I can't speak to the dome-module, but the ship may see a resurgence once they implement Missile Operator Mode, depending on what the copilot gets to do.
The Gladiator is great and I never forgot about it, but it's one of those ships that are great lookers overall except for exactly one feature: The turret. In the original concept, the turret was this Y-Wing like remote turret with a slim profile and fitting perfectly with the blocky aesthetic of Anvil. But then they gave it this blob of spherical glass with that fishbowl turret and I think it just completely disturbed the design flow. I hope it gets a visual overhaul that gets the turret back to the original look, especially now that we have remote turrets that work. Also implementing that modularity they talked about would be nice.
One of the first ships I bought. Still one of my favs. Back in the day I'd planned on refitting a mining laser and ore container into the ship before CIG changed their mind on that stuff. But still keep it because it is just so pretty.
I would make the Gladiator more Rugged with Armor comparable to the Hornet. Also It's Missile payload should be enough to scare a single medium Ship like the Constellation Series. The Dish-Section should be used for optional components much like the Hornet line. Space for Scanning equipment or additional computing power for the missile guidance comes to mind. An Extended internal Quantum fuel tank or maybe even a housing for optional components like redundand shield generators. I'm ok with the low speeds and range as well as the limited pilot firepower which can be seen on many missile type ships.
The problem with this ship is that it is based on an old outdated concept that is no longer fit for purpose for the current game. It has been left behind as the game has evolved. It is a single player ship and the manned turret is useless. If it were replaced with an auto turret it might make it more appealing/viable.
Or increase all it's weapon hardpoint so that it becomes a bomber version of the Hurricane: vulnerable with only one pilot but devastating with a competent crew of 2.
I really appreciate how thorough and consistent you make these videos. I don't even care about this ship or most of the others but you still make them satisfying to learn about.
Gladiator needs a buff to range, radar, and turret. I love this ship. If flown right, it can be an effective dog fighter. It’s a great gunnery platform with its great pitch and yaw rates, and jerk ... it’s slides along like a hippo on skates making it challenging in tight areas
Well it is a carrier based bomber, the short range might make more sense in the future. It’s also meant to work with hornet tracker so that’s why the radar is mediocre.
Needs a buff to be great. If there was a unique gimmick like a proprietary centre module being able to be swapped out for extra Q-fuel, Hydrogen fuel, longer target range, or an addition shield module, that would be amazing and add a lot of character. Another great boost would be for the turret to be slaved to the pilot, fixed only.
Gladiator is meant to be Carrier launched so limited range makes sense. Now we jut have to wait what kind of changes CiG will do to the ship before we know if we keep it or use it as LTI token. Radar size might be bit weird but at some point we are going to get full missile/torpedo rework so things might change then.
there are ships that currently have a ton more missiles and firepower in the same size as a Gladiator, if you want a missle fighter there are better options out there, so no need to keep the Gladi if you own one.
I’m sure as the pilot you used to be able to slave the turret? This was the first big ship I purchased after the LN and Avenger, I hardly use it but would never melt. Great content btw
Third ship I purchased. First ship I melted. Looks fantastic, but so does a hurst. It’s closer to a coffin in practice. For over a year we begged and begged CIG to give it some love. Our cries fell upon deaf ears.
I've been looking for a bomber and I'm still uncertain what to go for. I was considering the Gladiator as I was thinking it would fit in nicely with my current group, however, it seems very lacklustre to say the least. I realise this video was made some time ago, so perhaps things have changed?
One consideration regarding its ability to take down larger target. Squadron sized elements could overwhelm a larger target and still be vulnerable to combat air patrols in keeping with the WWII theme. Great video.
@@AndrewDavid84 Cockpit feeling is top. Many MFDs. Is pretty maneuverable - a bit to slow tho. Weapons are ok and the maneuverablity makes fixed ok. main thing tho is being a stealthy git and launching 2 s5 at once Against xeno -> its fun and feels right
I too really enjoy flying around in this small gem. TO me, the profile was one of the deciding factors to my purchase. Can't really describe it but something about its looks, feel and aesthetics that I totally dig.
I've worked for this one in previous patches. Finally got to try it out and I was not dissapointed. I love how it's an older ship that still works in the setting. I've killed NPC's and Players with this one. Surprisingly good with very smooth flight profile and handling. Don't underestimate this ship.
Bought this recently, love it for dogfighting and bounty hunting missions. Works well for me. I followed your stealth guide found the mk3 add some punch to the pilot damage. Comes really alive with a gunner.
So is there a cargo option at the expense of missiles? Would that make it a more multi use vehicle (smuggler, escourt)? I thought you mentioned something early in the vid but I can't track it down. Totally love your stuff man. Hope this game makes it to Beta before I get too old to enjoy it. I'm trying not to buy a new computer until this comes out (don't want to be caught in errors like Cyberpunk).
It was my first SC love back around 2013. There has been many more since but this beautiful thing DESPERATELY needs some love from CIG. It NEEDS to have a buff and that turret to become unmanned or a slaved to the pilot option. I would think it'll be a pretty rare occasion that you actually have a gunner along for the ride.
Been using this ship for a month and can safely say its a bounty hunting beast, especially if you can find a gunner. A good stealth build makes mince meat out of anything short of a hammerhead, really fun sneaky ship.
I will just mention that the description says the Gladiator is designed to work in conjunction with Hornets. Having a Hornet Tracker in the formation would probably negate the undersized radar. Otherwise, I have to agree with everything here, and it's especially ingenious that the Super Hornet's turret is automatically slaved to the pilot, but the Gladiator's isn't. We're talking 2 ships from the same manufacturer, with similar armaments (not counting the torpedoes), and virtually everything else identical. Granted, the SH turret is a remote turret while the Gladiator's turret is a manned turret, but it's still an odd difference. Yet another ship that's dependent on blades to be even marginally viable at all for solo play, basically. I want to love this ship but the turret kills it for me. I'm all for multi-crew ships and gameplay, but really ANY small sized ship, and most medium sized ships, should be fully or mostly functional solo. A crew should not be required to reach basic functionality on anything smaller than a Retaliator or Connie.
It used to be a great ship and had a substantial role in SQ42, but with all of the new ships its been largely forgotten. It needs an update, but probably won't ever see one because its more profitable for CIG to just introduce a new concept.
I will remind you that the quantum drive is the way it is because this is a Carrier based fighter/bomber. Meaning it was designed to operate mainly alongside a larger ship. Personally I agree a buff would be nice but the ship still works well for what it is despite the sensor range beeing a lot shorter than most of us would appreciate. Still I don't think that it should be forgotten.
I always loved the look of the Gladiator but I am not unmelting mine until it gets a buff. I would love to see it get more pilot damage output with guns and hitpoints; you can get popped pretty quickly in this thing. CI has long forgotten about this ship though, I don't think you will see them revisit it for a long time to come.
I have it, but only because of my retailator. It hasnt been used much, i can tell you that. It needs better pilot guns, or to have the turret slaved to the pilot. It would help, but I want to see the re-work on the retailator!
well I see a few options for this ship. it has 4 missile racks on top of its torpedo bay. Its supposed to be a light bomber, not a light missle boat. so maybe swap two missile racks for two more size 3 hardpoints, to A) give diversity between the gladiator and the hurrricane, and also to B) make it fall more in line with the bomber escort role and be able to keep up with its older brother, the Hornet. I still completely agree it could use a buff to fuel capacity and radar size. I have never forgotten about this ship since it was announced, mainly because my favorite starfighter in Star Wars wasn't the X-wing, but instead the Y-wing, and I truly think the gladiator is Star Citizen's Y-wing.
this is one of the ships i frequently use whenever i have a +1 as a light - med fighter role. i will certainly agree that it definitely needs some work though.
about your objection to the QF tank. the gladiator was designed to be a carrier based, short-range bomber. endurance isnt as much of an issue when you can be carried in an idris or similar
The speed and hp are too sobering for this ship. Definitely want to get one eventually in game, especially since it should shine in group fights. Perfect comparison list.
If they increased the wing pylons to size 5 and either increased pilot guns to size 4 or slaved the turret this would be a great ship I'd probably own, I love the look and I love the idea behind it.
Now I don't own a Gladiator myself but personally I really hope CIG will increase the missile hardpoints under the wings to S5 hardpoints. That way players would also be able to mount a single S5 torpedo on each external hardpoint and would bring the maximum number of torpedoes to 8 S5. :) As I recall from the old concept images the Gladiator was supposed to not only carry S5 torpedoes in that internal bay but also have the ability to mount a single S5 torpedo on each wing-mounted missile hardpoint. That way you could choose to fly with either regular missiles or rocket pods; or additional S5 torpedoes. EDIT: Found the images: andrewley.artstation.com/projects/mOOey Increasing the missile hardpoints to S5 hardpoints would allow it to equip a total of up to 8 S5 torpedoes. If I remember correctly it originally had either S5 or S4 hardpoints but at some point CIG nerfed those down to S3s for some reason. Perhaps as a kneejerk response because people were using Gladiators for missile-spamming in Arena Commander? At present time I feel that the Gladiator falls short on ordnance; especially considering the other bombers and hybrids. The Eclipse is a light stealth bomber but carries 3 S9 torpedoes while the hybrid Harbinger fighter-bomber already carries 3 S5 torpedoes in addition to the rest of its missiles and guns. So yeah, it would be nice if Gladiator pilots could carry a maximum of 8 S5 torpedoes again. ;)
back when I used to love this ship for vanduul swarm the turret was slaved to the pilot giving you pretty solid firepower.... only real downside to it was when your friend gets a little close to a enemy when one of the beefy missiles hits and kills them along side the enemy :P gotta say if they made the turret not slaved that is a big bummer
I didn't really know this one existed. I've heard about it but didn't know what it looked like. I've never seen anyone fly it or even talk about it and never seen one in game. I even went to the expo last year and rented and tested probably every single ship, but have no memory of this one. Was it even in there? Did I just miss it?
Good pvp bounty hunter for small medium ships, I could see this with a lower uec price be a cheap bomber option fir smaller orgs ti field in higher numbers than eclipses or harbingers. Still, it would benefit a lot from having the turret available to the pilot.
It's a fighter/bomber... not built or designed for extended battle. Show up in a horde, unleash devastation on a particular target, and have something left over to fight your way out of whatever defenses "they" got up. Escorts and gunships take out the rest.
I have the most kills in the world with the Gladiator, my ship, I understand how to use it most effective & expect nothing to change... just stay out of atmo combat with it... Thank You - Dead-Lights
So something must have changed because I picked one of these up and did a full stealth loadout and the startup IR is 6300. I spent about 6 hours yesterday testing stealth build for Claim Jumpers mission and this ship wouldn't make the cut.
I love it’s look, but I wish cig would give it some love, they should turn it into a ground attack, bomber like an A-10 warthog with a fixed s4 in the nose
If you could slave the turret to the pilot that would make a huge difference, trying to decide to buy this or the hurricane and I’m leaning towards the hurricane now
That's some premium grade video you got there! It does feel like CIG aren't quite done with this ship. It's not quite up to the quality of most others and the overall balance and pose of the design still looks a bit odd to the eye. I quite like it though, but it really does feel like an odd ship in the lineup.
🤙🏽Another excellent guide and vid, thanks bro 💡Just a thought. Gladiator(s) as companion craft to a Reclaimer. 🧐Stealth capable, has missles/torps, optional cargo and optional tractor beam.🤔 Create salvage, help collect/manipulate salvage, provide escort/perimeter defense. I'm thinking of obtaining services of a pair for my Reclaimer salvage work. 😝I like that idea a lot! Any thoughts❔❓
Post missile command I managed top 100 in AC Arena with the Gladiator. With proper flying adjustment this bomber can dogfight. It drifts and slides all over the place but man can this boat turn while doing the Tokyo drift.
There's no reason they couldn't fire link the turret for pilot control in at least a fixed capacity - JINX! You literally just said that as I wrote this haha.
I like the look of the gladioator, but I think bombers in sc shouldn't be very fast or too tanky. I think they should be something that really needs an escort fighter or two to really foster multiplayer gameplay so you have a couple of escorters trying to protect the bomber till it gets on target. The gladiator feels like its trying to strike a middle ground between fighter craft and bomber
I remember having this, just wasn't good enough though and this was years ago. My problem with it is that it's only 4 torpedoes S5, and they aren't really all that powerful. Could use 2 if not 4 more on each wing instead of missiles. I agree otherwise it needs better radar and quantum range. I feel the guns are fine, potentially 4 S3 is good for this size and having a turret is good. Oh also, give the turret gunner an ejection seat.
Yeah, I think CIG should just increase the missile hardpoints on the wings to S5 (currently they are S4 I believe). That way each hardpoint would be able to carry a single S5 torpedo and allow you to equip up to 8x S5 torpedoes (4 internally and 4 externally). :) CIG even had images of the Gladiator where it would have the ability to carry a single S5 torpedo on those hardpoints. andrewley.artstation.com/projects/mOOey
How can you say missile payload: 20736 damage per second? Missiles don't replenish and you can't send them all at once, mesuring dps on missiles makes no sense unless you mean total potential damage if all missiles are used and hit = 20736 damage total, not damage per second.
The Gladiator is cool except for the useless turret. It needs to be able to be remote controlled by the pilot. Otherwise, it is a hangar queen until it is traded.
I have this ship. I do not use it. I'd rather have a fighter or a bomber that is more of a dedicated bomber that packs a bigger punch like the Retaliator. I agree. It needs a bigger punch.
It has the same crew requirement (and better gunner damage) and fits on more pads than a Harbinger, but the harbinger is tougher, has stronger shields, better pilot (and total) damage, a similar missile complement (1 less size 5 but more smaller hardpoints), larger fuel tanks, and beds. In any fleet where I would use a gladiator, I'd be better off with a harbinger, excepting using them as parasite fighter-bombers on an idris, pegasus, or bengal. I'm not putting thousands of dollars into those vessels, so it seems really pointless to have a gladiator in comparison.
I'm surprised by its low armor value. When I think of bombers I think of durability. They're generally less maneuverable, so designed to be able to take some hits. This is the opposite, which presents some interesting game possibilities, but ultimately limits it to those specific options.
I forgot about its existence. In my opinion the whole concept of the ship doesn't make a lot of sense. Is it a stealth bomber or a two men crew small fighter? The answer is that It's somewhere in between, which doesn't make any sense. Either you shoot enemies with torpedoes from a long range or you take up with them close range with the ship weapons. For the first the Eclipse is way better and for later the Hurricane is the better choice. I don't understand why this ship exists.
This is one of those ships that really needs a rework visually. Nobody really knows that it exists, and I searched it on YT to see if it was actually in the game lmao
But I remember always thinking it was cool. I think way back when I got into the game I thought I’d never spend that much on a ship and so I just never got it
Buying the Retaliator Base version for 150 dollars gives you a Retaliator Bomber and a Gladiator as well. Both ships for cheaper than either. There is no reason to buy a standalone Gladiator.
Actually referring to i'ts intended role and design I love the ship. i just think it was poorly made by cig and it doesn't deserve to be in this state. (my opinion)
Many ships in sc have what cig call "AC loaners" essentially the loaners are for ships that cannot got into arena commander/swarms etc. The Hammerhead has a superhornet, as does the valkyrie, the tali has the gladiator, the kraken and cat have the buccaneer. the merchantman has the defender. the freelancer has the normal hornet and so on, the ships you get for AC are listed as such on the official cig ship loaner list. If you buy smartly and you can pick up more ships than you paid for. lol. The broke thing about it is even though these are meant for AC they work in verse too. not sure if its a bug or just an oversight maybe.
the 2 inner wing missile racks need to be upped to Size 4 3 2 the outter racks can stay a 3 2 1 and the pilot controlled guns should be upped to a 4/3 from the current 3/2 sense its suppose to be an attacker and go after bigger targets it needs the heavier weapons and extra firepower. and when air to ground rockets and gravity bombs come out this things racks need to beable to carry those as well. i WANT to love this ship, i want to buy this ship.. but even now years later this thing is kinda useless. especially with how terrible the weapons are preforming now with them all having the same damage and rage. all bombers kinda suck right now. The harbener vanguard needs its stupid beds removed and it needs a 2nd 3 stack bay of size 5s. its funny that NONE of the bombers can do their jobs and the bigger & more expensive vanguard is objectively worse than this thing is.
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I'm curious if cig still knows this ship exists.
I can't speak to the dome-module, but the ship may see a resurgence once they implement Missile Operator Mode, depending on what the copilot gets to do.
BlackHunter this has to be a ship in sq 42
The Gladiator will be in sq42
I forgot I even bought it back when..
the fact they forgot it in the 2929 expo.. Doubt it
The Gladiator is great and I never forgot about it, but it's one of those ships that are great lookers overall except for exactly one feature: The turret.
In the original concept, the turret was this Y-Wing like remote turret with a slim profile and fitting perfectly with the blocky aesthetic of Anvil. But then they gave it this blob of spherical glass with that fishbowl turret and I think it just completely disturbed the design flow. I hope it gets a visual overhaul that gets the turret back to the original look, especially now that we have remote turrets that work. Also implementing that modularity they talked about would be nice.
Yeah i agree, CIG should just copy what they did with the super hornet. Having a remote turret over what it is now.
I love the turret
One of the first ships I bought. Still one of my favs. Back in the day I'd planned on refitting a mining laser and ore container into the ship before CIG changed their mind on that stuff. But still keep it because it is just so pretty.
One of the best looking ships in game. It has a very WWII Douglas SBD Dauntless dive bomber vibe to it.
I wouldn't say it's the best looking, but it's pretty nice. Then again, these are just opinions.
Yep, it looks pretty cool alright. Plus I love the Anvil cockpit dashboards 😁
I always see it as the Grumman TBF Avenger.
I will always see it as a y wing
I would make the Gladiator more Rugged with Armor comparable to the Hornet. Also It's Missile payload should be enough to scare a single medium Ship like the Constellation Series. The Dish-Section should be used for optional components much like the Hornet line. Space for Scanning equipment or additional computing power for the missile guidance comes to mind. An Extended internal Quantum fuel tank or maybe even a housing for optional components like redundand shield generators. I'm ok with the low speeds and range as well as the limited pilot firepower which can be seen on many missile type ships.
The problem with this ship is that it is based on an old outdated concept that is no longer fit for purpose for the current game. It has been left behind as the game has evolved. It is a single player ship and the manned turret is useless. If it were replaced with an auto turret it might make it more appealing/viable.
Or increase all it's weapon hardpoint so that it becomes a bomber version of the Hurricane: vulnerable with only one pilot but devastating with a competent crew of 2.
I think the gladiator should be cheaper. If its cheap then the lacking attributes are understandable
I really appreciate how thorough and consistent you make these videos. I don't even care about this ship or most of the others but you still make them satisfying to learn about.
Gladiator needs a buff to range, radar, and turret. I love this ship. If flown right, it can be an effective dog fighter. It’s a great gunnery platform with its great pitch and yaw rates, and jerk ... it’s slides along like a hippo on skates making it challenging in tight areas
Well it is a carrier based bomber, the short range might make more sense in the future. It’s also meant to work with hornet tracker so that’s why the radar is mediocre.
actually its pitch and Yaw rates were nerfed by CIG.. Around 3.5 patch, it wasnt noted in patch notes and had NO reason to happen.
this video just made me more confident in my purchase of a hurricaine
The preview for this comment cut off the hurricane lol.
Needs a buff to be great. If there was a unique gimmick like a proprietary centre module being able to be swapped out for extra Q-fuel, Hydrogen fuel, longer target range, or an addition shield module, that would be amazing and add a lot of character. Another great boost would be for the turret to be slaved to the pilot, fixed only.
Gladiator is meant to be Carrier launched so limited range makes sense.
Now we jut have to wait what kind of changes CiG will do to the ship before we know if we keep it or use it as LTI token.
Radar size might be bit weird but at some point we are going to get full missile/torpedo rework so things might change then.
there are ships that currently have a ton more missiles and firepower in the same size as a Gladiator, if you want a missle fighter there are better options out there, so no need to keep the Gladi if you own one.
I’m sure as the pilot you used to be able to slave the turret? This was the first big ship I purchased after the LN and Avenger, I hardly use it but would never melt. Great content btw
Yeah the turret could be slaved a couple of years ago
Third ship I purchased.
First ship I melted.
Looks fantastic, but so does a hurst.
It’s closer to a coffin in practice.
For over a year we begged and begged CIG to give it some love.
Our cries fell upon deaf ears.
is this some kind of haiku
I've been looking for a bomber and I'm still uncertain what to go for. I was considering the Gladiator as I was thinking it would fit in nicely with my current group, however, it seems very lacklustre to say the least.
I realise this video was made some time ago, so perhaps things have changed?
Best ship reviews on YT, thaaaanks!
One consideration regarding its ability to take down larger target. Squadron sized elements could overwhelm a larger target and still be vulnerable to combat air patrols in keeping with the WWII theme. Great video.
This is the oldest ship in my fleet, and I love her! I agree, a size 2 radar would be nice.
I actually love the Gladiator, but mostly because of how it looks.
I don't play much anymore but your videos are awesome man!
Just got the Gladiator :) love the look too much
How do you like flying in it? How well does it do against xenothreat?
@@AndrewDavid84 Cockpit feeling is top. Many MFDs.
Is pretty maneuverable - a bit to slow tho.
Weapons are ok and the maneuverablity makes fixed ok.
main thing tho is being a stealthy git and launching 2 s5 at once
Against xeno -> its fun and feels right
Before you buy a Talon Shrike, try this. . .
you may reconsider your choices.
Personally I think it's pretty good - but not a lot of people like it.
existentialvoid I’d take this over a shrike
I too really enjoy flying around in this small gem. TO me, the profile was one of the deciding factors to my purchase. Can't really describe it but something about its looks, feel and aesthetics that I totally dig.
Thanks for covering the old Gladiator. This is one of those ships that CIG has forgotten about.
Honestly I like how this one looks. I can’t wait to try it out for myself.
I've worked for this one in previous patches. Finally got to try it out and I was not dissapointed. I love how it's an older ship that still works in the setting. I've killed NPC's and Players with this one. Surprisingly good with very smooth flight profile and handling. Don't underestimate this ship.
True, i've just remembered this ship when i saw it in the event hall
Hopefully turret slaving comes with the Redeemer, and it can be applied to this ship.
I really think it would benefit from it.
Bought this recently, love it for dogfighting and bounty hunting missions. Works well for me. I followed your stealth guide found the mk3 add some punch to the pilot damage. Comes really alive with a gunner.
added x4 size 3 missiles with the size 5 torps. BVR killing potential is huge. Fighter jocks now have something to worry about.
So is there a cargo option at the expense of missiles? Would that make it a more multi use vehicle (smuggler, escourt)? I thought you mentioned something early in the vid but I can't track it down. Totally love your stuff man. Hope this game makes it to Beta before I get too old to enjoy it. I'm trying not to buy a new computer until this comes out (don't want to be caught in errors like Cyberpunk).
It was my first SC love back around 2013. There has been many more since but this beautiful thing DESPERATELY needs some love from CIG. It NEEDS to have a buff and that turret to become unmanned or a slaved to the pilot option. I would think it'll be a pretty rare occasion that you actually have a gunner along for the ride.
My favorite fighter, it's beautiful and flies very well !
Been using this ship for a month and can safely say its a bounty hunting beast, especially if you can find a gunner. A good stealth build makes mince meat out of anything short of a hammerhead, really fun sneaky ship.
I will just mention that the description says the Gladiator is designed to work in conjunction with Hornets. Having a Hornet Tracker in the formation would probably negate the undersized radar. Otherwise, I have to agree with everything here, and it's especially ingenious that the Super Hornet's turret is automatically slaved to the pilot, but the Gladiator's isn't. We're talking 2 ships from the same manufacturer, with similar armaments (not counting the torpedoes), and virtually everything else identical. Granted, the SH turret is a remote turret while the Gladiator's turret is a manned turret, but it's still an odd difference.
Yet another ship that's dependent on blades to be even marginally viable at all for solo play, basically. I want to love this ship but the turret kills it for me. I'm all for multi-crew ships and gameplay, but really ANY small sized ship, and most medium sized ships, should be fully or mostly functional solo. A crew should not be required to reach basic functionality on anything smaller than a Retaliator or Connie.
I agree. I think they tried making it like a Y-wing but before the rebels made modifications.
Agreed I guess i should have mentioned that the gladiator is a good fleet ship.
It used to be a great ship and had a substantial role in SQ42, but with all of the new ships its been largely forgotten. It needs an update, but probably won't ever see one because its more profitable for CIG to just introduce a new concept.
I will remind you that the quantum drive is the way it is because this is a Carrier based fighter/bomber. Meaning it was designed to operate mainly alongside a larger ship. Personally I agree a buff would be nice but the ship still works well for what it is despite the sensor range beeing a lot shorter than most of us would appreciate. Still I don't think that it should be forgotten.
I always loved the look of the Gladiator but I am not unmelting mine until it gets a buff. I would love to see it get more pilot damage output with guns and hitpoints; you can get popped pretty quickly in this thing. CI has long forgotten about this ship though, I don't think you will see them revisit it for a long time to come.
I have it, but only because of my retailator. It hasnt been used much, i can tell you that. It needs better pilot guns, or to have the turret slaved to the pilot. It would help, but I want to see the re-work on the retailator!
well I see a few options for this ship. it has 4 missile racks on top of its torpedo bay. Its supposed to be a light bomber, not a light missle boat. so maybe swap two missile racks for two more size 3 hardpoints, to A) give diversity between the gladiator and the hurrricane, and also to B) make it fall more in line with the bomber escort role and be able to keep up with its older brother, the Hornet. I still completely agree it could use a buff to fuel capacity and radar size. I have never forgotten about this ship since it was announced, mainly because my favorite starfighter in Star Wars wasn't the X-wing, but instead the Y-wing, and I truly think the gladiator is Star Citizen's Y-wing.
One of my favorites. Not super effective, but fun to fly (especially if you have a friend along)
this is one of the ships i frequently use whenever i have a +1 as a light - med fighter role. i will certainly agree that it definitely needs some work though.
about your objection to the QF tank.
the gladiator was designed to be a carrier based, short-range bomber. endurance isnt as much of an issue when you can be carried in an idris or similar
The speed and hp are too sobering for this ship. Definitely want to get one eventually in game, especially since it should shine in group fights.
Perfect comparison list.
If they increased the wing pylons to size 5 and either increased pilot guns to size 4 or slaved the turret this would be a great ship I'd probably own, I love the look and I love the idea behind it.
Now I don't own a Gladiator myself but personally I really hope CIG will increase the missile hardpoints under the wings to S5 hardpoints. That way players would also be able to mount a single S5 torpedo on each external hardpoint and would bring the maximum number of torpedoes to 8 S5. :)
As I recall from the old concept images the Gladiator was supposed to not only carry S5 torpedoes in that internal bay but also have the ability to mount a single S5 torpedo on each wing-mounted missile hardpoint. That way you could choose to fly with either regular missiles or rocket pods; or additional S5 torpedoes.
EDIT: Found the images: andrewley.artstation.com/projects/mOOey
Increasing the missile hardpoints to S5 hardpoints would allow it to equip a total of up to 8 S5 torpedoes. If I remember correctly it originally had either S5 or S4 hardpoints but at some point CIG nerfed those down to S3s for some reason. Perhaps as a kneejerk response because people were using Gladiators for missile-spamming in Arena Commander?
At present time I feel that the Gladiator falls short on ordnance; especially considering the other bombers and hybrids. The Eclipse is a light stealth bomber but carries 3 S9 torpedoes while the hybrid Harbinger fighter-bomber already carries 3 S5 torpedoes in addition to the rest of its missiles and guns. So yeah, it would be nice if Gladiator pilots could carry a maximum of 8 S5 torpedoes again. ;)
I would love one of these...more for looks than function
This ship will be like the Y wing of the star citizen universe one day. You wait and see!
Fun fact, a few years back the turret was slaved
LUL
@@SubliminaLstv yeah i liked it oretty much then, was fun to fly, it was the time the first version of the pu wemt live
back when I used to love this ship for vanduul swarm the turret was slaved to the pilot giving you pretty solid firepower.... only real downside to it was when your friend gets a little close to a enemy when one of the beefy missiles hits and kills them along side the enemy :P
gotta say if they made the turret not slaved that is a big bummer
I didn't really know this one existed. I've heard about it but didn't know what it looked like. I've never seen anyone fly it or even talk about it and never seen one in game. I even went to the expo last year and rented and tested probably every single ship, but have no memory of this one. Was it even in there? Did I just miss it?
Good pvp bounty hunter for small medium ships, I could see this with a lower uec price be a cheap bomber option fir smaller orgs ti field in higher numbers than eclipses or harbingers. Still, it would benefit a lot from having the turret available to the pilot.
The Gladiator definitely needs some love.
It's a fighter/bomber... not built or designed for extended battle. Show up in a horde, unleash devastation on a particular target, and have something left over to fight your way out of whatever defenses "they" got up. Escorts and gunships take out the rest.
I have the most kills in the world with the Gladiator, my ship, I understand how to use it most effective & expect nothing to change... just stay out of atmo combat with it... Thank You - Dead-Lights
It looks ideal for a starter pirate, able to threaten light to medium freight vessels.
So something must have changed because I picked one of these up and did a full stealth loadout and the startup IR is 6300. I spent about 6 hours yesterday testing stealth build for Claim Jumpers mission and this ship wouldn't make the cut.
I love it’s look, but I wish cig would give it some love, they should turn it into a ground attack, bomber like an A-10 warthog with a fixed s4 in the nose
More fuel, bigger radar and slaved turret is what it should have, not what it needs. Thanks Sub!
It has low fuel because it is carrier based and the radar is mediocre because it’s meant to work with the Hornet Tracker
I love my stealth gladiator pushing around 1,950km detection range... that being said It does need size four missile racks and a size 2 radar
I like the ship the way is but a few buffs would be nice but at the moment I really can’t complain
I loved this ship but yeah the second seat turret and it's price were no gos for me. Especially against the shrike or MIS
If you could slave the turret to the pilot that would make a huge difference, trying to decide to buy this or the hurricane and I’m leaning towards the hurricane now
That's some premium grade video you got there! It does feel like CIG aren't quite done with this ship. It's not quite up to the quality of most others and the overall balance and pose of the design still looks a bit odd to the eye. I quite like it though, but it really does feel like an odd ship in the lineup.
🤙🏽Another excellent guide and vid, thanks bro 💡Just a thought. Gladiator(s) as companion craft to a Reclaimer. 🧐Stealth capable, has missles/torps, optional cargo and optional tractor beam.🤔 Create salvage, help collect/manipulate salvage, provide escort/perimeter defense. I'm thinking of obtaining services of a pair for my Reclaimer salvage work. 😝I like that idea a lot! Any thoughts❔❓
Post missile command I managed top 100 in AC Arena with the Gladiator. With proper flying adjustment this bomber can dogfight. It drifts and slides all over the place but man can this boat turn while doing the Tokyo drift.
There's no reason they couldn't fire link the turret for pilot control in at least a fixed capacity - JINX! You literally just said that as I wrote this haha.
I like the look of the gladioator, but I think bombers in sc shouldn't be very fast or too tanky. I think they should be something that really needs an escort fighter or two to really foster multiplayer gameplay so you have a couple of escorters trying to protect the bomber till it gets on target. The gladiator feels like its trying to strike a middle ground between fighter craft and bomber
I remember having this, just wasn't good enough though and this was years ago.
My problem with it is that it's only 4 torpedoes S5, and they aren't really all that powerful. Could use 2 if not 4 more on each wing instead of missiles. I agree otherwise it needs better radar and quantum range. I feel the guns are fine, potentially 4 S3 is good for this size and having a turret is good. Oh also, give the turret gunner an ejection seat.
Yeah, I think CIG should just increase the missile hardpoints on the wings to S5 (currently they are S4 I believe). That way each hardpoint would be able to carry a single S5 torpedo and allow you to equip up to 8x S5 torpedoes (4 internally and 4 externally). :)
CIG even had images of the Gladiator where it would have the ability to carry a single S5 torpedo on those hardpoints.
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I love my Gladiator
bought one 2 years ago, thinking I could have one parked on a Kracken light carrier :)
slave of the torrent is maybe the best action for this ship.
What if you could use the dome for dampening... of sorts, like on mantis
where can I find the desktop backgrounds?
How can you say missile payload: 20736 damage per second? Missiles don't replenish and you can't send them all at once, mesuring dps on missiles makes no sense unless you mean total potential damage if all missiles are used and hit = 20736 damage total, not damage per second.
The Gladiator is cool except for the useless turret. It needs to be able to be remote controlled by the pilot. Otherwise, it is a hangar queen until it is traded.
the turret used to be slaved to the pilot, but that was removed long ago. i doubt it will return.
I really want a gladiator but until I can operate the turret, it’s going to be a no for me
I have this ship. I do not use it. I'd rather have a fighter or a bomber that is more of a dedicated bomber that packs a bigger punch like the Retaliator. I agree. It needs a bigger punch.
It has the same crew requirement (and better gunner damage) and fits on more pads than a Harbinger, but the harbinger is tougher, has stronger shields, better pilot (and total) damage, a similar missile complement (1 less size 5 but more smaller hardpoints), larger fuel tanks, and beds. In any fleet where I would use a gladiator, I'd be better off with a harbinger, excepting using them as parasite fighter-bombers on an idris, pegasus, or bengal. I'm not putting thousands of dollars into those vessels, so it seems really pointless to have a gladiator in comparison.
They did just buff the guns on the gladiator though. I dont think they did on the hurricane.
God looking back on this.. the 3d radar was so much better..
It's like a bomber version of a Hurricane. Less weapon DPS, way more missile DPS.
the pricing for the gladiator and the vanguard series seems wildly out of scope with how the rest of the ship pricing shakes out
I'm surprised by its low armor value. When I think of bombers I think of durability. They're generally less maneuverable, so designed to be able to take some hits. This is the opposite, which presents some interesting game possibilities, but ultimately limits it to those specific options.
A better radar and swap out the size 3 for size 5 mounts for a better hit and run.even as it is a 2 flight of these can wreck face
I forgot about its existence. In my opinion the whole concept of the ship doesn't make a lot of sense. Is it a stealth bomber or a two men crew small fighter? The answer is that It's somewhere in between, which doesn't make any sense. Either you shoot enemies with torpedoes from a long range or you take up with them close range with the ship weapons. For the first the Eclipse is way better and for later the Hurricane is the better choice. I don't understand why this ship exists.
This is one of those ships that really needs a rework visually. Nobody really knows that it exists, and I searched it on YT to see if it was actually in the game lmao
But I remember always thinking it was cool. I think way back when I got into the game I thought I’d never spend that much on a ship and so I just never got it
I think the Gladiator and the Shrike are 2 different sides of the same coin...
ZebraUp shrike is first strike...gladiator is the mop
Are the displates still available?
No, CIG shut that down. They also asked me to shut down my merch store so im no longer doing anything with those designs.
Buying the Retaliator Base version for 150 dollars gives you a Retaliator Bomber and a Gladiator as well. Both ships for cheaper than either. There is no reason to buy a standalone Gladiator.
If I could use that Turret, id be flying that ship. But as now, it is a pass. Not a HARD pass, but a pass.
Hadnt heard of it or seen it. Shame its not used more
Can we have the razor next
I love the look of it but i complitly forgot about it's existance.
Carriers will change everything.
5:55 and it can do heel flips off of rocks.
Actually referring to i'ts intended role and design I love the ship. i just think it was poorly made by cig and it doesn't deserve to be in this state. (my opinion)
I don't know if I've ever seen one in game.
I don't think this ship has ever had a balance pass since I backed the game in 2016
Gladiator as loaner to Retaliator owners?? Retaliator is in game... weird.
Many ships in sc have what cig call "AC loaners" essentially the loaners are for ships that cannot got into arena commander/swarms etc. The Hammerhead has a superhornet, as does the valkyrie, the tali has the gladiator, the kraken and cat have the buccaneer. the merchantman has the defender. the freelancer has the normal hornet and so on, the ships you get for AC are listed as such on the official cig ship loaner list. If you buy smartly and you can pick up more ships than you paid for. lol. The broke thing about it is even though these are meant for AC they work in verse too. not sure if its a bug or just an oversight maybe.
I forgot about this ship.
the 2 inner wing missile racks need to be upped to Size 4 3 2 the outter racks can stay a 3 2 1
and the pilot controlled guns should be upped to a 4/3 from the current 3/2 sense its suppose to be an attacker and go after bigger targets it needs the heavier weapons and extra firepower.
and when air to ground rockets and gravity bombs come out this things racks need to beable to carry those as well.
i WANT to love this ship, i want to buy this ship.. but even now years later this thing is kinda useless.
especially with how terrible the weapons are preforming now with them all having the same damage and rage.
all bombers kinda suck right now.
The harbener vanguard needs its stupid beds removed and it needs a 2nd 3 stack bay of size 5s. its funny that NONE of the bombers can do their jobs and the bigger & more expensive vanguard is objectively worse than this thing is.