Every time I think I've seen the most batshit insane thing you can do, you surprise me with something like this. What the actual banana bread loving hell was that? Incredible. I wouldn't say your normal strategies are cheesy. You're just min-maxxing efficiently by using your understanding of the game mechanics to its fullest advantage. Not the way I prefer to play, especially with a solo character, I prefer the stories you can get out of building a character up organically, but to each their own. Still, an insanely informative guide and crazy fun to see just how much you can break this beautiful game.
This is literally cheesing, I don't have a problem with it, but what he's doing here is the definition of cheesing, in fact you could even say it's exploiting, which is 100% fine in a singleplayer game. What I'm trying to say is you don't need to justify it at all, it's okay to exploit, you don't have to deny doing it.
@@heygek2769 Pretty sure he's responding to what I said at the end of the video about how some people have said that my training methods (Fighting baby crabs, power leveling stealth etc...) are cheesy, so I made this video to show them what real cheese looks like. He's agreeing with me about my normal videos min-maxxing. I doubt he is saying that this video isn't cheese haha. (Basically, anything with Breaking Kenshi in the title of mine is cheesy/exploity/bug abusing stuff. Videos without that are just guides showing how to efficiently level skills and explaining the game mechanics. I am considering renaming my Thievery guide to Breaking Kenshi but then again though Thievery is a very cheesy stat already on it's own)
Glad to see someone else using hunger! I haven't seen it mentioned all that much in the community, but I always found starvation a better method than mining iron like a chump. You're right about gorillos. Another useful animal would be landbats that you kite into guards (I prefer doing this around Spring). They come in large flocks, so there's little running around. They have slightly lower stats than beak things, but you can get SO many more of them that it more than makes up for it. Cuts down setup time quite a bit, imo.
Landbats do have lower health than a Beak Thing has... But the hit chances on their body are really good. They are one of those really annoying 100 all body part races. You make a very very good point. Although the MA XP will be a bit lower due to the stats being 5 lower... With that hit chance on their body you should be able to train a lot longer on them. Great idea my guy. I never even considered them for a target.
@@FrankieWuzHere Glad to have helped. I don't normally cheese things, but I did quite a bit of testing when I wanted to have a max stat squad, and I found that place to be the best one to boost MA in the early-mid phase of the game (the guards are so handy). It gets quite tedious towards the end, but hey, at least both unique gorillos are nearby >.>
Wow, this is so genius. Some of the community thought they were cheesing the game buy using multiple separate camp beds yet here is Frankie with the big brain tech.
Something I forgot to include is that you can place a campbed on top of Bugmaster's cages and the spiders cannot reach you and getting off of it will put you down a floor. If you put one on his table it, getting off of it will put you up a floor. There are tons of furniture pieces you can build on top of, not just the ones I included :)
you are the man Frankie. keep it up. i love all the technical game breaking videos you put out. I would have stopped playing the game if it weren't for you showing more efficient way to train. thank you for reigniting my passion for this game
Holy damn bro! I used camp beds to train my skills, putting them very close together but never in my wildest dreams did I ever think about bedstacking! This is friggin INSANE!! Also, you could boost strength by starving yourself, picking somebody up and putting on a backpack to keep you encumbered to the max as you boost the stats.
I had a backpack in my inventory that put me to 100% Encumbrance :D Carrying someone doesn't impact the Xp you get in combat, just for moving but still that is good to add!
You may notice that the Beak Thing I clicked on for most of the guide was rarely hit, that's why I mentioned we only really made use of 18 although I had 19 Beak Things (I believe) in Camp Beds. The 19th one was too high up. You can place Beak Things on another stack (Like the one my character was sleeping on) and you will occasionally damage those too for even more XP. But make sure to target the ones which are side by side! As you'll hit those together much more often. If anyone has a better layout feel free to share it!
brother! i watched this after some of your older videos and your voice has completely transformed insane how much you sound like a different person completely
I mean I haven't shown Frankie's... I mean my face on TH-cam in a while have I. How do you know it's really me? Jokes aside it has been like... 2 years since I started making guides so my voice has changed a bit. I also accidentally messed with my audio settings a while back and forgot how I had them set up originally so that could be it too. Hopefully the change isn't a bad thing.
This is the best, the stinkiest, the creamiest, cheesy-est, cheese I've ever seen. Bravo. You have outdone even Roquefort, heck, not even Munster is quite so cheesy.
I've usually used the 'regular' method with normal beds as they also have a higher healingrate, so the 'training dummy' get's up faster' again. But apparently all we needed were a few more beakers and not even the big guys. Must be rather annoying to get them into the beds though / finding the right angle to click on the correct camp bed. Still, super fast training in the end. As for cheese, I think most of the optimized trainingmethods are indeed cheese, as all cheese is just exploiting game mechanics beyond their intended purpose / to an extreme that was not considered possible. But I like cheese and a big part of why I like kenshi is that you can break it in so many awesome ways. And for people that do not liek the cheese, your videos are still great. Full of information on how things work, so they can devise their own prefered methods of training / doing things at the pace they enjoy most.
Oh it's actually very simple to put them into the Camp Bed. The Camp Beds are longer than the Beak Things are wide. As for the min-max/cheese/exploit debate... I think of it like this... If you are trying to get jacked Going for a walk every so often = Sub optimal Eating well and regularly exercising = Min-Maxing Taking steroids = Cheesing And that's my goal in the end! Not steroids I mean to explain the game mechanics not just to show off a super OP method :) Thanks for commenting and sharing your opinion on it!
Do you think you could make a video with a breakdown of what the best and worst weapons are and why? I feel like there isn't a lot of comprehensive information on this topic
Do you have any tips for making a good home gym for my characters? I just realized that attack training dummies are the least helpful part of my journey. Day 61 on an 8 man squad on a tech 2 bench rn 😅
i was so confused at the end, why u were farming skill so fast. but the end breakdown once i finally understood ofc made it all make sense. i had been doing something similar in my current playthrough. but with much less success. but i have been out and about survivng, i got mid tier toughness and str already. so makes sense now why i doing so much more dmg.
@@armorpig Yep! You could just use Assassins Rags for no recoil damage. (Slightly less MA XP but that's fine) Let's say you were level 80 and 100% Encumbered.. With ARags and Legplates that would be 76 MA, with 100% Encumbrance it would put you to 15.2. If you wore Samurai Armour and Legplates that would put you down to 60 MA, with 100% Encumbrance you would be put down to 12. You would deal more damage as you don't have the .85x damage from Samurai Armour as well as your MA being a bit higher ofc but you would gain very little Toughness XP as a result. Oddly enough you still get Toughness XP even if you take no recoil damage.
It works in towns too! Like the Watchtowers in Admag :) I used it once in a run on stream to escape from the Sheks when I accidentally pulled too many.
@@Uforianer Make sure the terrain is flat. Sometimes sections aren't great and won't stack. It's not too common though. Just keep trying to place them down if you find a spot isn't working.
2:20 Im surprised you havent. Beak Things will always stay in bed, when you dump em in one, but white and black rillos, iron spiders (variants) and probably a few more critters i forget ALWAYS get out of bed upon loading the game. The only black rillo that doesnt is the one from the southern ants - war rillo - these stay in beds and remain hostile (so you dont have to get them out of the bed, poke them to make them hostile and throw them in the bed again). Very convenient, but impossible to acquire without pissing off the ants with an outpost first. King wont stay in bed either. Neither will the great white and king rillo. Thats just Kenshi...
Hm.. I haven't noticed that behavior. It might just be because the way I found to get those to be hit-able doesn't require loading. Very useful tip about the Southern Hive Gorillos! Thanks for that info. I can share a useful fact in return. When an animal is in a recovery coma and being held or in a cage, if you save/load the animal will have their Toughness (And other stats) treated as if they are age 1.0. This might seem useless but... Imagine you had the Southern Hive King and you somehow put him in a recovery coma. If you held him to carry him off somewhere, saved and loaded his Toughness would go from the 140-150ish it normally is after doing that much damage down to the 60s, meaning he would eventually worsen to death. I used this in my "Pacifist" run so he would worsen to death without us actually doing any damage to him.
@@FrankieWuzHere Whaaat? How do you get your "bed victims" to be hittable without the whole "get out of bed, aggro, grab and put in bed again" trick? That would save me SO much trouble, when my away team is... away... and the base crew tries to aggro one, fucks up and has to run away as a result. The tip you gave isnt actually useless, since i will know what NOT to do in the future. Thanks. Ive had multiple instances, where i would pick up one or more of the unruly critters between saves, so id be able to put them in bed again and keep training after load, instead of having to deal with the mess they cause in the confined space of the second floor of the snailhouse... and there were a few times where id be tired with the game, id just save and quit, to then facepalm myself and go "Aw fuck! Now youve done it!" and have nightmares over it...
On mobile atm so I don't remember the timestamp but it was the part where on screen I put No1 - No2 - For Black Gorillos. The few times I tried with them I did that. No saving/loading needed.
@@FrankieWuzHere Oh... well i knew this method. You made it sound a lot better than it is. Like a "force attack thin air" thing that would aggro everything currently in bed based on faction. Oh well.
@ Just discovered something interesting: if you catch an unruly animal (or robot - King) and it refuses to stay in bed or gets out of it instantly - dump it in a prisoner cage, and then put it back in bed. Doesnt solve the issue of aggroing it, but it keeps it in place. Tested it just now with the great white rillo, which just got out of bed and attacked my guys. Dumped it in the prisoner cage, and put it back in bed - seems to be staying there, and retains aggro to boot! Wonder for how long, though... (when i say "bed", i mean an actual bed, and not the bedroll)
I just had an idea; why not "speed running" maxing all skills (or go to 90/95) from zero and stream it? If you done that already or something similar, please link it. :D
Cheat? It’s an in-game, vanilla exploit. Do you cheese the hell out of the intended gameplay experience? Sure, but at least there’s still some work and time involved as opposed to editing values with zero challenge whatsoever.
I used to be a level 1 beakthing exploiting crook but now im a level 100 beakthing campbed mafia boss. Thanks Frankie
No thank you :)
Every time I think I've seen the most batshit insane thing you can do, you surprise me with something like this. What the actual banana bread loving hell was that? Incredible.
I wouldn't say your normal strategies are cheesy. You're just min-maxxing efficiently by using your understanding of the game mechanics to its fullest advantage. Not the way I prefer to play, especially with a solo character, I prefer the stories you can get out of building a character up organically, but to each their own. Still, an insanely informative guide and crazy fun to see just how much you can break this beautiful game.
This is literally cheesing, I don't have a problem with it, but what he's doing here is the definition of cheesing, in fact you could even say it's exploiting, which is 100% fine in a singleplayer game. What I'm trying to say is you don't need to justify it at all, it's okay to exploit, you don't have to deny doing it.
@@heygek2769 Pretty sure he's responding to what I said at the end of the video about how some people have said that my training methods (Fighting baby crabs, power leveling stealth etc...) are cheesy, so I made this video to show them what real cheese looks like. He's agreeing with me about my normal videos min-maxxing. I doubt he is saying that this video isn't cheese haha.
(Basically, anything with Breaking Kenshi in the title of mine is cheesy/exploity/bug abusing stuff. Videos without that are just guides showing how to efficiently level skills and explaining the game mechanics. I am considering renaming my Thievery guide to Breaking Kenshi but then again though Thievery is a very cheesy stat already on it's own)
@@heygek2769 Fun police here, that's a run-on sentence.
Glad to see someone else using hunger! I haven't seen it mentioned all that much in the community, but I always found starvation a better method than mining iron like a chump. You're right about gorillos. Another useful animal would be landbats that you kite into guards (I prefer doing this around Spring). They come in large flocks, so there's little running around. They have slightly lower stats than beak things, but you can get SO many more of them that it more than makes up for it. Cuts down setup time quite a bit, imo.
Landbats do have lower health than a Beak Thing has... But the hit chances on their body are really good. They are one of those really annoying 100 all body part races. You make a very very good point. Although the MA XP will be a bit lower due to the stats being 5 lower... With that hit chance on their body you should be able to train a lot longer on them. Great idea my guy. I never even considered them for a target.
@@FrankieWuzHere Glad to have helped. I don't normally cheese things, but I did quite a bit of testing when I wanted to have a max stat squad, and I found that place to be the best one to boost MA in the early-mid phase of the game (the guards are so handy). It gets quite tedious towards the end, but hey, at least both unique gorillos are nearby >.>
Wow, this is so genius. Some of the community thought they were cheesing the game buy using multiple separate camp beds yet here is Frankie with the big brain tech.
Cheese in Kenshi?!? No way! :D :D
Great video as always!
I mean we do play on a moon right? Of course there would be cheese! Enjoy how you put together your videos, awesome to see you here!
"It's over bugmaster, I have the higher campbed-stack ground!"
Something I forgot to include is that you can place a campbed on top of Bugmaster's cages and the spiders cannot reach you and getting off of it will put you down a floor. If you put one on his table it, getting off of it will put you up a floor. There are tons of furniture pieces you can build on top of, not just the ones I included :)
stacking camp beds is the next level dojo cheese lol
you are the man Frankie. keep it up. i love all the technical game breaking videos you put out. I would have stopped playing the game if it weren't for you showing more efficient way to train. thank you for reigniting my passion for this game
Guy and his Sleeping Bag
Playstyle: Architect!
Money: "you got a Sleepingbag ,what els culd you need?"
Single handedly carrying a community. As always good job man
Holy damn bro! I used camp beds to train my skills, putting them very close together but never in my wildest dreams did I ever think about bedstacking! This is friggin INSANE!! Also, you could boost strength by starving yourself, picking somebody up and putting on a backpack to keep you encumbered to the max as you boost the stats.
I had a backpack in my inventory that put me to 100% Encumbrance :D Carrying someone doesn't impact the Xp you get in combat, just for moving but still that is good to add!
You may notice that the Beak Thing I clicked on for most of the guide was rarely hit, that's why I mentioned we only really made use of 18 although I had 19 Beak Things (I believe) in Camp Beds. The 19th one was too high up. You can place Beak Things on another stack (Like the one my character was sleeping on) and you will occasionally damage those too for even more XP. But make sure to target the ones which are side by side! As you'll hit those together much more often.
If anyone has a better layout feel free to share it!
Absolutely insane
brother! i watched this after some of your older videos and your voice has completely transformed insane how much you sound like a different person completely
I mean I haven't shown Frankie's... I mean my face on TH-cam in a while have I. How do you know it's really me? Jokes aside it has been like... 2 years since I started making guides so my voice has changed a bit. I also accidentally messed with my audio settings a while back and forgot how I had them set up originally so that could be it too. Hopefully the change isn't a bad thing.
oh wow not even close to what I was expecting when seeing the reddit thread, crazy stuff but amazing that you found it
Hopefully in a good way!
People: your training methods are too broken.
Frankie: let me show you just what broken can look like.
Hah exactly :)
This is the best, the stinkiest, the creamiest, cheesy-est, cheese I've ever seen. Bravo. You have outdone even Roquefort, heck, not even Munster is quite so cheesy.
I learned a new name of cheese today haha. Thank you.
It's quite impressive the ways this game can be cheesed with only early game material! Eagerly awaiting your next bomb of knowledge
Didn't know camp beds were this useful! Awesome!
Really ramp up the cheese, I love it
Kenshi wizard.
Cheers, this will help me defend my badly planned base in the pits
I've usually used the 'regular' method with normal beds as they also have a higher healingrate, so the 'training dummy' get's up faster' again. But apparently all we needed were a few more beakers and not even the big guys.
Must be rather annoying to get them into the beds though / finding the right angle to click on the correct camp bed.
Still, super fast training in the end.
As for cheese, I think most of the optimized trainingmethods are indeed cheese, as all cheese is just exploiting game mechanics beyond their intended purpose / to an extreme that was not considered possible. But I like cheese and a big part of why I like kenshi is that you can break it in so many awesome ways. And for people that do not liek the cheese, your videos are still great. Full of information on how things work, so they can devise their own prefered methods of training / doing things at the pace they enjoy most.
Oh it's actually very simple to put them into the Camp Bed. The Camp Beds are longer than the Beak Things are wide.
As for the min-max/cheese/exploit debate...
I think of it like this... If you are trying to get jacked
Going for a walk every so often = Sub optimal
Eating well and regularly exercising = Min-Maxing
Taking steroids = Cheesing
And that's my goal in the end! Not steroids I mean to explain the game mechanics not just to show off a super OP method :) Thanks for commenting and sharing your opinion on it!
@@FrankieWuzHere Fair point ! Also thanks for the reply :)
thats insane... i love it
Incredible!
Incredible!! I thought I knew some cheesy strats 😂
Yo I love your username, Habo Hotel vibes 😂
Can't wait to see AA bring back Stealy Dan for this one.
Would love to see him make use of it. He does have very high Toughness though so he would need to get a lot more Beak Things! Hah.
wow, this was funny. totally going to do that next time
Well done.
Thanks! :)
Beep is still the strongest
Do you think you could make a video with a breakdown of what the best and worst weapons are and why? I feel like there isn't a lot of comprehensive information on this topic
this is some next lvl cheese man 👌🧀🧀🧀
Do you have any tips for making a good home gym for my characters? I just realized that attack training dummies are the least helpful part of my journey.
Day 61 on an 8 man squad on a tech 2 bench rn 😅
This guy is inventing the iron farm from.Minecraft but in kenshi
i was so confused at the end, why u were farming skill so fast. but the end breakdown once i finally understood ofc made it all make sense.
i had been doing something similar in my current playthrough. but with much less success. but i have been out and about survivng, i got mid tier toughness and str already. so makes sense now why i doing so much more dmg.
I'm glad the breakdown make sense! It is still possible to train but yeah you will hit a lot harder.
Perfect strategy! Frankie the best! But what to do meatbags who doesn't want to use robotics limbs?
Assassin's Rags give you 100% fist protection. But you still get some toughness training while you train martial arts. Good for meatbags.
@@armorpig Yep! You could just use Assassins Rags for no recoil damage. (Slightly less MA XP but that's fine) Let's say you were level 80 and 100% Encumbered.. With ARags and Legplates that would be 76 MA, with 100% Encumbrance it would put you to 15.2. If you wore Samurai Armour and Legplates that would put you down to 60 MA, with 100% Encumbrance you would be put down to 12. You would deal more damage as you don't have the .85x damage from Samurai Armour as well as your MA being a bit higher ofc but you would gain very little Toughness XP as a result. Oddly enough you still get Toughness XP even if you take no recoil damage.
Imo the most interesting aspect is the vertical tower climbing you showed.
Now, what does ai do if it physically cant get to people using crossbows?
It works in towns too! Like the Watchtowers in Admag :) I used it once in a run on stream to escape from the Sheks when I accidentally pulled too many.
@@FrankieWuzHere Got any advice for building the beds? Its a bit finnicky.
@@FrankieWuzHere Could you do a compilation of various times you used this kind of trick?
@@Uforianer Make sure the terrain is flat. Sometimes sections aren't great and won't stack. It's not too common though. Just keep trying to place them down if you find a spot isn't working.
This is actually wild how do you even find this stuff
rated 5 stars
Does the camp bed trick work on all animals or only the hostile one?
They need to be red at some point I want to say.
2:20 Im surprised you havent. Beak Things will always stay in bed, when you dump em in one, but white and black rillos, iron spiders (variants) and probably a few more critters i forget ALWAYS get out of bed upon loading the game. The only black rillo that doesnt is the one from the southern ants - war rillo - these stay in beds and remain hostile (so you dont have to get them out of the bed, poke them to make them hostile and throw them in the bed again). Very convenient, but impossible to acquire without pissing off the ants with an outpost first.
King wont stay in bed either. Neither will the great white and king rillo. Thats just Kenshi...
Hm.. I haven't noticed that behavior. It might just be because the way I found to get those to be hit-able doesn't require loading.
Very useful tip about the Southern Hive Gorillos! Thanks for that info. I can share a useful fact in return. When an animal is in a recovery coma and being held or in a cage, if you save/load the animal will have their Toughness (And other stats) treated as if they are age 1.0. This might seem useless but... Imagine you had the Southern Hive King and you somehow put him in a recovery coma. If you held him to carry him off somewhere, saved and loaded his Toughness would go from the 140-150ish it normally is after doing that much damage down to the 60s, meaning he would eventually worsen to death. I used this in my "Pacifist" run so he would worsen to death without us actually doing any damage to him.
@@FrankieWuzHere Whaaat? How do you get your "bed victims" to be hittable without the whole "get out of bed, aggro, grab and put in bed again" trick? That would save me SO much trouble, when my away team is... away... and the base crew tries to aggro one, fucks up and has to run away as a result.
The tip you gave isnt actually useless, since i will know what NOT to do in the future. Thanks. Ive had multiple instances, where i would pick up one or more of the unruly critters between saves, so id be able to put them in bed again and keep training after load, instead of having to deal with the mess they cause in the confined space of the second floor of the snailhouse... and there were a few times where id be tired with the game, id just save and quit, to then facepalm myself and go "Aw fuck! Now youve done it!" and have nightmares over it...
On mobile atm so I don't remember the timestamp but it was the part where on screen I put
No1 -
No2 -
For Black Gorillos. The few times I tried with them I did that. No saving/loading needed.
@@FrankieWuzHere Oh... well i knew this method. You made it sound a lot better than it is. Like a "force attack thin air" thing that would aggro everything currently in bed based on faction. Oh well.
@ Just discovered something interesting: if you catch an unruly animal (or robot - King) and it refuses to stay in bed or gets out of it instantly - dump it in a prisoner cage, and then put it back in bed. Doesnt solve the issue of aggroing it, but it keeps it in place. Tested it just now with the great white rillo, which just got out of bed and attacked my guys. Dumped it in the prisoner cage, and put it back in bed - seems to be staying there, and retains aggro to boot!
Wonder for how long, though...
(when i say "bed", i mean an actual bed, and not the bedroll)
I just had an idea; why not "speed running" maxing all skills (or go to 90/95) from zero and stream it?
If you done that already or something similar, please link it. :D
Also, side note. Just learned of a game saelig. its the closest thingi seen to kenshi yet.
Wait. Frankiewuzhere, but Frankie *is* here? Is this Schrodinger's Frankie?
Stop breaking the game lmao! Now I have to try that...
in which part of that map you are doing these?
In this one north north west Leviathan Coast.
@ thank you so much. subscribed
Thank you!
I think this only works with shopeless
I do not use slopeless. You can see my mods used in the description!
this is cracked LMAO
almost first :(
First comment, second comment, I love my commenters all the same.
@@FrankieWuzHere real
Delete this video
No u
homie cool exploit but just open up cheat engine at that point
To each their own.
Cheat? It’s an in-game, vanilla exploit. Do you cheese the hell out of the intended gameplay experience? Sure, but at least there’s still some work and time involved as opposed to editing values with zero challenge whatsoever.
Training on bed Beak things is already plenty cheesy. At this point just use cheats. Why bother with all this setup.
Because you can :)