Kenshi - Which Faction Can Succeed on Kenshi

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  • @arthurmiranda8896
    @arthurmiranda8896 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +492

    It's so weird how a 6 year old game made by a single guy, in a forgotten engine, can give SO MUCH content to be digested by the fans. This is the reason for loving gaming as a medium.

    • @donelkingii3738
      @donelkingii3738 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      The reason is that it is not tainted by "WOKE".

    • @perhaps1094
      @perhaps1094 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +60

      ​​@@donelkingii3738 Everything's fucking woke apparently. Don't even know what the word means anymore other than 'shit I don't like'

    • @srt7248
      @srt7248 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@perhaps1094 they don't even saying that lmao

    • @TheGamingSyndrom
      @TheGamingSyndrom 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@donelkingii3738odd, i'd say a game where one of the biggest factions is some religious nutjobs who opress strqngers and women in the name of their false god and the other being a corrupt capitalistic nightmare so far away from morality that they enslave people for being poor is a pretty nice criticism of modern politics

    • @PrinceNation
      @PrinceNation 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      @@perhaps1094it means anything polluted by Western progressive culture

  • @Haru-spicy
    @Haru-spicy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +353

    Skin Bandits:
    Economy (X) We humans have a thriving economy, particularly noteworthy for our distance from other commercial hubs.
    Political Stability (X) Savant has ruled our people with grace and wisdom for many years!
    National Security (X) Roving bands of helpful humans patrol all across the sonorous dark to prevent our fellows from having their soft, succulent flesh pierced by predators or assailants
    Personal Movement (X) Of course, friend! Go wherever you wish. Leave your fresh human skin here and we will take good care of it.
    Infrastructure (X) Not only have we repurposed old empire infrastructure, but we have added to it with amazing new technologies that elevate the lowly skeleton into a true union with glorious skin!
    Happiness (X) Who wouldn't be happy to be a soft, sticky human!

    • @ForestRaptor
      @ForestRaptor 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      Entirely valid. How can i join?

    • @ForestRaptor
      @ForestRaptor 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @MorganNull-uj6uu *LE GASP*

    • @gokhanvural8976
      @gokhanvural8976 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Ok,now it's time for skelly bandidos

    • @Ikdulo
      @Ikdulo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I cant argue with that lol. Especially because im in a pealer right now...

    • @Otto_Von_Beansmarck
      @Otto_Von_Beansmarck 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Counter point, no crabs

  • @leandrobenitez292
    @leandrobenitez292 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +112

    What about the Crab Riders?
    best armor in the whole game, hardest patroll squads in the whole game, massive amphbious armored crab armies,, their raids put the shek to shame, they hold the blood reavers, grass pirates, gurglers, skeleton bandits and skin bandits back and the first to settle in conquered territory with several prosperous bases across hazardous terrain

    • @MarzaButTube
      @MarzaButTube หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Crab raiders are slept on, and I think the reavers are too kinda. Like morally I prefer crab raiders, and they're def stronger, but reavers a strong 2nd choice for the outlands, with how strong and organized they are. Plus the presence of multiple, presumably self sustaining, settlements

    • @anonopossum
      @anonopossum หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      theyre not really a major faction though, they dont really have any political influence and arent really known of or talked about outside of their bubble in the pits

    • @anonopossum
      @anonopossum หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      if we got a video on factions that could realistically become major factions if that was their desire then i think crab raiders would be up there

    • @TheGrumbliestPuppy
      @TheGrumbliestPuppy 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@anonopossum Yeah, its a meme but I could see the Crabs potentially mirroring the Mongol Empire, especially with how similar the situation of their neighbors is to when Ghengis Khan took power. Weak, fractured, straining each others resources for decades.

  • @ShinyWitch
    @ShinyWitch 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +182

    There is that UC news pamphlet that talks about Sheks "flooding into the cities", I like to think those are all the Sheks that aren't able to keep up with the extreme warrior culture and want to live a normal life. A lot of Sheks probably emigrate because the kingdom is oppressive like the HN but in a different way. This might be the largest factor of their population crisis that gets talked about. I like to think Esata is like Moll and it was a lot more oppressive and xenophobic before she took over. She has to play a balancing act between the practical necessities of making a stable nation with the suicidal warrior culture. That's probably why she wants her daughter to learn from the foreign perspective of the player.
    For all of its problems it's kind of cool that the Holy Nation shows that a nation in Kenshi can provide a stable food supply with only free citizens farming. It's an example that proves the UC doesn't actually need slavery to keep everyone fed. It also shows that an entire economy can function without slavery since their numerous slaves only mine stones for holy statues. HN is evidence that defenders of UC slavery who say it's a practical necessity are wrong. I'm not an HN fan by any means but if you took only the good from HN and UC you could have a great civilization.
    I also understand that a few people like to troll or hint at extreme real life politics behind supporting HN on the forums, so I don't blame people for being suspicious or defensive or this topic being so heated sometimes. But obviously this video was made in good faith and I enjoyed it!

    • @batmansmith7422
      @batmansmith7422 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I mean, the HN practices slavery, just of half the population. Still requires it to function, unfortunately

    • @renadex4905
      @renadex4905 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      You forget that the holy nation has one of the most fertile kand in kenshi, its way harder to make food in a desert

    • @nothankyou3763
      @nothankyou3763 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@renadex4905why don’t they just farm cactus? Are they stupid? Jokes aside it’s true but I’d argue that the HN has a similar population due to the sheer number of patrols even though they don’t have as much land, and only okrans pride is fertile while every other place is also desert, the UC has fertile land like storms gap so they get less slack from me because they have way more land. This and the fact that the shek also live in a desert and actively look down on farming also don’t have mass starvation the UC get no slack from me.

    • @falsehq1831
      @falsehq1831 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The UC newspaper is 100% nonsense propaganda, it's slanderous and wrong on all other topics, doubtful it tells truths in regard to shek migration.

    • @seamusfinnegan1164
      @seamusfinnegan1164 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@nothankyou3763 Both the UC and Shek have starving populations though in the Starving bandits, and the starving UC underclass that gets enslaved. There is also very notable differences in what food is available growing wise, the amount of actual farms, and ability to buy food from shops and bars. Food issues are also specifically mentioned in-game for the UC in particular as well so while you might argue the Shek have a stable food supply, the UC definitely does not.

  • @randaru1527
    @randaru1527 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    The faction that is closest to real-world traditional sets of values and societal systems, which helped humanity on Earth persevere through hundreds of thousands of years of what's essencialy dark ages by modern standards, is best suited to persevere through fictinal dark ages too. Shocking, I know.

    • @lordomega9959
      @lordomega9959 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Based trvth?

    • @TheGrumbliestPuppy
      @TheGrumbliestPuppy 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Eh, only if you very selectively evaluate both the HN and real-life history. The kinds of civilizations that flourished over out hundreds of thousands of years are way more diverse than this one example. Many flaws with the HN's longterm viability were missed by this guy. 1. They're luddites, falling behind technologically at almost the same rate as the Shek. From the bow and arrow, to advances in metallurgy, to gunpowder, not to mention the countless advances in fields other than weaponry that exponentially increase a civilization's resource production, falling behind in tech dooms nations. 2. Being at war with every other great power on multiple fronts will eventually doom any empire. Rome managed that better than almost anyone, and it still eventually, repeatedly lead to crisis for them due to overexpansion and a surplus of forced labor displacing civilian jobs. 3. The HN already is showing signs of instability, with this vid handwaving the common, large roaming bands of HN citizens fleeing the nation. The amount of rebels you see in game is only rivaled by the Shek. 4. Similar to the Roman Empire, a lot of their success seems to be due to the quality of land they hold. When/if they ever experience a collapse of their climate like the WRE did, I find it unlikely they'll be able to survive.

  • @Deltasoldier89
    @Deltasoldier89 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    I love how games like this SLAP AAA gaming companies right in their stupid faces

    • @HeroInHisHead
      @HeroInHisHead  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      We're in a Gaming Renaissance and its thanks to indie companies #kenshi #kenshi2 #indiegame #shorts

  • @dongurnio1039
    @dongurnio1039 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +139

    Kenshi lore is really amazing a true work of love

  • @TheVampireAzriel
    @TheVampireAzriel 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +96

    I'm not generally a political guy, but I hope Kenshi 2 starts before the United Cities are united and we have more factions with intrigue and loyalties and whatnot.

    • @oblivionfan345Tony
      @oblivionfan345Tony 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      If I remember correctly I think they said Kenshi 2 will take place during or just after the collapse of Catlon's Empire.

    • @bartomolev6682
      @bartomolev6682 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      kenshi 2 will take place 1000 years before kenshi, it will be set somewhere around the times of the 2nd empire

    • @channelname9256
      @channelname9256 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes you can see based off of the art that the infrastructure is dissimilar to Kenshi 1, meaning it must be Second Empire old tech that UC never had

    • @michaelwilson5866
      @michaelwilson5866 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Isn’t it also suppose to take place on a different continent?

    • @bartomolev6682
      @bartomolev6682 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@michaelwilson5866 same continent but 1000 years ago, during or right after the collapse of the 2nd empire

  • @DonPetexX
    @DonPetexX 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +94

    Also the tech hunters have the tech game in lockdown every other nation either depends on them for that kind of stuff or can't compete.

    • @marley7868
      @marley7868 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      and while there production is reliant on others they make there own food have good stockpiles are nigh unassailable thanks to worlds end and since there a information based organazation if any one faction went hard on them they could just go around

  • @Haz04712
    @Haz04712 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +85

    Regarding tech hunter infrastructure I believe they have some hydroponic farms in worlds end. Other than that they would be entirely reliant on trade caravans.

    • @Haz04712
      @Haz04712 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @MorganNull-uj6uu In what way? I was referring to infrastructure to produce food.

    • @namanhlehoang9999
      @namanhlehoang9999 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Most of them are adventurer, not elite but decent enough. Their base are also scattered throughout the Kenshi Moon so i think they indeed relies on Trade Caravans for other supplies like medical supplies, equipments,… One thing I’m quite sure is they have very good logistic system, either by themselves or coming from Shinobi, Trade Ninja, Free Trader, Nomad, or even outsourcing it to Skeleton. Tech Hunter and Mongrel are my favorites.

  • @jackochainsaw
    @jackochainsaw 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    I think the Hivers are content. Happy is perhaps an alien concept for them. That said, I often find Beep to be naturally happy but then again, we could say that is just content.

    • @HeroInHisHead
      @HeroInHisHead  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Beep is Actually Uniquely Happy #kenshi #lore #kenshi2

    • @michaelcoward1902
      @michaelcoward1902 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Content is happiness for grownups.

  • @RubberKid100
    @RubberKid100 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Holy Nation being the most stable and prosperous makes perfect sense.

  • @LordVividColours
    @LordVividColours 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

    I don't think Bast was the breadbasket of the UC. In game dialogue talks about it being destroyed just as it started getting going.
    I think the colonisation of Bast by the UC was a desperate attempt to get the crops they need but in doing so started massive border friction with the HN and in addition I am pretty sure that the HN is trading food under the table to the UC for slaves through the Traders Guild because the Phoenix is not happy if you kidnap the Traders Guild leader. Also in addition The HN has a destroyed village where Okrans Arms open up into the Bast cauldron implying their own colonisation efforts thwarted by what was probably cannibal raids.
    TLDR Bast was new & UC are messing with economies and borders in the process stepping on alot of toes

    • @alissiarosadelaguatl6140
      @alissiarosadelaguatl6140 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      The UC breadbasket was the Hook. The southern uc is where the food comes from
      The reason there is starvation is due to the anti-slavers raiding caravans. Tinfist states that "the world gets darker before it gets lighter"
      Hes purposefully doing this.

  • @anthonyeaves4145
    @anthonyeaves4145 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I feel like a master assassin could probably shatter pretty much every major faction in Kenshi. Aside from decentralized groups like the tech hunters the loss of a leader would cause massive turmoil in most nations. The holy nation might be more convoluted but if you could kill the phoenix then kidnap the next one when they are chosen then leave it ambiguous whether or not they are alive the holy nation would likely never be the same.

    • @heitorpedrodegodoi5646
      @heitorpedrodegodoi5646 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      The High Paladins seems to assume the place for the Phoenix King until a new one is born.

  • @anthonyeaves4145
    @anthonyeaves4145 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I think what makes the holy nation strong is the fact that their leader has a purpose beyond themselves. Being the phoenix means your the spiritual guide of your people. While that could make a person as arrogant as the UC emperor the phoenix would have been raised believing that they have a mission they need to accomplish (combating peoples like the sheks and stamping out heresy). This means that the holy nation is much less likely to get a leader like Tengu than the UC is.

    • @heitorpedrodegodoi5646
      @heitorpedrodegodoi5646 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Not exactly, the Phoenix King is chosen at birth, he could very much become a lunatic like Tengu and no one would disagree.

    • @RubDdhd
      @RubDdhd 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@heitorpedrodegodoi5646 the Phoenix is groomed into his title,tengu was just a spoiled guy... he lacked what the phoenix had,lack of spiritual purpose, even if the next one was crazy, he would probably either end up as a madman going all in agaisnt his enemies or too good for him own good and starts accepting every race around, either way. definitely not a tengu

    • @griffgoldstein6378
      @griffgoldstein6378 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Tengu was....chosen by the noble's council, because he is a idiot.

  • @nyakita5830
    @nyakita5830 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    Such a good video!
    In fact, the answer was more than obvious, even despite the negative attitude towards the Holy Nation by many players.
    My preference for the Shek Kingdom is purely from a roleplaying perspective. The player himself finds the faction almost in a state of decline and through his actions can lead it to some kind of “prosperity”.
    Although it is due to the seizure of fertile territories, the expansion of the very borders of the kingdom and the destruction of enemies))

    • @polecat7377
      @polecat7377 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Morality aside, I think if most people were somehow magically transported to the Kenshi world - they would likely be happy to fall in line under the Holy Nation. Especially if they spent any time outside of it, and lived with those experiences.

    • @nothankyou3763
      @nothankyou3763 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m pretty sure the HN only really got as repressive as it is recently due to the current phenox, the only parts of bad stuff baked in to the HN is hatred of skeletons and technology, but due to what skeletons did I’m iffy on them since every skeleton alive was apart of the atrocities they did unlike everyone else

    • @StealingYourInfoDOTcc
      @StealingYourInfoDOTcc 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@polecat7377It’s obvious the HN is the easy choice, it’s just that online discord is dominated by perpetually online left wing males and thus anything against women is somehow an original sin, so much so they support skeletons and barbarian savages.

  • @Khan-jo1zg
    @Khan-jo1zg หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    In UC if you leave your property - you become someone else's property.

  • @runswithbears3517
    @runswithbears3517 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I think you went a little hard on the Shek, especially when it comes to their security. I would say Shek lands are relatively safe, owing to the fact that their military is so powerful. Just like with the Holy Nation, there are some roaming packs of nasties but they are relatively weak and sporadic.
    The Hivers have one massive advantage with regards to their national security, and that is the fact that their biology makes them extremely well-suited for survival in Kenshi.
    As for the Tech Hunters, I don't think they're even a major faction, in the sense that they are too weak to hold territory outside of their cities. While the cities are well-protected the environment around them is extremely unsafe. So I gotta disagree on giving them a 'x' on security and freedom of movement. They don't really provide either of those things, which is why they have no citizens. They just have little safe havens surrounded by a sea of nasty.

  • @zach8590
    @zach8590 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Hey man just wanted to say I have been listening to your stuff for a while and I really apperciate how detailed and interesting your videos are. I love playing kenshi while listening to these lore videos

  • @Danny.TheDog
    @Danny.TheDog 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    I think one of the best possible alliances is between the Shek and the Tech Hunters. And they would be a practically unstoppable force.
    They have a common enemy, they can trade with each other and they are very strong beings. Tech Hunters can provide better weapons and armor and Sheks can provide brute strength.
    It is a union between scientists and soldiers.

    • @achimkunisch8619
      @achimkunisch8619 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Basecely they wuld be germans.

    • @dantecolman2216
      @dantecolman2216 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bearing in mind that the ultimate goal of a lot of the shek people is to fight everyone, I do think that arming them would be some kind of suicide in the long run

    • @balticbvll2987
      @balticbvll2987 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      a society that separates its scholars and soldiers will have its thinking done by cowards and fighting by fools, the shek kingdoms fighting is already done by fools without the thinking part

    • @nothankyou3763
      @nothankyou3763 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The shek would never, they HATE anyone that doesn’t fight, making their own people second class citizens just for not dying in battle, and that’s under the “progressive” stone golem, the shek actively fought and murder everyone through out their history for no other reason than dying in battle, I really like the shek but they are terrible in most things. Honestly if the HN got their sh** together they would be a power house

    • @BobMcBobJr
      @BobMcBobJr หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Except that neither has (much) food production.

  • @spidermonkey4525
    @spidermonkey4525 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I mean cannibals seem pretty successful to me 😂

    • @l3esme568
      @l3esme568 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If we can call holy nations economy flourishing I think you can say the same about cannibals XD also security?? If Holy nation is safe because it's safe to be a male greenlander then we can say cannibals are safe because it's safe to the biggest cannibal economy??? Have you seen how many of them their are??? Plenty of meat to go around and that's all the economy they need

  • @TamaMochi678
    @TamaMochi678 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I agree 100%.
    Whenever there is a really harsh environment, fundamentalist stratocratic kingdoms do best.
    We see this in other fictional universes like Warhammer 40k's Empire of Man.
    But we also see it all throughout our real history.
    Luxuries like rights and freedoms can only be afforded when there is an overabundance of resources. This leads to trade routes being established, and the wealth being distributed more towards the lower classes, which then enjoy greater political capital, with which they can then negotiate more rights and freedoms for themselves.
    However, if every day is a struggle for survival, none of that is possible, and only rigid systems in which everyone has their place can achieve the necessary efficiency for survival. Such systems also only have very limited space for individuality, and everybody needs to have the same culture and believe structures.

  • @hkl2007
    @hkl2007 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Holy nation is just a typical ancient sedentary state, it's based on real societies so of course it will be efficent.
    Lots of food, lots of people and a committed population who believes in the imperial cult is what made every ancient empire powerful.
    But as long as the core territory feels under siege by cannibals, slavers and non-humans, their social cohesion will probably remain strong.

    • @comradesillyotter1537
      @comradesillyotter1537 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I disagree with this

    • @TheGrumbliestPuppy
      @TheGrumbliestPuppy 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@comradesillyotter1537 Why not? Even Rome couldn't keep up constant multi-front wars forever, but unlike Rome they're anti-technological progress. Rome succeeded for as long as they could partly by constantly having a technological advantage over their neighbors, as well as incorporating their enemies' people (and tactics/tech/etc when they made Rome struggle enough to impress them).

  • @wisegoongala4305
    @wisegoongala4305 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    The Holy Nation is one of the most stable civilizations in Kenshi but they’re running up against a wall.
    Rebirth is a recent project and the Flotsam Ninjas still have some ingrained religious intolerances. Meaning women becoming second class citizens, and the use of religious slaves happened under the current Phoenix.
    If religious doctrine continues to radicalize and divide their own citizens they won’t be able to keep up their war fronts. It’s why if the player helps the Flotsam Ninjas overthrow the Holy Nation they immediately lose territory to all of their neighbors.

    • @anthonyeaves4145
      @anthonyeaves4145 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I feel like if the next phoenix gets kidnapped or something and then their death happens at an unknown point in time then their religion would cannibalise itself even further

    • @lucasd.6746
      @lucasd.6746 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They would just elect another phoenix. The flotsam ninjas are just a few, and they get stomped easily by paladins. Also, population decline is not a problem for them. If a shek dies they lose an entire lineage, and the UC samurais are few and dishonest. The nobles might end up battle royaling themselves into numerous feuds. That said the HN's religion is probably their superpower, wich promotes their stability for all humans, not their flaw. I love em,​@@anthonyeaves4145

    • @Hoonters-goona-Hoont
      @Hoonters-goona-Hoont หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's literally doing a Taliban is what you're saying

    • @lucasd.6746
      @lucasd.6746 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Hoonters-goona-Hoont dude my comment about the HN was censored lol

    • @lucasd.6746
      @lucasd.6746 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Hoonters-goona-Hoont check it by filtering for "newest comments"

  • @UnCLePSYchO
    @UnCLePSYchO 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

    The irony of most of us destroying the Holy Nation, is we doom the moon of Kenshi to oblivion, death from cannibals, fogmen, they also seem to REALLY hate skimmers and raptors. There demise also brings the entire moon to the brink of starvation, once the current Phoenix dies of old age, someone less ... him... will take over and things will improve.
    I really like the Tech Hunters, yet they are heeled by their Machinist leader Iyo who has anyone that discovers too much bumped off (something that all skeletons pretend not to know) Tech Hunters are always the best thing you can run into in the wastes, which makes them more tragic.
    Great series btw.

    • @Boglorio
      @Boglorio 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      If you think the next Phoenix won't be as much of a zealot as his predecessor after being raised in the same nightmarescape created by said predecessor, you're simply wrong. Especially if he's raised by the same inquisitors and lunatics who have thoroughly infested the Holy Nation's entire structure.

    • @UnCLePSYchO
      @UnCLePSYchO 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      @@Boglorio The current Phoenix is the worst one they have ever had. People like to think the Holy Nation is THE bad guy. There are no real bad guy factions, no good guy factions. Destroying the Holy Nation, may feel good, yet it condemns most of humanity to starvation, the United Cities already lost their bread basket, the Holy Nation is more wealthy then it was, land and food wise, even the Paladins admit the current Phoenix is basically a monster. No easy solutions, no easy answers, also they are the only faction capable of stopping Cat-Lon if he decides to return, since their weapons are anti Skeleton, also remember there are those like Griffon looking for answers, on good standing with the Holy Nation, and nop Iyo to kill them if they learn the truth. Have faith brother, lest humanity's light be extinguished.

    • @Boglorio
      @Boglorio 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      ​@@UnCLePSYchO The current paladins admitting he's a monster and then enforcing his orders is why the Holy Nation is doomed to further corruption. If you think the society that runs Rebirth, a concentration camp where you build a pointless statue forever until you die isn't evil, you need to re-evaluate your morals.

    • @marley7868
      @marley7868 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      is it though? the shek can take over and it's fine hell there army seems to expand the rebel farmers are fully capable of making the united cities there's if they ally with the antislavers honestly these things are only a problem if the nations in question implode and subject the world the a grisly power vacum so not really a problem

    • @godofgods4173
      @godofgods4173 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sometimes salvation ain't as pretty as it seems

  • @Arthur_Grey34
    @Arthur_Grey34 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I figured the HN would do amazing with a question like this. The HN is by far my favorite faction, outside of the women oppression stuff they are the type of faction I love in video games with an organized humanity fighting off powerful outside threats. The slavery stuff of UC is also fun to play around. I like the friction their cultures give with the HN religion and slavery in the UC, it's fun gameplay navigating these issues rather than the generic stuff most games give you like with the Shek kingdom.
    Having your characters enslaved after a failed battle and needing to rescue them or escape is just fun to play around. With the HN stuff I like the friction that can happen with the religion stuff and racism (when it's not based on skin color, humans hating on bug men and skeletons is perfectly fine and logical!), the only thing I really hate is how buggy it can be with paladins running up asking me to hand over non humans when I only have humans in my party.
    The Shek are a boring faction imo, they just have some people that yap with nothing interesting going on. I feel like they needed to add something special to the Shek Kingdom that would give the player a little friction in an interesting way. Even Hivers ignore hiveless to give you a little friction, I find too few games are willing to give fun friction in games and tend to just have everything go the players way.

    • @comradesillyotter1537
      @comradesillyotter1537 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Its not perfectly reaspnable to be violently xenophobic, even in the context of Kenshi - whether it's the hivers or skeletons. Go about the world and you find plenty of the two operating shops and working, after all. Even the western hive itself is outward facing and trading, there aint much the HN has to buy from them though
      All that said - in the shek you do get heckled a lot by warriors. It almost feels unfinished bc fights never start. I imagine it would all feel more fleshed out if you got challenged to actual fights more often

  • @guntahnotarealname8817
    @guntahnotarealname8817 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I would be interested in a video looking at some of the minor factions. Obviously not all of them are worth discussing, but what would you say are Shark and the Dust King’s chance of survival long term?

  • @dantevalentine7649
    @dantevalentine7649 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Can't wait for Kenshi 2. Gonna roleplay Cat-Lon and commit genocide on the entire map lmao

  • @cqr4399
    @cqr4399 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    It would be cool a video about how the Swamp influences the United Cities and the world

    • @HeroInHisHead
      @HeroInHisHead  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Fun Facts about The Swamp #kenshi #lore #kenshi2

    • @cqr4399
      @cqr4399 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@HeroInHisHeadThats amazing man thanks!!

    • @namanhlehoang9999
      @namanhlehoang9999 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m curious too. Yamdu says Swamper help UC get rich and keep the nobles in check.

  • @CosyMatt
    @CosyMatt หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When the Hive Queen said “EEEHHH EHHE HHHH” I really felt that 😔

  • @jacobgoodrich6984
    @jacobgoodrich6984 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    your wrong about the united cities a bit, they do have a middle class of artisans and those who work for the trade guild

  • @siluda9255
    @siluda9255 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +88

    the truth most kenshi players don't want to hear is that holy nation is only villain in our modern world view.

    • @BFPerry220
      @BFPerry220 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, they are all bad. Every last group slaughter without mercy. Shek live to fight killing any who are not strong enough to fight them off. HN are Zenophobic and sexist. And my favorite and last major factions economy is based off slave labor
      Nobody is good in Kenshi, some just aren't as evil as others.
      I hate the HN because its difficult to be anything but a male human. I hate the Empire because if your poor they'll snag you up and enslave you. I hate the Shek the least, since you have to build on their land before they kill you, and they don't care about anything else.

    • @BFPerry220
      @BFPerry220 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, they are all bad. Every last group slaughter without mercy. Shek live to fight killing any who are not strong enough to fight them off. HN are Zenophobic and sexist. And my favorite and last major factions economy is based off slave labor
      Nobody is good in Kenshi, some just aren't as evil as others.
      I hate the HN because its difficult to be anything but a male human. I hate the Empire because if your poor they'll snag you up and enslave you. I hate the Shek the least, since you have to build on their land before they kill you, and they don't care about anything else.

    • @Mitsurugi2424
      @Mitsurugi2424 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      That's because they act like we used too a couple hundred years ago.
      UC acts like the end era of feudal Japan.

    • @oblivionfan345Tony
      @oblivionfan345Tony 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      True, only the abject luxury of the modern world allows us to behave anyway other than similarly to Holy Nation.

    • @SokkingBTtulaj
      @SokkingBTtulaj 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Slave camps for women where they are sentenced to hard labor in mines did not exist, bro.
      Also, we had some pretty good civilizations even in ancient times.

  • @ryanjones6384
    @ryanjones6384 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Minor point: World's End does have a hydroponics operation, two storehouses equipped for the purpose.
    Not exactly going to do more than subsistence with that, but given the higher than normal skeleton population there, it helps!

  • @tk-6967
    @tk-6967 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    4:36 I mean, there are the Holy Nation Outlaws who believe that the Phoenix has been corrupted or something of the sorts, but I guess they aren't that major either.

    • @HeroInHisHead
      @HeroInHisHead  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The Holy Nation Outlaws are Basically Just Escaped Criminals & Draft Dodgers #kenshi #kenshi2 #Lore

  • @paincult7121
    @paincult7121 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think that given the context of history, the happiness of a people does not necessarily mean that a civilisation is a success. Happiness of a people as a measurement of success, is in itself a value judgement.

  • @unknownself-kenshi
    @unknownself-kenshi 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Love this analysis, very well done and visually marvelous!
    I think the Traders Guild is the most powerful non-faction faction in Kenshi via controlling the currency. The grid shutdown and famine events would favor a group of people who make money based on reliance of the flow of goods/services via cats. Constant wars and conflicts ensure maximum opportunity to profit from price variances and keep people from destroying the major factions that the TG uses to their advantage - and factions are kept in check from their internal conflicts as well. I'm extrapolating this from my experiences in Kenshi and don't have references to back it up - but the logic is there based on what they're about.
    Prosperous economy - They own the economy, not for the average citizen but for people like Longen, et. al. Bartering does exist, but the majority of trade happens in cats (second to that would be specific trade goods). It would be interesting if there are multiple currency types in Kenshi 2 that end up being replaced/overtaken by cats, and debt could be interesting if integrated into the rest of the lore.
    Political stability - They foster political instability to consolidate their control over cats, thus it's a weapon for them. Longen put Tengu in power to maintain control over the UC and its economy. Sense of National Security - They have no sense of nationalism (or if they do, it's secretive/informal) other than getting more control over cats.
    Freedom of personal movement - Their lord is currency and thus they don't care about that.
    Infrastructure - They use faction infrastructure, therefore needing none of their own.
    Happiness of its people - They don't care, as any blame for misery goes to whichever faction is allegedly in control in that area.

  • @FrogRibbiton
    @FrogRibbiton 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I will point out that being led by one guy for so long could be as much of a detriment as a benafit for the HN...... less able to handle it when he eventually kicks the bucket.

  • @Arbaaltheundefeated
    @Arbaaltheundefeated 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    My guess? Probably none, or a Skeleton faction, since it seems highly unlikely to me that the moon in such a state can remain hospitable to human life for very long (well, relatively speaking, but you did specify "long-term" :D). When it has lost that much surface water but *not* through cooling leading to expansion of the ice caps, seemingly rather the opposite of cooling has been happening, that bodes... super ill. Global warming death-spiral ill, water evaporation causing increase in greenhouse effect causing increased evaporation... Only question is which happens first; too warm to live there, or not enough water left to live there?
    Though, even if we discard the climate angle, my answer would still be none of them... I think without player interference the Holy Nation would probably "win" the current wars, likely destroying any peer it has... but that still doesn't mean it's going to last, and I don't think it could. Maybe even *especially* without a great war to fight.

  • @lordrandom1631
    @lordrandom1631 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    What about the southern hive? They're have the unity of the western hive but are warriors like the shek, they also have King, I feel they have a good chance of taking over the world.
    Great video as always, keep up the good stuff! 👍

    • @MarzaButTube
      @MarzaButTube หลายเดือนก่อน

      They're basically just a more stable version of western hive, they don't have the same trade economy, but they're still self sustaining and mores secure, what with all the wandering squads. I don't think there's much danger in their territory either? There's like, gorillos I think

  • @TheDapperSaint
    @TheDapperSaint หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I would argue that the tech hunters have good infrastructure in the same way that the western hive does. Its very obvious that the tech hunters are able to use the tech they scavenge, which is why most of there cities are very well structured and built, and although they don't have much in the sense of roads, its arguable that roads are sorta unnecessary to a faction that is often off the beaten path anyway. Many of the other points against there infrastructure come from them simply being more of a giant guild rather than a roaring faction which I feel like makes a difference as they will always be connected to other factions to a degree making self sustainability (albeit they could use hydroponics as seen in worlds end) to not be as necessary.

  • @TheGrumbliestPuppy
    @TheGrumbliestPuppy 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Excellent analysis, and a real fun idea for a video. I agree with most your points, and overall the end conclusions (Shek are at the highest risk of collapse, HN/Hive are the most likely great powers for the next few centuries, UC are 2nd place). Just a few things I think you missed: 1. The Western Hive might make low quality items, but they're stated to be one of the very few groups currently producing robotics, or really having any kind of fabrication on any real scale. Crude robotics are miles ahead of no robotics. Similar to how the Catun smiths in the UC produce mid-grade weapons, but that's still significantly more advanced metallurgy than any other faction can currently achieve (except Skeletons, of course).
    2. While I agree that the HN is possibly the strongest contender, you overlooked a couple crucial weaknesses of theirs. Their dogma against technological progress is a major flaw they share with the Shek. While the HN is strong now, even the Roman Empire couldn't have maintained the dominance and constant wars on multiple fronts they did if not for the constant tech advantage they maintained over their neighbors. Additionally, they relied heavily on incorporating the advantages/people/science/strategies used by their strongest foes after conquering them. The Holy Nation actively burns that resource, rejecting it outright. That doesn't spell a recipe for long-term hegemony.
    3. This doesn't count for much since we're evaluating them based on what we see in-game, but the Western Hive definitely seems to suffer from being underdeveloped by the Dev. They only have 1 building model, and a pretty barebones society compared to the rest of the major factions. Even a eusocial species would need some level of internal "trade" logistics just due to geographic distance between resources. And the utter lack of defenses and being surrounded by predators is just something ants/hornets/etc do not tolerate in real life. Hell, even if their lives aren't valuable individually, you'd think they'd at least value preventing interrupts to their resources/production, as that's a threat to the hive. They defend their caravans and trade aggressively, which supports this, but at the end of the day its 1 dev and irrelevant to this comparison's rules.
    4. Honestly I think the Shek Kingdom is even worse off that you stated. I love the Shek, but they have *no* business having an ethnostate. They're an artificially engineered species basically designed for a caste system. It'd be like making an ant colony of 100% soldier ants. They'd die out within a generation. Even with their most forward-thinking leader in centuries (Esata), they're practically doomed unless they can form a symbiotic society with another race that can cover the Shek's weaknesses and let them shine as a warrior caste.

    • @TheGrumbliestPuppy
      @TheGrumbliestPuppy 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'd also argue pretty strongly against the idea that the HN citizens are happy. The male half, sure. The female half lives in constant terror, they get no choice about the religion. They aren't allowed to "just leave", there's a reason 70% of Rebirth's population are human females. You skimmed over the holy nation outlaws, but I think they're a pretty compelling argument against the HN being as happy or stable as you'd think. For women who don't want to be property, marrying whatever man a priest chooses for her, or face corporal punishment for even speaking without being spoken to, the only option is to flee. If they get caught, they get sentenced to death by hard labor. Hell, even for the men, if they don't want to follow that religion, or want a better life for their daughter, their choices are A. Suffer silently, or B. Exile.

  • @SendarionNevenir
    @SendarionNevenir 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I think Shek Kingdom's success depends entirely if they can adapt to Esata and Bayan's reforms or not. Because of their obvious nature I realize it is quite unlikely, but if they can gain some sense of tactics and planning on top of their martial prowess I think they can easily topple nations.

    • @hkl2007
      @hkl2007 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Simply being good at fighting only gets you so far, you also need the logistics and economy to consolidate the gains and gain a lasting presence.
      Otherwise its all one lost battle away from falling apart.
      The Shek need to start farming or they are screwed.

  • @OfficerIDPD
    @OfficerIDPD หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When you really think about it, the player faction is the best faction in the entire game. The only thing theoretically holding it back is that it's limited to 30 members (even though that's probably just a gameplay limitation)
    But imagine; Your faction can posess some of the most powerful technology still avalibe in the world, automated mines and refineries that only require 1 person to operate, hydrophonic plants that can grow in any enviroment as long as there is water, advanced copper alloy metal buildings to protect you from natural disasters, blacksmiths who can mass produce weapons and armor the likes of which are barely rivaled by any other smith in the modern day, medical tech that lets you heal any wound, repair any damage and make prosthetic limbs that make your people far stronger than they used to be.
    If you commit to doing research and toning your character's skills, your faction will live like kings compared to the average Kenshi citizen. The UC and the shek kingdom wishes it had anything remotely close to that, and the HN is probably too afraid of it or would consider it heretical

  • @SpaceEmps
    @SpaceEmps 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I know you had to cover just the main factions for time sakes but I was looking forward to seeing some of the smaller factions get a rating as well.

  • @garydezern5212
    @garydezern5212 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    0:39 well 3 of them might succeed, 1 maybe, the last 2...well they're creating their own graves. FN, Skelis and hovers have a larger chance of success. SK is kinda iffy, they tend to be chaotic good, HN and those other guys......nah, they're playing with huge pits of fire

  • @RyanRicardo-nw7fe
    @RyanRicardo-nw7fe 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Answer: MINE'S! (Then proceeds to be Beakthinged by day 12)

  • @jesusarmandocontrerasalvar9272
    @jesusarmandocontrerasalvar9272 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    UC is huge but we have much more shows of how powerfull HN is, the territory north is full of destroyed cities by the paladins and is said to happened in a single day, just to show how capable they are in every area , their only flaw is the slavery, being so agresive with other species is even needed in a world like kenshi when you dont know when something will go crazy

  • @ericcloud1023
    @ericcloud1023 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    your perfectionism is appreciated, don't give up on those "Y-Building's" just yet sooner or later their piece of the perfect settlement puzzle will be revealed!!! lol
    much love from California

  • @TheGrimjackfromCPT
    @TheGrimjackfromCPT 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Something that has always been on my mind about Kenshi is that if Fogmen are just hivers that have went insane cause they lost their queen and her pheramones kept them normal and part of the hive then wouldn't hiveless like Beep eventually turn fogmen and since allot of players would see killing all the hive queens as a goal in their playthrough wouldn't all the hives end up also turning which would be horrible for every other faction since allot more parts of the map would end up being like the foglands and some cities would fall and well in the holy nation it probably wouldn't take long for the people to turn on each other and the same would go for the free cities meanwhile the shek might be the best prepared for it since they are probably the only faction with their people united

    • @HeroInHisHead
      @HeroInHisHead  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hiver Reproduction in 60 seconds #kenshi #kenshi2 #gametheory #shorts

  • @orribirgisson421
    @orribirgisson421 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What is that bulky thing waddling through squin between 12:23 and 13:15?

  • @varlunmulland3992
    @varlunmulland3992 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video. I don't know how I got through it though without that music driving me absolutely nuts. The bass in particular, just a constant thumping, pretty much through the whole video... repetition is what I hate. I'm very lucky I just didn't notice it until the end.

  • @applepiepieapple5464
    @applepiepieapple5464 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I feel like the crab raiders would get at least 5/6 of these right

  • @Sgt_Leon
    @Sgt_Leon 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What mod are you using for that robot at 13:08?

  • @toma9452
    @toma9452 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I want to build a nation in shem that coexists with other nations (as far as possible in kenshi). Is there a way to bring people in other than recruiting them? (Vanilla or via Mods)
    I'd like my recruits to provide security an a basic amount of infrastructure. Apart of that it would be cool if the npcs would farm/trade by themselves

  • @gavinvick3592
    @gavinvick3592 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If a sense of property doesn’t exist for the hive, then how come we can’t use their beds

  • @iansomniac700
    @iansomniac700 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    If the only criteria was long term survival I'd have said the Southern Hive. Or the Dead Hive.

    • @Mortyrian
      @Mortyrian 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      How the Dead Hive? Once they wipe everyone else out they'll run out of food/ways to reproduce. But it won't get to that point, if they become that much of a threat the other factions will team up against them and wipe them out.

    • @iansomniac700
      @iansomniac700 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Mortyrian You positive on how they breed? I think that's still just theory.

    • @Mortyrian
      @Mortyrian 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@iansomniac700 I am not positive, but there is no sign of a deadhive queen.

    • @iansomniac700
      @iansomniac700 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Mortyrian Nobody knows. I just posted the original comment to see what folks thought.

  • @TheGamingSyndrom
    @TheGamingSyndrom 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Suggestion; instead of an asterix you could put the uncertain traits into brackets for future videos
    X / (X)
    just seems more selfdescriptive than
    X/X*
    if there is no textmark on what the asterix means

  • @colmortimer1066
    @colmortimer1066 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    What's odd here is when I play I usually chose to join the Holy Nation, the one most apt to succeed. My second most go to is the Shek, which seems the least likely to succeed. I did once make a free hive faction where I pretty much rounded up ever hiver I found, it was a fun unique game. I set up in the Howler Maze in the creator in the south, it took a bit to manage the crabs, and I got raded by random factions in the south, but the crabs and acid rain thinned out their numbers usually before they got to me, it was a very self efficient and rather isolationist style of play.
    I never really sided with the UC though, there does not seem like a lot of redeeming qualities to it. They do have some good shops, but you don't have to join them to visit.

    • @heitorpedrodegodoi5646
      @heitorpedrodegodoi5646 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Don't think the HN would succeed, though. Half of their population is fleeing, and the other half is either consumed by grief or really beligerant. Their obligation of tech will make them be left behind by other factions

  • @x-ani4061
    @x-ani4061 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    kenshi mirrors real life, in how every nation plans to "succeed forever", but all of them ultimately fracture or crumble for one reason or another, leading to a new governance for a period of time.

  • @ryanjones6384
    @ryanjones6384 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for being as objective as you could. I really do appreciate it, it makes the conversation far more engaging.
    Believe it or not, I don't actually require a 30 minute video about a video game to understand that slavery and oppression are terrible things.

  • @TheRevan1337
    @TheRevan1337 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Keep in mind that the United Cities have territories on the southern coast of Kenshi aswell, not just the desert.

  • @jameskelly945
    @jameskelly945 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    if you were transported to the world of kenshi tomorrow you'd want to live in the holy nation. simple as

  • @CoolBreezeHeals
    @CoolBreezeHeals 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Crabs!!!
    Crabs over here.
    Crabs over there!
    We love crabs!
    Everywhere.
    CRABS!!!

  • @greggwebb4872
    @greggwebb4872 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Found the spider foreman would really love to know the lore on this guy.

  • @olw3375
    @olw3375 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great vid as always

  • @Birbucifer
    @Birbucifer 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    this video needs CHAPTERS

  • @cqr4399
    @cqr4399 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Man thats exactly what i needed thanks

  • @anguishedcarpet
    @anguishedcarpet 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It's a question of resources given the fact that a lack of resources is the main issue in trying to civilize this landscape. The only logical choice here is Skeletons, they are long lived, easy to fix/repair and require NO food or water. They are bound to win any major conflict through their exceptional ability to engage in attrition alone. Add on to that that they can care the least about the general state of their land insulating them from the normally crippling damage of trading-post raids and I think you have a basically guaranteed winner

    • @HeroInHisHead
      @HeroInHisHead  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      A Skeletom Faction Wouldn't Succeed on Kenshi #kenshi #lore #kenshi2

  • @redfireeverstar2651
    @redfireeverstar2651 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Tech Hunters really aren't in the empire building business. However if they became more organized they could become a regional powerhouse.
    The Wester Hive could also rise to challenge the Holy Nation as a regional super power if the queen wanted to expand her territory. A fifth front could case a domino collapse.
    The United Cities will more than likely devolve into independent city states vying for control of the trade routes in the region.
    The Shek Kingdom I see collapsing into tribal warbands fighting with each other or being wiped out by the holy nation once they get the man power.
    The Holy Nation if a break in one of it's fronts fall to thier favor divert their attention to another front stablize the situation and slowly expand thier territory. I don't see them getting as strong or holding the same amount of land as the second empire, but they could rise to the status of Third Empire.

  • @roquerox13
    @roquerox13 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video. Unrelated question: Do you happen to use a reshade?

    • @HeroInHisHead
      @HeroInHisHead  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      TSUKI.V2

    • @roquerox13
      @roquerox13 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HeroInHisHead Gracias Jefe. Viva Okran.

  • @HDGamingSensei
    @HDGamingSensei 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good video mate.

  • @Talulah_Artorius
    @Talulah_Artorius 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    The problem with the holy nation is that same as the legion from fallout new vegas. They are incredibly reliant on their leader, the holy nation is the only major faction that crumbles immediately upon taking their leaders out, compared to the shek for example where you have to take multiple leaders out before the cities fall, since once one falls another shek takes its place and even before the events of the game take place a change of leadership has happened, same for the united cities, the death of tengu doesn't immediately crumble the entire cookie, not too sure about the tech hunters tho

    • @HeroInHisHead
      @HeroInHisHead  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Sort of..but it's more complicated. #kenshi #kenshi2 #lore

    • @Giorgal
      @Giorgal 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      That's actually a very good point against The Holy Nation's political stability. If you take out 3 individuals the entire nation collapses due to, what seems to be, their multiple enemies overwhelming them, with the Flotsam taking over the capital, the Shek taking over the rest of their cities, the Fogmen and United Cities destroying/taking over their military bases in the west and east respectively. With United Cities you need to kill a lot of nobles to put a dent on the faction, and the end result is that the peasants take over (though some cities fall to bandits iirc) and even the already politically unstable Shek Kingdom requires you to kill two (or even three) faction leaders before it collapses. The Holy Nation's stability might be an illusion after all, if the elimination of a couple of key individuals causes them to lose their lands that quickly.

    • @Talulah_Artorius
      @Talulah_Artorius 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@Giorgal Not only that but they are as suicidal and as kill thirsty as the shek they hate, if we assume gameplay is cannon, taking down the phoenix will trigger 2 wraths of god, each being lead by the other 2 inquisitors... so they actually hand themselves to you, if you already won in their home territory, what chance do they think they have ON YOUR territory?

  • @Flamme-Sanabi
    @Flamme-Sanabi หลายเดือนก่อน

    Gonna turn all of Holy Nation's X's into -'s.

  • @Khalodian
    @Khalodian 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I don't think the Holy Nation is as stable as it seems to be. It's technological level is going backwards, as seen from the nearby Holy ruins that have more advanced machinery. The current Phoenix is a long-lived and highly destructive one; part of a long-standing development on increased dogmatism. They are fighting a losing battle and that's their motif; lost territory, lost glory, lost honor, lost technology.. and now they are losing their vitality in their ambitions; every heretic is a unit of their economy to build their symbols of vainglory, in Rebirth.
    In the very mountains where they train their Phoenixes*, there is a Tech Hunter city, littered with old Phoenix statues! Mongrel, Flotsam, Hub - three hostile Ninja factions work against them, and they have no way of dealing with them. This is purposeful. HN wins on open fields of battle against the Shek, and can cause serious damage to the United Cities in Bast, but loses to subterfuge and underhanded tactics. HN is dying from within, slowly.. but surely.
    *HN mountain monasteries are sadly not in the game, but are mentioned.

  • @adamflaherty9909
    @adamflaherty9909 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think the Shek are heading in the right direction under new leadership. Considering they were almost wiped out not long ago and are at the time of the game a major faction suggests this.

    • @Arbaaltheundefeated
      @Arbaaltheundefeated 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's possible but it's certainly equally as likely that their change of direction won't last. When you tour their lands and cities you don't exactly get the sense that Esata has her people squarely behind her. Player intervention taking out Kral's Chosen and the Berserkers would probably help though. Fewer (loudly and violently) dissenting voices that way.

    • @walter1383
      @walter1383 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Arbaaltheundefeated Yeah, it really seems like a 'too little, too late situation' despite her efforts.

  • @AureliusDux99
    @AureliusDux99 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What about after a successful rebel farmer takeover? I wonder if the UC would become a better world after its fall

  • @corvusaflame713
    @corvusaflame713 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Here is your upvote and a comment for the metrics.

  • @Belcebuyamigos
    @Belcebuyamigos 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The holy nation has god on it's side. No brainer from a post-apocalyptic fiction scripture.

  • @smokejaguar986
    @smokejaguar986 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The first time i ever played kenshi i kinda spoiled myself and used a wh40k mod to make a squad lf space marines whos sole goal was to destroy the holy nation and control the island. I pretty much purged thier cities and destabilized the island leaving it vulnerable to roving gangs of cannibals i had to fend off. 10/10 game

  • @Doomblade3890
    @Doomblade3890 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I really enjoyed your analysis and was rather surprised to see the Holy Nation so well qualified to survive in the long-run in Kenshi. Just out of curiosity, what mods were you using? I think I saw a custom robot NPC roaming through one of the Shek cities and some custom Hive buildings, but was curious what those mods were.

  • @Zyzyx442
    @Zyzyx442 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    United Cities Forever!
    In the lore if remember correctly there is a reference that the old Emperor Anzai was assassinated by a plot orchestrated by Longen to control the Empire with the collusion of the Nobles. Disagree with you on their economy, UC do have a thriving middleclass of shop owners and what could be considered kulacks or successful farmers. Because poverty is illegal which means that the commoners are not poor, if they were they would be enslaved. That doesn't mean you're wrong in that there is no real economic protection, if you're not on the good side of the nobles or trading guild then you will most likely lose your property very fast and agree that they would fail their happiness criteria with peasent revolt, but not all peasents are revolting and not all commoners are poor because like stated poverty is illegal. Can't say I or you are 100% right, it's only a point hope you will take into consideration when thinking about the UC society.

  • @Tony-nt5zd
    @Tony-nt5zd 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Who would win, two massive authoritarian regimes or a one-armed nobody with a grudge and a dream.

    • @Arbaaltheundefeated
      @Arbaaltheundefeated 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Usually the one-armed nobody, but that's because I can't resist my Shek runs.

  • @RevantheBlack
    @RevantheBlack 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Praise Stobe!

  • @MrSquareNeck
    @MrSquareNeck 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    7:50 The way I see it, this is wrong. We can legitimately say that 50% of the Holy Nation is constantly unhappy. All women in the Holy Nation are oppressed (it’s even in their holy book, women are agents of Narko or something). They live under the rule of Men (literally), and that is why so many people in the Flotsam ninjas are women (there’s even a potential lady follower that will only join up if talked to by another woman, because she suffered so much abuse by every single person with a ding ding in the Holy Nation on a daily basis).
    Yeah dawg, I’m calling you out

    • @BalrogRoke
      @BalrogRoke 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I thought this too

    • @finallychangedit4926
      @finallychangedit4926 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      you cannot legitimately say that 50% is constantly unhappy. some of the woman are perfectly happy being oppressed, or at least pretend to be for the sake of protection.

    • @heitorpedrodegodoi5646
      @heitorpedrodegodoi5646 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@finallychangedit4926 If they are faking they are not happy, also so much paladins report that woman are fleeing that they might also have a birth colapse.

    • @hkl2007
      @hkl2007 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      These are not modern women, they are raised in this religion and culture.
      They have been told by everyone, including all the women in their life that this is how it should be.
      They have no internet or political organisation or anything to compare it to.
      Historically, women were more conservative and religious than men, becouse they are ususlly more social so they go to greater lengths to uphold societal norms.

  • @BobMcBobJr
    @BobMcBobJr หลายเดือนก่อน

    Anyone who has played Kenshi knows that the bandits are NOT kept in check.

  • @nullifier_
    @nullifier_ หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    i hate to agree, but yes, The Holy Nation is, and has been, the most successful faction and even the game explicitly says that by telling the tales of the Holy Phoenix. HOWEVER, the taller you stand the more you get unwanted attention - the societal model of them is not sustainable at long term as they will exile anyone which they deem unworthy (did you ever wondered what happen when a paladin lose a limb?) so the high scoring is ironically a survivor bias (everyone is happy because all the unhappy are ostracized). So, as it's happen in the real world, your neighboors problems eventually start to become yours too. Not to mention their absolute despise of technology and science & progress. Great video :)

  • @fumarc4501
    @fumarc4501 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why was the Bugmaster creating such a large army?

    • @HeroInHisHead
      @HeroInHisHead  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why is The Bugmaster Building an Army? #kenshi #kenshi2 #lore

  • @andresyepes367
    @andresyepes367 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I did figure some but not others, specially the Tech Hunters and the Western Hive in terms of happiness of its people. Cheers.

  • @HS-31
    @HS-31 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I disagree on 2 points you made with the holy nation.
    1. The fact that they at war on all fronts should be an automatic no on national security.
    2. Freedom of personal movement should also be an automatic no when half of your population can't even legally own property, let alone "leave it behind".
    My first 'no spoiler' playthrough was a greenlander female. Trying to create an outpost in HN territory ended that run. I've destroyed HN every playthrough since.

    • @geonn0k56
      @geonn0k56 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This, and also I'll like to add that national security to the hive is the security of the queen, bc that's how the hive works

    • @HS-31
      @HS-31 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @geonn0k56 True. Also, no one except holy nation would even attack the hivers. They are the lovable traders that don't really offend anyone... although they can be annoying when they get over zealous about selling stuff to you.
      I also forgot to mention that even though the HN might be doing well in their war on all fronts for now, if they lose on ANY front, they could collapse on ALL fronts. As demonstrated by my game where all their territories are now owned by Shek, flotsam ninjas, and UC

    • @Randlelikesdogs
      @Randlelikesdogs 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I disagree if your wining on all fronts then I think it’s a yes

    • @HS-31
      @HS-31 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @Randlelikesdogs That's because they HAVE to be winning. If they lose on a single front, it could cause a domino effect of collapsing on all other fronts. That does not sound secure to me, that sounds like balancing on a knife-edge.
      Edit to add
      The front most likely to collapse first is the UC.
      Just comparing their military might with the mid-level units:
      -Holy sentinel level 37-43 stats with ok armor buy bad limb protection
      -Samurai gate guards 52-58 stats with good armor but weapons that suck against armor
      That's semi-even because of weapon choice, but HN units are gonna be losing some limbs

    • @KarmaYKZ
      @KarmaYKZ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ´´My first playthrough was a greenlander female. Trying to create an outpost in HN territory ended that run. I've destroyed HN every playthrough since´´
      Oh my God! i´m so mad! Why they treat women like that?! they are the WORST!
      Yeah, we know why you Hate the Holy Nation... 😂😂

  • @tlrlml
    @tlrlml 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think your analysis of the Shek is a bit sketchy...
    You titled your video 'Can', not 'Have'. (And, note, I have no personal favorites among _any_ of the factions (listed or not)) With the Shek there might be a lot of 'if's on whether they 'Can' succeed, but that prediction should take the ifs into account. Your analysis only takes in to account what they currently 'have'.

  • @HaalvarBrandGoods
    @HaalvarBrandGoods 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Sad that for the skeletons all the answers are no with the last one of happiness being a hard NOOOOOO

  • @miguelrodriguez-pineroriva6713
    @miguelrodriguez-pineroriva6713 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Kid name ceed:

  • @SpaceEmps
    @SpaceEmps 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I really think tech hunters should have been replaced with cannibals or one of the swamp factions. Tech hunters barely even qualify as a faction like the others present in the video.

  • @xscreade2
    @xscreade2 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Whats your reshade preset ?

    • @HeroInHisHead
      @HeroInHisHead  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      TSUKI.v2

    • @xscreade2
      @xscreade2 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HeroInHisHead thx

  • @griffgoldstein6378
    @griffgoldstein6378 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Holy Nation, Best Nation

  • @pacopajas3264
    @pacopajas3264 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    for sure the hive and the robots.

  • @landry6788
    @landry6788 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I think the United Cities have more chances of succeeding than the Holy Nation. Two reasons:
    1. The UC are an economical powerhouse. We are not looking at whether their economy is ethical or fair; it works very well for an elite - just like in the real world, and such societies tend to thrive the most, even if all society/system eventually collapse.
    To a certain degree the Holy Nation is trying to do the good thing, and be there for all its citizens - who abide to its rules, but that's precisely why the HN can't spread wide; they can't sustain that approach on a very large scale; remember there is only one true leader, which is fine with a relatively small or average empire, but not fine with a bigger one, not long term. Which leads to my second point.
    2. The UC is more flexible than the HN. The nobles may seem to do whathever they want, or Tengu doesn't seem to have real control over all of the UC, but it's just like any decentralised systems. It's not a dictature, and that's why they have more chance of survival. The UC can adapt, survive and eventually thrive despite the paysan revolt. How? The UC and especially Trader leaders just have to share some of the wealth with the heads of the revolt, or just get rid of them (asssassins). They are a pragmatist bunch whose only interest is profit - not slavery or unfairness: PROFIT. Even if the nobles are overthrown, the people who will replace them will do just that: replace them at the head of the UC. The United Cities will remain. Remember it's Kenshi, it's all about doing whatever is necessary to survive.
    The HN on the other hands, as it's shown on the video check all the boxes on paper; it almost like a perfect political system experiment. But if you cut their head it all crumble. No one can replace the Holy Pheonix. No one that has not been carefully selected and prepared for that role. Same, if the HN tries to expand behond its current borders, the backclash will be fatal. Remember again, it's Kenshi, and most of the population of that island is fiercely independant. Yeah there are a lot of slavery going on, but it's mostly for profit - that's unfortunate I know - it's not because those enslaved people were born with certain traits. Also maybe half of the population of Kenshi doesn't fit the HN standard, there are a lot of people with horns, robotics, etc. and just as much people who don't believe and don't care to believe in the Phoenix, or go to church every week. They will fight for their freedom, the HN will drain its energy to keep them in check - remember it's their way or nothing, they don't adapt, and their system which is "nice" on paper won't be able to sustain itself with wars on all sides.
    Just look at our current world or our history. Religious empire can shine for a short while but either they get corrupted or they crumble. The safer way for religious powers to survive is usually behind the scene. It does better a backing the power in place rather than being that power. In a world such as Kenshi the most ruthless and the ones who a ready to bend the rules, and who are seeking profit - often at the detriment of others - will succeed.

    • @oblivionfan345Tony
      @oblivionfan345Tony 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Societies where the elites thrive at the expense of the populace do not succeed in the real world though. You're actively living in the collapse of the Western World because of it.

    • @4ZRA3L562
      @4ZRA3L562 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is why the Uc would be better worth taking down if there ruler was tyrant

    • @Arthur_Grey34
      @Arthur_Grey34 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I disagree, this was not a question who would be the best for Kenshi (as in controlling all of it.) but rather what faction could succeed and that's what the HN has done for a fairly long time.
      The HN has done well for themselves these last 1000 years, they do need a new Phoenix as this one is too harsh on women and that's caused issues but overall they are fine, stable and a strong nation.
      They don't need to continuously expand to be a successful nation, the land of Kenshi simply does not support it for any faction. Their society is not as advanced as others so all they really need is food and steel, and they have great excess of both, their economy does not work the same as the other factions.
      The HN also has leaders other than the Pheonix otherwise they would not have lasted 1000 years. The new Pheonix is simply groomed into the role while the churches leadership continues to run things as always. So yes someone can replace the Pheonix, himself as once he dies a new child replaces him. Rather than nobles like the UC the HN has members in their church run the cities.
      Lastly it does not matter if 1/2 the moons population does not fit with them as they are not a part of the HN or in the HN lands. Those that disagree with the HN leave their lands one way or another.

    • @hkl2007
      @hkl2007 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The UC is poor, they are a feudal state like the HN with less fertile land and lower population.
      Slavery is also terrible long term for the economy and the HN only use slavery as some sort of punishment.
      Slaves in agriculture in an agricultural economy is awful for poor farmers.

  • @SirConto
    @SirConto 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'd argue a few points about the holy nation:
    "Growing and prospering economy": prospering? - sure, by kenshi's standards. Though on your point that there's hardly any poverty there - they do have A LOT of starving bandits roaming around.
    Growing? They don't seem to have grown much in the last one thousand years. They're the same feudal society they've always been. And with their hatred of technology, I don't think that's going to change. Ever. They're the type of civilization that can spend an eternity not changing at all, unless outside forces force them to.
    Happiness? - I don't think their women are very happy, and that's half the population.

    • @henriquekuesters6766
      @henriquekuesters6766 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Man, face it, out of all thebfactions they are the most successful one

    • @johnvailord5657
      @johnvailord5657 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Barely adequate arguments for Kenshi's universe.
      A country that is able to reproduce, feed and defend itself is already successful. A country that is also politically stable, able builders and ambitious conquerors is dominant power.
      In the scenario where both UC and Shek is at risk of collapsing, Holy Nation would have tremendous military power freeing from one of their main fronts, that will shift the balance of things on any front they'll focus next in their favor.
      They are obviously dominating power on the moon right now.

  • @Alvarezpl
    @Alvarezpl 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Praise the Okran!

  • @SrLoueiz
    @SrLoueiz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    In my opinion the shek with Esata have the best chance, they are strong genetically speaking, they have some prejudice but at least they trade with everyone and if they push the HN they will get acces to some fertile land, the only problem is if Esata dies or the HN push them back.

    • @HeroInHisHead
      @HeroInHisHead  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The Shek Can't Push Back The Holy Nation #kenshi #lore #kenshi2

    • @SrLoueiz
      @SrLoueiz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@HeroInHisHead #stoptheHNpropaganda

    • @HeroInHisHead
      @HeroInHisHead  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @SrLoueiz tell them to stop not me lol. I'm just a delivery boi