Great explanation, Brother. I see guys all the time asking in Facebook groups why their roof looks like crap. Probably because they failed to use h-clips.
I'm using brown 1/2" ZIP decking which doesn't require clips. Their joints are taped. Roofers can also skip the underlayment and nail shingles directly to the zip. I'm however putting poly polypropylene over it just as an additional layer.
Yes. H-clips do make a big difference. Original roof had no H-clips. During summer when the roof cooled at night, I could easily hear creaking sounds in the attic. I knew it was the decking sheets expanding and contracting. Upon re-roof I spec 3/4 osb and H-clips. Now, NO more creaking.
the closer I looked the more I realized someone else had a roof disaster exactly like me. Truss built which was good cause it was done right BUT 2X4 & 24 on center. BUT the 2X4's were from 1967 so they were at least a little stronger than today's. I also had 3/8 plywood which failed after about 15 years & was covered up by OSB (while I was out of town by the jack leg re roofing company) NOW I am having both layers of decking removed with my 3rd reroof job. I have a hip roof with 3/12 pitch so I cannot use foam under the decking. Having all blown in insulation removed during reroofing & uncovering all the clogged up soffit vents. Putting in ridge vent & extra vents on hips Using 19/32 Solarbord from Canadian company for decking. Making damn sure those clips are used on every piece along with 1/8 spacing Wanted to do metal but was not in budget. Using Ownings Corning Duration shingles w OC Deck Defense underlayment.
can you use this with 5/8" Zip sheathing? Hueber always talks about "tightness" and how the system helps with that but i'm not sure how the h-clips would effect the zip tape seal.
So an H-clip between each truss on 5/8" OSB? But what about on the short vertical edges of the OSB, are you supposed to put an H-clip between the edges of the sheets too?
great video... I'd have a huge fear of getting the whole roof undecked and then a massive sudden unforecasted summer popcorn shower comes and dumps 4 inches of rain in 20 minutes...
Oh dear, I've been following and didn't go back two years to learn about H clips. I just had my house redone with 18 OSB boards, and they didn't put them in. Most were to replace bowing of the boards, and now, it's gonna happen again? Dang!
main thing I have been trying to find out is why no one mentions whether or not you need to space the edges (4 foot edge) of the sheathing. All the videos I've seen don't use H clips on the 4 foot edge. Why?
You still need to maintain the 1/8" gap on the short edge but you don't need to use H clips to do so because the gap is easier to maintain seeing as one board isn't pushing down on the other on an incline.
I am replacing roof decking should i use H clips on decking even though the rafters are 16 on center. When installing furnace stack flashing are they normally 8” or vary in different sizes
I just started replacing my roof and there is no space along the ridge like I see @4:10. Should I cut a space when Installing the new boards? If so How much? Thank you.
My roofers did not use the h clip for filling the hole left by the static vent since I have shifted to the ridge vent this time. It is just one piece of plywood. Do I have to worry about it?
7/16 osb. we were lucky to even have that available. It's selling for upwards of $38 a sheet right now if they even have it in. As far as size there is no code requirements. Thanks!
Just a question. You are very professional did you clean all the mess out of the attic. Not slamming anybody but I have seen guys just throw all the waste in there and it drives me nuts. But when I seen the sheeting go in it was still in there. Just a question not being a ass
I have had a lot of trouble out of those things doing tear offs. Crew would bend them up with a shovel then not beat them back down enough. A year later, they cut through the shingle and cause bad leaks. I know the necessity of using them, but they are a pain in the ass too
is there anything that can be done to an area that is missing some h-clips after everything is done? maybe reinforce the back with some 2X4s or something?
After you rip a 1/8 gap down the sheet, drill the smallest hole required to get the h clip into the sheet off side of where you want it to end up and slide it in
And each clip is something they use to hold sheating between studs because the sheeting is too thin if they use 3/4 they don't have to worry about h clips
all fucking videos do this shit!!! the most important part of ANY VIDEO they jabber 30 minutes and you keep watching to get the info and it never comes!😳🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️💩💩
I would think by the time you put your felt down and shingle it, it's not going to breathe much if at all. I think they are just trying to sell us more shit. I think the gable vents and soffit vents and ridge vents if done correctly work just fine and luckily you don't really see too much 24 oc on roofs around where I live.
what I don't like is the trash your leaving inside the home owners attic its pushing down the insulation there should be no evidence,,, that you where there putting a roof on in my opinion ....I went up in my attic and there was wood where they cut the main roof peak at plus shingles with nails in the under the blowen in insulation nd when your on your hands and knees up there you cant see the trash left but that's my opinion
He said the OSB was $38 a sheet so plywood would have been crazy expensive for this roof. But people do love their OSB these days. One roofer said he prefers OSB because it's more rigid and deals with the heat better, but I'd take that trade off for better moisture handling if I can afford plywood.
How much do you pay for plywood install How much per layer, how much more per addition layer Say hello to my paisas, just don’t call them that well not be happy about it Do you have any other race besides paisas working for you
H Clips aren’t that important. Unless you live in a high wind area or heavy snow area. They are only recommended if your roof framing is beyond 24” OC. I’ve literally never used them. Waste of time. Time is money.
If your roof framing is beyond 24", you have bigger problems. The more important thing H clips do is space the wood just enough to allow for expansion.
@@GrandRoofingInc Can you imagine what that deteriorated old plywood decking would of looked like if it were osb, the whole roof would of collapsed on itself years ago. I don't understand why homeowners continue to choose osb over plywood when the cost spread out over the life of the roof is minimal. Makes no sense to me.
T&G Plywood? Toss that in the trash. Frame the house out of concrete - slab, walls, roof deck...the whole thing. LOL at the folks commenting without knowing the contract requirements.
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Great explanation, Brother. I see guys all the time asking in Facebook groups why their roof looks like crap. Probably because they failed to use h-clips.
I'm using brown 1/2" ZIP decking which doesn't require clips. Their joints are taped. Roofers can also skip the underlayment and nail shingles directly to the zip. I'm however putting poly polypropylene over it just as an additional layer.
Great videos. As more solar projects get installed directly into decking, the H Clips becomes a critical factor towards project success.
H clips. Interesting to see how so many parts "breathe," so to speak. And great fast-forward to see what progress looks like.
I can see you take great pride in your work and it shows.
Great attention to detail… I wish you were in my area.
As a roofer 20 yra now amazing video👏
Not only excellent video, audio, and narration; but excellent drone footage and an excellent roofing job besides!
I'm impressed on so many levels!
Dude....I live in Kokomo. Holy snikes. I was looking for info on 1/2" vs 5/8" for plywood.
Then the question of H-Clips came up and here I am.
What side of town?
@@GrandRoofingInc N. Buckeye for now. Trying to find a house. Lost out on another one today. :(
Yes. H-clips do make a big difference. Original roof had no H-clips. During summer when the roof cooled at night, I could easily hear creaking sounds in the attic. I knew it was the decking sheets expanding and contracting. Upon re-roof I spec 3/4 osb and H-clips. Now, NO more creaking.
It was me. I was in your attic walking around on the beams.
the closer I looked the more I realized someone else had a roof disaster exactly like me. Truss built which was good cause it was done right BUT 2X4 & 24 on center. BUT the 2X4's were from 1967 so they were at least a little stronger than today's. I also had 3/8 plywood which failed after about 15 years & was covered up by OSB (while I was out of town by the jack leg re roofing company) NOW I am having both layers of decking removed with my 3rd reroof job. I have a hip roof with 3/12 pitch so I cannot use foam under the decking. Having all blown in insulation removed during reroofing & uncovering all the clogged up soffit vents. Putting in ridge vent & extra vents on hips Using 19/32 Solarbord from Canadian company for decking. Making damn sure those clips are used on every piece along with 1/8 spacing Wanted to do metal but was not in budget. Using Ownings Corning Duration shingles w OC Deck Defense underlayment.
Thank you for your information! How far apart should these h clips be.
Thank you for recording a nd posting this valuable educational video.
can you use this with 5/8" Zip sheathing? Hueber always talks about "tightness" and how the system helps with that but i'm not sure how the h-clips would effect the zip tape seal.
Great Pro Tip. I picked up a few bags at my local Lowes. $8.00 for a bag of 50.
Thank you! I was wondering if I need these clips or not.
Will the clip edges cause underlayment failure as the steel roofing expands/contracts over the years? i.e. wear a hole through the fabric
So an H-clip between each truss on 5/8" OSB? But what about on the short vertical edges of the OSB, are you supposed to put an H-clip between the edges of the sheets too?
Do you glue the OSB to the rafters
I wonder if I need H clips if my roof is going to be galvalume metal.
What about blocking instead clips ?
great video... I'd have a huge fear of getting the whole roof undecked and then a massive sudden unforecasted summer popcorn shower comes and dumps 4 inches of rain in 20 minutes...
Oh dear, I've been following and didn't go back two years to learn about H clips. I just had my house redone with 18 OSB boards, and they didn't put them in. Most were to replace bowing of the boards, and now, it's gonna happen again? Dang!
Great content, you always di a great job of showing different aspects of roofing. I have no valuable input. Keep doing what you're doing.
Thanks joe!
main thing I have been trying to find out is why no one mentions whether or not you need to space the edges (4 foot edge) of the sheathing. All the videos I've seen don't use H clips on the 4 foot edge. Why?
You still need to maintain the 1/8" gap on the short edge but you don't need to use H clips to do so because the gap is easier to maintain seeing as one board isn't pushing down on the other on an incline.
I am replacing roof decking should i use H clips on decking even though the rafters are 16 on center.
When installing furnace stack flashing are they normally 8” or vary in different sizes
do H clips eliminate deck sagging between rafters on 24" joists
Eliminate no, reduce yes.
keep you from falling thru
Why do ya have a piece of plywood not landing half way on the trusse?
How many clips for plywood?
I just started replacing my roof and there is no space along the ridge like I see @4:10. Should I cut a space when Installing the new boards? If so How much? Thank you.
How do you space the clips? One between every rafter or one for every sheet of OSB?
in between every 24 inch beam goes 1 h clip
Brian you know your stuff
Hey thanks for the tips, greatly appreciated!
Really loving your content, smart guy, good content, great jobs.
Thanks
My roofers did not use the h clip for filling the hole left by the static vent since I have shifted to the ridge vent this time. It is just one piece of plywood. Do I have to worry about it?
No you should be fine.
@@GrandRoofingInc Thank you. Good luck with your business.
What size decking are you going back with? Nice video. Enjoyed the drone views.
7/16 osb. we were lucky to even have that available. It's selling for upwards of $38 a sheet right now if they even have it in. As far as size there is no code requirements. Thanks!
7/16 osb
Great explanation. Thanks!
awesome video. i own ridgeview roofing in kalamazoo mi, love your practical videos
Thanks!
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How to finish w metal valley at rige and at facia board..
Just a question. You are very professional did you clean all the mess out of the attic. Not slamming anybody but I have seen guys just throw all the waste in there and it drives me nuts. But when I seen the sheeting go in it was still in there. Just a question not being a ass
illegal alien 🥑 construction are lazy as fuck
I've been wondering for a while now, why the switch from felt underlayment to the synthetic? Doesn't the felt help seal shingles to the wood?
No it does not
How many h clips per sheet?
I have had a lot of trouble out of those things doing tear offs. Crew would bend them up with a shovel then not beat them back down enough. A year later, they cut through the shingle and cause bad leaks. I know the necessity of using them, but they are a pain in the ass too
Definitely time to make those clips out of plastic, this way they can easily break away during a tear off…
so the H clips just goes on the long side of the sheets? you do not put them on the 4 foot ends?
only long side
I have a question! What kind of shoes are good to walk the OSB? I need to know this
Cougar paws are the best for steep pitch. everything but metal.
Thank you Brother this saved me big time.
Is T&G sheathing a "no-no"?
Rough estimate on what this job costs? Thanks!
If my builder forgot to install H-clips, is it worth removing everything and reinstalling them? Are there any alternative solutions?
No, that would be very costly. It will just be way more prone to buckling.
you are awesome, can you post full tutorial how to re roofing steps one by one , will be grateful if you do so. Thanks
Why not use cdx though?
Love watching this video!
Great content.
Are there H clips for 3/8” plywood?
yes, standard
is there anything that can be done to an area that is missing some h-clips after everything is done? maybe reinforce the back with some 2X4s or something?
After you rip a 1/8 gap down the sheet, drill the smallest hole required to get the h clip into the sheet off side of where you want it to end up and slide it in
How many should you be using per sheet?
I'd say 2 minimum per sheet. At least you got both sides of the osb covered at that point
in between every 24 inch beam
Video on flashing around chimneys
cool video man
And each clip is something they use to hold sheating between studs because the sheeting is too thin if they use 3/4 they don't have to worry about h clips
Great job!
Why no H clips on the other seams?
Gracias 😊
As always great video
Great video
Great video. Thanks!
Thank You
Did not use them with 5/8 " Ply and Metal Roof
Why didn’t he guys run horizontal lats along the rafters to support the sheets ‘ or put in more rafters
because for 50 cents you can install an H clip .... ?
8 minute video and you couldnt show ONE H clip installed between the panels showing the gaps? Any spacing on the ends with clips?
all fucking videos do this shit!!! the most important part of ANY VIDEO they jabber 30 minutes and you keep watching to get the info and it never comes!😳🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️💩💩
What’d that job run the customer?
They had h clips before correct?
No there were no hclips, it was just 3/8 plywood on 24 c.
I've ran into a few times where shingles are so inbeded to ice and water that they just won't come off .omg what a deal that is
Bravo! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I would think by the time you put your felt down and shingle it, it's not going to breathe much if at all. I think they are just trying to sell us more shit. I think the gable vents and soffit vents and ridge vents if done correctly work just fine and luckily you don't really see too much 24 oc on roofs around where I live.
Got my 250 box shipped to Thailand from Amazon. Only problem. Plywood is metric sized, so i had to size it up
You Deal with ABC supply
Right now yes
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No H clips???
Poor venting when. It was built
what I don't like is the trash your leaving inside the home owners attic its pushing down the insulation there should be no evidence,,, that you where there putting a roof on in my opinion ....I went up in my attic and there was wood where they cut the main roof peak at plus shingles with nails in the under the blowen in insulation nd when your on your hands and knees up there you cant see the trash left but that's my opinion
Are there no working at heights regulations where you are? Here in Ontario anything over 10’ you must tie off
where bouts in ontario
Maybe most of your subs are from before TH-cam changed the subscription notification bell 🔔 🤷♂️
You know I'm not sure when they changed that. I do know that I have tripled my sub count since July.
So thats why insulation is always covered in roofing shit.... i get it now.
Just don't get why people use osb as it gets wet and loses all integrity
He said the OSB was $38 a sheet so plywood would have been crazy expensive for this roof. But people do love their OSB these days. One roofer said he prefers OSB because it's more rigid and deals with the heat better, but I'd take that trade off for better moisture handling if I can afford plywood.
3/8" sheathing on a roof? Who thought that was a good idea?
How much do you pay for plywood install
How much per layer, how much more per addition layer
Say hello to my paisas, just don’t call them that well not be happy about it
Do you have any other race besides paisas working for you
Osb on a roof is crap
3/8 on 24 is cheap and stupid. On 24, I always go 5/8. Must have been so-called production housing.
Just say no to OSB.
Nothing wrong with using OSB as long as you do it right and most people even contractors dont do it right.
What do you use then?
H Clips aren’t that important. Unless you live in a high wind area or heavy snow area. They are only recommended if your roof framing is beyond 24” OC. I’ve literally never used them. Waste of time. Time is money.
If your roof framing is beyond 24", you have bigger problems. The more important thing H clips do is space the wood just enough to allow for expansion.
code! code ! code!! city inspectors !! REALITY
H clips are crap I use a 2 by 4 between the 24 inch centers h clips always get f up on a tear off
I like your videos but technically, "decking" refers to a level, flat surface. Roof sheathing is not the same as "decking".
Expansion you say......That's why osb is garbage.
Plywood expands to.
@@GrandRoofingInc Can you imagine what that deteriorated old plywood decking would of looked like if it were osb, the whole roof would of collapsed on itself years ago. I don't understand why homeowners continue to choose osb over plywood when the cost spread out over the life of the roof is minimal. Makes no sense to me.
@@hippo-potamusthis is roofer knowledge
Toss the H clips in the garbage and use T&G plywood! Much higher quality job
T&G Plywood? Toss that in the trash. Frame the house out of concrete - slab, walls, roof deck...the whole thing. LOL at the folks commenting without knowing the contract requirements.