Tyler himself has said in interviews that the lore started with blurryface. However, I think the entire story of the lore is built on the same foundation that he wrote all of his earlier work in that the story was created in a way for him to address the topics that he used to address more straightforwardly.
@@perligo I'd have to search for it. Again, I think every album is connected. However, Blurryface is when the lore became intentional but I think Tyler used all his previous work to outline this narrative. This is why Vessel, regional at Best, and Twenty One Pilots (self-titled) are more straightforward and Blurryface and everything since has been more cryptic. I think you're right to think everything is connected. I just think it's semantics of when the story officially began.
Also Clancy coming out 9 years to the day Blurryface did really feels like the beginning and end of the cycle. Again though, I think everything in this video is fantastic and that it is intentional that it connects. It's just that it was made to connect after the fact, imo.
See I've heard that too (don't recall if I've ever actually seen/heard the interview - lol thanks chemo brain) But like the creator of this video said, we now know vessel is part of the lore for sure because of the red tape being on the album cover, etc. So it does make me wonder...
I honestly think that Tyler has had the story in his head for years, even prior to Self Titled. In Drown from No Phun Intended he says "But it’s more of a cry ‘cause he will try nine times To realize nine crimes but he has more than nine lives So he picks himself up and keeps climbing for the prize again" Which brings up the significance of 9
I think Tyler backtracked and brought forward some ideas to incorporate into newer stuff. He’s an artist and gets to do or say whatever he wants about his own work. As fans we get to interpret however we want.
I haven’t even watched the whole video yet but I just wanna say… THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT “REGIONAL AT BEST”!! It’s my favorite album, and it makes me really sad when people overlook it, so thank you for talking about its connections to the lore because I believe there are many!
Ruby was a disable girl that Josh and Tyler knew at church. The girl always brought them happiness Tyler said during interviews and thats why they wrote the song. Not saying there's a Dema narrative in that song, but I think this a stand alone song. I could be wrong because this was about 6 years ago when I remember hearing that, i think it was on the song professor or something.
Yes, I read that also! However, I do think many TOP songs which we know to be in the canon of the lore have double meanings - a meaning which relates to the story and a meaning which relates to our world. For instance, many of the songs from Scaled and Icy can been viewed this way.
Excellent points! Id heard people talking about how tyler said the lore starts with blurryface, but now we know thats not true and that vessel is included. So maybe one day we find out that RAB is too, maybe even self titled as well. There are definitely a lot of parallels. When i was reading the newest clancy letters it made me think of march to the sea from self titled.
Isle of flightless birds could be a reference to dema for sure, and not only that but a car a torch a death is very much outlining the story of, HDS being a car, Jumpsuit/Levitate being torch, and SAI being an anagram for Clancy is Dead.
@@jjobeyy before sai was even released they threw a lot of hints that were OBVIOUSLY saying that sai is propaganda and the livestream was the exact same day of the release, it was all planned
The only problem I have with this is the end of Anathema. These lyrics come from one of Tyler’s earlier solo albums, No Phun Intended, on the song Blasphemy. It could be that there are parts of the lore that are based upon those lyrics, but it doesn’t seem too likely. The rest of the RAB theory is really interesting though, and I look forward to seeing more theories about this. Overall, this video was very well made. Thank you for sharing your theories.
Yes! That is a very good point. But, we know with 100% certainty that Vessel is part of the lore. And a verse of Ode to Sleep is from No Phun Intended. The entire song Trees was part of that solo album. (At least, as far as we can tell. It was definitely written by Tyler around that time period.) Would you say those pieces are not part of the lore also?
@planetgd the 2nd verse on the song "Just Like Yesterday" was reused as the 2nd verse on Ode To Sleep (although he changed it a little bit to flow better for Ode)
The trees of Trech could simply be his "tree house" his "home" that he wants to go to. In the end of the video for Overcompensate, josh and Tyler (with glowing eyes) are smiling at a fire in front of them we cannot see, but you see the embers and the wavy image of the gas burning and the reflection of the fire on Tyler's Face. They are happy about the fire. Tyler just admitted Clancy created a firey diversion (HeavyDirtySoul) to escape. So did the car burn down a portion of Trench? Did it burn down the Dema City? The car was on fire, but clearly something more significant burnt down as well, near water, as Josh was pullin the little boat. They had on the clothes from the end of the Outside video. The kids had torches on the other side and signaled to them. Did the kids burn it down?
Interesting. I assumed that the fires they saw related to the fires of the Bandito's camp in the latest of Clancy's letters. But you raise some interesting questions!
Hi, great to see this. Even though no connection has been established i always thought holding on to you has a lot of imagery that is later used in trench. Especially the mountain range of my left-side brain. The left side brain is connected with creativity. Sahlo folina is used to express this love of creativity. And the map of trench, the mountains, look like a brain. and second, maybe a bit weaker, but: "You are surrounding all my surroundings Twisting the kaleidoscope behind both of my eyes" might have somethign to do with the island of violence that was something he xescribed as behind his eyelids. Or what we now know as Voldsoy. Maybe i am reading to much into this one. It is also very plausible he just uses the same metaphore of the brain being behind the eyes multiple times. just like he describes his brain as begind his face and above his throat. the last thing he said in holding onto you was: You think twice about your life, it probably happens at night, right? this is literally the same as in overcompensate: Don't fall asleep on a boy who can't fall asleep twice. it is the being late up in bed. All in all i do not think regional at best is in any way essential to the lore, but the imagery later portrayed was already used.
I wish I had the brain power to write out everything I want to say right now but I don't. I will say this, I think the biggest clues come from a song you didn't mention and that is the track Clear. "I wish that I had two faces to prove which theory works, yelling on the street corner or cleverly masking your words". He knew he had a choice to make and he chose the one that he thought he could reach more people with. I don't think there is lore in the earlier works but I do think that's when the idea to create Dema and Trench was born and more importantly WHY it had to be created. The story is mult-layered. While on the surface, it can be interpreted as struggles with mental health and fighting your way out of your own mind prison, there is a deeper layer. At it's core, the story is an allegory for the Gospel. It is the tale of two kingdoms. Dema is this world of Darkness that ultimately leads to self destruction. Trench is the Kingdom of God, where you find things like true freedom, hope, joy, peace, and love. All the things the Banditos represent. "Your Soul knows Good and Evil, your soul knows both sides, it's time you pick your battles, and I promise you this is mine" . I know many fans may not want to acknowledge this deeper level. And that's ok. Like Tyler says in Clear "I will tell you what I can, but your mind will take a stand, I sing of a Greater Love, let me know when you've had enough"
i was really hoping that we would at least get the vessel remastered versions on streaming considering they went out of their way to include them on the 10th anniversary vinyl but unfortunately that hasnt happend. i am still really holding out hope that we do eventually see regional at best make some sort of appearance on streaming, whether it be the original versions, the vessel remasters, or a completely new remaster
as far as we know the track ruby specifically was actually about a girl with a disability that tyler had written the song for and played at the church they went to i wouldn’t rule it out that could be linked to the lore but it also could’ve been a song that was really just about a disabled girl who loved listening to tyler sing at church!!
It's important to note that the rap verse in Anathema is reused from the song, 'Blasphemy' from No Phun Intended, Tyler's first album released in 2007. Dema is based around Tyler's depression it seems, and it can show, especially with the City and the Forest sections of the Self-Titled album cover. Forests (In My Opinion) have always symbolized the Bandito group, even with the song (that's right, from regional at best!) Forest where it says, "Down in the Forest, We'll Sing a Chorus" is seen to be reused for a similar meaning in The Hype, with the lines "No I don't know which way I'm going, but I can hear my way around". Another thing to point out when it comes to forests is that almost all of the Continent of Trench is forest-mountainous land. I skipped another line because I currently don't remember it right now lol. The only part of the Continent of Trench that isn't Forest is (of course) The Municipality of Dema. There's not much more to note of Dema, because we already know enough with plenty of theories being made as you read this. The other important thing that I want to note here is how it all sort of ties together with the Self-Titled album cover, as you can see these fantasy Forests and City being made from a mind. An open minded human. Clancy? Maybe, but I'd say it's just Tyler, because this is pre-blurryface era, so it's Tyler's mind, but I'd like to imagine that it's Clancy so I can prove my point. Dema isn't real. Trench isn't real. There's no Hero, nor is there Villain. It's Clancy. Pretty sleeper. His twisted thoughts are like snow on the rooftops, aka., harmless. It's all just a simulation of a dead person. Who is it that's dead though? Keons? Wait, what if Clancy is dead? What if the man in the Self-Titled album cover is Clancy? After all, it's a representation of Tyler's thoughts, and we know that Tyler is Clancy. We also see Trash the Dragon die with Keons and get controlled by Clancy. What if Keons is alive and Clancy is dead? What if Twenty One Pilots as a band is propaganda. What if What if What EVER!!! USE THIS AS A THEORY! IM BAD AT MAKING THEORIES AND THIS TOOK ME AN HOUR TO WRITE!!! IF IT MEANS ANYTHING AT ALL YOU MIGHT AS WELL USE IT!!! ugh....😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
6:59 see I heard from a few sources Ruby was actually the name of a girl Tyler met years ago who had a disability and he made a song about her. I didn’t see anything confirming these statements, it is most likely true though, but if it isnt, then could be interesting to see a new character, possibly Jenna. EVEN STILL it could happen regardless outside of relating to ‘Ruby’. Could be a stretch. Definitely an interesting theory. Another thing to say is suppose if that was to happen, we’d have missed Jennas appearance playing a part of the lore in ‘Saturday’ because she could have been that character, and she also had her hair dyed pink in it. In the new album set to release, ‘The Craving’ (Jennas Version) we might be introduced to a new character but who knows 🤷
With the "rather play a song for the eyes to sing along" and the "treehouse is on fire ... gas on my hands ... not what I had planned" and the name of Clancy 1 being Overcompensate (and maybe also 3 being Backslide), these make me wonder if there will be some major overcompensation that ends up burning some of the bandito's homeland or maybe having the general population in Dema be kept there longer than originally intended, with plans for burning Dema that end up backfiring.
So I know I’m so late, but with Clancy fully released I have a theory about how the forest lyrics played into this. So in the lyrics of navigating, Tyler (technically Clancy) is singing about dodging questions and how he’s not sure of the future and how he’s not sure how to respond to the present. Not what he had planned. Also it’s the only song with burning trees.
no way he could have thought about all of this back then. I think that he has just added aspects of his older albums into the dema lore. not vice versa
Anathema has two meanings but the one I'm interested in is the one that states "a formal curse by a pope or a council of the Church, excommunicating a person or denouncing a doctrine." I haven't seen anyone talk about this yet its so right in front of your face.
I would say the narrative objectively started with Blurryface but self titled and regional at best can be viewed as non-canon insight to what Tyler has in mind for the Dema narrative. Kind of like looking at deleted scenes in a movie or show, you can see the writer or directors vision for the story even if they're not canon to the story's narrative, and their absence in the story's narrative also gives you insight because it shows what they wanted to pivot from or explore later. Like I definitely agree some of the songs in regional at best definitely parallel Scaled and Icy. Glowing Eyes showing Clancy's hesitation to try and escape, instead choosing to play and perform for the bishops is pretty solid. Not to say Glowing Eyes was always intended to be that, but just that Tyler pulled from the same feelings he had at the time of writing Glowing Eyes when he was making the Dema narrative. I hope that made sense.
Sorry, about to go on a tangent, I have no clue if what i'm seeing here means anything, take this with a grain of salt, I'm only conceptualizing. I'm not sure what significance the song Ruby will have coming up but I do know that Tyler and Jenna have had 2 little girls. Their first child they named her Rosie (very similar to Ruby even down to the color the name represents, Red.) In the Discord Clique video from 3 years ago ( just watched it yesterday so im still processing what Tyler had said during the call.) At 33:35 Tyler gets asked about his immediate family, it's obvious that his wife and at the time 1 child were and still are a source of happiness and comfort for him, then at 40:42 a discord member sparks up this conversation> "Okay I was worried you wouldn't have wanted to talk about that because I feel like now since like I don't know ever since it was it was announced it was like spread like wildfire so I'm sure you get asked about it all the time. Yeah and again lick the line between your personal life and your public life and not knowing like what lines can be crossed what can be talked about not talked about during like this little thing this new development here."..-.." This is the most normal conversation I've had with anyone except for my immediate family in a long time. And so in that sense yeah the fame and the baggage that comes with it does start to get old. Now as far as like how much of my family and personal life do I want to to show? I think that when we first started coming up >>>>We rubbed shoulders with a lot of bands and artists that were famous that their strategy was like 'take them out of it don't show you know don't show your kids don't show your wife like keep everyone at bay and you're you're the face of of the thing that you're doing' at least that's kind of the vibe that I got from a lot of the people that I started interacting with, and it just didn't feel right. I think that's you know putting my daughter in a music video that was the first time you know she's like she was like two months old... will she will she be mad at me someday? I don't know.. I didn't ask her permission.. and I hope that I didn't do anything wrong.. so we'll see.."-"...I'm not just doing that because you know some marketing ploy, it's like I I'm so proud of my of my family and the people in my life I want them to be a part of what I'm doing. I want them to you know meet the other people that are you know fans of this music. And I mean that's what we've been doing you know from the beginning.. You know obviously with stressed out having like our whole family in it my mom still gets people walking up to her " Hey! Your in that video!".. Props to announcing the pregnancy in Berlin by the way that was a good choice of good choice of city. Yeah that was a last-minute thing you know. We we knew for a few... I forget exactly how far along Jenna was when when we did that but.. there was this I don't know such a buildup of like how to announce it and when to announce it. I think right before I went onstage.. I told I told Jay I was like "let's do it let's just let me just say just be side Stage for in between this song and this song." she's like "what do you mean?" I was like "just beside stage between this song and this song" and I think she knew what that meant.. but I didn't really tell her.. and then and then I just went with it.. and that's how we announced it.. brought her out on stage.. and um whatever.. I'm realizing now I didn't really ask like if she was cool with it.. yeah she goes with the flow"
How isn't this more famous!?? While I do think the probability of Ruby becoming a new character is low, I do believe they get a lot of inspiration from their old songs, for sure! Thank you so much for this video!!!
I have a theory that this lore overlap comes for two main reasons. The first is that Tyler could be tying in lore references to previous work specifically to give fans more lore to uncover with each release. The second is that this is a result of a sort of “intellectual watermark;” since Tyler has always been the core creative control behind the band, he comes up with the lyrics, themes, and motifs. A notable example of this is the motif of eyes in their music. From obvious songs like Glowing Eyes and the repeated mention of eyes in the lyrics in Tyler’s solo track, Blasphemy, eyes have always been in Tyler’s music. Now yellow eyes are lore-relevant, and their album covers have red tape over the eyes I think it’s a bit of a stretch to look back to Blasphemy, for example, and say that it’s part of the lore because it mentions eyes. After all, Tyler wrote that track in high school. He also reuses lyrics such as in the raps in Blasphemy and Anathema, so reusing motifs makes total sense. Now, Tyler does a TON of planning, but I strongly doubt that he wrote Regional at Best with the Dema storyline in mind. It would be cool though!
I feel like Tyler probably always used at least a vague idea of the bishops and Dema to compartmentalize or identify different parts of his mental health. I remember writing a poem when I was a teenager about an ice queen who would call me her dear but grab me by the throat and trap me and tell me how terrible I was---it was really about fear (oh myspace days). It's almost a way to make the fear into something that isn't yourself, something that is happening to you, that isn't your fault, that you can fight against. So it wouldn't surprise me if Tyler has carried these themes for a long time and fleshed them out into full characters and gave them stories. I still feel like this new album is giving me "becoming the thing you are fighting" vibes so far. It's really a warning. You can get yourself so behind a cause that you lose yourself and turn to violence (red) and lose hope (yellow). That's not how the story will end though 😉 we know that.
This might be kinda obvious but i think when he talks about a treehouse on fire i think he is talking about vialising one of the bishops to light one of the towers on fire. The lyric is what i think is a quote from one of the 9 now 8's mouth. (if it wasnt clear treehouse in this case is a metaphor for tower)
Hello, I am a fascinated outside observer of the clique and Dema lore. I have uncovered all the secrets in secret, and I have a strange feeling you know more than you lead on...
I really don’t think they’ve done a one piece and have been planning this since like 2011, I think at most they included details that reference their earlier work. They also said on the vessel 10th anniversary livestream they the don’t really consider rab to even be an album
so i often find myself thinking about all this dema story has to be so much more than just the narrative of this city and the bishops etc. (i‘m not fluent in english so it‘s really hard for me to truly understand all the lyrics in their meaning) and that it’s tylers (or clancy‘s) mental work throw all his traumas. so what role would ned play? he hands him the tools to fight the bishops (or his inner demons??). so could it be that ned repressants like a person that helped him to fight his demons? like a therapist or his wife? thank you so much for the video ❤❤
Love the video, please do one on self titled if possible. Some of the things that are appearing in the last few albums are the 9 colors of saturation leaking from ST album cover, the city which could be Dema, the treehouse as you mentioned. Also a car a torch a death which refers to blurry face, trench, SAI (propaganda) and Clancy. Another thing is the ceiling fan on ST cover looks like the map of Dema with the different sectors. Taxi cab as well may play some part in the blurry face music video. There is so much to unpack when it comes to self titled relating to the newer albums.
Idk where else to put this but i wanted to point out the different mentions of the island, In Migraine they mention a island with suicide crazed lions, and in my blood they mention a lion's den it made me think these are references to the Island of Voldsoy where they ended up after Saturday mv
So I’ve heard that Tyler was possibly inspired by 1984 by George Orwell. In the mv for Cancer there are a lot of books and you can clearly see 1984 many times. (Also the yellow roses from the trench era are seen in the video in black and white) Anyways George Orwell moved to a small Scottish island after his wife died and that is where he wrote most of 1984 while dealing with his emotions due to the loss. The island is called Jura and has a very small population. Anyways it got me thinking of being scaled back and isolated on an island. Not sure if it is relevant, but I just wanted to share it.
If Tyler said that all records have included something about Dema, isn’t there concrete eveidence in Trapdoor? I believe we have seen a gravestone with the name Clancy on it so In Trapdoor when he says “Nobody knows his real name but now he just uses one he saw on a grave” would that be referring to Clancy choosing that name to potentially hide himself? Also later in the song during the chorus, would the line “watch him fall through a bleeding trapdoor” refer to the overcompensate music video where the residents of Dema see that Clancy “disappeared” through a “trapdoor” which was the citizen of Dema that he possessed to get the message to the Dema citizens, showing that he “disappeared” and was never really there?
Very good thoughts. I do agree that the self-titled album contains much evidence of lore - and am working on a video discussing that. Also, while I agree that the theory of a name on a grave being where Clancy got his name is very intriguing, I do have any alterative theory...
Good video bro! Better theorizing than I could do. Also don’t know why but for some reason when I saw you I thought you looked like Buzz from Home Alone.
Okay, I’m gonna be honest, I think this is a massive stretch and I’m pretty sure Tyler wasn’t even thinking about lore when he wrote RAB. First of, the 9 theory with RAB is such a weird reach, there are also 4 songs on RAB that were bonus songs on Vessel, yet you don’t remove those. Also, if anything, these reaches just go to show that the underlying metaphor or mental health has always been present, and Tyler has continued using similar metaphors. I do not think RAB or Self Titled, or Vessel for that matter have any relevance to the lore, but I think when Tyler began constructing the lore, he took inspiration from last metaphors and ideas he used and made them more literal. When he said dema has been there from the start or whatever, I think he simply meant that as dema is a metaphor for mental health struggles, he is saying that his mental health problems have been a large influence on his music from the start and so ideas that are now a part of the lore we’re present back then as well.
I may be wrong but, I was also thinking that there was some kind of connection with forest cause in the past we have never seen a for forest on the map of Trench or in any of the videos until the now release of Overcompensate. Now that you also mention the burning treehouse it made me think what if the thing on fire that we don't get to see is burning treehouse (Although I'm pretty sure I'm reaching on that one). Also after the release of the new song it made me go back to Levitate because it is the only other song that mentions the word "Compensate" referring that it is "Compensation feels a lot like rising up to dominate" and with the line right after saying "By track two" makes me think something major is happening with the second track on Clancy
@@perligo Okay i was doing some more looking for hints and came up with another theory. In the video for Overcompensate when all the citizens are filing in and sitting, I noticed there were two people are already in there sitting. The girl looks kind of annoyed of being there the boy I couldn't tell. But I'm wondering if they are like the bishops trusted people and they report back to them. When everyone gets up to head to the classroom the girl is no longer seen for the rest of the video, so she probably went and told the bishops what Clancy/Tyler was doing. But the boy by the end of the video is wearing yellow tape. So, either Clancy/Tyler won the boy over or perhaps the boy is pretending to now be with the banditos as a way to be on the inside and be able to report to the bishops about plans they are coming up with to defeat the bishops.
While I do think that any lore earlier than Blurryface was probably not intentional at the time it was written, I also am pretty convinced that they intentionally tied these thing into the narrative now. There are too many commonalities for it to be coincidence
I think you’re reaching, but maybe. For instance I don’t think Ruby is involved at all, Ruby was the name of a specific person Tyler actually knew, i don’t think the song has anything to do with the story, as none of the song that have related to real people have a role in it other then subtle nods. And I don’t think Tyler would take something as sweet as a song for this little girl he knew would be made into something as dark as the dema story. As for the treehouse, i like the idea of Clancy maybe going overboard with the fire and accidentally doing something he shouldn’t, but fire in the Dema story seems to represent freedom and passion, not destruction. Also glowing eyes and anathema are about inner demons. So maybe they have a bigger roll, but not all of the bands songs that are about mental health tie into the story. Also 2, 9 could just be 29, again referring to february 29th
so, since the “i part my heart two halves in the dark….” is taken from tyler’s no phun intended…. does that mean that no phun intended is also dema lore???
@perligo there is so much lore tucked away in the earlier songs. Also in trapdoor when he says he uses a name he saw on a grave, I wondered if that's where the name Clancy came from.
Aight so the idea that RAB vessel or self titled were made with lore involved is total BS. Its completely reasonable that they're making references like anathema while building the story, not the other way around. numbers are easy to get lost with with "lines to draw"
I think vessel is connected to the dema story. That's why the album cover has the red tape asking with the other albums connected to the story. The only album on spotify with no tape is self titled. I think the album name vessel is an obvious hint to the vessel needed for vialism and the ability to control an empty body
Ruby probably doesnt fit into the story, its probably a standalone. I remember reading way back during vessel era that Ruby was written about a girl Tyler went to church with as a kid
Yes, I read that also. However, I do think many TOP songs which we know to be in the canon of the lore have double meanings - a meaning which relates to the story and a meaning which relates to our world. Many of the songs from Scaled and Icy can been viewed this way.
I have been listening to Tylers lyrics non-stop since the days of Blasphemy and Drown. And it is very clear the lore started at Blurryface tied to a couple verses and imagery from Vessel. Im a hardcore fanboy but this video makes zero sense.
Sorry,I didn’t mean to say album, but there has been speculation about inferno for a while in discord and on other platforms. This was before any track list or singles came out, like overcompensate and next semester, Basically I was trying to say to say ,“There is a song called inferno speculated to be a extra song for the new album”. Sorry for the mix up
Tyler himself has said in interviews that the lore started with blurryface. However, I think the entire story of the lore is built on the same foundation that he wrote all of his earlier work in that the story was created in a way for him to address the topics that he used to address more straightforwardly.
Do you remember which interview he said that in? Because we know without any doubt now that Vessel is part of the story.
@@perligo I'd have to search for it. Again, I think every album is connected. However, Blurryface is when the lore became intentional but I think Tyler used all his previous work to outline this narrative. This is why Vessel, regional at Best, and Twenty One Pilots (self-titled) are more straightforward and Blurryface and everything since has been more cryptic. I think you're right to think everything is connected. I just think it's semantics of when the story officially began.
Also Clancy coming out 9 years to the day Blurryface did really feels like the beginning and end of the cycle. Again though, I think everything in this video is fantastic and that it is intentional that it connects. It's just that it was made to connect after the fact, imo.
Gotcha! Yeah, that definitely makes sense. It's a good point. Thanks for clarifying!
See I've heard that too (don't recall if I've ever actually seen/heard the interview - lol thanks chemo brain)
But like the creator of this video said, we now know vessel is part of the lore for sure because of the red tape being on the album cover, etc. So it does make me wonder...
I honestly think that Tyler has had the story in his head for years, even prior to Self Titled.
In Drown from No Phun Intended he says
"But it’s more of a cry ‘cause he will try nine times
To realize nine crimes but he has more than nine lives
So he picks himself up and keeps climbing for the prize again"
Which brings up the significance of 9
Wow. It's been a bit since I last listened to No Phun Intended - but I think I need to revisit it now.
I think Tyler backtracked and brought forward some ideas to incorporate into newer stuff. He’s an artist and gets to do or say whatever he wants about his own work. As fans we get to interpret however we want.
This is fantastic!! Thank you for sharing this. Not many people see this connection. I’m so happy to see others do! 🧡🍀
Thanks! Glad I'm not the only one haha
I haven’t even watched the whole video yet but I just wanna say…
THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT “REGIONAL AT BEST”!!
It’s my favorite album, and it makes me really sad when people overlook it, so thank you for talking about its connections to the lore because I believe there are many!
Yes, I was surprised by how hard it is to find other people discussing it.
It's my favorite of their albums too! First CD I ever bought
Ruby was a disable girl that Josh and Tyler knew at church. The girl always brought them happiness Tyler said during interviews and thats why they wrote the song. Not saying there's a Dema narrative in that song, but I think this a stand alone song. I could be wrong because this was about 6 years ago when I remember hearing that, i think it was on the song professor or something.
Yes, I read that also! However, I do think many TOP songs which we know to be in the canon of the lore have double meanings - a meaning which relates to the story and a meaning which relates to our world. For instance, many of the songs from Scaled and Icy can been viewed this way.
@@perligoTear in my Heart too.
Thank you for this video!
Glowing Eyes does seem sort of relevant..
Excellent points! Id heard people talking about how tyler said the lore starts with blurryface, but now we know thats not true and that vessel is included. So maybe one day we find out that RAB is too, maybe even self titled as well. There are definitely a lot of parallels. When i was reading the newest clancy letters it made me think of march to the sea from self titled.
So true! There is plenty to explore in self-titled also. I've just seen more people bring that up, so I felt less need to explore it in this video.
Isle of flightless birds could be a reference to dema for sure, and not only that but a car a torch a death is very much outlining the story of, HDS being a car, Jumpsuit/Levitate being torch, and SAI being an anagram for Clancy is Dead.
its all revisionism lol, i doubt scaled and icy was even included as 'being forced to make music for people' until it got such a shit reception
@@jjobeyy before sai was even released they threw a lot of hints that were OBVIOUSLY saying that sai is propaganda and the livestream was the exact same day of the release, it was all planned
@@jjobeyyit is all planned.
The only problem I have with this is the end of Anathema. These lyrics come from one of Tyler’s earlier solo albums, No Phun Intended, on the song Blasphemy. It could be that there are parts of the lore that are based upon those lyrics, but it doesn’t seem too likely. The rest of the RAB theory is really interesting though, and I look forward to seeing more theories about this.
Overall, this video was very well made. Thank you for sharing your theories.
Yes! That is a very good point.
But, we know with 100% certainty that Vessel is part of the lore. And a verse of Ode to Sleep is from No Phun Intended. The entire song Trees was part of that solo album. (At least, as far as we can tell. It was definitely written by Tyler around that time period.)
Would you say those pieces are not part of the lore also?
@@perligo Wait really? What song did the part of Ode to Sleep come from? That’s super cool!
@planetgd the 2nd verse on the song "Just Like Yesterday" was reused as the 2nd verse on Ode To Sleep (although he changed it a little bit to flow better for Ode)
Exactly
Yes, that's a really good point.
The room was painted pink, it was “redecorated” one might say.
Indeed!
The trees of Trech could simply be his "tree house" his "home" that he wants to go to. In the end of the video for Overcompensate, josh and Tyler (with glowing eyes) are smiling at a fire in front of them we cannot see, but you see the embers and the wavy image of the gas burning and the reflection of the fire on Tyler's Face. They are happy about the fire. Tyler just admitted Clancy created a firey diversion (HeavyDirtySoul) to escape. So did the car burn down a portion of Trench? Did it burn down the Dema City? The car was on fire, but clearly something more significant burnt down as well, near water, as Josh was pullin the little boat. They had on the clothes from the end of the Outside video. The kids had torches on the other side and signaled to them. Did the kids burn it down?
Interesting. I assumed that the fires they saw related to the fires of the Bandito's camp in the latest of Clancy's letters. But you raise some interesting questions!
I feel like these are some really good ideas, like their overcompensation is hurting not just the Bishops, but some friendly people as well.
Hi, great to see this. Even though no connection has been established i always thought holding on to you has a lot of imagery that is later used in trench.
Especially the mountain range of my left-side brain. The left side brain is connected with creativity. Sahlo folina is used to express this love of creativity.
And the map of trench, the mountains, look like a brain.
and second, maybe a bit weaker, but: "You are surrounding all my surroundings Twisting the kaleidoscope behind both of my eyes" might have somethign to do with the island of violence that was something he xescribed as behind his eyelids. Or what we now know as Voldsoy.
Maybe i am reading to much into this one. It is also very plausible he just uses the same metaphore of the brain being behind the eyes multiple times. just like he describes his brain as begind his face and above his throat.
the last thing he said in holding onto you was: You think twice about your life, it probably happens at night, right?
this is literally the same as in overcompensate: Don't fall asleep on a boy who can't fall asleep twice. it is the being late up in bed.
All in all i do not think regional at best is in any way essential to the lore, but the imagery later portrayed was already used.
Lovely was actually re recorded for releases in some countries
I wish I had the brain power to write out everything I want to say right now but I don't. I will say this, I think the biggest clues come from a song you didn't mention and that is the track Clear. "I wish that I had two faces to prove which theory works, yelling on the street corner or cleverly masking your words". He knew he had a choice to make and he chose the one that he thought he could reach more people with. I don't think there is lore in the earlier works but I do think that's when the idea to create Dema and Trench was born and more importantly WHY it had to be created. The story is mult-layered. While on the surface, it can be interpreted as struggles with mental health and fighting your way out of your own mind prison, there is a deeper layer. At it's core, the story is an allegory for the Gospel. It is the tale of two kingdoms. Dema is this world of Darkness that ultimately leads to self destruction. Trench is the Kingdom of God, where you find things like true freedom, hope, joy, peace, and love. All the things the Banditos represent. "Your Soul knows Good and Evil, your soul knows both sides, it's time you pick your battles, and I promise you this is mine" . I know many fans may not want to acknowledge this deeper level. And that's ok. Like Tyler says in Clear "I will tell you what I can, but your mind will take a stand, I sing of a Greater Love, let me know when you've had enough"
Very true!
i genuinely did NOT think about this this is crazy im so excited rn
I hope this means we get a rerelease of these songs
That would be wonderful.
i was really hoping that we would at least get the vessel remastered versions on streaming considering they went out of their way to include them on the 10th anniversary vinyl but unfortunately that hasnt happend. i am still really holding out hope that we do eventually see regional at best make some sort of appearance on streaming, whether it be the original versions, the vessel remasters, or a completely new remaster
Yeah. You can only find them on physical media currently.
I would be so happy to have regional at best be accessible in our lives ❤
as far as we know the track ruby specifically was actually about a girl with a disability that tyler had written the song for and played at the church they went to i wouldn’t rule it out that could be linked to the lore but it also could’ve been a song that was really just about a disabled girl who loved listening to tyler sing at church!!
It's important to note that the rap verse in Anathema is reused from the song, 'Blasphemy' from No Phun Intended, Tyler's first album released in 2007. Dema is based around Tyler's depression it seems, and it can show, especially with the City and the Forest sections of the Self-Titled album cover. Forests (In My Opinion) have always symbolized the Bandito group, even with the song (that's right, from regional at best!) Forest where it says, "Down in the Forest, We'll Sing a Chorus" is seen to be reused for a similar meaning in The Hype, with the lines "No I don't know which way I'm going, but I can hear my way around". Another thing to point out when it comes to forests is that almost all of the Continent of Trench is forest-mountainous land. I skipped another line because I currently don't remember it right now lol. The only part of the Continent of Trench that isn't Forest is (of course) The Municipality of Dema. There's not much more to note of Dema, because we already know enough with plenty of theories being made as you read this. The other important thing that I want to note here is how it all sort of ties together with the Self-Titled album cover, as you can see these fantasy Forests and City being made from a mind. An open minded human. Clancy? Maybe, but I'd say it's just Tyler, because this is pre-blurryface era, so it's Tyler's mind, but I'd like to imagine that it's Clancy so I can prove my point. Dema isn't real. Trench isn't real. There's no Hero, nor is there Villain. It's Clancy. Pretty sleeper. His twisted thoughts are like snow on the rooftops, aka., harmless. It's all just a simulation of a dead person. Who is it that's dead though? Keons? Wait, what if Clancy is dead? What if the man in the Self-Titled album cover is Clancy? After all, it's a representation of Tyler's thoughts, and we know that Tyler is Clancy. We also see Trash the Dragon die with Keons and get controlled by Clancy. What if Keons is alive and Clancy is dead? What if Twenty One Pilots as a band is propaganda. What if What if What EVER!!! USE THIS AS A THEORY! IM BAD AT MAKING THEORIES AND THIS TOOK ME AN HOUR TO WRITE!!! IF IT MEANS ANYTHING AT ALL YOU MIGHT AS WELL USE IT!!! ugh....😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
6:59 see I heard from a few sources Ruby was actually the name of a girl Tyler met years ago who had a disability and he made a song about her.
I didn’t see anything confirming these statements, it is most likely true though, but if it isnt, then could be interesting to see a new character, possibly Jenna. EVEN STILL it could happen regardless outside of relating to ‘Ruby’. Could be a stretch.
Definitely an interesting theory. Another thing to say is suppose if that was to happen, we’d have missed Jennas appearance playing a part of the lore in ‘Saturday’ because she could have been that character, and she also had her hair dyed pink in it. In the new album set to release, ‘The Craving’ (Jennas Version) we might be introduced to a new character but who knows 🤷
With the "rather play a song for the eyes to sing along" and the "treehouse is on fire ... gas on my hands ... not what I had planned" and the name of Clancy 1 being Overcompensate (and maybe also 3 being Backslide), these make me wonder if there will be some major overcompensation that ends up burning some of the bandito's homeland or maybe having the general population in Dema be kept there longer than originally intended, with plans for burning Dema that end up backfiring.
Very true. Good thoughts!
So I know I’m so late, but with Clancy fully released I have a theory about how the forest lyrics played into this. So in the lyrics of navigating, Tyler (technically Clancy) is singing about dodging questions and how he’s not sure of the future and how he’s not sure how to respond to the present. Not what he had planned. Also it’s the only song with burning trees.
no way he could have thought about all of this back then. I think that he has just added aspects of his older albums into the dema lore. not vice versa
Anathema has two meanings but the one I'm interested in is the one that states "a formal curse by a pope or a council of the Church, excommunicating a person or denouncing a doctrine." I haven't seen anyone talk about this yet its so right in front of your face.
What do you think the relevance is of that to DEMA?
I would say the narrative objectively started with Blurryface but self titled and regional at best can be viewed as non-canon insight to what Tyler has in mind for the Dema narrative. Kind of like looking at deleted scenes in a movie or show, you can see the writer or directors vision for the story even if they're not canon to the story's narrative, and their absence in the story's narrative also gives you insight because it shows what they wanted to pivot from or explore later. Like I definitely agree some of the songs in regional at best definitely parallel Scaled and Icy. Glowing Eyes showing Clancy's hesitation to try and escape, instead choosing to play and perform for the bishops is pretty solid. Not to say Glowing Eyes was always intended to be that, but just that Tyler pulled from the same feelings he had at the time of writing Glowing Eyes when he was making the Dema narrative. I hope that made sense.
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Thanks!
Affff I love this!!!! I hope it is so because I want Tyler to keep some things about the lore more mysterious.
Yes, me too!
What about Tyler's solo Album No Phun Intended is that also tied into Dema aswell?
Maybe...I wouldn't argue for that, but I do think it is a possibility!
Sorry, about to go on a tangent, I have no clue if what i'm seeing here means anything, take this with a grain of salt, I'm only conceptualizing.
I'm not sure what significance the song Ruby will have coming up but I do know that Tyler and Jenna have had 2 little girls. Their first child they named her Rosie (very similar to Ruby even down to the color the name represents, Red.)
In the Discord Clique video from 3 years ago ( just watched it yesterday so im still processing what Tyler had said during the call.) At 33:35 Tyler gets asked about his immediate family, it's obvious that his wife and at the time 1 child were and still are a source of happiness and comfort for him, then at 40:42 a discord member sparks up this conversation>
"Okay I was worried you wouldn't have wanted to talk about that because I feel like now since like I don't know ever since it was it was announced it was like spread like wildfire so I'm sure you get asked about it all the time. Yeah and again lick the line between your personal life and your public life and not knowing like what lines can be crossed what can be talked about not talked about during like this little thing this new development here."..-.." This is the most normal conversation I've had with anyone except for my immediate family in a long time. And so in that sense yeah the fame and the baggage that comes with it does start to get old. Now as far as like how much of my family and personal life do I want to to show? I think that when we first started coming up
>>>>We rubbed shoulders with a lot of bands and artists that were famous that their strategy was like 'take them out of it don't show you know don't show your kids don't show your wife like keep everyone at bay and you're you're the face of of the thing that you're doing' at least that's kind of the vibe that I got from a lot of the people that I started interacting with, and it just didn't feel right. I think that's you know putting my daughter in a music video that was the first time you know she's like she was like two months old... will she will she be mad at me someday? I don't know.. I didn't ask her permission.. and I hope that I didn't do anything wrong.. so we'll see.."-"...I'm not just doing that because you know some marketing ploy, it's like I I'm so proud of my of my family and the people in my life I want them to be a part of what I'm doing. I want them to you know meet the other people that are you know fans of this music. And I mean that's what we've been doing you know from the beginning.. You know obviously with stressed out having like our whole family in it my mom still gets people walking up to her " Hey! Your in that video!".. Props to announcing the pregnancy in Berlin by the way that was a good choice of good choice of city. Yeah that was a last-minute thing you know. We we knew for a few... I forget exactly how far along Jenna was when when we did that but.. there was this I don't know such a buildup of like how to announce it and when to announce it. I think right before I went onstage.. I told I told Jay I was like "let's do it let's just let me just say just be side Stage for in between this song and this song." she's like "what do you mean?" I was like "just beside stage between this song and this song" and I think she knew what that meant.. but I didn't really tell her.. and then and then I just went with it.. and that's how we announced it.. brought her out on stage.. and um whatever.. I'm realizing now I didn't really ask like if she was cool with it.. yeah she goes with the flow"
Very interesting! Thank you very much for your thoughts.
Remember also Anathema, the rap is previously on Blasphemy on no phun intended
Fantastic video and theories… most very plausible - well done
Thanks!
How isn't this more famous!?? While I do think the probability of Ruby becoming a new character is low, I do believe they get a lot of inspiration from their old songs, for sure! Thank you so much for this video!!!
Thanks!
I have a theory that this lore overlap comes for two main reasons. The first is that Tyler could be tying in lore references to previous work specifically to give fans more lore to uncover with each release. The second is that this is a result of a sort of “intellectual watermark;” since Tyler has always been the core creative control behind the band, he comes up with the lyrics, themes, and motifs. A notable example of this is the motif of eyes in their music. From obvious songs like Glowing Eyes and the repeated mention of eyes in the lyrics in Tyler’s solo track, Blasphemy, eyes have always been in Tyler’s music. Now yellow eyes are lore-relevant, and their album covers have red tape over the eyes
I think it’s a bit of a stretch to look back to Blasphemy, for example, and say that it’s part of the lore because it mentions eyes. After all, Tyler wrote that track in high school. He also reuses lyrics such as in the raps in Blasphemy and Anathema, so reusing motifs makes total sense. Now, Tyler does a TON of planning, but I strongly doubt that he wrote Regional at Best with the Dema storyline in mind. It would be cool though!
Brooooooooo. What the fuuuuck 😂
I was like „nah, no chance that he’s right“
Then you drew the conclusion at 3:43 and it gave me fucking chills.
That was the goal :) Thanks for watching!
Great video! I haven’t researched it, but I think I heard that Ruby was actually a real person.
Yeah he wrote it for a girl in his ward that had down syndrome named Ruby
That was some amazing theorising!
I feel like Tyler probably always used at least a vague idea of the bishops and Dema to compartmentalize or identify different parts of his mental health. I remember writing a poem when I was a teenager about an ice queen who would call me her dear but grab me by the throat and trap me and tell me how terrible I was---it was really about fear (oh myspace days). It's almost a way to make the fear into something that isn't yourself, something that is happening to you, that isn't your fault, that you can fight against. So it wouldn't surprise me if Tyler has carried these themes for a long time and fleshed them out into full characters and gave them stories.
I still feel like this new album is giving me "becoming the thing you are fighting" vibes so far. It's really a warning. You can get yourself so behind a cause that you lose yourself and turn to violence (red) and lose hope (yellow). That's not how the story will end though 😉 we know that.
Side note: it's not fair to leave out Regional. It's like, all your other kids have been referenced and known lol. Give that one some attention
The way you spoke glowing eyes lyrics is so funny to me
Haha, thanks?
This might be kinda obvious but i think when he talks about a treehouse on fire i think he is talking about vialising one of the bishops to light one of the towers on fire. The lyric is what i think is a quote from one of the 9 now 8's mouth. (if it wasnt clear treehouse in this case is a metaphor for tower)
That's an interesting thought!
Hello, I am a fascinated outside observer of the clique and Dema lore. I have uncovered all the secrets in secret, and I have a strange feeling you know more than you lead on...
I really don’t think they’ve done a one piece and have been planning this since like 2011, I think at most they included details that reference their earlier work. They also said on the vessel 10th anniversary livestream they the don’t really consider rab to even be an album
When Cletus Kasady or Jerome Valeska do a video about twenty one pilots:
so i often find myself thinking about all this dema story has to be so much more than just the narrative of this city and the bishops etc. (i‘m not fluent in english so it‘s really hard for me to truly understand all the lyrics in their meaning) and that it’s tylers (or clancy‘s) mental work throw all his traumas. so what role would ned play? he hands him the tools to fight the bishops (or his inner demons??). so could it be that ned repressants like a person that helped him to fight his demons? like a therapist or his wife?
thank you so much for the video ❤❤
Yes. Those are all very good points. Definitely much more to uncover with Ned!
Very great theory!!!
Thanks!
THIS IS SO INTERESTING
1:45 it's 6 cause lovely was also re released
Love the video, please do one on self titled if possible. Some of the things that are appearing in the last few albums are the 9 colors of saturation leaking from ST album cover, the city which could be Dema, the treehouse as you mentioned. Also a car a torch a death which refers to blurry face, trench, SAI (propaganda) and Clancy. Another thing is the ceiling fan on ST cover looks like the map of Dema with the different sectors. Taxi cab as well may play some part in the blurry face music video. There is so much to unpack when it comes to self titled relating to the newer albums.
100% I definitely have plenty of thoughts on Self-Titled also, so that's in the works!
Idk where else to put this but i wanted to point out the different mentions of the island, In Migraine they mention a island with suicide crazed lions, and in my blood they mention a lion's den it made me think these are references to the Island of Voldsoy where they ended up after Saturday mv
So I’ve heard that Tyler was possibly inspired by 1984 by George Orwell. In the mv for Cancer there are a lot of books and you can clearly see 1984 many times. (Also the yellow roses from the trench era are seen in the video in black and white) Anyways George Orwell moved to a small Scottish island after his wife died and that is where he wrote most of 1984 while dealing with his emotions due to the loss. The island is called Jura and has a very small population. Anyways it got me thinking of being scaled back and isolated on an island. Not sure if it is relevant, but I just wanted to share it.
If Tyler said that all records have included something about Dema, isn’t there concrete eveidence in Trapdoor? I believe we have seen a gravestone with the name Clancy on it so In Trapdoor when he says “Nobody knows his real name but now he just uses one he saw on a grave” would that be referring to Clancy choosing that name to potentially hide himself? Also later in the song during the chorus, would the line “watch him fall through a bleeding trapdoor” refer to the overcompensate music video where the residents of Dema see that Clancy “disappeared” through a “trapdoor” which was the citizen of Dema that he possessed to get the message to the Dema citizens, showing that he “disappeared” and was never really there?
Very good thoughts. I do agree that the self-titled album contains much evidence of lore - and am working on a video discussing that. Also, while I agree that the theory of a name on a grave being where Clancy got his name is very intriguing, I do have any alterative theory...
Good video bro! Better theorizing than I could do. Also don’t know why but for some reason when I saw you I thought you looked like Buzz from Home Alone.
Thanks! Haha, I don't think I am...
This reminded me how much i love rab 😭
Good, haha
Maybe ruby is the girl seen wearing the mask and also was seized from clancy? She had red hair. In the overcompensate music video at the end.
Okay, I’m gonna be honest, I think this is a massive stretch and I’m pretty sure Tyler wasn’t even thinking about lore when he wrote RAB.
First of, the 9 theory with RAB is such a weird reach, there are also 4 songs on RAB that were bonus songs on Vessel, yet you don’t remove those.
Also, if anything, these reaches just go to show that the underlying metaphor or mental health has always been present, and Tyler has continued using similar metaphors. I do not think RAB or Self Titled, or Vessel for that matter have any relevance to the lore, but I think when Tyler began constructing the lore, he took inspiration from last metaphors and ideas he used and made them more literal. When he said dema has been there from the start or whatever, I think he simply meant that as dema is a metaphor for mental health struggles, he is saying that his mental health problems have been a large influence on his music from the start and so ideas that are now a part of the lore we’re present back then as well.
Is Ruby the unmasked girl at the end of Overcompensate?
nop.e
I may be wrong but, I was also thinking that there was some kind of connection with forest cause in the past we have never seen a for forest on the map of Trench or in any of the videos until the now release of Overcompensate. Now that you also mention the burning treehouse it made me think what if the thing on fire that we don't get to see is burning treehouse (Although I'm pretty sure I'm reaching on that one). Also after the release of the new song it made me go back to Levitate because it is the only other song that mentions the word "Compensate" referring that it is "Compensation feels a lot like rising up to dominate" and with the line right after saying "By track two" makes me think something major is happening with the second track on Clancy
Yes. So true. I was very happy to see a forest appear.
@@perligo Okay i was doing some more looking for hints and came up with another theory.
In the video for Overcompensate when all the citizens are filing in and sitting, I noticed there were two people are already in there sitting. The girl looks kind of annoyed of being there the boy I couldn't tell. But I'm wondering if they are like the bishops trusted people and they report back to them. When everyone gets up to head to the classroom the girl is no longer seen for the rest of the video, so she probably went and told the bishops what Clancy/Tyler was doing. But the boy by the end of the video is wearing yellow tape. So, either Clancy/Tyler won the boy over or perhaps the boy is pretending to now be with the banditos as a way to be on the inside and be able to report to the bishops about plans they are coming up with to defeat the bishops.
Regional At Best isn't included in lore, it was before they were acquired by Fueled By Ramen
Nice video bro !
you are insane HOLY MOTHER
Interesting but i dont included in the canonn becausa vessel basicly fulfills that function for me
Fair enough! I respectfully disagree.
Fire was his diversion
didn't tyler write ruby for a little girl he met? I felt like I heard that somewhere.
Do vessel next 🎉🎉🎉
i love this
Doesn’t forest talk about holding their hands in the air and being on fire? The torches?
Singing a chorus no one wrote, sahlo folina…
Yes, they do. That's a very good point!
You need more attention ❤
Thanks!
HOLYYY SHIIITTTT 🤯🤯🤯
I need a movie based on a story that TOP made for more than 8 years. No, I even need it.
While I do think that any lore earlier than Blurryface was probably not intentional at the time it was written, I also am pretty convinced that they intentionally tied these thing into the narrative now. There are too many commonalities for it to be coincidence
Ruby is a real person. She was a girl with down syndrome that Tyler knew from his church. I very highly doubt she would be a character in the lore.
Wow
I don’t believe Ruby is gonna be apart of it as it was a song for someone Tyler knew at the church he attended
Good job
Thanks!
I think you’re reaching, but maybe. For instance I don’t think Ruby is involved at all, Ruby was the name of a specific person Tyler actually knew, i don’t think the song has anything to do with the story, as none of the song that have related to real people have a role in it other then subtle nods. And I don’t think Tyler would take something as sweet as a song for this little girl he knew would be made into something as dark as the dema story. As for the treehouse, i like the idea of Clancy maybe going overboard with the fire and accidentally doing something he shouldn’t, but fire in the Dema story seems to represent freedom and passion, not destruction. Also glowing eyes and anathema are about inner demons. So maybe they have a bigger roll, but not all of the bands songs that are about mental health tie into the story. Also 2, 9 could just be 29, again referring to february 29th
This is awesome, do you mind if I react to your video? I would share your link to it as well
Sure, yeah, go for it! :)
Today is 2 9 drop date
Or i am Clancy is 1/9
.overcomesate is 2 / 9
9 tracks total coming??
I thought it did also!!!
I don’t care about lore but I’d love regional at best to be added to streaming
I would too
was two on regional at best?
No, sadly.
so, since the “i part my heart two halves in the dark….” is taken from tyler’s no phun intended…. does that mean that no phun intended is also dema lore???
It is a possibility, although I do think it is unlikely.
Trapdoor is full of info.
Indeed! I was just listening to it this afternoon. A video discussing some of my theories surrounding self-titled is in the works!
@perligo there is so much lore tucked away in the earlier songs. Also in trapdoor when he says he uses a name he saw on a grave, I wondered if that's where the name Clancy came from.
@@FireInTheSoul I have a different theory about that name on the grave which may surprise you...
@@perligo I'll look forward to hearing that :)
anathema happens when a the Pope places a formal curse on someone the Pope is the Bishop of rome
Aight so the idea that RAB vessel or self titled were made with lore involved is total BS. Its completely reasonable that they're making references like anathema while building the story, not the other way around. numbers are easy to get lost with with "lines to draw"
I think vessel is connected to the dema story. That's why the album cover has the red tape asking with the other albums connected to the story. The only album on spotify with no tape is self titled. I think the album name vessel is an obvious hint to the vessel needed for vialism and the ability to control an empty body
You got better things to worry about with a name like that. Pretty embarrassing that you couldn’t come up with a better one
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@@joverton156lmfao what am i supposed to be worried about? clearly since you felt the need to reply... i chose a great name LOL
@@antiLGTBQ attention seeker
Ruby probably doesnt fit into the story, its probably a standalone. I remember reading way back during vessel era that Ruby was written about a girl Tyler went to church with as a kid
Yes, I read that also. However, I do think many TOP songs which we know to be in the canon of the lore have double meanings - a meaning which relates to the story and a meaning which relates to our world. Many of the songs from Scaled and Icy can been viewed this way.
Yes, it's about a girl with down syndrome from his church
Is that RAZZMATAZZ?
Haha good eyes. Yes, I have the RAZZMATAZZ vinyl sitting in the background.
Brother, you should be a detective. Seriously.
Haha thanks!!
interesting speculation but this seems like such a stretch lol
I have been listening to Tylers lyrics non-stop since the days of Blasphemy and Drown.
And it is very clear the lore started at Blurryface tied to a couple verses and imagery from Vessel.
Im a hardcore fanboy but this video makes zero sense.
Jesus if this is true then theyre going too far
There is a song called inferno in this album wich is a fire 💀 💀 💀
In which album?
@@perligo in the Clancy alum,it’s not out yet
Ah. I don't see that song in the tracklist.
Sorry,I didn’t mean to say album, but there has been speculation about inferno for a while in discord and on other platforms. This was before any track list or singles came out, like overcompensate and next semester, Basically I was trying to say to say ,“There is a song called inferno speculated to be a extra song for the new album”. Sorry for the mix up
On Clancy letter 024 02moon 09 Clancy says he will start a inferno
yeah no
Haha, why?
Love you all but this is genuinely schizophrenic
bit weird taking a song about suicide and spinning it to be about some bullshit story