Not gonna lie I don't like the way MJ looks in Spider-Man 2 but it's not a big deal to me because how she's written as a character (This applies to any character in fiction) is more important to me and I love her character in the universe. I know I said this in your community already but after seeing this I feel even more so about it.
I totally agree. I prefer how she looked in spiderman ps4. I just think it looks a bit more like MJ. But the new design doesn't take away from the game or its really good story.
the face model for mj broke her jaw and had 17 surgies to fix it so its a good reason to why she looks like she does but she still looks good in the game
This makes it extra mean that jOker ridicules MJ's jaw, since it looks exactly like Stephanie's jaw. It's unchanged, so they are basically ridiculing Stephanie's jaw irl.
My main problem about the faces in Spiderman 2 isn't the fact they're ugly, it's the fact they decided to remaster Peter, MJ and Yuri when each of them looked fine in the first game, there was no need to completely redo their faces and it just doesn't make sense why they would change models that are already fine as they are, I get it's a remaster for the ps5 but still
Kay Vess' character design and her face existed before an actress was even found to provide her body for movements and her voice. But just because she doesn't look like the actress doesn't mean she's ugly! I mean, look at the actor for Red Dead 1 or 2 or Uncharted or The Last of us and many many more examples of other characters.
I hate the “ugly game women” argument because in most games, the women don’t have time to look attractive. Example: Aloy from horizon zero dawn. Look at her world, *robot fucking dinosaurs* . She doesn’t have time for makeup or go to a hair salon. She’s too busy not getting crumpled under hundreds of tons of robo-dinosaurs
I find these types of people so annoying and pathetic. How attractive a character is is of little to no importance ( with some exceptions based off specific character types ). The attractiveness of a character is just a superficial aspect. If you prefer attractive characters, then fine. But recognize that that is all it is, a preference
You are out of your mind. When you cook food for the customers, you don't cook it the way you like it, you cook it the way they like it. They have a right to complain otherwise reject the game entirely.
What an absolute failure of a human being ultimate joker do you not know that the actor of MJ was made fun of so much because of how she looked in Spider-Man too that she quit her job and do you know why she looks different because she had to have surgery because of an injury she got
Is it normal that I feel like I lost brain cells listening to ultimate joker complain about women not being attractive in games? Ultimate joker: Women aren't attractive in Video Games Me: Oh My God, who the hell cares?!
Most likely he doesn't know. Its not a well known fact.of course it's not makes things he says in video right but to be fair even many sp2 fans are not aware of it.
It is nauseating listening to these guys. Nothing about their presentation or their views are tasteful. They are openly hostile over ever little thing due to their persecution complex. I personally have not noticed this supposed shift in gaming because I have no reason to be alarmed by it; conventionally attractive people are not ugly to me. They are golden standard for what it means to have an ugly personality.
Another factor for MJ is her hairstyle. Because the PS5 can handle longer flowing hair better than the PS4, they designed her to wear her hair down, which frames her face differently compared to the first game. That’s it. Just look at Linda Cardellini when she played Velma and every other role she’s had. The hair does a lot in framing the face
People always use the whole "MJs face actress broke her jaw and got surgery" excuse for why she looks different in SM2 but... She doesn't even look all that different looking at recent posts from her. At least not to the point the game makes her look. Though i still say its bs she got harassed for something the game devs did when it was out of her control.
With this topic ill say it i prefer an attractive and well written character will i take a less attractive character who is really well written over an attractive character who is written like an plastic bag i hate when peaple just worry about attractiveness over being well written like dont get wrong an attractive character is cool but being attractive can only get a character so far
The thing these guys seem to be missing with the images they use of the actors are done by professional photographers where it is made to look as good as possible, with make-up and lighting etc. The games then have the characters in more day-to-day scenarios where they wouldn't have those things to look the same degree of attractiveness they're looking for.
Body paportions shouldn't matter in fiction. It's fiction. It doesn't matter what the characters race is, their paportion doesn't has to match the "majority" of real life people. Also MJ doesn't have to be hot. Her role in Insomniacs Spider-Man isn't ment to be "The hot girlfriend Spider-Man saves on a dialy basis." She's supposed to be an investigator, a writer, a supporter to Peter. Black Cat is the flirtatious, hot, theif. I believe depending on the type of character you're trying to display or the type of game you're trying to sell should determin how the characters should look. Games like stellar blade knows the type of game it is and it doesn't hold back. Sexy android women with sword. Spider-Man, a superhero game that is filled with action and heartfelt moments that can be deep and relatable. Not every women needs to be overly sexual or sexualized.
The Mary Jane sm2 face looks terrible. I don't see how anyone can defend it. She looked fine in the first game, then gained a ton of extra mass on her face in the next game. There's no reason to do that unless someone intentionally wanted to make her ugly. The star wars woman looks ok, but Mary Jane looks terrible.
@Snake_eyes0 You can maybe find a couple of angles where, in the right lighting, she looks similar, but most of the time, she looks very different. So many people would be complaining if she looked the same. It's just denial to say otherwise.
@@malic_zarith Again she looks entirely the same, all that was changed was hair and they got rid of the makeup but there's no point going on about this since people hated her face in the first game.
When I read the title I was praying this was a response to the infamous synthetic man xd. But I suppose that'll have to wait. Some day... The prophecy will come to be-
I can lower it in future but it’s not gonna be removed 🤷♂️ Although as far as I’m aware you are the only one who had any issues as no one else brought it to my attention… but thank you regardless
"My ears now want to move to a different head" mofo I want to move to a different reality because of people jusy being shameless pricks online and Joker is a good example. If the way video game women look to people is a problem then it really tells you alot about them.
Did you just claim that there arnt other races? Or are you specially attacking the specification that black WOMEN are a specific separate race from all other races and genders?
Is this like a next level grift? Why does "ultamate joker" sound exactly like you with a voice changer, I can even detect the same accent lmao. I couldn't find this guys channel. What are you doing man?
We literally don’t have the same accent 😅 and yes it’s hilarious. Idk if his account was shadow banned or something cause when you search his channel it doesn’t come up 🤷♂️
I don’t like the character of mj in general, and I also don’t like how she looks in Spider-Man 2 game, in the first one she looked good but in 2 she undeniably looks off, I honestly would like it if she would die in 3 game in exchange for some motivation/Charakter development type shit if yk what I mean.
Not gonna lie I don't like the way MJ looks in Spider-Man 2 but it's not a big deal to me because how she's written as a character (This applies to any character in fiction) is more important to me and I love her character in the universe. I know I said this in your community already but after seeing this I feel even more so about it.
I agree, it’s one of my favorite versions of MJ
@carlossandez6672 Insomniac MJ is definitely in my top 3 favorite versions of the character. Spinneret is my all time favorite
@@Nikorasu1048 agreed
I totally agree. I prefer how she looked in spiderman ps4. I just think it looks a bit more like MJ. But the new design doesn't take away from the game or its really good story.
I feel like it's a cherry picked screen shot
"Real faces are better than their game version"
No shit sherlock, thats why they hire them in the first place.
the face model for mj broke her jaw and had 17 surgies to fix it so its a good reason to why she looks like she does but she still looks good in the game
This makes it extra mean that jOker ridicules MJ's jaw, since it looks exactly like Stephanie's jaw. It's unchanged, so they are basically ridiculing Stephanie's jaw irl.
Here's an idea, get a different model for Mary Jaw, lmao
0:35 The Catwoman photo is by Linked002
You do the simps work my guy 👍
My main problem about the faces in Spiderman 2 isn't the fact they're ugly, it's the fact they decided to remaster Peter, MJ and Yuri when each of them looked fine in the first game, there was no need to completely redo their faces and it just doesn't make sense why they would change models that are already fine as they are, I get it's a remaster for the ps5 but still
I respect your opinion, but I happen to like Peter's new face better. Hot take I know.
Actually, I’m pretty sure Yuri’s face model is the same as it was in the first game. The only thing different is that she cut her hair to be shorter.
I agree, I really don’t mind MJ’s face in SM2, they had to change the face model actress.
Kay Vess' character design and her face existed before an actress was even found to provide her body for movements and her voice. But just because she doesn't look like the actress doesn't mean she's ugly! I mean, look at the actor for Red Dead 1 or 2 or Uncharted or The Last of us and many many more examples of other characters.
I hate the “ugly game women” argument because in most games, the women don’t have time to look attractive.
Example: Aloy from horizon zero dawn.
Look at her world, *robot fucking dinosaurs* . She doesn’t have time for makeup or go to a hair salon. She’s too busy not getting crumpled under hundreds of tons of robo-dinosaurs
I find these types of people so annoying and pathetic. How attractive a character is is of little to no importance ( with some exceptions based off specific character types ). The attractiveness of a character is just a superficial aspect. If you prefer attractive characters, then fine. But recognize that that is all it is, a preference
Your gunna love this weeks video then 😂
The same guy reckons that Spiderman 2 will turn you gay 🤦♂️😂
@@TheGamingRift11 I saw you community post on it in my feed. Guess I’m gay now.
@@loganredding1621 same 😂🤦♂️
You are out of your mind.
When you cook food for the customers, you don't cook it the way you like it, you cook it the way they like it. They have a right to complain otherwise reject the game entirely.
I don't mine beauty really it feels more like a secondary really the character is more important
EXCELLENT THE GAMING RIFT WORK. 🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉
What an absolute failure of a human being ultimate joker do you not know that the actor of MJ was made fun of so much because of how she looked in Spider-Man too that she quit her job and do you know why she looks different because she had to have surgery because of an injury she got
She quit? I fucking hate gamers sometimes
Is it normal that I feel like I lost brain cells listening to ultimate joker complain about women not being attractive in games?
Ultimate joker: Women aren't attractive in Video Games
Me: Oh My God, who the hell cares?!
I thought MJ actually looked really attractive in Spider-Man 2. Even more so than the first game which already had her looking attractive (IMO).
Btw, doesn’t joker not understand that the model for MJ was in a car crash and needed surgery on her jaw????
That dosent mean you have to make the game ugly.
@@masshysteria3549but it's not😂 stop yapping
Most likely he doesn't know. Its not a well known fact.of course it's not makes things he says in video right but to be fair even many sp2 fans are not aware of it.
@@masshysteria3549 how is the game ugly
@@gioarevadze2703 yeah but they just rushed to conclusions and not doing research on it is the problem
Joker is probably the most rascist person I have ever heard it’s very depressing and shocking how people like his vidoes
Yep and apparently they made multiple videos “exposing” me 😂
What a shame
It is nauseating listening to these guys. Nothing about their presentation or their views are tasteful. They are openly hostile over ever little thing due to their persecution complex. I personally have not noticed this supposed shift in gaming because I have no reason to be alarmed by it; conventionally attractive people are not ugly to me. They are golden standard for what it means to have an ugly personality.
Another factor for MJ is her hairstyle. Because the PS5 can handle longer flowing hair better than the PS4, they designed her to wear her hair down, which frames her face differently compared to the first game. That’s it. Just look at Linda Cardellini when she played Velma and every other role she’s had. The hair does a lot in framing the face
People always use the whole "MJs face actress broke her jaw and got surgery" excuse for why she looks different in SM2 but... She doesn't even look all that different looking at recent posts from her. At least not to the point the game makes her look. Though i still say its bs she got harassed for something the game devs did when it was out of her control.
With this topic ill say it i prefer an attractive and well written character will i take a less attractive character who is really well written over an attractive character who is written like an plastic bag i hate when peaple just worry about attractiveness over being well written like dont get wrong an attractive character is cool but being attractive can only get a character so far
The thing these guys seem to be missing with the images they use of the actors are done by professional photographers where it is made to look as good as possible, with make-up and lighting etc. The games then have the characters in more day-to-day scenarios where they wouldn't have those things to look the same degree of attractiveness they're looking for.
I never understood people saying MJ isn't pretty/beautiful she is. She isn't like a super model but she is a pretty/beautiful woman
I only don’t like Mj in the sequel is because they changed her face for seemingly No Reason
Body paportions shouldn't matter in fiction. It's fiction. It doesn't matter what the characters race is, their paportion doesn't has to match the "majority" of real life people.
Also MJ doesn't have to be hot. Her role in Insomniacs Spider-Man isn't ment to be "The hot girlfriend Spider-Man saves on a dialy basis." She's supposed to be an investigator, a writer, a supporter to Peter. Black Cat is the flirtatious, hot, theif.
I believe depending on the type of character you're trying to display or the type of game you're trying to sell should determin how the characters should look. Games like stellar blade knows the type of game it is and it doesn't hold back. Sexy android women with sword. Spider-Man, a superhero game that is filled with action and heartfelt moments that can be deep and relatable. Not every women needs to be overly sexual or sexualized.
The Mary Jane sm2 face looks terrible. I don't see how anyone can defend it. She looked fine in the first game, then gained a ton of extra mass on her face in the next game. There's no reason to do that unless someone intentionally wanted to make her ugly. The star wars woman looks ok, but Mary Jane looks terrible.
I don’t defend it, I just couldn’t give a shit
She looks the same, all they did was put her hair down and get rid of the makeup
@Snake_eyes0 You can maybe find a couple of angles where, in the right lighting, she looks similar, but most of the time, she looks very different. So many people would be complaining if she looked the same. It's just denial to say otherwise.
@@malic_zarith Again she looks entirely the same, all that was changed was hair and they got rid of the makeup but there's no point going on about this since people hated her face in the first game.
@@Snake_eyes0 I agree tbh
What Do You Guys Think??
I think they need to get a life
I think that they have made their point by now, and we get it. They can stop.
I think you’re a nut
14:03 *cue dog side eye meme*
When I read the title I was praying this was a response to the infamous synthetic man xd. But I suppose that'll have to wait.
Some day... The prophecy will come to be-
Saving that for Fridays disagreement day
@@TheGamingRift11 YAAA
@@TheGamingRift11 wish it would be a response vid instead of a disagreement day, but I’m still excited.
That guy is the definition of sexist
But even when they fit his view there’s still more rules like black cat being bisexual
His thumbnails tell you everything you need to know about him, lol
Hey @TheGamingRift11 can you please turn off the background music? It makes what you are saying a lot harder to hear.
I can lower it in future but it’s not gonna be removed 🤷♂️
Although as far as I’m aware you are the only one who had any issues as no one else brought it to my attention… but thank you regardless
@@TheGamingRift11 ok thanks then
"My ears now want to move to a different head" mofo I want to move to a different reality because of people jusy being shameless pricks online and Joker is a good example. If the way video game women look to people is a problem then it really tells you alot about them.
Joker is literally the definition of brain rot
Did you just claim that there arnt other races? Or are you specially attacking the specification that black WOMEN are a specific separate race from all other races and genders?
As I’m a firm believer in equality, I view it as all our equal under the human race.
@@TheGamingRift11 Racist
Man UJ needs to go outside and get off the internet cause holy crap
Terrible combination
Is this like a next level grift? Why does "ultamate joker" sound exactly like you with a voice changer, I can even detect the same accent lmao. I couldn't find this guys channel. What are you doing man?
We literally don’t have the same accent 😅 and yes it’s hilarious. Idk if his account was shadow banned or something cause when you search his channel it doesn’t come up 🤷♂️
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I think this guy is just creating stupid and dumb rant videos at this point.
I don’t like the character of mj in general, and I also don’t like how she looks in Spider-Man 2 game, in the first one she looked good but in 2 she undeniably looks off, I honestly would like it if she would die in 3 game in exchange for some motivation/Charakter development type shit if yk what I mean.