I don't think that it looks ugly, I just think it doesn't look Italian, but rather Japanese. It's still a good-looking bike, but it's not a good-looking Panigale.
I find the current model to be absolutely beautiful but this new 2025 model is beyond hideous. I think the swingarm looks okay, still prefer the single-sided, but the front-end looks too small and squished for the rest of the bike and the color matched wings actually look really cheap. The side fairings also look incomplete and closer to aftermarket race fairings that were just slapped on. As I saw others say it really does look like a cheap no name Chinese sportbike.
I don't think I could honestly call it ugly, but it's definitely not as pretty as the outgoing model. Mostly the colour matched wings and the swingarm. Not sure if I'll get used to it. I thought I'd get used to the wings, but they still look daft to me.
It looks better than the previous model but you still aren’t used to it. everytime is the same shit, people have problems to understand a new design language. It’s the same when You listen to a beautyful but complex song for the first time, untill you’ll get used to it you won’t like. But give time to time and you will. It looks abdolutely italian.
The wind tunnel doesn't care whether you think its pretty or not but yes its pretty, i knew it would be a matter of time before Ducati started making its Panigale look more like it's GP bike which is definitely function over form.
Felt the same when the new bmw s1k had come out, kinda grew into me but still then older gen was the better looking but in this ones case the outgoing model definitely looked better.
1000%. When the 6th gen v4 came out it was as pretty bland and didn’t have all the vents and wings like it does now. This 7th gen is just the foundation it will definitely mature and get more aggressive over the next few year, as the previous(6th) gen did.
No true , when the previous Panigale came out 99% of people loved it!! This one looks like a copy of a Chinese super sport bike , previous model definitely hayyyyyy better
Literally a technical masterpiece by Ducati, this brand is in the form of its life right now. They just gave us the most capable superbike ever to be produced in Borgo Panigale. One with HEAPS of Ducati Corse influence, in a time where brands are walking away from making liter bikes because of regulations. We should be thankful for this amazing gift
Regardless of what others think of it - I ordered it anyway (delivery March 2025). Bought first Duke in 2001 - a 996, and have owned top Duke ever since: 999S, 1098S, 1199S, V4S and now this (ordered with Akra race cans and not full system - can't justify extra €4k again for full system for just an extra 4bhp!). Roll on Spring 25!
The streetfighter is the only bike they made look better than the previous model. I wonder if they’ll butcher that bike as well. Can’t be as bad as Yamaha or KTM’s design team.
@@Samuel-qe9lj It’s not too bad. The KTM Duke 990 is horrible with that new head light. New MT09 is slightly better than the previous but still could be better.
I love that since they took away the single sided swing arm, they compensated with adding an underslung brake caliper, making it much easier to change the rear wheel.
The ugliness of the Panigale is a side issue, these bikes are track bikes or bikes to be ride in italian style, 150 mph all roads, its an insane machine for insane riders.
the swing arm should be an option cuz it may be better on the track but for the road. it’s un needed. you don’t need every ounce of performance on the street lol.
The 899 / 1199 was the best looking Ducati ever made. They have gone backwards slightly each year in looks since then. Hopefully they get better for the next one as I'd like an upgrade soon :)
It took a few days to like this design but just ordered the base model! I'm an engineer.. the double sided swing arm and the dash are what sold it for me.. 😊
The first gen v4s was the best looking Ducati. The additional gill on the side and the wings completely ruined the bike's aesthetics. The belly pan gills looked good though and would be nice on the first gen v4s. The new one has the same problem, the wings.
It's not ugly per se. Everyone expected something better and more aggressive looking than the existing Panigale. But it turned out looking more like a CFMOTO instead. It just looks softer, less aggressive. The more exposed front wheel makes the front look skinny. In a year, we'll probably get used to it. But for now it's a CFMOTO 1103R-SR.....
It's definitely better looking. I only prefer that the winglets be removable and not fully integrated on the fairing that if you damage it, it's easily replaceable. I prefer naked carbon color winglets too. 😊
Agree with you on all points, except that i actually prefer the double sided swingarm for mechanical/engineering reasons. Makes no sense to be supported on one side only.
The swing arm changes are probably due to flex and strength improvements not any ascetic reasons. Ducati has been fighting this issue when racing WSB/BSB and are looking to get back to the top like they are in MotoGP if I had to guess. The previous generation bike is a better looking bike imo, but I'm biased and a 22 V4S. It's also about bragging rights with the whole "Race on Sunday, sell on Monday" approach.
It became more about functional design performance over aesthetic design performance. I like the previous version if we are talking about beauty, but motoGP bikes are not necessarily beautiful, but they get the job done on track…I think Ducati went towards this and will get the love or hate for it. But to hard core riders this may be the ultimate.
I love the changes and the updates and it's much needed too ..now with small eyes and a moustache it's looking like more Italian model...so that's a really good work done by the team Ducati ❤
I would like to see an option for black or carbon fiber wings and some slots in the side fairings. I'm sad about the single sided swing arm but I can maybe get over it
Definitely, I wouldn’t say ugly though, my opinion I would’ve prefer it with a single swing harm with under the seat exhaust, that’s the DNA of Ducati character.
its a opinion my guy. i own a 2020 r6 i wanted to get a panigale v4s for next season but tbh i probably get a 2024 v4s. front of the 2025 looks like a cheap chinese bike
@@Ciri254Get a 23-24 NOW there was just a 23 V4R in my area for only $28K without fees at a dealership and my friend considered buying it but it sold in like 2 days. Dealerships are trying to dump 23 and 24 right now!
at least duc4ti has restored the original identity of its swing arm, only the others have not, such as the tubular chassis and Twin engine. the original identity of duc4ti 851. which is currently still very close to the honda RC series. and charming like the 2007 RC212V
Sorry, but you guys have missed the key point with this machine... MANY refinements that will be pretty dramatic on the track - brakes, chassis, electronics, handling, aero, etc. Total package will be quite an upgrade. It even some aspects that will make it a better road bike (though is essentially a race bike for the street). Oh, and the exhaust options ARE available for the US market (and always have been with the former generations of Panigale models). I own a previous generation and definitely see this as a solid upgrade when you look at all the changes. I also will keep my current model due to looks as well as the single sided swingarm and the overall vibe of the bike - its a 2020. However, I placed an order for the 2025 model since it will undoubtedly be a much easier bike to ride fast, safer to push during track days, and benefit from tech that isn't even available on other superbikes (Brembo upgraded brakes, Ohlins 3.0, Ducati override system with nearly 70 different parameters taken into effect, groundbreaking dash and data inputs, etc. Oh, and yeah... I'm so-so on the new looks, but I'm sure I can tweak things with some aftermarket mods to improve upon the appearance of the 2025 model. Can't wait to take this bike to the track!
You're missing it too... the sum of those incremental gains will be dramatic when throwing a let over this machine (perhaps more so on the track, but even on the street). Looks I prefer my precious gen, but this model is far from ugly. @@cycletexas9157
It literally looks like a damn CF MOTO Chinese knock off of a Panigali.....ruined it for me. Looks like every other run of the mill Japanese bike. No character what-so-ever. I'll stick with getting the Diavel V4.
I consider it one of the most beautiful bikes I've ever seen... front part looks like an airplane, and the whole design is so slim and harmonic it screams "I'm liiiiiight!!!!!". I don't understand how anyone can say this bike is ugly. It's different from the previous model for sure. But ugly, hell no.
Me and the wife think it looks beautiful. I didn't really like the last model because of the nose and shark gills. This one looks like an elegant bike, one I am certainly more excited about acquiring.
Not ugly, but no SSS, no trellis frame, no undertail dual exhaust, no V twin…..they will finally say they cracked the code of speed when they swap to an inline 4.
I give kudos to Ducati for always pushing to improve, unlike the Japanese who have fallen into a Superbike slumber. However, progress comes at a price, which, combined with inflation, puts this Panigale even further out of reach for the average joe. Superbikes are in a cost death spiral. Ironically, this bike might contribute to the downfall of the Superbike.
What?? Ugly? are you kidding me? so, what brand with good-looking bike? For me, this is the best design from Ducati, they build this bike based on their experience from MotoGP Championship. They bring the smartest and closest performance to MotoGP bike.
The front end looks badass, amazing job, it did grow on me though. Don't like the fairing cuts, too many opposing angles, double sided swing arm is sad and very few except race teams will benefit, for 95% of buyers the single sided looks better and performs well enough. Overall the bike is amazing, a straight W. But what the flying f$#@, 70 sensors on this bike and they still couldn't add a fuel gauge....whyyyyyyyyyyyyy????????
Its the most beautiful bike since the 916! Finally wings that dont look like they came from ebay!!! Cleaned up the fairing! Got rid of all those cut outs!!!
Crazy how people can see two different things. I see basically the opposite of what you see. I like the front end and the dash, but everything else is a big no.
I've had a 996s. I don't need Ducati paying homage to it with those huge glass lenses. Ugly. Get rid of that at least. The missing breathers is weird. Previous bike exuded aggro. This not really so much. I'm a huge Ducatista. They can almost make anything and I'm all about it. But my emotions with the front of this are not favorable. The needed to just gimme the Damn GP bikes looks and aero at this point.
I’m just gonna say this, sales will suffer. The average punter who actually lays down his hard earned will look at this year and the new and buy purely in looks alone. Regardless of performance. People lurrrvvvvv the single sided S.A it looks as incredible today as it did all those years ago when we first saw the 916. Time will tell
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I don't think that it looks ugly, I just think it doesn't look Italian, but rather Japanese. It's still a good-looking bike, but it's not a good-looking Panigale.
With its elegance and refined design it looks very Italian to me ( speaking as an Italian)
The biggest problem on this bike is the front led light. Im 100% sure with the previous led lights this would look soo much better!
I find the current model to be absolutely beautiful but this new 2025 model is beyond hideous.
I think the swingarm looks okay, still prefer the single-sided, but the front-end looks too small and squished for the rest of the bike and the color matched wings actually look really cheap. The side fairings also look incomplete and closer to aftermarket race fairings that were just slapped on. As I saw others say it really does look like a cheap no name Chinese sportbike.
I don't think I could honestly call it ugly, but it's definitely not as pretty as the outgoing model. Mostly the colour matched wings and the swingarm. Not sure if I'll get used to it. I thought I'd get used to the wings, but they still look daft to me.
If it is black or carbon, it will look more stable
It looks better than the previous model but you still aren’t used to it. everytime is the same shit, people have problems to understand a new design language. It’s the same when You listen to a beautyful but complex song for the first time, untill you’ll get used to it you won’t like. But give time to time and you will. It looks abdolutely italian.
The wind tunnel doesn't care whether you think its pretty or not but yes its pretty, i knew it would be a matter of time before Ducati started making its Panigale look more like it's GP bike which is definitely function over form.
Great comment
Literally, everyone says this when a new generation of anything comes out. In 2 years, no one will be saying anything.
Felt the same when the new bmw s1k had come out, kinda grew into me but still then older gen was the better looking but in this ones case the outgoing model definitely looked better.
100%.
1000%. When the 6th gen v4 came out it was as pretty bland and didn’t have all the vents and wings like it does now. This 7th gen is just the foundation it will definitely mature and get more aggressive over the next few year, as the previous(6th) gen did.
Nope... 999 ugly today
No true , when the previous Panigale came out 99% of people loved it!! This one looks like a copy of a Chinese super sport bike , previous model definitely hayyyyyy better
Literally a technical masterpiece by Ducati, this brand is in the form of its life right now. They just gave us the most capable superbike ever to be produced in Borgo Panigale. One with HEAPS of Ducati Corse influence, in a time where brands are walking away from making liter bikes because of regulations. We should be thankful for this amazing gift
The last panigale that was beautiful and the most beautiful was the 1299! Change my mind.
I would rank the 1299 and the MV Augusta F4 as the most beautiful bikes ever. It is always in my PC's wallpaper folder.
Regardless of what others think of it - I ordered it anyway (delivery March 2025). Bought first Duke in 2001 - a 996, and have owned top Duke ever since: 999S, 1098S, 1199S, V4S and now this (ordered with Akra race cans and not full system - can't justify extra €4k again for full system for just an extra 4bhp!). Roll on Spring 25!
It’s closer to the MotoGP bike. There are other models, most people don’t have anywhere near the skills to safely twist the noise tube on this puppy.
999 all over again, I will take two of them😊
My preferred trackbike is my 749RS with a big bore kit. it handles better than my 996 and 1098
No way. The 999 with the double stack was terrible. The previous style with 996 and 998 are my favorite regardless of performance.
@@RadDadisRad No one asked you squid!! no headlights on a racebike!!
@@USAracing don’t care, looks like a can of fart.
it looks good, it's doubtful there will be another bike come out that looks as good as 1098/1198/848 or the original MV Agusta F4.
I don't love it, but compared to how they butchered the Monster, this is only a small downgrade IMO.
Agree. New monster is just a Ducati MT07 to me for looks.
Oh I needed to hear that. Monster was such a beautiful motorcycle with clean lines and now looks mentally challenged
The streetfighter is the only bike they made look better than the previous model. I wonder if they’ll butcher that bike as well. Can’t be as bad as Yamaha or KTM’s design team.
Oh ya the new monster is horrible
@@Samuel-qe9lj It’s not too bad. The KTM Duke 990 is horrible with that new head light. New MT09 is slightly better than the previous but still could be better.
I love that since they took away the single sided swing arm, they compensated with adding an underslung brake caliper, making it much easier to change the rear wheel.
The single sided swingarm had one already.
The ugliness of the Panigale is a side issue, these bikes are track bikes or bikes to be ride in italian style, 150 mph all roads, its an insane machine for insane riders.
Most are not tracked. Most Ferraris are not designed for best time on the track.
Couldn’t be more wrong. 99.9% of people never track them
@@cycletexas9157 I see them on track.
Looks are subjective.
It doesn’t matter as long as it looks like a Ducati.
It is so clean looking that looks like a super sports bike
the swing arm should be an option cuz it may be better on the track but for the road. it’s un needed. you don’t need every ounce of performance on the street lol.
The 899 / 1199 was the best looking Ducati ever made. They have gone backwards slightly each year in looks since then. Hopefully they get better for the next one as I'd like an upgrade soon :)
It took a few days to like this design but just ordered the base model! I'm an engineer.. the double sided swing arm and the dash are what sold it for me.. 😊
The first gen v4s was the best looking Ducati. The additional gill on the side and the wings completely ruined the bike's aesthetics. The belly pan gills looked good though and would be nice on the first gen v4s. The new one has the same problem, the wings.
Its like the R1 , the previous r1 was prettier
This is the BEST looking Panni yet! Love the red wings. Lines flow much better!!
😂😂😂😂😂😂
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you dont even have a motorcycle license!!! stupid kids
It's not ugly per se. Everyone expected something better and more aggressive looking than the existing Panigale. But it turned out looking more like a CFMOTO instead. It just looks softer, less aggressive. The more exposed front wheel makes the front look skinny.
In a year, we'll probably get used to it. But for now it's a CFMOTO 1103R-SR.....
It's definitely better looking. I only prefer that the winglets be removable and not fully integrated on the fairing that if you damage it, it's easily replaceable. I prefer naked carbon color winglets too. 😊
Agree with you on all points, except that i actually prefer the double sided swingarm for mechanical/engineering reasons. Makes no sense to be supported on one side only.
It reminds me when they changed 998 to 999
it looks less exotic imho, i don't know how to say it but it looks like those chinese fake Panigale
The swing arm changes are probably due to flex and strength improvements not any ascetic reasons. Ducati has been fighting this issue when racing WSB/BSB and are looking to get back to the top like they are in MotoGP if I had to guess. The previous generation bike is a better looking bike imo, but I'm biased and a 22 V4S. It's also about bragging rights with the whole "Race on Sunday, sell on Monday" approach.
I don't hate it, I don't love it, I just like my '18 model which I find best looking for now!
It became more about functional design performance over aesthetic design performance. I like the previous version if we are talking about beauty, but motoGP bikes are not necessarily beautiful, but they get the job done on track…I think Ducati went towards this and will get the love or hate for it. But to hard core riders this may be the ultimate.
I love the changes and the updates and it's much needed too ..now with small eyes and a moustache it's looking like more Italian model...so that's a really good work done by the team Ducati ❤
I would like to see an option for black or carbon fiber wings and some slots in the side fairings. I'm sad about the single sided swing arm but I can maybe get over it
When honda cbr1000rr r and Ducati v4 had sex together = new panigale…
I wouldn’t insult a cbr. I think if you perform a DNA test, CFMoto is the daddy.
Definitely, I wouldn’t say ugly though, my opinion I would’ve prefer it with a single swing harm with under the seat exhaust, that’s the DNA of Ducati character.
I like it. The only thing that I would add is a painted front fender. It looks like it’s missing.
Hate it, fire the design team
Ugly? Are you guys kidding me??? This Panigale looks sexier than ever… much more sleek and elegant. Love the new swing arm too, a true work of art!
I totally agree
its a opinion my guy. i own a 2020 r6 i wanted to get a panigale v4s for next season but tbh i probably get a 2024 v4s. front of the 2025 looks like a cheap chinese bike
@@Ciri254Get a 23-24 NOW there was just a 23 V4R in my area for only $28K without fees at a dealership and my friend considered buying it but it sold in like 2 days. Dealerships are trying to dump 23 and 24 right now!
I love the design. I’m just really disappointed with not having a single swing arm
at least duc4ti has restored the original identity of its swing arm, only the others have not, such as the tubular chassis and Twin engine. the original identity of duc4ti 851. which is currently still very close to the honda RC series. and charming like the 2007 RC212V
It looks great but the single sided swing arm has been the signature of Ducati....... I don't know..... I still love the single sided swingarm....😢
It's different, and amazing actually... I am in love with it...
Just 5 seconds off Ducati's GP23 lap times @ Misano, it is fast. 1:30s V4S vs 1:35s GP23.
Sorry, but you guys have missed the key point with this machine... MANY refinements that will be pretty dramatic on the track - brakes, chassis, electronics, handling, aero, etc. Total package will be quite an upgrade. It even some aspects that will make it a better road bike (though is essentially a race bike for the street).
Oh, and the exhaust options ARE available for the US market (and always have been with the former generations of Panigale models).
I own a previous generation and definitely see this as a solid upgrade when you look at all the changes. I also will keep my current model due to looks as well as the single sided swingarm and the overall vibe of the bike - its a 2020.
However, I placed an order for the 2025 model since it will undoubtedly be a much easier bike to ride fast, safer to push during track days, and benefit from tech that isn't even available on other superbikes (Brembo upgraded brakes, Ohlins 3.0, Ducati override system with nearly 70 different parameters taken into effect, groundbreaking dash and data inputs, etc.
Oh, and yeah... I'm so-so on the new looks, but I'm sure I can tweak things with some aftermarket mods to improve upon the appearance of the 2025 model. Can't wait to take this bike to the track!
Most don’t track them though. The tiny incremental gains are not worth the ugly.
You're missing it too... the sum of those incremental gains will be dramatic when throwing a let over this machine (perhaps more so on the track, but even on the street). Looks I prefer my precious gen, but this model is far from ugly. @@cycletexas9157
its only ugly by ducati standards. any other manufacturer came out with this and we would all say its fire.
It's simple,they needed improved weapon for WSBK and that's why they improved aero and swapped to better performing swingarm at the cost of looks.
it looks somewhat like the S1000RR, for me the 1199/1299 was the best looking !
1199 is the best looking Panigale. I own a tricolore and would take mine over this any day of the week regardless of performance.
Weather you like the looks or not. Still better looking bike than most other sports bikes on the market.
Love it 😎
does it look ugly
no
does the conventional swingarm look ugly
no
does it look asian
yes
It looks like a fireblade?? 😅
Had two v4 s&r i can say we have to wait few more months,, then we will digest it more
It literally looks like a damn CF MOTO Chinese knock off of a Panigali.....ruined it for me. Looks like every other run of the mill Japanese bike. No character what-so-ever. I'll stick with getting the Diavel V4.
All I Care is horsepower and handling to me new panigale v4 looking good
I consider it one of the most beautiful bikes I've ever seen... front part looks like an airplane, and the whole design is so slim and harmonic it screams "I'm liiiiiight!!!!!". I don't understand how anyone can say this bike is ugly. It's different from the previous model for sure. But ugly, hell no.
It's not ugly at all, it's reminiscent of the old 1098 bike.
It’s not pretty . Let’s be honest .
This is the best looking Ducati
Does it has “cost control “?
Awesome bike, would love to get one but that’s a lot of money to drop when it sits in the garage most of the time
I love it, I can’t afford it but I’m happy with my 2021 Multistrada V4 S
STUNNING , BUYING ONE FOR TMY SUPERBIKE COLLECTION .
I like it better than the current model myself.
I think they have made the fairings look average so they can make them look better in a couple of years update.
Yesssssssss..... Looks like a CFMoto ...... 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳
Love it! A new red R1!
I think it looks great. A very pretty bike.
Me and the wife think it looks beautiful. I didn't really like the last model because of the nose and shark gills. This one looks like an elegant bike, one I am certainly more excited about acquiring.
Not ugly, but no SSS, no trellis frame, no undertail dual exhaust, no V twin…..they will finally say they cracked the code of speed when they swap to an inline 4.
Most important change is the swing arm !!!!!!
I give kudos to Ducati for always pushing to improve, unlike the Japanese who have fallen into a Superbike slumber. However, progress comes at a price, which, combined with inflation, puts this Panigale even further out of reach for the average joe. Superbikes are in a cost death spiral. Ironically, this bike might contribute to the downfall of the Superbike.
Are they moving forward or going backwards to the 1199?
I'm ok with the headlights but the wings gotta go
even if i say its ugly, theres no way i can hate it because i cant afford it 💀 (except ducati supersport)
It looks like the BMW m1000rr and previous gen v4 had a shag and this is the result.
Agree … Evolution of the 1098 👍
It is gorgeous first bike that looks like a dezmo 4 but is attainable
Yes it’s ugly . I’ve been wanting one for many years . Not anymore . It’s ugly
looks ok
What?? Ugly? are you kidding me? so, what brand with good-looking bike?
For me, this is the best design from Ducati, they build this bike based on their experience from MotoGP Championship.
They bring the smartest and closest performance to MotoGP bike.
The front end looks badass, amazing job, it did grow on me though. Don't like the fairing cuts, too many opposing angles, double sided swing arm is sad and very few except race teams will benefit, for 95% of buyers the single sided looks better and performs well enough.
Overall the bike is amazing, a straight W.
But what the flying f$#@, 70 sensors on this bike and they still couldn't add a fuel gauge....whyyyyyyyyyyyyy????????
My only issue with the new gen bikes are the stupid wings.
I have to say that it's not ugly, it's just a little downgrade from the outgoing one.
It looks amazing.
Yes, they took a step back this time.
Those winglet is ugly for road riding. There should have been an option to remove it. Otherwise it's a dream design. Fantastic.
Definitely ugly, actually this is the ugliest Panigale in a LONG time.
Its the most beautiful bike since the 916! Finally wings that dont look like they came from ebay!!! Cleaned up the fairing! Got rid of all those cut outs!!!
Crazy how people can see two different things. I see basically the opposite of what you see. I like the front end and the dash, but everything else is a big no.
I love this design ❤️
hate it hate it
I've had a 996s. I don't need Ducati paying homage to it with those huge glass lenses. Ugly. Get rid of that at least. The missing breathers is weird. Previous bike exuded aggro. This not really so much. I'm a huge Ducatista. They can almost make anything and I'm all about it. But my emotions with the front of this are not favorable. The needed to just gimme the Damn GP bikes looks and aero at this point.
What about cruise control ?
I've heard it does have it as well as heated grips but still no fuel gauge.
I’m just gonna say this, sales will suffer. The average punter who actually lays down his hard earned will look at this year and the new and buy purely in looks alone. Regardless of performance. People lurrrvvvvv the single sided S.A it looks as incredible today as it did all those years ago when we first saw the 916. Time will tell
Why no projector lamp ?
As a pilot? ❤❤❤it 🤷, I'm hardly a fanatic of Ducati though, but as far as Look? You all are just wrong lol - It's pretty
I don't want to hear anything about how "predictive" it might be until I know it has a fuel gauge. 😆
I just got first ducati 6 months ago. Looking at new styles it will be my last .
My 2023 V4 just got stolen and I'm just sad.
meanwhile 15k miles 1 1/2 years into my v2 ownership..
I wonder how many Panigale V4 owners track race them?