Mr. Pete, please understand that many of us will never have a chance to see the inner workings of your toys. For us who stood amazed watch craftsmen turn blocks of metal into useful iteams and wounded how they do that, seeing you take apart a machine and explain how they work is a true treat. Please continue at your own pace being mindful of your health and safety. Thank you!
Our lives are inundated within&without under immense detail.This means extraordinary attention to detail is required in explanation of any mechanical phenomena.No apology needed just the logic of fact!
Wow, my Grandpa had a Greeves Horizontal mill when I was a little kid, spent many hours watching him make some pretty neat stuff so I have a leaning towards Horizontal mills. Love the channel.
Sir, following both the CLAUSING Milling and K & T Milling Machines being restored. Sir, what a delight to watch it come back to life of perfection. So thankful for the awesome video to watch, but it is the pains you take in making it back to life. There work you do is certainly is the Love for Machines involving such an amount of labour for the Job. Sir, your pain is our delight. Wish I could have assisted you. Best Wishes to you from New Delhi, India.
Your level of detail works fine for me. So many little things to demonstrate - these parts are heavier than people think and surfaces more sensitive to damage than is usual around the house. What to hammer on and what not to hammer on. Very interesting.
mrpete You did an OUTSTANDING job cleaning the horizontal mill it looks AWESOME as I have said before I've been a subscriber for a long time and have seen your numbers grow -you should be very proud to know that you have a You Tube "FAMILY" that cares so much about you & your family (myself included) as Always Thank You & Two Thumbs Up Sir!!
Brings back memories of serving my apprenticeship at Avon Machine and Tool in the late 1960's. Every year production was shut down and all machines were taken apart, cleaned and scraped. Getting caught blowing off the machine with air meant termination.
I'm enjoying this series Mr. Pete. I have an 8541 (single phase version) of this machine. I suppose I'm a "semi perfectionist" too and I did a total disassembly, clean, and paint on mine. Let me know if you need the manual for it. Looking forward to hearing yours run.
Pretty interesting, it is good to demonstrate the disassembly as most hobbyists will put this off until they are desperate to get it done. This shows it can be a relaxing educational process with the opportunity to upgrade the condition of the machine. Well done Lyle!
@@mrpete222 I don't think I would have in your case either. That little mill you got is not in bad shape. Mine of course has some issues and was filthy. I enjoy all the work to be honest. Helps me to understand the machine better. 👍 Thanks again Lyle
Other people probably watch these mill videos for the same reason I do. That thing is just as cute as a little speckled pup. It makes a guy happy just to look at it. I can't even imagine how much unadulterated FUN you'll have making chips and a little cutting oil smoke.
MR PETE YOU KNOW and i know you are not going to stop at takeing the table ans saddle off lol. you are too much of a perfectionist to stop at that point. really enjoying the teardown and maintenence of the new mill. in 10 years from now you will be glad you did this to your machine.
Great video Mr. Pete. I have a Clausing 8520vertical milling macine which appears to share the table/saddle/knee with your machine. I took off the saddle to install a DRO and I recall it being a fussy job but well worth the time to get 40 years of chips and dried oil out of there. It's been a while, but I think I recall there being a pair of bearings at each end of the lead screw. Worth checking your parts diagram before you order them and reassemble everything.
Mr. Pete for as long as we can remember, you have always talked about the evil air gun as you share taking the Clausing table end off to discover well more chips that did not just grow there on their own. Our thoughts, just strip the whole machine and rebuild her, we love watching total rebuilds, but we are not the ones doing the work here, you thankfully are and you share you work/videos well.
Lyle, keep it coming! As a teacher it's nice to think that this offhandedly demonstrates some of the extra work that goes on all the time once the kiddos are gone. Most folks don't have an idea about all the extra work it takes to keep tools working, and I'm sure that you've many hours and days under your hat keeping the equipment going for the students. Jim
As a retired Army NCO now teaching at-risk students, I'd like to thank you Mr. Pete for being one of the 'do the hard right instead of the easy wrong' men of America... and keeping that alive by making your content. Kind regards to you, sir!
Mr. Pete, Thank you for spending so much time to explain all the different aspects of the Clausen. Even though I'm a woodworker, I find your videos pretty interesting. Ray Valley, Eustis, FL
Pete, That overhead arm brace is really useful at times, but as where to mount it, you must mount it down below the saddle on the knee itself. I think you were headed in the right direction at first but then seemed to think that the table side T slot was the place to mount it. Somebody put the table lock in the wrong place which would interfere with the brace when mounted on the knee. It looks to me like the far left gib bolt should be for the table lock. Moving the table lock to the left gib bolt position should fix the problem with mounting the brace to the knee. Of course, mounting it to the table would not permit any table movement in X or Y. But even when mounted correctly to the knee, still there is no vertical Z movement permitted unless you loosen the slide bolt at the top first. Hope this helps. Ray
Thanks for showing all this. I'm sure it's a dirty job, but you will reap the rewards every time your turn the crank and the table moves smoothly without all that gunk and gum. You have inspired me to remove the table on a mill I just got, that is also not great, but almost good enough to just use. A good cleaning does wonders for old iron.
Nice job so far Mr Pete. I’m just about done doing a partial rebuild of my Millrite vertical mill. The power down feed system was shot. I had to replace all the bearings and fix the bearing fits on one of the shafts. I also removed the table, saddle, and knee. Once I started taking things apart, I just didn’t know when to stop. Unless you see it for yourself, it’s hard to imagine all the places those chips can end up!
Looking great Mr. Pete! Never too much detail, it's fun to go along for the ride! When I was shopping for a mill I had found and almost got a Van Norman #12 for a pretty good price. A cool mill as it's both a vertical and horizontal mill. But I found a J-head Bridgeport and had to have it. Had the funds and room been available I'd have gotten both.
I know, but the Mrs. just wouldn't understand a piece of heavy machinery in the corner of the bedroom. Just because you and I love the smell of 90w in the morning doesn't mean everyone does. I just can't understand why not though....
@11:23. the vertical support can not be mounted to the x axis table slot as you point out. I believe your first thought, was correct, straddling the Y-axis handle. Otherwise, you would never be able to move the table, and therefore the part, to make your cuts ;)
Agree that Scotchbrite is a fantastic product. I don't think that Gunk is as effective as it used to be though (I think some of the "essence" has been removed or scaled back in recent years). Great job, Mr. Pete, as always.
That's why I always look for old solvents, etc at estate sales; they are older formulations that actually work. Often I get unused or almost full cans for free because nobody wants to buy the stuff and the family doesn't want to deal with proper disposal methods.
Always nice to use what you have in abundance! I wish I had 6 cans of engine cleaner right now. Isn't it amazing where swarf will wind up, from pressurized air cleaning.. Video makes a good reassembly memory. A vey interesting video. Hard to believe 30 minutes just passed. See you next time.
I myself like to use the chip brush instead but mostly because the air compressor on our shop has so large motor and/or our fuses are so small, it can not be used while the mill or lathe is in use also
Your mill has and interesting "face"! The eyes being the ends of the overhead bars. I need to get busy on my Ashland H / V mill. You continue to give me inspiration. Thank you for that... Fred
Mr. Pete: this sort of thing is right up my alley, thanks for doing it. Do you have any plans for doing the same thing on a Bridgeport table? There is some obvious transfer from the Clausing, but I would LOVE to see you do the same thing to a Bridgeport. Thanks, and keep these wonderful videos coming.
The " While we're at it" statement always takes over the reasonnable part of me, sometimes, I should say, almost every time it ends up costing 5 times more and quadrupling the expected time to complete any project.... The up side of that, is that the finished project is always better than expected... Some kinda pride involved in there... ;)
Nice work. Just an fyi... there are supposed to be 4 of the pucks on the front of the table, in the tee slot, to act as two limit stops and two adjustable work stops. Pretty simple to make if they didn't come with the machine. The two limit stops thread directly into the table, the two adjustable ones require a tee nut. Looking forward to next update. Thanks.
Please Lyle, anytime that time permits for you to show us detail on what you are doing, please do so. This is the only chance some of us will ever see the inter workings of some machines. For those who don't want to see details, and I know it's a lot of work to push that mouse button, can fast forward to the part they want. Thanks as always pal.
Good evening Mr. Pete I just unloaded a clausing model 8540 mill just like the one in your videos will be replaying to refresh my self before tear down. I have one question for you, the star wrench needed to un lock the two over arms is what size the manual speaks of a soc. set screw wrench, but the picture in the operating manual looks like a standard allen wrench, also in your video I see a allen wrench in the top of your machine. Thanks for all the great videos keep up the good work. Phil. o
Very interesting series. I have just been looking at what lathes.co.uk has to say about the machine - small point but that yoke evidently fixes to the two holes either side of the saddle side feed - I'm sure you would have remembered that or worked it out when actually trying to fit it. Quality machine, evidently. I don't mind the detail - think of it this way, if listening to you for 30 minutes was a burden, we probably wouldn't bother with 15 minutes either.
Excellent Video! Thanks! I have a Kearney & Trecker 2 CE 40 taper (unusual model)... this will help me with mine. BTW, NOT too much detail... trust your senses... SEMI??? Lookin' forward to the next video...
Starrett is great stuff. The 50225 square head from Zoro Tools is $75.00. Your friend made out well. Check out Purple Power for cleaning machinery. It is available from Walmart, Napa, Advance Auto Parts, etc. If you leave it on a painted surface, it will attack it. If used to clean and rinse right away, no problem. I used it to clean up an aluminum cylinder head on which I did a valve job. Alkaline based so if you get it on your skin, it feels like it will never wash off, slippery. It is NOT removing skin as some believe. Thanks for another informative video.
I have as well a horizontal mill with the 50 taper and 4.5kw motor. Don't think i will ever take the universal head off it to use the horizontal larger spindle, even though i have 2 arbor supports for it
Looks like cross slide play just because of the rotational torque you can apply testing for movement that way. Tightening up the gib Then testing the way you did will prove or disprove cross slide play. But you already knew that. I just wanted to be a “keyboard armchair coach” lol. Thanks for all your videos sir!
I take the gibs out when removing tables so all that "Hanging Pressure" when the table is at the end, does not happen. I do set up a support table or hoist to prevent hang as much as possible. I think you will need to remove the spindle in order to take knee off. Great time to install a one shot oiler now! I got a small vertical apart right now that has oilers like yours has, and I am going to install one shot. I have another mill with 40 taper, and on the end of tools, just like your 30 tooling, they have that extension. My mill is specified as 40 quick change, and I wonder if you have 30 quick change. I have only recently done a tiny amount of research into the various 40 tapers, and it does appear that some are not interchangeable. Advise you to investigate same for 30 taper, you do not want to damage socket with a 30 that seems to fit well, but is not exact same. I have just got access to my 40 taper mill, been behind a bunch or real heavy machines, some near 10,000 lbs, but just got rid of them all. They automatic forging presses, not what I need or want nowdays. Anxious to mess with the big mill again.
I think the nt and iso tapers are exactly same, and for bt you need a longer drawbar. But if the spindle is bt, you can't probably fit the iso and nt there
That support bolts to the knee not the table. The holes to either side of the dial I believe. You could always scrape in that gib. :-) You tube channel Unknown Apprentice has a whole series on doing a Bridgeport and its the same in theory.
mrpete222 Good series Mr. Pete. This Clausing mill is more the scale I would like for my shop. More so than a K&T. I'm enjoying what Steve Summers is doing with his K&T. This young guy is so jazzed doing what he's doing Rod
HINT: To increase dial readability for tired old eyes, I blacken the dials (gun bluing solution) and then fill the engraving with “white paint”. For the “paint” clear epoxy glue filled with titanium dioxide powder ($4-$5 Ebay) to make a thick paste works really well - and is so much easier to see. You just smear the paste on and wipe it off!
As an EE I strongly adivce the use of a VFD instead of the rotary convertor . You'll get somuch more out of your machine . Far better torque , soft start , braking , less conversion losses , motor can be reversed for tapping at the press of a button , and within acceptable limits you 'll be ablee to have speed control . Pat
What happened to the grandson? You need to get him down there to help with the brute force operations while you teach him finesse 😉 That's a beautiful machine. There might be chips where they ought not be, but the table and the sliding surfaces look gorgeous. If you need ER32 collets, check out Maritool. They make very nice ones in both true inch and metric sizes.
Mr. Pete, Don't worry about the length of the video, I find this very interesting. Does Clausing still have parts for this machine? I'd get a new screw and nut for the x axis if it is available.
I have Kearney and Trecker horizontals and they use the "style B" arbor support with the arm brace.. The "style A" for piloted arbors is used for lighter work and work which needs more room underneath the arbor support....Mike
There is a horrific video on TH-cam of a young man polishing a long shaft that snags his sleeve/ and drags him into the lathe...it states his left arm had to be amputated. I got shook when Mr Pete put that pad on at first glance, I know he knows what he is doing. So do I , but it only takes ONCE to be sorry. ROLL EM UP TO THE ELBOWS as it says in "How To Run A Lathe".
AWDJR {RETIRED} Every time I see someone running a machine with long sleeves on, jewelry, rings, or watches I cringe and hope they don’t get hurt. Where I work some guy was running a surface grinder and his wedding ring got caught on a bolt or something and it ripped his finger off and all his tendons up to his elbow and wrapped it around the spindle. Luckily I didn’t have to witness it.
A question mr Pete it’s about your extension lead is it safe to use when rolled up or not ,can it overheat there are so many differing comments on this ,what is the correct answer ????? Thanks for sharing 👍👍
My extension cord is a 12 gauge wire. The amperage draw at 2:20 volts is only about three or four. It doesn't heat up and doesn't even get warm. And it would not matter if it was coiled
they have nice selections of metric & SAE stuff, as well as the 30 taper collet holders. I was browsing through one night, and was rather surprised at what they do have.
A pillow in the garage...Randy Richards bunk house OR somebody has found out her blouse, toothbrush and other wares are or, have been used in the shop ? LOL
Nothing to apologize for in these long restoration videos. Many of them are speeded up and edited and you miss the thought process the restorer goes through. Hobby machinists who have never had one of those machines apart will wind up doing so soon enough when they buy one. Consider the work so many K&T mill owners go through!
coiled / roll / spring / C / slotted pins, I always knew them as roll pins for the coiled ones and C pins for the slotted ones: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_pin
You can imagine the damage a rotating hole would do to your finger if it only twists it a quarter turn. Machine tool accidents can be life-changing or fatal and are not given enough attention, IMHO.
Mr. Pete, please understand that many of us will never have a chance to see the inner workings of your toys. For us who stood amazed watch craftsmen turn blocks of metal into useful iteams and wounded how they do that, seeing you take apart a machine and explain how they work is a true treat. Please continue at your own pace being mindful of your health and safety. Thank you!
Thank you very much, I like the way you put that. And I will continue
Our lives are inundated within&without under immense detail.This means extraordinary attention to detail is required in explanation of any mechanical phenomena.No apology needed just the logic of fact!
You were right, a great deal of detail is needed to explain some things
Looking nicer and nicer. Again I am inspired by the generosity of the community. Good job, Doug.
Yes indeed
Wow, my Grandpa had a Greeves Horizontal mill when I was a little kid, spent many hours watching him make some pretty neat stuff so I have a leaning towards Horizontal mills. Love the channel.
Awesome
Sir, following both the CLAUSING Milling and K & T Milling Machines being restored. Sir, what a delight to watch it come back to life of perfection. So thankful for the awesome video to watch, but it is the pains you take in making it back to life. There work you do is certainly is the Love for Machines involving such an amount of labour for the Job. Sir, your pain is our delight. Wish I could have assisted you. Best Wishes to you from New Delhi, India.
Thank you very much for watching I'm glad you like the way I work on the machines
Your level of detail works fine for me. So many little things to demonstrate - these parts are heavier than people think and surfaces more sensitive to damage than is usual around the house. What to hammer on and what not to hammer on. Very interesting.
Thank you, I'm glad you liked it
FYI: You are not going into too much detail. Thank you for showing all of this.
Thanks
mrpete You did an OUTSTANDING job cleaning the horizontal mill it looks AWESOME as I have said before I've been a subscriber for a long time and have seen your numbers grow -you should be very proud to know that you have a You Tube "FAMILY" that cares so much about you & your family (myself included) as Always Thank You & Two Thumbs Up Sir!!
Thank you very much. Yes, the milling machine is coming along nicely. More videos to follow
Brings back memories of serving my apprenticeship at Avon Machine and Tool in the late 1960's. Every year production was shut down and all machines were taken apart, cleaned and scraped. Getting caught blowing off the machine with air meant termination.
Wow, I am surprised to hear that. But you can tell that that company care about their equipment
I'm enjoying this series Mr. Pete. I have an 8541 (single phase version) of this machine. I suppose I'm a "semi perfectionist" too and I did a total disassembly, clean, and paint on mine. Let me know if you need the manual for it. Looking forward to hearing yours run.
Thank you, I have the manual. Nice machines
Mr Pete thank you so much for posting this video. Fascinating to see one of these machines stripped down like this.
I'm glad you liked it
Pretty interesting, it is good to demonstrate the disassembly as most hobbyists will put this off until they are desperate to get it done. This shows it can be a relaxing educational process with the opportunity to upgrade the condition of the machine. Well done Lyle!
Yo, I'm glad you liked it
Excellent. Don't ever think it's too long or to detailed. It's always interesting and well presented even if off topic.
You very much
Wow, Lyle Thanks for the mention! Looking good👍
Teacher's called you up to the chalkboard. Everyone's looking at you ... no pressure.
subscribed because MRpete says so. grin
@@jcknives4162 Thanks man😃
It's a pretty simple job compared to what you're working on. 1/4 the wait and I'm just about done with the entire job. I did not remove the knee
@@mrpete222 I don't think I would have in your case either. That little mill you got is not in bad shape. Mine of course has some issues and was filthy. I enjoy all the work to be honest. Helps me to understand the machine better. 👍 Thanks again Lyle
Other people probably watch these mill videos for the same reason I do. That thing is just as cute as a little speckled pup. It makes a guy happy just to look at it. I can't even imagine how much unadulterated FUN you'll have making chips and a little cutting oil smoke.
Thank you, I like the way you put that
MR PETE YOU KNOW and i know you are not going to stop at takeing the table ans saddle off lol. you are too much of a perfectionist to stop at that point. really enjoying the teardown and maintenence of the new mill. in 10 years from now you will be glad you did this to your machine.
Sorry, the job is done. I did not remove the knee, I ran out of steam
Lyle, it’s good you have this little job, it keeps you out of the Go Go bars, thank you for the entertainment. Regards Frank.
lol
That is one well put together lady. Thanks for letting us see and appreciate the design.
_Dan_
Thanks
Great video Mr. Pete. I have a Clausing 8520vertical milling macine which appears to share the table/saddle/knee with your machine. I took off the saddle to install a DRO and I recall it being a fussy job but well worth the time to get 40 years of chips and dried oil out of there. It's been a while, but I think I recall there being a pair of bearings at each end of the lead screw. Worth checking your parts diagram before you order them and reassemble everything.
I already changed one of the bearings
Mr. Pete for as long as we can remember, you have always talked about the evil air gun as you share taking the Clausing table end off to discover well more chips that did not just grow there on their own. Our thoughts, just strip the whole machine and rebuild her, we love watching total rebuilds, but we are not the ones doing the work here, you thankfully are and you share you work/videos well.
Thank you for watching. The job is done and I did not remove the Knee
Good information on taking a machine apart for cleaning. Makes it seem much less daunting than I thought.
Thanks.
Thank you,. It's very easy, just takes a lot of time and is very messy
Lyle, keep it coming! As a teacher it's nice to think that this offhandedly demonstrates some of the extra work that goes on all the time once the kiddos are gone. Most folks don't have an idea about all the extra work it takes to keep tools working, and I'm sure that you've many hours and days under your hat keeping the equipment going for the students.
Jim
Teachers show great dedication, despite what some think.
You might find a moderate or two out there.... ;)
You can't imagine the amount of work that I did as far as maintenance goes. Countless hours at night when I should've been home with my family
As a retired Army NCO now teaching at-risk students, I'd like to thank you Mr. Pete for being one of the 'do the hard right instead of the easy wrong' men of America... and keeping that alive by making your content. Kind regards to you, sir!
We had a huge K&T, we called it, when I worked in the oil field. Used it to create the pockets in 26 in. down hole reamers. :)
That's a big machine
Mr. Pete,
Thank you for spending so much time to explain all the different aspects of the Clausen. Even though I'm a woodworker, I find your videos pretty interesting. Ray Valley, Eustis, FL
Clausing.
Thank you very much
Pete,
That overhead arm brace is really useful at times, but as where to mount it, you must mount it down below the saddle on the knee itself. I think you were headed in the right direction at first but then seemed to think that the table side T slot was the place to mount it. Somebody put the table lock in the wrong place which would interfere with the brace when mounted on the knee. It looks to me like the far left gib bolt should be for the table lock. Moving the table lock to the left gib bolt position should fix the problem with mounting the brace to the knee. Of course, mounting it to the table would not permit any table movement in X or Y. But even when mounted correctly to the knee, still there is no vertical Z movement permitted unless you loosen the slide bolt at the top first. Hope this helps.
Ray
Thank you, I corrected that in a later video that has not been released yet
Thanks for showing all this. I'm sure it's a dirty job, but you will reap the rewards every time your turn the crank and the table moves smoothly without all that gunk and gum. You have inspired me to remove the table on a mill I just got, that is also not great, but almost good enough to just use. A good cleaning does wonders for old iron.
Thank you for the support. Yes take that table off and clean out
Thanks for the details Mr. Pete. I enjoyed seeing the guts of that machine.
Thanks
Thanks for the video, you explained several things I had not seen in other videos.
Thank you, I'm glad I clarified things for you
Nice job so far Mr Pete. I’m just about done doing a partial rebuild of my Millrite vertical mill. The power down feed system was shot. I had to replace all the bearings and fix the bearing fits on one of the shafts. I also removed the table, saddle, and knee. Once I started taking things apart, I just didn’t know when to stop. Unless you see it for yourself, it’s hard to imagine all the places those chips can end up!
You are right, it's a real mess. I do not in town and to remove the knee
Looking great Mr. Pete! Never too much detail, it's fun to go along for the ride!
When I was shopping for a mill I had found and almost got a Van Norman #12 for a pretty good price. A cool mill as it's both a vertical and horizontal mill. But I found a J-head Bridgeport and had to have it.
Had the funds and room been available I'd have gotten both.
You will love the Bridgeport. You should have took a lone and bought the other one also
I know, but the Mrs. just wouldn't understand a piece of heavy machinery in the corner of the bedroom. Just because you and I love the smell of 90w in the morning doesn't mean everyone does. I just can't understand why not though....
Excellent series...Thank you Mr. Pete!
Thanks
Looking good. Sure needs the cleaning. It is going to be a great addition to your shop.
Thanks Randy
I just bought a beautiful horizontal milling attachment with the arbor and spacers for my Bridgeport mill!
That's awesome
@11:23. the vertical support can not be mounted to the x axis table slot as you point out. I believe your first thought, was correct, straddling the Y-axis handle. Otherwise, you would never be able to move the table, and therefore the part, to make your cuts ;)
You are right. I corrected that and the follow up video, which is as of yet un
published
Agree that Scotchbrite is a fantastic product. I don't think that Gunk is as effective as it used to be though (I think some of the "essence" has been removed or scaled back in recent years). Great job, Mr. Pete, as always.
The EPA probably force them to take out the most essential ingredient
That's why I always look for old solvents, etc at estate sales; they are older formulations that actually work. Often I get unused or almost full cans for free because nobody wants to buy the stuff and the family doesn't want to deal with proper disposal methods.
Always nice to use what you have in abundance! I wish I had 6 cans of engine cleaner right now. Isn't it amazing where swarf will wind up, from pressurized air cleaning.. Video makes a good reassembly memory. A vey interesting video. Hard to believe 30 minutes just passed. See you next time.
Thanks I'm glad you liked it. It sure was a mess
It is hard to even imagine how the air blow manages to move the chips under the table and even further inside the machine 😅
I myself like to use the chip brush instead but mostly because the air compressor on our shop has so large motor and/or our fuses are so small, it can not be used while the mill or lathe is in use also
very interesting-- there is no such thing as " too much detail" because we will surely benefit from your experience and perhaps avoid a grave error.
Oh yeah!!
Looking great. Thank You for posting this.
Jim
Yes thanks
I think it is a glib gib! Thanks Lyle
Yes
Your mill has and interesting "face"! The eyes being the ends of the overhead bars. I need to get busy on my Ashland H / V mill. You continue to give me inspiration. Thank you for that... Fred
Thanks, I never thought of it as a face
Speaking of wood racks, can you use melamine board and counterbore to allow the tool to rest on the melamine and seal the rest with shellac.
Good idea that would insulate it
Mr. Pete: this sort of thing is right up my alley, thanks for doing it. Do you have any plans for doing the same thing on a Bridgeport table? There is some obvious transfer from the Clausing, but I would LOVE to see you do the same thing to a Bridgeport. Thanks, and keep these wonderful videos coming.
I did that on the Bridgeport when I moved it into the basement
COOL!!!! Is there a video? Which one?
I just really like that little mill...
Thanks
The " While we're at it" statement always takes over the reasonnable part of me, sometimes, I should say, almost every time it ends up costing 5 times more and quadrupling the expected time to complete any project....
The up side of that, is that the finished project is always better than expected... Some kinda pride involved in there... ;)
👍👍👍yes
Coming along nicely. Thanks for the video.
Thanks
Nice work. Just an fyi... there are supposed to be 4 of the pucks on the front of the table, in the tee slot, to act as two limit stops and two adjustable work stops. Pretty simple to make if they didn't come with the machine. The two limit stops thread directly into the table, the two adjustable ones require a tee nut. Looking forward to next update. Thanks.
Thanks, I saw them shown in the parts list. I need to make some this winter
Big job. Looks pretty good.
Thanks
You were scaring me with those long sleeves and your left arm near the chuck.
Please Lyle, anytime that time permits for you to show us detail on what you are doing, please do so. This is the only chance some of us will ever see the inter workings of some machines. For those who don't want to see details, and I know it's a lot of work to push that mouse button, can fast forward to the part they want. Thanks as always pal.
Thank you very much. And I will forge a head with the details
nice video ; i have a K&T 1 1/2 special plane with a #10 brown&sharp taper from the 1920's.
Thank you, for watching. Boy that's an old milling machine but I bet it still a good one
works great mrpete222
Good evening Mr. Pete I just unloaded a clausing model 8540 mill just like the one in your videos will be replaying to refresh my self before tear down. I have one question for you, the star wrench needed to un lock the two over arms is what size the manual speaks of a soc. set screw wrench, but the picture in the operating manual looks like a standard allen wrench, also in your video I see a allen wrench in the top of your machine. Thanks for all the great videos keep up the good work. Phil. o
It's just a common Allen wrench
Very interesting series. I have just been looking at what lathes.co.uk has to say about the machine - small point but that yoke evidently fixes to the two holes either side of the saddle side feed - I'm sure you would have remembered that or worked it out when actually trying to fit it. Quality machine, evidently. I don't mind the detail - think of it this way, if listening to you for 30 minutes was a burden, we probably wouldn't bother with 15 minutes either.
Thanks for watching. I corrected myself and another video that has not yet been published
Excellent Video! Thanks! I have a Kearney & Trecker 2 CE 40 taper (unusual model)... this will help me with mine. BTW, NOT too much detail... trust your senses... SEMI??? Lookin' forward to the next video...
Thanks for watching, much more to come
Starrett is great stuff. The 50225 square head from Zoro Tools is $75.00. Your friend made out well. Check out Purple Power for cleaning machinery. It is available from Walmart, Napa, Advance Auto Parts, etc. If you leave it on a painted surface, it will attack it. If used to clean and rinse right away, no problem. I used it to clean up an aluminum cylinder head on which I did a valve job. Alkaline based so if you get it on your skin, it feels like it will never wash off, slippery. It is NOT removing skin as some believe. Thanks for another informative video.
Thank you, I need to get some of that. But too late for this job
I have as well a horizontal mill with the 50 taper and 4.5kw motor. Don't think i will ever take the universal head off it to use the horizontal larger spindle, even though i have 2 arbor supports for it
I am sure I will do a 98% of the work on my vertical Bridgeport
@@mrpete222 easy to say when you got more than 1 machine, i only got one of each, a lathe, mill, shaper and a t&c grinder...
The cradle, the knee - do it all!
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Mr Pete my unsolicited advice is to wait until Jordan is around before handling that heavy stuff. None of us are as young as we used to be.
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Looks like cross slide play just because of the rotational torque you can apply testing for movement that way. Tightening up the gib Then testing the way you did will prove or disprove cross slide play. But you already knew that. I just wanted to be a “keyboard armchair coach” lol. Thanks for all your videos sir!
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Ain't nothing wrong with a good machine clean up, it's often overdue and well deserved on these old lumps.
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I take the gibs out when removing tables so all that "Hanging Pressure" when the table is at the end, does not happen. I do set up a support table or hoist to prevent hang as much as possible. I think you will need to remove the spindle in order to take knee off. Great time to install a one shot oiler now! I got a small vertical apart right now that has oilers like yours has, and I am going to install one shot. I have another mill with 40 taper, and on the end of tools, just like your 30 tooling, they have that extension. My mill is specified as 40 quick change, and I wonder if you have 30 quick change. I have only recently done a tiny amount of research into the various 40 tapers, and it does appear that some are not interchangeable. Advise you to investigate same for 30 taper, you do not want to damage socket with a 30 that seems to fit well, but is not exact same. I have just got access to my 40 taper mill, been behind a bunch or real heavy machines, some near 10,000 lbs, but just got rid of them all. They automatic forging presses, not what I need or want nowdays. Anxious to mess with the big mill again.
I'm not sure about quickchange tooling for a number 30. I need compact tooling that does not steal the space on me
I think the nt and iso tapers are exactly same, and for bt you need a longer drawbar. But if the spindle is bt, you can't probably fit the iso and nt there
That support bolts to the knee not the table. The holes to either side of the dial I believe. You could always scrape in that gib. :-) You tube channel Unknown Apprentice has a whole series on doing a Bridgeport and its the same in theory.
your right thr table feed would stall the machine or rip it off if it was bolted to the table.
Thank you. I corrected that statement and another video that has not been published yet
mrpete222 Good series Mr. Pete. This Clausing mill is more the scale I would like for my shop. More so than a K&T. I'm enjoying what Steve Summers is doing with his K&T. This young guy is so jazzed doing what he's doing
Rod
HINT: To increase dial readability for tired old eyes, I blacken the dials (gun bluing solution) and then fill the engraving with “white paint”. For the “paint” clear epoxy glue filled with titanium dioxide powder ($4-$5 Ebay) to make a thick paste works really well - and is so much easier to see. You just smear the paste on and wipe it off!
Thank you, that's a good idea
Don't stop now, keep it going... :-)
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As an EE I strongly adivce the use of a VFD instead of the rotary convertor .
You'll get somuch more out of your machine .
Far better torque , soft start , braking , less conversion losses , motor can be reversed for tapping at the press of a button , and within acceptable limits you 'll be ablee to have speed control .
Pat
Thanks, but the job is done
Very Nice Thank You ! buying one tomorrow nicely tooled also + : Alec
What happened to the grandson? You need to get him down there to help with the brute force operations while you teach him finesse 😉
That's a beautiful machine. There might be chips where they ought not be, but the table and the sliding surfaces look gorgeous.
If you need ER32 collets, check out Maritool. They make very nice ones in both true inch and metric sizes.
Thank you, I will check them out
Mr. Pete,
Don't worry about the length of the video, I find this very interesting. Does Clausing still have parts for this machine? I'd get a new screw and nut for the x axis if it is available.
I'm not sure if they still supply parts. But it would be $500 for what you just mentioned if they did have it
The arm brace which attaches to the arbor support attaches to the knee somewhere ... The table must be free to move while taking heavy cuts...
Thanks, I corrected that in a follow up video that has not been published
I have Kearney and Trecker horizontals and they use the "style B" arbor support with the arm brace.. The "style A" for piloted arbors is used for lighter work and work which needs more room underneath the arbor support....Mike
Love the video. You should roll up your sleeves when on the lathe. Don’t want to get sucked into it.
There is a horrific video on TH-cam of a young man polishing a long shaft that snags his sleeve/ and drags him into the lathe...it states his left arm had to be amputated. I got shook when Mr Pete put that pad on at first glance, I know he knows what he is doing. So do I , but it only takes ONCE to be sorry. ROLL EM UP TO THE ELBOWS as it says in "How To Run A Lathe".
AWDJR {RETIRED} Every time I see someone running a machine with long sleeves on, jewelry, rings, or watches I cringe and hope they don’t get hurt. Where I work some guy was running a surface grinder and his wedding ring got caught on a bolt or something and it ripped his finger off and all his tendons up to his elbow and wrapped it around the spindle. Luckily I didn’t have to witness it.
my friend back in high school lost his finder on a lathe . he was cleaning it with a rag while it was running.
You are right, safety first. But sometimes I work in an unheated shop
mrpete222 Thats fine, what you do in your shop is your business. Ive just seen too many accidents happen and I don’t want something to happen to you.
Some of the ER32 collets from china are pretty good. Try your luck
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Thank you, I will check in with bang good
Wish I had you as shop teacher back in the 80s, my old teacher was a ass and would throw wrenches past students heads.
Wow, he should've been fired
Hi Very interesting. Maybe talk for a moment for us newbie's the advantages of a horizontal verses a vertical mill
Never thought of that. I will try to incorporate that in one of my videos. Each has its own advantages
11:47 no way. What good is it if you can't move the table?
I had corrected that in an upcoming video
A question mr Pete it’s about your extension lead is it safe to use when rolled up or not ,can it overheat there are so many differing comments on this ,what is the correct answer ????? Thanks for sharing 👍👍
My extension cord is a 12 gauge wire. The amperage draw at 2:20 volts is only about three or four. It doesn't heat up and doesn't even get warm. And it would not matter if it was coiled
I have an extra ER32 wrench if you want it!
Yes, I do very much. Can you get my address off of the video entitled back-to-school special? Thank you very very much
@@mrpete222 I will get it out tuesday
Thank you VERY much. The wrench arrived today in perf cond. And it fits the nut perfectly.
@@mrpete222 you are quite welcome and thank you for the great videos!
THANK YOU...for sharing.
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any plans to give the er32 collets from bang good a try? They seem to have a pile of tooling on there.
I might check to see what they have, as I can get them free
they have nice selections of metric & SAE stuff, as well as the 30 taper collet holders. I was browsing through one night, and was rather surprised at what they do have.
I think Tree mills use ZZ collets.
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Mr. Pete. Great video. Your comments are very gib, or should that be glib?
lol
good video.
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Awesome video. I know it's a lot of work, but I could have watched longer.
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put a piece of round bar under table when reassembling
Wait and watch the next part
Great video. thank you.
Thanks
nice machine
I think near the end Lyle was being a bit glib...
lol
Thanks for sharing sir..
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No-paint-Pete ;)
You got that right
Being a "Semi Perfectionist" does that mean you have perfected driving a Mack or a Freightliner?
A K whopper
A pillow in the garage...Randy Richards bunk house OR somebody has found out her blouse, toothbrush and other wares are or, have been used in the shop ? LOL
Yes, that's where I had Randy sleeping
Why not make a wrench for your new collet tool holder?
For $10 I'm not going to bother
mrpete222 on the other hand, you might make $10 from TH-cam making a video on how to make a collect wrench lol
Nothing to apologize for in these long restoration videos. Many of them are speeded up and edited and you miss the thought process the restorer goes through. Hobby machinists who have never had one of those machines apart will wind up doing so soon enough when they buy one. Consider the work so many K&T mill owners go through!
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coiled / roll / spring / C / slotted pins, I always knew them as roll pins for the coiled ones and C pins for the slotted ones:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_pin
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“Semi-perfectionist”? Ha ha ha... I’d say a professional perfectionist.
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You can imagine the damage a rotating hole would do to your finger if it only twists it a quarter turn. Machine tool accidents can be life-changing or fatal and are not given enough attention, IMHO.
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Don’t clean with air I see why now, thanks.
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We all understand... that SHMUTZ has to go!
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He's a game old codger .
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Please don't bolt the support to the table.
I corrected that in the following video that is unreleased
Take it off, take it off *waves a dollar bill*
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But did you really waste the money? I'd like to think not!
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