The Great Dr Danie Craven gave us that wisdom when it comes to selecting a team, start with the tight head prop and his replacement, then take it from there 💪💪💪💪
Crazy thing with the ABz there starting frontrow might change to Tosi and Williams in a couple of years and i think both can play both sides of the scrum, its gonna be crazy to see 2 props at 6'5 and close to 150kgs and both run like mobile backrowers
Finlay Bealham is the unsung hero in this ireland team. Soft hands against France and South Africa for important tries and always fronts up when called upon, would have him in ahead of Tahi and Newell. Lions bolter
Great run down Tim, love your coverage and critique of all things union, you are one of my fave rugby channels. As someone else has said below, watching the 7s I realize what fun we’re missing with no scrums of substance! Wow just watch the Oz ladies demolish the GB team, the off loads, fends and support lines have been the major differences. 🤜🤛🏆❤️
Shows the quality of front rowers out there that Taniella Tupou can’t crack the top ten. I agree he shouldn’t be there right now. After a rough season at the rebels plus, he’s out of shape. I blame the rebels for that too. I’d love to hear your opinion on where Alan Alaalatoa sits? Thought he was good at the Brumbies and has been a workhorse for the wallabies for years.
Orsum orsum list. Still have a soft spot in my heart for Vincent Koch. One of my favourite games last season was the sharks v Clermont challenge cup semi. The scrum battle in that match was fantastic, and Koch really had to put in a big shift there
@@knoll9812not really bealham is older than furlong and jager is only a year or two younger we needed talent to come through in a big way in the next couple of years
Tameifuna & Antonio dropped off quite dramatically in the last 6 months or so. Bordeaux’s scrum got stuffed numerous times towards the end of the season. Probably still have both in my top 10 but towards the bottom of it. Will be interesting if they can bounce back next season at their ages.
I agree. Which is why I have historic form factored in. Ben Tameofuna being arguably best THP at world cup to not being in (or towards bottom of) top 10 in 9 months would make the exercise less meaningful. Or that's my thinking at least.
@@EggchasersRugbyQuietly I feel like the French have a bit of a tighthead issue. Antonio getting on & despite lots of enormous men at 3 in and around the squad no one has really staked a claim. Bamba now done his ACL too.
Thomas du Toit gets robbed as he is a bok. He was one of if not baths best players this season on the march to the premiership final. The bath scrum was dominant in most matches. His ball carrying and breakdown threat is phenomenal. Not many props can play loose and tight with 80 minutes in the tank. If he wasn’t a bok he would play regular international minutes and easily be in this list. He should be in there after such a good season for bath in the premiership and champions cup
He's fantastic, but and personally I think he's 2nd best Bok THP. But for this list couldn't pick him on the basis of 1 game v Portugal at international level.
I realise you cannot include him on the basis of 30mins at the end for the AB's against Fiji, but keep an eye in future on Pauliasi Tosi. 140kg ex (provincial) no8 with the ball skills, came to attention when Lomax was injured for the Hurricanes, he stepped in and the Canes scrum continued on its merry way with no change.
I expect Georges Henri Colombe to soon appear in this ranking, the guy is young, very good and he's Atonio's replacement both in La Rochelle and now for France too. Big old unit.
Hi Tim, hope you're doing well. Have you watched any of the conference finals in the MLR. Might keep you occupied while we wait for the Rugby Championship. Both matches were brilliant to watch
Vincent Koch cannot be number 8, he is so incredibly solid in the scrum and has been solid in open play. Kicked an amazing 50 22 in the Challenge Cup final too!
How far off top 10 d'ya reckon Irelands next tighthead is? Its concerning that Finlay Bealham hasnt managed to supplant Furlong, and the next boys on the block are very untested.
I thought bealham was worth a shout for 8 or 9, but do you know something there's real talent behind furlong with finlay jager and o toole but I really hate that they won't try them, loosehead is the real problem and I really hope o tooles conversion to lh goes well because we need it and a player as good as him needs to be in the 23
@@cianhalley9266 I'd actually forgot about Jager! Good shout there. O'Toole at LH could be a good move and with the IRFU making an active push for homegrown props, hopefully some serious talent comes through soon because asking Healy to cover the whole front row is a bit bad considering how proud we are of our school system.
The two scrums are pretty even. The reason the final had parity was due to Bongi being injured early, the we had a loose forward playing at hooker. That negated the scrum.
I think Malherbe is at the back end of the top ten. Other tight heads are as good at scrummaging but offer a lot more in open play as well. Malherbe is a weak ball carrier too in my opinion.
Malherbe isn't the best scrummager but he is up there. He gets found out when looseheads pull down and down really take the hit (dark arts). Partly due to his height. His role isn't to carry but his defensive work is where he apparently shines.
They can bring their Kolbe, their Dupont, their Carter or even their Lomu. I'll take my Malherbe, I'll take my Owen Franks and I'll take my Phil Vickery, thanks.
As a Scot he is very inconsistent in big games. Always performs for Glasgow but seems to have a huge mistake in him for every Scotland game, normally at scrum time
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Watching the 7s yesterday reminded me how exciting the scrum is in 15s
The Great Dr Danie Craven gave us that wisdom when it comes to selecting a team, start with the tight head prop and his replacement, then take it from there 💪💪💪💪
Furlong was clearly bothered by his hamstring and maybe more in that Boks when he came out early in 2nd half
Crazy thing with the ABz there starting frontrow might change to Tosi and Williams in a couple of years and i think both can play both sides of the scrum, its gonna be crazy to see 2 props at 6'5 and close to 150kgs and both run like mobile backrowers
Agreed - 300kg of athleticism is a scary thought for the future
Finlay Bealham is the unsung hero in this ireland team. Soft hands against France and South Africa for important tries and always fronts up when called upon, would have him in ahead of Tahi and Newell. Lions bolter
Great run down Tim, love your coverage and critique of all things union, you are one of my fave rugby channels.
As someone else has said below, watching the 7s I realize what fun we’re missing with no scrums of substance!
Wow just watch the Oz ladies demolish the GB team, the off loads, fends and support lines have been the major differences.
🤜🤛🏆❤️
Fagerson didnt just play 80 mins in the URC final, he played 80 mins in the semis and 70+ in quarters the 2 weeks before
And on the eighth day, God created tightheads.
Amen
Danie Craven said it
Shows the quality of front rowers out there that Taniella Tupou can’t crack the top ten. I agree he shouldn’t be there right now. After a rough season at the rebels plus, he’s out of shape. I blame the rebels for that too.
I’d love to hear your opinion on where Alan Alaalatoa sits? Thought he was good at the Brumbies and has been a workhorse for the wallabies for years.
I think what you forget about Frans Malherbe is he also often controls the defensive line, more so now that Duane is gone.
Orsum orsum list. Still have a soft spot in my heart for Vincent Koch. One of my favourite games last season was the sharks v Clermont challenge cup semi. The scrum battle in that match was fantastic, and Koch really had to put in a big shift there
In the 2nd SA Test Furlong was suffering from an injury which restricted his involvement.
I believed he failed an HIA after coming off
Ireland are finally starting to game time the future players
@@knoll9812not really bealham is older than furlong and jager is only a year or two younger we needed talent to come through in a big way in the next couple of years
As a pairing I will have lomax and Newell Newell has a very big engine Ryan loves him
Bello played extremely well against France - he could be on the list for sure.
Tameifuna & Antonio dropped off quite dramatically in the last 6 months or so. Bordeaux’s scrum got stuffed numerous times towards the end of the season. Probably still have both in my top 10 but towards the bottom of it. Will be interesting if they can bounce back next season at their ages.
I agree. Which is why I have historic form factored in. Ben Tameofuna being arguably best THP at world cup to not being in (or towards bottom of) top 10 in 9 months would make the exercise less meaningful. Or that's my thinking at least.
@@EggchasersRugbyQuietly I feel like the French have a bit of a tighthead issue. Antonio getting on & despite lots of enormous men at 3 in and around the squad no one has really staked a claim. Bamba now done his ACL too.
@@Trippyworld1011 Colombe and/or Tatafu should take this position soon.
Props are a bit like heavyweight boxers. they can carry on a bit longer!
Thanks really enjoying this series. Also would like to hear who you have on the radar but not in the top 10.
Thomas Du Toit worth a shout, great season with Bath and soon to be a permanent fixture in the Bok 23.
Thomas du Toit gets robbed as he is a bok. He was one of if not baths best players this season on the march to the premiership final. The bath scrum was dominant in most matches. His ball carrying and breakdown threat is phenomenal. Not many props can play loose and tight with 80 minutes in the tank. If he wasn’t a bok he would play regular international minutes and easily be in this list. He should be in there after such a good season for bath in the premiership and champions cup
He's fantastic, but and personally I think he's 2nd best Bok THP. But for this list couldn't pick him on the basis of 1 game v Portugal at international level.
Think newel should be up a couple places hes an absolute scrumaging machine and pretty good round the field
Love these videos Tim! Bar Fridges 😁
Wilco Louw top tight head in SA.
Now now, not above Frans. But I hear you that he can give Koch a go.
If Thomas du Toit or Wilco Louw or Neethling Fouche were from elsewhere they would be on this list
Probably right. They'd have been able to show their ability on international pitch.
@@EggchasersRugbyWilco Louw will be no 1 within the year
@@paulcrosland6693 lol
if Malherbe were from elsewhere he wouldn't be 1st on this list
@@newchannelname3395since when mate
I realise you cannot include him on the basis of 30mins at the end for the AB's against Fiji, but keep an eye in future on Pauliasi Tosi. 140kg ex (provincial) no8 with the ball skills, came to attention when Lomax was injured for the Hurricanes, he stepped in and the Canes scrum continued on its merry way with no change.
I expect Georges Henri Colombe to soon appear in this ranking, the guy is young, very good and he's Atonio's replacement both in La Rochelle and now for France too. Big old unit.
Tadhg Furlong
Zander Fagerson
Will Stuart (for sheer bulk)
Would be the 3 TH props i would take to the lions tour.
Hi Tim, hope you're doing well. Have you watched any of the conference finals in the MLR. Might keep you occupied while we wait for the Rugby Championship. Both matches were brilliant to watch
Beloved Dr Danie Craven.
I predict Archie Griffin to break into this top 10 next time.
I would like you to do a full team at the end of all the #1's from your series 9th Aug
I expect a Thomas the Tank to make an appearance in this top 10 by the end of the season.
I wish Rassie could give Neethling Fouché a chance because I think he is at the moment the best tight head in SA.
Dr Danie Craven said it.
Danie Craven's quote
I Think it was Doc Craven.
Vincent Koch cannot be number 8, he is so incredibly solid in the scrum and has been solid in open play. Kicked an amazing 50 22 in the Challenge Cup final too!
How far off top 10 d'ya reckon Irelands next tighthead is? Its concerning that Finlay Bealham hasnt managed to supplant Furlong, and the next boys on the block are very untested.
I thought bealham was worth a shout for 8 or 9, but do you know something there's real talent behind furlong with finlay jager and o toole but I really hate that they won't try them, loosehead is the real problem and I really hope o tooles conversion to lh goes well because we need it and a player as good as him needs to be in the 23
@@cianhalley9266 I'd actually forgot about Jager! Good shout there. O'Toole at LH could be a good move and with the IRFU making an active push for homegrown props, hopefully some serious talent comes through soon because asking Healy to cover the whole front row is a bit bad considering how proud we are of our school system.
Tim, it was a tight-head prop who said it.😂
haha
It was Dr Danie Craven that said that.
Lekker Fransie💪🏻
I would love to know the squatting, deadlifting and hip thrusting numbers of these props
💯. Would LOVE that
abs scrum are going to blow the boks out of the water. Cant wait.
The two scrums are pretty even. The reason the final had parity was due to Bongi being injured early, the we had a loose forward playing at hooker. That negated the scrum.
@@mthunziphakathi4215 will be sorted soon enough
Tupou is a menace.
I'm really hoping his form and fitness can last
Britain and Ireland have a prop problem
Poor Thomas du Toit, Wilco Louw, Neethling Fouche and Trevor Nyakane. If they were from any other country.
Totally agree. They'd be international rugby regulars and in the mix.
I'm pretty sure it was the rugby erudite, Stephen Jones, who said that quote 👀👀
Naaah Dr Craven
I think Malherbe is at the back end of the top ten. Other tight heads are as good at scrummaging but offer a lot more in open play as well. Malherbe is a weak ball carrier too in my opinion.
Malherbe isn't the best scrummager but he is up there. He gets found out when looseheads pull down and down really take the hit (dark arts). Partly due to his height.
His role isn't to carry but his defensive work is where he apparently shines.
Tight head prop sounds like Dok Danie Craven.
Tomas Francis isn’t unavailable but has made himself ineligible for a year 👍🏼
Tanela doesn’t get a look?
They can bring their Kolbe, their Dupont, their Carter or even their Lomu.
I'll take my Malherbe, I'll take my Owen Franks and I'll take my Phil Vickery, thanks.
Danie Craven
You are quick
Agree, quiet otherwise
You forget the best scrummer of them all Wilco Louw No one can stand infront of him
I agree. He's ace
Tough to pick him when he's not able to play international rugby (because SA have tight head props coming out of their ears)
Doc Craven said it!
thank you
World has changed.
England scrum.
They used to win the England ganes
david flatman
DF is a loosehead.
I would very much doubt it.
Fagerson is far better than 6
As a Scot he is very inconsistent in big games. Always performs for Glasgow but seems to have a huge mistake in him for every Scotland game, normally at scrum time
5:23 *Unreal Engine* ™
Isn't Thomas Du Toit a Tighthead?
He plays both sides.
Only 1 Englishman in a top 10 for all front row positions. Wow
I know! Pains me to see it.
Ah battery could well be a coming force
Baxter
I saw Joe Marler at nr 7??
Only one french too 😢
As an England fan, I m not much enjoying this series so far🙄
Ox ?????
Loosehead
Oh look Tim has put another South African at No. 1 ! #Saclickbait this site 😉