"No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable"
I'd like to add something I think our Hadridy friend might agree with. Strongman is a sport and as such there are two components to the training. They are the sports specific training which means practicing the strongman implements and strength. Strength is trained by doing compound movements of which the basics are the squat, the bench press, the overhead press, and the deadlift. Being that strongman is a strength sport the training and the practice has much more overlap than other sports but in general having a baseline level of strength is going to be important to developing in the sport of strongman.
When he retires he should consider a career as a Strongman trainer. He could take a young fellow with potential and train him into becoming a Strongman.
Realistically no more than once every 3months, maybe even once every 6 months, depending on you. If you gotta cheat to get that 315 deadlift, then when you up it next time you're gonna cheat again. Learn the basics, form over weight. Look up Martin Licis' video on training and such.
Yeah my best results came when I stopped caring about my max every week. I go like 75 percent or even less and after a few months or so my max increased. In my own opinion I don't really see a need to max at all if you aren't competing. Maybe if you just wanna know your max for personal reasons I guess so but going 65 or 75 percent all the time works great. Just SLOWLY increase over time.
@@ETAisNOW-wn8wx Yep. I usually max, write it down, then do at most, 90% of 90% of my 1rm, then after 12 weeks of rep ranges, go for 1rm, followed by a month of deloading.
@@ETAisNOW-wn8wx I used to do that, I added maybe 80lbs to my deadlift over 9 months last year lifting 70-80% I started maxing out constantly and always doing at least 90% And added another 70 in 3 months
Any advice on incorporating strongman lifts into an all around general strength program, just for fun & health (no interest in competing)? Let's say my current program is based on deadlifts, squats, bench & overhead press with normal accessory work. Do you recommend adding in some of the strongman lifts into my regular program more as accessory lifts, or is it better to make those the primary lifts and to have say a "stones day" sometimes instead of a "squat day"?
Adding any exercise outside of your normal regime will help (if proper form is used). shit even yoga and Pilates can work under utilised muscles and imbalances.
Love ya man but now that were hearing about your story about not deadlifting until late in your growth, im very skepticle about your advice about deadlifting (NOT deadlifting, rather) on the Rogan interview.
@ajaystutt i dont beleive that at all. Been doing squats and deadlifts 3 times a week for 4 months now, no bull shit, strict af form with a coach whipping me if i even faulter one bit. My life is literally changing. Back pains gone. Knee pains gone. Strength skyrocketing. Its a miracle, and its not just me, every person that goes to my gym does the same lifts and they all share the same sentiment, i am the newest member theyve all been attending for over a year and the coaches been doing it for 10. It just works, i am new of course so maybe i can still be peoven wrong but 25 people vs 1 person telling me the opposite.
@ajaystutt ok i respect all that. I have a good strong frame, so i will continue. Oberst deadlifts 900and tells me not to, i dont take advice from people who dont even follow their own advice. Especially when he now tells me he didnt even deadlift until late... like wtf. I dont compete so i wont push myself to the extreme on them, but i whole heartedly believe every one who is physically capable should be deadlifting regularly with strict form, not for max numbers but to gain overall strength and health. And i dont believe that just because of my 4 months of experience, i believe that because of my coaches and fellow lifters, who range of all ages and types and experience. Also, as a powerlifter you go for 1 rep max, and will sacrifice form to achieve that rep for a competition. I know they watch your form, but only to a certain degree. And they dont correct your form at the competition, they only dont award you with the lift if your form isnt good enough(in other words you could potentially go pull an extreme 1 rep with terrible form) Sounds like a recipe for disaster for any lift, not just deadlifts.
Final Cam you have been lifting for 4 months and think you’re qualified to give out advise. You are not strong enough to know what heavy deadlifts even feel like.
@@thething1749 not giving advice. Calling out people who give advice and dont follow it. Dont listen to anything i say as advice. And i can already deadlift 400 so yes i know what a heavy deadlifts feel like. I didnt say i only worked out for 4 months, i said ive had strength coaches for 4 months.
Lalas and Kearney are both a little under 6ft and both are well-respected in the sport. You might struggle with atlas stones and heavy loading events, but it's certainly not impossible that you could compete and get to a decent level.
Genetics is everything if you want to achieve at the highest level in anything but so are also hard work. It's a combination of everything that leads a person to be a champion. There have been some short guys competing at the heavyweight class. Andrew Raynes aka stumpy comes to mind. That guy was 5 foot 3´inches or 160 cm. He didn't have it in him to be a champion because of his height but in some events he could shine because of his super strong legs and he reached the finals in the early 00's. Lalas is 178 cm and probably the widest human below 180 of all time and was super close to winning WSM one year and placed high in many events. Being shorter is a big disadvantage in some events so a person of limited height will have the odds stacked against him but it can be overcome if you 1) Is genetically gifted in other ways like speed, will power and strength and 2)Work harder/smarter than your competitors. It probably would be wiser to compete at the lower weight classes with your height but it's going to be up to you.
We posted a good video about this on instagram the other day. There's no height limit to competing. For shorter guys it's easier to compete in a weight class so u90 u105kg etc
I'm 5'7" too, at their weights we would be dying, but we would be much much stronger than them. Stones would be a weak spot, races we would be slower, but any static event we have a huge advantage. Our deadlifts and presses are just so much easier than theirs
Ya I just want to know actually how big your head is. I where a 7 3/8 size fitted hat. What’s yours hat size, 69, 420. I really want to know bud all jokes aside.
Beanpapac15 he is literally famous for being next level strong. He would single arm curl you then do bent over rows with your mom and dad then tell me his hat size. Because he doesn’t get all frail when people call him”bud”. Lmao
I used to get a lot of knee pain when I would squat so I avoided it for a long time. Eventually I just said fuck it and started squating 3 times a week through the pain. I was not going heavy, doing thorough warm ups, and a lot of stretching after. Just trying to focus on technique and build muscle, not strength. A few months later the pain went away and I have no more problems with squats at all. That might work for you, just take it easy. Even when it feels better stay with lighter weights for another month as well.
Dear Rob ,I'd rather feed you for a week than a fourtnight . Please could you use your influence to coax your mate Martins to stage a soap opera from his gym .. I dont watch a lot of tv because it's crap ..However I would very much enjoy watching a rubbish soap opera where the actors like lifting heavy stuff.. I commented on Matins 's page and suggested he hire an acting coach (he/she could actually be in the show) In short ,why not .. Get that done for us bloke . Thanks man Scicerely ..John (some nut case from Wales)
"That jump from 500 to 800 pounds in a year is insane..." yeah Vitamin S, various GH's and insulin didn't have anything to do with it at all.... I really wish there was 100% transparency in strong man, at least be honest.
They don't hide what they do man, it's common knowledge everyone's on something if you want to compete at that level. Oberst even said all you gotta do is pass one test a year I think for wsm?
They don't like openly admitting it because of the repercussions but seriously man everyone knows. There's no strongman out there trying to pretend they haven't took something.
Aside from the obvious.... Going from 500 to 800, if you're strong (and huge) and has never deadlifted, which means training specifically for deadlifting, and then going at it strongman style doesn't surprise tbh.
I'll give you my example. For the whole of my life I was not doing DL properly. My technique sucked, grip sucked etc. I was using normal grip as I was affraid of mixed grip and couln;t progress with weights. 130kg for 2 reps was my max. After improving my technique and learning hook grip, I could achieve 160x8 in 2 months and I'm still progressing. 100% natty. Ofc I'm not denying the above guy is using steroids because it's obvious. Competition at this level requires extra boost if you want to be able to compete effectively. Summing up - If you weren't focusing on certain thing for the most of the time, it's easy to progress it once you have focused :)
If your on the sauce, then yes, you should be getting stronger every month, but if your natty, it may take years to build up noticeable gains in strength.
You were not listening. He is saying as a beginner you should make big improvements in the first year. He said as an advanced lifter, 5% in a year would be a massive improvement. Nothing to do with steroids.
Don't believe he went from a 500 to 880 deadlift in under a year, the first year he started training strongman, and has zero'd 400kg deadlift events within the last few years. Must've been talking about trap bar/car deadlifts or something, otherwise I don't buy it.
"No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable"
I love this guy.
I always watch Robbie videos when I'm feeling down, the big bro I never had
Obi seems like the kinda guy you want to workout with and the go smoke a joint with. 😀
Hey Robert great information..
Thanks
brilliant stuff rob!
I'd like to add something I think our Hadridy friend might agree with. Strongman is a sport and as such there are two components to the training. They are the sports specific training which means practicing the strongman implements and strength. Strength is trained by doing compound movements of which the basics are the squat, the bench press, the overhead press, and the deadlift. Being that strongman is a strength sport the training and the practice has much more overlap than other sports but in general having a baseline level of strength is going to be important to developing in the sport of strongman.
Robert I am pretty strong ( at 63 ) but certainly not a strongman! Lots of respect for you and I hope your arm will be fine soon!! Rick Holland*
Haha that was strange to hear him say bloke
Robert: bloke
Englishmen: 😍😍😍😍😍😍
When he retires he should consider a career as a Strongman trainer. He could take a young fellow with potential and train him into becoming a Strongman.
How often should I maxed out my lifts?
Every day
Realistically no more than once every 3months, maybe even once every 6 months, depending on you. If you gotta cheat to get that 315 deadlift, then when you up it next time you're gonna cheat again. Learn the basics, form over weight. Look up Martin Licis' video on training and such.
Yeah my best results came when I stopped caring about my max every week. I go like 75 percent or even less and after a few months or so my max increased. In my own opinion I don't really see a need to max at all if you aren't competing. Maybe if you just wanna know your max for personal reasons I guess so but going 65 or 75 percent all the time works great. Just SLOWLY increase over time.
@@ETAisNOW-wn8wx Yep. I usually max, write it down, then do at most, 90% of 90% of my 1rm, then after 12 weeks of rep ranges, go for 1rm, followed by a month of deloading.
@@ETAisNOW-wn8wx I used to do that, I added maybe 80lbs to my deadlift over 9 months last year lifting 70-80%
I started maxing out constantly and always doing at least 90% And added another 70 in 3 months
What would you suggest to someone so who wants to Start? Where would I start to become a strong Man?
A good deadlift and overhead press are staple movements in strongman. So train those and some heavy front loaded carries
Any advice on incorporating strongman lifts into an all around general strength program, just for fun & health (no interest in competing)? Let's say my current program is based on deadlifts, squats, bench & overhead press with normal accessory work. Do you recommend adding in some of the strongman lifts into my regular program more as accessory lifts, or is it better to make those the primary lifts and to have say a "stones day" sometimes instead of a "squat day"?
Add stones at the end of deadlift day. Add sandbags at the end of back. Add yoke at the end of squat
Adding any exercise outside of your normal regime will help (if proper form is used). shit even yoga and Pilates can work under utilised muscles and imbalances.
What do you think about Kearny taking your American record with a jerk instead of a press?
Love ya man but now that were hearing about your story about not deadlifting until late in your growth, im very skepticle about your advice about deadlifting (NOT deadlifting, rather) on the Rogan interview.
@ajaystutt i dont beleive that at all. Been doing squats and deadlifts 3 times a week for 4 months now, no bull shit, strict af form with a coach whipping me if i even faulter one bit. My life is literally changing. Back pains gone. Knee pains gone. Strength skyrocketing. Its a miracle, and its not just me, every person that goes to my gym does the same lifts and they all share the same sentiment, i am the newest member theyve all been attending for over a year and the coaches been doing it for 10. It just works, i am new of course so maybe i can still be peoven wrong but 25 people vs 1 person telling me the opposite.
@ajaystutt and to be honest power lifting looks like yall sacrifice form for numbers. Not to be rude. Thats just my observation.
@ajaystutt ok i respect all that. I have a good strong frame, so i will continue. Oberst deadlifts 900and tells me not to, i dont take advice from people who dont even follow their own advice. Especially when he now tells me he didnt even deadlift until late... like wtf. I dont compete so i wont push myself to the extreme on them, but i whole heartedly believe every one who is physically capable should be deadlifting regularly with strict form, not for max numbers but to gain overall strength and health.
And i dont believe that just because of my 4 months of experience, i believe that because of my coaches and fellow lifters, who range of all ages and types and experience.
Also, as a powerlifter you go for 1 rep max, and will sacrifice form to achieve that rep for a competition. I know they watch your form, but only to a certain degree. And they dont correct your form at the competition, they only dont award you with the lift if your form isnt good enough(in other words you could potentially go pull an extreme 1 rep with terrible form) Sounds like a recipe for disaster for any lift, not just deadlifts.
Final Cam you have been lifting for 4 months and think you’re qualified to give out advise. You are not strong enough to know what heavy deadlifts even feel like.
@@thething1749 not giving advice. Calling out people who give advice and dont follow it. Dont listen to anything i say as advice.
And i can already deadlift 400 so yes i know what a heavy deadlifts feel like. I didnt say i only worked out for 4 months, i said ive had strength coaches for 4 months.
I have a deadlift at 415 right now cuz that's all the weights I have. Got me a 115# atlas stone and HOLY FUCK. WAY DIFFERENT.
How much does genetics play role in this sport can a 5'7 guy can compete
Lalas and Kearney are both a little under 6ft and both are well-respected in the sport. You might struggle with atlas stones and heavy loading events, but it's certainly not impossible that you could compete and get to a decent level.
Genetics is everything if you want to achieve at the highest level in anything but so are also hard work. It's a combination of everything that leads a person to be a champion. There have been some short guys competing at the heavyweight class. Andrew Raynes aka stumpy comes to mind. That guy was 5 foot 3´inches or 160 cm. He didn't have it in him to be a champion because of his height but in some events he could shine because of his super strong legs and he reached the finals in the early 00's.
Lalas is 178 cm and probably the widest human below 180 of all time and was super close to winning WSM one year and placed high in many events. Being shorter is a big disadvantage in some events so a person of limited height will have the odds stacked against him but it can be overcome if you 1) Is genetically gifted in other ways like speed, will power and strength and 2)Work harder/smarter than your competitors.
It probably would be wiser to compete at the lower weight classes with your height but it's going to be up to you.
We posted a good video about this on instagram the other day. There's no height limit to competing. For shorter guys it's easier to compete in a weight class so u90 u105kg etc
Watch Big Loz video on it , sums it up
I'm 5'7" too, at their weights we would be dying, but we would be much much stronger than them. Stones would be a weak spot, races we would be slower, but any static event we have a huge advantage. Our deadlifts and presses are just so much easier than theirs
I will compete in wsm I am 17 rn
Left arm whats up
Food...
Think he wants us to slap it, how can I get hold grip strength from a normal gym or in my house
I'm a sophomore and I can squat 400x2
Ya I just want to know actually how big your head is. I where a 7 3/8 size fitted hat. What’s yours hat size, 69, 420. I really want to know bud all jokes aside.
David Zavodny he will bench press your whole family, he is not your bud
He is not even 6"6
Jon Dovik a simple google search will tell ya he is 6’7”....................
Beanpapac15 he is literally famous for being next level strong. He would single arm curl you then do bent over rows with your mom and dad then tell me his hat size. Because he doesn’t get all frail when people call him”bud”. Lmao
Something hurts - train around, through, avoid? What's your line on this?
If it hurts, move it. The sooner you do, the sooner it stops hurting
I used to get a lot of knee pain when I would squat so I avoided it for a long time. Eventually I just said fuck it and started squating 3 times a week through the pain. I was not going heavy, doing thorough warm ups, and a lot of stretching after. Just trying to focus on technique and build muscle, not strength. A few months later the pain went away and I have no more problems with squats at all. That might work for you, just take it easy. Even when it feels better stay with lighter weights for another month as well.
Dear Rob ,I'd rather feed you for a week than a fourtnight .
Please could you use your influence to coax your mate Martins to stage a soap opera from his gym ..
I dont watch a lot of tv because it's crap ..However I would very much enjoy watching a rubbish soap opera where the actors like lifting heavy stuff..
I commented on Matins 's page and suggested he hire an acting coach (he/she could actually be in the show)
In short ,why not ..
Get that done for us bloke .
Thanks man
Scicerely ..John (some nut case from Wales)
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The title should be "im strong, let me tell ya"
"That jump from 500 to 800 pounds in a year is insane..." yeah Vitamin S, various GH's and insulin didn't have anything to do with it at all.... I really wish there was 100% transparency in strong man, at least be honest.
They don't hide what they do man, it's common knowledge everyone's on something if you want to compete at that level. Oberst even said all you gotta do is pass one test a year I think for wsm?
They don't like openly admitting it because of the repercussions but seriously man everyone knows. There's no strongman out there trying to pretend they haven't took something.
Aside from the obvious....
Going from 500 to 800, if you're strong (and huge) and has never deadlifted, which means training specifically for deadlifting, and then going at it strongman style doesn't surprise tbh.
I'll give you my example. For the whole of my life I was not doing DL properly. My technique sucked, grip sucked etc. I was using normal grip as I was affraid of mixed grip and couln;t progress with weights. 130kg for 2 reps was my max. After improving my technique and learning hook grip, I could achieve 160x8 in 2 months and I'm still progressing. 100% natty. Ofc I'm not denying the above guy is using steroids because it's obvious. Competition at this level requires extra boost if you want to be able to compete effectively. Summing up - If you weren't focusing on certain thing for the most of the time, it's easy to progress it once you have focused :)
Youve obviously never truly applied yourself in the gym
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If your on the sauce, then yes, you should be getting stronger every month, but if your natty, it may take years to build up noticeable gains in strength.
You were not listening.
He is saying as a beginner you should make big improvements in the first year.
He said as an advanced lifter, 5% in a year would be a massive improvement.
Nothing to do with steroids.
The Thing thanx for the correction
Don't believe he went from a 500 to 880 deadlift in under a year, the first year he started training strongman, and has zero'd 400kg deadlift events within the last few years. Must've been talking about trap bar/car deadlifts or something, otherwise I don't buy it.
steroids bud
How many international strongman titles has Oberst won? He is everywhere on TH-cam. So probably quite a few right?
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