Any chance you could watch there video and then put a pinned comment about their video and how it dovetails into your findings? I found your channel through theirs, and watched their video and then yours....it was interesting!
wow a 3/8" and 1/2" M8 line. two whole tools and yet they're already tied with DeWalts 8V line with just 2 generations of their gyroscopic screwdriver.
@@jonathanshaw8868 one concern with m12 is the 2 prongs from tool to battery snapping off with shock, vibrations, impacts, drops, etc. I've definitely seen them break so I think the issue I'd focus on is reinforcing that over the anvil typically these 1/2" heads with a few hundred ft lbs. aren't in danger until we get to like 2000 lol where harder metal is needed.
As always, awesome video and review!! I really appreciate your real world testing since I am the one forking over my own dough for the tools and want something that just flat out works! LOL!!! Between you and TTC, I have never gone wrong when buying a tool and referening either of your guys reviews!! Thanks and keep up the great work!
I noticed how much better these HO batteries were and have now started to only buy the HO batteries. I won’t buy a kit unless it comes with the HO batteries now. Great review my friend!!
I'm pleased to see that someone is really checking the power and longevity of Li batteries correctly. When it comes to batteries voltage drop, or lack of voltage drop, is the true method that will indicate how long a battery will perform over an extended period.
Just caught TTC's video. As solid as the next gen Stubby looks, I think the 5.0 HO battery is the story of the year. Now I'm heavy on the trail for some special buy kits that include those so I can replace my 4.0s. Still keeping my 2.0s for smaller impact driver tasks and ratchets. The compact size on 2.0s and 2.5s is well worth it for lower output tools and easier jobs.
some of those deals even throw tools or ratchets in there for a battery less, gen 1 fuel 3/8” impact is $130 right now since the new gen 2 is out with 550 ft lb of torque and the new trigger mode selector.
Yep, I got the overheat stoppage on mine a few times when working it hard. Typically it's hard to work it hard though since they're not very torquey they tend to stall easilyish. If you have a sensitive hand you can balance on a knife edge and make them sweat. If I'm doing heavy work though I get the much bigger dewalt out as it has lots of power but is a lot less nimble, too.
As a twenty five year tech specialist for a major battery supply company, I can tell you with complete confidence that with voltage drops like that, this impact wrench is an absolute battery killer. Aftermarket batteries will most definitely be out of the question for this tool. Milwaukee is gonna be swimming in battery warranties in about a year. You're gonna see some sort of battery redesign or a change in warranty policy to keep them from losing their Milwaukee shirts. Whoever you buy your tool and batteries from and you plan on buying this tool, be sure to have a full understanding on how they plan to warranty the tool and batteries, cause you're most likely gonna need to use it. My personal opinion is, this tool may be designed on the M12 platform, but this battery eating, heat generating monster really should have been designed for the M18 platform.
@@ProbeGT2 What else is 550ft-lb reversing torque good for then? If you're not using it for that, then you might as well save your money and stick with the 1st Gen.
@@illiniwood it's not that you can't use it, but if you hold it for several seconds like Bryan did, yes, you will kill the batteries. So if it can't unbolt your nut quickly, youcneed a bigger driver.
@@ProbeGT2 It's quicker to hold it for several seconds too long than it is to go find a bigger wrench. You should know, everyone always impacts a little longer than they should in both directions.
I honestly think this is a good thing. Instead of releasing whole new battery line that is not compatible with the previous ones. We have old batteries that fit and do the job... just worse. Only problem is that it's not mentioned anywhere, needs to be on the packaging and should be on the tool showing what % of performance which battery brings.
great tests! What this tells me is the 2562 has a thirsty motor that sucks a lot of current. The high current draw causes a larger voltage drop due to the internal resistance of the battles and the high output batteries likely have better cells with lower internal resistance, allowing them to deliver more current without dropping the voltage. Regardless, power = Volts x current so the high current draw means a lot of power and thus a lot of heat generated.
They doubled the torque in the same body. There definately needs to be a compromise. More Power means more battery drainage mean less run time and more heat buildup. First few months is when manufacturers make money due to the hype, its also their fixing stage when products start coming back for unexpected repairs. Over a period of time it will stablize. In short, I will stick with my Gen 1 stubby. There is a reason there is a Standard Wrench, Mid Torque and High Torque while prolonging the life of the tool.
Referring to your temperature examination, the m18 HO batteries are advertised as "running cooler". I've never really paid attention to it until stepping up to high demand tools like a chainsaw that overheat a normal XC battery. I know these HO batteries have better cells to perform better. Anyway, I assume the characteristic of running cooler is also shared by the m12 HO battery, thus why it had such a low temperature despite maintaining the highest voltage.
I’m most impressed with the 2.5, it’s better than the 4.0 and keeps the compact form factor . I expected the 5.0 to win, but it’s clearly way ahead of the others.
I was able to use the new stubby for a day about a month ago.....she is definitely a thirsty girl. I would assume that the cells in the 5ah are putting out a lot more angry pixies. Great vid hoss.....
Id like to see this thing hooked up to a car battery or some form of alternative power supply (maybe an M18 battery?) and see what sort of current it draws lol
Just got an M12 3/8 ratchet.....my Ryobi has more beans in it....😂😂 Will try it on a bigger battery...but on the Ryobi 2,3 or 5 amp hour didnt seem to vary that much...
If you've got a good ear and have a reference tone/ipm you should be able to ballpark it just by listening. Like you can tell the resonant frequency of a speaker to within a few hz by tapping the cone.
Interesting with the 2.5 AH HO battery. I have 2 of those and a 5 AH HO, i try to use the 5AH with my M12 Fuel vacuum but if i have to use the 2.5 AH in the vacuum continuously it will eventually get hot enough to shut off the tool before it runs down, doesnt happen with the 5AH
Any measurements on the amp draw at those voltages? I've been looking to Frankenstein together an AC adapter for the times when I'm using a die grinder or their Dremel type tool at a bench for a while and don't wanna keep swapping batteries, and knowing what sorta juice they can put out would help me spect the power supply l need
I think you are right, IF you are using this on large bolts that are heavily torqued. If you use this on 100 to 300 ft lb fasteners, it seems to do great with battery life. Hammering on a bolt for some time takes away runtime fast.
I think that Milwaukee will make a 5.5 HO battery using three 2500 mAh 18650's in the handle and three 3000 mAh 21700 in the base. This will keep up for a stout discharge curve.
@@monkeybolo4231 Hikvision and Dahua have been banned from use by government institutions and other entities in the US that receive federal funding under the 2022 NDAA. Much the same as Huawei. Dahua and Hikvision cameras had/maybe still have a number of fairly clear vulnerabilities that are believed to have been intentional backdoors.
You were on that 2.5 WAY longer. It took a long time to sag below 9, seems even longer than the 6. If anything, I thought it was pretty darn impressive given its number of cells. EDIT: I decided to just use the counter to see rough times on each: 2.0 - 8 seconds 2.5 - 23 seconds 4.0 - 17 seconds 5.0 - 22 seconds 6.0 - 21 seconds So the differences seemed more to me, but that's still quite a bit more on the 2.5 than the 2.0 and 4.0. I wanted to see where they all were at at 10 seconds: 2.5: 9.12 4.0: 8.82 5.0: 10.37 6.0: 9.22 Obviously without counting frames, these are rough
It was very impressive for what it has inside that battery! Great choice in battery if the 5 Ah is not a possibility. At the end of the video I recommend buying this in the kit with the 2.5 and 5Ah batteries just because those are the two top performers.
@@WorkshopAddict Yeah, I don't disagree. I picked up this guy in 3/8 for a specific purpose that the 2.5 fulfills, so I am good with that. I have larger impacts for when things are epically tight. 👍
I've had to replace mine twice in less than a week with the 5.0 and had black oozing out the top of vent holes when on my back with tool above me this black crap came dripping out and burnt my arm pretty bad it stopped working like something was inside hammer and would not let it hit second one the bolts on back end came out and to my surprise the copper around motor had busted apart it wouldn't do nothing after that third one fail but lasted longest but seemed way under powdered now I know why you explained it but that 5.0 destroyed the tool within a work day all three and gatta change out batteries every 14 15 minutes sucks I took it back and got money back will use DeWalt mid torque have rheumatoid arthritis and MS every ounce helps my handa
any voltage numbers from other tools to compare? hard to put a constant load on most tools that arent impacts but id imagine the circ saw must hammer on the batteries pretty hard
@AndrewBrowner I have videos out on dewalt and Milwaukee drills, heat guns, circular saws, impact drivers and miter saws. I have not done much with M12 tools, mostly m18.
Milwaukee is currently setting themselves up for some pretty big problems in the future by pushing higher power tools with old platforms. Ryobi only got away with keeping the oneplus because they make consumer grade tools, and if a tool just isnt as powerful due to battery constraints then whatever. But milwaukee has already resorted to dual battery m18 (m36) tools. The m12 form factor only lends itself to being even more limited. Theyre going to need the tabless 18650s if theyre going to wanna make m12 work in the future. Lots of people are giving makita shit for how it is being handled, but moving to 36/40v for their flagship line of products is the correct choice here. And theyre expanding their 18v subcompact tool lineup to try and replace their 12v line, for the same reason. We are simply getting to the point where the amount of current these tools need to put down to keep up is getting absurd. The 12ah forge is capable of 300a. A milwaukee 1.5ah compact battery is capable of putting down 15a. These two batteries are fully intercompatible on the same platform.
It would be nice to know the amps for like torque test channel id like to see a like 3s 10p pack or something with some like 8awg if you can keep about 12v it should be even better actually now thinking about it just a lead acid battery
Now I’m here from torque test channel but can I suggest something. Measure the torque I don’t think you are stepping on toes. Do what they do as well and the more technical brained may tend to watch your videos but most of the torque test channel audience doesn’t want it to be anything but simple information.
@R2_D3 I said I used the 6 on many shorts with that tool. That is true. There was maybe 2 discharges on that battery. I discharge and charge the batteries before a test like this. I do not take a brand new battery and just charge it. IMHO, they need one to 2 discharges to give good power.
Kind of feels like a race to the bottom with these 12v tools. If it only produces that sort of torque with the larger 5AH battery, and has some serious voltage drop concerns with all the batteries and maybe battery longevity, then I'd generally just prefer a standard compact 18v at less cost and more battery compatibility. But hey, I'm not in a shop all day, so maybe someone wants to use a 12v like this for fairly high torque applications.
I think there's an understandable use case for a tool that is fairly unreliable/unsustainable, that does what it does in a bewilderingly small form factor in order to make the human using it not have to struggle to the same degree.
I bet if you had a scope on these you'd see lower peaks with all of them. The fluke is averaging to some extent. It'd be nice if you had a serial interface from the meter to capture voltage vs time so you could graph it like TTC does with torque and compare apples with apples v vs t wise. Next time at least run a stopwatch so you can be consistent.
Yes, a stopwatch is needed. The forst test with the 2ah battery the tool stopped. So on the next one I let it eat longer to see if the tool would stop. Normally, when I test batteries, I use drills or saws. This impact was a first for me and I learned a lot of what I need to do next time.
Everything is a trade off, beans more aren't free. I seriously thought after the YT hype over this tool it may compete with the small high performance Nano type pnuematics. But unless you have the big battery that greatly changes the dynamics of the tool its not a small compact reliable 400ft lb impact. And the trigger switch is a deal breaker too. Pneumatic is still king if the hill.
I think that's same motor on m18 they cut corners and fit it in at expense of batteries dying really fast the 5.0 ah battery don't last as long as it should but check out mid torque motor and then at this new stubby see anything abnormal yea 18 volt motor in 12 volt tool
i find it strange stating that an impact wrench with that much torque requires a certain battery like "thats how they getcha!" no sh*t it requires a certain battery theyre just 18650 cells
It's obvious there will be a difference, but when the difference is this large it should be advertised. Especially considering the price of batteries and the fact that you'll need several since the tool is so thirsty. Most people already have a bunch of batteries, that's the benefit (and the cause) of brand loyalty when it comes to cordless tools. They won't necessarily be prepared to shell out several hundred dollars extra.
All of them were fully charged overnight. Even when I test the 18 volt tools, they all vary just over 20 volts. Could be the charger, could be the battery.
Nobody said anything about it til torque test channel called it out lol there were sooooo many “influencers” (people who were incentivized by Milwaukee) posting reviews on this and absolutely none of them felt the need to talk about the battery consumption and/or the fact that without the specific battery (5ah high output if I’m not mistaken) the impact wouldn’t be as great as it was made out to be. Don’t get me wrong it is impressive. I guess it’s to be expected that people who are incentivized are only going to hype the product and not point out the cons lol just the pros. There’s the problem with tool reviews nowadays. People are incredibly biased due to the fact they’re getting the hook up for a review to boost sales regardless of wether or not the tool is bad lol and the mode selection on the gen 2 seems like it sucks. Please fanboys don’t come for me 😅if you do at least you hopefully won’t be as bad as the HF extremists 💀
Dave, TTC's test where you hammer for long periods of time is not the norm of use. I state that in this video. I also disagree a bit as we have shown in many videos that we can hear differences in the tool based on the battery used. In my normal use, I was able to get this tool to remove 500 ft lbs with a 2 ah battery. Hype on a tool like this is hard to avoid. It rocks.
When you drop voltage you need more amperage to do the same work... and it seems like the H.O. 5AH battery is the only one that can give this angry little motor the juice it needs. Makes me wonder if it could perform better yet with a theoretical new battery that could supply even more amperage.
Milwaukee is being Very Deceitful by printing those big numbers on the box and Not telling us that we need a 5.0 h.o.battery to achive them , especially because most people probably Don't own that battery because its new and how much it costs ....😡🤬
@@johnsxterra9020 its not a specific amount of amps, it varys between every pack and also pack conditions like charge level, temperature, age... a new 5.0 at 10v might be dumping 60amps, where an old 2.0 dragged to 10v might only be providing 20amps
Milwaukee was in a hurry to release this Stubby because they are pissed off that Dewalt made a Better one , they should have took a little more time with it and having to use a bigger battery to achieve those big numbers and Not telling you is Very Deceitful and kinda defeats the purpose of using a Stubby ..... 😡🤬
Why do these channels keep talking about the 5.0 like it's a deal breaker or something along those lines? Everyone that uses these tools daily is pretty much already using a 5.0 or a 2.5 HO.
This video pairs well with @TorqueTestChannel video and puts some of their findings in line with ours. th-cam.com/video/Sirk4_OeR0Q/w-d-xo.html
Any chance you could watch there video and then put a pinned comment about their video and how it dovetails into your findings?
I found your channel through theirs, and watched their video and then yours....it was interesting!
How much of a power increase does the older m12 stubby have with that battery in it ? Great channel thanks !
Introducing the new Milwauke M8 Stubby, thanks for the testing Brian - not very shocking :P
wow a 3/8" and 1/2" M8 line. two whole tools and yet they're already tied with DeWalts 8V line with just 2 generations of their gyroscopic screwdriver.
Producing 400 fl/lbs from a 12v stubby...A case of they certainly asked if it could be done, but never asking if it should be done...
@@jonathanshaw8868 one concern with m12 is the 2 prongs from tool to battery snapping off with shock, vibrations, impacts, drops, etc. I've definitely seen them break so I think the issue I'd focus on is reinforcing that over the anvil typically these 1/2" heads with a few hundred ft lbs. aren't in danger until we get to like 2000 lol where harder metal is needed.
@@TOOL_TECHNICALThey added reinforcement in the handle
@@annalongfield you have a link to a video or article? I've only seen them push the high numbers and the neutral trigger mode switch
TTC sent me here.
Great people on that channel!
Me too, and it was cool to see the meter vs the dyno graphs.
Same, and enjoyed the content. Congrats WSA, you have a new (and active) subscriber.
Me too! Cheers from the UK!
Wow this is TTC but with a more technical look into why these things are happening. Great stuff send it full beans
M12 forge would be cool. 18650 tabless. Make it happen, Milwaukee!
As always, awesome video and review!! I really appreciate your real world testing since I am the one forking over my own dough for the tools and want something that just flat out works! LOL!!! Between you and TTC, I have never gone wrong when buying a tool and referening either of your guys reviews!! Thanks and keep up the great work!
Thank you!
Man I hope they throw some Forge 12V batteries on the market. I hope they can fit the pouch cells into the small battery formfactor!
No they will only do the 21700 TABLESS CELLS to hold the price down
@@THEBEARDEDTOOLGUY Tabless is just as good anyway. Game changing technology. I wanna see 4680's in 18-volt tool battery packs lol.
Pouch cells lost their advantage when they came out with folded tabs (tabless) cylindrical cells.
@@THEBEARDEDTOOLGUYthey have a patent showing 18650’s in the handle and 21700’s in the base. Surely that will be their next step up.
@@superspeeder M12 RED LITHIUM 5 AMP FORGE 18650 TABLESS and 21700 TABLESS CELLS that will certainly make some serious Power
I noticed how much better these HO batteries were and have now started to only buy the HO batteries. I won’t buy a kit unless it comes with the HO batteries now. Great review my friend!!
Same here! Im super impressed with the 2.5 HO
I bought a 6amp battery thinking it was the best, should have got a 5amp ho
@@jarrod1687 they use to be until the HO batteries came out…lol!
I subbed from TTC mentioning you. I can definitely hear a difference. Cheers from the UK!
My first gen 1/2 stubby even loves the high output 5.0. Makes that motor sing
I'm pleased to see that someone is really checking the power and longevity of Li batteries correctly. When it comes to batteries voltage drop, or lack of voltage drop, is the true method that will indicate how long a battery will perform over an extended period.
When you using it's really easy to realize the HO batteries work better
Holy shit TTC and you both definitely impressed me. I’m sold on the new batteries for sure that’s impressive
Just caught TTC's video. As solid as the next gen Stubby looks, I think the 5.0 HO battery is the story of the year. Now I'm heavy on the trail for some special buy kits that include those so I can replace my 4.0s. Still keeping my 2.0s for smaller impact driver tasks and ratchets. The compact size on 2.0s and 2.5s is well worth it for lower output tools and easier jobs.
@@enthused7591 Home Depot has a special buy where you can buy 2x 5 AH high output with a charger and free tool for 199
Home depot currently has a sale on the 5.0 batteries. 3 pack plus an m12 charger for 199.
some of those deals even throw tools or ratchets in there for a battery less, gen 1 fuel 3/8” impact is $130 right now since the new gen 2 is out with 550 ft lb of torque and the new trigger mode selector.
Would love to see a similar battery comparison with the m12 die grinders. They can be beasts, but seem to be very power hungry.
Yep, I got the overheat stoppage on mine a few times when working it hard. Typically it's hard to work it hard though since they're not very torquey they tend to stall easilyish. If you have a sensitive hand you can balance on a knife edge and make them sweat. If I'm doing heavy work though I get the much bigger dewalt out as it has lots of power but is a lot less nimble, too.
As a twenty five year tech specialist for a major battery supply company, I can tell you with complete confidence that with voltage drops like that, this impact wrench is an absolute battery killer. Aftermarket batteries will most definitely be out of the question for this tool. Milwaukee is gonna be swimming in battery warranties in about a year. You're gonna see some sort of battery redesign or a change in warranty policy to keep them from losing their Milwaukee shirts. Whoever you buy your tool and batteries from and you plan on buying this tool, be sure to have a full understanding on how they plan to warranty the tool and batteries, cause you're most likely gonna need to use it. My personal opinion is, this tool may be designed on the M12 platform, but this battery eating, heat generating monster really should have been designed for the M18 platform.
Don't worry, Milwaukee will come to their senses and release a 7.5 High Output triple-pack battery just for this reason.😁
I'm pretty sure the batteries will be fine, as long as you're not trying to disassemble huge equipment with it.
1-2 seconds bursts is the sweet spot.
@@ProbeGT2 What else is 550ft-lb reversing torque good for then? If you're not using it for that, then you might as well save your money and stick with the 1st Gen.
@@illiniwood it's not that you can't use it, but if you hold it for several seconds like Bryan did, yes, you will kill the batteries.
So if it can't unbolt your nut quickly, youcneed a bigger driver.
@@ProbeGT2 It's quicker to hold it for several seconds too long than it is to go find a bigger wrench. You should know, everyone always impacts a little longer than they should in both directions.
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This is good info to know. I'm still going to add one to the toolbox.
It's thirsty but rather amazing for it's size. It would be nice to carry in the camper, small, light but enough grunt if needed.
I honestly think this is a good thing. Instead of releasing whole new battery line that is not compatible with the previous ones. We have old batteries that fit and do the job... just worse. Only problem is that it's not mentioned anywhere, needs to be on the packaging and should be on the tool showing what % of performance which battery brings.
great tests! What this tells me is the 2562 has a thirsty motor that sucks a lot of current. The high current draw causes a larger voltage drop due to the internal resistance of the battles and the high output batteries likely have better cells with lower internal resistance, allowing them to deliver more current without dropping the voltage. Regardless, power = Volts x current so the high current draw means a lot of power and thus a lot of heat generated.
They doubled the torque in the same body.
There definately needs to be a compromise.
More Power means more battery drainage mean less run time and more heat buildup.
First few months is when manufacturers make money due to the hype, its also their fixing stage when products start coming back for unexpected repairs.
Over a period of time it will stablize.
In short, I will stick with my Gen 1 stubby. There is a reason there is a Standard Wrench, Mid Torque and High Torque while prolonging the life of the tool.
The kit should only include the 5.0 batteries
Referring to your temperature examination, the m18 HO batteries are advertised as "running cooler". I've never really paid attention to it until stepping up to high demand tools like a chainsaw that overheat a normal XC battery. I know these HO batteries have better cells to perform better. Anyway, I assume the characteristic of running cooler is also shared by the m12 HO battery, thus why it had such a low temperature despite maintaining the highest voltage.
TBH - A 350 HO Chevy engine will only produce its HO numbers with premium/racing fuel.
Nitromethane DOUBLES the HP of even a stock NA engine.
I’m most impressed with the 2.5, it’s better than the 4.0 and keeps the compact form factor . I expected the 5.0 to win, but it’s clearly way ahead of the others.
I was able to use the new stubby for a day about a month ago.....she is definitely a thirsty girl. I would assume that the cells in the 5ah are putting out a lot more angry pixies. Great vid hoss.....
Awesome video!! Thanks for the info!!
Lots of room for improvement with tables cells, no complaints for forward compatibility. And 2ah still beats the old model
Id like to see this thing hooked up to a car battery or some form of alternative power supply (maybe an M18 battery?) and see what sort of current it draws lol
Just ordered the stubby , guess need more m12 batteries !
Man i was ready to buy one of those but not till im ready to buy the 5.0 battery. Ive got too many 6.0's and 4.0's to buy any batteries right now.
Just got an M12 3/8 ratchet.....my Ryobi has more beans in it....😂😂
Will try it on a bigger battery...but on the Ryobi 2,3 or 5 amp hour didnt seem to vary that much...
To get the impacts per minute you can just take a microphone reading, and foyer
transform your audio signal
If you've got a good ear and have a reference tone/ipm you should be able to ballpark it just by listening.
Like you can tell the resonant frequency of a speaker to within a few hz by tapping the cone.
Great test Brian
what date of the xc 6.0 ?
@@TranTek Feb 2024
@@WorkshopAddictthey have the updated Samsung 30Q SDI 6
they are rated @ 15Amp
5.0 uses Samsung 25S rated @ 25Amp
better cells
Interesting with the 2.5 AH HO battery. I have 2 of those and a 5 AH HO, i try to use the 5AH with my M12 Fuel vacuum but if i have to use the 2.5 AH in the vacuum continuously it will eventually get hot enough to shut off the tool before it runs down, doesnt happen with the 5AH
Any measurements on the amp draw at those voltages? I've been looking to Frankenstein together an AC adapter for the times when I'm using a die grinder or their Dremel type tool at a bench for a while and don't wanna keep swapping batteries, and knowing what sorta juice they can put out would help me spect the power supply l need
Yeah it pairs well with that 5.0 HO but I have a feeling that it's going to drain it quickly cutting into your run time.
I think you are right, IF you are using this on large bolts that are heavily torqued. If you use this on 100 to 300 ft lb fasteners, it seems to do great with battery life. Hammering on a bolt for some time takes away runtime fast.
@@WorkshopAddict I Agree
Is this already available in the US cause here in Canada it's delayed until next year?
Yes, available in the USA.
Very surprised that the 2P battery could not keep up with the 1P high output.
I think that Milwaukee will make a 5.5 HO battery using three 2500 mAh 18650's in the handle and three 3000 mAh 21700 in the base. This will keep up for a stout discharge curve.
That's a nice looking thermal imager. Can you say which one you use? Trying to replace my ancient one.
HIKMICRO. A thermal imaging offshoot of HikVision. Might be worth taking that into consideration in buying from them.
@@orijimi sorry I'm not familiar with those companies or any controversies associated with them, do you mind giving a brief explanation?
@@monkeybolo4231 Hikvision and Dahua have been banned from use by government institutions and other entities in the US that receive federal funding under the 2022 NDAA. Much the same as Huawei. Dahua and Hikvision cameras had/maybe still have a number of fairly clear vulnerabilities that are believed to have been intentional backdoors.
@@monkeybolo4231 I guess I can't. It just gets deleted. Google NDAA compliance.
You were on that 2.5 WAY longer. It took a long time to sag below 9, seems even longer than the 6. If anything, I thought it was pretty darn impressive given its number of cells.
EDIT:
I decided to just use the counter to see rough times on each:
2.0 - 8 seconds
2.5 - 23 seconds
4.0 - 17 seconds
5.0 - 22 seconds
6.0 - 21 seconds
So the differences seemed more to me, but that's still quite a bit more on the 2.5 than the 2.0 and 4.0. I wanted to see where they all were at at 10 seconds:
2.5: 9.12
4.0: 8.82
5.0: 10.37
6.0: 9.22
Obviously without counting frames, these are rough
It was very impressive for what it has inside that battery! Great choice in battery if the 5 Ah is not a possibility. At the end of the video I recommend buying this in the kit with the 2.5 and 5Ah batteries just because those are the two top performers.
@@WorkshopAddict Yeah, I don't disagree. I picked up this guy in 3/8 for a specific purpose that the 2.5 fulfills, so I am good with that. I have larger impacts for when things are epically tight. 👍
Nice to know, I appreciate it!
Interesting that many reviews are encouraging the kit...
The kit includes the batteries this tool needs to perform to spec.
I've had to replace mine twice in less than a week with the 5.0 and had black oozing out the top of vent holes when on my back with tool above me this black crap came dripping out and burnt my arm pretty bad it stopped working like something was inside hammer and would not let it hit second one the bolts on back end came out and to my surprise the copper around motor had busted apart it wouldn't do nothing after that third one fail but lasted longest but seemed way under powdered now I know why you explained it but that 5.0 destroyed the tool within a work day all three and gatta change out batteries every 14 15 minutes sucks I took it back and got money back will use DeWalt mid torque have rheumatoid arthritis and MS every ounce helps my handa
Was the tool getting hot in your use? lots of hammering?
I suspect that every skipped bit of punctuation must help too. :P
how many ft/lbs does the xc 4.0 put out vs the 5.0
I have a mk1 stubby. It's power is much less than most youtubers claim. It will not remove a wheel nut from a small car.
Mine removes most lugs with a 2.5HO
Would a CP3.0 perform close to the CP2.5 High Output?
@@tanthadcork5040 No, it was not much better than the CP 2.0.
Milwaukee - "People are buying our tools, but battery sales are down. What can we do?"
Were all the batteries in the test the same age with a similar discharge/charge count?
All batteries were new. One was used for 1 week.
any voltage numbers from other tools to compare? hard to put a constant load on most tools that arent impacts but id imagine the circ saw must hammer on the batteries pretty hard
@AndrewBrowner I have videos out on dewalt and Milwaukee drills, heat guns, circular saws, impact drivers and miter saws. I have not done much with M12 tools, mostly m18.
Milwaukee is currently setting themselves up for some pretty big problems in the future by pushing higher power tools with old platforms. Ryobi only got away with keeping the oneplus because they make consumer grade tools, and if a tool just isnt as powerful due to battery constraints then whatever. But milwaukee has already resorted to dual battery m18 (m36) tools. The m12 form factor only lends itself to being even more limited. Theyre going to need the tabless 18650s if theyre going to wanna make m12 work in the future.
Lots of people are giving makita shit for how it is being handled, but moving to 36/40v for their flagship line of products is the correct choice here. And theyre expanding their 18v subcompact tool lineup to try and replace their 12v line, for the same reason.
We are simply getting to the point where the amount of current these tools need to put down to keep up is getting absurd. The 12ah forge is capable of 300a. A milwaukee 1.5ah compact battery is capable of putting down 15a. These two batteries are fully intercompatible on the same platform.
Makita needs to put these cells in their LXT line batteries.
Is there a way to put a wire in between the battery and the tool to get a current clamp in there to see what it's drawing?
No need for a current clamp when test leads exist.
DeWalt: *Makes a compact impact*
Milwaukee:
It would be nice to know the amps for like torque test channel id like to see a like 3s 10p pack or something with some like 8awg if you can keep about 12v it should be even better actually now thinking about it just a lead acid battery
Would love to see that impact hooked up to a 12v lifepo4 100ah battery with 10 awg wire where there's virtually no voltage drop.
I can smell the tool burning up already. :)
I'll wait to maybe buy this new stubby on offerup/pawn shop at a discount
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Interesting the drop to 9v almost instantly.
The way I see it, Milwaukee has som 'splaining to do. I'll be back when they stabilize all batteries to operate at the same voltage.
Now I’m here from torque test channel but can I suggest something. Measure the torque I don’t think you are stepping on toes. Do what they do as well and the more technical brained may tend to watch your videos but most of the torque test channel audience doesn’t want it to be anything but simple information.
How old are the batteries? Not really a fair comparison if the batteries aren't new, i.m.o. ;)
I said in the video all the batteries were new.
@@WorkshopAddict Pretty sure you didn't.. (And at 5:36 you talk about using the 6Ah battery for a while around the workshop.) But good to know! :)
@R2_D3 every one of those batteries was weeks old. The 6 might have been the oldest.
@R2_D3 I said I used the 6 on many shorts with that tool. That is true. There was maybe 2 discharges on that battery. I discharge and charge the batteries before a test like this. I do not take a brand new battery and just charge it. IMHO, they need one to 2 discharges to give good power.
@@WorkshopAddict Thanks for clarifying!
Kind of feels like a race to the bottom with these 12v tools.
If it only produces that sort of torque with the larger 5AH battery, and has some serious voltage drop concerns with all the batteries and maybe battery longevity, then I'd generally just prefer a standard compact 18v at less cost and more battery compatibility.
But hey, I'm not in a shop all day, so maybe someone wants to use a 12v like this for fairly high torque applications.
I think there's an understandable use case for a tool that is fairly unreliable/unsustainable, that does what it does in a bewilderingly small form factor in order to make the human using it not have to struggle to the same degree.
@@orijimi Well said. I just ordered one.
I bet if you had a scope on these you'd see lower peaks with all of them. The fluke is averaging to some extent. It'd be nice if you had a serial interface from the meter to capture voltage vs time so you could graph it like TTC does with torque and compare apples with apples v vs t wise. Next time at least run a stopwatch so you can be consistent.
Yes, a stopwatch is needed. The forst test with the 2ah battery the tool stopped. So on the next one I let it eat longer to see if the tool would stop. Normally, when I test batteries, I use drills or saws. This impact was a first for me and I learned a lot of what I need to do next time.
I just used an ho 5.0 on my tire inflator to inflate a big truck tire and it killed the inflator.
The m12 inflator has a 5 minute duty cycle. How long did you run it for?
@@WorkshopAddict like 40 minutes 😮
Everything is a trade off, beans more aren't free. I seriously thought after the YT hype over this tool it may compete with the small high performance Nano type pnuematics. But unless you have the big battery that greatly changes the dynamics of the tool its not a small compact reliable 400ft lb impact. And the trigger switch is a deal breaker too. Pneumatic is still king if the hill.
I think that's same motor on m18 they cut corners and fit it in at expense of batteries dying really fast the 5.0 ah battery don't last as long as it should but check out mid torque motor and then at this new stubby see anything abnormal yea 18 volt motor in 12 volt tool
Cliff notes:
Use HO batteries.
Try a waitley battery on it
I used it only for my radio
i find it strange stating that an impact wrench with that much torque requires a certain battery like "thats how they getcha!" no sh*t it requires a certain battery theyre just 18650 cells
It's obvious there will be a difference, but when the difference is this large it should be advertised. Especially considering the price of batteries and the fact that you'll need several since the tool is so thirsty. Most people already have a bunch of batteries, that's the benefit (and the cause) of brand loyalty when it comes to cordless tools. They won't necessarily be prepared to shell out several hundred dollars extra.
12.15 is kinda low i know chargers don't really fully charge them usually none of these were 12.6
All of them were fully charged overnight. Even when I test the 18 volt tools, they all vary just over 20 volts. Could be the charger, could be the battery.
Nobody said anything about it til torque test channel called it out lol there were sooooo many “influencers” (people who were incentivized by Milwaukee) posting reviews on this and absolutely none of them felt the need to talk about the battery consumption and/or the fact that without the specific battery (5ah high output if I’m not mistaken) the impact wouldn’t be as great as it was made out to be. Don’t get me wrong it is impressive. I guess it’s to be expected that people who are incentivized are only going to hype the product and not point out the cons lol just the pros. There’s the problem with tool reviews nowadays. People are incredibly biased due to the fact they’re getting the hook up for a review to boost sales regardless of wether or not the tool is bad lol and the mode selection on the gen 2 seems like it sucks. Please fanboys don’t come for me 😅if you do at least you hopefully won’t be as bad as the HF extremists 💀
Dave, TTC's test where you hammer for long periods of time is not the norm of use. I state that in this video. I also disagree a bit as we have shown in many videos that we can hear differences in the tool based on the battery used. In my normal use, I was able to get this tool to remove 500 ft lbs with a 2 ah battery. Hype on a tool like this is hard to avoid. It rocks.
When you drop voltage you need more amperage to do the same work... and it seems like the H.O. 5AH battery is the only one that can give this angry little motor the juice it needs.
Makes me wonder if it could perform better yet with a theoretical new battery that could supply even more amperage.
Try it with a m18 adapter
Without the new battery it’s basically just a gen 1 lol.
I can’t find one I need one fast
Did you check the links I have in the description?
i dont own milwaukee, but i need to know...
In the UK the m12 6ah battery is a disaster, charging it 3 time kills is , unimpressed!!
Milwaukee is being Very Deceitful by printing those big numbers on the box and Not telling us that we need a 5.0 h.o.battery to achive them , especially because most people probably Don't own that battery because its new and how much it costs ....😡🤬
Only 8 volts if each cell is 4.2 volts fully charged then that's missing a whole cell worth of voltage
nope voltage sags when you put them underload in everytool, this one just requires more juice then they can produce and so it drops alot more
@@AndrewBrowner yeah so each cell is 2.66 volts do you know how many amps that is
@@johnsxterra9020 its not a specific amount of amps, it varys between every pack and also pack conditions like charge level, temperature, age... a new 5.0 at 10v might be dumping 60amps, where an old 2.0 dragged to 10v might only be providing 20amps
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Milwaukee was in a hurry to release this Stubby because they are pissed off that Dewalt made a Better one , they should have took a little more time with it and having to use a bigger battery to achieve those big numbers and Not telling you is Very Deceitful and kinda defeats the purpose of using a Stubby ..... 😡🤬
Milwaukee with the swing and a miss
Useless test, mainly reflecting the moror resistance as it gets hot.
HAVE MADE IT GO INTO SHUTDOWN PROTECTION MODE and It will be Getting a 5 AMP FORGE BATTERIES next PIPELINE next year
Why do these channels keep talking about the 5.0 like it's a deal breaker or something along those lines? Everyone that uses these tools daily is pretty much already using a 5.0 or a 2.5 HO.
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