@Jennifer Brewer its because Geetslys made that shit up. Notice how he never states where his source for that information comes from. Geetslys has an agenda of painting the Coruscant Gaurd in a bad light. And he often just makes shit up to further that agenda. A quick Google search goes a long way when it comes to fact-checking what Geetslys says. Most of the time, it tends to just be made up BS to fit his own narrative.
@@eddieram435 I think the problem with Crosshair is that it feels weird to think of him as "evil" none of this was really his choice. Faie feels like he has a tiny bit more agency
I think people standard for clones are too high, if you think about it, they’re never taught to be human, and their soul purpose is to exist as a killing tool, when your life is already gotten messed up it’s hard to have a good personality
He was a soldier who knew his exact purpose in life and followed just that. Not to mention he was paired with a Jedi who already had bias against his kind. Clones are basically bred to be obedient drones with little to no connection or empathy for other beings. They are killers first and foremost. Of course that depended on how influential their Jedi counterparts were in broadening their horizons. Not in this case.
I'm certain Anakin would have been so tempted to kill Faie within in a minute, those two should just never meet. I'd bet even Rex would and the rest like Kix, Jesse, Hardcase, Fives, Denal or just everyone would hate Faie.
One of the many things I love about Star Wars are the back story of characters that normally at first glance don’t appear to matter but in reality if you look closely your found they are more than a blank face which is cool and a bit unsettling
Absolutely. So many people just see the movies or some of the movies and think that there's no depth to the lore, characters or background stories. If you explore both the legends or cannon EU there's so much more there with even literal background characters with no dialogue have life stories and family legacies. The animated series deals so much with politics, culture, society's treatment of veterans, the glorification of war, PTSD, economic colonialism, client states, power dynamics, history, a variety of relationship types, corporatism, corruption, social and religious dogma and so many other things. Hell, the original trilogy was about fascism and America's genocidal wars in post WWII Southeast Asia and the prequel trilogy was (unintentionally) an absolutely perfect analogy for the neverending war on terror. The storyline between Palpatine/Anakin and Darth Sidious/Vader is the very definition of an inequitable power dynamic and the relationship between Padme and Anakin is the absolute definition of a toxic relationship. All of which was done with very precise intent, and, even though the prequel trilogy wasn't conceived of as an analogy for the War on Terrorism, the fact that it is such a perfect analogy for it tells you how intentional Lucas was with his political commentary. I'm not a fan who spends time hating on the Disney movies but them attempting to succeed at telling background stories by giving a story to the little thing dangling from the ceiling of the cockpit in the Millennium Falcon shows how unaware they were of what makes people love Star Wars. People didn't watch the prequels to find out why Luke's father wound up with a lightsaber that color and we didn't walk into the Force Awakens because we were overwhelmed with curiosity about what happened to Luke's outfit after Episode VI. Sorry for the rant, lol
In my opinion, many clones had genuine hearts and souls such as Rex or Fives, some like these three, well... were downright evil. Not every clone was good: Some were genuine heroes, some were indifferent, some were evil
"If he was ordered to kill all the children in the galaxy whit his bare hands, he not only would've done it, but he also would've become angry and indignant at anyone who tried to tell him he shouldn't be doing it"
Is it possible to do the three most good clones? Or has that already been done? Because I think we need that after all the evil we just witnessed. Is it even possible to narrow it down to just three? Could give it a shot.
@@inductivegrunt94 As much as I liked Fives, Commander Fox did give him a chance to stand down in all fairness, and before I hear the "He could have used stun!" argument, if I remember correctly, that setting is slower and considering they were against an ARC trooper who even when drugged was capable of defending himself, I don't think I can blame him for defending his men, y'know?
I knew Commander Faie was gonna be in here, he’s an easy choice. Must admit though I’m impressed with the diversity in this top 3, I was expecting either Fox/Bacara/Neyo to be in here and I never knew about Keller until now.
I feel like being in the corasaunt guard was just rolling the dice and losing hard. Thire seemed like a decent leader during ambush and caring for his men. But years off being in the millatary police probally removed any emotion he felt for the people he was affecting. It became just another mission. And I think the cycle went both ways, a new clone is assigned to the corasaunt guard. All the citizens hate him, he has no idea why and he starts to hate them back.
@@xavierterrelong9385 Crosshair is interesting because we sort of see him as ambitious and cruel as other "bad" clones, but he is also very much presented as a victim of the chip and the Imperial policies.
@@rosesweetcharlotte I’m not sure ambitious is the right way of looking at it he’s just a dude born to kill droids and fallow orders it’s only recently that the ones giving him orders also don’t appreciate him because they’re racist against clones which is good enough reason to betray the empire I mean ask kallus in the not so distant future
The first three aren’t really that evil as they are military-minded and indifferent to the harshness of war. Bacara is very much a commander that wouldn’t be crying tears for a fallen brother like Red would and go on with his life.
There is an enormous difference between loyal and obedient. Many of the most evil clones were obedient. Loyalty is not a faultable trait, these clones abandoned their loyalty.
Hey we don't hate all of the Coruscant Guard, Thorn is awesome and i would love to see him again if they have a series take place before season 6 of TCW
Maybe Thire probably have Ptsd after he saw Fives' death, he doesn't seen trust emperor palpatine after he order fox to execute fives, that's why Thire care about his brothers, hopefully He in The bad batch season 3 where he with Rex.
@@Fr0stbit3_ he let a bunch of senators be captured/kidnapped, and later he let Coruscant’s power grid thing get bombed by CIS droids which led to a few senators get killed and the republic buying 5 million clone troopers which nearly led to the republic being bankrupt and stuff also one of the senators that got killed was umbaran and that senator was very very loved by his people due to him dying and stuff made Umbara to align with the CIS and well led to the battle of Umbara which was a battle where a bunch of clones like Hardcase, Waxer, Oz, and Ringo to die.
For All his faults, Fox genuinely apologized to Vader when he made a mistake, rescued Padme from Ziro, and seemed regretful of having to kill Fives. Yes he was a scumbag, but he had his moments of decency. You can't really say that about Keller or Faie. Whenever people say Fox is the worst Clone Commander, I admittedly silently laugh. And that was BEFORE this video where I learned Thire was worse too!
Faie is what the Imperial Army should of modelled the Stormtrooper program off a Model Solider who is Loyal to a T no order is too much No fight is too hard its what a army should be based on.
I think the ratio between good and bad clones is roughly 40:60 in both canon and legends, and the ratio between extremely combat effective to decent clones is 20:80 or something along those lines based on everything the clones have done.
They were all homicidal foot soldiers who fought for an undemocratic, corrupt and expansionist government that ignored the wants and needs of the majority of its people while being massively speciesist. Separatists wanted to leave that Republic so they could govern themselves without being exploited by a distant institution which does pay attention to or give concern to them. Not to mention that clones and the Republic committed numerous war crimes and crimes against life during the CW era. There's a reason it's said that the empire was an empire in practice long before it was an empire in name.
“We hate Commander Fox” I was rewatching the episodes that showed Fox as “evil” and y’all are overreacting. Fox literally did nothing wrong. Y’all are just butthurt because Anakin was yelling at him to let him in to see a murderer when Fox was given orders not to. And don’t forget it was Rex who gave the order to assume Ahsoka was armed and dangerous and had killed 3 clones.
I do like the change where the clones are mind-controlled with the chips, though I prefer keeping the clones without the chip. It gives the clones a more grey area overall.
@@OutOfIdeas9977 I know, they are legends clones. Which is exactly my point. Imagine if the clones didn't have chips, but the war itself made them dead inside.
@@OutOfIdeas9977 I know that but every clone was led to believe that they were gonna end up dead or worse re conditioned if they didn’t follow an order
How can the CG be bad its a job at the end of the day they're the ones defending a entire planet and why not use a bit of police Brutality every now and again. CG are badass to the extent of the 501st are awsome at killing Jedi
Geetslys where are you getting most of these sources from on Thire? Almost none of this is on his Wookiepedia page. Are you making this up to further your own agenda of hating the Coruscant Guard?
EU Cody: Hey you idiotic hooded bastard, could you have given the order before I gave his light saber back? Also, why the hell do we have to train these idiotic storm troopers? They suck! Worthless, all off them! 😡 Canon Cody: Good soldiers....follow orders 🥺😭
@@TheLeatheryman I’m assuming you’re talking about my “pro-gamer” remark. Keller declared martial law and put curfews in place of a town in order to catch Jedi, using all resources he had at his disposal to accomplish his objective while under the influence of order 66. Keller was trying to complete his mission as quickly and efficiently as possible.
@@indianajones4321 Ok thank you for the reply. I’m still a little confused as to what defines a “pro gamer” response. Is that just using everything at his disposal?
@@TheLeatheryman it’s being as effective as possible with a limited cost, at least on the surface from the source material. I don’t think he lost any troopers in his operation.
I would really love to see Thire or Keller make an appearance in The Bad Batch. Either one of them would be the exact opposite of Howzer, Cody, or Crosshair.
I’m rewatching the Ahsoka framing ARC and Fox literally doesn’t do anything out of line lol. Rex even issues the “Ahsoka killed 3 clones, consider her armed and dangerous” order; not Fox.
For most people it's him killing Fives, a fan favorite. Though even then you can tell he's grappling with what he just did under the helmet with his body language.
I understand your point, but I think the thing that makes it understandable is lack of context on Fox’s part. WE as the audience know Fives is an innocent man trying to stop a master manipulator from destroying the republic. FOX, on the other hand is dealing with a visibly unstable turncoat who as far as he knows, has just tried to assassinate the republics head of state. He COULD have used stun, but at this point, he’s still on the side of the Jedi, and Fives has just pulled a blaster on the Jedi, Him, and his fellow men. Was it wrong to shoot him? Yes. Did Fox have the time to consider that in the split second between Fives pulling the blaster and Fox taking the shot? No. There’s also the possibility that he HAD it on stun, but the second Fives pulled and aimed the blaster all bets were off.
"When you're born into evil, evil isn't recognized as such, to those born in our pit of an existence, it's just life." Captain Jason A-45 in private communication to Jedi General Ember Tarlaa regarding his view on the Republic Core Worlds (20BBY)
I kinda have to wonder with Fay and Voss if it was a matter of the Republic pairing the worst duo imaginable, or if it started with mild dislike of one another, but escalated as they both embraced becoming the embodiment of what the other complained about out of childish ego. Just a petty tiff that slowly consumed their entire personalities.
Hey you can probably blame Yoda for Thire. He probably gave Thire the inspiration he needed to rise the ranks further. Even so the coruscant guard is still my favorite .
WOW what a jaw dropping video. i had no idea that Thire was that bad i always thought he would be good. also, thanks for telling me about the other too commanders.
Huh, the second and especially the thrid choice was very much expected, but Thire was defiantly a surprise, he seemed like a good dude in that first episode, but then again I thought Crosshair seemed like a good dude in Clone Wars and we all know what side he ended up choosing, so I guess just like when it came to the Bad Batch in relation to Crosshair, I guess I didn't know Thire all that well after all. How about we discuss the morally best Clones next, the ones that were loyal to the Republic, but like some Jedi, they weren't loyal to the point of stupidity, like Rex, Fives, and so on.
Yeah but least Rys and Jek had debatably easier fates. From what I heard Rys despite following Order 66 due to the chios as soon as it's effects wore off he was horrified by it and deserted. Jek apparently died on Kashyyyk though but least he didn't have to see the results of the war
Jek joined the ranger corps after that episode and he’s actually the clone next to gree who tried to kill Yoda after order 66, so sadly Yoda had to kill him
Video Idea: Shortly before the battle of Coruscant, Palpatine fumbles his laptop after Senator Binks goofs up. A bunch of Palpatine's messages get sent to the wrong recipients, and now Anakin knows that Palpatine's schemes are what is threatening Padme. Mace Windu knows that Palpatine is a Sith Lord intending to make Anakin his new apprentice. Count Dooku knows that Palpatine plans to betray and replace him. General Grievous knows that Dooku and Palpatine killed his wife. Commander Cody and Obi Wan know about the Inhibitor Chips. What Happens?
Palp's dead, one way or another: via Order 65, Mace's or Anakin's lightsaber, or executed after trial in the senate after being impeached. And since Mas Ameda had complicity, he's also either deposed or executed. Dooku and Grievous have life in prison if the testify against Palpatine, which in my mind they wouldn't care to do after what you just described concerning them.
@@snapshotinhistory1367 palps is getting religious for sure, but I think the more interesting things would be the stuff beyond that. The Separatists are still separate, this war has been going for a while now. Dooku and the SC has a government and an army still and no incentive to lose this war. Grievous has his armies too, and has likely just shifted from "nearly omnicidal" to "fully omnicidal" Being a Sith isn't illegal and the Republic is still heavily staffed by Palpatine appointees, so a trial will be required if Mace or Anakin killed him, which they almost certainly will, and there will be a lot of people with reasons to obfuscate the parts of Palpatine's doing that aren't fully digested yet. You could potentially see a Jedi-Republic vs. Senate-Republic vs. What-The-Hell-Just-Happened?-Republic divide that could turn into a second contemporaneous civil war, plus you've got the Separatists still fighting and confused with many uncertain if Grievous is still on their side while he takes his ships and just starts indiscriminately glassing systems in a nihilistic rage against all life.
Uh... I'm no expert on military rules/regs, but isn't killing dozens of your own soldiers to take out one Jedi called *fratricide,* which is grounds for court martial and possible execution? I mean, wasn't Faie against breaking *any* rule? 🤔
To be fair the brain chips were supposed to have brain washed all the clones completely, enhancing the violence in them, and making them more evil. That’s why clones like Keller were mean. At least that’s how it was until Dave filoni ret conned it.
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To think I respected thire's courage to keep pushing against the seperatists in the first clone wars opeisode. Hearing this, man thire really is an ass.
I will not have you slander the Guard! The boys in Red are heroes of the Republic. .... For real tho commander Fox 🦊 is my favorite clone trooper 'uniform wise' sh!t is dope
![How our Favourite Clone Commanders Moral Perspectives on War Differed so Drastically [Pt.1]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/JOso9LpRV4Q/mqdefault.jpg)
“Thire! Rush not into fights! Long is the war! Only by surviving it, will you prevail”
Bet Yoda regrets giving that advice to Thire
Pretty much
I didn't know any of that about Thire. Holy CRAP.
To think I was nice to that jerk! And I knew the Coruscant Guard was bad, but this just pissed me off to a freaking boiling point!!!!
@Jennifer Brewer its because Geetslys made that shit up. Notice how he never states where his source for that information comes from. Geetslys has an agenda of painting the Coruscant Gaurd in a bad light. And he often just makes shit up to further that agenda. A quick Google search goes a long way when it comes to fact-checking what Geetslys says. Most of the time, it tends to just be made up BS to fit his own narrative.
Im honestly just glad that Thorn wasn't like them.
Most clones: I’ll do the right thing
These three: I missed the part where that’s my problem
Give me rent!
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul you'll get your rent when you fix this DAMN door
@@tylerhalloran9158 gonna cry?
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul That’s a cute outfit. Did your husband give it to you?
@@cameronis8089 oh you can't do this to me... I've started this company.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I'VE SACRIFICED!
Not even Crosshair was as loyal and sociopathic as Faie, absolute evil.
Crosshair is a clichéd character with a predictable story arc. Star Wars needs to move away from the lame bad guy goes AWOL and turns good later on.
@@eddieram435 I think the problem with Crosshair is that it feels weird to think of him as "evil" none of this was really his choice. Faie feels like he has a tiny bit more agency
I think people standard for clones are too high, if you think about it, they’re never taught to be human, and their soul purpose is to exist as a killing tool, when your life is already gotten messed up it’s hard to have a good personality
He was a soldier who knew his exact purpose in life and followed just that. Not to mention he was paired with a Jedi who already had bias against his kind. Clones are basically bred to be obedient drones with little to no connection or empathy for other beings. They are killers first and foremost. Of course that depended on how influential their Jedi counterparts were in broadening their horizons. Not in this case.
@@marlonbrando5794 i mean, if you take out the inhibitor chips
Given Faie’s hatred for Vos, imagine if he was assigned to the 501st Legion.
we *DONT* talk about that Idea
I'm certain Anakin would have been so tempted to kill Faie within in a minute, those two should just never meet. I'd bet even Rex would and the rest like Kix, Jesse, Hardcase, Fives, Denal or just everyone would hate Faie.
@@kamuiwarp1784 Faie probably would've "gone missing" on some Outer Rim planet.
@@kamuiwarp1784, to them, Faie would be an even more extreme and even more insufferable Dogma.
@@occam7382Atleast Dogma was just a rookie
One of the many things I love about Star Wars are the back story of characters that normally at first glance don’t appear to matter but in reality if you look closely your found they are more than a blank face which is cool and a bit unsettling
Absolutely. So many people just see the movies or some of the movies and think that there's no depth to the lore, characters or background stories.
If you explore both the legends or cannon EU there's so much more there with even literal background characters with no dialogue have life stories and family legacies.
The animated series deals so much with politics, culture, society's treatment of veterans, the glorification of war, PTSD, economic colonialism, client states, power dynamics, history, a variety of relationship types, corporatism, corruption, social and religious dogma and so many other things.
Hell, the original trilogy was about fascism and America's genocidal wars in post WWII Southeast Asia and the prequel trilogy was (unintentionally) an absolutely perfect analogy for the neverending war on terror.
The storyline between Palpatine/Anakin and Darth Sidious/Vader is the very definition of an inequitable power dynamic and the relationship between Padme and Anakin is the absolute definition of a toxic relationship.
All of which was done with very precise intent, and, even though the prequel trilogy wasn't conceived of as an analogy for the War on Terrorism, the fact that it is such a perfect analogy for it tells you how intentional Lucas was with his political commentary.
I'm not a fan who spends time hating on the Disney movies but them attempting to succeed at telling background stories by giving a story to the little thing dangling from the ceiling of the cockpit in the Millennium Falcon shows how unaware they were of what makes people love Star Wars.
People didn't watch the prequels to find out why Luke's father wound up with a lightsaber that color and we didn't walk into the Force Awakens because we were overwhelmed with curiosity about what happened to Luke's outfit after Episode VI.
Sorry for the rant, lol
In my opinion, many clones had genuine hearts and souls such as Rex or Fives, some like these three, well... were downright evil. Not every clone was good: Some were genuine heroes, some were indifferent, some were evil
Don't forget about Waxer and 99, especially 99.
Well it's loyalty
@@zero312 Definitely
Pretty sure these are legends anyway. Thire in CW was likely much different than what we see here
@@Fr0stbit3_ Never thought Thire had that in him
A live action series about the shock troopers in the style of The Boys would be awesome
This stories would do amazing arcs in an animated show
There was definitely something wrong with Commander Faie.
It was bound to happen. All clones are different.
Yeah. It's called loyalty. No inhibitor chips required.
"If he was ordered to kill all the children in the galaxy whit his bare hands, he not only would've done it, but he also would've become angry and indignant at anyone who tried to tell him he shouldn't be doing it"
Had Faie survived to see 0 BBY, he would’ve been excited to blow up Alderaan.
@@oriongear2499We do not speak of Alderaan around here.
Is it possible to do the three most good clones? Or has that already been done? Because I think we need that after all the evil we just witnessed. Is it even possible to narrow it down to just three? Could give it a shot.
CC Ponds will most likely be number 1 sad he died early on, but at least he didn’t commit order 66
Probably the ones that sacrificed themselves can’t remember all but their was a couple hevy Fox and Fives probably more
@@j3680 Fox was the Coruscant Guard commander that shot Fives. He's nowhere near good.
If on about most good I'd say Rex, Ponds and Maybe either Doom or Wolfe for top 3 most good clone leaders.
@@inductivegrunt94 As much as I liked Fives, Commander Fox did give him a chance to stand down in all fairness, and before I hear the "He could have used stun!" argument, if I remember correctly, that setting is slower and considering they were against an ARC trooper who even when drugged was capable of defending himself, I don't think I can blame him for defending his men, y'know?
Sensing a trend here. 2 of the 3 clones Yoda had with him have either tried to kill him, or were brutally subjugative.
As Kreia says, to be loyal to an ideal is to be willing to betray it (or something like that)
Random person: *likes state power and believes in security and efficiency over liberty and equality
Geetlys and his fandom: OMG SO EVIL!!!
Coruscant Guard just sounds like American cops lmao 😂😂
I think even Crosshair would've been reviled at the actions of these three clones.
I knew Commander Faie was gonna be in here, he’s an easy choice. Must admit though I’m impressed with the diversity in this top 3, I was expecting either Fox/Bacara/Neyo to be in here and I never knew about Keller until now.
I feel like being in the corasaunt guard was just rolling the dice and losing hard. Thire seemed like a decent leader during ambush and caring for his men. But years off being in the millatary police probally removed any emotion he felt for the people he was affecting. It became just another mission. And I think the cycle went both ways, a new clone is assigned to the corasaunt guard. All the citizens hate him, he has no idea why and he starts to hate them back.
These guys redefine "evil clone".
One of my favorite quotes is good soldiers follow orders and these guys live and die by that quote.
If you're Palpatine's favorite soldier or officer than you know you're a terrible person.
Appo, Neyo, Bacara and Crosshair are all pretty evil clones.
Crosshair did kill Stormtroopers and lieutenant
@@xavierterrelong9385 Crosshair is interesting because we sort of see him as ambitious and cruel as other "bad" clones, but he is also very much presented as a victim of the chip and the Imperial policies.
Appo!? Crosshair!? Being evil I think not.
@@rosesweetcharlotte I’m not sure ambitious is the right way of looking at it he’s just a dude born to kill droids and fallow orders it’s only recently that the ones giving him orders also don’t appreciate him because they’re racist against clones which is good enough reason to betray the empire I mean ask kallus in the not so distant future
The first three aren’t really that evil as they are military-minded and indifferent to the harshness of war. Bacara is very much a commander that wouldn’t be crying tears for a fallen brother like Red would and go on with his life.
Keller and Faye nice
There is an enormous difference between loyal and obedient.
Many of the most evil clones were obedient. Loyalty is not a faultable trait, these clones abandoned their loyalty.
"Isard was well known for being a fascist prick." LMAO who wrote these subtitles?
Dude looks badass with the hood and robes
Hey we don't hate all of the Coruscant Guard, Thorn is awesome and i would love to see him again if they have a series take place before season 6 of TCW
Good soliders follow orders.
Good men follow their conscience.
Maybe Thire probably have Ptsd after he saw Fives' death, he doesn't seen trust emperor palpatine after he order fox to execute fives, that's why Thire care about his brothers, hopefully He in The bad batch season 3 where he with Rex.
It definitely would’ve been interesting to see Keller & Faie in TCW.
Good soldiers follow orders. Great soldiers follow said orders with no question. But bad soldiers are good people.
I just love commander Fox and Thire 🤣🤷🏻♂️ I can't help it.... but all the commanders discussed here are the ones I came to love
*Thire
@@oriongear2499 sry typing error
@@bloodygoat6941 random question do you love Thorn and Stone?
You're not being objective when you call fox evil lmao
Do you really want to be reminded about what he did?
@@OutOfIdeas9977What did Fox do? I know what Fives did which got himself killed but Fox did nothing wrong
@@Fr0stbit3_ he let a bunch of senators be captured/kidnapped, and later he let Coruscant’s power grid thing get bombed by CIS droids which led to a few senators get killed and the republic buying 5 million clone troopers which nearly led to the republic being bankrupt and stuff also one of the senators that got killed was umbaran and that senator was very very loved by his people due to him dying and stuff made Umbara to align with the CIS and well led to the battle of Umbara which was a battle where a bunch of clones like Hardcase, Waxer, Oz, and Ringo to die.
@@OutOfIdeas9977 oh yeah then I guess Rex let all his clone brothers die so he’s evil I suppose
Your logic baffles me
@@Fr0stbit3_ I mean for a reason……. Edit: okay let me change a word he failed to protect senators and protect Coruscant’s power grid from exploding.
Shout out to Keller, one of my favorite obscure clones
Don’t forget about Koho.
Don't surrender yourself to a corrupt government.
Surrender yourself to the light side of the Force.
Hey can’t forget the control chips in their heads that made them do it so there not technically evil
What chips?
I think you forgot the fact that chips in clones heads didn’t exist when Keller and Faie were made
For All his faults, Fox genuinely apologized to Vader when he made a mistake, rescued Padme from Ziro, and seemed regretful of having to kill Fives. Yes he was a scumbag, but he had his moments of decency. You can't really say that about Keller or Faie. Whenever people say Fox is the worst Clone Commander, I admittedly silently laugh. And that was BEFORE this video where I learned Thire was worse too!
All clone Covert Ops fall into this category
Clones: Good Soliders Follow Orders.
These 3 clones: No Order is Bad Exicute Order 25
Faie is what the Imperial Army should of modelled the Stormtrooper program off a Model Solider who is Loyal to a T no order is too much No fight is too hard its what a army should be based on.
5:04 this is like when the teacher punishes the whole class for what one student did
I’m honestly surprised Thire was more evil then Fox. Though you could argue Fox is a saint compared to Faye
Good soldiers follow orders, great ones question them and think for themselves.
Except when you need a chip to follow orders
Very true.
Coruscant Guards on TOP!
Commanders thorn and stone as well as jek, and rys were good clones.
Yep
@@OutOfIdeas9977 exactly
So basically:
Fox: “Fuck you.”
Thire: “Fuck you.”
The Coruscant Guard as a whole: “Fuck you.”
Commander Thorn: “You cool.”
So Commander Thorn is the only good person in the Coruscant Guard?
Now the 3 best morally clones
I wonder if faie would have changed at all had he lived and served the empire kind of like crosshair
Great vid Geetsly, thanks for the upload.
Faie turns his bodycam off
I think the ratio between good and bad clones is roughly 40:60 in both canon and legends, and the ratio between extremely combat effective to decent clones is 20:80 or something along those lines based on everything the clones have done.
They were all homicidal foot soldiers who fought for an undemocratic, corrupt and expansionist government that ignored the wants and needs of the majority of its people while being massively speciesist.
Separatists wanted to leave that Republic so they could govern themselves without being exploited by a distant institution which does pay attention to or give concern to them.
Not to mention that clones and the Republic committed numerous war crimes and crimes against life during the CW era.
There's a reason it's said that the empire was an empire in practice long before it was an empire in name.
The coruscant guard kind of seem like the combine from half-life 2
The dark side of the Clone army, they fell to:Darth yodus
I like the coruscant guards
“We hate Commander Fox”
I was rewatching the episodes that showed Fox as “evil” and y’all are overreacting. Fox literally did nothing wrong. Y’all are just butthurt because Anakin was yelling at him to let him in to see a murderer when Fox was given orders not to. And don’t forget it was Rex who gave the order to assume Ahsoka was armed and dangerous and had killed 3 clones.
Rex was the one that gave the order? I don’t recall.
@@OutOfIdeas9977 Yup, after they found the 3 dead clones Rex was the one who gave the order
This made my day. Great video.
I do like the change where the clones are mind-controlled with the chips, though I prefer keeping the clones without the chip. It gives the clones a more grey area overall.
Except that there are no chips in faie and Keller.
@@OutOfIdeas9977 I know, they are legends clones. Which is exactly my point.
Imagine if the clones didn't have chips, but the war itself made them dead inside.
Personally, I’m indifferent to the whole Inhibitor Chip vs Clone Indoctrination debate.
Ngl when I first saw some photos of the most recent bad batch episode before I saw it I thought mayday might have been filonies take on Keller
More like Mayday is what Keller would be if he had a moral conscious.
if these guys had inhibitor chips, I doubt they even activated.
If they had the chips, they'd show remorse and blame themselves because the jedi were their friends
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul what?
@@DorsenFilm you saw what I wrote
COMMANDERN THIRE ORG WAS A ARC TROOPER 3 INCH TOY I STILL OWN LMFAO PART OF THE ROTS CATAL;OG
Says Kelar is evil when he didn’t exactly have a choice in obeying order 66🤦♂️
Actually he did because in case if you don’t know chips don’t exist in Legends
@@OutOfIdeas9977 I know that but every clone was led to believe that they were gonna end up dead or worse re conditioned if they didn’t follow an order
@@Caseyandlola4579 True
Knew Faye would be at the top of the worst. Of course my least favorite my favorites actually Bacarra and then probly Rex
Faie was really evil, still a great character.
I hope those who are in or are going to join the US military take this at 8:11 to heart
How can the CG be bad its a job at the end of the day they're the ones defending a entire planet and why not use a bit of police Brutality every now and again. CG are badass to the extent of the 501st are awsome at killing Jedi
Evil is relative
Geetslys where are you getting most of these sources from on Thire? Almost none of this is on his Wookiepedia page. Are you making this up to further your own agenda of hating the Coruscant Guard?
I actually have a commander faie action figure
first
also nice video
Pong Krell, “You’re committing mutiny, Captain.”
Rex, “Well, it’s a good thing you’re not the Senate.”
Now I am sad that Pong died and wasn't around for Order 66... could have been a cool fight.
@@badgamemaster Probably would have ended just the same as the battle on Umbara.
@@avazquez01 you mean he gets ass fucked by some clones when he’s in prison only difference it’s in corrisaunt not umbara
@@avazquez01 yeah, that Umbara incident is like a controlled Order 66 without the order.
Cody: “Good soldiers follow orders.” *Deeply regrets shooting Kenobi*
Legends Cody: "FFS, couldn't we have received Order 66 before Kenobi got back?"
@@Jedi_Spartan In the novel he laments the fact that he received the Order after giving Kenobi back his sabre.
@@jaanikaapa6925 thats.... Literally what the person is referring to.
EU Cody: Hey you idiotic hooded bastard, could you have given the order before I gave his light saber back? Also, why the hell do we have to train these idiotic storm troopers? They suck! Worthless, all off them! 😡
Canon Cody: Good soldiers....follow orders 🥺😭
@Jaani Kääpä yes, but that was right when he was still on Utapau vs in Bad Batch where he had months to think about it
Keller just did what’s called a pro-gamer move, also he looks as awesome as Commander Mayday
Lol yeah
Can you elaborate on that for me? Not sure what you mean.. but yeah.. cool looking clone!
@@TheLeatheryman I’m assuming you’re talking about my “pro-gamer” remark. Keller declared martial law and put curfews in place of a town in order to catch Jedi, using all resources he had at his disposal to accomplish his objective while under the influence of order 66. Keller was trying to complete his mission as quickly and efficiently as possible.
@@indianajones4321 Ok thank you for the reply. I’m still a little confused as to what defines a “pro gamer” response. Is that just using everything at his disposal?
@@TheLeatheryman it’s being as effective as possible with a limited cost, at least on the surface from the source material. I don’t think he lost any troopers in his operation.
Video Idea: Jedi That With the best Drip
Starkiller with the Jedi adventure robes. Who knew the Jedi had fits like that
Tarre Viszla for sure
And can they compare to Ludo Kressh, Dark Lord of the Drip?
Count Dooku (technically)
Rahm Kota, Quinlan Vos, Bardan Jusik, and Lucien Draay.
Geetslys at 10AM on a Sunday before a week of 12 hour shifts... Absolutely made my weekend, Man! Love your content!
Good luck with those shifts!
I would really love to see Thire or Keller make an appearance in The Bad Batch. Either one of them would be the exact opposite of Howzer, Cody, or Crosshair.
I greatly misread this and was as confused as I was curious.
Commander Fox isn't evil and I'm tired of people saying he is
I’m rewatching the Ahsoka framing ARC and Fox literally doesn’t do anything out of line lol. Rex even issues the “Ahsoka killed 3 clones, consider her armed and dangerous” order; not Fox.
For most people it's him killing Fives, a fan favorite. Though even then you can tell he's grappling with what he just did under the helmet with his body language.
@@infinitymatrix5421im gonna sound like someone who cant cope with fives death but he had mass amount of time to put his gun to stun
I understand your point, but I think the thing that makes it understandable is lack of context on Fox’s part. WE as the audience know Fives is an innocent man trying to stop a master manipulator from destroying the republic. FOX, on the other hand is dealing with a visibly unstable turncoat who as far as he knows, has just tried to assassinate the republics head of state. He COULD have used stun, but at this point, he’s still on the side of the Jedi, and Fives has just pulled a blaster on the Jedi, Him, and his fellow men. Was it wrong to shoot him? Yes. Did Fox have the time to consider that in the split second between Fives pulling the blaster and Fox taking the shot? No. There’s also the possibility that he HAD it on stun, but the second Fives pulled and aimed the blaster all bets were off.
"When you're born into evil, evil isn't recognized as such, to those born in our pit of an existence, it's just life."
Captain Jason A-45 in private communication to Jedi General Ember Tarlaa regarding his view on the Republic Core Worlds (20BBY)
What book is that quote from
...Looked up these names in Wookieepedia, and I suspect this being fanfiction. Honestly.
@@michaelandreipalon359
Yep, sorry to disappoint 🫤
I kinda have to wonder with Fay and Voss if it was a matter of the Republic pairing the worst duo imaginable, or if it started with mild dislike of one another, but escalated as they both embraced becoming the embodiment of what the other complained about out of childish ego.
Just a petty tiff that slowly consumed their entire personalities.
A clone Commander who hates the Jedi assigned to a Jedi General who hates the clones. What could go wrong?
Lol “Fay”
Rex: Good soldiers follow orders.
These 3 Clones: I follow my own orders.
Faie and the boys: I give the orders
I guess its quite the SHOCK to see Thire on this list!
Yeah
Hey you can probably blame Yoda for Thire. He probably gave Thire the inspiration he needed to rise the ranks further. Even so the coruscant guard is still my favorite .
Yeah, Yoda couldn't have realized that Thire would be, well, Thire.
WOW what a jaw dropping video. i had no idea that Thire was that bad i always thought he would be good. also, thanks for telling me about the other too commanders.
The Clones always did have cool looking Armor. Mandalorian have even cooler armor
Thire: Palpatine’s second kissup
Keller: drip
Faie: just a psychopath
Faie has a good amount of armor changes. At least 3 I can count. Only Rex, Echo and Fives get that many.
Yeah. Faie’s 7th Legion Engineer and Ultra-Camouflaged 41st Clone Scout armor are all really cool armor sets.
Huh, the second and especially the thrid choice was very much expected, but Thire was defiantly a surprise, he seemed like a good dude in that first episode, but then again I thought Crosshair seemed like a good dude in Clone Wars and we all know what side he ended up choosing, so I guess just like when it came to the Bad Batch in relation to Crosshair, I guess I didn't know Thire all that well after all.
How about we discuss the morally best Clones next, the ones that were loyal to the Republic, but like some Jedi, they weren't loyal to the point of stupidity, like Rex, Fives, and so on.
Thire in CW was different than Legends Thire
Yeah but least Rys and Jek had debatably easier fates. From what I heard Rys despite following Order 66 due to the chios as soon as it's effects wore off he was horrified by it and deserted. Jek apparently died on Kashyyyk though but least he didn't have to see the results of the war
Jek joined the ranger corps after that episode and he’s actually the clone next to gree who tried to kill Yoda after order 66, so sadly Yoda had to kill him
I am surprised you didn’t include Fox due to your childish hatred of him.
unpopular opinion to most but i like cc-1010 aka "fox"
Why?
@@OutOfIdeas9977 why not
@@shika_628 okay
Video Idea:
Shortly before the battle of Coruscant, Palpatine fumbles his laptop after Senator Binks goofs up. A bunch of Palpatine's messages get sent to the wrong recipients, and now
Anakin knows that Palpatine's schemes are what is threatening Padme.
Mace Windu knows that Palpatine is a Sith Lord intending to make Anakin his new apprentice.
Count Dooku knows that Palpatine plans to betray and replace him.
General Grievous knows that Dooku and Palpatine killed his wife.
Commander Cody and Obi Wan know about the Inhibitor Chips.
What Happens?
Palp's dead, one way or another: via Order 65, Mace's or Anakin's lightsaber, or executed after trial in the senate after being impeached. And since Mas Ameda had complicity, he's also either deposed or executed. Dooku and Grievous have life in prison if the testify against Palpatine, which in my mind they wouldn't care to do after what you just described concerning them.
I would LOVE to see a video on this.
@@snapshotinhistory1367 palps is getting religious for sure, but I think the more interesting things would be the stuff beyond that.
The Separatists are still separate, this war has been going for a while now.
Dooku and the SC has a government and an army still and no incentive to lose this war. Grievous has his armies too, and has likely just shifted from "nearly omnicidal" to "fully omnicidal"
Being a Sith isn't illegal and the Republic is still heavily staffed by Palpatine appointees, so a trial will be required if Mace or Anakin killed him, which they almost certainly will, and there will be a lot of people with reasons to obfuscate the parts of Palpatine's doing that aren't fully digested yet.
You could potentially see a Jedi-Republic vs. Senate-Republic vs. What-The-Hell-Just-Happened?-Republic divide that could turn into a second contemporaneous civil war, plus you've got the Separatists still fighting and confused with many uncertain if Grievous is still on their side while he takes his ships and just starts indiscriminately glassing systems in a nihilistic rage against all life.
I’m at my wits end with Star Wars fans calling Commander Fox evil. He was just doing his goddamn job!!!! 🤬
Uh... I'm no expert on military rules/regs, but isn't killing dozens of your own soldiers to take out one Jedi called *fratricide,* which is grounds for court martial and possible execution? I mean, wasn't Faie against breaking *any* rule? 🤔
That would require the clones to be considered people.
@@rosesweetcharlotte and they were considered as Sub-Human so….
Well he was so loyal that he was willing to end himself to get rid of the Jedi.
If you look up the real life definition of a psychopath and what requirements to be considered as one, Faire would meet a lot of those points.
Don't you dare say bad things about Fox. The man was just doing his job!
So your saying that letting a bunch of senators be kidnapped and helping a bunch of CIS droids blow up corsant’s power grid is his job?
I was rewatching the episodes with Fox and Fox is literally doing everything right lol
@Geetsly's is easily the best Star Wars channel. Can't even remind how long I've been seen your videos - many years perhaps. Just marvelous, tbf.
To be fair the brain chips were supposed to have brain washed all the clones completely, enhancing the violence in them, and making them more evil. That’s why clones like Keller were mean. At least that’s how it was until Dave filoni ret conned it.
Me who still thinks Fox and the Coruscant Guard did nothing wrong
😐
Could you do a video about the 3 morally best clones in the GAR next?
Rex would probably be the first or Last Clone to be on that list, considering he and Faie are two sides of the same Clone Commander coin.
Faie was insane.
He was the most loyal clone trooper ever made
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul If by loyal, you mean a teamkilling f---tard straight out of Red vs. Blue, then yes, you are correct.
@@sambridgers9543 yes
You are too soft.
The only evil one is Faie.
The integrity of your channel is unmatched by any other Star Wars Channel. Thank you for keeping opinion out of your videos. Also leaks, or spoilers. Its much appreciated bro! MTFBWY
What of Manda-LORE, Matt Wilkins, or Christopher Nelson?
To think I respected thire's courage to keep pushing against the seperatists in the first clone wars opeisode.
Hearing this, man thire really is an ass.
I will not have you slander the Guard! The boys in Red are heroes of the Republic. .... For real tho commander Fox 🦊 is my favorite clone trooper 'uniform wise' sh!t is dope