“JEWISH SUPREMACY” Israel-Palestine Debate with Gideon Levy, Destiny & Cenk Uygur
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- Eli Hassell hosts a debate about the war in Israel with journalist Gideon Levy, The Young Turks host Cenk Uygur and social media personality Steven Bonnell, otherwise known as Destiny.
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This wasn't a debate, why was'nt the moderator Piers Morgan-esque interrupting the side he doesn't like? Where was the yelling and personal insults?
We need to hear about Piers Morgan’s moral quandary 😂
All three are on the same side 😅
Don't forget Piers saying he's not a conservative like a million times per episode.
Pierce is a ratings hog
@@DanIsTheGreatest Eli didn't even ask whether it's fair to call Trump Hitler!
As a Palestinian, I hope there will be peace with Palestinians and Jewish people as well. The world would be a better place for humanity
palestinian here, it's hope. theirs no chance of peace where were going lmfao
Unfortunately radical muslim extremist never stop their agreesive attacks
@@ahmengtan6139 Same goes for radical extremists of the other side.
@micixduda when radical islamic extremist invaded, the other side they retaliate, this is their right.
@@micixduda we can accept that the radicle extremists are right about liberation without saying they’re right about wiping out Israel. You’re delusional if you believe otherwise
can you make cenk’s face bigger? thx
Thanks for the laugh, your comment caught me off guard with how blunt it is.
@ these debates are always “laugh or else i’ll cry” events
& Eli’s smaller?
He eats enough.....
But.... "unpossible"???
😂
Israel - France match 16,611 spectators watching the match in France in a 80,000 capacity stadium last Thursday. 4,000 security personnel. That's a protest!
Im israel home games there are maybe 2000 ppl.
We suck. Nobody wants to see us since forever
@@hiphopotal I'm sure the French wanted to support their team! Well done to the French fans for not attending!
@clodaghlennon2247
Why?
They can go and watch them train. It will be way more interesting
@@clodaghlennon2247 Exactly this.
True
Cenk just likes to hear himself talk
@@Redchoo he’s right
What else to do if the other person is full on supporting genocide? Destiny is insane.
@ brainwashed
@@AbdulSoomro-kj5lt I know I am
@@Redchoo no
People forget Sadat's speech to the Knesset. He said Israel would never have a lasting peace without justice for Palestinians.
so what if he said that?
him saying it means what?
@@eylonavy means Israel will forever have a mark on their heads. Always looking over their shoulders.
I'm neutral in all foreign countries and I tell you I don't understand why him saying they want Justice for Palestinians a bad thing or encouraging bad behavior , I feel like a lot of you guys are incapable of putting yourself in other ppl's shoes or reality and understand why things are the way they are and I completely understand being on your country's side full stop but how has that helped you because from where I see it your turning the world against you because of your actions , if what your saying its true then i would test it and show the world and the countries you need help from see that peace doesn't work after you try and "fail". We live in different times the public can see everything and information has never been this easily available so the right thing has to be done now if you want to stay in power or find better ways to lie to your civilians and the world other than that I don't see how else you win and not lose at the same time if you keep going this way but idk who am I? Nobody, just one of millions of us that can't I see what we keep seeing and stay quiet sorry.
@@jesusaaj”the world”. Almost like there’s 2 billion Muslims taught from a young age Jews are infidels and and it’s almost like they haven’t sent hundreds of millions of ppl to infiltrate the west so that now the west has a big faction, influenced by 2 billion Muslims, who are anti Israel.
As if none of that is happening ….
Palestinians have never condoned peace , between ANY neighbor including the Arab nations. 😊
Can someone explain to me how Eli only has 13K subs? His videos are excellent! Sub to him!
I thought the same thing. I just subbed
He supports zionists no sub from me
Yt algorithm, ie , sin - sore 🚢 ⚓️ 🛳 ship
Shadow banned, same like Norman Finkelstein
Especially with thumbnails like Pierce Morgan
The problem with Hamas and Hizbullah is that they both rely on the conflict with Isreal to survive within their own societies. Neither can survive peace with Isreal. They will, therefore, not only never negotiate peace (a ceasefire is not peace), continue to keep the conflict going. The Palestinians need leaders who believe in peace.
The problem with Israel is that they rely on the conflict with Hamas and Hizbullah to survive.
They will, therefore not only never negotiate to peace and continue to keep the conflict going
@th434 you'd have to understand at least 10% of reality to understand this conflict, so, you just keep denying the trror attack on 10/7 and parrot your lil echochamber, and leave serious convos to the adults, mmkay?
@@samantharutter7768Riiiight, because Israel paraglided over the border and rpd and slghtrd innocent families sleeping in their beds on 10/7. That's why Israel is fighting back.... they attacked themselves, huh? What absolute degeneracy
Hamas and Hezbollah emerged in response to Europeans conquering Arabia.
If Arabs were conquering Europe we can guarantee a similar response emerging from European societies.
I don’t know why this is hard for people. I mean, I do - jungle monkey group belonging instincts. But yeah this is straightforward stuff if we are honest with ourselves.
Again if Arabs violently displaced millions of Europeans and refused to let them return to their homes, no one would be confused about the evil and doomed nature of such a project.
The Palestinians need Israelis who believe in equality and peace
This is what a real host looks like Piers Morgan.
Piers is Ex BBC, he can't help but be a scum bag
I wish piers Morgan was in this video he’s like the Jerry springer of politics
I agree that he is the Jerry Springer of politics, but if this host was serious about politics, Cenk would not be here. You can't be serious and have him around
@@defconbrown8667ditto Destiny. How is he in anyway qualified? He’s just a kid motormouth off youtube. He has zero authority on the subject.
Bro, PM is a propaganda and hasbara tool of mega zionist Murdoch
I love Cenk prescribing his fanfiction scenarios that literally nobody would support
My favorite was the deal that other arabs think is okay but not palestinians or israelis. this is like if ukraine and russia couldn't find a deal and someone said "we have a deal, all the white people agree"
And he pretends that Israel attacks and occupies Gaza for no reason at all. They started the hostilities with terrorism.
His view is absolutely fact. In his mind. 😅
It’s clear what your least favorite ethnicity is
@@smokydave what deal is that?
The conquered land argument while defending the land belongs to Israel because of the Bible argument is crazy
@DeathB4Dishonor2300
It's not because of the bible. It's historically been proven that that is the Jewish homeland. The Ottoman Empire took it over by force. They didn't ask pretty please, and they certainly had no qualms about kicking every Jew out of the Middle East. If anyone on Earth owes the Jews a state, it's the fucking Arabs
You're kind of missing the point. Using the Bible as the historical and historically proven document that it is to verify the fact that Judea and Samaria were inhabited by Jews, on top of the fact that you could dig a 10 foot hole anywhere in Palestine and find coins with Hebrew writing on it, is a separate argument than "the Bible says the Jews have the land" Jews don't read the Bible anyways, they read the Torah.
It's wild to hear cenk of all people make references to the Armenian genocide. To say israel is role-playing, pretending that Palestine is ww2 Germany is such a flabbergasting thing to hear him say.
Cenk wrote his masters dissertation on the idea that the Armenian genocide was a myth. He has a debate about it with Chris Cuomo. He only accepted that it actually happened very recently
Especially after he named his org after the party that commited it.
Op is full of b.s.
Inviting genocide supporter Destiny to any talk about the genocide is plain moronic.
@@youknowmyname9915 I'm pretty sure he used to not think the Armenian genocide was real, he grew up in Turkey after all. He has later changed his mind on it though.
So it's not like he was thinking that he is naming his org after a genocidal party
It's the other side making those comparisons first and the most. They always say well in ww2 Britain did this.
When you host 2 vs 1 you should give equal time to both sides of the debate, you let the "pro Israeli" side speak only like 20% of the time
It was not one to one to me. Cenk and Destiny are hooligans. Gideon is based.
@@antoniotorcoli5740 based ? He's just a self-hating Israeli Jew who became so irrelevant in Israel in the last 20 years that he online community is his only tool, since they are the only ones who listen to his nonsense since he's useful for anti-Israeli propoganda.
It's Antisemitic right😂😂😂
honestly the POS destiny is not pro israel he is just using us. can't you see he is a retarded pro palestinian?
Why is Cenk arguing against slogans he himself voiced out, instead of arguing on the substance of what Destiny said?
That's his shtick. He always uses strawmen.
Bc he's radical. Deal with it.
Bots saying bot things ^
I don't agree with Destiny but I respect that he argues from facts as he himself sees and interprets them, and that he has his own nuanced position that doesn't feel algorithmically captured.
I dunno. He seems severely overmatched by Gideon Levy and Cenk. I don't know why anyone thinks he belongs in this debate.
@@jamesbellini3800 because no one else wants to defend the other position. Not even the perpetrators themselves
An honest, intellectual conversation. Take notes, Piers. Well done by the host too, let's support him!
Bless You Always Mr.Gideon Levy 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼💯💯💯
Cenk saying “Imperial Empire” several times made me chuckle
Why ? Didn't you study history ?
@anntahhan8930 because it's redundant, imperial literally means "relating to an empire". It's like saying "tall giant" or "regal king"
Moron take
@@anntahhan8930 i guess you don’t know what imperial means either haha
@Dymeroo why don't you enlighten me then . Go ahead .
30 minutes into this 1 hour debate and Destiny has said 7 complete sentences. It's literally just Cenk and Gideon circlejerking eachother saying the other is correct. If you're going to do a 2v1 debate you have to allow the 1 to have the same amount of air time as the 2
Destiny wasn’t trying. I wonder if he was told to back off and let Gideon talk, ie, he’s there for his name to be in thd title. Also this guy Gideon goes full traitor and supports sanctions against his own country, pretty hardcore.
Destiny ran circles around Cenk the first time. There is no point of him expending energy doing it again.
@@GuyUnderTheBridgebeing called traitor by a shill for Israel is a baseline for a decent human being.
@@hakanpetersson2662 You are the guys trying to defend rape, promote anti semetism. I think you are in no position to decide what a decent human is buddy. Far from it
Destiny is a motor mouth. He had the right amount of time.
eli always does a great job keeping a neutral position and asking good questions to further the discussion. good job
except at the beginning..."they didn't actually say no two state solution". Zionist through and through.
I am pro-Palestinian and I appreciate all the words from Cenk and Gideon but this felt more like a circlejerk between Cenk and Gideon rather than an actual debate. It would've been nice for Eli to step in when Cenk was derailing off topic and make Destiny argue and fight more with both.
Destiny brings absolutely nothing to this ’debate’
It seems destiny is uninterested, either since he believes the gap between the story each side tell is so big it's completely different realty or..he got bored of the subject.
But Destiny is kind of agreeing on the big picture that there has to be serious material outside pressure in order to have any kind of resolution.
These guys are making 100% total sense and I love it. Way better than them fighting and arguing because we know what's up.
@@bobbyd5167because he agrees with everything they are saying. That's a good thing. They should do a tour and team up with even more outspoken voices on the idiot box. Save the USA tour. Common sense speak is not common I guess. 😂
51:40 Destiny looks like he heard his death sentence when Gideon says, We have to be made acountable for our terrible crimes.😅😮😮
Every answer from Destiny is about Hamas…not Palestinians.
They are one and the same. That’s like saying why do you keep talking about nazis and not Germans in the context of ww2.
Well they are/were the leaders of Gaza. Pretty relevant to the convo
Of course, they are the governing body of Gaza. Why would he not be talking about them ?
Because that's what Israel is attacking? Maybe if Palestinians stopped fucking supporting Hamas, they might not get killed when being used as human shields. They have agency and they choose to give their lives to Hamas. They aren't babies, they can make their own decisions with their own consequences.
@@GoldenGorgonops22so with that logic all Israelis love the current leadership. I have a giant brush for you so you can paint large groups of people the color of your choice with it 😂
Thank you for the discussion.
Cenk is a living proof that plants can talk
You're proof you can say something without saying anything
Care to specify what he said that you thought he was wrong, or are you content to snipe him with hollow criticism, coward?
@@jenispizz2556 every time he opens his mouth, specifying will take too much time and effort, for you people? No thanks
@@rahbeat9785 I probably dislike Chenk more than you, but you botched it friend.
@@jenispizz2556 Then you can do it, you don't need me
We need more Gideon levys in this world
More liars?
@@GoldenGorgonops22just fact afther 76years apartheid genocide demons military occuption.
@@GoldenGorgonops22 We know zaios can't resist projecting their behavior, "every accusation is a confession".
@@BlueNorth313 You terrorist sympathizers are the ones projecting you live in a completely different reality. You talk about non existent genocide and oppression and ignore the clear terrorism by Palestinians.
Sociopaths? Yeah.. no thank you
cenk is such a propogandist, he really shouldnt be included in conversations like this. He literally cant stop himself from narrativizing and inventing motives from thin air to rationalize his own worldview. People like this will never change their minds with facts, because they dont even consider them.. its just social pressure they feel. Despite being more sane hes very similar to his nephew in that regard
Unlike Destiny? He outright calls for ethnic cleansing at this point, after consistently denied it wasn't happening.
Ur the propagandists here bro 😂
@@pkingo1proof? you can’t say this kind of bs unless u have solid proof u know
@@pkingo1 He doesn't?... He is fairly unbiased. He has sympathy for both sides. He criticizes Israel when they do vile shit too, settlements for example. It's just that Palestinians have made more mistakes on the path towards peace, so the 'blame' is more on them than on Israel.
Hot air brother… Cenk was valid
Cenk is a such a buffoon, it's comical
His take on Isreal v hamas is weird.
Engage with the substance or go back to kindergarten
I appreciate how civil this was. Thank you for the content.
Eli is far more fair and honest than Piers Morgan
Levy, what a beautiful mind and soul!
At 44:51 Destiny tells a disgusting lie. The PLO has since at least 1988 held the position of a Palestinian state in line with the international consensus along the 1967 borders and with East Jerusalem as its capital, and has even made numerous concessions in negotiations since then. Destiny immediately deflects to claiming land disputes are not really a factor, which is also a lie. Israel has at every step refused the Palestinians real sovereignty and a contiguous territory, and instead strategically placed settlements in ways that cuts Palestinian territory into small Bantustans. The fact is the entire world and every international institution knows what a solution looks like, and the Palestinians accept this solution. It is Israel that rejects it and consistently trolls for territory. A curious fact is that Israel has never formally declared or recognized its own borders. Once again, the accusation is an admission.
@@mayonaden he is also either ignorant or lying about the right of return which Cenk in turn did little to refute. Palestinian delegation has wanted a right of return to be a principle, but in reality it showed willingness to restrict that considerably. For instance in the 2000-2001 negotiations the little time devoted to the refugees were concentrated to the palestinians in Lebanon.
They have never given up on the right of return. That is a fact.
@@joseroshe1059 you are not really addressing the important part that in practise the PLO actually has shown willingness to.
@@hakanpetersson2662 When?
@@joseroshe1059 I mentioned the 2000-2001 negotiations. The 2007-2008 negotiations devoted practically no time to refugees.
There will never be peace for European colonizers in Palestine from the river to the sea.
Ask the history 1
What european colonizers
One hour of trying to figure out how to end the war, and nobody has suggested freeing the hostages.
oh no theyre meaning peace to resolve the whole conflict not just this war.
No they don't@@IsraelThomas-fv3od
Netanyahu vowing to continue the war regardless might have something to do with it.
That’s because it’s not about the hostages and you have to be out of your mind if you think that’s why Netanyahu is doing this
The only person who is in the way of releasing the hostages has always been netanyahu why do you think he is protested by his own citizens daily?
Desinty is the only person in this debate who would actually ever change their mind on anything
Has he finally realized Israel was the one destroying hospitals? Did he finally admit this is a genocide? Great 👍
Destiny is a predator with no values.
Of course. He is debating to the likes of Gideon Levy and Finklestein. Both heavily educated in the subject while he's technically just a Twitch streamer.
I dont understand why they keep inviting Destiny everywhere.
Do you mean the guy with the least experience? LOL
@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump found the Hasan watcher lmaoooooo
🇮🇱 has DEFINITELY destroyed their reputation.
Christians *USED TO* see 🇮🇱 as an utter LEGEND of their faith.
*That's absolutely GONE!* smfh
Islam is a scourge upon the world
It’s the definition of genocide
It’s insane that they keep letting Cenk into these debates. He never has any idea what he is talking about. A few months ago he was telling us that Hezbollah would defeat the Israelis and the total opposite thing is happening.
Cenk is on Qatar funds payroll, every statement he has is porpoganda and lies
The guy is just talking from emotion. He almost never mentions any facts, but when he does he's usually incorrect because he's just quoting some random Hamas propaganda from TikTok. He's a running joke, at this point. Which is kinda funny, since it doesn't look like he's ever run in his life. Except when he ran for office, but he fell on his face about 2 steps in, lol.
You will learn to accept opposition.
@@zmaschannel4808 did he actually say that? Can you direct me to where he said that?
@hakanpetersson2662. He said that many times. Just look up some
Of his interviews leading up to the months/weeks before Israel invaded Lebanon. He would say Hezbollah is not Hamas and Israel would bite off more than they could chew if they attacked Hezbollah….. I just don’t understand how he is allowed to present himself as an expert on something he is not an expert on.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸 free Lebanon 🇱🇧
Asking about peace is like asking about peace during American slavery. You can't have peace until all people are free and treated with equality.
? Palestinians literally just need to finally accept a two state solution and stop obsessively trying to kill the Jews lmfao
Does that apply to the Palestinians as well? I love how the only party that has any responsibility in this is israel. The Palestinians apparently have no agency whatsoever. Honestly, useful idiots for hamas, I mean pro-palestinian protesters treat the Palestinians like Trump supporters treat Trump. When the Palestinians chant "Death to America",
They tell us that they don't really mean it, no matter what horrible shit they do, there's always an excuse for it.
I'm so tired on both fronts of being told that I didn't just hear and see what these people just said and did
@jeffgojail No one is defending Hamas' terrorist acts. The point here is one side is holding all the cards and bombs while completely flattening and mass killing the part that resist the open-air prison while occupying and expanding their settlements on the other part that isn't. Do we know more than Gideon Levy who whole heartedly admits that he is living among the oppressors and need drastic change to provide the Palestinians the same equal rights, not a single ounce less, as everyone else living in Israel. Humanity's soul is at risk.We are all humans before being Israeli, Hamas, Palestinians, Muslim, Christian, Jewish, or anything else. We need to treat everyone human with equal dignity and kindness.
@@jeffgojail I don't think they need excuses to think like that after what they've been subjected to. You don't get to perpetrate the things that have been committed for almost 80 years and get to be offended when you're hated for it. You reap what you sow.
You're a comedian?
If 7th October was mass murder and rape mr. Destiny, how whould you describe the events we are witnessing in Gaza?
Israel killed 20k people in Lebanon in 82. Y the emphasis on October 7th?
If you asked Destiny he would say "No shit Israel's campaign needs to end and all the new annexations need to be given back, why would I hold Israel to a different standard". and I would agree
A war with probably too much collateral damage. Not a genocide; but could probably go after Israel for bad collateral damage calculations/not proportionate attacks (war crime)
It’s war
@@Gyoraf Even in war some moral standards have to be respected.
Cenk’s Arguments make perfect sense, if you just ignore the facts that Hamas is abusing the Palestinian population, that Israel is making great efforts to get civilians out of harms way, that the Jewish people have a valid indigenous claim of the territory between the Jordan river and the Mediterranean see, and that antisemitism is a real thing. Without those aspects it’s very easy to stand with the underdog, but that works only on a very superficial level, which is where Cenk and others insist to pull the discussion to. He makes a compelling argument, that every past Genocide was justified by the perpetrators as self defense and that Israel is no different in this regard, but this similarity is not a proof for an Israeli genocidal intent, and disregarding the Jewish people right to defend themselves is by itself an antisemitic rhetoric that also stretches back thousands of years into the past. So I ask you Cenk, do you think the Jews today are blind or stupid? Do you really want the world to believe that Israeli Jews should just accept the fact that Palestinian children are being taught antisemitic contents in schools and look away after something like surviving the Holocaust? Is justice according to your values only going to happen once the Jews go back to be persecuted minorities scattered in diaspora facing a constant existential threat? These believes used to be very common, and are currently gaining a lot of popularity, but antisemitism is nothing new, so there is no real surprise when another wave rises. It’s just the same old ugly poem being recited again using different words. Hamas is a rotten tooth that needs to be pulled out for the sake of everyone - the Gazan civilians first and foremost, and if Cenk cant see the IDF besides being an offensive Israeli army also as a major liberation force, he should go to an optometrist, or start asking himself why is it really that he is choosing to deny the facts that indicates this simple truth, and feel so compelled to stick to the counter narrative, according to which the Jews are nothing but war mongering racist colonials who are obsessed with inflicting as much pain to the innocent Palestinian victims, who are only trying to protect themselves as anyone else would in a similar situation. This is simply not the whole picture when it comes to the Palestinians Society, who never really took responsibility for itself because blaming Israel for not allowing it to was always easier.
I stopped reading after you said "Cenk’s Arguments make perfect sense, if you just ignore the facts", lol. The guy is an idiot who thinks like a child. It's insane that people keep asking him to debate.
@@tomereshed9827 Israel can of course make legal claims on Gaza and West Bank. Would not change the fact that they can't have them legally recognized as israeli territory unless PLO grants them that.
The nazi goverment didn't kill all jews to defend themselves nor used that rhetoric
That is what you got when you steal land and opucction the natives for 76years. Freedom has to be for the natives first
@@hakanpetersson2662 To simplify things, here are some key principles that doesn’t require a doctors degree to understand when it comes to the Jewish perspective:
Antisemitism is a real thing, but since unfortunately there is no cure for it, keeping it dormant is pretty much as good as it gets. That had been the case for thousands of years, and there is no reason to believe it would change anytime soon. As long as its passive, well, looking away and pretending it doesn’t exist is the only way to live something that resembles a normal life for the Jews (like the twenty years before October 7th), but once its being actively expressed it presents a real and dangerous threat to the lives and well being of Jews. This threat is, however, valid on an immediate short term, whereas history had shown time and time again, that on the long run antisemitism is actually more dangerous to the antisemitic people who promote it then to anyone else.
Another funny thing about antisemitism is its indirect nature. Even the name itself reflects that, as this vile monotheistic phenomena, which basically means the hatred of Jewish people, is not called “Jewfobia” or anything similar, rather refers to the matter in a more vague, abstract and indirect manner. This vague and abstract indirect manner is exactly the style in which this hatred spreads and eventually finds its way to the surface, usually under the cover of something else. All antisemitic people formally deny being antisemitic. Some of them aren’t not even aware about the fact that they are. Antisemitic indoctrination is currently not viewed as anything wrong in many Arab countries. For example in Egypt, where according to Cenk Peace worked out “so perfectly”, Jews are still being used as the bad guys by children as they play with action figures, while the parents stay content in regards and see nothing wrong with this depiction. The Palestinian Authority bluntly uses antisemitic content as a part of the formal education system for years with full UN support, not to mention the violent brain wash child abuse that the children in Gaza are going through with Hamas in charge. So what is the right thing to do? Look away? Pretend its all right? Call it justified? Is it really expected from the Israeli Jews to show tolerance towards antisemitism after something like surviving the Nazi holocaust, or does it make more sense for a country like Israel will develop a clear zero-tolerance policy towards any antisemitic expression?
Any long term solution must refer to this vile phenomena and recognize its validity as an actual and justified threat that the Jewish People can not ignore. Anything else can basically be considered as a trap... A one state solution whit a Jewish minority is a no-go for the Jews because the danger that the same antisemitic patterns will repeat themselves like in Diaspora is too big. A two state solution, with the Palestinians having the elevated West Bank as a strategic advantage from which they could target Israels center more easily with rockets if they chose to, is also a too big of a risk for Israel, and therefore both attitudes leaded to a dead end so far. Just the fact that the Palestinians can not propose a long term solution that does not include the destruction of Israel is a strong indication for the deep antisemitic values they live according to, and the unfortunate backlash of this strategy. Any real solution must start with changing that fundamentally, because insisting on keep on doing this way leaves the Jews no choice accept fighting back and hard.
When Gideon Levi criticizes the Israeli government for being corrupted and destructive its one thing, but when Cenk or any other non-Jew takes the liberty of doing the same its another. The reason for that is that Jews can never be regarded as equals. They are either under the law - which justifies things like the birth of Zionism as a counter measure, or above the law - which is where all the accusations of impunity and anti-Israel propaganda is coming from. This is not because this is how things are supposed to be. It’s simply because this is how things are. An unfortunate reality, that Jews can sadly understand better then non-jews, who prefers to pretend non of this dynamic exists in the first place. Here is the thing though. Since this reality is very real for the Jews, whenever anyone goes out in claims like “the solution is to boycott Israel”, “stop buying Israeli products”, or that the problem is Israel being “an Apartheid state” (despite having 20% Arab Citizens with equal rights), “a western colonial project” (despite having no empire behind it), or “committing a Genocide in Gaza” (despite the lowest ratio between combatants and civilians in the history of warfare and even an increase in the overall amount of population in Gaza even during the war! - check it out if you don’t believe it) all plays to this simple, evident antisemitic thinking patterns that serves all of those who really like to passionately express their hatred for Jews.
To all of those who are doing it while being aware of it - don’t think that the Jews are stupid and can’t see exactly whats going on. Three thousand years of dealing with this crap should not be taken for granted, and yes, there are centuries of of accumulating experience when it comes to how to do it best. For all of those who are doing it without being aware of themselves playing along with antisemitic patterns - open your eyes and realize that this path will end up being more dangerous for you than for anyone else if you chose to actively act upon these notions. The jewish track record is very clear when it comes to that matter, but as long as there is an active antisemitic expression the threat is very real.
The last funny fact is that the Jews have always been the perfect scapegoats for anyone who needed a distraction from their own internal failures. This principle applies on the Palestinians just as it applies on anyone else. Only when they willingly drop their antisemitic agenda things could move forward, regardless of power-drunk gangster Netanyahu and his gang of under-qualified, fanatic thugs, who currently run the country.
The core of the problem is not a fake occupation of a country that never existed. It is the use of “Palestine” as a modern vehicle for antisemitism.
I liked the debate,with great guests with information that I didn't know.
Even the TYT Cenk toned down his performance style.Thanks
True, cenk was practically breedable in this convo (relatively compared to how his baseline is)
Cenk could make a killing in Bollywood with his preformative antics.
@markallen6433 "practically breedable" Genuine Chortle
@@ItReignItPour ha ha, You choose velvet voiced villain or stupid comedy uncle?...I'd guess uncle
Cenk is probably exhausted from debating this topic and has likely lost hope. They all seem like they know what's going to happen and have just accepted it.
I can't believe they still allow Mr Bonecelli to be on this show. When was the last time Mr Bonetteli ever say anything that wasn't a wikipedia talking point. If anything Mr Vermicelli should not be invited. Leave him on Twitch for his crap.
You mean Mr Borelli😅
@@ilkerkiyak4108 lol that guy!
This conflict is nothing to do with hating Jews. This is about equality, discrimination and injustice. PEACE FOR ALL otherwise This madness will continue
😂 destiny just shutting up… I guess it dawns on him
That Israel was always the aggressor
Hard to admit it but Destiny is the only one here with a brain besides the host ofc.
53:22
* *A military coalition blockades Israel* *
Israel: let's get nuts
And the funny thing is that those who call Hamas’s actions resistance would suddenly condemn the actions of Israel in this situation.
Destiny is delusional if he thinks oct 7 wasn't resistance.
War is when two armies fight each other
tired of Destiny and his b.s.
What was b.s.?
You think he's gonna answer?@@PatrickOMulligan
All his Israeli propaganda and his denial of the history of Israel's terrorism, nakhba, refusal to negotiate, and constant invasions of its neighbors in a supremacist attempt to build greater israel.
Watching this because of Gideon Levy. Currently reading his book The Killing of Gaza, which is a series of short essays from 2014 to the present. It provides excellent political and historical context for today’s crisis. Why is Destiny on the show? He has the shallowest knowledge of the region and relies on simplistic tropes; that region has always been at war, it’s all they understand etc. It’s kind of warmed over Samuel Huntington. As a former International Relations major, I find it tedious.
As a PoliSci major, and as an Israeli who had the honor to study the Israeli-Palestinian conflict from some amazing scholars who have both lived this and studied this (Amal Jamal, Uriel Abulouf, Azar Gat, etc...) Destiny is very knowledgable, he does a lot more than parrot common tropes, he understands the Israeli need for security and how it defines the consensus around a lot of things.
I also have a lot of respect for Gideon Levy despite disagreeing with him on many core issues, if anything Cenk is the only one in this debate who's entire understanding of this war can be narrowed down to an oppressor and oppressed narrative under which the oppressor can never be right and the oppressed can never be wrong, which is the least nuanced and most populistic understanding possible for this conflict.
If you're interested in more literature, perhaps the kind that might shine some light in a different perspective I highly recommend Uriel Abulouf's "The Mortality and Morality of nations", fantastic book and work of academic literature.
"Why is destiny on the show? He's so shallow!"
.... "Both sides only understand war, nothing we can do."
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When is see Destiny on a panel, I just know what's coming. He should go back to gaming . He annoyed Norman Finklestein so much I think he actually called him an idiot. He advised Destiny to read more than Wikipedia.
@@anntahhan8930 Norman literally lost that debate it’s embarrassing for a faux academic to have to resort to name calling. There’s a reason he kept losing tenure it’s bc he kept lying and did shoddy work I’m glad the geezer got exposed
@@anntahhan8930 Actually I think that's the ONLY thing Finkelstein said. Nothing of substance whatsoever (or send me a timestamp and I'll amend my views). He just spoke at .02 speed and called Destiny a moron the entire time. Truly a display of scholarly class.
It's not a War. Anyone who has any brains knows its not a war.
Having Gideon on the panel is such a surplus. He's the perfect buffer and equalizer.
He is a Trojan horse. Enemy in the gate
He's a legit clown
@@Alrosa5837 If you denounce even the Gideons, you will be left with only Cenks.
@@synchronium24Very poetic. However, there is no sense to the statement. Gideon states explicitly he wants to see the dismantling of Israel. He dreams of some communist, utopia that will never exist. Honestly he should piss of to the Birobidzhan Oblast, see how that works for him and leave the rest of us alone. Cenk is a physical manifestation of if Dunning-Kruger effect had a love child with an all you can eat junk food buffet at the Der Stürmer HQ. Buffoon spewing every canard tiktok could feed him.
They always call you an antisemite but never a liar…
Who said the word antisemite in this entire debate?
It’s implied. Most antisemites aren’t smart enough to figure that out. Maybe you can find a nice Jewish girl to help boost your family IQ.
Parrot detected , Opinion rejected.
Antisemites lie vigorously. That goes hand in hand.
I have no problem calling many antisemites liars.
@@jaydezifourALL pro ISRAEL ppl do ALL THE TIME 😂 What are u talking about?
Mr Borelli
Destiny..the Palestinian Mandela is locked up in Israeli prison since 20 years..bharghouti.....
Gideon Levy: "No, no, it's not just the right in Israel that's the problem, it's also the left wing. And it's not just Netanyahu, it's all of their politics. And it's not just the older generation, but also the younger one since they might even be worse than the older generation." So the problem is with the entire Israeli population? "No, no, obviously I don't include the Arabs living there, since they're being oppressed as well." So your problem is just the Jewish population then? "What?? I never said such a thing!"
The guy does a very good job making it very clear his problem is with the Jews without explicitly saying he hates Jews. But pay attention for more than 2 seconds and you'll realize what game he's playing.
Riiiight- Gideon is an Israeli Jew who “hates Jews.” He doesn’t fit your idea of a Jew because he is anti Zionist but so what. He’s not an ethnonationalist fanatic and that’s a good thing.
@@darkaquatus didn't notice any errors from Levy there even when filtered by you.
@@hakanpetersson2662 So you agree with his antisemitism? Good to know.
@@darkaquatus there is no antisemitism from him, Mr Quijote.
@@hakanpetersson2662 His problem is with Jews, not Israel. Go do some research on him and the things I already stated in my first comment will make even more sense. Unless you've already made up your mind, of course (which I think you did).
Cenk and Gideon are the voices of reason
😂
Why don't brown people have any agency and why are they the only people who can be indigenous to an area?
This is not the case, there are regional colonial powers outside of European spheres of influence where people of darker hues commit atrocities on each other for the same old reasons.
@shelbzillathrilla i realize this but why is it never discussed outside certain circles?
if "non brown" people are indigenous to area, then why are they more prone to get skin cancer compares to their neighbors?
How exactly are Palestinians supposed to have agency to do anything?? For example, when they do apply for a permit to renovate their home in the West Bank...it gets ignored and then the home gets destroyed when they go ahead and do the renovation.
@@TyCook-s1c In the case of Israel our tax dollars and our institutions support the atrocities. Our peers emigrate to Israel to participate in.
I wonder why the Palestinians don't hve a rich history of rebellion against all the other empires.
I don't think destiny said a single useful thing here. Its always just "welp you attacked Israel, that's just how wars go", he even brought up the bad faith argument "small Jewish country vs big bad Arabs around it" as if Israel isn't backed by the biggest military in the world. How far he has fallen....
Jews in Israel- 7.2 million
Jews on Earth (not including Israel)- 8.5 million
Muslims on Earth- 2 BILLION
# of Jewish majority countries- 1
# of Muslim majority countries- 50
Israel as global landmass- 0.12%
Muslim majority countries global landmass- 23%
Tell me again how Jews are the reason for the world’s problems!
Hmmm, sounds an awful lot like you're a terrorist supporter there my guy
You are saying this like Arab nations were backed by the Soviet Union, or how the Palestinians are backed by Iran, who are Russian and Chinese allies, so he is just right, Hamas attacked, if israel is so strong, why attack it ? they made their own grave, and now cry because they are being burried in it.
That's called you're biased as fk and don't care to listen
Imagine being as disconnected from reality as Cenk.
You lack self-awareness.
@@Newnicheno you
Maybe he's wrong on the technicals but on principles he's more right than them all
i don't think cenk is the one denying all the wacrimes like targeting children from snipers and stuff.
destiny is the one with cognitive dissonance here. but that's not surprising because he always ends up on the wrong side of topics.
that would you zionist bot
Destiny said it best when he says “Israel will confine ourselves to areas that we must but it if you give us the opportunity to we will take whatever we can from you.”
The Allies -except Russia of course - didn’t use that policy after they defeated Germany.
Destiny is a fool
There's a disturbing amount of people trying to either justify or reduce the importance of civilian deaths in war.
They are un-important to the Palestinian side. There is a reason why Hamas is able to get away with it and that every civilian death is immediately used for PR for Palestine while on the Isreali side they mourn but they don't wait for the camera's to show how bad it is for them.
BDS israel
Palestinians have the right to resist domination, apartheid and genocide by the Israelis by any means necessary!!!
@@gloriaf6971 insert legal and you're good to go.
@hakanpetersson2662 Everyone has the legal right to self-defense.
@@gloriaf6971 targeting civilians is not a part of legal self-defense.
@hakanpetersson2662 Tell that to the Israelis!!
@@gloriaf6971 they definitely on a different atrocity level. But my point still stands.
Do that opposite of everything Cenk says anytime and that'll be the best outcome
This was actually a pretty good conversation. I basically always disagree with Destiny, but what he said at the end was true and important.
he said he was wrong and apologized?
Notice how Cenk's talking points changed over the course of the war, a year ago he was saying Hamas is an idealogy and you can't defeat them militarily, now it's that Israel already won and should leave immediately
@@joshuashain5891 timestamp?
Cenk: "We just need all these masses of humans to change their fundamental brain structure. We need them to want different things than they want. We need politics to work a different way. We need them to negotiate in ways they are unwilling to."
Destiny: "But they don't want that. Let's describe the situation as it is."
Cenk: "Destiny is a bloodthirsty monster!"
Should start getting David pakman into some of these conversations
David Parkman another Zionist
Yes!
Great talk between Gideon and Cenk, not sure why the other two were on the screen,
One of the worst debates ever. Two weirdos just babling on and Destiny sitting there looking like he doesnt even want to be there
I think he's actually tired of the argument. Wants to worry about other things. Came to this debate just to show face and give the same argument he's been giving. I mean he hasn't faulted on his original standpoint.
@@Siegefyato to his paid job
@@MarkDenmark-nz2pz yeah
@@Siegefya Yeah I guess that is the feeling I got also. Cenk also I have seen him say the same things pretty much I guess.
@@MarkDenmark-nz2pz He just feels like theyre too far gone to reach, thats why he checks to see if theyre living in reality. If they arent he gives up. Personally id try no matter what but hes just gone through this enough times he can see exactly how its going to go
Would have liked if Gideon Levy spoke more
Cenk has a skill for speaking 8 times as much as everyone else and saying nothing of substance.
Why do people submit themselves to such nonsense with Destiny??? He has not seriously engaged with this issue outside of reading a Wikipedia page and a trip to Israel.
he read several books on the topic, he spoke directly prominent with authors, politicians and historians on the conflict, he read through ICC/ICJ reports, he systematically mapped out the entire conflict from start to finish and has debated tons of scholars and professors on I/P that couldn't get the best of him.
At least be honest and say you're too lazy to read anything than project your insecurities onto someone who clearly did do his homework.
@@LiiRAE. I've read the literature very intensively the past year, and I've slowly gone from ultra pro-Israel to pro-Palestinian. Day by day I genuinely find it incredibly hard to believe that Netanyahu didn't allow Oct 7 to happen.
@LiiRAE. By his own admission, Destiny reads only snippets of things and uses Wikipedia as his main source. He doesn't own people debates. All he does is talk fast and confidently through gish gallops. Also, he admitted on video that he hates Arabs.
Another far leftist child that doesn't know that the wiki andy meme is not based in reality.
Doesn't matter how many books you read if you only take what serves your narrative.
Destiny and Cenk have great debates and a respectful rapport
Eli has the potential to be a great moderator. He seems very genuine
Destiny about Israel 'We don't have any security guarantees from the West'. LOL.
He’s correct, before 1973 they had no western alliances.
They didn’t back then.
@@vercingetorix5708 Back when? They have since the Balfour Declaration over a century ago.
destiny is the same guy that said he is ok with a genocide
No, you've fallen for propaganda. At no point has he ever said he was okay with a genocide in any serious discussion.
@aaronyayger I have seen seen the video stop it
@@MrCreativeDynamics So have I. You're intentionally misrepresenting it or you've been poisoned so hard that the context changes nothing for you. Either way you're being retarded.
Feel free to post the title with context and I'll gladly go through it all.
@@MrCreativeDynamics I just rewatched it, bud. You're plain wrong. The "I'm pro genocide" was clearly said in jest. He elaborates and says "there's no clear right answer" to the end of the conflict because Palestinians and the Arab world at large just want the straight up destruction of Israel and the mass killing of Jews and Israel feels that it has endless justification for violence. All of this is true. Get out of your bubble.
You stop it. That was not in a serious discussion, and the fact you've seen that means you've been clip chimped by far leftists that hate him.
Destiny is so off putting. He makes a ridiculous statement and acts like it’s a known fact
what ridiculous statment ?
says abdool
Can you give an example?
I'd love an example of him doing this since you seem so confident that he does it.
what statement?
Cenk "Strawman" Uygur yet again. Awful debater.
I'm starting to think that 'Destiny' is a masochist. First he agreed on debating Norman Finkelstein, now Gideon Levy. He must love to get his butt spanked.
Finkelstein absolutely embarrassed himself in that debate lol
At what point did Finkelstein win the debate with Destiny? Was it the numerous times he faked not knowing his name? Was it the numerous personal attacks that had nothing to do with the conversation? Was it the deflecting and never answering questions and then looping right back to the personal insults that meant nothing? Can you find a SINGLE fucking example where Norm spanked his butt. I'll fucking wait.
You're cognitively impaired if you think Norm did anything other than sabotage the debate like the Trump apologist joke he is.
@ obviously you didn’t watch the debate, Benny was laughing at Finkelstein at that very point haha. He was even asked to clarify later and did so. Sorry buddy
@@aaronyayger That's an easy task. I'll just go with my favourite example: Mr. Bonell(i) accuses Finkelstein of sticking only to facts when they support what ever argument he wants to push and he explains this accusation by saying, Israel had accepted the 1947 partition plan which, as he says, would contradict F.s view according to which the Israelis always planed and strived for the expulsion of the Arabs from all of the land that should be shared. F. answers to this moronic argument by teaching Bonell, how politics work: You can't just always make your ideology and will to your official agenda in every situation. There are restraints to that if you also want to be succesfull in getting what you want, but when talking about facts you can find lots of historic evidence of which Destiny doesn't know showing that Ben Gurion and other Zionists never wanted partition. They nonetheless judged it would be wise to say so ... According to Bonell's logic the Munich agreement of 1938 would prove that Hitler and the Nazis did not want to take all of the Czech-Republic, even though we know that from documents and it was an ideological goal they pursued.
Israelis actions have justified the existence of Hamas
Destiny is evil
Now we just need mehdi hassan to join in
To have a chance of defeating 1 Destiny? 🤔
Hasan is too dishonest and bad at debates to do this. Besides debating teenagers and conmentary youtubers on this, what record does he have? Lol
@@Lunar.67Mehdi is definitely really bad faith and exceptionally dishonest/disingenuous when it comes to Israel, but he's not bad at debating. On the contrary, he's actually a master at winning debates.
@@Lunar.67 That's a different person.
Thought this was Piers Morgan until I realized it wasn't. And I was quite happy
Why is there no pro-israel debater? Get Yishai Fleisher on
@@user-td4do3op2d israel here is a euphemism for genocide.
If they have all the power, then dont start a war cenk
Destiny is deplorable. Get somebody with a brain to talk about this topic at least.
Get someday that only talks about the history I like and agree with even though it's not based in anything.
Fixed your comment for you! You're welcome!
What did he say that was wrong? He could at least argue his points. I Get why you say that because you obviously disagree with all of it. He at least have knowledge on things but has a different perspective.
@@magnetarr4448 Would be nice to hear from people who read books and have studied this topic for years, having discussions with other historians. Not much to gain from this weirdo with a pile of guns behind him farting in his gaming chair while he screams at his teen boy fans what he learned on wiki in the last few months.
@VMVarga-zg4cl sounds like a you issue then. What does what he has in that room have anything to do with this? What a weird thing to bring up.
Destiny has already discussed this with Norm finklestein and Rabbani and neither of them could refute anything that was said, instead they quote mined and misrepresented most things they tried mentioning.
So I guess you also have an issue with Cenk too then?
@@magnetarr4448 you’re lying, lol he was utterly embarrassed in that interview with Finkelstein so for you to come out and say he was not refuted in anything he said is just laughable.
Eli you did a good job bro, it’s always refreshing when a moderator makes the efforts you do
Steven Is a LOST CAUSE!😡
Destiny is such a dishonest hack
He's a opportunist like piers morgan milking the conflict for views and relevancy.
@ agreed. I think like piers that he’s a genuine r8cist though
What is he hacking? His whole life is on a stream. He researches everything and makes sure his audience knows how to think, not what to think. It seems you're the dishonest one.
@@kingdodgearcane 😂
Levy is really intelligent.
It’s absurd that an ex Isis terrorist is now adored by the west yet accepting hamas as a political party is out of the question?
18 Muslim countries. 1 Jewish country. Why is it only the Jewish country that should exist??
52 Muslim countries *
excacly! this is what all pro palestinians arguing about
Because it's not about a country being muslim or jewish. It's one country trying to free itself from the direct military involvement of other. It's not a religious conflict, it is a geopolitical conflict that has a tertiary religious aspect.
@ except Muslims colonized that land and came after Jews.
No country has a right to exist. Also, the Jewish country's track record has shown y its a bad idea.
Cenk makes the most logical sense
Yes. If you are ignorant
if you are a lunatic and accept his premises which are BS nicely lined up with truth in some parts of history
I just looked it up, Palestinians were offered their own state multiple times. Cenk liar liar, pants on fire...
Looked it up too, none of them were serious offers
@BeeboHamido another liar... why does every Palestinian supporter lie?