How Useless were the other Republic Senators on the Galactic Senate? [Clone Wars]
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- Like in the real world, politicians often get a free pass for doing absolutely nothing. In this video we aim to expose them.
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The irony that the pacifists only became effective when they started a para military insurrection is just golden
"Si vis pacem, para bellum." "If you want peace, prepare for war."
@@calthekonqueror312 that is the resonable assertion, politicians are not resonable. When you attempt to wield peace like a cudgel, and in reality are using a nerf bat then are surprised when your foes are not cowering at your feet at the mention of your name alone, only then have you reached the levels of iciocy required to be a politician.
I hope to die a boring and uninteresting death in the most mundane way possible, yet will gladly bleed out on a battlefield if fighting for the peace I wish to return to my nation to reappear could come to pass.
Well when people get tired of having the boot on their necks they tend to fight back which is hindered when dictators disarm their people.
Seems like a solid idea at this rate.
Star Wars sure demonizes imperialism and Nazism and lambasts pacifism and bureaucracy.
I swear in half of the senate scenes, its only Sheev talking. Whilst the other thousands of senators watch him doing nothing.
Sheeple. Or uh, Sheepaliens.
@@geetslys shlaves?
But he IS the Senate, so...
@@DraconimLt yeah ik, that's why it's so corrupt.
@@geetslys Bit late but... Xenosheeplings.
"There is 2000 senators inside republic senate building. None of them care about you."
~Confederacy of Independent Systems
I have that poster on my wall
@@birch8109 where did you get it
@@The_FatGeneral I searched it up, downloaded the image and sent it to be printed.
@@birch8109 ohh
Also describes the US senate
Orn Fre Tah wasn't totally useless, he made sure that there was no food waste within 5 parsecs
Orn fre Tah was also used as a planetary shield against supernovae
He saved the Republic millions in credits whenever he was on a ship or a space station, thanks to them being able to shut off the artificial gravity.
Useless to anyone but Palpatine. After all he is the Senate
And way better and competent than Biden
@@stuartemmanuel3735 I don’t want to start a fight, but could you please take your political opinions elsewhere. I’m sick of real-world politics seeping into everything. OP made a Star Wars joke, can we leave it at that?
@@stuartemmanuel3735 More competant than any US president in 30 years.
Noah Leonard
I was going to say the same thing so thank you. The only things real life relating to Star Wars is Disney. Politics don’t belong in Fantasy movies/shows
@@noahleonard2481 if you didnt want to start a fight, best to remain silent otherwise you sound hypocritical.. by the way Star Wars was inspired from real world events.
I always thought Riyo Chuchi was a good senator. She was able to bring peace with the Talz help find Pantoran chairman missing daughter she voiced her concerns over the Enhanced Privacy Invasion Bill and was part of the jury of Ahsoka Tano trial.
EXACTLY! Why wasn't she mentioned!? She was good!
Also Onaconda Farr or “Uncle Otto” seemed good. I know he died and all during the clone wars but beforehand he seemed just as determined as Bail or Padme even being beaten up by thugs didn’t dissuade him from voting how he thought was right.
People can hate on it all they want, but in my opinion including the senate in the movies was a great addition. Some of the arguably most important battles in Star Wars took place within the senate rather than some battlefield
I also enjoyed the additions as it made Palpatine's rise as the Emperor seem more plausible and realistic. The scenes helped show how the senate was like and basically how useless and gullible they actually were and because of that they were, combined with their selfishness, blind to anything and essentially everything. Palpatine's puppetry couldn't have been more easier.
Facts.
@@liamhamilton9086 If you think the scenes they actually included were good just wait till you see the deleted scenes.
What battles in the Senate? all I saw was Sheev playing them like a fiddle.
Same as in real life. As I see it, ain’t much different
"Jar jar is the key to everything "
Jar Jar made the Sith wayfinders.
@@geetslys nah
"If we get Jar Jar to work the movie is gonna work"
@@elmariachi2979 I I mean that statement isn't entirely inaccurate
Yes and hes the guy and he was originally dark pledges and he started the whole Ceres of and secretly assist yes yes we all know you want a little truth about draw draw and away they had charger about this he retired becoming clown with a bad background seems realistic
Politicians are politicians even in a galaxy far far away
I think the Darth Plaguies novel by James Luceno does a pretty good at displaying how badly things in the senate were: You had senators asleep/taking naps during sessions, acting like juvenile kids sneering and shouting to one another at times in mocking ways, being grumpy at their vacations being interrupted due to actual important things happening that needed them to do their actual jobs, and nobody seemingly really too interested in anything but themselves...oh, and of course: Assassinations - Either political plots to entrap someone someone did not like, or actual "we got bodies" eliminations were also a thing. So yikes: Talk about a place that would have needed a good scrubbing down and cleaning up from all the corruption and other poor practices that a rather Sithy buncha individuals had been carefully cultivating from behind the curtains for a millennia.
You realize that Emperor Palpatine had the right idea to appoint regional governors who were on the same page throughout the galaxy
@@Charlie94781 Yeah, so he could bring the boot down harder.
outside of assassinations, literally everything you mentioned can be applied to the US senate
@@fallout560 Not from the Us, but said folks don't strike me as the brightest bulbs in the world, and seems from my far away point of view like you got a lot of folk both in day to day life, and politics, who are more than comfy watching nothing much happen, nothing change, bowing backwards so much their backs must be breaking to try and upkeep the all-mighty status quo. Mind you, doing this currently when change is needed more than ever is basically akin to that one meme with the burning house and the dog going "this is fine."
Besides that, please excuse me for not commenting more, because anytime US politics tend to come up in any remote way it creates a frankly ridiculous rooster fight where nobody engaged in the rather militant "us vs them" finger pointing and yelling seems to care much about compromises, hearing what the other has to say, or even having a decent conversation on the matter where ones engaging in it see each other as equal, and can walk away with something to think on. Anyone who tries to build bridges (something desperately needed) basically is also treated with hostility for some reason.
Even me clarifying this feels like it's basically going to be enough to get finger pointing and fist shaking going on. And it's very exhausting, especially as someone who isn't in nor from the US but has to witness it spill out absolutely everywhere. It's also ultimately a pointless waste, because until actual talking and discussion starts taking place instead of militant "let's beat em up!" style gurgling where distrust is the norm, hate is on the rise, and where nobody seems to agree on even respecting things like human rights as a guiding principle, or what passes for common manners to the point the conversation and dialogue is from a genuine curiosity and open mindedness to talk, it won't lead to anything more than the continuation of the pitchfork and torch shaking.
Sounds a lot like Congress.
Lol true!
What about Senator Tills of Mon Calamaria, and Chuchi of Pantora. They seemed like good individuals who tried to actively help their people and try to do things diplomatically. We saw Tills doing some good work during the Battle of Mon Cala and she joined the delegation of 2000. And Chuchi wanted to end that civil war with the Tales peacefully, plus she was decent friends with Ahsoka by the looks of season 3.
@IRONHILLdwarf * Yeah, she was pretty cute.
Just saying, an even number of justices in the supreme court is a terrible idea. No tiebreaker vote.
that's the point
It is interesting to note that there are an even number of justices in the Supreme Court. No mention has yet been made on how split decisions are handled or avoided. This may be an explanation for having four trials of Nute Gunray, if the Court was split in deciding each of them and unable to reach a unanimous verdict, or even a supermajority (if this was required), or even in rendering verdicts at all (if simple majority was sufficient) causing a deadlock.
It's outrageous that after four trials in the Supreme Court, Nute Gunray is still the Viceroy of the Trade Federation.
@@goodmind4940 In the United States, when there are ties in the Supreme Court, the decision of the lower court stands. I sort of like that system.
@@dylanmau6606 there can only be a tie in the US Supreme Court if one of the justices abstains because there are 9 of them.
@@Bassman-mp8lh No, if one seat is vacant or one recuses themselves, then a tie is possible. This happened a lot in 2020 when there was a vacant seat. I don’t think your comment was necessary since this is common knowledge, and that was implied. You’d have to be brain dead not to know that.
In a nutshell Palpatine used the senate to gain more power and run the clone wars. Making it easy to play chess with both sides
Mas Ameda the real OG - he knew palpatine was siddious and still made it trough without squeeling😂
We all need some one like mas Amedda in our lives
Get out there and find yourself a Friend like Mas to help you move, be your best man, and cover up your horrible interstellar crimes against civilization...
@Alex Pokrandt Been there, done that. You'll just end up getting thrown down a shaft, trust me, not worth it...
@Alex Pokrandt But we can still be friends...
Ironic Mothma, Organa and Padme all started as stauch Pacifists. An slowly but surely ALL found themselves key leaders of eventually Legendary Combat forces. An proceeded to STAY that way pretty much the rest of their lives
I just now noticed how eerily similar the republic government structure is to modern US.
Man, I am getting slow.
The American Republic will be reorganized into the first, American EMPIRE!
Some dude in the future
Our system was meant to be much smaller and more freedom based. Unfortunately modern day power hunger people have slowly eroded things.
I mean, George is American
But also the prequels were also a critique on the Bush administration
It was just badly written because he was trying to create a kids movie at the same time
The Empire, despite visual allusions to Nazi Germany and the British Empire, actually behave more like the US. The Death Star is essentially our nuclear policy during the Cold War, Palpatine was modeled after Nixon, and the oppressive displays of force based off our attempts to further Imperialism. Never forget, the US supported General Franco and helped install Pinochet. There’s a reason many people don’t like us.
Darth Jar Jar is in control of the senate...
@Xilef_OW You didn't honestly think that he was acting on his own free will???
@@geetslys lol
Bruh!
Laughing it up in Naboo in retirement as a clown.
Anyone want to bet this will be the new comment of the week?
I did like Padme's friend from Greedo's species, his development during the episode where Jar Jar pretends to be a jedi was pretty interesting imo and his death was pretty sad.
Onaconda Farr?
Greedo's species are called 'Rodians' :)
@@DraconimLt who kill Onaconda Farr who ?
@@franksandoval6046 huh? I don't know, is he from the 'new' Star Wars? I don't watch that, why?
@@franksandoval6046 He was assassinated by his political aid
Mas Amedda, and Sly Moore were adjuncts who were very integral with Palpatines rise. Malastare, Aquala, and originally Utapau were very pro Palpatine.
It's no coincidence Amedda was in Vallorums ear before his ousting.
I just love the applause signs different senators use. It was the only thing I loved about those scenes as a Kid.
George Lucas really made the universe vast and engaging!
@@geetslys I would suppose that the "E.T." senators were too busy looking for a missing child as to otherwise be concerned with the goings on of the Galactic Senate. :-]
I always liked Dee's clap. It was begrudgingly, but it was honest in his respect for Padmé. Pretty much I think that's the core reason that he got axed and Sly Moore took his place - give him enough reason, and he would cross the aisle and negotiate (despite the amount maybe being pretty high).
Where are my E.T. senators?
The Grebleips's
The Asogian Delegation led by Senator Greblieps. He was arrested shortly after the formation of the Galactic Empire.
I’m guessing that the people who hated the political scenes in the prequels were the same people who didn’t pay attention in history class.
(Edit: despite what many people say, history class is very important, if we don’t learn it, we’re doomed to repeat it”)
We like politics. We DON'T like politics in Star Wars, at least in the prequels; TCW was much better at making SW politics watchable, even engaging.
Or here me out, its boring
Think about it, without the politics there would be no plot.
CJED don't forget communism, tsarism, full-on monarchy, etc., etc....
@@jordanhendrix2619 For some reason communism doesn’t seem very prevalent in Star Wars
Geetsly's: The other 2000 senators were trash.
Me: This is outrageous!
screams in chuchi
Well the empire still formed now didn't it?
@@geetslys I guess they accomplished that.
@@geetslys hey. Give senators chuchi of pantora and ondacanda farr of rodia some credit. They were allies of padme and part of her group. As well as meena tills of mon cala.
I love democracy
Literally the only ones worth thinking about are the ones who used blasters, or they were getting boned by a Jedi.
Or both
Explain Bail then, who was an extreme pacifist
Wesley Molt Bail used a blaster and helped Padme on many of her spine missions. He used a blaster when Padme and Him were looking into the attacks on Senators.
Lott Dod : it takes years for the Senate to decide on anything
That's still more progress than the US senate
I love democracy.
i love autocracy even more.
Hey Kennedy if you have a headache you should get an ice pack
Senator chuchi (the blue girl in the Frozen ass world in the clone wars) was also decent and archived something, albeit pretty small in the grand scheme of things
i would literally sit down and watch a star wars movie only showing the republic senate on a debate.
Star Wars C-SPAN or we riot
Battle droid commander Kerem maybe a series
The Rebel Alliance worked to restore the cesspool of corruption… I prefer the empire
How has everyone’s day/nights been?
Aight! We have some REALLY cool stuff coming up other than our regularly scheduled uploads.
Great hbu
Too many lagg spikes and disconnects in WOT Blitz tonight. So here i am enjoying another Geetsly's video.
@@BozheTsaryaKhrani good, thanks for asking
@Kwame Smith I’m pretty good thanks
At least the Star Wars senators are more active and less corrupt than the US senators.
Not really...
"Except for these four, the rest are all TRASH."
Now that I'm older, I understand why people didn't like watching the Clone Wars saga.
It's too much like real life :(
I feel like there can be cases made for some of the senators to at least be argued also get a kinda or half pass, but for all Star Wars putting expanded backgrounds to a lot of characters. It seems the Galatic Senate of thousands didn't recieve nearly as many cases of that. Despite lack of details on her whole story, but by what is givin and maybe assumed based on that, I believe a case can be made for a half pass on Silya Shessaun. I would also present Riyo Chuchi as a candidate for a half pass as well.
I was curious. The prequels made the politics so interesting. I love that the prequels are making a come back as better Star Wars.
Actually there were many highly competent senators, most notably from the corporations that used the senate to gain massive profits for their planets
The Republic really *should* put in check in procedures for decadent senators
Senator Chew-Chi of Pantora at least stoped a war on a second front for the republic, and took at least one trade federation scum down.
It's easy to blame Jar Jar for Palpatine's seizure of power, yet he just proposed giving the Chancellor emergency powers, and not one senator, not even Bail Organa or Mon Mothma, said no or proposed another idea
To make matters worse it was Padme that called for a vote of no confidence on Valorum which paved the way for Palpatine.
Its funny how Palpatine's core supporters were alien senators and politicians, given the anti-alien Empire he would build.
Yo, nice call out to my boi Garm Bel Iblis!
"[Palpatine] can do anything he wants to me-can take anything away from me that he will. I'll still fight him because it's the right thing to do. Period."
The way I remember on free tar is that episode where obi wan roasts him!! “ this morsel might prove to be hard to swallow even for the legendary appetite of on free tar” !! Perfect
Onaconda was was a slightly effective Senator who tried to do what was best for his people and an advent supporter of the Pacifist faction. And Senator Riyo Chuchi was a pretty strong senator, she did help keep her system out of the Confederacy, even taking part in a dangerous mission to save her system.
Palpatine: I am the Senate!
Me: So you're jack squat?
So Palpatine rose to power mostly backed by aliens and opposed by humans, but when he became Emperor his empire oppressed aliens and favored humans?
he was also put into the position of chancellor by the "head pacifist" in the Senate, Padme "Aggressive Negotiations" Amidala and her representative. Political tides turns quicker than you think
@@holeeshi9959 that's what happens when you let Jar Jar fucking Binks fill in
This came in my recommended
"Oh, no, I'm not brave enough for politics"
About as useless as our current Senators
Indeed
Republican Senators. Democrat Senators want to get stuff done
@@EdaugEthanbYT Soo... the political equivalent of Larry the Cable Guy
@@EdaugEthanbYT all political parties are shit
@@davidordaz5251 Imagine when there are about 30 parties and each of them wants something
If they're more forgettable than Jar Jar, then of course they are useless.
At least Jar Jar keeps away boredom
Makes him better in my eyes than the senators
@@An_Ian True
For better or worse....
It's kind of hard to forget Jar Jar
@@camoking3605 I hate to say it, but you're right.
What about the ET senators? I'm sure there chant "Phone Home!" Went a long way to helping in every situation.
“The problem with the Senate In my time was that group that would later be known as the CIS was that their influence in trade was stronger than the rest of The other senators. They represented trade interests and corporate interests, not the public interest, even of the citizens in their worlds sometimes, which is one reason why the Grand Army got at least mixed reception during the clone wars. Furthermore, constant threat of space battles suddenly erupting and widespread piracy was pretty bad for trade. Furthermore, the populist senators like Bail Organa not only were rather shut out by the corporate-aligned senators and later, by Palpatine when he persecuted the senators who opposed his power grab and transformation into his authoritarian Galactic Empire. While I like that the corporate powers were annihilated and nationalized, I did not like the means and rationalization.”
-CS/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Captain and scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion
based clone
The republic was far too big, it would be impossible for a senate to represent the interest of quadrillions of beings.
Very good point and actually based on what happened in the Legends continuity after ROTJ I have an idea on what they could have done to fix the problem the republic had that you just mentioned. Instead of one major galactic power there should be maybe 3 who are members of a Galactic Alliance to serve as mediators between them alongside the Jedi. The 3 factions could be the Republic, the Empire and the Confederacy.
The Alliance would possess a small but strong fleet and army to give themselves enough muscle to ensure their authority is respected, would be forbidden from having actual political power, is tasked with reducing conflict between Alliance members, promoting peace, reducing corruption within Alliance members, ensure that common enemies to all members are not unchallenged, and cooperate with the Jedi.
Geetsly's: You can't name any senators other than Padme, Bail Organa and Mon Mothma.
Me: Sure I can, I uh.......shit he's right!
They won't tell the truth about what they're up to
Honestly the only 2 really useful political figures were Mass Amedda and Sly Moore because they to wanted the galactic Empire a reality. The fact they knew Palpatine was Sith Lord from the beginning was badass in a sense that they basically said fuck it to what they believed was useless form of government in the Republic and helped Palpatine gain power. You could argue they were Yes men sell outs or just pyschophant's.
But they weren't just that because actually did things that would help Palpatine gain power without specifically asking for something in return. And we you see Mass Amedda talking to chancellor Palpatine it seems like a deep political and strategic power play or grab. And Palpatine seemed as if he was listing to suggestions from Mass Amedda on how to go about his next big move and was smirking with intrigue. Cleary palpatine respected Mass Amedda as a close friend and ally in forming the empire that he would reward in time for his efforts and Mass Ammeda doesn't seem appear like hes asking for any favours in return.
Where as the the true useless yes men simply just agree and hope to get something out it for themselves in return and if shit hits the fan there reputation is ruined they would just abandon ship and point the finger acting like they weren't apart of this political scandal or whatever or evil plot take over and change the whole way of governing period. Mass Amedda seems like the type of guy who do what ever he could to help Palpatine out of situation that could expose his true intentions or through backlash from any sort of scandal . Able to spin the narrative effectively in Palpatines favour or find legal loop holes to make what palpatine did legally justified even if morally wrong. While Sly Moore seemed to run a tight ship in hammering the policies and making sure they get passed by the legistslators as well.
So That why I think they are the most useful but for the wrong reasons by enabling and aiding an evil space wizard to come to power. Yes they would be considered sellouts and traders to the republic. Also Loyal and close friends to palpatine but not pyschophants. As they are able to not just blindly follow but think for themselves and even aren't afraid to disagree or have different opinion how palpatine should form his galactic empire. But I also think that Sheev Palpatine respected and welcomed any in put from Mass Amedda or Sly Moore because they were strong willed political figures that weren't push overs. And Mass Amedda was very commanding and intimidating chairman . So he could easily bribe the pyscophants to being sheevs political minions while intimidate and black mail opposing senators in to submission or force them sign policies that would give rise to Sheevs rule over the senate. So Irony is the most effective ones where the ones closest to Palpatine in the creation on the empire than those opposing it lol.
Thank goodness for THE SENATE. He brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to our galaxy
yup.
Well short-term peace and security only if you're a yes-person.
He even adopted one of the members of the council of his sworn enemies as his right hand man, pretty forgiving and tolerant of the Senate if you ask me.
If the opposite of "pro" is "con". The opposite of "progress" is...
I’m surprised there wasn’t a round of aggressive bumper cars when there was an argument
Who would have know that Palpatine had so many people and government entities inside him. The Dark Side truly is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
If you're stupid enough to think Palpatine is easy to control, you have no business governing a hotel, let alone a galaxy.
Onoconda Farr I think was good, he had wrongs but tried to do right by his people and was killed for it
Riyu Chuchi of Pantora had an episode in season 1 I think is one of the best ones. Then another arc in season 3 was it? I think she's pretty neat, she should get a pass too.
I’m going to be honest, the Senate seems remarkably similar to Congress.
And here I was thinking it was just me 🤔
Congress is Separatist Parliament
It is. George Lucas based the prequels off early 2000s politics. Palpatine is based almost entirely off George W. Bush.
@@-CrimsoN- If that's true, then explain Episode I which came out a year before Bush was elected and was no doubt written before he started campaigning
Sheev: *says something sus af*
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I got to give Chuchi credit for refusing to compromise her values and continuing to try to do the right thing even when people were trying to kill her for it. She almost succeeded in getting a clone rights’ bill passed over a military funding one, and would have if Palpatine wasn’t so good at twisting every spanned in the works to his advantage.
Presumably about as useful as politicians in the real world.
Padme , Mon Mothma and Bail Organa were only useful because they got up to stuff far beyond the job description of a politician.
A ship that I'll never give up: Sly More and Palpatine. I shiped them the moment I knew that shev was a grandparent, but sadly the NC doesn't support it. But if Palpatine truely was "naturally generating" a child with so. (insert robot Chicken joke here) I'd give Sly More the best chance of "helping" him ;).
So.... it's like my country's congress: filled with self interests
How about every country's
They were all useless. Palpatine became emperor without a hitch and the delegation of 2000 just gave him a list of his enemies names.
"The Republic is not what it once was."
This video is so good! I was looking for a video about the senate and then suddenly your notification popped up! Brilliant! Thanks wo much for an excellent video!
Who on earth allows the right hand of the executive to also be the speaker, AKA the moderator in charge of the order in which people speak. That gives far more room for corruption.
0:04 I nearly choked on my water laughing at that.
The real big thing is that the Republic/Empire are not really a "nation" more of a EU or UN. They are composed of thousands (presumably at least 2000) essentially independent civilisations each with their own governments and laws. Unlike our governments where most party members are just votes/seats for the party leader, in the SW republican senate most senators care only about their own civilisation. This is essentially why the senate continued in the empire as the only way to control the thousands of civilisations and untold trillions upon trillions of sentients across an entire galaxy as well as the whole point of the Death Star. Trying to control the whole galaxy with armies isn't practical, but scaring them into submission could be.
Thank You for including Garm Bel Iblis!
To put the petition of the 2000 into context: Proportional to the US senate, that would be like one senators left leg. Not even the whole senator. That’s how powerful Palpatine was.
How useless were the senators?
Yes
I am not surprised you could not kill all 2000 Senators in the KOTOR once you became sith.
The umbaran senate looks sleezy and cool. Like he'll ally himself with you then stab you in the back when you've outlived your usefulness. After all, tools are ment to be disposed of.
Reminds me of how in awakening of the rebellion (Star Wars empire at war mod) the umbarans fought for whoever had control over the planet at the time,
Didn't he actually wind up getting stabbed to death in The Clone Wars?
@@CollinMcLean eeyup.
@@CollinMcLean ironic.
Onnocanda from Rodia. No body mentioned him.
I was thinking him too
@@thecalmclone2813 Really? Huh. He's the only senator that I know besides Padme, Mon Mothma, and Bail Organa.
If they were worth knowing about then they wouldn't be useless.
What? How did the prequels spend a lot of time in the Senate? It's no more than what, 5 minutes across the 3 movies?
very nicely done! :)
The Galactic Senate was once a powerful government office during the Old Republic, but by the time of the Clone Wars its was just a shadow of its former self. One must remember that the Galactic Republic’s Senate ruled for nearly twenty eight thousand years, and for the most part they were successful, though one thousand years of peace brought untold corruption to the Senate. In times of crisis in the Old Republic Senate was quick to act, and those times of peace they respected their people proper, but the New Sith Wars brought destruction to the Galaxy on such a scale that they were force into a Dark Age. Though considering that the Senate in the Clone Wars were too powerful and corrupt that brought the Rise of the Galactic Empire by this corrupt.
Would there have been an Empire in the first place if Padmé had made General Tarpals the Gungan Representative in the Senate instead of Jar-Jar Binks?
That…is actually a very good idea. Really, any gungan would’ve been better than jar jar. Tarpals wouldn’t be influenced so easily and would be able to comprehend the ramifications of senate bills. Though he was basically in charge of the gungan military, so perhaps they couldn’t do without him.
Yes because out of fear of the CIS it was just only a matter of time for the Senate to approve the creation of the Clone Army. Palpatine's master stroke was that he used the corruption in the Republic to play both sides, not tricking some single clueless Senator.
That chi chi from Pantera got some screen time to do stuff in the clonewars cartoon
From what I understand in legends (and what I’m inferring from some gaps in the legends details) there is a hilarious ineptitude in one group of senators in particular, the senators for the Pantorans. Chuchi voted in favor of clovis becoming the new head of the banking clan, which apparently destroyed her political career. Afterwards, the chairman’s daughter was put in the position by fiat and decided to sign the petition of 2000. Interestingly, she wasn’t purged and her planet not crushed, but far worse. The empire, according to old source books, full on ejected Pantora from the empire and cut off all trade with the planet. This simple action led to famine and led to the Pantorans desperately trying to trade with anyone, with factions divided into the Republican faction, which wanted to join the alliance, the Appeasement faction, which wanted to return to the empire as ANYTHING so they can get trade, and the expansionists, basically wanting to turn pantora into a new Nal hutta. Last place legends leaves them is being skipped in galactic affairs and trying to develop their own unique technology while slowly expanding colonies around their sector, with role play books saying they had clone wars era weapons.
how the fuck Baron George Lucas managed to do this
I feel like the Republic could've bought itself some more time if, like Emperor Diocletian, they tried to make their government body more manageable by dividing the Republic up into multiple smaller administrative units. Which also could've helped to break apart some of the special interest groups within the Senate by dividing up certain factions.
You mean something like devolution? Mini-senates for each rim?
@@wildfire9280 Kind of.
Useless according to whom? To themselves with the pocket lining and their donors, they were pretty useful.. voting for bills and moving motions that they were literally bribed to do.. some carrying blocks of votes with them.. many consider the loyalists who let palpatine gain more power to subvert democracy and increase the military industry complex to be useless, but to the military, those profiting from war, to weapons manufacturing, energy companies, mining corporations, kamino’s labs and the banks, they were anything but. so when you say useless, that probably needs more defining.
The only one i think is truly useless and never had any translatable skill or experience in politics or decision making, is jar jar.
Politicians are useless?
In other news.
Water is wet.
0:39 garm bel iblis
I also we have not seen an effective senat mainly because we only see them durring war. I fell like durring peace or the high republic most Republic senators would be well known and an assassination would be a big deal
I have a question though, how could there be 2,000ish senators total and yet 'the petition of 2,000' was supposed to be only a small fraction of the senates total?
I've been wondering that myself for a while now. I figure "petition of 2000" isn't meant to be literal - it wasn't signed by 2000 Senators/reps, but rather that the ones who signed it claimed to be doing so on behalf of the whole Senate. But that's just my headcanon there.
@@geetslys maybe but that doesn't really fit for me cos it would be misrepresentation (and I don't think that fits THESE senators) and besides anyone who read it would see that it wasn't. I always saw it as 2,000 senators (and including some lesser reps maybe) signed this petition and there were something like 10,000 total 'cause Palpatine claims at one point that he controls the senate eg. the majority. Surely a galaxy that big with so many species and planets would need more than 2,000 senators even just for the major worlds? I mean there are a few hundred(?) human worlds alone - Naboo, Corellia, Tanaab, Chandrila and Corulag to name only a few, each of these would probably have a senator. The United States senate apparently has 100 senators and that's 1 country on 1 planet...
Is it bad that I can name more Star Wars Senators than I can real US senators? lmao
Career politicians, hell even in the games you see that Black Sun was in half their pockets
Nice breakdown of the US senate, now do the galactic
Garm Bel Iblis is a fucking legend that gets slept on far too much!
Thanks
For what?
@@geetslys the video
0:30 I can name one more, JAR JAR BINKS
Legislators tend to be always Useless in general they represent too many different factional wants to be very functional at times
I hear those E.T. Guys were very persuasive
Even then Discanon ruins Mon Mothma turning her into yet another one of Palpatine's bitches.
its nice to know even in a galaxy far far away politics seem to never change