5g "Fast Lanes" Are Coming. We Need To Stop Them.
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Net Neutrality might be a nerdy topic nowadays, but it's still a super important one. 5g "fast lanes" threaten the free internet. I think it's important to stand up against it.
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Thank you Ph4se0n3 for the edit!
This is essentially ISPs saying "Remember this 1Gb we promised? So now you'll only have 70% of your bandwidth, the rest is reserved for apps from companies who paid us off."
ECH will prevent ISPs from seeing anything enhanced TLS
How literally anyone could not be in favor of net neutrality blows my mind.
Americans
A great comedian once said - Think of how dumb the statistically average person is and remember that 50% of people are dummer.
I'm not citing him, but you get the point. Majority is only gonna know things in their field of expertise and be simply complete idiots anywhere else, just acting like their know something as to not look stupid.
The government exclusively makes things worse.
@@SoggyBagelzcorrection, companies make things worse and lobby the government to legalize it.
pure corruption
You know Comcast is bad when they've had a customer service satisfaction rating lower than the IRS..
Dare I ask how low the IRS' score is?
that is the most hilarious thing I have ever heard. Lower than even the IRS...
I bet it’s not going to be used to make Fast Lanes but rather make everything else slower
repackaging the same shit and pricing it up is one of the most disgusting things big companies like ISPs do. this absolutely cannot happen
We have a similar thing as the "fiber rich" stuff in the Netherlands. The biggest cable provider is calling their network "glass fiber-cable", where the dash is really important. Written it means a combination of fiber and regular cable, e.g. just like every other cable network with fiber backbone. But in the pronunciation it becomes "glassfibercable" (we string everything together) which is sounds identical to the word for real glass fiber cable / ftth, because you don't "hear" the dash. So they abuse the identical sound with a "technically correct" Gotcha!
Luckily we're not network-locked and most people hate this provider anyway, so there are alternatives. But the marketing should be illegal (and even though the advertising regulator smacked them on the wrist, they haven't changed the marketing yet) .
Yeah, f*** Ziggo. Give you gigabit download but still only 50 Mbps upload.
@@macoud12 Yeah, Ziggo were also complete asses about allowing people to use their own ONT (optical network termination, the box that sits between your modem and your fiber cable) equipment. But then the court forced them to allow it XD
Still sad about xs4all and tweak, those were actually good internet providers. R.I.P.
In the Netherlands, T-mobile *still* doesn't have IPv6...
@@blinking_dodo Yup, it's not even on their roadmap lol. Like what the hell... Imagine paying your network engineers to actually do something
The downside is that, for some people, Ziggo is kinda the only option.
For years, we had to choose between having a line where speeds are measured in *kilobits* per second or have "decent" speeds but be stuck to Ziggo.
Nowadays Delta/Caiway is rolling out fiber and we swapped over but this also hasn't been that lovely (1gbps up/down but we rarely reach that during the day because of the XGS-PON limits), then again, 500/500 we can get pretty much guarranteed is still better than 300/30.
And unlike Ziggo, I can use my own modem (or in this case, ONT) just fine.
There is a rumor, that fast lanes were accepted after someone start offering dark mode as a paid service..
ISPs are terrible the government bans throttling so they instead go about a weird complex work around to do throttling. Thats just insane to me they should be fined and the people who cooked up this idea should be jailed.
It's not capped! You still get 14,400kbs!
Another day, another reason to be happy and thankful I live in the tyrannical EU that "over-regulates everything" and makes tech worse, and not in the "free market" US that pioneers technology. Phew.
Amen brother
They do over-regulate. The US under-regulates. Literally the only thing the US government needs to start doing is treating communications providers as a utility.
and at the very least the EU regulations actually have teeth and enforce unlike america who selectively enforces shit where it makes companies richer and enforces in situations that screw over the common person
ISPs are already shit enough as they are. We need consumer protections in the US.
Still can't get over the fact that all these big ISPs and carriers are running DPI boxes capturing SNIs and recording metadata of what their users are visiting. Just because the NSA does it doesn't make it ok for service providers to do it too. And certainly not to pass that on to third parties.
They are literal trolls. Trolls hide under bridges and take their toll.
I live in europe and im already scarred that i can only choose between only so few ISP companies in the first place. Sometimes im literally having nightmares of my internet freedoms being taken away year by year in a everlasting cycle untill nothing is left and people are looking at me like from above like children playing in the dollhouse. Also i dont have a single clue what data is specifically collected by my isp and what are they even using it for. Recenly i have gotten a first spam call in my entire life. I told them to remove my data and they hung up. I dont even know who sold them my phone number in the first place. Im usually very strict about which services i give my phone number. In the first place how is it even legal to sell phone number lists to companies in the first place. I am getting abit off track but it still concerns my privacy and the little rights i have to "MY DATA".
This would directly incentivize ISPs to make all non-sponsored traffic to be barely tolerable so customers feel the need to upgrade but not the need to switch providers. I imagine watching Netflix on Sunday evening will be a privilege only granted to those who can afford it.
Long time viewer of the channel. I work for a local community-owned ISP in Colorado and we strongly support an open and neutral internet. Not all ISPs support anticompetitive and abusive behaviors!
Isps are the fkn worst, my wifi buffers down during peak hours and I’ve got to run a speed test so that they put me into a fast lane to stop the buffering, can’t imagine how bad this would be
Changing the channel your WiFi works on helps. If there are too many on the same channel at the same time, everyone is jamming each other.
Thats why this gatekeeper Regulation of the EU was so good. Because it enables fair competetion for companys that rely for example on ISPs, phone manufacturers etc.
All these companies are gatekeepers, even if ig ISPs are not classified as such and should not be able to ruin other businesses in other markets.
This is going to also make internet troubleshooting so much more annoying.
ISPs are what is called a natural monopoly. You can only build the infrastructure one time and everyone else who needs to use it has to listen to that one.
Comcast 🤝 Qualcomm
Most hated companies
more like Comcast 🤝 Charter
At least Qualcomm makes good products. Comcast is garbage.
ISPs are a utility and should be regulated as such.
Also forces big corporations to start shelling out for connections. Big companies that can afford this stuff end up neutralized because they can’t afford to do something. Also makes this choke out any small businesses trying to make a living. You’ll own nothing and be happy.
It sounds insane because it is.
Why don't we just build more network bandwidth? Honestly if we just scale up the total network capacity this wouldn't be much of an issue.
Hey Theo, don't forget to put instructions in a pinned comment. I see the link is already in the video description, but since you said in the video to look for a pinned comment, I'm worried some people might get confused, and for such an important topic, we don't want to miss a single supporter.
Suddenly the Ready Player 1 bandwidth riots makin more sense
??? I don’t remember that from the book.
They couldn't throttle the bandwidth because they were not allowed to but nobody sad they couldn't slice the width of the bands.
Any topic ever, Theo: "as u might know I'm a huge nerd about x"
I think there are some specific use cases where a "fast lane" makes sense. As someone who worked in a (non-US) telecommunications provider for 10+ years, I've got some relevant context on this.
The big use case that comes to mind is voice calls. Especially voice calls to emergency services. Historically this hasn't been an issue, as voice calls used to go over a different cellular network to regular data, but with the roll-out of Voice over 5G well underway, we could very well find ourselves in a situation where your emergency call is dependent on whether the neighbor is watching Netflix or not. I strongly suspect that the draft wording is vague so that they can allow these kinds of use cases as they come up, and since they can't predict the future, they don't want to explicitly enumerate them. I'm confident they can do better on this front though, perhaps by some wording to the effect of "except in the case of real-time communication tools that may be used to access emergency services". Even that is wrought with danger though, as a new startup could easily go into the space using something that traditionally wouldn't be used to contact emergency services, and then how do you specifically allow that?
The important part though, is unlike the "Enterprise 5G" scenario you described, this is something that would be applicable to regular users. Back in the early naughties, we were already doing this with QoS rules on our DSL network to make sure voice calls were given higher priority on the network so you had a good experience. That's because we offered VOIP as an alternative to buying a hard-wired phone service from another telecommunications company. We didn't have our own POTS network to support a hardwired land line.
Worth adding that there is already a solution to this baked into the IPv4 standard since the 90s for VoIP and similar latency sensitive services via the Type of Service bits in the IP header. Crucially that is set by the service provider's or client's device on either end of the connection, not by the ISP moving the packets between the two tampering with the traffic priority at their own discretion.
@@Kwijibob I think you've got a conflict there...
QoS, which I specifically called out as something we used, inherently requires the ISP to treat that traffic differently. This would go against a very strict interpretation of a "no fast lane".
Yes, QoS is part of the IP packets, but unless the ISP configures their network to actually treat those packets differently, then it does absolutely nothing.
The CPE (the home router) also needs to be correctly configured to handle that data and ensure it's tagged. I vividly remember our challenges of rolling out VoIP and needing to have users plug their VOIP equipment into a specific port, because the hardware we could get at the time that was affordable to the average home user didn't have any DPI capabilities to identify VOIP traffic randomly passing through it.
For further context, some of the other crazy stuff we were doing with QoS going back 15 years is things like prioritizing initial HTTP requests higher so that a web site page would load fast, but a large download would be lower priority. This dramatically improved the perceived performance of a users' internet connection, even when they were saturating their connection bandwidth.
We would also put the QoS lower on Bittorrent traffic lower across our international links since we basically couldn't buy bandwidth. This was long before we eventually got one of the first 10 router modules ever produced that supported 40 Gbps links.
The landscape is so much different now, with the ability to buy a dark fiber link at a fixed cost, and run sometimes as much as 400Gbps across it orders of magnitude cheaper than it was back then.
Honestly I would expect cellular calls and texts to be treated different from internet traffic, they predate them. And are low bandwidth. Also ANY low bandwidth things should work, your paying for X amount of bits per second! And it will be below X!
@@chainingsolid I think most people would expect that, but when they're both data on the same network, you have to take steps to treat them differently. Historically they were different networks, so it was easy to segregate, but we're moving towards a model where 5G Data does everything.
I am just happy that ISP's are NOT allowed to limit fiber/coax in Denmark. To test this, i am constantly using all excess bandwidth, which means i am uploading and downloading in excess of 30TB/month
In Brazil besides the problems we have a law that grants net neutrality to the hole country and it really helped the overall quality and of the network its call “Marco Civil da Internet” and is in place since 2018
Unfortunately I am seeing this too late to take action.
bro, 5g is so slow that I have to disable it. I feel stupid for being upsold the 5g version of my phone.
In theory I think a website paying to speed up your internet beyond what you pay for (100Mbps to 1Gbps) when you access their website would be interesting. It'd never work though in reality especially now that the slowest internet you can usually buy is stupidly fast.
...that bit about being picky and choosy means they can force bribes in exchange for "finding nothing wrong"
ISPs absolutely still throttle even after that passed. I can be watching a show(streamed) or playing a game and all of a sudden zoop... there goes the bitrate or huge packet loss mid game. I have tested it also, I would go a few days without doing anything online and would see almost my higher end of speeds. Then like clock work the next day speed choke.
I even called telling them to stop the throttling or I would report it to both the FCC and the BBB and said they didn't go ahead. The tech came out and said lines are good modem is good and speeds are actually above package rate. I said so they throttle right....he was quite and said yea. The ISP out here has been bought and rebranded like four times. The real terrible part.... it's the only one here.
I thought Netflix and TH-cam builds caches into most ISP networks, so what is the greed for then
I get some level of traffic management. My local (small) fiber isp has to change the way things are routed when live events like the super bowl are broadcasted. They push all other traffic through routes that aren't as fast (I can only get 800 Mbps instead of the 2 Gbps I pay for). That's ok with me as they literally are maxing out 100Gbps fiber lines during live events. This whole network slicing thing would make sense for first responders or business that need the higher speeds on their hotspot compared to everyone else. Or you have a x amount of speed at y ping garneted while on that slice for IoT applications like 5G security cameras. Just arbitrarily setting limits based on who is paying hostage fees is insane and a internet I don't want to live in.
If I need to jailbreak my phone and then spoof a choice application signature to get the higher speed or even use it to begin with, I would. This idea of a fast lane only works until the medium itself presents it's technical limitations.
ngl if they had a fast lane for gaming I wouldn't mind. Everyone streaming at the same time causes congestion on the evenings making online gaming unusable. Plus gaming doesn't require that much bandwidth sooo it wouldn't be noticeable by anyone.
Network shaping like this is bad. Colocation is good though: it costs Comcast money to move massive amounts of data around, and if they want to allow Netflix to drop servers in Comcast facilities or set up caching stuff that works with Netflix connections (probably by a frontend that then checks if a video is cached locally through a backend service hosted locally) or whatnot, that's cool. If I remember right, Comcast was actually working with Netflix on this long ago, and neither was charging each other, because it lowered costs for Comcast and improved Netflix's service. Crucially, because of the nature of switched networks and microsegmentation, this didn't cut into other users's bandwidth.
There's a pile of things where I can see QoS handling being really useful for a quality experience. I don't know what the right balance is in terms of control. As an example, video services need stable bandwidth and throughput, but gaming requires low latency. Modern networks could try to do that (and when I've managed internal networks with various limitations, I've done it).
Even with mobile, I currently have a limit on tethered traffic before it drops from high speed to low speed. It just meters the first X GB of traffic, then falls back to slow. I'd be happier if I could tag video conferencing as "needs high speed" and only run the toll on tethered traffic that is tagged to count towards the cap.
The implementation here sucks. If they're offering the fast lanes, it should be QoS tags added on the client side, not decided on the service side. Though the struggle is that it's the return traffic that is the bulk of the bandwidth.
I'm 100% against neutrality on the principle that the ISP is providing a service to the user to connect to the internet, not the internet connecting to you. That being said, monopolies like MS and Google _and_ Cockcast should be investigated for anti-trust violations.
That doesn't make sense, the user establishes the connection, and that connection is two-way. We're talking about downloading not running Internet facing services from your home.
@@emptylog933 Precisely. The user establishes the connection and should pay for it.
@@VoxelPrismaticBut they shouldn't be charged more for Internet access that is throttled in the first place. 😡 Also it will fragment the market as there's no possible way you can choose your isp. That's why it's only in 5g for now since it is available everywhere. It's already kind of crappy to play Xbox game pass on 5g this will just make it worse.
Internet is a RIGHT not a business. If this does get implemented Xbox game pass will need to lower prices to compete it will drain our wallets to just play Xbox game pass ultimate through 5g. Net neutrality prevents the competition from being unfair.
@timbo303official9 Internet is not a right, but a necessary part of the modern world. Internet cannot be a right. Otherwise, we would jail parents for rightfully restricting the internet from their children.
My isp is crazy (jio). They do deep packet inspection. Do not offer port forwarding. And the saddest part it I can't use pihole unless I disable ipv6 on the isp router (which btw doesn't have bridge mode) and when I disable ipv6 VoIP doesn't work. They are the largest ISP in india (50% market share) and 100% ftth network.
They are gonna pull a South Korea another twitch situation
Isn't this the same exact thing Apple does but for apps distribution?
Wow the system you have in USA seems like a nightmare. I hope we never get this system to Sweden.
I like this video.
But, 2:10ish,
“Let me know so I can ban you forever” has some ethical issues. Imma assume you mean it satirically.
I'm always baffled by the state of ISPs in USA. Somehow in eastern Europe you can get cheap, fast and reliable internet. And you even have a few ISPs to choose from! I don't want this to be Europe vs USA, it's just that it can be better. And you should fight for it to be better.
Can we turn back to 4g, 5g isn't even working on most places.
Pay as money so that we not throttle you connection.
- your sopranos ...ah your ISP.
ISP should absolutely control what we should see online THEO IM JUST KIDDING DONT BAN ME
Target one provider and try to trigger a mass migration of customers to another provider. People could be so much more powerful commercially if enough of them just got together and boycotted the occasional giant. We need to punish this kind of behaviour and we have all the tools to do so... i.e. computers and smart phones to communicate and alternative suppliers to migrate to. imagine how different the world would be if the general public occasionally coordinated its objection in ways which actually took down a company the size of AT&T or Microsoft. They'd all sh*t themselves and we'd see big improvements in customer service. A bit like how most of the world is turning its back on america now for 70 years of genocide in the middle east. You can't keep pretending the people you steal from are the problem...
The problem is they aren't introducing "fast lanes". Rather, the are introducing slow lanes.
One day Theo's face is going to get stuck like his thumbnails
THANK YOU! I'm glad you are as upset about this as I am.
One thing about mobile isps is that some are better in some areas. Sure technically I could use another one but we switched to Verizon because t-mobile didn't have a connection at our house.
In most data transmitting applications there is an inherent tradeoff between latency and throughput. An ISP could enhance the quality of service for everyone on the network if they could discriminate what is the latency sensitivity of each of the data streams. Want better latency? Your throughput suffers and vice versa. Under net neutrality this would not be allowed. This would be a legitimately useful feature, but there obviously are perverse incentives to try and monetize such a technology.
We already have it is called qci on cellular. Basically higher plan have higher network access cheap plans from mvno might have lower access.
Did he say that was his CTO who made that comment?
Dark Reader please
I agree, net neutrality is super important.
However, if companies started to optmize their stuff, perhaps we would all see better performance. Why does opening a simple web site downloads hundreds of megabytes of useless javascript... Web Devs noawadays are SUPER lazy when it comes to optimizations of their code.
Gotta love living in the EU
I love ISPs. ISPs are awesome! They're the best companies on earth!
Can't wait to get my new modem/router combo with 2.4GHz wifi with range of literally 5 meters, with DNS hardcoded into the DNS, locked away bridge and VLAN support, and the best of all - Lose my internet for a day cause they'll switch up my connection to an IPv6 one, whereas my old router is IPv4 only so that I'm stuck waiting for the technician to come...
Actually, forget what I said about ISPs. They suck.
Theo nerdy stuff is what we do we're developers.
ISPs in US just suck
In my country I can get 1Gbit/s without any bs talked about in this video for about $10/month
I still prefer h (3.5g) over 4g to this day because how fast 4g drains battery even in idle mode. So I most likely will not use 5g even on newer phones unless 5g spec deals with power consumption or phones get exponentially more efficient batteries (right, capacity alone is not option, I will not want to spend week to charge 500 000 mAh phone)
The thing about this is that I a user pay for x bandwidth. Then then the company pays for y bandwidth.
What fast laning does is say that even though both sides are already paying that they will throttle you and thus block you from getting what you already paid for unless you pay more.
I like the analogy about filling a Ford with petrol. Isn't that exactly what electric vehicle manufacturers are doing 😂
For every theo chrome monopoly take, there's three theo net neutrality takes
clicked off cuz u told me not to
EDIT: to be more contextual, I know you enjoy playing the youtube game, but you have to remember you don't have a mr. beast audience, your audience is more interested in the point first and the explanation later, preferred to the latter
ISP is overprice already btw
this makes me want to know more about theo-politics
5G has been so spotty for me, even in high coverage areas. I literally have 5G turned of and force LTE
Is this a problem if the client is using a secure DNS or secure SNI. It seems ISPs are limited to what they can sniff. And, with relays potentially becoming standardized in Chrome, this becomes less of an issue in the browser.
I believe firefox already supports ECH (encrypted client hello). I don't know about chrome though. The only thing that they possibly could do then is just to throttle based on IP addresses.
ESNI/ECH require that servers support it. It will take years to make it standard and a large chunk of the Internet will never adopt it.
@@emptylog933 Cloudflare already supports it, nginx is waiting for OpenSSL to support it. Server support will not really be an issue in ~1-2 years. It's just the configuration that will be troublesome, you need to have separate certificates for ECH and add them as DNS records. But I do think large companies and CDNs will probably enable it eventually
Isnt elon gonna solve all this with his starlink stuff?
Problem with your take is that all these doomsday scenarios have never happened. Government regulation should only step in when a clear anticompetitive act has been implemented. We have even more choice than we’ve ever had at better prices than we had years ago. This same argument the first time around.
if those people watching video on mobile are using too much bandwidth and it's a problem, then maybe the ISP's shouldn't be selling those high numbers of bandwidth for low prices. I know i'm shooting myself and many others here in the foot. But better a higher price and being actually able to get what you pay for, than a lower price for fake rates that you will not get for the applications that you actually want them for
All animals are created equeal, some animals are more equal than others. #GeorgeOrwell #AnimalFarm
Wrong video, you bot.
And you didn't even bring up the censorship aspects like let's say not giving X any bandwidth if they refused to censor completely legal content.
Theo for president
Mars is looking pretty green from here
Usa ...
You haven't delt with Rogers, here in Canada we have Rogers, Bell and Telus as our big 3 and Telus is not available for home internet in my province... Rogers uses comcast technology (our cable boxes are just partially rebranded Xfinity X1 boxes) and I'd argue their customer service is worse. We have no other choice then Rogers Cable in our neighbourhood because Bell only offers DSL, (despite Bell offering pure fiber, just outside our neighbourhood) oh and Rogers advertises as "fiber powered" as well
Speed isn't an arbitrary reason the charge differently. No need to stop this.
"Net neutrality" was always a misinformed issue.
Wait isnt this the self obsessed dude who had a meltdown after not being allowed to steal content?
disgusting.
Anything that's able to be circumvented by using a VPN shouldn't exist.
Wow, this is a good and simple distinction.
Wdym
@@Malix_Labs if you can somehow get a vpn that is in a "fastlane", now all your traffic is in that fastlane
@@Malix_Labs Basically any rule that makes decisions based on someone's traffic signatures or IP addresses should not exist.
That means no intercepting of DNS (tracking what websites you use), no rate limiting based on the services you use (DNS and IP), no region-blocked content (based on IP), etc. All of these can be circumvented with a VPN because it hides your traffic signatures (encryption) and the IPs which you connect to, to your provider. And it also hides the origin IP address from the websites you are visiting
erm aktualy this is a good thing 🤓
First like. Then watch the video
Imagine being american
disgusting... The amount of data transferred by games like league of legends is laughable... kilobytes a second.
NEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDD
insert nerd calling a nerd nerd meme
@@additionaddict5524 insert nerd calling a nerd who is calling a nerd nerd nerd meme
r/youngpeopleyoutube
Still voting Trump later this year btw, ignore the flag in the avatar.
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Hi Theo, I've been lurking your channel and consuming your content for a while now. Surprised I wasn't subscribed. Anywho I subscribed just now. I just wanted to voice my opinion that I don't appreciate you saying you want to block people who you disagree with or who disagree with you. Sure, you have every right appealing to a target audience /demographic, however what you're doing is advocating an echo chamber by your suggestion that youd like to block people with "wrong think". You've been very outspoken by implying that republicans essentially are to blame here various things. Its important for you to remember that people of all ends, angles and overlaps of the political world watch uou, not for your political opinions, but because you have important insight about programming and tech. Sure, this topic is definitely tech related, but you've somehow made this into a 3 parts politics and 1 part tech mixture. A bit too much politics for my taste. I digress, the real reason I'm commenting is because I felt the need to point out thst Netflix successfully brainwashed you into believing they are the victim, when in reality they are just wolves in sheepskin. Netflix has literally ALWAYS piggy backed off of others to get to where they are today. Do you remember dvd by mail? Somebody had to foot the bill for that, and as soon as the us postal service started fighting back, Netflix pivoted to streaming for multiple different reasons. One of those reasons is because they saw an opportunity to piggy back off of something else in order to gain dominance in yet another venture, and of course, steaming was the future and they could clearly see that. If you're still not convinced, then ask yourself this. If Netflix are such good guys and they're the victim, then why did they get rid of account sharing despite them having tweets encouraging people to do it in the early days? And last but not least, isps are evil horrible things, but the revoking of net neutrality hasn't been the end of the internet. In fact, I'm actually enjoying the best internet I've ever had. My upload matches my download rate which is astonishing. I thought in a dystopian age of no net neutrality, I'd be suffering, but I'm actually not. One last thing I'd like to say about Netflix is, there's absolutely no reason they need to charge as much as they do for 4k other than to drive home the point that they're salty they have to pay for a fast lane, so they're passing that cost onto their customers and still counting fat stacks. Face it, all corporations and big businesses are evil, period. And if this comment causes you to rage block me, then so be it. At least have the balls to inform me first before you do it. With that said, I really do like watching your TH-cam content. You make great videos and I appreciate what you do.
Oh, in America. This sh!t won't fly in Europe.
It was but they banned it a few months/years ago (iirc)
2:13 - this statement is the opposite of neutral) If you want to form a comprehensive opinion about a topic, you should listen to both sides of the spectrum. I'm nowhere near defending ISPs in this case, but the fact, that in a video about neutrality you straingh up say "if you don't agree with me I'll ban you" sounds somewhat funny to me. And pls don't ban me for saying this :D
Every masterpiece: Viper Rambles.
Has its cheap copy: Theo Rants.
I've read a few articles of Neighborhoods banding together and making their own local ISP, and as Unreasonable as it seems to do on a national scale, I'd be more willing to do that instead of whatever the hell this is
Hell, I'd be willing to let my older phones I still keep be used in part of a CDN, sounds entirely stupid, but I'd still be willing
Those neighborhoods then have to fight lengthy battles against the ISPs and law makers who sometimes even ban the practice outright. Maybe things have changed though
For those of us that use a VPN everything will be in the slow lane great.
Ah the horrors of capitalism that await us