@@isaacbarron5794 bombers wouldn't have gotten off the ground yet, and the submarines would need to get to launch depth and prep their birds/silos. as for the silos, it's not just one silo that decides to launch. a majority of the keys of the whole squadron have to select launch. that being said, that general wouldn't have been able to send an EAM message, but there would also be about a dozen other ways to confirm/disprove the Russian strike that this simulation wouldn't have control over.
I realized. Especially any word from Norway and Iceland, or any millitary bases posted on Greenland since theyre some of the northern most territories of the alliance.
Except that 'the rest of NATO' doesn't have ballistic missile early warning capability. They said that the missile warning was confirmed by the sites at Thule and Fylingdales in the UK; that's as good as it gets and goodnight one and all. A scarily realistic sequence.
@@chriscarter5720 I was told other than the US, France and the UK has less than 300 of them. As far as I'm aware, the UK had over 500 back in the cold war.
This actually did happen in Russia when a computer told a Russian Officer the Americans had launched a few nukes at Russia. Per their protocol he was supposed to do what we just watched, and alert command to launch their missiles (Which they would have done if this officer alerted them, no questions asked) But looking at his computer, he hesitated and didn't alert command. "Why would the Americans only launch a few missiles knowing full well it was an act of nuclear war?" He spent the next several minutes debugging the issue and discovered the a single computer chip was failing and spamming random numbers out being launched by the Americans. This stupid little chip almost had every human on earth obliterated or melted alive slowly and painfully...then again humans were stupid enough to not only invent but keep things things active b/c we are idiots.
If you read the classic book Failsafe (hugely recommended), it was a resistor burning out on a console in the US control facility that triggered authorisation to one bomber group to attack Moscow.
Actually, even at that time, every human on earth wouldn't have been endangered. Indeed, most of the US wouldn't have been endangered, although much of Russia would've due to the much lower number of towns and cities. We'd have given a lethal to a nation pasting though, civilization would've been drastically altered and conditions would've been harsh for a few years. Harsh as in massive global famines, but not the old predictions of nuclear winter for centuries that previous poor modeling predicted. Today, it's much the same, albeit with a hell of a lot less deployable warheads. That all said, we would be a lot better off without these products of the insanity factory, save perhaps as asteroid contingency and no, not to hit an asteroid, to near miss and ablate off some of the surface to deflect it. Hollywood always gets that bit wrong.
The unsettling truth is this scene has actually happened more than once. We've narrowly avoided nuclear Armageddon probably half a dozen or more times due to computer errors, simulations. Never mind inter-country nuclear disasters adverted, just the US or Russia have came dangerously close to Nuclear accidents on there own country too. A US plane accidentally dropped a bomb equivalent to 4,000,000Tonnes of TNT on a town in the US due to a crash. The only thing that stopped that massive bomb from going off was a single fuse after the other 2 fail safes failed
It's probably not happening. To be truthful, don't be scared of all the chaos. When they sign the peace deal, that's when you might want to be afraid! Remember my words.
"Just watched this episode for the first time. Given the current state of the world this scared the crap out of me" Don't worry too much. Russia's ICBMs are all but useless now, and we have multiple layers of defense that can shoot ICBMs down before terminal phase
Of the bajillionty things that are wrong with this, oddly enough the missile launch procedure stood out to me most lol - they train to not know if it's a drill or not - so that they won't hesitate if/when the time comes. They will never know it's real when it's real until after the launch is underway.
So...the missile crew would know if it's a drill or not. I think that's a Hollywoodism that "missile crews don't know if it's a drill or not" was from WarGames and is perpetuated by the mystique of what missile crews do...but I assure you, the crews would know...plus with social media and how connected the world is, crews would have a lot of indicators which would tell them that "stuff" is about to go down.
IRL, we'd be using one of a hundred satellites to confirm the launches (which would be impossible to miss or track from orbit), hitting up our allies to ask if they had missiles flying overhead or anything on their own satellites, and we'd still be calling the Russians to ask "U good, bro?" We have safeguards beyond safeguards and real people to confirm these things are happening before anyone turns the key. This episode is loosely based on one (arguably two) incidents where the US and the USSR had close calls with false positives in their detection systems. Still scary as hell, but we've come a long way since the days where this might actually go down.
You have no idea what you're talking about... and you're not alone. Most of the world thinks this could never happened... but it HAS happened in '83 and multiple other times. We NEVER properly fixed the weaknesses in our satelite system and neither did the Russians and the simulation issues remain a problem. (Almost) All ICBM launches go over the North Pole not any NATO nation and there aren't enough space capable nations to do the double checking especially when the major nuclear powers have 5 MINUTES to order a launch or risk their silos being wiped out. Take it from somebody who has studied Cold War nuclear crises at an academic level and reviewed evidence from the U.S.S.R. and U.S.
@@teafx3: Frankly, only a childish moron would consider a few brief paragraphs about such a serious issue to be ‘TL:DR’. I know that you probably thought you were sounding funny, smart and quick witted, but to most adults you’ve just come across as immature and dumb.
I can appreciate that the generals said "fife" instead of "five" when reading back the President's code. Just a little bit of radio etiquette on display
Read about Able Archer in 1983. Fearful that the Able Archer 83 exercise was a cover for a NATO nuclear strike, the U.S.S.R. readied its own weapons for launch. We came close to WWIII.
We talk about the west having saved the world from nuclear attacks, but we ignore the brave Soviet officers who have done likewise as well - often at great personal cost. Vasili Arkhipov was one. In a Soviet submarine all three officers had to agree that they had grounds to launch their missiles. When his vessel was attacked in 1962 during the Cuban Missile Crisis, Arkhipov stopped his colleagues from launching. Stanislav Petrov was another. He saw on his computer in a missile monitoring bunker that a single missile was inbound from the United States one day in 1983. He knew that a first strike was likely to involve hundreds of missiles, and did not pass the warning on to his superiors. Given the U.S.S.R. was in a hair-trigger state of alert at the time, he very probably stopped massive retaliation happening.
Wasn't missiles during the Cuban missile crisis, it was a nuclear torpedo. Crazy time though! I was born a week after the Tzar Bomba test. I still literally have traces of the fallout from that era of atmospheric testing in my bones, as verified by a gamma camera. Thankfully, Tzar Bomba was the cleanest nuke ever detonated, because it was missing its final stage, which would've made it the dirtiest instead.
@@thecommunistdoggo1008 as a deployable weapon, it was useless, just another my dick's bigger bullshit game, since it couldn't get even 300 miles from the aircraft launch strip. But from a practical implementation standpoint, it was beyond successful. It literally was the cleanest nuclear device ever detonated. A fair amount of what was implemented was carried forward to more practical devices, as little is to be gained from dirtier bombs. And it gave employment to whoever painted the aircraft with the special paint required to keep it from melting from the heat of being way too close to the ludicrous thing. And it was quite interesting for the pilot, as his aircraft was very nearly slapped out of the sky by the shockwave. A shockwave so powerful that it kept the fireball from reaching the ground. A lot of accomplishments, most likely not intended, just as part of an intimidation tactic, as Russia actually had nothing much with which to reach the US at that time. And it did accelerate our ICBM program. Which started another dick measuring program, the space program. Thankfully, that didn't extend to absurdity after Carl Sagan's first project assigned was to figure out how to make a big show of nuking the moon and his calculations proved it'd be an embarrassing fizzle to anyone watching from Earth. Nukes tiny, moon big as the US and well, at that distance, it'd be a tiny pinprick of flash and no bang. Helping an era of a nuke for everything and everything should get a nuke finally close. It was literally like a five year old playing with daddy's loaded gun for far too long!
@@thecommunistdoggo1008 It wasn't a meme weapon though. It was tested back in those days when ICBMs were only starting to replace planes as a delivery system, and MIRVs were not a thing yet. Both sides relied heavily on airdropped nukes and were trying to maximize the damage, so it was natural to try to figure out just how much of a boom you can get from a single bomb.
I agree with most commenting to this video. So many things wrong but one I've not seen yet is the fact that the launch order would go to several hundred silos. So one guy being slow would not stop over 400 launches. Sorry to pile onto the gang that is dumping on this scene.
I believe the largest percentage of our deterrent is at sea. So our Ohio class boomers would have been ordered to launch first. But the truth is, NO ONE here knows with any certainty how such a scenario would play out. Let's just hope it never happens.
Interesting fact. It did happened once in real life. But a Russian officer denied to be responsable to start the WWIII. He had got all the confirmations of a real attack from US soil. He decided to wait the attack to see what would happen, even with restrict orders from the Kremlin to retaliate as soon as the enemy attack is confirmed. Because of him, we are now able to talk to each other on the TH-cam. Thanks Mr Stanislav Yevgrafovich Petrov
He does his job. There was no sign of nuke attack before (politics, military etc…). US won’t do a first strike without any reason. System was unrealiable and had few false alerte before this incident. The only difference was it was during the Able Archer exercice.
I was stationed at Loring AFB, Maine in the 1980s. It had the reputation as being the location in the US that would have gotten hit first if the Soviet Union launched ICBMs.
Loring AFB was one of the 3 bases called to confirm if the nuclear strikes in the 1983 movie "Wargames" were true. (Grand Forks and Elemdorf were the others.) What made that memorable, was the line from NORAD to Loring was answered by an excitable "Airman Doherty" because the Senior Controller had stepped out, presumably to use the restroom.
From one SAC warrior to another, it was a SAC base--so absolutely it would have been on the big list of targets along with the others on the northern tier of the US and Canada.
Flyingdales over the horizon radar would not simultaneously confirm launches - the initial warnings come from heat signatures detected via satellite, with radar tracks coming shortly after.
Even if we were to wait for radar tracking. Fylingdales while part of the US space surveillance network, it is done through intelligence sharing, it is not operated by the USSF, it remains under exclusive RAF control. So simulation or not, this base would not have been affected, and would be telling a different story.
Yeah this scenario suggests that nobody thought to check with Thule or Fylingdales to see if their PAVE PAWS arrays were really lighting up in the first place. It’s pretty stupid.
On September 26, 1983, the sun, satellite, and American missile fields aligned in a way that maximized sunlight reflected from high-altitude clouds. Thus, the Soviet early-warning system thought it detected five incoming missiles and sounded the alarm. Crazy- huh?
They saw the "anomaly" on what was their equivalent to our DMSP satellites. Luckily, human intervention saved the day. The NATO Able Archer exercise did not help with tensions.@@MuzzaHukka
@@michaelwthalmanHuman intervention didn't save anything. These systems don't launch nukes automatically. False alarms of space based early warning systems were a well known issue. Nobody relied solely on them to take decisions.
The Americans here began reacting as soon as they had received information that nuclear rockets were being placed in position to be launched but even if they had already taken off, it would still take 5 to 10 minutes for the first rockets to start hitting the US, so it is highly likely that the response would have been launched in the time that it takes for you to start and finish this video and that the US rockets would be in the lower atmosphere by the time the first Russian rockets hit American soil, meaning that the place that the rockets were launched from (US launch sites) might well be destroyed but the rockets that just came out of that hole in the ground would be too far away from the launch pad for the shock blast to throw them off their trajectory
Я уверен, что при любых взаимоотношениях наши президенты установили ряд лиц, которые всегда в контакте друг с другом, имеющие очень высокое доверие, дабы предотвратить конец мира. Нет и не будет такой причины, чтобы не дать будущего нашим детям. Мир вам и пожелание всего хорошего из России.
😂 Хыхы, насмешил... Такого же рода лиц которые сначала всему миру рассказывали что не будут вторгаться в Украину а потом начали "СВО"? Я больше верю в то что инопланетяне, со своими НЛО которые уже не раз то активировали то дезактивированные ядерные ракеты и часто пролетали над АЭС, смогут предотвратить ядерную войну чем в то что есть совестные люди которые друг друга дадут знать если захотят начать играть в ядерный футбол
Other minute man launch control centers would also have to turn their keys to verify the launch order. This is the final check to make sure there are no rouge or bad actors that try and launch the weapons.
Neither Russia nor the US have 2000 warheads deployed on strategic platforms. Both met the terms of New START ahead of schedule and even went beyond it. Though its technically expired, theres no indication that Russia or the US have substantively changed deployments.
And what little remains launch capable isn't enough to destroy an entire population, but would be enough to end any meaningful importance on the global stage and likely cause some global famines for a few years. Basically, two idiots would be effectively self-removed from the global table, the world would have a moderate population hit, then everyone else would gradually return to normal with global power balances massively changed. As neither idiot side are actually idiots, that's beyond unlikely, as the status quo is what both desire.
There is a real story like this, but in reality, it happened on the Soviet side. It is known as "1983 Soviet nuclear false alarm incident" and Stanislav Petrov was the greatest world hero in history.
Wouldn't that be correct for anyone with US military training (or training from any NATO force)? Don't they say niner so and not to be confused with the German "nein" ("no").
There were a number of times when the URSS or the USA had detection errors and began to prepare for a nuclear attack. All our nuclear detection and launch systems are incredible fragile and complex.
A friend once told me years ago that if anyone knew how many times we almost blew up the planet in the 60s because of flights of birds and technical errors being seen as missile launches, we would all die of cardiac failure. We came way too close, way too many times.
Every books i read about the nuke doctrine said the biggest risk is not to use it on purpose, but to launch a second strike without a real first strike detected.
I think it works that if one LCC does not launch be it dereliction of duty or technical causes of failure. One or both of the other LCC can launch once codes are validated
Considering the current state of affairs I’d like to say I saw this title and before I saw how old it was or the full title, I definitely pissed myself a little.
Im still of the opinion that todays politicians could do with a good dose of this fear. It was the realisation and the excellent work of many people that prevented the unthinkable on many occasions.
that is not even true. Maybe for ships. These missiles are slow to move no point in blowing it open for debris. Besides there are no debris that is as wide as the hole
@@Twister6424 internet feeds get chopped on launch alert. Just as we chop the feeds if there has been a death on a base, so that the families can be informed properly, rather than via antisocial media. I know that firsthand, as I was the one cutting those links from my desk.
@@spvillano Again, if it were a "bolt from the blue", like the way we feared the USSR would attack in the 80s, then sure I could see that. But if there's something leading up to hostilities even days in advance, we'll see it happening on social media well before crews go down to pull alert. I'm curious, what internet feeds would be chopped from a death on base?
You guys all get it's a tv show right? I mean reality is one thing but when did we all become experts and critics about everything? Oh wait when the Internet went online.... Gotcha... 😂
Now, satellites will detect a heat signature from any launched missile almost as soon as it leaves the silo. This verification is required as part of the launch protocol. This type of false launch scenario cannot happen today.
The one in Wargames was fake, but it roughly matches the capsule layout at the time, before the digital ("REACT") consoles were installed in the '90s. That's the layout you'll see in the museums at deactivated Peacekeeper/Minuteman sites (Q-01 in WY, D-01 in SD, O-00 in ND). The one depicted in this video is an impressive recreation of the modern-day REACT setup (they even got some of the details on the Voice Control Panel right!) but it's still not a real capsule. (Extra file cabinet, other file cabinet's in the wrong place, no bathroom next to the entrance, the ceiling isn't a hodgepodge of Velcro panels...))
It's also expected that the silos would be targets of the incoming missiles. They're far enough underground that they probably wouldn't get vaporized but the blasts would cause earthquake-like shaking.
What the other guy said about incoming warheads. Minuteman silos are not located near the launch control, they're dispersed miles away from each other.
The scariest thing is that once those missiles are launched, that’s it, game over. There is no disarming them, or calling them back. Once the decision has been made, it’s final.
Yup, no more computer screens or fancy leather chairs or paper files. Because no more factories, banks or workers. So what they had in their hands and on their bodies was.the last factory made stuff to be produced for long while. Scary as hell. Like teenagers worry about climate stuff now, I remember worrying about nuclear war. My city was a key port to be targeted. Sort of like a shadow in your mind.
The Space Force have satellites in orbit looking for ICBM/cruise missile launches, in reality they would not have fired with visual confirmation from space assets.
Aside from what's been made public over the years, you have to wonder how many near Armageddon scenarios like this actually happened...on both sides...but that make it unclassified so we'd all know would be to much to handle politically.
When they were showing why not? There are no mountains in the background of North Dakota. I have driven by the Air Force base numerous times and clearly. There are no mountains for a few 1000 miles away at the Rocky mountains in Montana.
There would have been no turning back because MAD would have been carried out as only one silo didn't launch however our submarines other silos and bombers would have and that would be it.
It has happened for real, maybe not quite that close with keyturn but there have been false alarms including one like this with simulation in the computer they referenced in this scene/episode after the abort. Then there was that time soviet satellite saw sun reflecting from clouds and thought it was missile launch and one officer keeping his cool stop him from sending word down the chain towards counter launch he might not have been able to stop after finding out the truth. I believe either usa or ussr brought online an over the horizon radar once that gave out an alert after detecting the moon. Then there are the cases where they / at least usa have dropped live bombs on their own territory in bomber accidents.
@@isaacbarron5794submarines would be slower to respons getting to launch debth etc. so if abort message reached someone in time it would be subs and planes ICBMs are the fastest to go as far as I know so if you stop those in time you most likely did stop all in time assuming no communications failures.
@@isaacbarron5794no, what would have happened is they would have confirmed the launch tracking with other NATO tracking stations and seen it wasn’t real. So nothing Weill have happened
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And the world was saved by the airman that missed the key turn in under a millisecond
That sounds about right
@@williamblake8560 Fortunately there are 2 guys on the other side of the wall who also need to turn their keys. Still scary.
@@cowsagainstcapitalism347 oh wow. Didn't know that.
@Theresa Robinson however that's just one silo what about our bombers submarines and other silos that didn't miss their key turn
@@isaacbarron5794 bombers wouldn't have gotten off the ground yet, and the submarines would need to get to launch depth and prep their birds/silos.
as for the silos, it's not just one silo that decides to launch. a majority of the keys of the whole squadron have to select launch.
that being said, that general wouldn't have been able to send an EAM message, but there would also be about a dozen other ways to confirm/disprove the Russian strike that this simulation wouldn't have control over.
In reality, they would have been calling up the rest of NATO to see if they could confirm the launches.
In reality they would be looking at the satellites to confirm among many ways. this was made up TV drama, not how it actually works.
I realized. Especially any word from Norway and Iceland, or any millitary bases posted on Greenland since theyre some of the northern most territories of the alliance.
You are right, that's the main function of military alliance like NATO
Except that 'the rest of NATO' doesn't have ballistic missile early warning capability. They said that the missile warning was confirmed by the sites at Thule and Fylingdales in the UK; that's as good as it gets and goodnight one and all. A scarily realistic sequence.
@@chriscarter5720 I was told other than the US, France and the UK has less than 300 of them. As far as I'm aware, the UK had over 500 back in the cold war.
This actually did happen in Russia when a computer told a Russian Officer the Americans had launched a few nukes at Russia. Per their protocol he was supposed to do what we just watched, and alert command to launch their missiles (Which they would have done if this officer alerted them, no questions asked)
But looking at his computer, he hesitated and didn't alert command. "Why would the Americans only launch a few missiles knowing full well it was an act of nuclear war?" He spent the next several minutes debugging the issue and discovered the a single computer chip was failing and spamming random numbers out being launched by the Americans.
This stupid little chip almost had every human on earth obliterated or melted alive slowly and painfully...then again humans were stupid enough to not only invent but keep things things active b/c we are idiots.
His name was Stanislav Petrov.
He should have stuck to playing the piano @@darrenberquist1000
If you read the classic book Failsafe (hugely recommended), it was a resistor burning out on a console in the US control facility that triggered authorisation to one bomber group to attack Moscow.
There was also a case in the 70s, I think . I believe Sweden launched a satellite without informing the USSR. Hazy on the details.
Actually, even at that time, every human on earth wouldn't have been endangered. Indeed, most of the US wouldn't have been endangered, although much of Russia would've due to the much lower number of towns and cities.
We'd have given a lethal to a nation pasting though, civilization would've been drastically altered and conditions would've been harsh for a few years. Harsh as in massive global famines, but not the old predictions of nuclear winter for centuries that previous poor modeling predicted.
Today, it's much the same, albeit with a hell of a lot less deployable warheads.
That all said, we would be a lot better off without these products of the insanity factory, save perhaps as asteroid contingency and no, not to hit an asteroid, to near miss and ablate off some of the surface to deflect it. Hollywood always gets that bit wrong.
something like this has happened several times in real life, but those keyboards are sweet, just the right resistance.
In Soviet Union, you resist keyboard.
Those old missile silos occasionally go up for sale. Strong chance you could get a sweet keyboard with one.
@@davidwest8905 might have some old Mechanical IBM Model M's
Actually keyboard resist you@@delacaravanio
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The unsettling truth is this scene has actually happened more than once. We've narrowly avoided nuclear Armageddon probably half a dozen or more times due to computer errors, simulations.
Never mind inter-country nuclear disasters adverted, just the US or Russia have came dangerously close to Nuclear accidents on there own country too. A US plane accidentally dropped a bomb equivalent to 4,000,000Tonnes of TNT on a town in the US due to a crash. The only thing that stopped that massive bomb from going off was a single fuse after the other 2 fail safes failed
I never thought I'd ever hear fail-safe failed.
This is notably complete horse shit.
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@@HD-cx6ip To be fair nukes aren't supposed to be accidently dropped, or involved In a crash
Goldsboro NC back in the 60s
Just watched this episode for the first time. Given the current state of the world this scared the crap out of me
How about now 8 months later 😅😅😅
Hey, we’re still here!
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It's probably not happening. To be truthful, don't be scared of all the chaos. When they sign the peace deal, that's when you might want to be afraid! Remember my words.
"Just watched this episode for the first time. Given the current state of the world this scared the crap out of me"
Don't worry too much. Russia's ICBMs are all but useless now, and we have multiple layers of defense that can shoot ICBMs down before terminal phase
Of the bajillionty things that are wrong with this, oddly enough the missile launch procedure stood out to me most lol - they train to not know if it's a drill or not - so that they won't hesitate if/when the time comes. They will never know it's real when it's real until after the launch is underway.
Wouldn't they know it's real or not based on the silo doors?
Thought the same thing
yes you are 100% correct.
So...the missile crew would know if it's a drill or not. I think that's a Hollywoodism that "missile crews don't know if it's a drill or not" was from WarGames and is perpetuated by the mystique of what missile crews do...but I assure you, the crews would know...plus with social media and how connected the world is, crews would have a lot of indicators which would tell them that "stuff" is about to go down.
@@NeoRipshaft they wouldn't open the silo door in a drill. They know.
IRL, we'd be using one of a hundred satellites to confirm the launches (which would be impossible to miss or track from orbit), hitting up our allies to ask if they had missiles flying overhead or anything on their own satellites, and we'd still be calling the Russians to ask "U good, bro?"
We have safeguards beyond safeguards and real people to confirm these things are happening before anyone turns the key.
This episode is loosely based on one (arguably two) incidents where the US and the USSR had close calls with false positives in their detection systems. Still scary as hell, but we've come a long way since the days where this might actually go down.
You have no idea what you're talking about... and you're not alone. Most of the world thinks this could never happened... but it HAS happened in '83 and multiple other times. We NEVER properly fixed the weaknesses in our satelite system and neither did the Russians and the simulation issues remain a problem. (Almost) All ICBM launches go over the North Pole not any NATO nation and there aren't enough space capable nations to do the double checking especially when the major nuclear powers have 5 MINUTES to order a launch or risk their silos being wiped out.
Take it from somebody who has studied Cold War nuclear crises at an academic level and reviewed evidence from the U.S.S.R. and U.S.
@@sagesigman8269 I'm not disagreeing about that. Please read my whole comment before replying
@@SpartanSniper3 TL:DR
@@teafx3 but it was apparently long enough to bother you enough to make a comment about it, so it's basically a success to me. 💪
@@teafx3: Frankly, only a childish moron would consider a few brief paragraphs about such a serious issue to be ‘TL:DR’.
I know that you probably thought you were sounding funny, smart and quick witted, but to most adults you’ve just come across as immature and dumb.
I can appreciate that the generals said "fife" instead of "five" when reading back the President's code. Just a little bit of radio etiquette on display
Read about Able Archer in 1983. Fearful that the Able Archer 83 exercise was a cover for a NATO nuclear strike, the U.S.S.R. readied its own weapons for launch. We came close to WWIII.
We talk about the west having saved the world from nuclear attacks, but we ignore the brave Soviet officers who have done likewise as well - often at great personal cost.
Vasili Arkhipov was one. In a Soviet submarine all three officers had to agree that they had grounds to launch their missiles. When his vessel was attacked in 1962 during the Cuban Missile Crisis, Arkhipov stopped his colleagues from launching.
Stanislav Petrov was another. He saw on his computer in a missile monitoring bunker that a single missile was inbound from the United States one day in 1983. He knew that a first strike was likely to involve hundreds of missiles, and did not pass the warning on to his superiors. Given the U.S.S.R. was in a hair-trigger state of alert at the time, he very probably stopped massive retaliation happening.
Wasn't missiles during the Cuban missile crisis, it was a nuclear torpedo.
Crazy time though! I was born a week after the Tzar Bomba test. I still literally have traces of the fallout from that era of atmospheric testing in my bones, as verified by a gamma camera. Thankfully, Tzar Bomba was the cleanest nuke ever detonated, because it was missing its final stage, which would've made it the dirtiest instead.
@@spvillano Tsar Bomba was a fricking joke, a meme weapon utterly worthless out side of propaganda
@@thecommunistdoggo1008 as a deployable weapon, it was useless, just another my dick's bigger bullshit game, since it couldn't get even 300 miles from the aircraft launch strip.
But from a practical implementation standpoint, it was beyond successful. It literally was the cleanest nuclear device ever detonated. A fair amount of what was implemented was carried forward to more practical devices, as little is to be gained from dirtier bombs.
And it gave employment to whoever painted the aircraft with the special paint required to keep it from melting from the heat of being way too close to the ludicrous thing.
And it was quite interesting for the pilot, as his aircraft was very nearly slapped out of the sky by the shockwave. A shockwave so powerful that it kept the fireball from reaching the ground.
A lot of accomplishments, most likely not intended, just as part of an intimidation tactic, as Russia actually had nothing much with which to reach the US at that time.
And it did accelerate our ICBM program.
Which started another dick measuring program, the space program. Thankfully, that didn't extend to absurdity after Carl Sagan's first project assigned was to figure out how to make a big show of nuking the moon and his calculations proved it'd be an embarrassing fizzle to anyone watching from Earth. Nukes tiny, moon big as the US and well, at that distance, it'd be a tiny pinprick of flash and no bang.
Helping an era of a nuke for everything and everything should get a nuke finally close.
It was literally like a five year old playing with daddy's loaded gun for far too long!
@@thecommunistdoggo1008 It wasn't a meme weapon though. It was tested back in those days when ICBMs were only starting to replace planes as a delivery system, and MIRVs were not a thing yet. Both sides relied heavily on airdropped nukes and were trying to maximize the damage, so it was natural to try to figure out just how much of a boom you can get from a single bomb.
This is loosely based on that. It's a show about the US government of course they're going to transplant it to the US
I agree with most commenting to this video. So many things wrong but one I've not seen yet is the fact that the launch order would go to several hundred silos. So one guy being slow would not stop over 400 launches. Sorry to pile onto the gang that is dumping on this scene.
I believe the largest percentage of our deterrent is at sea. So our Ohio class boomers would have been ordered to launch first. But the truth is, NO ONE here knows with any certainty how such a scenario would play out. Let's just hope it never happens.
Flashbacks to "TURN YOUR KEY SIR."
RIP Leo McGarry
Which I watched in the Summer of 1983....just before reporting to Vandenberg for Minuteman Initial Qualification Training. Heady days...
Wargames lol
@paulwartenberg8479
Why? Did he shoot him? I always thought he survived.
@@Kaede-Sasaki He did. It was a test.
Interesting fact. It did happened once in real life. But a Russian officer denied to be responsable to start the WWIII. He had got all the confirmations of a real attack from US soil.
He decided to wait the attack to see what would happen, even with restrict orders from the Kremlin to retaliate as soon as the enemy attack is confirmed.
Because of him, we are now able to talk to each other on the TH-cam.
Thanks Mr Stanislav Yevgrafovich Petrov
He does his job.
There was no sign of nuke attack before (politics, military etc…). US won’t do a first strike without any reason.
System was unrealiable and had few false alerte before this incident.
The only difference was it was during the Able Archer exercice.
I was stationed at Loring AFB, Maine in the 1980s. It had the reputation as being the location in the US that would have gotten hit first if the Soviet Union launched ICBMs.
Loring AFB was one of the 3 bases called to confirm if the nuclear strikes in the 1983 movie "Wargames" were true. (Grand Forks and Elemdorf were the others.) What made that memorable, was the line from NORAD to Loring was answered by an excitable "Airman Doherty" because the Senior Controller had stepped out, presumably to use the restroom.
From one SAC warrior to another, it was a SAC base--so absolutely it would have been on the big list of targets along with the others on the northern tier of the US and Canada.
@Georgi_Slavov What old man? What tiny small numbers?
@Georgi_Slavov How is that related to my comment?
@Georgi_Slavov I asked a reasonable question. You should answer it.
Flyingdales over the horizon radar would not simultaneously confirm launches - the initial warnings come from heat signatures detected via satellite, with radar tracks coming shortly after.
Even if we were to wait for radar tracking. Fylingdales while part of the US space surveillance network, it is done through intelligence sharing, it is not operated by the USSF, it remains under exclusive RAF control. So simulation or not, this base would not have been affected, and would be telling a different story.
Flyingdales it’s Fylingdales 😂😂😂😂
Man, that's one hell of a story he'll never get to mention a word of for his entire life 😂
Coast to coast top to bottom 😅 lol you know there is a lot when say that
I was expecting a War Games style “PUT YOUR HAND ON THE KEY SIR!!!” conclusion
SBIRS would have immediately detected this was a false alarm
A whole lot of things would have confirmed that this was a false alarm. This is Hollywood's interpretation based on stuff from the 80s.
Agreed so much more advanced. This is more likely to happen on the Russian considering how inferior their detection capabilities are.
Yeah this scenario suggests that nobody thought to check with Thule or Fylingdales to see if their PAVE PAWS arrays were really lighting up in the first place. It’s pretty stupid.
THE WHALE NUKES HAVE BEEN LAUNCHED SIR
My god.... deploy the laser dolphins
On September 26, 1983, the sun, satellite, and American missile fields aligned in a way that maximized sunlight reflected from high-altitude clouds. Thus, the Soviet early-warning system thought it detected five incoming missiles and sounded the alarm. Crazy- huh?
Why have I never felt or seen a reflection of the sun against a satellite here on earth but the Soviets used that to determine incoming nukes?
They saw the "anomaly" on what was their equivalent to our DMSP satellites. Luckily, human intervention saved the day. The NATO Able Archer exercise did not help with tensions.@@MuzzaHukka
Very true. They failed in programming the sun into the system
@@michaelwthalmanHuman intervention didn't save anything. These systems don't launch nukes automatically. False alarms of space based early warning systems were a well known issue. Nobody relied solely on them to take decisions.
"I agree" lol he had a lot to memorize this movie lol
*The amount of time it took everyone to get ready we’d be all dead😂*
Your aware a nuclear war is a mutually assured destruction right?
The Americans here began reacting as soon as they had received information that nuclear rockets were being placed in position to be launched but even if they had already taken off, it would still take 5 to 10 minutes for the first rockets to start hitting the US, so it is highly likely that the response would have been launched in the time that it takes for you to start and finish this video and that the US rockets would be in the lower atmosphere by the time the first Russian rockets hit American soil, meaning that the place that the rockets were launched from (US launch sites) might well be destroyed but the rockets that just came out of that hole in the ground would be too far away from the launch pad for the shock blast to throw them off their trajectory
@@MuzzaHukka actually 27 minutes buy yeah
On gawd lol
Я уверен, что при любых взаимоотношениях наши президенты установили ряд лиц, которые всегда в контакте друг с другом, имеющие очень высокое доверие, дабы предотвратить конец мира. Нет и не будет такой причины, чтобы не дать будущего нашим детям.
Мир вам и пожелание всего хорошего из России.
Спасибо из Америки
😂 Хыхы, насмешил... Такого же рода лиц которые сначала всему миру рассказывали что не будут вторгаться в Украину а потом начали "СВО"? Я больше верю в то что инопланетяне, со своими НЛО которые уже не раз то активировали то дезактивированные ядерные ракеты и часто пролетали над АЭС, смогут предотвратить ядерную войну чем в то что есть совестные люди которые друг друга дадут знать если захотят начать играть в ядерный футбол
@@MuzzaHukka мы с Вами на ты?
В истории много примеров работы дипломатии в самых сложных ситуациях. Трамп победил на выборах , война заканчивается
This is one time the Ghostbusters could not salvage any part of it. Turn your key !!😮
Other minute man launch control centers would also have to turn their keys to verify the launch order. This is the final check to make sure there are no rouge or bad actors that try and launch the weapons.
Neither Russia nor the US have 2000 warheads deployed on strategic platforms. Both met the terms of New START ahead of schedule and even went beyond it. Though its technically expired, theres no indication that Russia or the US have substantively changed deployments.
And what little remains launch capable isn't enough to destroy an entire population, but would be enough to end any meaningful importance on the global stage and likely cause some global famines for a few years.
Basically, two idiots would be effectively self-removed from the global table, the world would have a moderate population hit, then everyone else would gradually return to normal with global power balances massively changed.
As neither idiot side are actually idiots, that's beyond unlikely, as the status quo is what both desire.
Imagine Russians suddenly appear on screen going "It's not us! Stop!"
Maybe next time ask Stanislav Petrov some advice...
“…Two-Fife-Eight…” from two different actors; that is one hell of a technical advisor.
That constant beeping at the launch is what sent chill down my spine. How close we've been to a nuclear catastrophe is just mind boggling.
Imagine being some guy in a truck, driving down the road, and seeing that missile cover open.
I can’t belevie Lundy was the Nuclear Missile Butcher
After careful consideration, I have come to the conclusion that your computer system sucks.
😂
I have never seen this show but if this is what it’s like all the time I need to start. I don’t think I was breathing that whole time
Madame Secretary was a very good show, but this was an atypically apocalyptic moment.
Minutes in and no SLBMs landing from enemy subs you have to question what youre missing
SLBM'S come later
@@theschmedaparadox1018 SLBMS come first in a hail mary move to take out your missiles on the ground
Plus hypersonic missiles from subs...much faster
Skynet be like : Damn, can't fool the humans
There is a real story like this, but in reality, it happened on the Soviet side. It is known as "1983 Soviet nuclear false alarm incident" and Stanislav Petrov was the greatest world hero in history.
Able Archer also made the Soviets freak out as did Reagan's off hand joke while testing a microphone.
well you ain't constipated no more!
I like how the prez threw a "niner" in there but said all the other numbers normally.
Wouldn't that be correct for anyone with US military training (or training from any NATO force)? Don't they say niner so and not to be confused with the German "nein" ("no").
@@DamienMcGuinnessKiwi I believe that is correct.
There were a number of times when the URSS or the USA had detection errors and began to prepare for a nuclear attack.
All our nuclear detection and launch systems are incredible fragile and complex.
Most of our missile launch capabilities haven’t been improved since the 1960s.
Edge of your seat stuff right there
Reminds me of that scene in WarGames where one guy refused to turn his key and the other pointed a revolver at him
Only unrealistic part is the people in stratcom casually doing their job while the alarms are blaring that the world about to end.
A friend once told me years ago that if anyone knew how many times we almost blew up the planet in the 60s because of flights of birds and technical errors being seen as missile launches, we would all die of cardiac failure. We came way too close, way too many times.
Every books i read about the nuke doctrine said the biggest risk is not to use it on purpose, but to launch a second strike without a real first strike detected.
This scared the fuck out of me just now given what’s going on in Russia and Ukraine
I live 165 miles north in Canada to Minot Airforce Base USA. I am assuming nuclear fallout would be east- south east of me
I loved just outside of Barksdale AFB, now in Pennsylvania in an area literally ringed with military depots, pretty much live on ground zero.
Anyone know the soundtrack name in this scene?
I think it works that if one LCC does not launch be it dereliction of duty or technical causes of failure. One or both of the other LCC can launch once codes are validated
We would've also been scrambling our entire strategic bomber fleet, which I'm sure the Russians would've been seeing.
We haven't had bombers on hard alert since 1991.
@@danelder6846not in the air on a rotation. But they are on alert at their bases.
@@SUBENI No, they are not. The bomber alert force stood down in 1991. There have been no bombers on hard alert for over 30 years.
@@SUBENI That's no longer true and hasn't been since the early 90s.
Considering the current state of affairs I’d like to say I saw this title and before I saw how old it was or the full title, I definitely pissed myself a little.
lol "92nd missile wing"
Scarey of what could be...hopefully we never use these weapons because there will be no winners.
Small thing, but I like how they pronounced the numerals militarily.
In the real world there is 3 seconds and the stations are on opposite sides of the room to prevent attempted rogue lanches.
Im still of the opinion that todays politicians could do with a good dose of this fear. It was the realisation and the excellent work of many people that prevented the unthinkable on many occasions.
A little in accuracy the sole doesn’t slowly open it blows open in case of debris or damage.
What about a little out accuracy?
What sole? The sole of your shoe?
that is not even true. Maybe for ships. These missiles are slow to move no point in blowing it open for debris. Besides there are no debris that is as wide as the hole
It definitely does blow open. We were told that in a real launch, it would likely go off the end of the rails and through the fence.
We may never know how many times a scenario similar to this one occurred in any of the nuclear powers.
Maybe. But we know of at least three.
@@Grubnar Cuba crisis submarine, The satallite incident and the sounding rocket incident
@@Grubnar Many Thanks! Yup, I was going to say that we have _lower_ bounds on how many times we've gotten close to WWIII by accident...
This is honest depiction and unbiased analysis.
I disagree. This was more possible in the 80s...but not as likely anymore, especially with that thing called social media.
@@Twister6424 internet feeds get chopped on launch alert. Just as we chop the feeds if there has been a death on a base, so that the families can be informed properly, rather than via antisocial media. I know that firsthand, as I was the one cutting those links from my desk.
@@spvillano Again, if it were a "bolt from the blue", like the way we feared the USSR would attack in the 80s, then sure I could see that. But if there's something leading up to hostilities even days in advance, we'll see it happening on social media well before crews go down to pull alert.
I'm curious, what internet feeds would be chopped from a death on base?
You guys all get it's a tv show right? I mean reality is one thing but when did we all become experts and critics about everything? Oh wait when the Internet went online.... Gotcha... 😂
And that’s why we do not need AI integrated into our military systems or are strategic military systems
there is no abort/EAM abort option, when the crew has the EAM its over. They will execute the full sequence.
Now, satellites will detect a heat signature from any launched missile almost as soon as it leaves the silo. This verification is required as part of the launch protocol. This type of false launch scenario cannot happen today.
Once again Americans are the most moral in the world and the most peaceful people.
Well, they are not perfect, but seem better than their rivals for sure
Why do they launch officers put on seatbelts? Does the missile launching cause huge shakes and vibrations?
Блин, я напрягся))))) Посмотрел серию.....сильно, реально сильно
Everyone talking about inaccurate a movie with a fictional plot is XD
A hypersonic missile takes 7 minutes to reach how on earth will they do all this cinematic in that time
2:53 This series went real for that ICBM Centre. It is exactly a real one. That one in Wargames movie was old or fake.
The one in Wargames was fake, but it roughly matches the capsule layout at the time, before the digital ("REACT") consoles were installed in the '90s. That's the layout you'll see in the museums at deactivated Peacekeeper/Minuteman sites (Q-01 in WY, D-01 in SD, O-00 in ND).
The one depicted in this video is an impressive recreation of the modern-day REACT setup (they even got some of the details on the Voice Control Panel right!) but it's still not a real capsule. (Extra file cabinet, other file cabinet's in the wrong place, no bathroom next to the entrance, the ceiling isn't a hodgepodge of Velcro panels...))
Wait, why are the silos strapping in like pilots? They’re underground…
The vibrations from the launching ICBM engines would significantly shake the silo command center. Would cause injury if they aren't strapped in.
It's also expected that the silos would be targets of the incoming missiles. They're far enough underground that they probably wouldn't get vaporized but the blasts would cause earthquake-like shaking.
What the other guy said about incoming warheads.
Minuteman silos are not located near the launch control, they're dispersed miles away from each other.
They wouldn't reuse a challenge/response combination that's already been used.
Brought to u by Biden / Harris.
No belts ? No drive missiles like Chill Wills did. He didn't have a saddle either
All's calm on the Western Front of the TV. Eastern front ain't nowhere calm. 😮
That was 1 of thousands of silos. In this example, most of them would have launched.
What? No pissing on a spark plug? 😂
General Jack Beringer was not on shift.
The scariest thing is that once those missiles are launched, that’s it, game over. There is no disarming them, or calling them back. Once the decision has been made, it’s final.
It has to be that way. If there was a way to disarm them in flight, it might get leaked to the opponent nation and make the deterrent useless.
Yup, no more computer screens or fancy leather chairs or paper files. Because no more factories, banks or workers. So what they had in their hands and on their bodies was.the last factory made stuff to be produced for long while. Scary as hell. Like teenagers worry about climate stuff now, I remember worrying about nuclear war. My city was a key port to be targeted. Sort of like a shadow in your mind.
The Space Force have satellites in orbit looking for ICBM/cruise missile launches, in reality they would not have fired with visual confirmation from space assets.
If Flyingdales confirmed in the UK then the UK and French missiles would have been launched as their warning time from launch to impact is 4 minutes.
The actual Minuteman silo hatches don't move that slow. in reality, they go at breakneck speed the moment those missiles light up their engines.
If I remember correctly, the hatch is actually blown sideways with explosives into a mount of earth and sand. ☹
The unrealistic part of this scene is the Russian ICBM having a successful launch...
Only thing inbound is a couple hundred bot comments...
The war notwithstanding, Russia has rocketry down pretty good though from the space race to present. Hell, the US still relies on them today.
And the backwards USA flag on the left shoulder. Usually that appears on the right side with the canton leading and NOT trailing.
Want to find out?
Realy, they haw beter track record than US, UK esp...
If the public only knew, how many times we came close to nuclear war.
Crazy how robotic the launch sequences are
In reality the NATO exercise Able Archer back in the 80s was the closest yet to the button being pushed...
Aside from what's been made public over the years, you have to wonder how many near Armageddon scenarios like this actually happened...on both sides...but that make it unclassified so we'd all know would be to much to handle politically.
пока Земля разделена государствами, человечество и сама жизнь будет находится на волоске от самоуничтожения
When they were showing why not? There are no mountains in the background of North Dakota. I have driven by the Air Force base numerous times and clearly. There are no mountains for a few 1000 miles away at the Rocky mountains in Montana.
This'll happen if our nations are not more diligent, vigilant and smart about decisions.
All we have is us.
I’ve never seen this show…. what was the backdrop to this ? Was there a crisis occurring? How’d the general know it was a simulation?
What season is this from please
Did anybody have to answer to the Coca-Cola Company?
Hey, if Group Captain Mandrake was willing to answer to the Coca-Cola Company...then it must have been a dire situation!
@@Twister6424 but nobody wanted to answer to the Bell company!
That's positively guano...
@@jimwalshonline9346 Yes it was...
Name of the movie?
I wonder what would happen if this is to happen for REAL??
There would have been no turning back because MAD would have been carried out as only one silo didn't launch however our submarines other silos and bombers would have and that would be it.
It has happened for real, maybe not quite that close with keyturn but there have been false alarms including one like this with simulation in the computer they referenced in this scene/episode after the abort.
Then there was that time soviet satellite saw sun reflecting from clouds and thought it was missile launch and one officer keeping his cool stop him from sending word down the chain towards counter launch he might not have been able to stop after finding out the truth.
I believe either usa or ussr brought online an over the horizon radar once that gave out an alert after detecting the moon.
Then there are the cases where they / at least usa have dropped live bombs on their own territory in bomber accidents.
@@isaacbarron5794submarines would be slower to respons getting to launch debth etc. so if abort message reached someone in time it would be subs and planes ICBMs are the fastest to go as far as I know so if you stop those in time you most likely did stop all in time assuming no communications failures.
This very same thing nearly happened, in 1979!
@@isaacbarron5794no, what would have happened is they would have confirmed the launch tracking with other NATO tracking stations and seen it wasn’t real. So nothing Weill have happened
Logging into my ebay account is a slightly longer process but not by much.
now i’ll have to watch the damn show
Don't we have satellites that confirm a launch? Seems really odd to trust a screen being ran by a computer.
"Mainland US coast to coast top to bottom."😅
Wonder why they needed seat belts to launch a missile