ICE AND WATER SHIELD INSTALLATION TRICKS
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- One person can install long lengths of ice and water shield to the roof, however it is easier for two people to install, especially with some new installation tricks. Remember that in high temperatures and direct sunlight the self adhering membrane begins sticking immediately. However, with a little practice even installing under these conditions you'll find that these tips will make it easier.
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I miss doing roofing. From age 12 dad trained me flat roof and I roofed for a few decades off and on. I learned sloped roofing as well , many thousands of square feet , millions probably. I'm too heavy now at 50 I cant jump around on sloped roofs. Or be up ladders at nearly 300 pounds I am now. I miss roofing. My son is a red seal roofer now and I am dream of the day I'm more in shape to work with him on some flat roofing. I love roofing. It's in our blood. My dad would be proud of my boy , roofing keeps you strong. I changed careers when my discs started act up. Thanks for share. You guys are do great work. Work with pride and quality materials. Great job guys
Can I use ice and water shield over a 100 sqft flat roof with out base underlayment sheet? Then just put torch down after or shingles or does it need base underlayment
@@gsrjaycee4521 yes as long as the roof is sealed , water tight ? All good.
Nice video for peeps who run into this product first time. Had to figure it out all by myself bout 10 years ago. TH-cam is awesome!
I worked for a roofing contractor almost 30 years ago. We used Grace Ice and Water Shield. Just recently did a small roof for a friend using all GAF products. The ice and water shield from them was so much more forgiving then I remember the Grace to be. Once the Grace hit the deck without backing, that was it.
That’s because Grace ice water shield It’s so much better.
Great team work.
Great video. Exactly been doing that way in Florida for 25years now
Awesome, thanks for the tutorial.
Buen trabajo amigo.👍
Excellent detail along the dormer wall flashing (it was the incorrect flashing) installed by the builder, but it can be corrected w/o having to dig into the stucco, using the exact method you described.
Details, it's all about the details when flashing all penetrations on the roof, there is no one size fits all, each penetration can be unique depending on multiple factors, take your time, use the correct flashing products for each one, and install them correctly.
It only takes a little extra time and little more money/products to do it right.
That roof will not leak.
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Grace Ice and Water has a paper back and it sticks like crazy. If you let that paper tear you are in trouble as you get one chance to stick it, no do overs. It doesn't require or need tacks. You set the beginning and you better be right if you are running a sixty foot roll. The nice thing is it sticks better than any I have seen in forty degree weather or even a bit lower.
the best narrative I have heard. Thanks
I watch this everyday at work but here I am watching you do it😂
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Beautiful Work !! 👍👍
👍👍 first time using this product, good informative exact information, confirmed my understanding of installation
What brand of Ice & Water Shield are you using? Would you recommend overlaping the edge of the facia in snow areas for protection against ice damns?
brand new to this - what kind of hammer and nails are you using? Also, can you install it over a single layer of 20 year old shingles before putting on a second layer of shingles?
Thank you... for everything you do
Buen trabajo felisidades por el video
I was going to install this in a much more difficult way. Thanks for sharing....it would have sucked. Experience is king.
Very well explained thank you sir
Awesome, thanks, I'm a budget DIY mom so thank you.
thank for video. sir
what kind of waterproofing this and material they use pls can u give me the material and brand name. thanks
Great video!
Boy I'm so happy somebody developed that✌️🖖✝️😀😳❗
Ive used this over the entire deck, glad I did because I wound up with defective 35 year certainteed shingles that started failing in 6, big class-action suit, the Tamko moisture guard I used kep it from leaking despite exposed nails and tabs that lost all their granules everywhere the sun hit.
No such thing as a 35 year shingle
@@robertmendoza2018 That's what they were advertised and sold as, it's also why Certainteed paind me almost $1100 in a class action lawsuit claim for shingles I paid $900 for.
"Laminated or architectural shingles used to be rated as 30 year, 40 year 50 year or Lifetime. As of January 1, 2011 most of these shingles carry a limited lifetime warranty even though the shingles themselves have not changed.
GAF, Certainteed, Owens Corning, Atlas, Tamko, have all changed their warranties on architectural shingles, 3-tab shingles at this point have not changed. "
So can I use ice and water shield over a entire 100 sqft flat roof with out a base underlayment ?
You have a cool looking truck!
Great video very helpfull
What hammers are you all using?
Should replace the existing wall flashings
Is it necessary to add a ice and water shield in Los Angeles when installing synthetic felt ?
Looked through the comments, didn't see exactly what IWS you are using - could you please list a link to it in your video notes, thanks...
My " thing " as a carpenter is the roof ridge is overloaded with shingles in this video. $0.50
Installment and explanation of underlayment and flashing is done right !
If you were is snow country how would you seal the eave edge against backup?
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Good video
Right over the OSB? Will that come up in 25 years for replacement? Did they really need to stapple? The staples are just to hold it in place during installation?
I'd like to use this in a low slope flat single pitch roof in Florida (no Snow).
Yes it works best when it's right over the osb sheeting. Yes you should use some type of faster to hold it down unless its a super hot day out and it's already sticking to the roof when you start, but it doesn't hurt to add staples/nails either way. One thing to add is if it's super hot out and you step on the top quarter of the i&w without some sort of fastener, it may start to slide out if you stand in that spot for more than a few seconds. So staples help with that issue.
If your roof is less than a 4/12 you should be looking at some sort of single ply/2 ply torch on roofing system. You shouldn't put shingles on a roof lesser than a 4/12 pitch, especially in flordia
If you are not putting on a gutter would the ice and water shield go over the drip edge on both the eve and the rake?
Modified Bitumen or SBS. Styerene Butidane Styerene. Or Rubber. Mixed in with Asphalt. Type 2
I’m amazed at how many roofs I see where it’s left out
I’ve heard there are good better and best in ice and water shielding quality. Can you recommend which products to use or which to avoid? Also what fasteners to use? Thx
It's going to depend on the suppliers that are available in your region also most company's won't warranty the product if the underlayment comes from a different company for example here we have iko and BP products if I install BP shingles the underlayment must also be from BP or they can viod the warranty.. tbh getting any company to pay out on that warranty is next to impossible they will always blame it on workmanship but that's usually how it goes. Just don't be a pennie pincher, not saying to buy the most expensive product but you pay for what you get so lol
I'm installing this stuff right now. Do you leave the fasteners in or remove before shingling?
Hopefully you left them in. I only install minimal fasteners because it sticks to the plywood once the sun hits it. Basically impossible to remove. The membrane seals around penetrations but will not seal if the fastener is removed
Does roofing felt go over the IWS?
What about installing ice and water around roof penetrations or vents?
Pretty good except for the 2nd cap nail. That makes it a bit harder to get your line straight with no wrinkles.
What do you put on top of the ice and water shield? Can I use mineral paper?
I noticed you put the ice and snow down before the synthetic cover?
I need to be able to peel the strips off the bottom of asphalt rolled roofing by myself. I can't seem to do it solo.
If you're by yourself, sometimes it's better to use smaller pieces like 10 ft chunks.
Just do the same as displayed in the video when doing the layer by the eaves, but when you take the bottom plastic off, fold the lower half of the i &W towards the top, so it folds above and lays on the top part, pull it high enough so you can barely see the black underside of the top section of i&w and then peel the plastic off carefully. Try not to let it fold in on itself. Then from one side edge, slowly push the folded half down and gravity should cause it to unfold itself, you might just have to push it down a few times where it gets stuck.
Also make sure to staple the top section before doing this by yourself.
I've had some sticky situations with ice and water shield on hot days😄
What is the brand of the material that you are using? Thanks
This Ice and water is a CertainTeed brand. Called WinterGuard.
Hello I have cuestión for you,
Can I Install Ice.and water shield, down of TPO membrana ?
Please answer thanks 🙏
i only seen one with his rope and harness on but not on right the others had harnesses but not right as well on but no ropes. but good info video even though i like the ice shield lapped up the wall under wall flashing wen ever i can .
We always cover whole roof with bitumen underlayment then lay shingles over it. We do have harsh winters with snow and freezing temperatures.
That's an excellent way to be prepared for harsh weather.
I ran it all the way up my addition. The added cost is low. Put on steel roof. If any leaks/sweating I essentially have a waterproof roof under steel.
If is Florida its good ..cover hole roof with i&ws. North states with snow 1 row or 2 row Around eves its ok
I like that you’re using roofing nails 😉.
If it tears the ice-water shield then you should not be using that cheap stuff.
Your workmanship is pretty good.
The piece you put behind the valley why not just put it perpendicular with the wall Of the chimney. Faster and easier then you don’t have to put that little piece in the corner.
Is it necessary to install say a synthetic underlayment over the ice and water shield if using ice and water shield on an entire roof?
If you us roofing nails you should not
* If you don't you run the risk of your shingles getting glued to the ice and water barrier. You'll have a heck of a time removing the old shingles when you reshingle your roof. IMO.
What type of hammers do you guys use?
Roofers hammers...magnetic ends to help drip cap nails in
Finally roofers that know what their doing
only to install that 1 roll over the gutter not on the roof,so you where saying
slate roofing where did they do that?
Ice and water is supposed to adhere to the decking only, not the felt paper 6:50
They are not doing correctly- I/W needs to be wrapped down over facia, behind the metal.
Learn how to spell before criticizing people
What i learn is how the job is done with the arneses DETACHED From the ROPE. Wow! IMPRESIVE!
The peel and stick ive used is so loose grain.. i cant walk or even lay on my side on it without the grain coming off and then i slide. Sticks to shoes when wet making your next step on paper or ply feel like your on marbles.
Please send a link to that hammer they are using
Doesn't the plastic lock in moisture?
After applying this to my eaves and valleys, do I roll the felt paper completely over it? Or do I just roll the felt out over the rest of the decking and stop where it meets the Ice and Water Shield Strip? If I stop where they meet, how much should the felt overlap, if at all? Thanks for the informative video!
Felt over the whole roof. The next time the roof needs to be done, the roofer will thank you.
Hi there does this stick on the metal part the flashing the edge? Thank you
Yes it does, I keep the material in a cool place until the last second (LAST SECOND not minute) during warmer weather, it is easy when cool or cold.
What kind of hammer is holding those nails in place? Are the nails the plastic disk type?
Nails or staples to fasten down?
Does the drip edge go over the top of the ice and water shield on the rake ends or does the drip go on first like the eaves?
Ive put the stuff on over the drip edge, never had any issues, I doubt it makes any difference either way at that very edge.
I've always heard that the drip edge goes over the underlayment on the rake edge.
Gaf said lnly at bottom over gutter as well
We had ice and water shield installed during 50 degree day. Then it rained and water leaked through at OSB seams. Do you think it's an ice and water shield issue? Did it not adhere? Can it re adhere on some warmer days? Or does it have to be replaced?
Im going to be doing this first time alone.. I think if I pick grace, I will have problems so I need a ice and water I can reposition but still adheres good.
this stuff can drive someone insane in 95 degree heat!
Literally me today
It gets all stuck and complicated
Is this underlayment or can it be used for roofing of a shed without underlayment??
This is underpayment only. It’s not meant to be permanently exposed to the elements.
I understand that it cannot have any wrinkles because then it would allow water to pass under membrane. That the membrane depends on full contact for a water seal. So installation must be perfect of there is no warranty. Is that correct?
If you happen to spot a wrinkle after you already got the ice and water on, just push it down and it will be fine. If it's a bigger wrinkle, make a small cut into it horizontally and let the excess (the wrinkle will make some excess) lay overtop of the i&w next to the cut. Once heat gets to it, it will seal it around the protrusion.
Thanks
We have thought that because my house isn't that large we might use Ice & Water to the whole thing. Would that be a good or bad?
Roofing contractor in Oregon here. Being costly would be about the only downside to ice and water on the entire roof surface. If you are in an area that experiences a lot of snow, I'd say go for it if you arent too concerned on the price. If you are in an area that doesnt experience a ton of snow, then Id recommend doing the entire outside perimeter then doing the rest with a hybrid synthetic underlayment, such as Safeguard 30 Hybrid synthetic underlayment. Let me know if you have anymore questions, happy to help.
Does the drip edge go over or under the ice and water?
Over
This is one of the best types of its times the roofing company i work for usually use it to put on the slope roofs before we put the panel's on but really cant be used for mutipale things
Steven Kirksey look at your gibberish before you post next time? But your wrong! Here in Michigan we do many homes with all ice & water shield. We get lots of snow, hence ice build up, and it surely helps
Can i use it as a roof instead of shingles ??? Thanks
@@MrYeast-vk3dm no this is designed for underlayment only. Look for rolled roofing. Ok for sheds or small structures. But i would never install it on a home. Very low life rating, most likely wouldnt last long
you say you do need felt paper in addition so since I didn't see it under the ice/water shield it is then applied on top ? Also what is your recommendation for a reasonably priced ice/water shield. Will only be applying on the North and west sides of home and one strip. Thank you!
We are producing new videos on ice and water shield. In the new videos we will share our recommendations. Thanks
Synthetic underlayment or felt paper is installed on the balance of the roof surface where the IWS is not installed, however some building codes require synthetic to be installed over the IWS. While working in the Denver metro area and in the foot hills we have over 20 governing jurisdictions for building codes. Once you start working in Summit county the codes change drastically.
If you work in Florida and in Miami Dade County the codes will be different. Be sure to install IWS and underlayment over local building codes.
What kind you use?
Why isn't the flashing removed and then place ice and water shield 6 inches up the chimney and side wall etc... put flashing back in place with new flashing?
Lol'
@Emily Stornetta every time a new roof goes on Emily you replace the flashing, boots, chimney flashing etc... that's just good business
Emily Stornetta Pull the nails out🤯👍🏼
@@BrettTracyRealtor had to cut EIFS or stucco before to correctly install I&W. We then repaired the wall or matching metal counter flashing to cover the tins. Yes that is good business. Also I&W should never be on top of the underlayment
@@johnlieb1 Per GAF, the old flashing is to be removed and the ice and water shield has to be installed at least 5" up. What your workers did in this video creates an area for water to penetrate and get stuck.
Pants, long sleeves, and sun hats. Way smarter than the guys up there with shorts and no shirt.
Might be a cooler day there and then.
What brand of ice shield is that ? I like the granules for traction and also the shingles won’t stick to it. We’re having a lot of problems ripping shingles off that were done with ice shield. Almost have to take the plywood off to do it right.
Death to Ice Shield Not sure what brand they are using but shingles will most certainly stick to it. About 4/5 roofs I do are a pain in the ass because of it. I suggest you put your felt down over the ice and water. The next roofer will be extremely thankful for it!
If its actual branded Grace Ice & Water it isn't too bad. Any bargain brand self-adhered is an absolute nightmare!
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looked to me the the boss in the right side of the screen was a little upset that the first roll out had ripples!
How are they nailing those cap nails so fast? Do the hammers have magnetic "nail starter holders on top?
orcoastgreenman yes they're really efficient and time saving, I've owned a couple
Joseph Smith - I have a stiletto framing hammer that has one, but it's magnet is set too deep for the nail length on the cap nails. Will have to look for a shingling hammer with the nail starter... Thanks!
Yes
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Why not cordless roofing nailer like this? th-cam.com/video/nwfRGu6No8E/w-d-xo.html
If you don't put underlayment on TOP of the ice and water and under the shingles and instead put the shingles directly down on the I&W shield you will not be able to remove shingles for replacement to fix a leaky or damaged roof. And you may end up having to rip off the old shingles complete with the plywood sheathing for the next roof at a large cost for a completely new plywood sheathing to put the next roof on.
Ice and water is underlayment.
@@Jimmy_Cavallo It's a tar product. It will bond to whatever roofing product you put on top when it heats up on hot days. A layer of tar paper between the ice shield and roofing will make your roof maintainable with minimal cost and effort.
Can I use ice and watershield on a entire 100sqft flat roof with no base underlayment ?
And just add torch down or shingles on top of ice and water shield ?or does it need base underlayment ?
@@gsrjaycee4521 I'd recommend you put that question to an actual roofer. Put your comment in the main page of comments and he should be able to advise you. If it has a slope or no slope tell him that too. May not need it with torch down but I don't that. Good luck.
how far up does it need to go?
2 feet up the heated wall. So about 4 feet in total on this house.
I did my whole roof with I/W. Cheap insurance. Ten years and not a problem.
My rolls are sitting in the driveway now , waiting for installers to come . ... doesn’t seem very sticky?? Can it. Be too cold to install?
Should have had the material sitting in your heated garage for 1-2 days prior to install to help it adhere if it is cold outside
Look at the specs on it.
nah - I've dried in in zero degree weather in Michigan. Just make sure you tack it down nice and sturdy so it doesn't slip out while you're walking on it
Must be cold but I prefer to lay it cold makes it A LOT easier because this stuff can become a nightmare.
It's not supposed to be applied if its 40° or below.
Thanks for the video. Could you share some pros and cons for waterproofing the underlying plywood? I'm seeing opinions that the roof must breath, but the ice and water barrier is self-adhesive which means sealing and blocking the breathing.
You have to have roof vents (those that go on top point/crest of the roof and soffit vents. Cut holes in the soffits (under the edges of the roof) and put metal or plastic vents. Those and turbines release the heat and moisture.
Texas is correct. I recommend continuous ridge vent with the roof deck removed 1 1/2" down from the peak on both sides, and a continuous vented soffit on both sides of the building. (No end louvers if you follow this process)
Not all roof assemblies need to breath. Depends on your particular type. Cathedral, conditioned attic, unconditioned attic. etc.
Excellent response. I have sold metal roofing jobs over open purlins in Kentucky with a heated office inside the building, and as long they followed the advice you have given, still NOT have a condensation problem inside the building. Imo, Good ventilation is a key to roof longevity.
Hello .. is this Grace Ice and Water Shield or a different manufacturer ??
No it’s not Grace. It’s WinterGuard by CertainTeed. We only install CertainTeed and use this ice and water for our jobs.
Tuck that ice behind gutter, over the facia. Than slap the drip up , starter strip and shingle.
If people let gutters get clogged up it prevents ice and water from rotting your facia and backing up over top plate or roof deck.
that's exactly right friend. the ONLY way to do it at the gutters. On the rake sides of roof it's best to put paper UNDER the drip edge from my understanding. Peace
I live in Lake Elsinore California would you recommend somebody on my patio roofing is that leak and it went through many company and they don’t use water barrier seal would you please give me some number please
Magnetic hammer, cool.
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Bad spanish grammar and as you see are english comments on this video.
And chimney flashings
I like to understand the reason you chose not to use the TORCHING Method.....please explain .....on a flat roof....thanks
Do you still need felt paper if you use this water barrier stuff?
Yes, either felt paper or synthetic underlayment is needed, unless you are in an area that code requires all ice and water shield for the entire roof.
Integrity Roofing and Painting yes that's what i was wondering, if I cover the entire roof with an ice/water barrier do I still need felt paper. This is for a workshop so small roof. 1 roll of the water barrier would cover the entire roof.
Ricky B im reshingling my garage r now and my area requires 100% ice watershield so no i dnt put paper down b4 or after... the shingles go ontop of thie ice shield, it replaces the felt underlayment in my case and is code still.
Ricky B . does the timber need to be primed to get fully bonded
Yeah but once you have to replace your are done. Hard to find a leak too.
Ice and watershield is good but it's not bulletproof, I've had to do repairs on roofs with ice and water installed more than a few times. And if you know how to install flashing correctly, you don't need it around chimneys and walls. I know it's a good barrier but def not a necessity.
GAF shingles and CertainTeed used to be 4 inch up the wall and 4 inch by 4 inch by 8 inch step Flash instead of that continuous crap that leaks
Kenneth Fisher the shingles are on the roof
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Good video but try to do it on a 14 pitch. And second thing Cricket on that roof way way to small against the chimney
It's nice that they are wearing a safety harness... but no lanyards are attached. (?)