I love that youtube has been recommending me random ass videos with 2 digit view counts and sometimes it recommends a banger ass video like this. I really appreciate going into the nitty gritty of what makes the genre work being weaved into the explanation of the genre itself, not too rambly but not too watch mojo either, good job man. 2 side notes: I share your same story of, uh, "falling" into destiny after BL3 failed and honestly both things soured me on the genre as a whole till i went back and got all the cheevos for BL1 and 2. 2nd sidenote: CAT, CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT.
After spending 300 hours in BL3 I think the best looter shooters are the ones you pay for once ($60) and not the free-to-play ones that drain your wallet with battle passes, premium currency, cosmetic only purchases, and in game shops. Games like Destiny 2 and Diablo 4 are some good examples of this, while Warframe somehow has most of those things yet does it in thr best way possible
I mean, a game that you pay for once with or without DLC being better than a FOMO and dark-pattern riddled "game" is not a wild take by any means of the imagination brother. Vote with your wallets. (Even if the whales that drop thousands in these games and defend this behaviour still fuck it up for the rest of us)
The first few months of BL3 were rough but since then they made constant improvements. It’s now, unquestionably the best Borderlands game in the franchise for gameplay. And luckily you can skip cutscenes and ignore most of the dialogue. What BL3 has now: 2 Takedowns (free) 6 Proving Grounds (with TRUE difficulty/Raid boss option) (free) 3 Slaughter maps (free) 3 seasonal events (free and able to do them any time) 2 of the Seasonal Event bosses are Raid Bosses when in Mayhem Mode Arms Race Double Raid Boss fight with Hemovorous and Vermivorous Constant buffs and fixes for 2 years. Revised Mayhem system to improve endgame. Anointment Reroll machine 4 story DLCs 4th skill tree Murder Mystery DLC Best build diversity in BL history Most viable endgame legendary items in BL History
Yoooo, no wayyy it's Ki11ersix! I grew up watching your borderlands content! I'll definitely have to give BL3 another shot. Appreciate you leaving the info!
Found this vid, watched it or well, half listened to it thking it qas just another video from a somewhat big youtuber. Aaaand then i checked. God damn the quality is top notch, good job, you'll go far if you keep this quality without a doubt!
Yo under 50 subs. That's nuts. Great video. More polished then 90% of video games released in the last 10 years. You've earned this sub. Good luck and keep making great videos.
I just wish there were more games that felt like proper spiritual succesors to Destiny 1, although with the offline-accesible singleplayer and local co-op of Borderlands. I feel like Destiny 1 struck a good balance between gritty, military science fiction but with fantastical characters and locales, and the gameplay and artstyle reflects this. All the other looter shooters are either too modern and realistic, which fundamentally clashes with the genre, or too fantastical and weak-feeling, which results in an unsatisfying FPS.
What someone needs to do is just make a first person shooter with Dungeons and Raids in them. Something simpler without a looter shooter attached to it. Something like Call of Duty where you have loadouts with different perks and attachments on guns to increase damage and give your team different roles in combat. (But also not like COD where it's PvE focused and has actual enemy design instead of just Russian soldiers or whatever.) I just want to taste that same feeling of accomplishment of completing a dungeon or raid for the first time where you worked with your friends to solve the game's combat-based puzzle encounters as a team. Day 1 raids for D2 are a highly coveted experience, and I wanna see another FPS take a crack at Raids. (Dungeons are similar to raids but the mechanic can be done with one person instead of the whole team being needed.) In order to replace Destiny, we need a sci-fi or fantasy movement shooter with diverse enemy variety, 20-30 different unique customizable guns to choose from, and level design centered around solving puzzles while killing enemies. For endgame you have co-op exclusive content with more complex puzzles that need to be solved with multiple people. (Like Destiny raids mechanically. You do these raids to unlock new ones and to get new weapons or skins. Not loot weapons or skins, but actual unlockables.) That would literally be the best game ever if anyone had the balls to go and make it.
What's worse about Destiny compared to Borderlands is new player retention. I've never played Destiny, but the seasonal online focussed nature of it means that someone like me doesn't even need to try getting into it after years of content I missed. But someone that never played any borderlands game can easily play through the entire series without missing anything. Seasonal, online, cosmetic farming are all buzzwords that should immedietly turn you off a game. They just mean that the devs want to manipulate your experience and wallet through FOMO.
As Blizzard has graciously shown us now, looter shooters cant coexist with modern day monetization (battlepasses cosmetics) since messing with drop rates and balancing in efforts to control the player pacing is just anti-consumer. Personally I feel like it might be impossible to make a lotter shooter with a battle pass that is fun, fair AND profitable.
This was well done im actually playing BL2 and loving it i bought BL1 and 2 here while back on sale on Steam and finished 1 and working on 2 and man 2 is by far the best so far,will try 3 eventually after i finish 2 but its not easy for sure,gamer's talk about souls likes lol iv died so much but really enjoy getting better gear or go grind a bit,just so much to do it's overwhelming the amount of content and dlc in BL2.
Anthem had amazing gameplay. They were also working on overhauling the game with the 2.0 update. It could've been easily a strong competitor if EA didn't decide to cancel it. That game had huge potential. Outriders also had some potential with fun builds and the gameplay wasn't too bad either. They're working on a new Outriders game which is rumored to be Microsoft exclusive. The Division 1 is easily one of the best - if not the best - Looter-Shooter out there. No other game beats the atmosphere and open world of that game. The sequel unfortunately never lived up to the expectations and was a huge disappointment due to it being too generic. Now that Division 3 is on it's way, I hope they go back to their roots. The thing with Warframe and Destiny is they share the same problem: Despite both games being almost a decade old, they barely evovled throughout the years. The studios didn't care to really expand on the ideas and settings of their games. Take Destiny for instance. How is there no real space travel where you fly your own ship in space to discover planets and what not after so many years? They instead fully invested themselves on producing cheap seasonal content with medicore expansions with the same scheme over and over. You still fight the same mobs from a decade ago with different skins. Same thing goes for Warframe. I've played both games from their first betas on and was one of the first players in both games. Both games had huge potential, but these studios decided to throw all of it away to milk their players with low effort content. I blame the players as much as I blame the studios for this. Gaming is mostly just a sad place nowadays. Barely any game lasts for more than a month. Almost everyone I know and used to play games with on regular basis stopped playing. I often find myself going back older games from the Xbox 360/PS3 era since that console generation was mainly passion driven and had many unique games that are still fun to play and were ahead of their time. If it wasn't for studios like FromSoftware and CD Projekt RED, I'd have stopped playing modern games completely.
idk about everyone else, but the genre's flaws finally clicked when i was playing Diablo 4, the "OG" loot based action game. In Diablo, Loot is purely supplementary. Your attacks and moveset are tied to the player; loot just powers them up. In Looter shooters, your attacks and abilities are tied to the loot itself, which makes build crafting a miserable slog. If Diablo had no loot, it would still be an amazing RPG with tons of build variety. I cant say the same for D2 or Borderlands.
As someone who loves playing Warframe, it does feel like it's declining too. It feels way more tedious to grind the new warframes and while the developers are admittedly doing a better job at trying to help new players out, it creates a whole bunch of problems
for me i think warframe have been up for 10 years is good enough...the more they put stuffs into the game the less appealing it get...i quit after 5k hours and 8 years of playing.
How can they go from amazing witch queen to trash light fall.... Easy. Minimum viable product. The business model we blamed Activision for was Bungie all along.
Ngl, with my experience with looter shooters, The Best once are the one you pa'y for once. Instead of the free to play Ones. But, if you are looking for a f2p loother shooter, I entirely reccomend warframe. It's one of the good Ones.
Outriders is my fave just becaues the loot actually looks so fucking cool just a shame it shits itself on my PC. End game just sucks shit but holy fuck the legendary armor and weapons actually feel legendary and sick as fuck. The builds and animations are all so cool and the over the top gore for some interactions is just the cherry on top. Even with challenging fights that don't feel bullshit (until you get to the speed running segments) Although I like outriders PURELY for its aesthetics. The speed running end game portion just feels off in comparison to the decent campaign. Not crazy but definitely feels great to go through.
Only decent looter shooter I can think of in recent memory is Warframe, then again I have hundreds of hours in that game xD. But I only spent $25 like 200 hours in, so I think it's still worth playing.
If you ever do, get someone experienced with you, game is great, but as soon as you're out of the tutorial they explain next to nothing, which is what alienates most new players, if you have someone who knows how things work however, it instantly becomes a lot more fun! @JayLaVey
I’d argue that Hellgate London was the first looter shooter that inspired games like Borderlands. Yes, I am that old ;) I would love to play Destiny 2. I love the gunplay. But Destiny 2 isn‘t just a looter shooter. It is a multiplayer only looter shooter. I can‘t progress on my own or just with my friends. I need to play with strangers and this is a no-go for me. So D2 simply is no option for me which is a shame. I‘d play the hell out of this if we could play every content with any number of players just like in Borderlands. Borderlands 3 I liked very much. Yeah - the story telling of the main story line was terrible. But it played nicely and there were some pretty good characters, side quests and expansions in it. Spendopticon was top notch! Wonderlands was a mess of a game and a greedy cash grab. I regret every penny I spent on that §%€€§!
This is a high quality video I really enjoyed it. Although I found it weird how BL3 is treated as a black sheep, I mean no matter what I read or who I talked to BL3 is often considered the best in the franchise gameplay wise and is a sentiment shared by both Borderlands fans, game critics and even casual players. I mean you can look up almost any review on TH-cam and they are all pretty glowing, Steams score for the game is good too. It's not perfect obviously, I often see BL3 described as a game with 0/10 story and 10/10 gameplay and I agree with that 100 percent. The story is ass for sure but the gameplay is god tier and unlike other games which are filled with microtransactions, with BL3 you can buy the base game (And maybe one of the DLCs for more perk customization) and you have yourself an incredibly meaty game with hundreds of amazing and unique weapons right off the bat. But yeah good video, I am looking forward to watching more of your videos, you earned yourself a subscriber!
@@JGriffin5150 Depends on who you ask, overwhelmingly I see it referred to as the one with the best gameplay in the series. Obviously some people are gonna feel different.
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I love that youtube has been recommending me random ass videos with 2 digit view counts and sometimes it recommends a banger ass video like this.
I really appreciate going into the nitty gritty of what makes the genre work being weaved into the explanation of the genre itself, not too rambly but not too watch mojo either, good job man.
2 side notes: I share your same story of, uh, "falling" into destiny after BL3 failed and honestly both things soured me on the genre as a whole till i went back and got all the cheevos for BL1 and 2.
2nd sidenote: CAT, CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT.
Thank you so much for your support! Glad you enjoyed the video!
After spending 300 hours in BL3 I think the best looter shooters are the ones you pay for once ($60) and not the free-to-play ones that drain your wallet with battle passes, premium currency, cosmetic only purchases, and in game shops. Games like Destiny 2 and Diablo 4 are some good examples of this, while Warframe somehow has most of those things yet does it in thr best way possible
I mean, a game that you pay for once with or without DLC being better than a FOMO and dark-pattern riddled "game" is not a wild take by any means of the imagination brother.
Vote with your wallets.
(Even if the whales that drop thousands in these games and defend this behaviour still fuck it up for the rest of us)
Your video quality is incredible for a channel of this size, keep it up dude 💙
Ayy thank you!
Only 1 video and its very well produced!
The first few months of BL3 were rough but since then they made constant improvements. It’s now, unquestionably the best Borderlands game in the franchise for gameplay. And luckily you can skip cutscenes and ignore most of the dialogue.
What BL3 has now:
2 Takedowns (free)
6 Proving Grounds (with TRUE difficulty/Raid boss option) (free)
3 Slaughter maps (free)
3 seasonal events (free and able to do them any time)
2 of the Seasonal Event bosses are Raid Bosses when in Mayhem Mode
Arms Race
Double Raid Boss fight with Hemovorous and Vermivorous
Constant buffs and fixes for 2 years.
Revised Mayhem system to improve endgame.
Anointment Reroll machine
4 story DLCs
4th skill tree
Murder Mystery DLC
Best build diversity in BL history
Most viable endgame legendary items in BL History
Yoooo, no wayyy it's Ki11ersix! I grew up watching your borderlands content! I'll definitely have to give BL3 another shot. Appreciate you leaving the info!
Found this vid, watched it or well, half listened to it thking it qas just another video from a somewhat big youtuber. Aaaand then i checked. God damn the quality is top notch, good job, you'll go far if you keep this quality without a doubt!
Ayy, I appreciate it! Thank you!
Damn for your first video it was great. Keep up the good work
Thank you!
Yo under 50 subs. That's nuts. Great video. More polished then 90% of video games released in the last 10 years. You've earned this sub. Good luck and keep making great videos.
Thank you for the support!
Amazing video! I cant believe this is your first one. It is so well made :O
Thank you so much!
Every time I hear about Borderlands 3 it makes me want to have a lobotomy and go back to the time when I had a lot of hype for the game
gaming company's act so alien at times
Bro I was a bl3 hater before I played it and now its my favorite game of all time
I just wish there were more games that felt like proper spiritual succesors to Destiny 1, although with the offline-accesible singleplayer and local co-op of Borderlands. I feel like Destiny 1 struck a good balance between gritty, military science fiction but with fantastical characters and locales, and the gameplay and artstyle reflects this. All the other looter shooters are either too modern and realistic, which fundamentally clashes with the genre, or too fantastical and weak-feeling, which results in an unsatisfying FPS.
Video turned out great
Thank you!
What someone needs to do is just make a first person shooter with Dungeons and Raids in them. Something simpler without a looter shooter attached to it. Something like Call of Duty where you have loadouts with different perks and attachments on guns to increase damage and give your team different roles in combat. (But also not like COD where it's PvE focused and has actual enemy design instead of just Russian soldiers or whatever.)
I just want to taste that same feeling of accomplishment of completing a dungeon or raid for the first time where you worked with your friends to solve the game's combat-based puzzle encounters as a team. Day 1 raids for D2 are a highly coveted experience, and I wanna see another FPS take a crack at Raids. (Dungeons are similar to raids but the mechanic can be done with one person instead of the whole team being needed.)
In order to replace Destiny, we need a sci-fi or fantasy movement shooter with diverse enemy variety, 20-30 different unique customizable guns to choose from, and level design centered around solving puzzles while killing enemies. For endgame you have co-op exclusive content with more complex puzzles that need to be solved with multiple people. (Like Destiny raids mechanically. You do these raids to unlock new ones and to get new weapons or skins. Not loot weapons or skins, but actual unlockables.) That would literally be the best game ever if anyone had the balls to go and make it.
What's worse about Destiny compared to Borderlands is new player retention.
I've never played Destiny, but the seasonal online focussed nature of it means that someone like me doesn't even need to try getting into it after years of content I missed.
But someone that never played any borderlands game can easily play through the entire series without missing anything.
Seasonal, online, cosmetic farming are all buzzwords that should immedietly turn you off a game. They just mean that the devs want to manipulate your experience and wallet through FOMO.
The FOMO plague. Great take though. Appreciate you watching!
@@JayLaVey thank you for keeping your white boy essay under 5 hours.
@@BigKnecht LMAOOOO
As Blizzard has graciously shown us now, looter shooters cant coexist with modern day monetization (battlepasses cosmetics) since messing with drop rates and balancing in efforts to control the player pacing is just anti-consumer.
Personally I feel like it might be impossible to make a lotter shooter with a battle pass that is fun, fair AND profitable.
Couldn't agree more. Thanks for watching!
This was well done im actually playing BL2 and loving it i bought BL1 and 2 here while back on sale on Steam and finished 1 and working on 2 and man 2 is by far the best so far,will try 3 eventually after i finish 2 but its not easy for sure,gamer's talk about souls likes lol iv died so much but really enjoy getting better gear or go grind a bit,just so much to do it's overwhelming the amount of content and dlc in BL2.
Borderlands 2 has some GREAT DLC. Highly recommend taking your time and keep enjoying yourself. Thanks for your support!
Anthem had amazing gameplay. They were also working on overhauling the game with the 2.0 update. It could've been easily a strong competitor if EA didn't decide to cancel it. That game had huge potential. Outriders also had some potential with fun builds and the gameplay wasn't too bad either. They're working on a new Outriders game which is rumored to be Microsoft exclusive. The Division 1 is easily one of the best - if not the best - Looter-Shooter out there. No other game beats the atmosphere and open world of that game. The sequel unfortunately never lived up to the expectations and was a huge disappointment due to it being too generic. Now that Division 3 is on it's way, I hope they go back to their roots. The thing with Warframe and Destiny is they share the same problem: Despite both games being almost a decade old, they barely evovled throughout the years. The studios didn't care to really expand on the ideas and settings of their games. Take Destiny for instance. How is there no real space travel where you fly your own ship in space to discover planets and what not after so many years? They instead fully invested themselves on producing cheap seasonal content with medicore expansions with the same scheme over and over. You still fight the same mobs from a decade ago with different skins. Same thing goes for Warframe. I've played both games from their first betas on and was one of the first players in both games. Both games had huge potential, but these studios decided to throw all of it away to milk their players with low effort content. I blame the players as much as I blame the studios for this. Gaming is mostly just a sad place nowadays. Barely any game lasts for more than a month. Almost everyone I know and used to play games with on regular basis stopped playing. I often find myself going back older games from the Xbox 360/PS3 era since that console generation was mainly passion driven and had many unique games that are still fun to play and were ahead of their time. If it wasn't for studios like FromSoftware and CD Projekt RED, I'd have stopped playing modern games completely.
idk about everyone else, but the genre's flaws finally clicked when i was playing Diablo 4, the "OG" loot based action game.
In Diablo, Loot is purely supplementary. Your attacks and moveset are tied to the player; loot just powers them up.
In Looter shooters, your attacks and abilities are tied to the loot itself, which makes build crafting a miserable slog.
If Diablo had no loot, it would still be an amazing RPG with tons of build variety. I cant say the same for D2 or Borderlands.
As someone who loves playing Warframe, it does feel like it's declining too. It feels way more tedious to grind the new warframes and while the developers are admittedly doing a better job at trying to help new players out, it creates a whole bunch of problems
for me i think warframe have been up for 10 years is good enough...the more they put stuffs into the game the less appealing it get...i quit after 5k hours and 8 years of playing.
I want to push this video further, so I'm leaving this comment here. Great thumbnail!
Thanks for the support!
How can they go from amazing witch queen to trash light fall.... Easy. Minimum viable product.
The business model we blamed Activision for was Bungie all along.
I think some roguelites like risk of rain 2, roboquest, gunfire reborn kind of fill the void :)
I've heard great things about gunfire reborn. Ill have to check it out along with the others! Thanks for watching!
@@JayLaVey great video!
Ngl, with my experience with looter shooters, The Best once are the one you pa'y for once. Instead of the free to play Ones. But, if you are looking for a f2p loother shooter, I entirely reccomend warframe. It's one of the good Ones.
Outriders is my fave just becaues the loot actually looks so fucking cool just a shame it shits itself on my PC.
End game just sucks shit but holy fuck the legendary armor and weapons actually feel legendary and sick as fuck.
The builds and animations are all so cool and the over the top gore for some interactions is just the cherry on top.
Even with challenging fights that don't feel bullshit (until you get to the speed running segments)
Although I like outriders PURELY for its aesthetics.
The speed running end game portion just feels off in comparison to the decent campaign.
Not crazy but definitely feels great to go through.
BL2 and D1 Sweep!!
Only decent looter shooter I can think of in recent memory is Warframe, then again I have hundreds of hours in that game xD. But I only spent $25 like 200 hours in, so I think it's still worth playing.
I gotta give the space ninja game another go. I loved the movement when I tried it a while back. Thanks for watching though!
If you ever do, get someone experienced with you, game is great, but as soon as you're out of the tutorial they explain next to nothing, which is what alienates most new players, if you have someone who knows how things work however, it instantly becomes a lot more fun!
@JayLaVey
I’d argue that Hellgate London was the first looter shooter that inspired games like Borderlands. Yes, I am that old ;)
I would love to play Destiny 2. I love the gunplay. But Destiny 2 isn‘t just a looter shooter. It is a multiplayer only looter shooter. I can‘t progress on my own or just with my friends. I need to play with strangers and this is a no-go for me. So D2 simply is no option for me which is a shame. I‘d play the hell out of this if we could play every content with any number of players just like in Borderlands.
Borderlands 3 I liked very much. Yeah - the story telling of the main story line was terrible. But it played nicely and there were some pretty good characters, side quests and expansions in it. Spendopticon was top notch!
Wonderlands was a mess of a game and a greedy cash grab. I regret every penny I spent on that §%€€§!
The only looter shooters worth playing are like borderlands or the ascent shit like destiny isn't worth playing
Same
Tbh I think Borderlands 3's sloppy gameplay and Anthem killed the genre
This is a high quality video I really enjoyed it. Although I found it weird how BL3 is treated as a black sheep, I mean no matter what I read or who I talked to BL3 is often considered the best in the franchise gameplay wise and is a sentiment shared by both Borderlands fans, game critics and even casual players. I mean you can look up almost any review on TH-cam and they are all pretty glowing, Steams score for the game is good too. It's not perfect obviously, I often see BL3 described as a game with 0/10 story and 10/10 gameplay and I agree with that 100 percent. The story is ass for sure but the gameplay is god tier and unlike other games which are filled with microtransactions, with BL3 you can buy the base game (And maybe one of the DLCs for more perk customization) and you have yourself an incredibly meaty game with hundreds of amazing and unique weapons right off the bat.
But yeah good video, I am looking forward to watching more of your videos, you earned yourself a subscriber!
Borderlands 3 definitely isn't known as the best one
@@JGriffin5150 Depends on who you ask, overwhelmingly I see it referred to as the one with the best gameplay in the series. Obviously some people are gonna feel different.
Light fall was absolute dogshit and I’ve been playing destiny since d1 haven’t played in a few months bc remnant 2
Just play warframe lol