Be Careful Using Figma's New Features...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ค. 2024
- Well I didn't expect this, but Figma's AI stuff is...concerning. Love Andy and you should check his shit out.
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the idea of expecting AI to be innovative is crazy to me
it cant, but try to tell that to people
ANI? Yeah, it isn’t innovative lol - AGI, maybe, possibly? But ASI (if it is even possible?) probably is possible for it to be massively innovative.
@@proxy3386 "possible"?
It couldn't even be considered superintelligent if it wasn't able to be innovative...
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@@proxy3386 AI is just a mathematical tool created by humans. It makes predictions based on the data we feed it. It can't be innovative or make new discoveries on its own because it doesn't have any special abilities beyond what we program into it. Plus, it doesn't have free will, so it only does what we tell it to do.
Oh btw, this answer is from GPT4o
Ah so generating basically one to one rip offs from Apple's designs is bad
but doing the same with individual artists is alright
exactly hahaha the hypocrisy, from these corporations is crazy, and yea they say ai is to speed up work but it's more to get rid off designers completely. That's just my take 🤭
TBF, those artists are paid to produce work that is explicitly going to be used for the LLM. I don't think that's really a big issue, as long as it's explicit commissions. The real issue is when they just update their ToS to include using existing works for LLMs
because apple can sue them to oblivion while an individual artist cant do shit.
Adobe who intended to do so received more hate than figma did. However, adobe's attitude is really bad when it comes to apologize and cut off their criminal actions. I think ripping off individuals' work is much more worser, sinful and criminal than ripping of a company.
Who has the most money to pay lawyers? That is ALWAYS the bar.
Developer: You took my code? Did it work?
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I can't see what's so outrageous here.
An LLM designed an app that looks like an existing app? That's what LLMs do.
I'm sure you could do it in v0 with enough effort
The tile design looks like a rip off of Samsung's Weather Widget/App
BREAKING NEWS: Vercel's v0 rips off Samsung weather app
This gets to the heart of a problem with copyright and patents especially as computers have sped up the process. Take the weather app. It might be a large number, but there are finite ways to show temperature. Eventually you will hit a point where it isn't possible to create something "unique". What happens when a company gets ownership of all possible music combinations in 30 seconds?
Not just that, but it has to be _good,_ too. There really aren't a lot of ways you can make an 8/10 or better design for a weather app designed primarily for smartphones being held vertically. That is a _lot_ of constraints.
My Poco's (Xiaomi's) Weather app looks pretty similar, too. And everywhere it deviates from Apple's design is just a straight downgrade. If it was actually well made, it would necessarily have to be even more similar
someone actually did that to try to stick it to the litigious record labels. Noah Rubin, Damien Riehl coded software to make "music" with as many combinations of notes as possible in order to declare it all creative commons or own the copyright and give it away for free.
OF COURSE the industry lawyers found a way to thwart them (because they didn't think of it, first, I'm sure).
Why is it concerning that they trained on Apple Weather, when all AI companies (including Apple) think they can just train their models on "the open web"?
If you can look at it, it's right there for the taking (according to these companies).
What is a modern weather app supposed to look like?
He actualñy shows the example of the Not Boring's website App Weather. Pretty cool stuff. And then shows another example of an app created by another AI tool that doesn't look like exactly the Apple Weather App as well.
Google's App is the best
I know, common to have coloring for good to bad = green to red, locations of temperature, etc. There are so many conventions of information hierarchy that most weather apps will look familial, unless you want a 'weird' design that many won't understand.
Did you actually watch the video? There's an amazing example of a weather app in the video itself.
that's the selling point of the feature, bring it back.
ai is literally the 'you can copy my homework but just change it a little' the meme..
except its copying EVERYONE's homework, minus express permission.
I've said it for some time now, generative AI for creators: (designers, illustrators, artists) is still at least half a decade early. If there's any demography to go up in arms against gen AI - that's it. There's a lot of warming up to happen and the last place you should be bringing it into first is the same place this demography exists. On the other hand, I think design as a field is the least automated field and turning on AI at this point might be a bad call in the end.
I dunno man that v0 generation was kinda similar - Not to disregard your main points which i find acurate but that initial v0 test looked pretty 'apple-like'. The subsequent test where it came out different is a great point however.
Do you design for work? I am not a designer but have done a lot of design, and I see it as close enough to Apple’s design to be a concern, and I am guessing your answer will be “no.”
I don’t think Apple deserves more protection than individual artists, but things are inherently unfair like that.
I think generally we don't have enough data samples for training app UI interfaces XD.
My problem is that non designers in corporations will start thinking that ui is the same as ux just because figma can pop design with a quick prompt.
Erm what the figma
So when it trains on your data it will rip off your designs for someone else, and you will never know
This was explained really well.
What is a bit alarming is that the AI might take stuff literally based on what it reads or are there checks for that ? for ex the unique app who and how would the human decide its actually unique and pass it off to the ai with that attribute?
Do people feel boxed in with concepts thrown out with the AI?
What software are you using for drawing the explanation? Looks great.
Not wanna support AI in general I think 99% of the AI features out there are garbage. But isn't that normal. A design that has proven to be good gets copied and slightly modified. That happens all the time even without AI. Especially in times of UI Kits where everything looks kinda similar.
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"Ripping off Apple's design." So basically... muted colors, sanserif fonts, rounding the corners of all quadrilateral shapes, adding a few graphical hieroglyphs... and nothing else?
Yeah, I don't think it's possible not to rip of Apple design. It's like saying minimalist interior design is ripping off of Ikea.
Anyone know what software was used to explain the concept? Thanks in advance..
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@@nanimadhav8470 thanks a lot
I used to work for a year book company and my job was to coppy layouts from other year books. the few artists this company highered did infact cop the Apple Weather app
Even better that NotBoring were talking at Config
Can you copyright claim a clone app/ design? As far as I understand you can copyright actual design files, specific logos or specific code.
Why can't these developers just pay a designer on Etsy?
I'm a dev who likes using figma to design my hobby projects and mostly self-learn design stuff from TH-cam here and there, ai design tools would be great for a starting off point since I don't spend 8 hours a day in figma.
I tried looking for a pro designer to pay to improve my shitty logo once and it was too much work to find someone good and pay them honestly 😅
And no, my hobby projects don't make any money.
Yeah, or their local barista?
They're not boring (Dylan's) but they're close to being *not* usable at all.
That isn't a sign of good design.
why is training on a jpg of a previously existing app questionable ?
I would expect that the AI is using the styleguide attributes of the design, like the font, font-weight, line-height, margin's, padding, colours & type of component/element etc... Then it could create unique designs without needing to copy anything. But they should just make a free tier where part of the terms are that you allow permission for the AI to be trained on your designs in your existing Figma projects. Pay a subscription for newer better features and to disable this behaviour. Companies that care will pay, ordinary users probably won't care and would prefer free limited usage of the AI.
artificial stupidity isn't even a meme anymore
Hot take, in the long term, design language and style are not going to be able to be protected from generative AI.
6:17 yeah, I see, enth......irely.
they did not think it properly enough that most ai are trained in someones "codes from the internet" not generating its own , just my 2 cents
This is one of the instances that demonstrates how these so called "AI" features are stripping off people's work, Somebody or a team of talented individuals studied and worked their asses to become skilled enough and get a job and develop that solution and so called AI just copy work is just insulting. Though I'm less knowledgeable about the backend functionality of generative AI, but training LLM off stuff owned by people without their consent is unethical, that's what I know for sure. These tech companies have an easiest way to get away with everything. Its like an easy an ON-OFF switch for them. Isn't there any authority to govern this?
that's a red box
I would expect Figma designs dataset to look Apple-like. Just because the designers tend to love Apple.
I've seen countless desings, trying to look like Apple
What are the odds that their data is trained on licensed Apple designs? For Apple, they might WANT "weather app" to be associated with THEIR weather app. Continue to communicate themselves as the standard. If it were a clone of Carrot, that might seem stranger to me than the AI cloning one of the most objectively popular weather apps on the market today... (not saying it's "right", but also not at all surprised by the results)
In terms of the "ripoff" dilemma of AI, I have the *least* qualms of an AI that steals from a Trillion Dollar Compay lol and I suspect that you'll get more diversity over time as it trained on more users (assuming people opting into that). Realistically, very few people would want to opt into the training so I don't know if that would pan out, but in theory, if you increase the dataset (like you say in the video) then you'll get better stuff.
This makes me think of how almost everyone has a free Gmail account because they let Google "read" all of their emails for data farming. It's unlikely that Figma would pay you for training, but I can imagine a FREE Figma version with the training turned on. That would be kinda cool. (Before the replies come in, I pay for Hey email. I'm a bit of a privacy pessimist where I don't disagree with people who are unhappy about the data scraping, I simply recognize that we have already allowed it to happen for more than a decade.)
And Figma will solve this provoke by training on every design for every customer that doesn’t opt out of their AI platform in a few weeks.
I kinda both agree and not? The same layout isn't really a rip-off, it is? Doesn't apple even promote this with their design guidelines, so common elements would be in the same space, and thus familiar to users?
and with weather specifically, there's only so many ways to display the same exact type of information, with most graphs being standartised. I dont really see the issue, sorry.
Not all weather apps are the same! Look, I'll prove it by providing one example app, the primary conceit of which is that it doesn't look like all the other weather apps.
Make sure to change the homework so it's not an exact copy
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Training = ripping of work from human designers and not paying them. Just like what it does with music.
Designing a weather app sounds like a lot of fun. Why would anyone let an AI do that for them? Maybe look for another profession if you need/want an AI to do this for you...
There’s nothing wrong with the AI’s output. AI is supposed to learn from existing systems. If it creates the same design as an existing system, just prompt it to make the changes. Some try too hard to be seen as smart😂. Figma should have just ignored the guy’s complaints and shouldn’t have taken the feature down. There are many people hallucinating issues all the time, they’ll always find an issue with something
Are you an AI?
thank you Figma
They are practically nothing alike, wtf do you mean???
2:28 Am I being pranked right now? There literally isn't even a severe weather alert on the AI's stuff! Much less them being in the same section...
I disagree. I think they are very similar, but so many Weather apps look exactly the same.
Are you so used to boring, cookie-cutter designs that you actually think those designs are all distinct?
Will be interesting when 1000 Figma users want's a Green app and they all end upp with same Figma solution.
I like how Field insists that they used their own designs to train the model and it just so happens to repeatedly spit out Apple clones. Did they use one design and that one design was a direct ripoff?! Ridiculous... and of course they only feel the need to adress it, because they are afraid of Apples lawyers. If they had been slightly less lazy and stolen designs from indy-developers, they would have just ignored the complaints.
It its just like every other LLM feature coming out right now: hastily trained on other peoples works, untested, and its best usecase is "copyright-infringement with plausible deniability". God I have soured on this whole AI bs-train, at this point any company advertising AI features joins my "not interested in making a good product" list
Gotta admit I don't watch Theo cuz I don't like the format of his videos and the stuff he does. I like primagen way more in this regard. But somehow this video got on my home yt page so I thought, I would give it a try.
But I think this is the most boring video from Theo I saw, bro its a mobile design and it's a fricking AI. The AI has to learn and train on some material, the same as the designer that will ultimately design the product. In design schools you learn basics, copy others and improve on successful stuff others made or make your version of something that was already made. In the real world, most designers take a screenshot import it to Figma make some changes so it's not so obvious and then "bem" a design.
Plus the design shown does not look the same and it would have been ok to use in your app. How would you design a weather app? It will have a UV index with the same colours cuz it's a fricking uv index. Sunset and sunrise are in most apps the same. Like, if this video is about "Oh no AI designs the same thing a lot of other companies design if I input a generic prompt???! Oh no!" then wtf? AI is just repurposing work from other successful designs, somehow trying to come up with something. But y all expect something "creative" out of it? AI is shit and will be shit for the next couple of years. Now its only quality is in using instead of Google search, rephrasing sentences and generating somehow acceptable graphics.
This video just confirmed why I don't like watching Theo. His videos are mostly without his unique perspective. It's just like he only reads the article.
Sorry had to stop watching after 2mins.
you dont watch theo's video yet you conclude this is his most boring video that means you watch some his videos and some of them looks fun 😂😂 dude if you only watch more than 2 mins he talks about training material just like you said 😂😂😂 that's why there's something wrong with you
@@primostasis I had saw theo's videos on primeagen reactions and sometimes these types of "bait" titles pop up on my recommended page.
Often times I am too drunk to see that its theo and not primeagen and watch few minutes of the video, until I gladly go watch something else and pop another shot.
If theo's video can get me to don't like it after 2 minutes that's something wrong with the format.
If he is after those few minutes not just reading the article like a robot, and has some valid arguments maybe from his experience hit me up and I will give it a try on 2x speed.
I love how AI consistently proves itself to be a tool almost exclusively for laziness and theft (especially lazy theft). Worst of it all is that I've actually had it have practical uses. I once used Vibe, a free tool for generating recording transcripts, and it did a pretty good job. So there IS an use. It's just, you know, very niche and plenty far from the mainstream use that got pushed down our throats. So yeah, even if there are actual uses, by now I just want this entire industry dead and buried.
AI is theft? Please excuse my shocked Pikachu face
Wish people cared about stealing from open source as much as trillion dollar corporations.
lol figma is cooked
i don't see a problem with this. Many people copy other peoples design all the time
While I agree AI will not be innovative. Using Not Boring app as an example is the definition of cherry picking.
Use Ligma instead.
Just like Microsoft did to Apple with MS-DOS 😂. Or, the AI it’s just lazy to develop something unique from its reference.
that was not very figma of them
terrible comment
im a designer all my fav designers became political activists in 2020, I no longer have fav designers xD
It have all the same features and bland modern flat design - no wonder it looks similar. With these limitations every designer would end up in the same place. This is basically clickbait.
they copied apple weather app? who cares....
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