... came over to have a laugh at this after watching a jaw-dropping video featuring Tammy Faye Bakker. I can see where Ms. Deen got her makeup tips from.
Yes, it's largely a PC issue, the concern being that political correctness can be used irrationally to destroy people. This is what makes the N word perfectly unique. Here's why: it is unreasonable for a word to be considered heinous and vile if one person says it in a neutral context, yet if that word is spoken by another person in a context of venom and animosity, it's OK solely because of a difference in physical traits between the two people saying it.
Paula Deen isn't the best example, as her problems go further than a single use of the word. From a freedom of speech perspective, the problem is that use of a single word regardless of context, a word which is not considered a swear word, can now be used to personally destroy the person who says it. It's not about the right to use it. It's about not being free to use it even in a third-party, non-confrontational, analytical manner.
This is absolutely ridiculous and really offensive. I mean Saran wrap isn't perfect but it serves a useful purpose in the kitchen. I'd like to see how long your leftovers would last without it, Bill. You're totally out of line!
No, it's more like a cat. Her family enjoyed having them around but they'd get angry and hit them with a broom if they tried to sit on their nice couch.
Paula Deen said that the slaves were like part of the family. Since slaves were primarily regarded as property and not people, does this mean that according to her logic - she's related to her coffee pot?
This is what freedom of speech is, it's not a protection from criticism it's a right to present what you wish and respond to what you want as well. You don't see the iron on your position here? You think the "speech" coming out of the not asshole camp to be unacceptable.
You wouldn't have offended them. They would have taken offense at what you said. The reason I know this is that if I'd been sitting in a pew across the aisle from you when you stood up and said that, I would have laughed my ass off.
Are you aware that that is the most overused excuse ever? We are going round in circles about this. Of course there are equally bad words and you must know a few that have nothing to do with race that would get people fired. I will even go out on a limb here to say that other words can be more damaging to the persons carrier than a racist word like the N word.
No, when you are a screenwriter and smarts are your only wares and you run in circles that include Ron Howard, Robin Williams, Tom Hanks and Spielberg you frequently use the word "fart." They like it. The word has been very good to me. But it won't work for anyone like you who bags groceries. Cheers.
If it's such a bad word, why should anyone be allowed to use it without reproach? To say that some people can use it as often as they wish and that others can never say it, even in a news context without animosity reporting on its use by others in a particular news story, solely because of the color of the utterer's skin, is a silly game. Can anyone name another word that's treated this way? Here's a better idea: the world would be a better place if everyone stopped using it.
I was perfectly honest. You've introduced a straw man here. The contentiousness of the use of this word has nothing to do with the familiarity between the people using it. It has to do with entitlement of use based on ethnicity that has been created by a culture of out-of-control political correctness. Even though I suggested that nobody should use this word, the fact that it is now accepted that only certain people can use this word, regardless of context, means freedom of speech is over.
Of course you have a right to use it, you have a right to go around calling expecting parents the most horrible things imaginable. If a private company feels it is not in it's interest to keep an obviously racist partner(cause it goes deeper than just the n word) then what is the problem? This is the social mechanism, she has a right to use it but people have a right o call her out on it too and even fire her if that's what they think is best. What is the problem?
"... you and other advocates of "lets use all the vile slurs at will" What the hell are you talking about? I'm the one who said in my ORIGINAL comment, "Here's a better idea: the world would be a better place if everyone stopped using it." If you can't keep track of the stance someone's taking on a subject of discussion, it's probably best to stop typing.
The 'c word' word is a relative newcomer to the games. I think a good part of its offensiveness comes from the way it sounds. It doesn't appear that anyone has laid claim to it as their own yet, as in "I can say it but you can't." It's too much to ask that all women claim it. It might be a good word for (female) feminists to adopt in this manner though. We could all sit back and watch them refer to each other as such. I'm not sure if that would advance or hinder the cause though.
You've gone completely off the rails now. It's not about history, social classes, racial differences or perceived inequality. It's simply about the use of these words by anyone. And the following question explains why. Can you explain why it is socially acceptable for a gay person to use the "F word" or for an African American to use the "N word" if these words have been deemed to be hideously nasty and I take offense when I hear these people using these words amongst themselves?
That is not true, I responded to what you where saying and most rational people would agree with me. Now we have left the realm of the N word being unique and we are onto gay slurs right? Your initial thought was to assign blame to the minorities for being offended by something offensive, yes of course you would if you are not a minority. A true intellectual would investigate the psychological phenomenon of why nearly all groups that are classified as minorities, especially if there is active
And this the "N Word" is unique nonsense is just that, utter nonsense, the F word is not socially acceptable either unless it's being uttered by a gay person. See a pattern her? For whatever reason they seem to have a much stronger sting when used in a bad way by others. It looks like human nature when in a minority and not something 'UNIQUE TO BLACK PEOPLE'. I would not expect you understand you have no idea the impact of both those words, must be very nice buddy.
Even with this fake injection of intellectual superiority from your part which some find appealing due to their own sub-conscious sadistic pleasures, you went on to say the n word love playing the victim. You blanketed everyone that you consider in that group and is that something that warrants respect or even make you seem authentic?
Look, believe it or not we basically agree but your problem is with your opinion not being shared by everyone not freedom of speech. Freedom of speech does not entail people having to agree with you. Lol! Your problem is with society and society has just as much right to exercise their freedom of speech to condemn your what you where free to say. It's ironic, you it almost seems like you are advocating her freedom speech over other peoples. Think for a minute buddy.
Yes! I have had more trouble with Saran Wrap than I can say.
... came over to have a laugh at this after watching a jaw-dropping video featuring Tammy Faye Bakker.
I can see where Ms. Deen got her makeup tips from.
Agreed. Well said.
Yay! Reinforcements! Thank you.
Poor Paula Deen! The last time I saw that much makeup on someone they were lying in a coffin.
Paula is a bad ass with IRON PAN
Yes, it's largely a PC issue, the concern being that political correctness can be used irrationally to destroy people. This is what makes the N word perfectly unique. Here's why: it is unreasonable for a word to be considered heinous and vile if one person says it in a neutral context, yet if that word is spoken by another person in a context of venom and animosity, it's OK solely because of a difference in physical traits between the two people saying it.
First one : what about Quentin Tarantino movies.?
Paula Deen isn't the best example, as her problems go further than a single use of the word.
From a freedom of speech perspective, the problem is that use of a single word regardless of context, a word which is not considered a swear word, can now be used to personally destroy the person who says it. It's not about the right to use it. It's about not being free to use it even in a third-party, non-confrontational, analytical manner.
Nice one .
This is absolutely ridiculous and really offensive. I mean Saran wrap isn't perfect but it serves a useful purpose in the kitchen. I'd like to see how long your leftovers would last without it, Bill. You're totally out of line!
i can't breathe
*****
Touche.
Bill Maher is turning into Andy Rooney with that last bit.
Well, we must remember that taking offense is a reflexive action: it's something you do to yourself.
right on.
I love that about the saran wrap.
No, it's more like a cat. Her family enjoyed having them around but they'd get angry and hit them with a broom if they tried to sit on their nice couch.
The trick is to do the wrapping before you tear it off.
TOO FUNNY!!
Walmart makes a great cling wrap - professional grade or something on the box. But, it works, sticks like crazy.
If she said something about his race he would not be saying the same thing.
Poor Saran Wrap. It really isn't THAT bad. It also sticks better than 3rd-rate plastic wraps. Bill should cut it some slack.
Paula Deen said that the slaves were like part of the family. Since slaves were primarily regarded as property and not people, does this mean that according to her logic - she's related to her coffee pot?
nope, full grown man. I was just pointing out another word that people get so offended hearing
I wonder if they would pray for me after I was thrown out?
Well he already got fired for less...
This is what freedom of speech is, it's not a protection from criticism it's a right to present what you wish and respond to what you want as well. You don't see the iron on your position here? You think the "speech" coming out of the not asshole camp to be unacceptable.
*disgrace that its accepted...
You wouldn't have offended them. They would have taken offense at what you said. The reason I know this is that if I'd been sitting in a pew across the aisle from you when you stood up and said that, I would have laughed my ass off.
And to searan wraps...
Are you aware that that is the most overused excuse ever? We are going round in circles about this. Of course there are equally bad words and you must know a few that have nothing to do with race that would get people fired. I will even go out on a limb here to say that other words can be more damaging to the persons carrier than a racist word like the N word.
Murder suicide pact...lol...
No, when you are a screenwriter and smarts are your only wares and you run in circles that include Ron Howard, Robin Williams, Tom Hanks and Spielberg you frequently use the word "fart." They like it. The word has been very good to me. But it won't work for anyone like you who bags groceries. Cheers.
If it's such a bad word, why should anyone be allowed to use it without reproach? To say that some people can use it as often as they wish and that others can never say it, even in a news context without animosity reporting on its use by others in a particular news story, solely because of the color of the utterer's skin, is a silly game. Can anyone name another word that's treated this way?
Here's a better idea: the world would be a better place if everyone stopped using it.
I was perfectly honest. You've introduced a straw man here. The contentiousness of the use of this word has nothing to do with the familiarity between the people using it. It has to do with entitlement of use based on ethnicity that has been created by a culture of out-of-control political correctness.
Even though I suggested that nobody should use this word, the fact that it is now accepted that only certain people can use this word, regardless of context, means freedom of speech is over.
dass my wrap
Lol nvm.
Of course you have a right to use it, you have a right to go around calling expecting parents the most horrible things imaginable. If a private company feels it is not in it's interest to keep an obviously racist partner(cause it goes deeper than just the n word) then what is the problem? This is the social mechanism, she has a right to use it but people have a right o call her out on it too and even fire her if that's what they think is best. What is the problem?
bingo.
Indeed i am...so what?... and what's your point?
As per the new rules, you better be a woman, otherwise your use of that word is highly offensive and should probably cost you dearly.
"... you and other advocates of "lets use all the vile slurs at will"
What the hell are you talking about? I'm the one who said in my ORIGINAL comment, "Here's a better idea: the world would be a better place if everyone stopped using it."
If you can't keep track of the stance someone's taking on a subject of discussion, it's probably best to stop typing.
The 'c word' word is a relative newcomer to the games. I think a good part of its offensiveness comes from the way it sounds. It doesn't appear that anyone has laid claim to it as their own yet, as in "I can say it but you can't." It's too much to ask that all women claim it. It might be a good word for (female) feminists to adopt in this manner though. We could all sit back and watch them refer to each other as such. I'm not sure if that would advance or hinder the cause though.
Nigga means "this" in chinese.
Ummglick? You're ranting again.
You've gone completely off the rails now. It's not about history, social classes, racial differences or perceived inequality. It's simply about the use of these words by anyone. And the following question explains why.
Can you explain why it is socially acceptable for a gay person to use the "F word" or for an African American to use the "N word" if these words have been deemed to be hideously nasty and I take offense when I hear these people using these words amongst themselves?
That is not true, I responded to what you where saying and most rational people would agree with me. Now we have left the realm of the N word being unique and we are onto gay slurs right? Your initial thought was to assign blame to the minorities for being offended by something offensive, yes of course you would if you are not a minority. A true intellectual would investigate the psychological phenomenon of why nearly all groups that are classified as minorities, especially if there is active
This woman lives in different time zone. She is out of touch with reality.
You forgot to mention intelligent people wouldn't use those words.
And this the "N Word" is unique nonsense is just that, utter nonsense, the F word is not socially acceptable either unless it's being uttered by a gay person. See a pattern her? For whatever reason they seem to have a much stronger sting when used in a bad way by others. It looks like human nature when in a minority and not something 'UNIQUE TO BLACK PEOPLE'. I would not expect you understand you have no idea the impact of both those words, must be very nice buddy.
Even with this fake injection of intellectual superiority from your part which some find appealing due to their own sub-conscious sadistic pleasures, you went on to say the n word love playing the victim. You blanketed everyone that you consider in that group and is that something that warrants respect or even make you seem authentic?
Look, believe it or not we basically agree but your problem is with your opinion not being shared by everyone not freedom of speech. Freedom of speech does not entail people having to agree with you. Lol! Your problem is with society and society has just as much right to exercise their freedom of speech to condemn your what you where free to say. It's ironic, you it almost seems like you are advocating her freedom speech over other peoples. Think for a minute buddy.