CNC Machining a steel part with TPC and HPC tools | Hermle C400 | trochoidal
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ค. 2024
- Just Machining - 08
In this video I will show you the CNC machining process of a steel part including iMachinig Jobs (trochoidal), HPC drills and end mills, and a nice parting off technique.
The part will completely done in one setup. The last surfaces will be sand papered.
-- Technical details --
material - 1.7225 - 42CrMo4 QT
machine - Hermle C400 - bit.ly/3qQ3h6W
vise - Allmatic Telecentric - K - bit.ly/3qMVDdK
CAM - SolidCAM 2021 SP2 - bit.ly/36gnCZN
-- my video setup * --
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SSD: amzn.to/3yrRj65
Macro lens: amzn.to/3hWAYQz
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The left over at the end is 0,25mm, so the part is easy to take off
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0:00 Intro
0:12 TPC end mill - Hoffmann - D8-Z5 - 203095 (imachining - tochoidal)
0:49 HPC end mill - Hoffmann - D3-Z4 - 203052
1:00 HPC drill - Hoffmann - D3.9 - 122425
1:10 HPC drill - Hoffmann - D3.7 - 122394
1:30 HPC drill - Hoffmann - D3.3 - 122394
1:42 tapping - Hoffmann - M4x0.7 - 135960
1:56 HPC drill - Hoffmann - D2.4 - 122425
2:12 HPC drill - Hoffmann - D2.9 - 122425
2:25 NC reamer - Hoffmann - 3H7 - 164341
2:45 tapping - Reime Noris - M4x0.35 - 5100A1315
3:10 NC reamer - Hoffmann - 4H7 - 164341
3:30 NC reamer - Hoffmann - 2.5H7 - 164341
3:59 HPC end mill - Hoffmann - D10-Z4 - 203052
4:25 TPC end mill - Hoffmann - D6-Z5 - 203095 (imachining - tochoidal)
4:40 HPC end mill - Hoffmann - D8-Z4 - 202995
6:18 HPC finisher - Hoffmann - D5 -Z7 - 204015
6:34 deburr - Hoffmann - D6 - 208156
7:33 TPC end mill - Hoffmann - D8-Z5 - 203095 (imachining - tochoidal)
7:59 TPC end mill - Hoffmann - D6-Z5 - 203095 (imachining - tochoidal)
8:23 HPC finisher - Hoffmann - D5 -Z7 - 204015
8:37 HPC end mill - Hoffmann - D3-Z4 - 203052 (imachining - tochoidal)
9:03 deburr - Hoffmann - D6 - 208156
9:18 countersink - Hoffmann - D4.3 - 150130
9:30 HPC end mill - Hoffmann - D3-Z4 - 203052 (parting off)
10:04 finishd part
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That's not even fair... absolutely stunning work.
Thank your Kevin 🤣
That drill deflection at 1:41
Perfekt für Sonntag morgen 😋
Ich arbeite viel an einer 5 Achs und sehe es mir in meiner Freizeit trotzdem noch an :D
@@heizerbirne5892 kann dich da voll und ganz verstehen. Wir haben im Werk leider nur 3 achsige Maschinen 😒
Don't even know how I found your channel - But I am so glad I did!
Glad to have you here now :) Your are welcome!
Gut aussehend!! Ich habe immer den Wunsch, das Endergebnis in das wirkliche Leben integriert zu sehen, installiert an seinem endgültigen Platz.
Freu mich jedes mal aufs neue wenn ein neues Video kommt :D Klasse Leistung!
Danke dir vielmals! 👍
Ich muss sagen, das ist bis jetzt mein lieblings Video 👍und auf ein Stahlteil habe ich mich auch schon sehr lange gefreut 😁super Video wie immer!
Vielen Dank 😊👍 ich schau dass nochmal Stahl kommt ;)
Einfach nur Satisfying und Hammer Qualität 😍
Bitte mehr Videos 🔥
Vielen Dank! ich denke das nächste kommt bald
Beatiful! Danke für deine Arbeit!
Handsome!! I always have the desire to see the final result integrated into real life, installed in its final place.
Thank you! I know it would be interesting but the customer who ordered those parts don't won't it sorry.
Einfach klasse Videos zum Thema! Danke.
Sehr gerne! Kommen sicher noch weitere :)
Beautiful job!
thank you!
I love these videos! I would love to work on a 5 axis one day
看了您的视频，在我工作上受益匪浅，谢谢您大师👍👍👍
Well done. i work on a Hermle C650 and if i had to do such small pieces i would get dizzy. otherwise great videos, nicely displayed tools. just so forward.
Remember kids, if you eat your wheaties, one day you’ll grow up to be a real machinist too!
This guy knows his equipment and tools.
Thank you man :))
I think your videos are awesome and I'm patiently waiting for the next one. No pressure, sometime in the next few days would be good lol.
I'm back now from holidays so I start work on the next one :)
@@BavariaCNC You are a good man.
Amazing video as per usual🥰
thank you Daniel!
Your tool strategies are AMAZING. Video request if possible, can you do one on how you deal with the tab post machining..
Hi! that is a good point I will try to bring that in to the next video. Thank you.
awesome video ,blue chips ...nice
thanks a lot Mark!
Kunst und Fertigung vereint
Vielen lieben Dank :)
Definitely a high end programmer.
I’m jealous :p
Thanks you!!!!
What CAD/CAM ?
@@billpiehler9010 SolidCAM
If only you could fit two parts... all those tool changes kill the cycle time. Extremely well done!
Dude, you make cool details, I like your style of processing ! SolidCAM is the best program I also use it
Thanks a lot!!! I also like using SolidCAM :)
@@BavariaCNC Have you ever worked in other CAM systems besides SolidCAM?
I’m on a 2019 dmu50 and using Hypermill. I’m really liking it, really intuitive.
richtig nice wieder :-)
Vielen Dank 😊
That's something like 24 tool changes for a ~50mm long part. That makes 2mm part per tool change :D
the part is just 38mm :) this is why threads and reamed holes are expensive, but good
@@BavariaCNC so 1,5mm per tool change. Love your parts, keep making awesome videos, please. 😀
What are you going on about, with length per tool change? That's a needless specific.
@@gredangeo Indeed it is, it was just a joke.
1:52 it seemed to me, or there were turned off M4 on the thread ?
HAHA my friend , LIKE Hermle C400 CNC Machining Center if with 5 axis From Spindle ?But anyway I like your tool holder methods .thanks for your sharing this experiences .
im very curious, what is that part?
Mich würde ja immer interessieren wofür die abgefahrenen Teile denn eigentlich sind. Geht uns natürlich nix an. Aber das ist offensichtlich eine Schnitttiefeneinstellung für einen königlich bayerischen Kraus-Maffei Dampf Radischneider LOL
I have one question.
What you used camera?
Parts like this make me wonder how much tool change time could be saved with something like a Robodrill or Speedio
Compare chip to chip times of the machines, multiple by the number of tool changes and wonder no more
@@micgalovic Good point. Hermle spec sheet says 6s chip to chip, Robodrill is 1.3s, Speedio is 1.4s.
I count 23 tool changes, so that's 29.9 - 32.2 seconds lost.
The time won between tool changes will be lost in much lower feed rates in roughing. Robodrills are not very rigid.
@@SaSaraSpanu for the pretty small tools used on this part it would be fine i think, but you might be right
i agree that for this part a robo drill would be very good. I don’t know how much tools they can hold but if they can handle tue amount it would be great. I was looking at a machine like that but i took the Hermle as I also have much bigger parts to do so the c400 was the way to go. but robo drills are amazing and if I would get one I would take one from Häberle cnc @haeberlecnc
Immer wieder sehr unterhaltsam und informativ !
Könnte ich mir den ganzen Tag anschauen.
Wie zufrieden sind sie mit dem Fahrion Centro P
vielen Dank! Die Futter sind klasse, zuverlässig und langlebig also alles was ich wollte :)
Your customers are okay with those finishes and chatter on the outsides of the part? Or was this just sped up for filming purposes?
Hi Michael, I know what you mean. But it looks much worse on the video then it is . You have to keep in mind that the part is pretty small and I film with a macro lens to get it in frame :) Anyway the part is being stonewashed in the end and then customers and I are happy :)
No lubricant for the form tap ! I was waiting for the SNAP. Hard to avoid the tool smash in the work holding jaws. That would be the program path not avoiding fixtures?
Lubricant is not used if you want to have a nice video, you have to hope that everything survives :D
Nice work. How much time does it take you to pragram this kind of tool path? And please make more videos.
Thank you! the toolpath is done in some minutes as CAM is really making it on its own :)
Am I tripping or did the collet hit the work holding at the beginning of the video, when machine was doing the roughing passes?
HI, I didn't see any so far =)
at high speed machining, you didn't use coolant for filming purpose or it's better not using coolant at all?
It depends from the tool and manufacturer. YG-1 says you shoud use coolant with all of their V7 (4 and 6 flutes), Tungaloy on the other hand recemends dry cutting for their VariableMaisters and Sandvik says that in normal steel you shoud pretty much only dry cut with some exceptions. Unfortunately, i have no experience with Hoffman, so i have no idea if they didn't use coolant for filming purposes. Baisicly, you want to use coolant with low cutting speeds, low feed per tooth and hard steels and you don't want to use coolant with high cutting speed, high feed per tooth and softer steels. On some tools it can couse thermal cracking which leads to a very quick wear of the cutting edge. I have even seen a situation in witch a coolant combained with high feed endmill coused the tool to melt. Using and not using coolant is a very hard issue and yuo have to mostly relay on manufacturers recomendations and your own experience.
How long did it take to program and set up this part?
Hi Thor! from scratch to full cycle run probably half a day.
💪🏻👍🏻 das sieht alles so Klasse und harmonisch aus...was stört ist der zähe Werkzeugwechsel 😅...die Übergabe zur Spindel muss einfach von Hermle nochmal angegriffen werden...aber ich kann mit meinen Großbearbeitungszentren dahingehend auch keinen Blumentopf gewinnen 😏...VG aus Sachsen!
Endlich mal trockenbearbeitung ohne risiko :D
War mir trocken auch deutlich lieber wie Alu :)))
Do reamers give tighter tolerances on hole diameters?
Yes, the hole has to be good before you use the reamer but it will produce a precise diameter. You can buy reamers in any size you need or have one made for you.
@bobby wright described it perfect, so no additions from me :)
Whats the total cycle time for the part? Or is this the real cycle time in the video (~10mins)?
I really show the whole process, so the 10 minutes are the cycle time (10:30 I think)
Sieht so aus als wenn der Bohrer etwas verlaufen wäre.
Teil Laufzeit 10min.
Programm erstellen 2h
Maschine Werkzeugeinrichten 1h
Geschätze Zeiten :))
Hoffe musstet davon viele machen.
Deine Backen haben auch schon ein wenig "thermoplastische Umformung" oder Auskraglängendifferenz gesehen hmm ? :-) Was hat deine 400er denn an Steuerung ? Heidenhain ?
ja die Backen wurden durchaus schon etwas warm :) aber ich hab als Schwabe kein Material zu verschenken ;) die hermle kommt mit der Heidenhain 640
@@BavariaCNC Danke für die Auskunft, hab ich mir sogar schon gedacht das da die Traunreuter ihren Dienst tut.
Weiterhin dicke Späne und immer ein hunderstel Luft unterm Futter ^^
Mit welcher software prpgrammierst du?
Ich verwende SolidCAM
Das kommt mir ein bisschen exzessiv mit dem Material vor. Ist das Hauptsächlich zu Anschauungszwecken? Ich meine, es geht bei dem Prozess nicht um Effizienz sondern um das Endergebnis, klar. Aber wäre schon interessant zu wissen wo Vorführung anfängt und welche Schritte auch mit einem Werkzeug hätten gestaltet werden können statt mit dreien.
Servus, das ist tastächlich so produktiv gelaufen. Material ist mein Standardmaterial, da ich ungern kleiner 20mm arbeite.
Moin
Was für Aufnahmen verwendest du?
hier im Video überwiegend Fahrion Centro P
1:41 Ist da der Bohrer verlaufen oder sieht das nur so aus?
Ne du hast da schon recht der bekommt durch den kleinen absatz hinten einen leichten Schlag mit. der zentriert sich aber gleich danach wieder. Könnte man besser machen, da gebe ich dir recht
@@BavariaCNC Trotzdem gutes Video👌🏻
@@qwertzbalken6076 Dankeschön 😀
Bin jedes Mal ein wenig betrübt wenn ich sehe wie geil die Sachen auf deiner c400 laufen und wir haben mit visi nur probleme :'D
vielen Dank!!!
на губках тисков следы нераскрытых преступлений:)
Was würde das Teil kosten im Verkauf?
kann ich so gar nicht sagen was mein Kunde am sxhluss dafür verlangt aber ich denke mal > 20€
As a everyday-steel-machinist the first tool made me uncomfortable, at work we use high feed cutting and hpc most of the time
it took me long till I like to run tools like that but that tool passed now 200 parts with being in good condition so all good :)
@@BavariaCNC I'd like to mill like that at work, unfortunately my cnc doesn't reach those speed (Machine is a Samag TFZ 3L-1500)
@@BavariaCNC I like the parameters, definitely pushing the limits! We run slower, 220m/min but this is in 17-4 H900, I thought we went fast but you are way faster! 1.5mm stepover is serious!
Cool part but the cutting data Is wrong ... After 20 Min in cut you have to replace all the endmills ... 0.16 fz? If you mean without the chip thinning effect ok , but in this case the workholding Is not stabile , you hear that , It tries to pull the workpiece in to the tool
Gfoid ma jetz ned so des Endergebnis. Flächen unsauber, zlange Werkzeig de singan...
Des kents bessa!!! Trotzdem griagts a LIKE ;o)
du moinst jetz aber ned d'schrubber, des muas so
@@BavariaCNC ne. Weiß ich.
Needs more tool changes....
1:38 Den D=3,3 Bohrer hods da sauba verdruckt
small part, always make me headache 😅
Так быстро делает, это видео ускоренное
Нет, это видео не ускоренное, это режимы резания такие)
Без полезная трата времени и ресурсов на таком станке . Ну просто расточительство . Это все равно что 10 тонным грузовиком возить мешок картошки .