I cannot thank you enough for your content. My mom was horribly traumatized by this cult and her entire life she has been haunted thinking she is a bad person even though me and other people in our family are no longer part of the witness cold and try to tell her she's not. It wasn't until watching your videos that my 75-year-old mother has finally gotten complete peace and understands that she's a good person that she was traumatized by a cult. thank you so much I cannot begin to tell you how much your videos have helped our family your content was able to accomplish with all the other guests on your show what we could not in four decades
How did you convince your mom to watch? I ask because I’m currently gathering information to send to them by mail for them to read for themselves. Im also sending them the audio of a convention talk from1974 discussing the end of the world in 1975.
@@ericayael3850 I told her that there are others out there who have suffered as we have. And that everything we have been telling her how disfellowshipping is wrong shunning is wrong the things that were done to her was wrong other people were saying the same thing. that there's many people out there that have had the same or very similar experiences that we had. I did relay some of the information that Lloyd had on his videos. Also my cousin has had several family members watch videos from Lloyd Evans all of them said that they feel healed and have peace in their heart. When my cousin told my mom this she immediately watched. After watching several videos certain ones we definitely pointed out that would be extremely helpful to her; she says she feels completely healed. I don't think Lloyd realizes just how many people he's helping. People who are deeply traumatized and he is making a massive difference. Just in my family alone his content, videos and guess have healed five people. my mom's experiencing total peace in her heart and in her life for the first time
I was never a JW but in a vulnerable part of my life living in a small town they turned up. They were really friendly and seemed nice at surface level. A nice middle aged couple offering some spiritual guidance They were very perceptive and picked up fast we were not happy. My partner was a soft target she was at the time going through a spiritual crisis and looking for purpose. The bible study started I could not stand it in the end. The changes in my partner were astonishing to they point they were telling her we should not be having sex or sharing a room out of wed lock. I eventually would not allow them in our home my partner went away to these stupid studies. It was a Hamer blow to our relationship and we split for a while. Her family managed to eventually convince her JW is a poisonous lie. To any one considering joining DO NOT let these people near you or your family. These people prey on the vulnerable, create divisions in families or relationships if they are given an opportunity. My heart goes out to the people that are stuck in this cult.
Keith. You are Correct about the Tactics and Manipulation of Jehovah's Witnesses and Accurate about the Future Heartache and Divisions among Families. Watchtower/JWs absolutely are trained to spot and prey upon a person's weakest moments and Insecurities. Like every other Narcissistic Person(Watchtower Org is a Cult filled with and a breeding ground for Narcissists), They seek out and abuse those people that are Empaths and Have Inner Traumas and Fears. They (JWs)are like Vultures circling a weak animal or wounded one. Like every other Narcissist; They "Love Bomb" You at first(Talk of Paradise and Perfection and Global Unity), only to later show their True Nature and Agendas(Cold Hearted and Narcissistic, Talk of Catastrophic Global Destruction and Acceptance of Divisions and Separations among Families and Friends Who Choose Not To Follow Watchtower Org). It is too bad that People can not see from the beginning, just who and what they are TRULY dealing with and getting involved with. Similar To Relationships with Other forms of Narcissists and Narcissistic Abuse.
Thanks a great reply My past encounter left an emotional scar and sometimes resurfaces. Recent Cold phone calls has triggered me to comment and support to channels like this. In comparison to trauma others have endured I consider my self lucky.
I know what you mean about changes in your girlfriend when she started studying with the Witnesses. Although pre-marital sex was an absolute no-no for me before I became a JW in my early 20s, due to my strict upbringing by Evangelical Christian parents, the JWs view even kissing or hugging as off-limits in order to be considered "morally clean". I developed a terrible guilt complex as a result and decided to break up with my boyfriend when I started studying to become a Jehovah's Witness. My bf had introduced me to his JW family and I started studying the Bible with one of his sisters. I now know that he was a POMI (physically out but mentally in) and marrying a non-JW was not going to be accepted by his family. Even when I became a JW I was discouraged from dating ones who are viewed as "spiritually weak". Many JWs look for their potential marriage partners through the lenses of spiritual strength and "goals" in the organisation first and foremost. The more lofty the goal or title, the more eligible the potential mates, e.g., special pioneer, Gilead / missionary service, Bethel service. A convention talk was given once by a Governing Body member encouraging sisters to look for potential mates who are at least a ministerial servant. The prize for most sisters are brothers who are elders or Bethelites as some others are rarities such as Special Pioneers. True story: It happened to me. I moved to a new congregation about 2 years after I was baptised. I was discouraged from "associating" with a super nice brother who liked me very much and who I also liked. I was strongly encouraged to stay away from him because he was not spiritual. The lack of "spirituality" turned out to be that he was not "scripturally divorced" and was a "fringe" Witness. The elder who spoke to me told me I needed to work on building my faith and wait on Jehovah to bring me a worthy marriage mate! With this in mind I distanced myself from the brother and never did get married nor considered myself spiritually strong enough to allow myself to date anyone for the 27 years that I stayed in the organisation lest I be found out the be the shallow JW I was who rarely auxiliary pioneered or occasionally served where the need is great just for show . Because of this told myself that I was not JW wife material and became an AAA (available after Armageddon) when I would become perfect and find the perfect mate (what a load of crock!). What I admired as "strength" such as absolute faith in the Governing Body which I struggled to cultivate I now realise was due to the fact the majority of JWs that I associated with were born into the religion and their families were in it for generations and knew nothing else.
The only reason the WT has “new light” is to keep the rank and file excited about the organization and reinforce their beliefs, as well as convince them that the governing body is still receiving direction from god himself. The WT has to occasionally change out the carrot at the end of the stick every so often or else the same carrot becomes old, shriveled and unappetizing, and not worth the effort to chase after.
Thats a good point, my thought is right in line with yours, along with the direction from God, I think it serves to spark the thought of "what if", what if I am found to be a goat. And since they've exhausted their "generation" con, now it's gotta be something else to bring to mind the Great Tribulation manipulation. Same old con, just re-packaged.
I can imagine JW's Watching this: "But they are imperfect men" "Jehoover will reveal it in his own time", " Its the best explanation we have for now" , "You dont understand the mind of Jehoover" "You are not Spiritual", "You are Apostate", "We must avoid you because you are being negative" (But, nothing sucks like a Jehoover)
They'd be better off dusting off the old publications and just using them again! But lets be honest here, the real reason for new light is probably to keep the sheepys interested. Imagine how boring it is to keep the doctrines set in stone for decades, it'd be as bad as the Catholic church, the harlot! I grew up a JW, the new light in talks & books at the conventions was a big deal & I'm sure made the donation $$$.
I can't believe I was so close in getting baptized...I snapped out of it when they helped me write a letter to my church to basically renounce my indoctrination as a Catholic. Apparently, it is totally acceptable to become an apostate to join their cult. But, don't you dare leave them, otherwise, you become an apostate...and that's a bad thing. I started to look for information and bang! I found you! Listening to you makes a whole lot more sense than listening to those guys. I wasted 2 years of my life...not bad...could've been worse. I tried to wake my family up...lost cause. Thank you for your work, Loyd, I sure enjoy your videos. Greetings from Canada 🇨🇦
Insulting them doesn’t help. If they come here at all its in search for answers. When you insult them it only proves the point that opposers are hateful. They’ve been taught this their entire lives show some empathy...
What really annoys me, apart from all the moving goalposts, is that they have taken one of the most beautiful verses in Scripture, and twisted it to cover up their lies. Despicable.
There's nothing beautiful about being regarded as god's sheep. As they are raised to eventually be slaughtered. Or are you talking about some other verse?
There's a joke I heard I'll tell it the way I heard it. They have there was this litter of puppies. This little girl was trying to give away the puppies. She was saying Catholic puppies for sale at Catholic puppies for sale. Nobody took the puppies. Couple days later she was selling the puppies and she said free puppies Joe witness puppies for sale. And the man asked her to saw this little girl why were yesterday they were catholic puppies for sale and now they're free puppies Jehovah witness puppies today. Because the little girl said well their eyes were shut before and now their eyes are open. That's the joke. That was a genuine Jehovah witness joke. They even brainwashed themselves in their jokes.
They won’t. TH-cam and Watchtower are not on the same team on this. TH-cam makes money from creators who bring in traffic. Lloyd Evan’s channel is very well researched, and made. The numbers don’t lie. I’m not even subbed to it, and still watching it. They won’t drop him. Trust me.
@@tiadiad I hope that is so. Was never baptized but studied with them and went to Kingdom Hall on and off for 5 years. Was enrolled in the Theocratic Ministry School and came dangerously close to starting door to door witnessing when I finally woke up and left. Lloyd's channel is the best at demonstrating the huge bullet I dodged that could've ruined my life.
you make changes to the generation at the time where it is impossible that it was correct .. that isnt new light that is a whoops.. same with the sealing of the anointed in 1935 .. you make that change when there are new GB to appoint because they are all dying !!!
So, if "new light" is needed to correct the "new light" you had yesterday, which at the time you claimed came from God, then, are you saying God gave you 'bad' light? Why would God do that? And if the Bible doesn't change, why do you have to keep updating the "truth"? When something is true, it is true and that's the end of it. The reasonable conclusion, therefore, is that Jehovah's Witnesses neither received any light from God nor have the Truth.
And keep your eye on their competition. We may not see it in the short run, but they are all famous for their shifting doctrines and dogma. "It is all true today and with out error - today under our better understanding today, and forget about all those earlier faithful who sacrificed all their work and earthly goods and their lives in sacrifice as martyrs." Oh, yeah, that is not sensible.
Another MASTERPIECE Lloyd!! Your logic is totally undeniable! I tell you, if there are active or mentally in JWs watching your videos that don’t wake up or at least begin their critical thinking process they are either too brainwashed or they just don’t care
Probably this could be the case. But, anyways, all must have to do with money, in order to avoid future problems. Two witnesses rule must have been reviewed with some cherry pick "new light" from scriptures (those with 2k years old!)
@@benjaminfalzon4622 Yep they are the enemy of Christ and out to destroy Christianity. Freemasons and WT. WT have over the years caused so much confusion and harm to people. They have damaged Christianity by claiming " they are" Christianity when in fact they are part of Satan's system that they go on about so much.
I believe Christ said not to listen to those who said the Christ is here...or the Christ is here...which has never been true and will never be true. Quit listening to these false prophets!
This subject used to be my favorite on jwfacts, for me it's one of the weakest pillars holding the GB framework, am happy Lloyd is doing the video version, I can't wait...
What ever you do never tell them you had figured out the ‘new light’ before the octopope did. I may cost you your family and “friends”when you are accused of either running ahead of the org or thinking you know more that the gov body.
What’s messed up is when JWs get stuff wrong they make excuses via “New Light” versus when other religions are wrong they judge by the “if it’s just 10% wrong it’s 100% misleading” metric. Watchtower loves the ‘rules for thee not for me’ reasonings.
“But the path of the righteous is like a light switching on and off, his understanding flip-flopping between positions as required to support the needs of the Governing Body of his day.”
Sorry Lloyd Evans but YOU FORGOT the most important thing! The new "light" from Jehovah of 2019 says that the locusts are the Babylonian armies and NOT Jehovah's Witnesses. The problem with this interpretation is that it was already given in Matthew Poole's famous Biblical Commentary on Joel in 1685 and in Matthew Henry's 1706, both of which are available online! So the scholars of "Satan's world" already knew 400 years ago what they only discovered in 2019. Isn't that strange?
I know the answer to this. When I had similar questions/observations I was told that Satan leaves bits of truth scattered in his lies. That is the proverbial bait in the trap.
Now that I think about it, not reading the bible in context, whether that is the surounding scriptures, the individual book, or the history of that book it's culture supposed writers, is the reason this religion is so messed up or even exists to begin with. When I remember that there founder's, CT Russell, way of coming to the "truth" was to look up every scripture on a topic compare them and decide what they thought it ment. This video made me realize that is there whole problem. It was when I decided to actually read the bible in order and context and cross reference it with itself not WT literature that my doubts really solidified.
Jeffrey Jackson talks about how you wouldn’t shoot a dog in the middle of the night for barking as a potential warning for danger. My father, an elder and “upstanding” member of the congregation shot our family dog in the middle of the night once because it wouldn’t stop barking. Completely unhinged, abusive and full of anger is the elder that I grew up with. Real nice organization that promotes abuse of children by the hands of their parents by not sparing the rod and emotional blackmail if you don’t conform to the way of their cult. Thank you for all that you do Lloyd :)
Kirsten, I was married to a very abusive man. They would tell me" if he killed you"! Bla bla bla. They see one way even though the bible says there is no room in marriage or raising children for abuse. But they are true hippocrates.
I take very serious issue with GB Jackson’s analogy about the dog. It very much dilutes the abusive nature of the indoctrination they dished out where many gave everything to follow it. And I do mean everything.
"And if we were to confine ourselves to just these three verses we could make a case for this explanation" david splane And that is exactly what they did when it suited their needs to do so!
Having had a similar departure and awakening as Lloyd but in the late 80’s, and having been a zealous member for 25 years before that, I am impress by the revealing research and perfectly documented expose on this debunking subject. What it’s most hurtful to my heart is how this new readjustments about the judgment of the sheep and the goats reinforce their grip on the rational to judge and reject people now to keep the ranks disciplined and in morbid fear of being condemned if rejecting one of the arguable beliefs that any humane individual would have doubts about. Radical dividing ostracism, birthdays, blood practices, and many many more. Control, Control, Control. Despite all contradictions and failed predictions, inhumane mind control is sacred. Very tragic.
JWs say 'The light is getting brighter' Well, think about this for a moment.... Imagine you went into a room and it was pitch black with no light in there. There are chairs and a table, a chest of drawers, a coloured carpet, a lamp and a vase of flowers. You know these things are in the room, but you can't see them. Now, turn on a small light. You start to see the outline of the things there As the light gets brighter, you start to see the details clearer. But, as the light gets brighter, the items don't change. They just get clearer. So, how does that work when the JWs say the light getting brighter CHANGES the original idea? Brighter light simply shows what's there in a clearer way...not CHANGING the things that are there. The whole idea of 'Brighter light' does not agree with the concept of ideas changing....it would just make ideas clearer. When JWs flip-flop their beliefs under the illusion of 'brighter light', it cannot be used, even as a metaphor. Just sayin'
The Bible doesn’t change and nor has it for the last 2000 years. But yet the amount of changes the organization has made in the last 100 years saying it’s from God and that the Bible says something different contrary to the current beliefs
Nice to ear Geoffrey Jackson comparing them as barking dogs. It remembered me the words of Revelation 22:15 "outside are the dogs...". Geoffrey described the faithful slave so well!
My thought is: So Jehovah has to SLOWLY reveal his scripture to humans? Why? Humans aren’t stupid, they can handle these teachings. If it’s really the truth, then everything should’ve been taught the same way this whole time!
This has always been my opinion too. Why was it done slowly? Truth is the same it doesn’t vary and none of it was so shocking we couldn’t handle it. The only reason left is that they had it wrong the first time and “new light” is a handy excuse to change their minds without looking incompetent.
@@karendobias555 And; How many times can Watchtower "Get It Wrong(Inaccurate Truth)", before They "Get It Right"(Complete and Undisputable Truth)?🤔 It's been over 100 years of "Changing The Light Bulb"(Changing Doctrines and Expectations From The Governing Body Towards The Rank and File). When will The Indoctrinated, Micromanaged,Fantasy-Chasers realize that what Watchtower is Spewing and Demanding of The Followers, Not Healthy for Themselves or Accurate Information or Reality Based Living? Will it take 150 yrs? 175 yrs? 500 yrs? How many lives need to be sacrificed, for a Narcissistic and Mysogynistic Lie? Already too many have been. It has to stop. The Lies and Manipulation and Wasted Existences needs to end. (Rant Over. Sorry. Thanks for letting me vent.)
When you think about it, it seems the governing body prefers blaming God by saying it’s him that give (or didn’t give) knowledge in time, rather than admit they made a mistake themselves. They transfer all the responsibility on God. Not only it’s a lack of humility but it’s also an indication that they don’t actually care about knowledge if they just don’t believe it’s worth pursuing, and that it's something that will just be “bestowed” upon them miraculously and without any efforts.
Brilliant explanation Ben 182 . I’m writing this down for future reference and use, as your comment is excellent. I might use it in a letter to the governing body, if I need to reference you let me know.
I am a slack JW ( of 30+ yrs)and still am, and for many years, i for similar reasons Lloyd gives, I concluded years ago, that the GB really had NO idea about the bible prophecy.
This video has me in tears. How can I find these men? I’d pay top dollar to slap the sh!t out of these governing body members. My heart man my heart is breaking. This organized ruined my family.
Lloyd , don't let them take down the channel . You're doing a great job of waking people up to get out of the wicked cult . You even taught me stuff , and I'm not a Witness . Keep going ! Fight if you have to , say no .
Thank you so much for this video. I think I have had a break through with this. It is amazing how long I did not think for myself and when I do it seems so clear that this is MANMADE! I am grateful for the work you do and I know the price you pay for this , and I am sorry they turn family on us, but THANK YOU for doing this regardless of the personal cost.!!! You are doing GREAT Work.
This takes me back to when Moses was leading the Isrealites out of Egypt. For some reason I can remember my father bringing up that everytime their was this “New Light”
That’s what doesn’t make any sense. If one of them dies then they replace that member with a new one who all of sudden is an interpreter of the holy scriptures? Stupidly at it’s finest.
At 20:20 I reply to the “watchdog” analogy. No. I wouldn’t shoot the watchdog for his continual barking. However, like the boy who cried wolf, you just tend to ignore him after several misdeeds. Over exaggerating with the “shooting” aspect, as usual 🙄
🤔 What happened to the old light? Better question....'How much time, money, effort and family collateral damage will the New light cost?'. Answer: Face psalm.... I mean face palm.
It’s like it used to be ok to smoke and celebrate Christmas. Well when Jesus said “they will know you are my followers because you are no part of the world” So, whatever the word does, JW’s shouldn’t do it. And it should’ve been that way the whole time.
The History of the JWs shifted each time a new Director was installed. It's odd that people would stay after the shifting of theology on an almost annual basis or when they got caught in error and than changed policy. It is obvious the Watchtower were constantly covering their hind quarters by each new directive
It was hard during my waking up to listen to their gymnastic reasoning. They were changing so fast, I hadn’t even memorized the new light that was now new light. KEEP STRONG LLOYD. WHERE CAN WE MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO YOUR CHANNEL SO YOU DONT GET SHUT DOWN?
A girl i used to be friends with popped up on my instagram and i feel so sad that she is still so in and so believing. I know she will probably never be out because her whole family is the model family everyone looks up at. I just really miss her and keep trying to understand how can they really not see anything wrong with the teachings.
Absolutely true. I keep thinking about the recent update on the 'locusts' and the 'we read it in context' rationale for the update. Or, more tellingly, the 'overlapping generation' teaching which has to be the most absurd bit of theology ever presented. And it exists for the sole reason that the timeline from 1914 has, itself, reached a use-by date from which they can no longer tenably hold to it as 'truth.' But, keep believing and hoping 'even if it makes no senser from a human standpoint.'
Not only does god purportedly give his servants bad information before giving them “good” information according to the new light teaching, he actually replaces bad information with different bad information before the “good”information makes it to them.
I am reminded here of the Watchtower article that started to wake me up. It used the example of a sail boat tacking in the wind, going first one way and then the other to get to the desired location. Reading this made me think why would God reveal things in such a haphazard way.
I love this haircut, Lloyd. Oh and, of course, I love all of the content of the information you put out there. Much thanks and appreciation for you. :)
Some of the last words in the bible warn people not to add to or subtract from the bible, else Jesus will not write their name in the Book of Life. How do they justify adding/subtracting from the bible?! I'm an ex JW of 15 years, I left around 2015. I love this channel so much. ❤ I hope everyone has a good day ^-^
the part that saddens me is the wonderful people i knew in my congregation who have no clue as to how bad this cult is, but, i can see how they are stuck in there. It amazes me that the crazy 8 have not been taken to court, maybe they will after the rank and file drink the cool aid. EDIT, love the work you and so many others do but i cant watch anymore, its like watching a train wreck in slomo....its so sad, I knew many young ones ( 10 to 20 something ) in my congregation , their lives F++ked by their family etc...its criminal
I had no idea what you or they were talking about in regards to The Locusts. I was born into the religion, and was a fervent POMI until I was 30, yet I still never had a firm grasp on the prophecies. It's not as if I never tried to get to know the "The Truth", but nothing besides the colourful story telling and the sense of community and brotherhood really reached me; in fact, a sense of purpose was the only real reason I got baptised. Although I did (and still do) consider myself to have a close bond w/ "Jehovah"). The rest sounded like a big, thirty year yawn of the same thing over and over again, with no real answers in sight. It wasn't until I took a job as a flight attendant that I finally saw the world for what it really was... which was actually exactly like I expected, not that scary. Life is tough but colourful. It is what you make it. You quickly find out that religion is not the answer to Existentialism, in fact, it's nothing but a hinderance to free thought; and therefore, truth. It didn't take much for my house of cards to crumble, and some JWs would argue that it's because I was never firmly planted in "The Truth", or didn't actually put the work in to develop a relationship with God. That's what hurts so much... that even though I got baptised rather young, in line with what I was advised to do by those I was supposed to trust, I was shunned and essentially typecast for the rest of my life because I chose to be honest with myself and stand up for what I believe in; which wasn't in line with them. If I only I had known then & there what I know now, I wouldn't have gone ahead to try and appease myself with the religion by spending years trying to get reinstated. Once I did, though, nothing changed. I had moved to the other side of the world already, but no one had ever checked on me; even out of pity. Nobody has ever come to visit me, or has ever reached out to me. I'm into my 30's now, and all I can really say is that I'm happy to have made it this far, and I've seen some amazing things, but I was robbed of developing a real life in my twenties because I was essentially made to believe I was "crazy." Even as a child, I never actually believed in any of it, I just went along with it because the fear of Armageddon was so deeply instilled in me that when battling it out in my mind, Armageddon always won; to the point it gave me nightmares. I can remember two distinct nightmares, to this day. They both involved me sitting up in bed in the middle of the night, looking out the window, and seeing enormous, bright white asteroids reminiscent of jellyfish (or something alien) barreling towards Earth on a starry night. It was desperate and horrifying, the feeling of imminent death... and that's what you grow up with. Regardless of all the decisions I've made based on that fear mongering, I'm still considered a black sheep. My family are still fervent, and I'm still full of scars, but I can't reveal anything because I'll have nothing left. All I ever tried to do was get back to where I was from, but they had already forgotten me. No one ever checked on me.
I knew a regular pioneer who would visit a brothel in the afternoon then be at the meeting that very same evening 'counselling' his fellow JW's on whatever was the flavor of the month lol He eventually went on to be a missionary somewhere.
1914 was a big part of watchtower teaching. The hours and hours of meeting and study articles pounding into pur heads. Now it just "oh well over zealous" oh well were just barking dogs.
Cheryl Lakin I know when days are turning into weeks, and weeks turning into months and then years. It was getting very old and after awhile you get sick of hearing it. I feel so sorry for people that have spent their entire life living this lie.
Watchtower always recycles old light, laundering it through time just to bring it back again at a time when few if any could realize what Watchtower’s done.
Let me get David Splaines pointing stick and whiteboard out, draw a diagram for you and explain our new concept of overlapping lights. It will make sense, and when it does, you may applaud.
I appreciate your channel. Back when I was in they twisted my thinking to sadly, not see any other way or view. People need a space to think and see clearly with out pressure.
Of added interest John 16:13 says that the spirit will guide Christians into ALL the truth. Receiving half truths or outright lies for decades or centuries is not what the Bible teaches.
Lloyd's 'New Light' video about new light 🤣 No wonder, it's hard to keep up with JW theology- more 'blinking' than progressive light! Keep up the good fight, @Lloydevans
I remember studying the proclaimers book and that’s when I first started having doubts it just didn’t make sense followed by further doubts with all this so called new light, old light and continually changing their minds. So glad I’m fully awake, it was along process for me but speed up with the help from Lloyd Evans, thank you very much for all your hard work bringing true light on this organisation
I'm a 3rd gen. Witness I've been out since I was 18 I'm 24 but I've always had a tie to my heart for the truth. But I've questioned more and more and realizing not everything was true. But I always thought it was the closest one that something was different about jehovah's witnesses. But one thing I never looked at was where the money goes I always thought for sure it was donations. But one day i finally got the courage to research it i read articles but came across your video and learned about the big tobacco stocks and the suing the government for money and the pedophilia. But another thing I found when I found your videos was the ex jw community and it's not horrible and evil like I was taught I thought I was alone or just by myself when it came to other witnesses questioning.
You are a 3rd generation JW. So how could you honestly know JWs were closest to the truth? The only knowledge you'd have of other Christian beliefs is filtered through what the JW publications claim about them. My parents converted to JWs. My father was a Methodist by birth, my mother Baptist. Yet neither of them really had any idea what those denominations teach. They had not studied them in any sort of depth before converting to JW. So they just parrots what the Watchtower claims. I'll give you a challenge. Don't even worry about exJW "apostates". Go look at what leading Biblical scholars say. If you want to know what beliefs are held, toss aside the JW tinted glasses and see what they actually say. Find out why they have different beliefs than JWs not filtered through what the Watchtower claims as to why. Here on TH-cam, go over to the Bible Project channel. Or search for videos from Old Testament scholars like John Walton, Tremper Longman, New Testament scholar NT Wright. Or check out New Testament scholar Con Campbell's brilliant In Pursuit of Peter and In Pursuit of Paul documentaries on the Our Daily Bread channel. William Lane Craig has a ton of indepth videos of various doctrines, including the Trinity on his drcraigvideos channel. You will find a whole world of scholars who have dedicated their lives to studying the Bible out of love for God. And unlike the Governing Body, these men can actually read the Biblical texts in their original languages.
What fascinates me here is that the sheep and goats adjustment is based SOLELY on the analysis of an illustration. As in, the ILLUSTRATION is used as the basis for the change. No scriptural justification is made to support it. Just that the illustration they just came up with governs how they should interpret the prophecy!
When I was a JW, changes in the official GB positions on things, was officially explained away by them , as being compared to a yacht tacking but still overall moving forward !!
Great job Lloyd. I felt EXACTLY the same way as you, that this is a man made organization back in 1980. After 1975 failure, I began to study WT past doctrines and used the exact same example you used here. I am looking forward to your explanation of your current spiritual condition.
If the home owner asked the guard dog why it was barking at nothing, the dog would say, I wasn't barking, you imagined it. And then it would bare its teeth and dare the owner to argue the point.
New light also made me finally open my eyes and stop feeling guilty about walking away from the cult. It makes no sense. It's not increasing, but rather intermittent. Stuff like the blood question, they keep moving the goalpost. Now it's okay to take fractions, then it wasn't, tomorrow it's a personal decision. Too bad that somebody might die because of following the doctrine to the letter. Or get disfellowshipped because not following it. So what about those people? Which light was the correct one now? And who bears the fault for making bad doctrine and ruining lives? The JW religion is just yet another man made and deeply flawed religion, based on utter nonsense such as numerology, and the backwards ideas of some old farts on a publishing companies' board of executives.
The people who run the organization are aware that they can control mental unstable people with the content they place, and that is a big responsibility and there is no justification if the manipulation is harmful. And in my opinion, there is no manipulation that is not harmful, every kind of manipulation does not lead to spirituality or mental / emotional maturity. For such damage, liability will have to be borne.
The Story of Samson shows how he came at the end of his life to a "new Light" understanding and the enemies of God were defeated. Samson went off track but God successfully completed his Plan through him.
I’m not sure how many children were affected, but in the 70s, 80s... our local JW attitude was that worldly school would not be completed and Armageddon would arrive before I’d get to 20, then 30 and education and University was not to be pursued or you were following worldly pursuits.
I graduated from high school, in 1994. That wasn't supposed to happen since that is 80 years past 1914, and when I was a kid, the teaching was that the generation who witnessed the events of 1914 had to be old enough to understand them, so about 10 years old in 1914. They gave themselves some leeway as that was just a guess on how old they had to be by 1914. In 1981 the UN declared that for their 40th anniversary 1986 would be the International Year of Peace. JWs jumped on that as possibly fulfilling 1 Thessalonians 5:3.
My mom said that I won't graduate from school before Armageddon. It was in 1994 and as a 14 yo kid I was scared to death. I thought that I will not survive and I'm not deserve to live.
@@alexandervankevich4937 Ditto but my mother told me that in 1974…that was when Armageddon was going to arrive in 1975. Like you I thought I wasn’t righteous enough to get through Armageddon. All that crap completely ruined several years of my life.
Here is what Charles Taze Russell says; WT February 1881 page 7 "If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now: But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New light" never extinguishes older "light," but adds to it. If you were lighting up a building containing seven gas jets you would not extinguish one every time you lighted another, but would add one light to another and they would be in harmony and thus give increase of light: So is it with the light of truth; the true increase is by adding to, not by substituting one for another." Synopsis ......any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth........ "New light" never extinguishes older "light" really? What do JW's really believe?
The more the GB talk, the more they are backing themselves into a corner. All of this flip flopping now, in the age of the internet, is clearly taking its toll.
If I have a lamp that needs its 'light' replaced too often I get rid of it and try to find a reliable solution.
And if I had eight lamps doing that I’d replace them all.
Seriously
But it's your great grandmother's lamp! 🤣
@@tangerinetangerine4400 so, i'd just sell it to an antique shop, grangran will understand or haunt me ;)
@@caligo7918 🤣🤣🤣
I cannot thank you enough for your content. My mom was horribly traumatized by this cult and her entire life she has been haunted thinking she is a bad person even though me and other people in our family are no longer part of the witness cold and try to tell her she's not. It wasn't until watching your videos that my 75-year-old mother has finally gotten complete peace and understands that she's a good person that she was traumatized by a cult. thank you so much I cannot begin to tell you how much your videos have helped our family your content was able to accomplish with all the other guests on your show what we could not in four decades
How did you convince your mom to watch? I ask because I’m currently gathering information to send to them by mail for them to read for themselves. Im also sending them the audio of a convention talk from1974 discussing the end of the world in 1975.
@@ericayael3850 I told her that there are others out there who have suffered as we have. And that everything we have been telling her how disfellowshipping is wrong shunning is wrong the things that were done to her was wrong other people were saying the same thing. that there's many people out there that have had the same or very similar experiences that we had. I did relay some of the information that Lloyd had on his videos. Also my cousin has had several family members watch videos from Lloyd Evans all of them said that they feel healed and have peace in their heart. When my cousin told my mom this she immediately watched. After watching several videos certain ones we definitely pointed out that would be extremely helpful to her; she says she feels completely healed. I don't think Lloyd realizes just how many people he's helping. People who are deeply traumatized and he is making a massive difference. Just in my family alone his content, videos and guess have healed five people. my mom's experiencing total peace in her heart and in her life for the first time
It's great to know people are being helped like this.
@@ericayael3850 can I have that audio from you please? I’m looking for that evidence
@@ericayael3850 I’ve been rolling around the same to share with my family. Can you share how I might find the same audios?
Jehovah watching them get it wrong all this time and mislead people- the ultimate prankster 🤣
Just like he was tricking Abraham and Job!
The ORIGINAL Prankster!
God is basically me when I play the sims 😭 Just intervening in human affairs, drowning people for shits and giggles😂
Jw org is like a meme page to god and jesus. They must be having a good laugh
@@TheSilverBeagle Break out, yea-aah!
Glad you're still here Lloyd!
The light doesn't get brighter. It blinks on and off!!
like blinky Lett.
I was never a JW but in a vulnerable part of my life living in a small town they turned up.
They were really friendly and seemed nice at surface level.
A nice middle aged couple offering some spiritual guidance
They were very perceptive and picked up fast we were not happy.
My partner was a soft target she was at the time going through a spiritual crisis and looking for purpose.
The bible study started I could not stand it in the end.
The changes in my partner were astonishing to they point they were telling her we should not be having sex or sharing a room out of wed lock.
I eventually would not allow them in our home my partner went away to these stupid studies.
It was a Hamer blow to our relationship and we split for a while.
Her family managed to eventually convince her JW is a poisonous lie.
To any one considering joining DO NOT let these people near you or your family.
These people prey on the vulnerable, create divisions in families or relationships if they are given an opportunity.
My heart goes out to the people that are stuck in this cult.
Keith.
You are Correct about the Tactics and Manipulation of Jehovah's Witnesses and Accurate about the Future Heartache and Divisions among Families.
Watchtower/JWs absolutely are trained to spot and prey upon a person's weakest moments and Insecurities.
Like every other Narcissistic Person(Watchtower Org is a Cult filled with and a breeding ground for Narcissists), They seek out and abuse those people that are Empaths and Have Inner Traumas and Fears.
They (JWs)are like Vultures circling a weak animal or wounded one.
Like every other Narcissist; They "Love Bomb" You at first(Talk of Paradise and Perfection and Global Unity), only to later show their True Nature and Agendas(Cold Hearted and Narcissistic, Talk of Catastrophic Global Destruction and Acceptance of Divisions and Separations among Families and Friends Who Choose Not To Follow Watchtower Org).
It is too bad that People can not see from the beginning, just who and what they are TRULY dealing with and getting involved with.
Similar To Relationships with Other forms of Narcissists and Narcissistic Abuse.
Thanks a great reply
My past encounter left an emotional scar and sometimes resurfaces.
Recent Cold phone calls has triggered me to comment and support to channels like this.
In comparison to trauma others have endured I consider my self lucky.
I know what you mean about changes in your girlfriend when she started studying with the Witnesses. Although pre-marital sex was an absolute no-no for me before I became a JW in my early 20s, due to my strict upbringing by Evangelical Christian parents, the JWs view even kissing or hugging as off-limits in order to be considered "morally clean". I developed a terrible guilt complex as a result and decided to break up with my boyfriend when I started studying to become a Jehovah's Witness. My bf had introduced me to his JW family and I started studying the Bible with one of his sisters. I now know that he was a POMI (physically out but mentally in) and marrying a non-JW was not going to be accepted by his family.
Even when I became a JW I was discouraged from dating ones who are viewed as "spiritually weak". Many JWs look for their potential marriage partners through the lenses of spiritual strength and "goals" in the organisation first and foremost. The more lofty the goal or title, the more eligible the potential mates, e.g., special pioneer, Gilead / missionary service, Bethel service. A convention talk was given once by a Governing Body member encouraging sisters to look for potential mates who are at least a ministerial servant. The prize for most sisters are brothers who are elders or Bethelites as some others are rarities such as Special Pioneers. True story: It happened to me. I moved to a new congregation about 2 years after I was baptised. I was discouraged from "associating" with a super nice brother who liked me very much and who I also liked. I was strongly encouraged to stay away from him because he was not spiritual. The lack of "spirituality" turned out to be that he was not "scripturally divorced" and was a "fringe" Witness. The elder who spoke to me told me I needed to work on building my faith and wait on Jehovah to bring me a worthy marriage mate! With this in mind I distanced myself from the brother and never did get married nor considered myself spiritually strong enough to allow myself to date anyone for the 27 years that I stayed in the organisation lest I be found out the be the shallow JW I was who rarely auxiliary pioneered or occasionally served where the need is great just for show . Because of this told myself that I was not JW wife material and became an AAA (available after Armageddon) when I would become perfect and find the perfect mate (what a load of crock!). What I admired as "strength" such as absolute faith in the Governing Body which I struggled to cultivate I now realise was due to the fact the majority of JWs that I associated with were born into the religion and their families were in it for generations and knew nothing else.
my bf is a JW but he wants to do sex things... O.o
@@erenjeager4369 Sometimes You Just Have To Be Yourself
The only reason the WT has “new light” is to keep the rank and file excited about the organization and reinforce their beliefs, as well as convince them that the governing body is still receiving direction from god himself. The WT has to occasionally change out the carrot at the end of the stick every so often or else the same carrot becomes old, shriveled and unappetizing, and not worth the effort to chase after.
Their beliefs are no different than a boat with no sail or engine. No real direction or reason.
Thats a good point, my thought is right in line with yours, along with the direction from God, I think it serves to spark the thought of "what if", what if I am found to be a goat. And since they've exhausted their "generation" con, now it's gotta be something else to bring to mind the Great Tribulation manipulation. Same old con, just re-packaged.
What's the carrot being changed
I can imagine JW's Watching this:
"But they are imperfect men"
"Jehoover will reveal it in his own time", " Its the best explanation we have for now" , "You dont understand the mind of Jehoover" "You are not Spiritual", "You are Apostate", "We must avoid you because you are being negative"
(But, nothing sucks like a Jehoover)
Aaaaaand howww
They'd be better off dusting off the old publications and just using them again! But lets be honest here, the real reason for new light is probably to keep the sheepys interested. Imagine how boring it is to keep the doctrines set in stone for decades, it'd be as bad as the Catholic church, the harlot! I grew up a JW, the new light in talks & books at the conventions was a big deal & I'm sure made the donation $$$.
I can't believe I was so close in getting baptized...I snapped out of it when they helped me write a letter to my church to basically renounce my indoctrination as a Catholic. Apparently, it is totally acceptable to become an apostate to join their cult. But, don't you dare leave them, otherwise, you become an apostate...and that's a bad thing. I started to look for information and bang! I found you! Listening to you makes a whole lot more sense than listening to those guys. I wasted 2 years of my life...not bad...could've been worse. I tried to wake my family up...lost cause. Thank you for your work, Loyd, I sure enjoy your videos. Greetings from Canada 🇨🇦
Insulting them doesn’t help. If they come here at all its in search for answers. When you insult them it only proves the point that opposers are hateful. They’ve been taught this their entire lives show some empathy...
We should all "Listen, Obey and be Blessed" 😂
What really annoys me, apart from all the moving goalposts, is that they have taken one of the most beautiful verses in Scripture, and twisted it to cover up their lies. Despicable.
There's nothing beautiful about being regarded as god's sheep. As they are raised to eventually be slaughtered. Or are you talking about some other verse?
How many JWs does it take to change a lightbulb? None. Because they all just imagine they've seen new light while they sit in the dark!!!!🤪
Best comment I've seen so far!
There's a joke I heard I'll tell it the way I heard it. They have there was this litter of puppies. This little girl was trying to give away the puppies. She was saying Catholic puppies for sale at Catholic puppies for sale. Nobody took the puppies. Couple days later she was selling the puppies and she said free puppies Joe witness puppies for sale. And the man asked her to saw this little girl why were yesterday they were catholic puppies for sale and now they're free puppies Jehovah witness puppies today. Because the little girl said well their eyes were shut before and now their eyes are open. That's the joke. That was a genuine Jehovah witness joke. They even brainwashed themselves in their jokes.
I need a punchline:
What's the difference between a false prophet and a barking dog? ....
@@gumpyj a dog is a dog and a false prophet is a false prophet like only difference between pork and humans is pigs are pigs and humans are humans
I don't know the dogs have larger phalluses.
Sometimes, what we think is new light, is actually glare from our studio lighting on pinky rings and rolexes and we make genuine mistakes.
Love your name
I really hope Watchtower and TH-cam don't shut you down as your channel is the best of its kind.
They won’t. TH-cam and Watchtower are not on the same team on this. TH-cam makes money from creators who bring in traffic. Lloyd Evan’s channel is very well researched, and made. The numbers don’t lie. I’m not even subbed to it, and still watching it.
They won’t drop him. Trust me.
@@tiadiad I hope that is so. Was never baptized but studied with them and went to Kingdom Hall on and off for 5 years. Was enrolled in the Theocratic Ministry School and came dangerously close to starting door to door witnessing when I finally woke up and left. Lloyd's channel is the best at demonstrating the huge bullet I dodged that could've ruined my life.
Agreed
You are being deceived by your human leaders. Wake up
Plus this dude makes money by all of us here can you seeeeee
If the new light is to become more and more clear then there is a problem with the absurd double generation which shames both reason and common sense.
you make changes to the generation at the time where it is impossible that it was correct .. that isnt new light that is a whoops.. same with the sealing of the anointed in 1935 .. you make that change when there are new GB to appoint because they are all dying !!!
So, if "new light" is needed to correct the "new light" you had yesterday, which at the time you claimed came from God, then, are you saying God gave you 'bad' light? Why would God do that? And if the Bible doesn't change, why do you have to keep updating the "truth"? When something is true, it is true and that's the end of it. The reasonable conclusion, therefore, is that Jehovah's Witnesses neither received any light from God nor have the Truth.
Exactly I never understood the NEW LIGHT either. How many times can there be a NEW LIGHT the truth isn’t suppose to change.
You summed it up perfectly...it takes 2 seconds to dismantle this entire cult indoctrination...
I wish I could like this twice. 👍🏻👍🏻
And keep your eye on their competition. We may not see it in the short run, but they are all famous for their shifting doctrines and dogma. "It is all true today and with out error - today under our better understanding today, and forget about all those earlier faithful who sacrificed all their work and earthly goods and their lives in sacrifice as martyrs." Oh, yeah, that is not sensible.
Nor do they have the unchanging Word of God.
They use ever changing NWT.
I'm a writer,, if I have to work that hard to make something fit, I am on the wrong path. Time to rethink the plot line.
Yummy 😋 remind me of Oliver hi there how are you doing 😁
Another MASTERPIECE Lloyd!! Your logic is totally undeniable! I tell you, if there are active or mentally in JWs watching your videos that don’t wake up or at least begin their critical thinking process they are either too brainwashed or they just don’t care
Life as a Jehovah's witnes is like in "The Truman Show" wait till you find out, all isn't what it seems🤔
New light=new b.s.
"New light" cancels out old bullshit.
Could be something to do with the Redress Scheme, gotta cover their asses.
Probably this could be the case. But, anyways, all must have to do with money, in order to avoid future problems. Two witnesses rule must have been reviewed with some cherry pick "new light" from scriptures (those with 2k years old!)
The wrath of God will be up on Wt org 😫
Jah wasn't directing them then and neither is He directing them now.
@@benjaminfalzon4622 Yep they are the enemy of Christ and out to destroy Christianity. Freemasons and WT. WT have over the years caused so much confusion and harm to people. They have damaged Christianity by claiming " they are" Christianity when in fact they are part of Satan's system that they go on about so much.
Jah doesn’t direct anything, because he is nonexistent.
@@benjaminfalzon4622 Demons, Gods, they are all the same to me, nothing but fairy tales, but that does sound interesting. 🤔
@@benjaminfalzon4622 magic is make-believe, there is always a scientific explanation for everything.....
Garrett Losche says they are imperfect and “still roving about” so I searched for that phrase. It’s in Job 2:2. They are Satan’s words.
Ooooo, really?! I'm gonna look it up! ❤
🤔🧐😳
Looked it up you're right.
Wjat broadcast did he say this in?
They used to use that as a quote for Satan, but I guess G.L. feels this way personally.
I believe Christ said not to listen to those who said the Christ is here...or the Christ is here...which has never been true and will never be true. Quit listening to these false prophets!
This subject used to be my favorite on jwfacts, for me it's one of the weakest pillars holding the GB framework, am happy Lloyd is doing the video version, I can't wait...
What ever you do never tell them you had figured out the ‘new light’ before the octopope did. I may cost you your family and “friends”when you are accused of either running ahead of the org or thinking you know more that the gov body.
Or worse: you think by yourself.
Haha octopope
What’s messed up is when JWs get stuff wrong they make excuses via “New Light” versus when other religions are wrong they judge by the “if it’s just 10% wrong it’s 100% misleading” metric.
Watchtower loves the ‘rules for thee not for me’ reasonings.
exactly. i am at awe how some people still fall for all of their bs
Ex-JW's think they walked away from the God of the Bible, but they actually walked away from the 'god' of the world.
"if you give it any thought....."
That's the problem you are not supposed to!
Well put together and logically presented....thank you Lloyd
“But the path of the righteous is like a light switching on and off, his understanding flip-flopping between positions as required to support the needs of the Governing Body of his day.”
Lloyd cannot spell . He said 'New Light'. It is spelt 'Lies'.
Indeed!!
Lol!!!
Sorry Lloyd Evans but YOU FORGOT the most important thing! The new "light" from Jehovah of 2019 says that the locusts are the Babylonian armies and NOT Jehovah's Witnesses. The problem with this interpretation is that it was already given in Matthew Poole's famous Biblical Commentary on Joel in 1685 and in Matthew Henry's 1706, both of which are available online! So the scholars of "Satan's world" already knew 400 years ago what they only discovered in 2019. Isn't that strange?
I know the answer to this. When I had similar questions/observations I was told that Satan leaves bits of truth scattered in his lies. That is the proverbial bait in the trap.
Now that I think about it, not reading the bible in context, whether that is the surounding scriptures, the individual book, or the history of that book it's culture supposed writers, is the reason this religion is so messed up or even exists to begin with.
When I remember that there founder's, CT Russell, way of coming to the "truth" was to look up every scripture on a topic compare them and decide what they thought it ment.
This video made me realize that is there whole problem. It was when I decided to actually read the bible in order and context and cross reference it with itself not WT literature that my doubts really solidified.
Jeffrey Jackson talks about how you wouldn’t shoot a dog in the middle of the night for barking as a potential warning for danger. My father, an elder and “upstanding” member of the congregation shot our family dog in the middle of the night once because it wouldn’t stop barking. Completely unhinged, abusive and full of anger is the elder that I grew up with. Real nice organization that promotes abuse of children by the hands of their parents by not sparing the rod and emotional blackmail if you don’t conform to the way of their cult.
Thank you for all that you do Lloyd :)
Kirsten, I was married to a very abusive man. They would tell me" if he killed you"! Bla bla bla. They see one way even though the bible says there is no room in marriage or raising children for abuse. But they are true hippocrates.
Took them this long to look at the context.
Or more like God waited thousands of years to show them the context. Yeah that’s believable...
@Lloyd Evans, I like to ask JWs why their religion is always the last to receive new light.
They always speak on how Jehovah helps with their projects and even finances but he is not intervening on their doctrinal mistakes.
I take very serious issue with GB Jackson’s analogy about the dog. It very much dilutes the abusive nature of the indoctrination they dished out where many gave everything to follow it. And I do mean everything.
Sign the petition on change org to support Lloyd!
Maybe
JW Org + will be announced for only $6.99 a month. Of course the + might look too much like a cross. Perhaps JW extra, now with 30% more light.
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And the JW Lite version, but with nu-lite
A hip flask of Macallan for top tier patreons!
It might be worth it for Jade and Neeta season 1.
Watchtower is like a sign next to the road: ”Free coffee tomorrow!”
Sami - 🤣🤣🤣
Hahaha
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"And if we were to confine ourselves to just these three verses we could make a case for this explanation" david splane And that is exactly what they did when it suited their needs to do so!
Hi sister how are you doing
Having had a similar departure and awakening as Lloyd but in the late 80’s, and having been a zealous member for 25 years before that, I am impress by the revealing research and perfectly documented expose on this debunking subject. What it’s most hurtful to my heart is how this new readjustments about the judgment of the sheep and the goats reinforce their grip on the rational to judge and reject people now to keep the ranks disciplined and in morbid fear of being condemned if rejecting one of the arguable beliefs that any humane individual would have doubts about. Radical dividing ostracism, birthdays, blood practices, and many many more. Control, Control, Control. Despite all contradictions and failed predictions, inhumane mind control is sacred. Very tragic.
JWs say 'The light is getting brighter'
Well, think about this for a moment....
Imagine you went into a room and it was pitch black with no light in there.
There are chairs and a table, a chest of drawers, a coloured carpet, a lamp and a vase of flowers.
You know these things are in the room, but you can't see them.
Now, turn on a small light. You start to see the outline of the things there
As the light gets brighter, you start to see the details clearer.
But, as the light gets brighter, the items don't change. They just get clearer.
So, how does that work when the JWs say the light getting brighter CHANGES the original idea?
Brighter light simply shows what's there in a clearer way...not CHANGING the things that are there.
The whole idea of 'Brighter light' does not agree with the concept of ideas changing....it would just
make ideas clearer. When JWs flip-flop their beliefs under the illusion of 'brighter light',
it cannot be used, even as a metaphor.
Just sayin'
The Bible doesn’t change and nor has it for the last 2000 years. But yet the amount of changes the organization has made in the last 100 years saying it’s from God and that the Bible says something different contrary to the current beliefs
Nice to ear Geoffrey Jackson comparing them as barking dogs. It remembered me the words of Revelation 22:15 "outside are the dogs...". Geoffrey described the faithful slave so well!
My thought is:
So Jehovah has to SLOWLY reveal his scripture to humans?
Why?
Humans aren’t stupid, they can handle these teachings.
If it’s really the truth, then everything should’ve been taught the same way this whole time!
Looks like he is slow to comprehend and fast to punish. Like a man putting salt on a snail to watch it slowly die.
This has always been my opinion too. Why was it done slowly? Truth is the same it doesn’t vary and none of it was so shocking we couldn’t handle it. The only reason left is that they had it wrong the first time and “new light” is a handy excuse to change their minds without looking incompetent.
@@karendobias555
And; How many times can Watchtower "Get It Wrong(Inaccurate Truth)", before They "Get It Right"(Complete and Undisputable Truth)?🤔
It's been over 100 years of "Changing The Light Bulb"(Changing Doctrines and Expectations From The Governing Body Towards The Rank and File).
When will The Indoctrinated, Micromanaged,Fantasy-Chasers realize that what Watchtower is Spewing and Demanding of The Followers, Not Healthy for Themselves or Accurate Information or Reality Based Living?
Will it take 150 yrs? 175 yrs? 500 yrs?
How many lives need to be sacrificed, for a Narcissistic and Mysogynistic Lie?
Already too many have been.
It has to stop. The Lies and Manipulation and Wasted Existences needs to end.
(Rant Over. Sorry. Thanks for letting me vent.)
@@sparklecanada0112 haven’t they also said if it 10% right, it’s 100% wrong?
God Never changes he is the same today yesterday and forever..
When you think about it, it seems the governing body prefers blaming God by saying it’s him that give (or didn’t give) knowledge in time, rather than admit they made a mistake themselves. They transfer all the responsibility on God. Not only it’s a lack of humility but it’s also an indication that they don’t actually care about knowledge if they just don’t believe it’s worth pursuing, and that it's something that will just be “bestowed” upon them miraculously and without any efforts.
Brilliant explanation Ben 182 . I’m writing this down for future reference and use, as your comment is excellent. I might use it in a letter to the governing body, if I need to reference you let me know.
You may not shoot the guard dog, but you wouldn’t trust it.
I am a slack JW ( of 30+ yrs)and still am, and for many years, i for similar reasons Lloyd gives, I concluded years ago, that the GB really had NO idea about the bible prophecy.
This video has me in tears. How can I find these men? I’d pay top dollar to slap the sh!t out of these governing body members. My heart man my heart is breaking. This organized ruined my family.
Warwick New York ;)
Lloyd , don't let them take down the channel . You're doing a great job of waking people up to get out of the wicked cult . You even taught me stuff , and I'm not a Witness . Keep going ! Fight if you have to , say no .
Thank you so much for this video. I think I have had a break through with this. It is amazing how long I did not think for myself and when I do it seems so clear that this is MANMADE! I am grateful for the work you do and I know the price you pay for this , and I am sorry they turn family on us, but THANK YOU for doing this regardless of the personal cost.!!! You are doing GREAT Work.
You are so welcome!
This takes me back to when Moses was leading the Isrealites out of Egypt. For some reason I can remember my father bringing up that everytime their was this “New Light”
Hi sister how are you doing
Only these 8 men can interpret the bible ...
Absolute blasphemy
Best comment ever!
That’s what doesn’t make any sense. If one of them dies then they replace that member with a new one who all of sudden is an interpreter of the holy scriptures? Stupidly at it’s finest.
@@BlkIzButta Not so stupid when you consider that millions of idiots believe them and they profit from them!
8..morons
At 20:20 I reply to the “watchdog” analogy.
No. I wouldn’t shoot the watchdog for his continual barking.
However, like the boy who cried wolf, you just tend to ignore him after several misdeeds.
Over exaggerating with the “shooting” aspect, as usual 🙄
🤔 What happened to the old light?
Better question....'How much time, money, effort and family collateral damage will the New light cost?'.
Answer: Face psalm.... I mean face palm.
It’s like it used to be ok to smoke and celebrate Christmas.
Well when Jesus said “they will know you are my followers because you are no part of the world”
So, whatever the word does, JW’s shouldn’t do it.
And it should’ve been that way the whole time.
The same thing as we can own slaves and then the bible says love your neighbor as you love yourself.
The History of the JWs shifted each time a new Director was installed. It's odd that people would stay after the shifting of theology on an almost annual basis or when they got caught in error and than changed policy. It is obvious the Watchtower were constantly covering their hind quarters by each new directive
Hi sister how are you doing 🙏
It was hard during my waking up to listen to their gymnastic reasoning. They were changing so fast, I hadn’t even memorized the new light that was now new light.
KEEP STRONG LLOYD. WHERE CAN WE MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO YOUR CHANNEL SO YOU DONT GET SHUT DOWN?
Clear and concise debunking as always 👌🏼 eagerly looking forward to your updated 587/607 video!
A girl i used to be friends with popped up on my instagram and i feel so sad that she is still so in and so believing. I know she will probably never be out because her whole family is the model family everyone looks up at. I just really miss her and keep trying to understand how can they really not see anything wrong with the teachings.
They're just winging it all the time.
Absolutely true. I keep thinking about the recent update on the 'locusts' and the 'we read it in context' rationale for the update. Or, more tellingly, the 'overlapping generation' teaching which has to be the most absurd bit of theology ever presented. And it exists for the sole reason that the timeline from 1914 has, itself, reached a use-by date from which they can no longer tenably hold to it as 'truth.'
But, keep believing and hoping 'even if it makes no senser from a human standpoint.'
Not only does god purportedly give his servants bad information before giving them “good” information according to the new light teaching, he actually replaces bad information with different bad information before the “good”information makes it to them.
I am reminded here of the Watchtower article that started to wake me up. It used the example of a sail boat tacking in the wind, going first one way and then the other to get to the desired location. Reading this made me think why would God reveal things in such a haphazard way.
I love this haircut, Lloyd. Oh and, of course, I love all of the content of the information you put out there. Much thanks and appreciation for you. :)
Some of the last words in the bible warn people not to add to or subtract from the bible, else Jesus will not write their name in the Book of Life.
How do they justify adding/subtracting from the bible?!
I'm an ex JW of 15 years, I left around 2015. I love this channel so much. ❤
I hope everyone has a good day ^-^
As the scripture says, "Ignorance goes before saying dumb schizz."
I was not expecting baby Lloyd on a post-apocalyptic movie set. Great video, btw!!! Thank you for your work!
Hi sister how are you doing 🙏
the part that saddens me is the wonderful people i knew in my congregation who have no clue as to how bad this cult is, but, i can see how they are stuck in there. It amazes me that the crazy 8 have not been taken to court, maybe they will after the rank and file drink the cool aid. EDIT, love the work you and so many others do but i cant watch anymore, its like watching a train wreck in slomo....its so sad, I knew many young ones ( 10 to 20 something ) in my congregation , their lives F++ked by their family etc...its criminal
I had no idea what you or they were talking about in regards to The Locusts. I was born into the religion, and was a fervent POMI until I was 30, yet I still never had a firm grasp on the prophecies. It's not as if I never tried to get to know the "The Truth", but nothing besides the colourful story telling and the sense of community and brotherhood really reached me; in fact, a sense of purpose was the only real reason I got baptised. Although I did (and still do) consider myself to have a close bond w/ "Jehovah"). The rest sounded like a big, thirty year yawn of the same thing over and over again, with no real answers in sight.
It wasn't until I took a job as a flight attendant that I finally saw the world for what it really was... which was actually exactly like I expected, not that scary. Life is tough but colourful. It is what you make it. You quickly find out that religion is not the answer to Existentialism, in fact, it's nothing but a hinderance to free thought; and therefore, truth.
It didn't take much for my house of cards to crumble, and some JWs would argue that it's because I was never firmly planted in "The Truth", or didn't actually put the work in to develop a relationship with God. That's what hurts so much... that even though I got baptised rather young, in line with what I was advised to do by those I was supposed to trust, I was shunned and essentially typecast for the rest of my life because I chose to be honest with myself and stand up for what I believe in; which wasn't in line with them. If I only I had known then & there what I know now, I wouldn't have gone ahead to try and appease myself with the religion by spending years trying to get reinstated. Once I did, though, nothing changed. I had moved to the other side of the world already, but no one had ever checked on me; even out of pity. Nobody has ever come to visit me, or has ever reached out to me.
I'm into my 30's now, and all I can really say is that I'm happy to have made it this far, and I've seen some amazing things, but I was robbed of developing a real life in my twenties because I was essentially made to believe I was "crazy." Even as a child, I never actually believed in any of it, I just went along with it because the fear of Armageddon was so deeply instilled in me that when battling it out in my mind, Armageddon always won; to the point it gave me nightmares. I can remember two distinct nightmares, to this day. They both involved me sitting up in bed in the middle of the night, looking out the window, and seeing enormous, bright white asteroids reminiscent of jellyfish (or something alien) barreling towards Earth on a starry night. It was desperate and horrifying, the feeling of imminent death... and that's what you grow up with.
Regardless of all the decisions I've made based on that fear mongering, I'm still considered a black sheep. My family are still fervent, and I'm still full of scars, but I can't reveal anything because I'll have nothing left. All I ever tried to do was get back to where I was from, but they had already forgotten me. No one ever checked on me.
I knew a regular pioneer who would visit a brothel in the afternoon then be at the meeting that very same evening 'counselling' his fellow JW's on whatever was the flavor of the month lol He eventually went on to be a missionary somewhere.
I actually thought you had misspelled bethel there for a moment!
Shocking! I went to a strip club with one in the middle of the afternoon for “steak” 😂
Haha. He went from one missionary position to another!
@@scotchtowerbrandytequillas8748 Hahahaha!
1914 was a big part of watchtower teaching. The hours and hours of meeting and study articles pounding into pur heads. Now it just "oh well over zealous" oh well were just barking dogs.
Cheryl Lakin I know when days are turning into weeks, and weeks turning into months and then years. It was getting very old and after awhile you get sick of hearing it. I feel so sorry for people that have spent their entire life living this lie.
I can say to the governing body “what’s up dawg?” Bow wow, yipiyo yipiyey. 🐶
Thanks, now I am singing the hook with 🎼Je Ho VaH Goooooood🎶🎶 in place of 🎼Snoop Doggy Dogg 🎶🎶
Watchtower always recycles old light, laundering it through time just to bring it back again at a time when few if any could realize what Watchtower’s done.
Let me get David Splaines pointing stick and whiteboard out, draw a diagram for you and explain our new concept of overlapping lights. It will make sense, and when it does, you may applaud.
😂😂😂You may applaud
I appreciate your channel. Back when I was in they twisted my thinking to sadly, not see any other way or view. People need a space to think and see clearly with out pressure.
Thanks Lloyd. Another VERY informative video.
Of added interest John 16:13 says that the spirit will guide Christians into ALL the truth. Receiving half truths or outright lies for decades or centuries is not what the Bible teaches.
Lloyd's 'New Light' video about new light 🤣 No wonder, it's hard to keep up with JW theology- more 'blinking' than progressive light! Keep up the good fight, @Lloydevans
It's their version of a christmas tree.
I remember studying the proclaimers book and that’s when I first started having doubts it just didn’t make sense followed by further doubts with all this so called new light, old light and continually changing their minds. So glad I’m fully awake, it was along process for me but speed up with the help from Lloyd Evans, thank you very much for all your hard work bringing true light on this organisation
Enjoy this video very much Lloyd. Loved the excellent reasoning on 2 Thessalonians.
I'm a 3rd gen. Witness I've been out since I was 18 I'm 24 but I've always had a tie to my heart for the truth. But I've questioned more and more and realizing not everything was true. But I always thought it was the closest one that something was different about jehovah's witnesses. But one thing I never looked at was where the money goes I always thought for sure it was donations. But one day i finally got the courage to research it i read articles but came across your video and learned about the big tobacco stocks and the suing the government for money and the pedophilia. But another thing I found when I found your videos was the ex jw community and it's not horrible and evil like I was taught I thought I was alone or just by myself when it came to other witnesses questioning.
You are a 3rd generation JW. So how could you honestly know JWs were closest to the truth? The only knowledge you'd have of other Christian beliefs is filtered through what the JW publications claim about them.
My parents converted to JWs. My father was a Methodist by birth, my mother Baptist. Yet neither of them really had any idea what those denominations teach. They had not studied them in any sort of depth before converting to JW. So they just parrots what the Watchtower claims.
I'll give you a challenge. Don't even worry about exJW "apostates". Go look at what leading Biblical scholars say.
If you want to know what beliefs are held, toss aside the JW tinted glasses and see what they actually say. Find out why they have different beliefs than JWs not filtered through what the Watchtower claims as to why.
Here on TH-cam, go over to the Bible Project channel. Or search for videos from Old Testament scholars like John Walton, Tremper Longman, New Testament scholar NT Wright.
Or check out New Testament scholar Con Campbell's brilliant In Pursuit of Peter and In Pursuit of Paul documentaries on the Our Daily Bread channel.
William Lane Craig has a ton of indepth videos of various doctrines, including the Trinity on his drcraigvideos channel.
You will find a whole world of scholars who have dedicated their lives to studying the Bible out of love for God. And unlike the Governing Body, these men can actually read the Biblical texts in their original languages.
What fascinates me here is that the sheep and goats adjustment is based SOLELY on the analysis of an illustration. As in, the ILLUSTRATION is used as the basis for the change. No scriptural justification is made to support it.
Just that the illustration they just came up with governs how they should interpret the prophecy!
In revelations it says to flee from false prophets, I am happy I have distanced myself from them.
What exactly are they saying the new light is? This has always been difficult for me
Exactly why I'm in the comment section!
When I was a JW, changes in the official GB positions on things, was officially explained away by them , as being compared to a yacht tacking but still overall moving forward !!
As I was watching Geoffrey Jackson, I couldn't help but be reminded of Dr. Bunsen Honeydew from the Muppets
Great job Lloyd. I felt EXACTLY the same way as you, that this is a man made organization back in 1980. After 1975 failure, I began to study WT past doctrines and used the exact same example you used here. I am looking forward to your explanation of your current spiritual condition.
If the home owner asked the guard dog why it was barking at nothing, the dog would say, I wasn't barking, you imagined it. And then it would bare its teeth and dare the owner to argue the point.
Very true. It's a very evil dog indeed
I remember the song " Bright is the light Shining ever brighter from Proverbs 4 : 14-18"
Thank you Lloyd
Where would we be without you, Lloyd?💯💯💯
I'd get rid of that stupid dog if woke me up too many times.
Well said. And that is exactly what so many JWs are doing.
How much more important would it be to deal with the watch dog that bites your children and neighbors?
New light also made me finally open my eyes and stop feeling guilty about walking away from the cult. It makes no sense. It's not increasing, but rather intermittent. Stuff like the blood question, they keep moving the goalpost. Now it's okay to take fractions, then it wasn't, tomorrow it's a personal decision. Too bad that somebody might die because of following the doctrine to the letter. Or get disfellowshipped because not following it. So what about those people? Which light was the correct one now? And who bears the fault for making bad doctrine and ruining lives? The JW religion is just yet another man made and deeply flawed religion, based on utter nonsense such as numerology, and the backwards ideas of some old farts on a publishing companies' board of executives.
The people who run the organization are aware that they can control mental unstable people with the content they place, and that is a big responsibility and there is no justification if the manipulation is harmful.
And in my opinion, there is no manipulation that is not harmful, every kind of manipulation does not lead to spirituality or mental / emotional maturity. For such damage, liability will have to be borne.
I wish I could explain this so eloquently to those witnesses who insist on trying to get me back! I can't remember and don't make sense.
Hi sister how are you doing 🙏
The Story of Samson shows how he came at the end of his life to a "new Light" understanding and the enemies of God were defeated. Samson went off track but God successfully completed his Plan through him.
I’m not sure how many children were affected, but in the 70s, 80s... our local JW attitude was that worldly school would not be completed and Armageddon would arrive before I’d get to 20, then 30 and education and University was not to be pursued or you were following worldly pursuits.
I graduated from high school, in 1994. That wasn't supposed to happen since that is 80 years past 1914, and when I was a kid, the teaching was that the generation who witnessed the events of 1914 had to be old enough to understand them, so about 10 years old in 1914. They gave themselves some leeway as that was just a guess on how old they had to be by 1914.
In 1981 the UN declared that for their 40th anniversary 1986 would be the International Year of Peace. JWs jumped on that as possibly fulfilling 1 Thessalonians 5:3.
My mom said that I won't graduate from school before Armageddon. It was in 1994 and as a 14 yo kid I was scared to death. I thought that I will not survive and I'm not deserve to live.
@@alexandervankevich4937 Ditto but my mother told me that in 1974…that was when Armageddon was going to arrive in 1975. Like you I thought I wasn’t righteous enough to get through Armageddon. All that crap completely ruined several years of my life.
Here is what Charles Taze Russell says;
WT February 1881 page 7
"If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now: But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New light" never extinguishes older "light," but adds to it. If you were lighting up a building containing seven gas jets you would not extinguish one every time you lighted another, but would add one light to another and they would be in harmony and thus give increase of light: So is it with the light of truth; the true increase is by adding to, not by substituting one for another."
Synopsis
......any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author.
A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth........ "New light" never extinguishes older "light" really?
What do JW's really believe?
Hi sister how are you doing 🙏🙏
Thanks Lloyd your videos helped me feel less crazy!!!
Keep up the excellent work, Lloyd. This world is a better place because of it.
The more the GB talk, the more they are backing themselves into a corner. All of this flip flopping now, in the age of the internet, is clearly taking its toll.
Broadcasting themselves was not a brilliant idea. Thankfully, they decided it was