Homemade Jet Drive 2 Stoke Twin Cylinder
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Joining two 50cc pocket bike motors together to make a 100cc two stroke twin to power the homemade jet unit , made the expansion chambers off a measurements from this video • 2 stroke porting, part... . Follow on Facebook / dkthewelder
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Love it bro ive been following your channel for a while now and i think you and me need a chat soon as i need some of your jet building skills😜 will be doing something like this too soon🤟🏼
Thanks! I’m a big fan of your channel , I actually don’t really know what I’m doing with the jet units but think I’m on the right track. I am happy to help out any way I can 👍
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Colin furze would rate this for sure mate!
2 stroke stuffing would be interested as well
I think it’s bloody interesting!
Thanks 👍 I watch both those guys!
this video is total vodoo magic. The sound of these engines coupled together is like clockwork magic insanely good.
Haha it sounds pretty cool
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That's awesome those motors sounded sweet running together, the Colin Furze imitation was pretty good too especially the rooting the engine on the bench bit, spot on! 👍
Colin Furze impersonation just about killed me mate it was so bloody spot on! 🤣
Thanks I glad someone got a laugh out of it
Really like how this projects shaping up. Printing added another level to the awesomeness.
You did exactly what i was thinking about doing but i wasnt sure how to connect the both engines together.
This looks simple this way you can use the stock ignitions on both engines
Awesome video!
This is pure coolness. It sounds so good too!
Thanks Bruce
I love me a Colin Furzy Clone! You Rock Man! I look forward to your videos
Thanks! Colin furze is great haha
I rate this man, keen to see how it turns out. PLA or PETG are the best materials to 3D print with, ABS is more problematic.
You can turn up the ‘flow’ setting to get stronger/more waterproof prints, I would start with turning it to 104%
Ok thanks I think I will try that
@@DktheWelder late to the party, but drop retractions, too if you can - they can leave leaky pin holes.
As for PLA being "best", well if best = easiest, then yes. But not in terms of heat resistance or much else.
Some years ago i build something like this. Main trouble - synchronization of carburetors. I was weld Y shape collector with vibration damping inserts, and use one carburetor to supple fuel/air mixture to both engine.
That could be an idea, it is all very well running this on a bench but under load it could be a different story
@@DktheWelder Three upgrade i recommend for this setup. First as i say - Y shape intake. Second: use soft coupling between engines. When i was buildet my device i use very hard rubber disk with four holes as coupling element and two disk with two cylindrical fingers as input and output. And three - i use ball shape joint to connect exhaust pipes. Also very important right setting of pistons before connecting engines. One must be at top position another on bottom. First time i missed that. And when my device start - i got jumping crazy frog :)
What an idea very clever mate can't wait for more of this build
Thanks. I’m glad it works, building the board will be fun
@@DktheWelder will be a handful
My favourite kind of mad scientist!
Haha not much science, a lot of trial and error
This Is just awesome on so many levels, great work mate
They sound dope running together
Good work sir please do more she sounds like an old school plane 🫡🏴 god bless
Thanks 👍
Thank you for an interesting video. I think you can use a 2 pole switch and connect the 2 ground cables together and the engine side separated. Keep up the good work.
Brooo. Love it, please don’t make me wait a week to see part two
You might not know this but this IS part two. Check the video right before this for part 1
Sorry I work full time and have kids and stuff, hopefully next week or the week after
Fair enough bro. Love your content man. I tried the same engine set up 2 years ago behind a 89 wave runner (wr500) jet unit, it didn’t go so well as i used the really cheap units that come on the common Chinese kids bikes.
talk about a timely vid, i have just bought one of these motors to build a very small inflatable boat motor so seeing them run on your vid is a bonus.
Cool mini inflatable boat sounds fun
Where can I get my hands on some little motors like these? Which website?
@@davegibs4761 i got mine from ebay, £39.
Cool, good to see some more kiwi stuff on here.
You should forget the water jacket. It will leak. Just make a heat plate from sheet metal and add 12v blower fan on it. it will be fine! It is nice to see this coupling worked so nicely. 😀 You can even use this flywheel as a blower. Just need to build a casing.
Хорошая идея с водометом. Приятно смотреть на хорошую работу.
Aaaaaaaaand Subscribed! Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦🤘🤙
OK instead of the clutch on your motors even if you do clutch them there's something called a pop off valve that pop off valve allows you to shut the gate that goes over the end of the nozzle and then there's a mechanism maybe a servo in your case it allows you to go full throttle and then rapidly open that pop off valve For instant high RPM thrust they use it on drag boat applications if you're interested in that for any reason
I have seen those! Thanks I think I’m making enough power for it to be useful though
Always something new......
Would like to make a 4 cilinder with 2 engines in the front and 2 in the back the coupler file would really help for design proccesses
Always use the keyway. Don't rely on friction to keep it from slipping.
Watched all your videos absolutely great stuff I actually made a video and mentioned U I had a idea that you could possibly use if you didn't want to use the 3d printed park that connects to the flywheel
Cool thanks I will check out your videos some time👍
Your doing great bro, wish my skills were close to what you can do. O well that’s life so keep up the good work and well see ya next time see ya bye bro.
casting an impeller might be a good idea, PC-ABS worked fine for me, though, annealing it is key ! ;)
Abs works better for impeller? Does it print the same?
@@DktheWelder its a special ABS and Polycarbonate blend , its way easier to print , almost no warping and annealing the print at 150 °C is the way to get a real solid and sturdy print, you could probably print a blade for milling wood , using this stuff
@@DktheWelder ABS might work as well, but I don't like printing ABS...
make the engine mount more rigid, it may seem strong but its flexing like crazy and you cant see it. It will be way worse when there is a load as well. Best is either to make a top plate or use a thicker engine mount plate or steel
Ok I think you are right I will make an aluminium plate for the top need it more ridged
i dont know a lot about welding but ... i feel like weling a jacked will be kinda hard ... especially since its usally kinda hard to weld to motors like that ... so what if you take copper tubing which just fits inbetween the cooling fins and just kinda bend it around there have the water going though that... really cool projekt really looking forward to it
I did think about the copper pipe thing but I reckon I can weld a jacket on the cylinder. But I might wrap some copper pipe around the exhaust to try cool it down a bit
I partially designed a jet drive using a chainsaw engine with the intention to stick it on a board but never got around to making it. So this really floats my boat. I always was unsure what size chainsaw I would need with the size of impeller. Keep up the tinkering!
Chainsaw motors are pretty powerful I think you need at least 6-7 hp to get up , I have a big stihl chainsaw I but on a surface drive on my channel which was fast. Maybe an 80mm impeller would be enough? I hope you get to making it!
Hi Daniel,
I have a couple of things I need to ask you about.
How can I get in touch, I am not a social media person. My sons may be able to help if needed.
Table 1 (14 year oldest son) is in the middle of a longtail project and we just found your channel.
We are in Tasmania and love our Kiwi cousins, you sir are building some truly gnarly stuff.
Cheers Matt, Cooper and Arlo
You can message me on Facebook is easiest. Or message on here if you like
Awesome Daniel, gracias amigo.
your pipe would work better if you set the temperature above 500c, i have 700c running temp on my pipe and it works like a charm and keeps a uniform shape also its 0.75mm thick
At the 8:00 minute mark, the powerplant sounds like a 1 liter race bike engine.
That's pretty damn cool. Yeah the motorbikes In America which is love to have this setup. And boy if you could just figure it out some more some of the motorcycles here might want one of these as well, I mean at least it sounds better than some of them I've heard. okay. Okay peace
Thanks it does sound cool , not much power unfortunately 👍
awesome mate loved the colin montage those little donks will rip goodonya bro cheers
I hope so! If the expansion chambers are right it should do
Great little pipes you made there Daniel. You're better than Furze, he's just got more subs....
Thanks! I have to make a flying machine to be better than Furze haha
Dude it sounds awesome! I did this too with exact similar engines 😄👍🏼 but I put them in a boxer engine formation and conjoined them with a timingbelt from a vw polo. Kept both clutch bells and with only one common chain powering a sprocket in the middle 😁 its in my channel "steampunk ratbike" if you wanna check it out!
Man that sounds awesome! I will check that out for sure
You make really cool videos! Pretty crazy engine setup
@@DktheWelder thanks!! Good luck with this project 🤘🏼
That,s the! 2* 50 CC nice!.
Loved the video! So cool! Where did you get these motors? PS. I thought I saw you using a raft when 3D printing, and if so, I would highly recommend a glass bed with hairspray. It is magic it works so well
you need a Double Pole Single Throw (DPST) switch, normally used to switch both + and - off but you can hook each engine kill wire up separately
ok I will try find one thanks
those have to be performance engines
Judging by the size of commercial jetski drives I'd say your jetdrive is wa-ay too big for those puny engines! The size is is like for those with 100hp motors and your engines are what, about 3hp each? Other than that it is very nice project and nicely done job! Keep it coming!
It is way too big haha. But my thinking is it is more efficient when big and I can just keep changing the impeller till I get it right
@@DktheWelder what's the HP on a single engine? 5?
Very entertaining thanks mate
Couldn't help but laugh at 8.35 when you tried to stop it running 1 engine at a time...😂
Haha I had to leave that in , it was a struggle to turn them off
Nice idea, but you could also try a 100 oder 125cc Gokart engine around 30-35HP 👍🏻
Interesting project, the Colin furze part was great 😂. The expansion chambers look nice, it will be interesting to see the power increase, I've just gone through the same myself but I used all Aluminium and went through the AuMechanic's calculations, as you say it's a mission making two chambers. Subscribed to your channel, nice work and videos. 👍👍
7:39 colin furze hype montage?? Subbed hahaha
Haha yes ! And thanks
Instead of a water jacket. You may wanna consider just wrapping the heads /jugs with copper pipe
Another person said that , I did think of that but didn’t think it would be enough, plus I have already cut half the cooling fins off and welded the jacket on one cylinder hope it works you will have to see in the next video 👍
Hello 👋 I'm writing to you from Germany and I also intend to do something like this. Could you please provide the dimensions of this plastic adapter that connects two engines? Have a nice day Bro 👊
You sound a bit like a Kiwi brother? Those motors sound pretty mad, wrap them expansion chambers with some fireproof material to quiet them up a bit? Nozzle in grey looks pretty savvy! I like your experiment mate. might have to sub this one to keep up with the progress.
I was looking at these for a jetboard as well. I figured there wasn't enough power & assumed cooling would be an issue. Been trying to find water cooled RC plane engine... but the one company that did make it actually designed the first jet board engine, and I think jetaurf somehow copied it and had it made by a cheque company that helped design KTM engines. So the engine is not sold openly
I would say the expansion chambers r probably not the most efficient just by judging that the outlet is basically same as the inlet. Not saying that there isn't any resonate happing, but.... Back pressure n all...
Both engines will overheat under load, but the one without cover will do it faster.
He said he was going to water cool them . It will be fine
It was crazy the temperature was different on them after that short run
If you had the engines firing 180° out of sync, you should be able to "Y" the two exhaust pipes together and use the velocity of the exhaust from one engine to provide a low pressure vacuum to the other cylinder's exhaust effectively pulling the exhaust out...but that might pull too much out. Some of your air/fuel mix might go with the exhaust fumes, especially at higher rpm's. Then there would be the vibration issue. A twin firing 180° out of sync...you'd need a good vibration dampening device to keep the two motors from shaking themselves apart, particularly at the coupling.
I would like to do the two into one exhaust but I’m sure I would have to recalculate the shape?
full video please
I don’t have the designs but have you thought about doing a Thailand long tail sled boat?
I have had a longtail boat they are cool it was more of a swamp boat. Those Thai boats are awesome!
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Awesome, I have never even seen one in real life.
Do you think it could be converted to jet drive?
PLA does dissolve when in contact with with gasoline, just a warning about that T piece. This whole thing is badass
I was hoping to print a fuel tank but I don’t think that is going to work 👍
@@DktheWelder look into PETG, it prints easy like pla and could be used for a gas tank. I've used PLA as motor mounts on a go-kart and they lasted a long time but showed signs of dissolving. So that's the only thing I'm basing my evidence on, you could print a test gas tank or drop a piece of a print in some gas and see how it fares. Good luck!
Can you tell us where you got the motors from? I’m looking for one to put in a 7.5’ RC Boat.
I got them off trademe a New Zealand site, but they would be on eBay I’m sure just a pocket bike motor
@@DktheWelder awesome. Thank you!!!
Can you send me some plans for the 3d printing so i can copy, want to stick 2 in a monkey bike with a jackshaft
Alright. This is fucking awesome
Gotta back purge that SSTL brother to prevent 'sugaring', and splitting open later on.
Great video..a bit late now but I've seen people make different complex items such as expansion chambers , muffler and even pulse jets using flat sheets welded together at the edges 100% then a pressure washer quick connector attached to it and basically inflate the 2d shape to 3d using water pressure rather quick and easy..depending on the shape some people add an extra area to be cut off later for the pressure washer connector..the water under pressure really makes smooth wrinkle free forms..
Hydro forming it’s very cool I have actually tried it before! It’s difficult not to get any creases and curves get distorted it’s ok for bigger stuff but I would mess it up I think
HHAHAHA You've created a monster !!! :)
the second engine are you going to put a piece of metal in place of the shroud just wondering i would think it might heat up
love your videos man!
How many horses do they make?
I’m not sure . They are supposed to be high performance, maybe 4-5hp each they sound powerful haha
this is a bit of a late reply but will you be releasing the files for that engine coupler anywhere?
Impressive setup. They are going to scream pushing a board along at a great rate of knots.
weld a piece of rod to the middle of your sheet. put in the lath, use a parting off tool to cut the hole.
I wouldn't bother with a clutch. I've never seen a jet drive with one.
I have question: in video [2.08 ] you marked the position of the piston #1 and #2 "one all the way up and one all the way down position" why is that? Would you please be so kind to explain to me? , Thank already give you Thump UP and Subscribed
I just wanted them to run opposed so it would run smoother
@@DktheWelder ok, THK
the colin furze kinda over due it a little bit haha or you used a chainsaw instead 😂
There's tons of videos demonstrating how 3D printed stuff fails under load. And now leaks.Oh well. Experience is the best teacher. Subbing. :)
It isn’t the strongest way of making stuff but is good for some stuff
@@DktheWelder Definitely. I like the way Rocket Lab 3D prints their rockets. ;)
Didn't they have any big pencils left at Costco?
Try put that pencil behind your 👂, sounds cool
Loved the video killer all hail the mighty furze 👌👌👌
Synching those carb will go a long way to tuning that correctly.
Can you make an inline 4 engine with 4 ,80cc motorized bike engines and put it into a fame and ride it? And show us the top speed
Yeah I would do that if I had a sponsor for it, there are lots of things I want to build but I have too think about the cost and time involved and how popular the video would be
@@DktheWelder hope to see it on TH-cam made by someone
I'm not much of a motor guy. I can't understand how hard coupling the two engines and not syncing the pistons is working in the long run. Aren't the two engines forcing each other and causing a lot of vibrations and early destruction?
Could do. I could run them synced but opposed is easy to start . I like the plastic adapter taking some of the shock out will have to see how it holds up and hoping there is enough power
@@DktheWelder keep us posted. Syncing the two would be an interesting video 😉
You willing to make and sell a little kit to link motors together?
Great content, have subscribed.
They sound efin awesome, Alan Milliard would be impressed.
Haha Allen Millard would have done a way better job!
Did you think of making the cylinders opposed, instead of inline?
It should dampen vibrations, somewhat, since the pistons motions are *almost* (hence: somewhat) exactly opposite.
Maybe setup in a boxer setup would be best I think it would help with vibration
With the engines timed @ 180 degrees apart like you're trying to do you only thus need a single expansion chamber and a 2 into 1 header pipe, that is just something which may help you with space for your project? They actually run up to a 3 cylinder engine on a single exhaust expansion pipe, being one cylinder is using it at a time, it's not as perfectly efficient as a individual expansion pipe, but it's definitely usable for a 2 cylinder engine. Hope it works out for ya, good luck mate.
Yeah I see snow mobile motors are like that I didn’t want to try it though in case I messed it up somehow. Thanks for that maybe something I could try in the future
What's the deal with that giant pencil I want one of those
You got a round pump casing with your turbine inside. Straightening vanes. How about square inlet to your jet. Just like Tornado or Concord aircraft. Water and air just fluids and it wont need stream straightening vanes, which in the flow are just drag.
The inlet can be square , my last one was . The straightening vanes or flow corrector just stops the jet stream spinning as it exits making it more efficient. There are a few good videos explaining this, also they need to be there to hold the bearing in the centre
This is a challenge I would like to accept.
Not sure how I haven't stumbled across your videos until now, but you're balls deep into the kind of hare-brained nonsense I love.
On a more serious note, the cylinders on those 2 engines you're using there probably have "boost ports" machined into the cylinder wall. These ports are a gimmick that the manufacturers are adding, and do nothing for performance as they are only 2mm deep. They do however cause severely accelerated piston wear because of the tiny amount of contact area left for the piston to run on. Replace them with the one piece cylinders and get the non-window pistons. Tune nice and rich and the one piece top ends will last waaaayyyy longer than they should. Wicked build!
Thays pretty cool. Sounds sweet.
You said "now is the cool part". Are you kidding? I'm a new sub, and so far everything I've seen is the cool part!
These motors are made with cranks that are pressed together and held by friction . Combining two motors together will surely couse crank slippage and major bottom end malfunctions. Will not work or will not work for long unless both cranks sre either taken out and welded to be solid cranks . 5 peices are pressed together to make one crand they are not welded together so these press fited parts can and will slip .
Seems like themselves motors don’t have enough power to slip the cranks haha. I could just weld them together but was just so disappointed with the power from them
What can you do with electric motor????
i modded a handful of these mitsu clones and would love a drive adapter to pair a few together, i have 3 modified with porting, electric start, and tuned pipes, my last prototype had a stuffed crank and pulse lines to run a weedwhacker style pulse carb, great for only idle and full wot!
great video and impressive fab skills, i subbed!
Can you publish the 3d files? Ive been waiting for a good solution to this, have a self made bike with one of these and prototyped with a 2 cylinder
I think better if using one big carburator
to run both trottle tgether it already exist double cable throttle grip or from two stroke where ther is one cable for the carb. and one for the oil pump. Can you a DIY kit for assembling a twin engine ?
Yeah I actually had one of those cables but it wasn’t long enough. I will make a kit if enough people ask for it
How about a link for the motors...
Can you make an inline 4 engine with 4 chainsaw engines
Could be done . Need 4 chainsaws haha