or won't say.
South Carolina, ya'll got to do better than Nikki Haley, Lindsay Graham and rent-a-date man Tim Scott.
Read the Confederate States Constitutions, they tell you what the war was about.
I DARE YOU!
Well shes still right, though, it was about the government providing freedom, when the south wanted to own people.
Is the crayon print still holding up?
Do you really think the Union was telling its soldiers that they were dying and being maimed by the tens of thousands to free black people? Remember, these are white men in the 1860's. They believed they were fighting rebels and holding the union together, not freeing slaves. And while the north didn't have slavery, they were still very hostile towards black people.
Even Lincoln said in his inaugural address that it wasn't his problem: ""I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."
The South may have gone to war to protect the institution of slavery, but the north did not go to war to free slaves. If so, the Emancipation Proclamation would have happened at the beginning of the war, not the middle of it.
@@skie6282
Yep
The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States
&
Secession Ordinances of 13 Confederate States.
lol Ron desantis actually had a good response for once
Yeah, the broken clock analogy fits DeSantis.
Yeah, but it was disingenuous. Does anyone really believe Ron DeSantis would ever admit the Civil War was caused by slavery?
I said the exact same thing. He finally got one…😂
Yeah, when a racist says yikes to another racist, that's a sign...
@@aleuttrel2260 🤣
Just like they all do, she kept to the points the folks paying her wanted.💰💲💵
@phils5641 - dumb comment.
It's really annoying when people think they have to explain what any of these politicians really mean.
She told the truth.
Politicians can’t even explain what they mean.
It's really horrible that she is so ignorant, like many Republican politicians, yet she wants to be president.
@@Poemi10304yeah, she missed the chance to use race to divide us more like the Democrats.
@@skypatrol716 you mean like you just did…
She knows who butters her bread.
And her buns.😁
Thank you for showing this gotcha bs is just a way to smear people with identity politics.
Her mom's nephews
Says the side that cried for someone to answer "What is a woman?" for months...
@@donsachse yes. The left has moved so far left they can no longer define what a woman is.
Jeez, I lived in SC as a kid. My dad was very knowledgeable about the civil war. He took me to plantations so I could see the slave cabins, to the slave market in hard to miss downtown Charleston. We went to the harbor and climbed all over the cannons while my dad pointed out fort Sumter.
You can’t live in South Carolina without knowing that the civil war was about slavery. Any 8 year old in SC can tell you that.
Stephen Colbert is going to have a field day with this.
Haley is toast.
Colbert is a far left Liberal.
No, it was not about slavery. This is a common misconception. Haley was right. It was about the authority of the federal government over states. The southern states wanted independence from the federal government.
And did your dad mention that it was the Democrats that were enslaving the slaves?
@@mikehawes2Cope
@@demaciasolos He's not wrong though. You're being reductive. Why else would the South have sent a representative to Europe, who discussed phasing out slavery in exchange for European support?
Clearly the “beneficiary” of a “Lost Cause” southern state education.
Yep.. Something I rejected when I was 12..
Hey! Men can give birth ... right?
Nope...we were taught that the war was fought to preserve the union. Slavery was one of only several issues and only became a major issue when there were draft riots in the north resisting fighting a war over taxes and tariffs. There were Northern slave states before, during and after the war (Delaware even voted NOT to ratify the 13th Amendment) and the so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" did not free a single slave that the Union COULD have freed.
There is real history (try reading "The Federal Official Records of The War Of The Rebellion", published in 1867) and then there is the "Noble North/Saint Lincoln Myth", which is likely what you were taught.
@@colkelley
Once again, slavery was THE ONLY issue that these states would secede over.. They weren’t leaving the Union over border raids, OK?.. lol..
I’m from Texas so I used that particular example.. Sure, they listed their grievances, but the cause was slavery.. And they said that very clearly..
@@jacobjones5269- Absolutely incorrect and based on the tired "Saint Lincoln" mythos you have swallowed whole.
Well, she's from South Carolina folks ... they don't call it "the Deep South" for nothing. Some still call it "the War of Northern Aggression".
She answered that question about as well as she answered Vivek's question to her about Ukraine at the last debate.
@cc8751 Vivek ain't fake
@@elainesrottenbottom296he's just an overblown narcissist. I would not want him in any office. He doesn't care about ANYBODY but himself.
@@user-mg6wn4hs5t Definitely not the personality I want in a president.
@cm-qt9iroh really? So, I guess your "solution" or "answer" is what? Throw your hands up in the air? Fatalistic viewpoint, & I guess absolutely none of us should care about who we elect & how they govern? That is what you're saying...& honestly I couldn't think of any more of a naive mindset. Very childlike..it's like, oh well, I can't do anything about it, little old me...like a CHILD! Sorry to break it to you, but your mindset ain't cutting the mustard.
I don’t get why this woman is seriously being considered. She is extremely corrupt and I say this as someone who will either vote republican or not vote at all depending on who is the nominee.
Please don't vote fora lesser evil at all. 🙂🖖
I can’t stand her and don’t know anyone else that likes her either! I don’t believe the polls!
It's just a show, the Elite Party has already chosen Trump. Harris will replace Biden second term first year.
Please, TMac! Do us all a favor and "not vote at all". That'd probably be best for the country. You do know, do you not, That Nikki Haley is just about the best your Party has to offer? That's kinda "SAD", ain't it?
thanks for showing me you're capable of articulating factual counter arguments..... thats sarcasm just so you know. What about her is best, please tell me? The fact that she was a million dollars in debt when she stepped down as US Ambassador in 2018 to today being worth more than 8 million dollars says everything even when you dismiss her being on the board of Boeing as a favor paid for recruiting the company to expand operations to her home state. The day job does not add up when you look at all the number of book sales and speaking engagement fees, if youre capable of simple math. Her involvement with multiple companies is the beginning of the trail of pay for play corruption. See for yourself. We dont need another corrupt politician. I think you're the one that doesn't need to vote based of your bullying logic. Also, Vivek is the best the party has to offer at this time. @@clayoreilly4553
But freedoms to do what exactly Nikki?
It is hard to know what Haley was taught back in the day about the Civil War, but current curriculum in South Carolina features slavery front and center in the civil war. Back to school for Haley?
Being up on a stage, guess it's kinda hard to Google the answer.
Right 😂
Right, because smartphones don’t exist…
Dwl😂😂
You think Google is giving you the real answer 😂
Lol.
This is what happens when the majority of your base is delusional.
Imagine that, humans trying to govern civilization based upon their limited understanding of our precise predicament in our natural environment, on our planet, in our solar system, in our galaxy, in this universe. Politicians want our votes because they want to better their individual careers and lifestyles, not because they care about everyone else or even the future of human existence.
When you lump everyone together, politicians, or religions, or immigrants, etc, you close the door to solutions.
@@glendagraves1637 I mean some groups are just like, bad inherently though? Like I think its ok to say all people who stomp on puppies are bad, right? Conservatives are bad people who only want to conserve the worst aspects of our history.
Spoken like a true atheist. Unfortunately they don’t base their decision making off data or evidence, and opinions like yours are in a deep minority.
Everyone except Trump. He took a downgrade in accommodation and lifestyle to become President. As well as taking a multi-billion dollar hit to his net worth.
Exactly 💯
Of course she's not gonna answer she's trying to play it slick...just spineless....slavery happened geez...its ok to say it. We all know Nikki...anything for power.
2+2 equals 4 the HCaust happened the earth isn't flat and the civil war was over SLABÈRI CNN PRAGERU
You give her too much credit. She didn't duck the answer...she simply didn't know it.
"Anything for power." There's a concept you're well-acquainted with.
A common explanation is that the Civil War was fought over the moral issue of slavery.
In fact, it was the economics of slavery and political control of that system that was central to the conflict.
A key issue was states' rights.
The Southern states wanted to assert their authority over the federal government so they could abolish federal laws they didn't support, especially laws interfering with the South's right to keep slaves and take them wherever they wished.
Another factor was territorial expansion.
The South wished to take slavery into the western territories, while the North was committed to keeping them open to white labor alone.
Meanwhile, the newly formed Republican party, whose members were strongly opposed to the westward expansion of slavery into new states
@@shamCDyou probably right..lol
Lol. They have lied for so long that 1:41 they have forgotten the Truth....
😂😂😂😂
Imagine getting a "Yikes" from the guy whose state teaches that slavery taught good labor skills
didn’t teach it very well
@@mikepryor7467 Education via beating sometimes doesn't stick.
*Jesus loves critical thinking.
That's not what the state teaches. That's a lie.
Because it literally did. Also that curriculum was written by black people
@@ThisisKyleIn a civilized society, we learn those skills while getting paid or in school, and not while undercutting the job opportunities for free men.
She must have read the Daughters of the Confederacy’s version!
"What do we want you to do about slavery?" Maybe start with it being bad...
They lobbed her a soft ball….and she whiffed. Are there any candidates running with backbone and morality? If you can find one, in either party, I’ll support them.
RFKjr
Oh… btw: he’s not in “either party”.
RFK? And he’s in your party. Why won’t Biden allow debate and a race for the primary seat instead of doing what Hilary did in 2016 and shutting down all opposition. Trump is also the best candidate right now. Even better than RFK who I also like.
@@Dr.Gainzzz the comment was “either party”, implying that there’s only two choices. There are three choices. I’m going with RFKjr. He is intent on uniting this great nation.
Best day to ya.
At least they didn't ask about government corruption but thats for the after hour party 🎉
Corrupt like TH-cam 😂
The surge is about 3 watts, not much at all.
I mean, it's not like they had all there plans laid out for the country to read after the war. It just makes people mad. Rewrite all the history books you want, it's not gonna change the truth.
They literally said it was about slavery in their states’ declarations of secession. Rewrite history all you want, the war was about slavery, and no amount of lost cause revision is gonna change the truth.
They did, and it was about slavery.
A common explanation is that the Civil War was fought over the moral issue of slavery.
In fact, it was the economics of slavery and political control of that system that was central to the conflict.
A key issue was states' rights.
The Southern states wanted to assert their authority over the federal government so they could abolish federal laws they didn't support, especially laws interfering with the South's right to keep slaves and take them wherever they wished.
Another factor was territorial expansion.
The South wished to take slavery into the western territories, while the North was committed to keeping them open to white labor alone.
Meanwhile, the newly formed Republican party, whose members were strongly opposed to the westward expansion of slavery into new states
Did you know the Confederate states wrote their official reasons for leaving?
The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States
Secession Ordinances of 13 Confederate States.
Koch's foundation is extremely pleased with her answer.
She's not wrong. That "something" was slavery though.😂😂
its interesting how she mentions how government should not be in individual choices yet there is still a stance on abortion regulated by the government.
Exactly
Big difference is the states vs federal government.
Because abortion is MURDER, and NO ONE has the right to MURDER a INNOCENT CHILD!!!
She probably also thinks government should regulate theft, fraud, and all kinds of murder, too. What a hypocrite!
@@nickthompson2023it is still the 'government' of the states being in individual choices.
When Ron DeSantis says yikes, you know you messed up
He has no place to say it, because his whole platform is all about that kind of disingenuous crap, reframing history to erase the atrocity of slavery
It was an incredibly intellectually dishonest response
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
How's that?
There is a difference in the way she’s wired compared to us.
"Us" meaning those who think turning an entire race of people into perpetual victims equates to compassion and concern?
@@AlexSosaBolivia ahh, so you wouldn’t say slavery either. Unfortunate, you could’ve been somebody.
@@AlexSosaBolivia did you take your hood off before you wrote that?
At least she knows she’s making some traction lol. If no one cared about her then they wouldn’t care about what she said 😂
Within her first campaign video, Haley explains that her SC hometown is racially divided by railroad tracks (infrastructure). Then with a different face says America is not racist. TH-cam it.
She didn’t ignore it. She just had no idea
A high school junior knows these things, how would the governor of South Carolina not?
@@Matt-fl8uyshe went to Clemson. Mid tier school. They aren’t teaching you nothing there except how to drink on a college football Saturday
What I heard her say is that the government doesn’t have the right to tell anyone whether or not they can own slaves.
That's what she said. "I'm not calling slavery a problem."
She simply didn't know the answer. That is all.
@@shamCDConservatism was the ideology of the Southern states during the Civil War they started over slavery. Those conservatives wanted free labor.
_Liberal Republican_ Abraham Lincoln, that cannabis smoking, 'All Men are Created Equal' lawyer, from Illinois freed those slaves.
Conservatism was the ideology of the business owners who used *child labor,* from the mines to the fields to the factories.
Conservatives were, and still are, against Unions like the ones that ended child labor. Conservatives are *against education* and teachers' Unions.
The conservative ideology has always been against 99% of the population, they just don't want people knowing that. That is why the latest of those conservatives, Rupert 1% Murdoch spreads propaganda throughout the World hiding conservatives' *crimes against Humanity.*
Thats not what she said, you might want to see a doctor, your hearing things that arent there.
@@shamCDshe literally asked him what did he want to say about slavery ? Maybe that by keeping slaves when you weren’t supposed sparked the civil war ?
I loathe this woman and I don’t even know what she said but there are almost no wars in history with one single cause. They’re almost always complicated, with various issues coming together to eventually lead to war. Including the American civil war. It shows how dumbed down we are as a society that it’s controversial to have an opinion other than “oh it was 100% slavery and evil southerners”, which I’m assuming is what is going on here.
I thought it was a simple question but if you're from South Carolina, I guess not!
She could of answered”I wasn’t born yet “😂😂
You could have used correct grammar in that comment.
@@alexabreu1502 you could have realized it’s the internet not an essay.
None us where, yet we’re still debating this.
She'll probably defer to you to answer for her in the future
Oh it was about states rights?
A states right to WHAT EXACTLY!?
O yes, that is what we were fed in school half a century ago, "States' Rights." Exactly WHAT states' right was never specified.
The south feared that the government shouldn't take away thier property. But wait a minute wasn't the slaves considered property??? So if the slave was considered property and the union wanted to take away there property. Wouldn't that be case that the south was fighting to keep thier property AKA SLAVES. No matter how a person can twist the narrative. The civil war was and always will be about keeping thier slaves aka thier property.
To marry their first cousins
Own people
@@jeannerogers7085It's not exclusively about that. Overall, the states' rights to give their laws more weight than that of the federal government.
How about answering truthfully?! She like the devil is a liar! 😡
I’ve been studying Haley and have come to the realization that she is not transparent or honest because she does not want to offend anyone (Political group) therefore, the public may never get a honest response from her.
This is not the quality of a leader with integrity
I really glad someone in the audience told her about Slavery without her saying the word.
they forget to say that the Democrats actually caused the Civil War.. they are the ones that wanted the slaves
Because it’s such a bad word…right?
@@Pinkielover research the PARTY SWITCH
It's wasn't about slavery, look up the start of the civil war and the date of the Emancipation Proclamation! Lincoln didn't make it about slavery until three years into the War!
It was all started over Confederate currency! The Confederates established an independent bank and currency which would be untaxable by the Federal Government! That's why the war started!
@@CriminalonCrime Even better, read the southern states "Declaration of Causes". They said, for themselves, in their own words, what the war was about.
They said it was about slavery.
These people are shameless! Nothing more to say.
We all are
She's from South Carolina and that's the South Carolina point of view.
It’s crazy how she mentioned freedom and rights but never mentioned how a woman doesn’t have a right to abortion
Depends on which state you live in.
@@paulhunt4690 It doesnt actually matter when red states are passing laws to punish people for what they do in other states. Its also super bad because a lot of people who need abortions cant just pick up and leave. If they tried, states like Texas would go after anyone involved with helping in any way.
Your momma had the right. What happened?
Her only chance is winning the nomination in SC, she's afraid to lose votes there. Which is a shame, because I actually respected her for showing some backbone in taking down the flag.
I thought it was the opposite. She said it in the clip. She didn’t want to but she felt the media messaging was against it, which, to be fair, the media/social media messaging was hysterical about the flag with very little knowledge about it.
@@justinmayfield6579. That wasn’t the case. Not only is she rewriting history about the civil war, she’s rewriting her own history. You need to vet politicians more carefully.
Removing the confederate flag was Nikki’s golden moment. It propelled her into the limelight. If she had capitalized on that, she stood to have a stellar career. Instead, she joined the Trump train. She’ll never wash those stains away.
@@justinmayfield6579 we know about it, thats why we dont like it.
@@justinmayfield6579 I was born and raised in in VA, I was fed the lost cause BS the first half of my life. I'm knowledgeable of the flag, it needed to come down. I wish I was there to see Grants statue be removed also.
💯💯💯💯🙌🏾@@StellarBoBellar
She's from South Carolina,
what response did you expect?
South Carolina is still stuck in the 70s,
the 1870s!!!
Facts are facts wether you're in a myth lab trailer park in Mississippi or in Massachusetts. 2 + 2 equals 4 the HCaust happened the civil war was about slabèri
The cause of the Civil War was primarily economic. Slavery became the propaganda cause when the Union Army ran out of immigrants to absorb casualties and the New York draft riots occurred in which a number of Black residents were killed. Before the war Lincoln offered the seceded states the right to maintain slavery until 1900 during a gradual reduction and ending of slavery...the South refused because it was about import and export taxes that were crippling the South.
If it was about slavery then why was Delaware a UNION slave state before, during and after the war ended and voted AGAINST the 13th Amendment that ended slavery? Why did the so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" NOT free a single slave in any area controlled by the Union and why was the entire Confederate state of Tennessee excluded from the "Emancipation Proclamation" and why were numerous counties in Virginia and parishes in New Orleans excluded along with the Union slave state of Delaware?
Big FACT that not many people realize...SLAVERY DID NOT END WITH THE DEFEAT OF THE CONFEDERATES STATES OF AMERICA in May, 1865. Because the "Emancipation Proclamation" only applied to "those...now in a state of rebellion" the slaves excluded in the "Proclamation" remained enslaved until December, 1865, when the 13th Amendment was ratified. For the period of May to December the United States of America was the last slave nation in North America.
It's all about the "Saint Lincoln" myth. Lincoln was a self-avowed White supremacist (from his pre-war debates and speeches) and his post-war plan was to export ALL Black Americans, including those who had never been slaves, back to Africa or to other locations where they could create their own nation (Liberia).
History is a wonderful thing...but when the victors write the history, it's not really history. I recommend the movie "Ride With The Devil" (1999, directed by Ang Lee).
Lincoln and his Generals didn't give a flip about slavery, but about keeping rhe Union together.
She’s been saying some crazy stuff lately.
How so? To say the war was just about slavery is reductive. Secession happened because of a few factors, slavery being one, but the purpose of the war was to retain federal control over the entirety of the US.
Like wannabe DICTATOR Trump
@@dannykaity7668 that’s the problem she said everything but slavery. At the end of the day, slavery was the main issue whether people want to admit it or not.
@@austinkowalski5512 Secession was the issue. Slavery caused the secession, but it's reductive to say that slavery on its own was the problem. Even back then there was classism among white people.
"Let's Gaslight America Again!" -Nikka 2024, probably
I was waiting for her to say that the Crips and the Bloods started the Civil War, one side is red and the other side is blue.. 🥸
Why don't you mention the Morill act?? You know, the one that doubled to tariffs!
Yeah, that was quite disturbing to watch 😂
Really was it? Or maybe have your own thoughts and don’t rely on the news to tell you how you should feel. Everyone know slavery was a problem it goes without saying. Which is why she said “what do you want me to say about slavery” go vote trump if you would rather
Disturbing 😶🌫️
Yes it was, she was trying so hard not to upset the racist with her answer because she knows that’s her base if she wants to win , she’s a coward and I would never vote for any of these republicans
2024 Voters: Let this be your warning.. this is how this woman will address the real issues facing her if she's elected.
"Be honest about history!" - "NOT LIKE THAT"
Ron DeSantos is killing me the man who banned black history is trying to talk😂😂
Nobody banned black history. That is a slanderous lie.
This is PragerU education at its finest!
The HCaust happened 2+2 equals 4 the earth isn't flat and the civil war was over slabèri CNN PRAGERU
Yes! Revisionist history.
Changing history because it hurts my feefees
Isn’t Dennis Prager the guy that licked door knobs during pandemic?
Vivek is going to make her pay for this just as he did on the debates
Very similar to the new supreme court justice's answer to "What is a woman?" Obvious, right? Be careful when throwing rocks ...
The January 10 republican debate at Drake University may even be worth watching after all. 😂😂😂
Civil war wasn’t fought because of slavery… what she said was correct.
the freedom to own slaves Nikki? economic freedom? WTH is she talking about? if she is not capable of expressing the simple fact that the ACW was fought over slavery, then she really is not capable of being POTUS
It wasnt the main issue. The civil war was caused by exactly what she said. Genuinely curious what the issue is? 😂 Its ignorant of history to claim the civil war was caused by slavery. Sure that was a component but there were other major components. For one. Lincoln. His presidency was utterly rejected by other states. Two, was federal power and what those states deemed tyrannical. We were still a young nation considering the importance of centralized power. So this news story confuses me. Seems to me they found a way to hook the ignorant masses. Apparently they hooked you.. Js..
Biden cannot communicate what flavor of ice cream he's currently eating- and he's the "President ", so they say 😂😂😂
Freedom for self-determination for states... It was states rights vs the federal government. And yes, the South believed that freedom extended to owning slaves. But people are naive if they think the north went to war to free slaves. It was for economic and political reasons (the South had a big economic advantage with free labor). Most northern politicians were ok with reaching a compromise that brought the South back into the fold while still allowing slavery. And do you think tens of thousands of northern white men were dying on the battlefield to free black people?
Uh, any Republican from South Carolina who will not admit that slavery was the reason for her parties existence and the Civil War should be immediately disqualified from office. Disgusting.
Who said that? An old southern guy, whose great grandfather was a Confederate Soldier/Veteran and whose also has great great grandfather who was the 2nd governor of Alabama.
That's who.
Taxation without representation was the main issue...and lets not forget that AFRICA legalized slavery back in the day AND today 2023 Slavery is the #2 trade in Africa today...Get over this idea that people owned slaves like cats and dogs....We the working class are the modern day slaves...
At least she didn’t mention the “airports”.
🤣
Yeah, I'll never forget Trump mentioning how they took the airports during the Revolutionary War.
Found her voter
@@EatAPeach72 who?
@@FairlyFatherless Ahhh.. The Siege of Dulles. "They keep teasing us with promises of something called a "refreshments cart", but it never appears"
It’s funny to see people get mad at the truth
That Democrats were the party of slavery? That truth?
It's almost as if you don't know that we can literally read each states declaration of secession 🤔
Soooo y’all still “don’t know” why there was a civil war huh…. 🙄
How can you say she's surging in the polls when she's about 50 points behind poopy pants?
LIES from the mainstream media
If she mentions slavery then she would be validating the need for Critical Race Theory.
Yup.
No.
Uh no
Totally
Naw I think totally possible to accept slavery as the main cause of the Civil War and reject modern critical race theory
You need to disassociate the cause for secession with the cause of the civil war. Secession was 100% about slavery. It cannot be ignored. The Civil war was fought over the legality of secession though, not over slavery, at least until the emancipation proclamation. If the south had seceded over taxes, the war would still have been about whether or not a state has the authority to break away from the US and form its own country.
This is a good answer. There was definitely a large component of slavery but the whole situation was much more complex.
That's like saying a person imprisoned for murder was not imprisoned for murder, but instead was imprisoned because they were convicted.
Would that be confusing the murder with the conviction?
Secession over slavery and The Civil War is a distinction without good meaning...
@@TragoudistrosMPH "If I could save the union without freeing any slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that." - Abraham Lincoln
@@ianbatey3425 one president's quote from speech, yes...but was that policy?
Now please read the entire Confederacy's official declarations:
The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States
&
Secession Ordinances of 13 Confederate States.
(Had you even heard of those?)
I could quote Trump and his speeches on infrastructure or replacing the Affordable Care Act, but did those happen?
I could quote Biden speeches on student loans and reshaping SCOTUS. Did those happen?
People inferring based on quotes instead of reading actual policy documents is why there's speculation.
@@TragoudistrosMPH that’s a bad comparison. It was not necessarily true that secession demanded a war of reunification. South Africa, Australia, Canada are all examples of countries who gained independence without bloodshed. While the cause for secession was slavery, it wasn’t established that secession was illegal until after the civil war. Jefferson Davis hoped Lincoln would have him arrested so he could argue this point in the courts.
So no war was not a forgone conclusion during the first days of secession, even with the southern states seizing federal forts and attempting to evict union garrisons. To make the argument that the war was over slavery, you need to point to evidence that the union, who was waging the war, was doing so immediately for the abolition of slavery, which they were not doing.
Slavery, Nikki, the word is slavery. Your not saying it doesn't mean it didn't exist.
What would have happened if the South had not tried to secede from the Union?
Slaves would have probably won their freedom about the same time women gained the right to vote.
The interesting thing about Conservatives is that they can be legally right but morally wrong.
Had the "states rights" not directly contradicted human rights, the autonomy of individual states is absolutely something to be protected.
By choosing slavery as their cause, they invalidated their own argument. Human rights rise superior to the rights of government, be that state or federal.
Only one problem, they were democrats, all of them, democrats fought for slavery n still enact it in every major city in U.S.A.,
It was never ever about state's rights. The South did not care about state's rights until after THEY lost power. They had no problem creating and enforcing legislation such as mandating Northern States send freed men back, setting up legal codes that favored slavery over emancipation, and a host of other laws that tread on Northern State's rights. It was only when they lost the house and senate that they suddenly cared about state's rights.
And the taxes are such a minor thing. Read the various articles of succession or the cornerstone speech. It is like 80% protecting slavery and white supremacy.
If the cause of the Civil War was slavery, then why didn't the civil war happen earlier? Because slavery wasn't the cause of the Civil War.
Conservatives are usually legally right and morally right. It's the Democrats that are usually morally wrong as well.
I am a staunch conservative, one you would likely disagree with on most issues. Anyone who pretends that the Civil War is not about slavery is a rube falling for 170 year old propaganda. The CSA (Confederate States of America) engineered one of the most effective propaganda campaigns in human history. They convinced a bunch of poor farmers that keeping unpaid laborers as their competitors would benefit them.
The question was a setup. Any other answer beside the one most commonly forced on people would be met with a attack. You are damned if you do & damned if you don't with these people. She took down the rebel flag at the State house for these people but when you pander one time it will never be enough.
If it was forced onto people, the leaders of the movement are guilty.. They flat out said it in their writings of the time..
It’s beyond clear what their motivation was..
It was a layup and she air balled it then got her rebound then shot a brick and somehow the main stream media still says she got 2pts.
She knows who her base is and didn't want to offend them with you know, the truth.
The civil war was about slavery. Good question why Nikki Haley didn't want to acknowledge that being a part of history
The First U.S. Civil War was primarily a conflict between two elite factions, each representing distinct economic interests and policy objectives. One faction of elites were the Southern slave-owning aristocrats, whose wealth depended on an agricultural economy rooted in slavery, mainly for cotton production. They sought free trade policies, particularly with textile-manufacturing nations like Britain, to maximize their profits. In stark contrast, the other faction of elites, the Northern industrialist class, benefiting from a burgeoning industrial economy, advocated for protectionist policies to shield their factories from foreign competition. This clash between the Southern desire for free trade to support their slave-based agriculture and the Northern push for protectionism to bolster their industrial growth created an environment that ultimately led to the Civil War. Northern elites promoted abolition primarily as a strategic move to undermine the power of the Southern slave-owning elites, who were the biggest opposition to policies favouring their economic interests, such as protectionism. The proximate cause of the Civil War was over slavery, but the ultimate cause was a lot more complicated than that.
Hey now!! You best chill with that educated and well thought out response.
Nice analysis, except it focuses only on the elites, which is a fatal flaw. Of course, according to you, only the elites (like Abraham Lincoln, Frederick Douglass, Sojourner Truth, William Lloyd Garrison, and many others) advocated for abolition. Of course, there was no one in the north who found slavery morally repugnant, it was all just driven by a strategic motivation. To use your own words, the ultimate cause was a lot more complicated than your simplistic (and cynical) analysis. For those who minimize slavery and try and whitewash it, I wish for one day they would be transported back to Alabama or Mississippi to be a slave in 1860. Their tunes would change.
@@richardferguson9836 I'm focusing on elites because they're the only ones who really had the power and could affect any change. It has always been this way. There were obviously abolitionist societies dotted around the place, but they didn't really hold any major power until they were strategically backed by various elites.
You raise a good point about elites, but they would not have supported anti-slavery actions by the federal government if the majority of people in the north wanted to keep slavery. It is not so clear-cut as the idea that whatever the elites supported would invariably happen, or if not support would not happen. The conflict involved millions of regular soldiers, north and south. Most of those hundreds of thousands of northern soldiers felt they were fighting not only for the union, but for the destruction of an evil system. The creation of distinctive classes in the North drove new cultural developments. Even among the wealthy elites, northern business families, who had mainly inherited their money, distanced themselves from the newly wealthy manufacturing leaders. Many of them were abolitionists for moral reasons, not merely strategic ones (though that certainly played a role). Regardless of how they had earned their money, however, the elites lived and socialized apart from members of the growing middle class. The middle class valued work, consumption, and education and dedicated their energies to maintaining or advancing their social status. The middle class largely opposed slavery on moral grounds. Much of the northern officer corps came from the middle classes, most of whom opposed slavery on moral and religious grounds. Wage workers were more fragmented. They formed their own society in industrial cities and mill villages, though lack of money and long working hours effectively prevented the working class from consuming the fruits of their labor, educating their children, or advancing up the economic ladder. Some felt the abolition of slavery would mean competition for jobs, but others fought willingly against the evil of slavery. I agree, elites are important, but they are not the be all and end all of the story. I guess I take a more Tolstoyan view of history (rather than the "great man" theory). While elites are important, the unstoppable ground swell of an idea whose time has come will have its way most of the time. The civil rights movement of the 1950s and 60s was not determined solely by the elites deciding it was in their best economic interest to support it. I do, however, appreciate the fact that elites on both sides played a crucial role, just not the only role.
"...The freedoms of what people could or couldn't do..."
Yeah, and that freedom was the right to own slaves. States rights is too vague of an explanation for the cause of the civil war.
Haley is a brahma and caste system is her belief
Imagine a president named “Nikki” 😂
I can 😜
She cant use het real one.
Yikes! Is a cue for Ron not to repeat Nikki's blunder.
Yeah, I thought it was ironic that "Yikes!" came from DeSantis's campaign when we all know he would probably have a problem answering that question too.
That ship has already sailed, with his slaves benefited by gaining skills comment
Ron DeSantis 2024
@@GettingOlderByTheDay71 That's right. I forgot about that.
@@deborahwhit118 🤣not gonna happen.
We should also be arguing about the Spanish-American war.
No we shouldn't.
Quite frankly, she doesn't want to alienate the GOP/MAGA voting base, so she has to.ignore racism. Sad, but true
That’s weird. She’s right. It wasn’t about slavery
💯 states' rights
@@y0k0z00na Hmm.. more like the Federal government versus the Confederate
Joey and corn pop were in the civil war . They were generals 😅
Another Monster.
Seventy five percent of southerners did NOT own slaves. It was about state rights and abolishing federal laws they didn’t support, including abolishing slavery. It was not just about slavery.
Banking and protection from other more organized large aggressive governments.