I like how even in the context of this hateful video, 'Carrie' has zero problems with her two 'mommies'. 'Carrie' did not ask for help, there was nothing about her being upset, nothing about her being sad she doesn't have a father, or badly raised in general. All she said is that her mums were married to each other, and only that when asked, she didn't even bring it up herself. This video isn't just teaching kids to preach when asked an opinion, it's teaching them to straight up shove their unwanted, unasked for opinions down the throats of others. Any kid who does this in real life is just going to end up friendless.
Not before making Carrie question her mum's marriage and putting them in a horrid position of having to explain to her kid about religious preduice and ruining her innocence.
+John Cedars Ha I hear that....since I've left my experience in coming out has been...well..horrible. I actually wrote about two experiences I've had. If you have a few minutes check it out...it's both cringeworthy and borderline hilarious. It's always appreciated though when others like yourself take a stand for equality. cambriadirden.wordpress.com/2015/11/29/jehovahs-witnesses-shunning-part-2-2/ cambriadirden.wordpress.com/2016/04/02/a-jehovahs-witnesss-view-on-homosexuality-an-old-conversation-and-how-it-makes-me-feel-better-about-my-life/
Shell Shocked Shithead well , he and his father created man so you already have the answer . The real question is, do you care what God and Jesus think qqq
John Cedars well, I don't hate gay people , they do however have the same chance as everyone else to change but only if they want to , meaning someone will have to answer to God .
What's upsetting is that when the subject was brought up, the teacher tried to normalize it because she recognized that Carrie having 2 mommies was not the norm in this classroom, meaning that she could be the target to bullying. However, Sophia's mom basically told her to bully a kid! Like, Carrie is not even the gay one, and she has no control over her moms' sexuality!
I'm a heterosexual woman but would rather be in a committed relationship with a woman than a man or an organization that treats me like i am worth less than another human being / man / MS / Elder / etc.
@@nikolaipetrichor2065 she talks about how christianity and all of it spinoffs put women under men and less valuable than men and under the tier of human not men. Not all men think women are under them
So true... I mean when you're writing that script and you see those sentences and you need to add something, there should be a question rising up in your mind. Kinda reminds me of the 'Are we the baddies?' sketch.
Thank you so much for this video. JW is too, the religion on my birth and getting out was the hardest thing I've ever done. As a little child, I was taught to be homophobic and bigoted. I used to feel ashamed of that, but I don't anymore. It wasn't my choice to be indoctrinated. They ruined my life and even though I've definitively been an atheist for more than 4 years, I'm still not over everything I've been through and my hate for JW. Today I support LGBT people so much and the people who are either gay, transgender or what not and born into religion and then get out and stand by who they are, are SO STRONG. I admire those people so much. Getting out of a cult is hard, but there is life on the other side. Keep up the good work :)
Sophia: Carrie, can I tell you about the Paradise that your two Mom's won't be going to because they're gay? Carrie: That depends. Do you want to swallow your teeth?
stay tune for the next jw video: Masturbation leads to homosexuality. In this episode, Caleb must learn to hold the bible before his joy stick, to avoid liking little Jonny someday.
Absolutely one of your best videos to date. You would be hard pressed to find anyone handle this topic better than that. This is the civil rights issue of our era.
i remember when i was a witness my mother would tell me that if we see a person who is homosexual, then we should persuade them not to be and in my head i would be like i don’t think it’ll work or they would even listen but ok you keep saying that. i’m so glad i told nobody that
The video from watchtower made me really ill. The adult judgemental attitude is hard enough to bear, but being told what to do by judgemental children, is a step too far.
"But my teacher said that the only thing matters is that they love each other and are happy" JW Mommy: *REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*
I love how I literally just finished watching this video thinking "cedars needs to talk about this" and at that exact moment I get a notification that you did!
Here's what I don't understand about the anti-gay logic: If you are a straight person then you know what it is like to have 0 attraction to someone of the same sex and usually that would mean you find the thought of romantically being with someone of the same sex very unattractive. Thus how could you think it is a choice to be gay rather than straight? Would someone just wake up and say "Although I am strongly put off by the thought of it, I think I am going to try and force myself to be gay for a while and see how that works out"?
+Barnabas Ghoul That is the prime example of indoctrination over empathy. People have to be taught to ignore such a simple thing as thinking, 'what if I were in their shoes?' because we have selected old writings that already have the answers.
Take that same logic, and subtract out attraction, and love. Subtract Sex, subtract any romance. Only hand holding if absolutely necessary. Then ask the question again. Remember: Straight people had the same issue with the same people, because they wanted: love, romance, attraction, and sex for pleasure in their marriages. I think it might have been called the sexual Revolution in the 1970s. I'm Christian. My reference is strictly for context and understanding of the mindset differences.
Fr Gay people don’t even choose to be gay and since they want a romantic life like everyone else they choose to go with who they have attraction to. Trying to force yourself to be attracted to something that you’re not attracted to will just lead to you living a sad life as it’s nobody’s fault for being gay
I know a gay guy in my old congregation. The elders know he is gay, and have told him, he must not practice his homosexuality in any way. If he gets the urge to, he needs to pray more and get the elders spiritual help. In other words he has to live a lie for the rest of his life.
Mr Lloyd I absolutely love you! This video is brilliant and hits the nail on the head. Im a gay recently Ex-JW that was booted out the church for being gay and Im just so happy to see the reality of the organisation that I used to serve. As a gay man myself I wholeheartedly can tell you that it is NOT a choice. Thanks again!
I’m so confused. So I’m Christian. Christians and JW do NOT get along. Also JW and Catholics hate each other. So let me get this straight JW tell the children to use a sales tactic against gay people and pitch an idea. Saying they can change ON THEIR OWN. Then they kick out those same people saying they can’t change. I mean damn. Even fundamental Christians have a stance, and Evangelical Christians have an opposing stance; but JW just be saying both and throwing them out. IM Sorry for your trauma. Much love in your Recovery. ❤️💕❤️💕❤️❤️❤️❤️💕💕💕❤️💕
This is not from the Watchtower. This is from someone else. Men having sex with men, and women with women, IS condemned in the Bible. Try reading it once in a while. It's morally debased conduct and not natural. True Jehovah loves everyone, but certain actions he hates, and that is one of them. Also, there are more people in the world not just JW's that feel this way. If being gay was not wrong, then why do the majority of people think so? Another point, you can't procreate if you are gay, trans, whatever. I'm not being hateful, just giving the facts.
@@mrpickle069 jesus Never mentioned homosexuality. Thats in the old testament along with stoning people and marrying your rapist. Dont cherry pick. The world is overpopulated, so not everyone needs to have kids. Marriage is not simply about procreating.
I am a pansexual evangelical Christian, and it's not my place to force my beliefs on anyone. I do not judge or condemn people for their life choices. At least I try not to. It's hard to break free of a life time of indoctrination. I share my beliefs if asked, but I would not ever hate on someone for not thinking like me. Unless they hated dragons.
THIS christian bisexual here and i really dislike how the bible teaches that people should be loving towards everyone yet JWs just dont get it and go on and spread hatred towards people that disagree with them
Watching this video reminded me of something Hitchens said a few months before he died. The God of the Bible is a cruel character, he makes us objects in a cruel experiment in which we are created "sick" and then commanded to be well. All the while demanding uncritical praise & swift to punish the original sins with which he so tenderly gifted us with in the first place. However, there is salvation and you can have it for the low price of your critical faculties. This video is the perfect testament to that.
Much Love to you. I am Christian. I have no argument for your logic. I have my faith, regardless. And you are welcome to have your own opinions about him and his son Jesus Christ. If you decide to change your mind, the Gospel is in : 1Corinthians15:2-4. ❤️💕❤️💕❤️💕❤️💕❤️ For the record the logic you found is impressive.
I'm having real problems with a JW member in my team at work. So basically, I'm a gay guy, out to friends and family and close co-workers. This particular JW co-worker is spewing his anti gay rhetoric on an almost daily basis. I've tried for so long not to let it get to me, but I'm so close to breaking point. I really don't know if I would have any luck with raising a grievance against him, as he's not aiming any of his views at me particularly, since I haven't told him of my orientation. I feel like he will get away with anything as his views are based on his religious beliefs. This guy is batshit crazy. Your videos are really opening my eyes to how backwards they really are. I think they may help me with defending myself from any indirect abuse he tries to give me, if/when he ever finds out about me. Thanks!
Much love to you. I'm confused, JW preach that they aren't allowed to work in the "world". So he's already breaking his own rules. I only found out recently JW refuse to acknowledge the divinity of Jesus Christ. So they aren't saving anyone with that teaching. 1Corinthians15:2-4
The biggest problem I have with the video is they are literally having children tell other children that there parents should not be together. That everything that little girls life is built around should be torn down. Absolutely disgusting.
+Crop Triangle I'm confused. I said "the most" offensive thing was traumatizing a little girl because of her parents love doesn't look the same as others and your mad at me? It honestly sounds like we are on the same side and I'm sorry if my comment made you think otherwise.
Jared Jordan I apologize if I misunderstood your point, but you were vague as to which girl you spoke of. I chose to be confused vs asking you for clarity. Sorry and peace be with you.
Good video, Lloyd! I remember how obsessed they were/are about LGBT etc... 40 years ago during Wimbledon fortnight walked into a brother and sister's house (they were good friends....) and the sister was watching the tennis. It was a women's singles match and i commented that:- "She's a pretty lass..." to which the sister snapped back at me:- "SHE'S A LESBIAN!!!" I didn't, sadly, have the presence of mind to point out that the two things were not mutually exclusive. Anther time I happened to mention that two doors down from me there were two elderly gentlemen living together..... Her first reaction was :- "Are they NORMAL MEN??" To which I replied:- "Yes; they're brothers (siblings)". The way the JWs treat any trans person is a total disgrace too!!!!!
These videos they've created makes me literally sick to my stomach. They actually use the word "hate" several time, implying that their God "hates" a, b, and c. That trains the children to think it's holy and righteous to hate (and to potentially teach other kids to hate their parents, apparently!) , because their God does. Yet, I'm sure if you asked any JW whether they teach their children to hate, they'd say no. I teach kids who are from JW homes... I wonder how many of them have seen these horrible Caleb and Sophia videos?
+Alex Medina Bright " They actually use the word "hate" several time, implying that their God "hates" a, b, and c." There's no implying of anything. The members of the Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses utilize God's Word the Holy Bible as the basis for all its teachings... and we quote where it is written: "O you who love Jehovah, HATE WHAT IS BAD. He is guarding the lives of his loyal ones; He rescues them from the hand of the wicked." - Psalms 97:10 "There are six things that Jehovah HATES; Yes, seven things that he detests: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart plotting wicked schemes, and feet that run quickly to evil, 19 A false witness who lies with every breath, And anyone sowing contentions among brothers." - Proverbs 6:16 - 19 Therefore, contrary to popular but erroneous thinking / belief, the Author and Almighty God of the Bible (YHWH / Yahweh / Jehovah) does have a righteous hating of what is bad in His eyes... Then again, it is also written regarding Him: " “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways are not my ways,” declares Jehovah. 9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So my ways are higher than your ways And my thoughts than your thoughts. " - Isaiah 55:8, 9 We are parents and we absolutely positively teach our children to hate what Jehovah hates and to love what Jehovah loves... just as we are instructed to do so via God's Word the Bible. Perhaps it's the Bible's teaching that Jehovah's Witnesses strive to follow to the best of our imperfect ability that makes you sick to your stomach. Accurate knowledge regarding the Bible's Truth can cure it. Consequently, Caleb and Sophia ROCK! Take care. :-D
+Team Express I'm perfectly aware of what's in the Bible. I agree -- your God does hate a, b, and c. I prefer not to bow down to any supposed deity who is filled of such hate, as is described in the Bible. In fact, if this kind of God is real (which I highly doubt), I would consider him to be one of the most sickening beings to have ever existed. I am glad, however, that you recognise and admit your own hate toward other people, simply because of the way they were born.
" I am glad, however, that you recognise and admit your own hate toward other people, simply because of the way they were born." We admit to no such thing whatsoever. It's not homosexual PEOPLE that we hate at all. Rather, it's homosexual ACTIONS (acts of homosexuality) that we hate. Understand? For example, we HATE SMOKING, however, this does not mean that we hate SMOKERS. It is the ACT of smoking which we have a disdain for, not the smoker themselves. Consequently, there was a time years ago when I did smoke. In the same way, there are those among the worldwide Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses who at one time use to practice the ACT of homosexuality. However, after such ones came to an accurate knowledge of the Truth of God's Word and developed a sincere desire to be pleasing to the Creator, He has enabled such ones to fight against homosexual urges and live a life in accordance to His Word through the exercising of their faith in His Son Jesus Christ. Such ones stand as a direct WITNESS to the world that homosexuality (and many other practices out of harmony with God's Word) CAN be overcome. As for Jehovah being real, well, Jesus Christ himself is a historical person (there does exist evidence of his existence outside of the scriptures) and he stated that he came from God Almighty, that he was SENT by the Creator whom the Jews recognized and worshipped as YHWH / JHVH (Yahweh / Jehovah). Then again, it makes perfect sense that where ever there is intricate detailed design, there by reason of necessity has to be a DESIGNER. Or as Hebrews 3:4 puts it: "Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God." - Hebrews 3:4 You also stated in part; " I prefer not to bow down to any supposed deity who is filled of such hate, as is described in the Bible" Proverbs 6:16 - 19 details EXACTLY what Almighty Jehovah God hates and if you for whatever reason are a lover of (1) haughty eyes, (2) a lying tongue, (3) hands that shed innocent blood, (4) a heart plotting wicked schemes, (5) feet that run quickly to evil, (6) false witness who lies with every breath and (7) anyone sowing contentions among brothers... This would speak volumes regarding the type of person you are at heart. Are you a LOVER of ANY of those 7 aforementioned things? If you aren't then one would think that you'd be happy to know that neither is the Almighty God of the Holy Scriptures... The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. :-)
+Team Express You equate smoking with homosexuality, which is incorrect. Smoking is a choice. Being born LGBT is not. It's like saying, "It's not blue eyed PEOPLE that we hate at all. Rather, it's seeing through BLUE EYES that we hate." LGBT should not have to change who they are because of your interpretation of the Bible. I have friends who are LGBT and Christian. Every single biblical reference you've made has been from the Old Testament... yet Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law. In fact, the one commandment he gave was that we were to love one another. You insinuate that if I'm a "lover of ..." than it "would speak volumes regarding the type of person" I am at heart. Yet you, according to this Caleb and Sophia video, would gladly sent your child to school to "sow contentions among brothers..." amongst classmates by trying to convince them that his/her mothers are terrible people. Yes, I realise you probably don't believe that non-JWs are brothers/sisters, but I believe we should be fostering peace between everyone, regardless of religion. As for "hands that shed innocent blood...": there have been numerous people who have committed suicide as a direct result of the shunning your Governing Body pushes it's congregants to employ. If you like the Old Testament so much, I suggest you re-read the passages on the Prodigal Son. He was welcomed home by his father without question. Not because the son felt bad about what he did. Not because he asked for forgiveness. Not for any other reason than he was hungry. The father welcomed him back because he loved him. Any religion or so-called God that breaks up families is breaking the most sacred thing in the universe: the love between family members. The love from a parent to a child, especially, should be unconditional. I'm going to end my comment here, since it's quite late where I am. I would encourage you watch as many of John Cedars' videos as you can.
@@Art3615 Because we all know the female has to enjoy the coitus in order to become pregnant...🙄 My father is also a gay ex JW **Now, Art, we don't need to bring up how I was conceived. Let's just say you do some things that are completely out of your nature when under mind control - An example that comes to mind right away - I didn't speak to my father for over ten years while under the influence of Watchtower's brainwashing
What I find truly upsetting about this is the pain a real life Sophia would cause if she follows her mothers advise, per this horrific video. If you follow it through logically her friend actually can't do anything about it anyway, other than shun her mom's!
If I was the mother, I would have been more concerned that my son didn’t have a face in the drawing. It’s like the daughter didn’t want him in the family. The mommy-mommy drawing wouldn’t have even been discussed.
You have the best JW videos ever! It's so weird....as a kid growing up with JW parents/family I played along (what else could I do) but I also questioned a lot of things, even at a young age. Why can't women lead prayer? Why are women supposed to be subservient to their husbands? And what about the images and messages in that Paradise book? Geesh, thanks for all the nightmares after having it read to me at bedtime! That being said, I have to credit my upbringing with my love of research on ancient civilizations, public speaking skills and that the experiences caused me to look deeper and question everything I was told was "true"... something that is a large part of my life today at 57. So, do you think the level of fear-mongering and indoctrination among the JWs has gotten more intense in the past few decades? I know I can hardly have a conversation with my aging father because he's become even more biased then ever and insists bringing the whole Jehovah thing into our conversations. I am just glad I survived that experience and was able to move on...
Thank you Lloyd for this great video! As a lesbian ex-JW I really appreciate your work :-) I feel off my chair laughing at the mothers reaction when Sophia told her about the same sex couple. What this vile cartoon deserves is a cartoon response made by any anti -Jehovahs Witnesses group showing the consequences and trouble Sophia would get into in school for forcing her family and religions bigotry and hatred on the girl who has same sex parents. Sadly this cartoon is no joke, because it happens on a daily base! Keep religious hatred and bigotry out of our schools!
I too was born into being a JW. My mom was a single mom that had been told by them while she was pregnant that if she didnt join them that my life would been doomed to hell. We left when I turned 10.
I watched this when it 1st came out, but revisiting it today, I noticed something important from the get-go. It starts with an empty classroom and the noises of the kids playing outside.....except for lonely Sophia, who isn't allowed to enjoy playtime with her worldly (evil) classmates. Instead, she waits alone in the classroom, which allowed her the time to notice this "other" family portrait. Sophia must have been shook! But anyway, how sad is it that Sophia is stuck in a cult, without her agreeing to it or understanding it, taught how to preach at school, rather than go outside and play or have any friends at all. Destined to a life of fear, inability to develop real relationships with others who aren't sitting in a KH like zombies, and a lack of any opportunities for advanced education or career goals. One can't help but feel pity for a cartoon character, because sadly in this case, art does imitate the real life of JW children.
Brilliant video.Love the way you present your videos - serious topics which always give me food for thought, but also, you never fail to have me laughing at the Watchtower, which is very therapeutic. :) Thank you! It's interesting... local to me a lot of older teens are leaving and dong their own thing or fading, and some of their families (stlll in the org) are not shunning them as they are "meant to". I'm sure a lot of it is to do with more and more people like you who are telling it like it is on social media - thank you :). Seems like the biggest growth is in countries where people have less access to the internet.
Is anyone else kind of surprised at the production value on these? I haven't stayed up with JW's releases for years but I remember a while back when my parents (still JW) showed me the more scaled back version of the literature they had switched to (thinner paper, less content, etc), I thought maybe they were going bare bones. Now that I've found this channel, however, it seems to be the exact opposite. I never thought I'd see them modernizing like this. Maybe it's just me getting older and not staying up-to-date. On a side note, I loved how you continued with Genesis 25:6, Genesis 46, and so-on. It's funny how Christians pick and choose from the old testament to fit their narrative. If something is barbaric or immoral by today's standards it's "Well that was a different time and culture. We aren't under these same laws and restrictions," but when it fit's their current belief system it is used as a citation.
Great video! This is low even for the Jehovahs witnesses. Whenever I see things like this I cannot believe I ever bought into this cult for even one second.
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this is as wonderful as it is horrific. my mother, adult daughter and I have been enjoying your videos immensely. keep it up! I recently married a born and raised JW. it is one freakin scary world of brainwashing and total fear based control. I am in the middle of deciding to run for the hills, or live in an everyday battle against the man whom I love, in an attempt to save him. after 45 years inside this insanity, I'm pretty sure it would be a losing battle if I tried. anyway, keep these videos coming ❤💛💚💙💜
Thank you. I'm Christian, and I think there's nothing wrong with being gay or lesbian. All this hate needs to stop . White against black or vice versa , people against Jews, people against gays . It's just how God made people.
+Lauren regnier Well, if that is how you feel. There is nothing wrong with adultery, murder, children being disobedient to their parents, lieing, stealing, lover of money and should I go on.
If everyone was gay there would be no human race. So at some level it is logical that the concept of homosexuality is condemned for the survival of the species. Also if your children are gay that means your genes wont get passed on to the next generation. Not that I condone homophobia, but that is probably part of the reasons why.
WhiteScorpio2 Humans obviously need to have sex with the opposite gender in order to reproduce. Yes I realise nowadays you can use artificial methods, but I'm talking historically. Plus if only artificial methods were used the population would still probably decline. Also you could argue that it's selfish of gay couples to use such methods anyway as they are intentionally depriving the child of half its genealogy and the chance of a balanced upbringing with both a mother and a father which is still proven to be best. So again a dislike of homosexuality in society is somewhat warranted.
You don't need a modern clinic to have an artificial insemination. So no, if everyone were gay, human race would still survive. You should concede this point. Also "if everyone were gay" is an empty point to begin with, since there is no reason why everyone would've been gay. That's like saying "If everyone was a carpenter we would have no farmers and die from hunger" and basing your hatred of carpenters on that. That's, forgive my frankness, a moronic point. Now, about "depriving child a mother and a father". Is it better to just deprive the child his whole existence? Homosexual couples do just fine about raising children. Definitely better than single parents do and much better than orphanages do. Honestly, living without both a father and a mother isn't that horrible that the child shouldn't exist at all. That's also, should I say, a rather strange and illogical point. But these things you mention don't seem to me like the basis for a hatred of homosexuality. They sure don't warrant people being harassed and offended or even killed or children being thrown out of the houses. I still see no alternative but to blame religions like Christianity or Islam for the spread of homophobia.
I didn't say I hated gay people, my other comment is actually the highest rated on here *defending* homosexuals. I was just trying to think of possible reasons why they are or have been histrionically in relation to the original question. Yes you can say through religion, but if we assume those are man made, why did that paradigm ever come into existence in the first place? So I would say its probably through evolution, as its natural to socially condemn any behaviour that may threaten the population of the species/tribe. At a subconscious level anyway. Seems like you are just being pedantic, would our ancestors have a greater chance of reproduction using crude artificial insemination techniques or by having regular heterosexual sex? Yes if everyone was gay and using insemination the human race may still have survived, but I seriously doubt it would have been nearly so prosperous. In your example, yes if people were starving and in desperate need of farmers then people would have a 'hatred' towards those that weren't contributing to what's most needed. That may explain why people are generally more accepting of gay people now since we are becoming over-populated. The 'better to deprive the child a whole existence' point is a bit philosophical with many possible tangents. I do see what you mean though, but to me it does seem selfish of homosexual couples to artificially have children (adoption is different) as they are intentionally setting out to deprive them of either a mother/father and is all a pretence. I've heard the same thing from gay people too so is not homophobic.
later Sophia gets detention for spreading homophobic ideology onto Carrie, saying she and her moms will not go to heaven for being a same-sex parent family (carrie is also doomed for supporting them), which highly upset Carrie, who told her moms she wanted to go to heaven but also loved them a lot, and said the only way they all could go was for her moms to divorce and marry men. Sophia's parents then threatened to sue the school for religious discrimination because Carrie should've been punished for displaying 'homosexual' propaganda in school, and not Sophia, who was doing 'Jehovah's duty' The school decided to no longer do family portraits, and Sophia and Carrie were put in separate classes
OMG....I grew up in Jw religion and I left...but I am gay...and I mean it is exact how I think..It is such a right explanation..Thanks sooo soooo much for this video...
Well done. Can anyone explain why her brother's face is not done on the drawing? There must be some sort of undying message. I have not figured it out,yet.
+Colin Murray I have read when a child draws their own face with no features it can be a sign that the are being abused or that someone in the home is being abused but it is being hidden. No eyes to see, no mouth to speak what is happening. It is in fact disturbing.
+Vege Nostic This is true. There is certainly enough of a history of hiding sexual abuse in the Organization to consider this questionable. People think that there are no educated people in the Organization, but the people at the top are highly educated. I don't think something like this is likely to have been missed by so many.
Steve Lowen When you're in a religion, you usually believe that religion _is_ reality and truth. And even if you don't, you just see to your life and don't think about it much
@Steve Lowen Christianity is just belief in Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. The bible is up to interpretation and unlike Jehovah Witness they aren't controlled by a single organization. So the only risk you have is if your family is just crazy Christians lol.
Holy crap, I felt your anger. I love how you chose a tone of voice like talking to children to prevent yourself from screaming and shaking the camera. Awesome content as always.
I remember having a Jehovah's witness friend in elementary school. She invited me over to do homework and play one night. when we were reviewing each other has homework I realized she didn't have any sentences at all. When I tried to explain to her what a sentence was, her grandmother thought it meant putting a capital letter at the beginning of a line and a period at the end of the line. My tiny brain couldn't handle that much stupidity so I asked if we could go play. Her idea of play was sending all our Barbies to hell. It was pretty messed up
Thank you for taking apart this vile and destructive video. I have had several JW friends with gay tendencies and some of them ended up committing suicide because of the JW's narrow-minded and bigoted view on homosexuality.
Hi, Lloyd. I've seen a bunch of these on Telltale's channel and just now, watching this one on yours, I noticed that in the bit of animation featuring the fellow dropping his duffel bag in the purple place outside of the colourful spot with the yellow filter on it and run along through the gates separating Purple Filter Land from Yellow Filter Land, happily unfettered by whatever ungodly stuff is in that bag. If you know whether or not purple is bad news to JWs in some way, please, please tell me why? Never been a Witness or even been interested in being one for a moment, but I love your work, man. Cheers!
Hey, this was a great video! I'm actually Christian myself (liberal-leaning Protestant, and VERY pro-LGBT), and it really does sadden me to see those that call themselves "Christians" to spread such hateful messages and bigotry. I might be understanding if they DISAGREE with homosexuality, but a line is definitely crossed when bigots attack the people themselves. I've also heard of the Uganda situation, and was incredibly disgusted by what these radical "Christian" evangelicals did. My church may spread the word of God, but they don't spread HATE. They spread their message, help those in impoverished countries, and tell them that Jesus, the Son of God and part of God Himself no matter what the JWs want to say... Jesus loves you. Straight, gay, bi, whatever. That's what these "Christians" should have done in Uganda. Not advance an agenda.
This video by the JW's is bold. For the longest time, they have relied on the premise that only heterosexual relationships can truly be happy. Now, they have abandoned that empty lie, even quoting the teacher saying they're happy and in love, and are simply saying you'll die at Armageddon. The false tautologies employed by the JW's know no ends. It's bad, and that's why Jehovah hates it. But if you're a JW like I was, and never studied logic, you'd never see the error.
It's bad, and that's why Jehovah hates it. And because Jehovah hates it, it must be bad. And if it's bad, then that means Jehovah hates it. And if Jehovah hates it, then that's how we know it's bad. And if it's bad, then we know Jehovah surely hates it. And if Jehovah-
Always enjoy watching your analysis of JW trash! This is perfect to prepare for my family's wave of hatred based on content swirling up in their bigoted heads....and they wonder why I don't attend meetings or the myriad of conventions they have my little brothers must not be exposed to their horrible message of hate. Again thank you!
My sister is gay and was involved in a relationship with another sister at the Kingdom Hall , she was disfellowshipped and no one can talk with her, she says she will not be gay anymore too the elders but wants to remain friends after reinstatement , the elders are saying no way , she is very depressed , crazy situation
+Robert Iannucci Tell you sister to be Gay if that is who she is, and to walk away from that religion and never go back. She has escaped from one of the most dangerous and unpleasant cults in the world. She is free. Do NOT let her go back. Check jwfacts.com and jwsurvey.org if she wants help to realise that the JW religion is totally false.
I'm sure it will come soon. A "sister" approaches another sister about her husband kicking her ass and the more "spiritually mature sister" will tell her to be more obedient and make tastier meals and then he'll see what a good witnesss she and and he'll come into the truth. The closing shot of husband and wife smiling and holding hands. Obedient wife will have missing teeth, but the important thing is that he is now her brother.
You have to look at religions such as the JWs from a broader perspective. Religion is there to unite people. It's there to bring peace to conflicting ideas brought about by a clash of cultures. That's why there's faith. Faith serves the purpose of keeping the peace among people by offering a utopian world where all problems will eventually be solved by a higher power. Faith and religion offer you a comfortable life in peace. Now, it's obvious that the Christian religions come from a different background than, let's say, the Islam. The Muslim belief was established in a different context, which is why it differs so drastically from Christianity although both are based on the same foundation. If you look at other belief systems such as Buddhism, you will find a different story. Religion also creates really strong emotional bonds because you frame certain people as your allies and other as your enemies. Now, in the old times, people felt they were entitled to just kill people from other beliefs (unless both cultures were equally strong and people realized that fighting wasn't a good idea, which then leads to a mixing of belief systems or to religions giving up their right to kill the opposing religion). Since the enemy is way too strong, you can't just go around killing people of differing beliefs. You need to make a compromise. That's when the mind starts to play a huge role because, now, you live in reality but in your mind you are far away in a distant utopian world. So, in the end... Everybody who thinks killing is wrong, will have to use their minds to deal with this emotional conflict. Faith can be really strong, or let's just call it imagination because that's just what it is.
@John Cedars I love your analysis and break down of these videos! I'm definitely going to subscribe! Do you know of any vlogers like yourself but focus on the Mormon religion? Thank you!
Oh, this is a series! I feel dumb as I've seen reviews to two of the videos already and failed to connect them. The anti-gay video became very well known and the toy one came to my attention via the Atheist Experience. Am looking forward to your opinions on this, I've yet to see an ex-JW POV on this.
I'm not ex JW, I didn't end up joining. They lied about their entire organization to me face. They said children are not a part of the religion, only adults, this obviously shows they lied about that too.
@@jennajoseph893 Lying is what they do, I am very glad you did not join. Yes, not only are children part of the religion as they are expected to play more of an active part in it than in a lot of other religions. For example, they are dragged around knocking on doors- pre-COVID, at any rate- regardless of how dangerous this may be; are expected to convert peers at school which is a sure way of becoming immediately ostracized (and I wonder if this is not deliberate); are even told they should give their ice-cream money to the org.
I'm a transwoman and I do believe being gay or trans can be a choice. But that doesn't change anything regarding human rights: we are free to act as we want regardless of what cultists think, just as they have their right to exercise their CHOICE to be bigots.
Lady Eklipse i’m a bi,ever since i was a kid i felt an attraction to boys even if i still don’t know it that much when i was younger,i didn’t choose to have an attraction to boys.
How lower can this cult fall :/. Just watched few of your videos John ( among many other ex-jw videos ), and I must admit, I am very impressed with the way you are doing it. Keep it up, respect!
HOLY SHIT, I WAS WATCHING THIS VIDEO (which I totally agree with) AND I WAS EATING A FORTUNE COOKIE AND THE FORTUNE WAS "FAITH IS PERSONAL BUT NEVER PRIVATE" HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN?!?!
Just like how I watched a new kid say nothing about people being gay and their views on it, just stated that they were Christian when someone asked and 4 LGBTQ+ people started calling that person a bigot and told them to go and do some horrible things to their life. I think both sides need to breathe and step back from each others throats. Attacking Christians isn't gonna help their view on homosexuality.
I will need to develop much more patience to ever be able to discuss something like this with a witness without losing it and screaming at them. It's so difficult to be delicate and try to help someone out of a cult when their logic is so clearly faulty and the beliefs are so disgusting and wrong and yet they still believe it. It's hard not to get passionate about it. Excellent video Lloyd!
+TRUE NOT DREW Trying to help someone out of a cult is almost like talking to a brick wall. I've been trying with my own family for years. It's so difficult to remain calm and composed when they're spewing out watchtower logic. I feel your pain.
I'm sexually attracted to rocks, I didn't choose this. After all papers & scissors are condescending & oppressive against rocks so why would opt for something that smolders my life?
As a former jw. Grew up in that religion. I can say I fought for years my sexual orientation. Trying to do "the right thing". Even if you fight all your life you CAN NOT change being gay or lesbian. No matter how much you pray to Jehovah, no matter how much help you get from the elders. Nothing can change your sexual orientation. If you are gay you are gay.
I think my favourite debunking ever, not only does it address indoctrination methods on children but by what they say makes the entire premise of the jdub teachings ridiculous! How powerful these cartoons truly are! 😉 Well done sir
This cartoon series is one of the few things that make me relieved I grew up in an ultra-Mormon neighborhood instead of a Jehovah’s Witnesses neighborhood. I was never really part of the church, but still.
When I was a JW I was so homophobic. I actually cringe at the way I used to think and talk about gay people. Funny that as soon as I stop, I stopped thinking in that way. Even when I was one I could see how people were being brainwashed. I was nearly brainwashed. The money they get in donations goes into hiring out massive arenas for their assembly’s. for fuck sake they hire Twickenham to do it. Do you know how much money that would fucking cost. Near to the millions. They don’t even donate to charity’s as they believe that the end is so near that there is no point. It’s sad
Tru Agape.....What seems like magic is usually some form of advanced technology that not everyone understands. The mother stunted her child's imagination and creativity in my opinion.
I like how even in the context of this hateful video, 'Carrie' has zero problems with her two 'mommies'. 'Carrie' did not ask for help, there was nothing about her being upset, nothing about her being sad she doesn't have a father, or badly raised in general.
All she said is that her mums were married to each other, and only that when asked, she didn't even bring it up herself.
This video isn't just teaching kids to preach when asked an opinion, it's teaching them to straight up shove their unwanted, unasked for opinions down the throats of others.
Any kid who does this in real life is just going to end up friendless.
PlasticSurgery Beth It's pretty sad, really.
And most likely beaten up these days
Not before making Carrie question her mum's marriage and putting them in a horrid position of having to explain to her kid about religious preduice and ruining her innocence.
They encourage kids to only make friends in the religon. Everyone else has a wordly influence that conflicts their goals.
Brittany Overbeck ur wrong, we teach our kids to preach so when at school they can share the truth with their friends and others
As an ex JW who's a Lesbian....thank you.
+Selina Lehnsherr I've been homophobic for so many years due to my upbringing, so making this video has been good karma! ;)
+John Cedars Ha I hear that....since I've left my experience in coming out has been...well..horrible. I actually wrote about two experiences I've had. If you have a few minutes check it out...it's both cringeworthy and borderline hilarious. It's always appreciated though when others like yourself take a stand for equality.
cambriadirden.wordpress.com/2015/11/29/jehovahs-witnesses-shunning-part-2-2/
cambriadirden.wordpress.com/2016/04/02/a-jehovahs-witnesss-view-on-homosexuality-an-old-conversation-and-how-it-makes-me-feel-better-about-my-life/
+John Cedars The fact that you said people have to change their sexuality before coming JWs is very inaccurate.
Shell Shocked Shithead well , he and his father created man so you already have the answer . The real question is, do you care what God and Jesus think qqq
John Cedars well, I don't hate gay people , they do however have the same chance as everyone else to change but only if they want to , meaning someone will have to answer to God .
What's upsetting is that when the subject was brought up, the teacher tried to normalize it because she recognized that Carrie having 2 mommies was not the norm in this classroom, meaning that she could be the target to bullying. However, Sophia's mom basically told her to bully a kid! Like, Carrie is not even the gay one, and she has no control over her moms' sexuality!
Fr that’s what I’m saying. Sophia‘s mom is basically telling her to harass an innocent child for something that isn’t even her fault.
I'm a heterosexual woman but would rather be in a committed relationship with a woman than a man or an organization that treats me like i am worth less than another human being / man / MS / Elder / etc.
Maybe you're homoromantic?
@@nikolaipetrichor2065 she talks about how christianity and all of it spinoffs put women under men and less valuable than men and under the tier of human not men.
Not all men think women are under them
"My teacher says all that matters is loving each other."
"That is correct."
THE END
Jesse The Memester No it's not. The END
@@BlairRatchetandClank yes it is. THE END.
So true... I mean when you're writing that script and you see those sentences and you need to add something, there should be a question rising up in your mind. Kinda reminds me of the 'Are we the baddies?' sketch.
So much this. Spot on.
No there are stuff more than consent
Thank you so much for this video. JW is too, the religion on my birth and getting out was the hardest thing I've ever done. As a little child, I was taught to be homophobic and bigoted. I used to feel ashamed of that, but I don't anymore. It wasn't my choice to be indoctrinated. They ruined my life and even though I've definitively been an atheist for more than 4 years, I'm still not over everything I've been through and my hate for JW. Today I support LGBT people so much and the people who are either gay, transgender or what not and born into religion and then get out and stand by who they are, are SO STRONG. I admire those people so much. Getting out of a cult is hard, but there is life on the other side. Keep up the good work :)
Sophia: Carrie, can I tell you about the Paradise that your two Mom's won't be going to because they're gay?
Carrie: That depends. Do you want to swallow your teeth?
stay tune for the next jw video:
Masturbation leads to homosexuality.
In this episode, Caleb must learn to hold the bible before his joy stick, to avoid liking little Jonny someday.
+tita adorno heh heh... nice one. coming.
Caleb, do you really want to play with something Jehovah hates? Lmao
Oh.... so that’s why I’m gay😂
They just brought out a video for the servants at Warwick telling them that humping your pillow is not allowed---
I love seeing straight people defend the LGBTQ! we all really appreciate you, thank you so much for making these kinds of videos!
Jesus had two dads, and he turned out just fine! :)
+Byron Stander THAT was fantastic!
+Byron Stander He was one of the greatest men whoever lived. ;)
Yes....and he didn't call him Jehovah or friend either....The Lords prayer doesn't start with Our Jehovah...who is in heaven?
boom! correct!
+Byron Stander Well played!
I really hate how well animated these cartoons are.
Fr they could’ve chose to use this beautiful animation on something that’s not meant to brainwash kids and push hateful opinions
Absolutely one of your best videos to date. You would be hard pressed to find anyone handle this topic better than that. This is the civil rights issue of our era.
I found it painfully boring to listen to compared to other videos responding to this propaganda.
i remember when i was a witness my mother would tell me that if we see a person who is homosexual, then we should persuade them not to be and in my head i would be like i don’t think it’ll work or they would even listen but ok you keep saying that. i’m so glad i told nobody that
Fr If you had you probably would’ve just upset people
In behalf of all my LGBT friends, I applaud this video message so much!!! Thank you♡
The video from watchtower made me really ill. The adult judgemental attitude is hard enough to bear, but being told what to do by judgemental children, is a step too far.
Totally agree.
"But my teacher said that the only thing matters is that they love each other and are happy"
JW Mommy: *REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*
In real life this is what would happen
"Mom I want to go to college"
JW Mommy: "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
Can someone please explain Reee to me? Is that like screaming?
~~~ Sincerely, Genuinely confused
You see this? This is a Goddamn standing ovation over here. Nicely done sir!
+Covert Fade Thank you my friend! :)
I love how I literally just finished watching this video thinking "cedars needs to talk about this" and at that exact moment I get a notification that you did!
Jehovah's hand at it again
+Bubbaboey99 pretty much ha-ha
“Magic is baaaaaaaaaaaad”
Me, as I draw Dimentio and Jevil: oops lmao
Let's sell D&D books to JW members, the looks on their faces will be epic!
Me, a witch: 👁👄👁
Ex jw witch. I misunderstood the assignment
Here's what I don't understand about the anti-gay logic: If you are a straight person then you know what it is like to have 0 attraction to someone of the same sex and usually that would mean you find the thought of romantically being with someone of the same sex very unattractive. Thus how could you think it is a choice to be gay rather than straight? Would someone just wake up and say "Although I am strongly put off by the thought of it, I think I am going to try and force myself to be gay for a while and see how that works out"?
+Barnabas Ghoul That is the prime example of indoctrination over empathy. People have to be taught to ignore such a simple thing as thinking, 'what if I were in their shoes?' because we have selected old writings that already have the answers.
Take that same logic, and subtract out attraction, and love. Subtract Sex, subtract any romance.
Only hand holding if absolutely necessary.
Then ask the question again.
Remember: Straight people had the same issue with the same people, because they wanted: love, romance, attraction, and sex for pleasure in their marriages.
I think it might have been called the sexual Revolution in the 1970s.
I'm Christian. My reference is strictly for context and understanding of the mindset differences.
Fr Gay people don’t even choose to be gay and since they want a romantic life like everyone else they choose to go with who they have attraction to. Trying to force yourself to be attracted to something that you’re not attracted to will just lead to you living a sad life as it’s nobody’s fault for being gay
Closeted bi folks may genuinely think it's a choice.... because they CAN choose.
Bisexual here and no that's not how we work. We are still bisexual even if we are with an opposite gender partner. We don't become straight etc.
I know a gay guy in my old congregation. The elders know he is gay, and have told him, he must not practice his homosexuality in any way. If he gets the urge to, he needs to pray more and get the elders spiritual help. In other words he has to live a lie for the rest of his life.
Just celibate. Just can't act on the feelings. How cruel!
Mr Lloyd I absolutely love you! This video is brilliant and hits the nail on the head. Im a gay recently Ex-JW that was booted out the church for being gay and Im just so happy to see the reality of the organisation that I used to serve. As a gay man myself I wholeheartedly can tell you that it is NOT a choice. Thanks again!
I’m so confused. So I’m Christian.
Christians and JW do NOT get along. Also JW and Catholics hate each other.
So let me get this straight JW tell the children to use a sales tactic against gay people and pitch an idea. Saying they can change ON THEIR OWN. Then they kick out those same people saying they can’t change. I mean damn. Even fundamental Christians have a stance, and Evangelical Christians have an opposing stance; but JW just be saying both and throwing them out.
IM Sorry for your trauma. Much love in your Recovery. ❤️💕❤️💕❤️❤️❤️❤️💕💕💕❤️💕
Watchtower has sunk to a new low. These videos disgust me.
This is not from the Watchtower. This is from someone else. Men having sex with men, and women with women, IS condemned in the Bible. Try reading it once in a while. It's morally debased conduct and not natural. True Jehovah loves everyone, but certain actions he hates, and that is one of them. Also, there are more people in the world not just JW's that feel this way. If being gay was not wrong, then why do the majority of people think so? Another point, you can't procreate if you are gay, trans, whatever. I'm not being hateful, just giving the facts.
I know its horrible and for the record I personally think Carrie's picture looks nicer than Sophia's
@@mrpickle069 jesus Never mentioned homosexuality. Thats in the old testament along with stoning people and marrying your rapist. Dont cherry pick. The world is overpopulated, so not everyone needs to have kids. Marriage is not simply about procreating.
@@mrpickle069 just got fuck yourself. Homophobic bigot
@@Simplethings-rg6wu Hell yeah
I am a pansexual evangelical Christian, and it's not my place to force my beliefs on anyone. I do not judge or condemn people for their life choices. At least I try not to. It's hard to break free of a life time of indoctrination. I share my beliefs if asked, but I would not ever hate on someone for not thinking like me. Unless they hated dragons.
THIS
christian bisexual here and i really dislike how the bible teaches that people should be loving towards everyone yet JWs just dont get it and go on and spread hatred towards people that disagree with them
Watching this video reminded me of something Hitchens said a few months before he died.
The God of the Bible is a cruel character, he makes us objects in a cruel experiment in which we are created "sick" and then commanded to be well. All the while demanding uncritical praise & swift to punish the original sins with which he so tenderly gifted us with in the first place.
However, there is salvation and you can have it for the low price of your critical faculties.
This video is the perfect testament to that.
Did he say that in a video or in one of his books?
Repent
REPENT for the kingdom of heaven is at hand
Much Love to you. I am Christian. I have no argument for your logic.
I have my faith, regardless. And you are welcome to have your own opinions about him and his son Jesus Christ.
If you decide to change your mind, the Gospel is in : 1Corinthians15:2-4.
❤️💕❤️💕❤️💕❤️💕❤️
For the record the logic you found is impressive.
me, a closeted bisexual, at the weekly meeting watching this:
:|
Can I check my sexuality at the gate and pick it up when I get to paradise?
LOL! I guess that what Jehovah wants you to do.
So, "Jehovah" will confiscate my large shampoo bottle if I want to fly on Paradise Airlines, just like LAX TSA?
I'm having real problems with a JW member in my team at work. So basically, I'm a gay guy, out to friends and family and close co-workers. This particular JW co-worker is spewing his anti gay rhetoric on an almost daily basis. I've tried for so long not to let it get to me, but I'm so close to breaking point. I really don't know if I would have any luck with raising a grievance against him, as he's not aiming any of his views at me particularly, since I haven't told him of my orientation. I feel like he will get away with anything as his views are based on his religious beliefs. This guy is batshit crazy. Your videos are really opening my eyes to how backwards they really are. I think they may help me with defending myself from any indirect abuse he tries to give me, if/when he ever finds out about me. Thanks!
Report him to HR
Much love to you. I'm confused, JW preach that they aren't allowed to work in the "world". So he's already breaking his own rules.
I only found out recently JW refuse to acknowledge the divinity of Jesus Christ. So they aren't saving anyone with that teaching.
1Corinthians15:2-4
The scripture I added was only the Gospel. Not any judgements or anything. I really am not trying to offend. So I apologize if I did.
The biggest problem I have with the video is they are literally having children tell other children that there parents should not be together. That everything that little girls life is built around should be torn down. Absolutely disgusting.
+Crop Triangle I'm confused. I said "the most" offensive thing was traumatizing a little girl because of her parents love doesn't look the same as others and your mad at me? It honestly sounds like we are on the same side and I'm sorry if my comment made you think otherwise.
Jared Jordan
I apologize if I misunderstood your point, but you were vague as to which girl you spoke of.
I chose to be confused vs asking you for clarity.
Sorry and peace be with you.
Good video, Lloyd! I remember how obsessed they were/are about LGBT etc... 40 years ago during Wimbledon fortnight walked into a brother and sister's house (they were good friends....) and the sister was watching the tennis. It was a women's singles match and i commented that:- "She's a pretty lass..." to which the sister snapped back at me:- "SHE'S A LESBIAN!!!" I didn't, sadly, have the presence of mind to point out that the two things were not mutually exclusive. Anther time I happened to mention that two doors down from me there were two elderly gentlemen living together..... Her first reaction was :- "Are they NORMAL MEN??" To which I replied:- "Yes; they're brothers (siblings)". The way the JWs treat any trans person is a total disgrace too!!!!!
So, in order to go to paradise i have to cancel my subscription to homosexuality? Ok then...
These videos they've created makes me literally sick to my stomach. They actually use the word "hate" several time, implying that their God "hates" a, b, and c. That trains the children to think it's holy and righteous to hate (and to potentially teach other kids to hate their parents, apparently!) , because their God does. Yet, I'm sure if you asked any JW whether they teach their children to hate, they'd say no. I teach kids who are from JW homes... I wonder how many of them have seen these horrible Caleb and Sophia videos?
+Alex Medina Bright
" They actually use the word "hate" several time, implying that their God "hates" a, b, and c."
There's no implying of anything. The members of the Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses utilize God's Word the Holy Bible as the basis for all its teachings... and we quote where it is written:
"O you who love Jehovah, HATE WHAT IS BAD. He is guarding the lives of his loyal ones; He rescues them from the hand of the wicked."
- Psalms 97:10
"There are six things that Jehovah HATES;
Yes, seven things that he detests:
17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 A heart plotting wicked schemes, and feet that run quickly to evil,
19 A false witness who lies with every breath,
And anyone sowing contentions among brothers."
- Proverbs 6:16 - 19
Therefore, contrary to popular but erroneous thinking / belief, the Author and Almighty God of the Bible (YHWH / Yahweh / Jehovah) does have a righteous hating of what is bad in His eyes... Then again, it is also written regarding Him:
" “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
And your ways are not my ways,” declares Jehovah.
9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So my ways are higher than your ways
And my thoughts than your thoughts. "
- Isaiah 55:8, 9
We are parents and we absolutely positively teach our children to hate what Jehovah hates and to love what Jehovah loves... just as we are instructed to do so via God's Word the Bible. Perhaps it's the Bible's teaching that Jehovah's Witnesses strive to follow to the best of our imperfect ability that makes you sick to your stomach. Accurate knowledge regarding the Bible's Truth can cure it.
Consequently, Caleb and Sophia ROCK!
Take care.
:-D
+Team Express I'm perfectly aware of what's in the Bible. I agree -- your God does hate a, b, and c. I prefer not to bow down to any supposed deity who is filled of such hate, as is described in the Bible. In fact, if this kind of God is real (which I highly doubt), I would consider him to be one of the most sickening beings to have ever existed. I am glad, however, that you recognise and admit your own hate toward other people, simply because of the way they were born.
" I am glad, however, that you recognise and admit your own hate toward other people, simply because of the way they were born."
We admit to no such thing whatsoever. It's not homosexual PEOPLE that we hate at all. Rather, it's homosexual ACTIONS (acts of homosexuality) that we hate.
Understand?
For example, we HATE SMOKING, however, this does not mean that we hate SMOKERS. It is the ACT of smoking which we have a disdain for, not the smoker themselves. Consequently, there was a time years ago when I did smoke.
In the same way, there are those among the worldwide Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses who at one time use to practice the ACT of homosexuality. However, after such ones came to an accurate knowledge of the Truth of God's Word and developed a sincere desire to be pleasing to the Creator, He has enabled such ones to fight against homosexual urges and live a life in accordance to His Word through the exercising of their faith in His Son Jesus Christ.
Such ones stand as a direct WITNESS to the world that homosexuality (and many other practices out of harmony with God's Word) CAN be overcome.
As for Jehovah being real, well, Jesus Christ himself is a historical person (there does exist evidence of his existence outside of the scriptures) and he stated that he came from God Almighty, that he was SENT by the Creator whom the Jews recognized and worshipped as YHWH / JHVH (Yahweh / Jehovah). Then again, it makes perfect sense that where ever there is intricate detailed design, there by reason of necessity has to be a DESIGNER.
Or as Hebrews 3:4 puts it:
"Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God."
- Hebrews 3:4
You also stated in part; " I prefer not to bow down to any supposed deity who is filled of such hate, as is described in the Bible"
Proverbs 6:16 - 19 details EXACTLY what Almighty Jehovah God hates and if you for whatever reason are a lover of (1) haughty eyes, (2) a lying tongue, (3) hands that shed innocent blood, (4) a heart plotting wicked schemes, (5) feet that run quickly to evil, (6) false witness who lies with every breath and (7) anyone sowing contentions among brothers... This would speak volumes regarding the type of person you are at heart.
Are you a LOVER of ANY of those 7 aforementioned things? If you aren't then one would think that you'd be happy to know that neither is the Almighty God of the Holy Scriptures... The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
:-)
+Team Express You equate smoking with homosexuality, which is incorrect. Smoking is a choice. Being born LGBT is not. It's like saying, "It's not blue eyed PEOPLE that we hate at all. Rather, it's seeing through BLUE EYES that we hate." LGBT should not have to change who they are because of your interpretation of the Bible. I have friends who are LGBT and Christian. Every single biblical reference you've made has been from the Old Testament... yet Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law. In fact, the one commandment he gave was that we were to love one another.
You insinuate that if I'm a "lover of ..." than it "would speak volumes regarding the type of person" I am at heart. Yet you, according to this Caleb and Sophia video, would gladly sent your child to school to "sow contentions among brothers..." amongst classmates by trying to convince them that his/her mothers are terrible people. Yes, I realise you probably don't believe that non-JWs are brothers/sisters, but I believe we should be fostering peace between everyone, regardless of religion. As for "hands that shed innocent blood...": there have been numerous people who have committed suicide as a direct result of the shunning your Governing Body pushes it's congregants to employ. If you like the Old Testament so much, I suggest you re-read the passages on the Prodigal Son. He was welcomed home by his father without question. Not because the son felt bad about what he did. Not because he asked for forgiveness. Not for any other reason than he was hungry. The father welcomed him back because he loved him. Any religion or so-called God that breaks up families is breaking the most sacred thing in the universe: the love between family members. The love from a parent to a child, especially, should be unconditional.
I'm going to end my comment here, since it's quite late where I am. I would encourage you watch as many of John Cedars' videos as you can.
Oof, three years late but here’s my two cents.
What ever happed to “love thy neighbour”? Perhaps the JWs have never gotten the memo.
Great video. My mother is a gay ex jw, so I really appreciate this video.
She might have like men at one time. She is a mother, right?
@@Art3615 artifitial insemination, adoption and paid/help with impregnation don't exist.
@@Art3615 Because we all know the female has to enjoy the coitus in order to become pregnant...🙄
My father is also a gay ex JW **Now, Art, we don't need to bring up how I was conceived. Let's just say you do some things that are completely out of your nature when under mind control - An example that comes to mind right away - I didn't speak to my father for over ten years while under the influence of Watchtower's brainwashing
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What I find truly upsetting about this is the pain a real life Sophia would cause if she follows her mothers advise, per this horrific video. If you follow it through logically her friend actually can't do anything about it anyway, other than shun her mom's!
Fr if anything Sophia is just going to make her feel bad about her moms because Sophia doesn’t have any control over what her moms do
"Can't wait to have no friends and be on the wrong side of every argument!" - This girl
I am an ex JW Witness and I can't believe I ever let that them shove their nonsense down my throat finally free
If I was the mother, I would have been more concerned that my son didn’t have a face in the drawing. It’s like the daughter didn’t want him in the family. The mommy-mommy drawing wouldn’t have even been discussed.
Homophobia should have absolutely no place in people's minds at all. Happiness is the key to a really satisfying life.
You have the best JW videos ever! It's so weird....as a kid growing up with JW parents/family I played along (what else could I do) but I also questioned a lot of things, even at a young age. Why can't women lead prayer? Why are women supposed to be subservient to their husbands? And what about the images and messages in that Paradise book? Geesh, thanks for all the nightmares after having it read to me at bedtime! That being said, I have to credit my upbringing with my love of research on ancient civilizations, public speaking skills and that the experiences caused me to look deeper and question everything I was told was "true"... something that is a large part of my life today at 57.
So, do you think the level of fear-mongering and indoctrination among the JWs has gotten more intense in the past few decades? I know I can hardly have a conversation with my aging father because he's become even more biased then ever and insists bringing the whole Jehovah thing into our conversations. I am just glad I survived that experience and was able to move on...
Thank you Lloyd for this great video! As a lesbian ex-JW I really appreciate your work :-) I feel off my chair laughing at the mothers reaction when Sophia told her about the same sex couple. What this vile cartoon deserves is a cartoon response made by any anti -Jehovahs Witnesses group showing the consequences and trouble Sophia would get into in school for forcing her family and religions bigotry and hatred on the girl who has same sex parents. Sadly this cartoon is no joke, because it happens on a daily base! Keep religious hatred and bigotry out of our schools!
I too was born into being a JW. My mom was a single mom that had been told by them while she was pregnant that if she didnt join them that my life would been doomed to hell. We left when I turned 10.
When was this exactly?
I watched this when it 1st came out, but revisiting it today, I noticed something important from the get-go. It starts with an empty classroom and the noises of the kids playing outside.....except for lonely Sophia, who isn't allowed to enjoy playtime with her worldly (evil) classmates. Instead, she waits alone in the classroom, which allowed her the time to notice this "other" family portrait. Sophia must have been shook! But anyway, how sad is it that Sophia is stuck in a cult, without her agreeing to it or understanding it, taught how to preach at school, rather than go outside and play or have any friends at all. Destined to a life of fear, inability to develop real relationships with others who aren't sitting in a KH like zombies, and a lack of any opportunities for advanced education or career goals. One can't help but feel pity for a cartoon character, because sadly in this case, art does imitate the real life of JW children.
As always, right on point. Factual, forceful, fair and unbiased.
Thanks so much for your fine efforts. Please continue.
Brilliant video.Love the way you present your videos - serious topics which always give me food for thought, but also, you never fail to have me laughing at the Watchtower, which is very therapeutic. :) Thank you! It's interesting... local to me a lot of older teens are leaving and dong their own thing or fading, and some of their families (stlll in the org) are not shunning them as they are "meant to". I'm sure a lot of it is to do with more and more people like you who are telling it like it is on social media - thank you :). Seems like the biggest growth is in countries where people have less access to the internet.
My thumbs up made the count total 666... what does Jehovah think of that?
I feel really bad for JW kids....
The opposite it makes me that this vid is 117, in video games that’s the messiah of super soldiers.
Actually, women are created first,female then males are a mutation from the premier sex; FEMALE. This is a scientific FACT!
Is anyone else kind of surprised at the production value on these? I haven't stayed up with JW's releases for years but I remember a while back when my parents (still JW) showed me the more scaled back version of the literature they had switched to (thinner paper, less content, etc), I thought maybe they were going bare bones. Now that I've found this channel, however, it seems to be the exact opposite. I never thought I'd see them modernizing like this. Maybe it's just me getting older and not staying up-to-date.
On a side note, I loved how you continued with Genesis 25:6, Genesis 46, and so-on. It's funny how Christians pick and choose from the old testament to fit their narrative. If something is barbaric or immoral by today's standards it's "Well that was a different time and culture. We aren't under these same laws and restrictions," but when it fit's their current belief system it is used as a citation.
Great video! This is low even for the Jehovahs witnesses. Whenever I see things like this I cannot believe I ever bought into this cult for even one second.
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this is as wonderful as it is horrific. my mother, adult daughter and I have been enjoying your videos immensely. keep it up! I recently married a born and raised JW. it is one freakin scary world of brainwashing and total fear based control. I am in the middle of deciding to run for the hills, or live in an everyday battle against the man whom I love, in an attempt to save him. after 45 years inside this insanity, I'm pretty sure it would be a losing battle if I tried.
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You have true love for him because I would have ditched his ass in only a few months. (That is after knowing all I know now about Watchtower)
I do love his, unconscious ass. we have agreed upon a 3.5 day per week access marriage for now.
Thank you. I'm Christian, and I think there's nothing wrong with being gay or lesbian. All this hate needs to stop . White against black or vice versa , people against Jews, people against gays . It's just how God made people.
+Lauren regnier Well, if that is how you feel. There is nothing wrong with adultery, murder, children being disobedient to their parents, lieing, stealing, lover of money and should I go on.
Anyone else noticed how Adam's arm didn't go up until Eve entered the scene? Almost as if it were a stiffy
It's Adam and Eve, not Lackluster Voice Acting and Budget CGI!
Where does the original Caleb and Sophia cartoon footage come from??
I just don't understand the hatred gays get.
If everyone was gay there would be no human race. So at some level it is logical that the concept of homosexuality is condemned for the survival of the species.
Also if your children are gay that means your genes wont get passed on to the next generation. Not that I condone homophobia, but that is probably part of the reasons why.
"If everyone was gay there would be no human race."
Why not? They are gay, not infertile.
WhiteScorpio2 Humans obviously need to have sex with the opposite gender in order to reproduce. Yes I realise nowadays you can use artificial methods, but I'm talking historically. Plus if only artificial methods were used the population would still probably decline.
Also you could argue that it's selfish of gay couples to use such methods anyway as they are intentionally depriving the child of half its genealogy and the chance of a balanced upbringing with both a mother and a father which is still proven to be best. So again a dislike of homosexuality in society is somewhat warranted.
You don't need a modern clinic to have an artificial insemination. So no, if everyone were gay, human race would still survive. You should concede this point. Also "if everyone were gay" is an empty point to begin with, since there is no reason why everyone would've been gay. That's like saying "If everyone was a carpenter we would have no farmers and die from hunger" and basing your hatred of carpenters on that. That's, forgive my frankness, a moronic point.
Now, about "depriving child a mother and a father". Is it better to just deprive the child his whole existence? Homosexual couples do just fine about raising children. Definitely better than single parents do and much better than orphanages do. Honestly, living without both a father and a mother isn't that horrible that the child shouldn't exist at all. That's also, should I say, a rather strange and illogical point.
But these things you mention don't seem to me like the basis for a hatred of homosexuality. They sure don't warrant people being harassed and offended or even killed or children being thrown out of the houses.
I still see no alternative but to blame religions like Christianity or Islam for the spread of homophobia.
I didn't say I hated gay people, my other comment is actually the highest rated on here *defending* homosexuals. I was just trying to think of possible reasons why they are or have been histrionically in relation to the original question. Yes you can say through religion, but if we assume those are man made, why did that paradigm ever come into existence in the first place? So I would say its probably through evolution, as its natural to socially condemn any behaviour that may threaten the population of the species/tribe. At a subconscious level anyway.
Seems like you are just being pedantic, would our ancestors have a greater chance of reproduction using crude artificial insemination techniques or by having regular heterosexual sex? Yes if everyone was gay and using insemination the human race may still have survived, but I seriously doubt it would have been nearly so prosperous. In your example, yes if people were starving and in desperate need of farmers then people would have a 'hatred' towards those that weren't contributing to what's most needed. That may explain why people are generally more accepting of gay people now since we are becoming over-populated.
The 'better to deprive the child a whole existence' point is a bit philosophical with many possible tangents. I do see what you mean though, but to me it does seem selfish of homosexual couples to artificially have children (adoption is different) as they are intentionally setting out to deprive them of either a mother/father and is all a pretence. I've heard the same thing from gay people too so is not homophobic.
later Sophia gets detention for spreading homophobic ideology onto Carrie, saying she and her moms will not go to heaven for being a same-sex parent family (carrie is also doomed for supporting them), which highly upset Carrie, who told her moms she wanted to go to heaven but also loved them a lot, and said the only way they all could go was for her moms to divorce and marry men.
Sophia's parents then threatened to sue the school for religious discrimination because Carrie should've been punished for displaying 'homosexual' propaganda in school, and not Sophia, who was doing 'Jehovah's duty'
The school decided to no longer do family portraits, and Sophia and Carrie were put in separate classes
OMG....I grew up in Jw religion and I left...but I am gay...and I mean it is exact how I think..It is such a right explanation..Thanks sooo soooo much for this video...
Well done. Can anyone explain why her brother's face is not done on the drawing? There must be some sort of undying message. I have not figured it out,yet.
+Colin Murray I have read when a child draws their own face with no features it can be a sign that the are being abused or that someone in the home is being abused but it is being hidden. No eyes to see, no mouth to speak what is happening. It is in fact disturbing.
+Vege Nostic This is true. There is certainly enough of a history of hiding sexual abuse in the Organization to consider this questionable. People think that there are no educated people in the Organization, but the people at the top are highly educated. I don't think something like this is likely to have been missed by so many.
I'm a Christian lesbian, we exist.
Never doubted you would XD
Steve Lowen When you're in a religion, you usually believe that religion _is_ reality and truth.
And even if you don't, you just see to your life and don't think about it much
Ky Sumthin meaning to be a Christian you have to abstain from women
Your not a Christian
@Steve Lowen Christianity is just belief in Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. The bible is up to interpretation and unlike Jehovah Witness they aren't controlled by a single organization. So the only risk you have is if your family is just crazy Christians lol.
Holy crap, I felt your anger. I love how you chose a tone of voice like talking to children to prevent yourself from screaming and shaking the camera. Awesome content as always.
I remember having a Jehovah's witness friend in elementary school. She invited me over to do homework and play one night. when we were reviewing each other has homework I realized she didn't have any sentences at all. When I tried to explain to her what a sentence was, her grandmother thought it meant putting a capital letter at the beginning of a line and a period at the end of the line.
My tiny brain couldn't handle that much stupidity so I asked if we could go play. Her idea of play was sending all our Barbies to hell. It was pretty messed up
One man and one woman? There are many stories in the Old Testament of men having many women.
Thank you for taking apart this vile and destructive video. I have had several JW friends with gay tendencies and some of them ended up committing suicide because of the JW's narrow-minded and bigoted view on homosexuality.
Hi, Lloyd. I've seen a bunch of these on Telltale's channel and just now, watching this one on yours, I noticed that in the bit of animation featuring the fellow dropping his duffel bag in the purple place outside of the colourful spot with the yellow filter on it and run along through the gates separating Purple Filter Land from Yellow Filter Land, happily unfettered by whatever ungodly stuff is in that bag. If you know whether or not purple is bad news to JWs in some way, please, please tell me why?
Never been a Witness or even been interested in being one for a moment, but I love your work, man. Cheers!
Thank you, I wasn't really sure and just always felt guilty. You gave me a voice my brother.
Hey, this was a great video! I'm actually Christian myself (liberal-leaning Protestant, and VERY pro-LGBT), and it really does sadden me to see those that call themselves "Christians" to spread such hateful messages and bigotry. I might be understanding if they DISAGREE with homosexuality, but a line is definitely crossed when bigots attack the people themselves. I've also heard of the Uganda situation, and was incredibly disgusted by what these radical "Christian" evangelicals did.
My church may spread the word of God, but they don't spread HATE. They spread their message, help those in impoverished countries, and tell them that Jesus, the Son of God and part of God Himself no matter what the JWs want to say... Jesus loves you. Straight, gay, bi, whatever. That's what these "Christians" should have done in Uganda. Not advance an agenda.
This video by the JW's is bold. For the longest time, they have relied on the premise that only heterosexual relationships can truly be happy. Now, they have abandoned that empty lie, even quoting the teacher saying they're happy and in love, and are simply saying you'll die at Armageddon.
The false tautologies employed by the JW's know no ends. It's bad, and that's why Jehovah hates it. But if you're a JW like I was, and never studied logic, you'd never see the error.
It's bad, and that's why Jehovah hates it. And because Jehovah hates it, it must be bad. And if it's bad, then that means Jehovah hates it. And if Jehovah hates it, then that's how we know it's bad. And if it's bad, then we know Jehovah surely hates it. And if Jehovah-
not trying to start an argument but what are the books in the backround?
Thanks for this video. You are very articulate and this is an important message. It's a shame that the people who need to hear it rarely do.
Brilliant video.
It's frightening to think how many kids are being misled into bigotry.
Keep up the good work.
Always enjoy watching your analysis of JW trash! This is perfect to prepare for my family's wave of hatred based on content swirling up in their bigoted heads....and they wonder why I don't attend meetings or the myriad of conventions they have my little brothers must not be exposed to their horrible message of hate. Again thank you!
What's the documentary called on Netflix called?
Sittin' here giggling away listening to your commentary on this... so funny. Whew! Thanks for that joy!
My sister is gay and was involved in a relationship with another sister at the Kingdom Hall , she was disfellowshipped and no one can talk with her, she says she will not be gay anymore too the elders but wants to remain friends after reinstatement , the elders are saying no way , she is very depressed , crazy situation
+Robert Iannucci Tell you sister to be Gay if that is who she is, and to walk away from that religion and never go back. She has escaped from one of the most dangerous and unpleasant cults in the world. She is free. Do NOT let her go back. Check jwfacts.com and jwsurvey.org if she wants help to realise that the JW religion is totally false.
+RockBottom 44 *Rolls eyes.
Lloyd, this is honestly one of your BEST videos that you've done to date. Great job! Thank you!
Do you have any videos on the "place" of women in the JW org.?
I'm sure it will come soon. A "sister" approaches another sister about her husband kicking her ass and the more "spiritually mature sister" will tell her to be more obedient and make tastier meals and then he'll see what a good witnesss she and and he'll come into the truth. The closing shot of husband and wife smiling and holding hands. Obedient wife will have missing teeth, but the important thing is that he is now her brother.
I find magic, entertaining. Special effects in movies are like magic, entertaining. Personal choices belong to the person. Peace to all.
You have to look at religions such as the JWs from a broader perspective. Religion is there to unite people. It's there to bring peace to conflicting ideas brought about by a clash of cultures. That's why there's faith. Faith serves the purpose of keeping the peace among people by offering a utopian world where all problems will eventually be solved by a higher power.
Faith and religion offer you a comfortable life in peace.
Now, it's obvious that the Christian religions come from a different background than, let's say, the Islam. The Muslim belief was established in a different context, which is why it differs so drastically from Christianity although both are based on the same foundation.
If you look at other belief systems such as Buddhism, you will find a different story.
Religion also creates really strong emotional bonds because you frame certain people as your allies and other as your enemies.
Now, in the old times, people felt they were entitled to just kill people from other beliefs (unless both cultures were equally strong and people realized that fighting wasn't a good idea, which then leads to a mixing of belief systems or to religions giving up their right to kill the opposing religion). Since the enemy is way too strong, you can't just go around killing people of differing beliefs. You need to make a compromise. That's when the mind starts to play a huge role because, now, you live in reality but in your mind you are far away in a distant utopian world.
So, in the end... Everybody who thinks killing is wrong, will have to use their minds to deal with this emotional conflict. Faith can be really strong, or let's just call it imagination because that's just what it is.
@John Cedars I love your analysis and break down of these videos! I'm definitely going to subscribe! Do you know of any vlogers like yourself but focus on the Mormon religion? Thank you!
Mr. Atheist does.
It breaks my heart to think Prince was mixed up in this cult.
Oh, this is a series! I feel dumb as I've seen reviews to two of the videos already and failed to connect them. The anti-gay video became very well known and the toy one came to my attention via the Atheist Experience.
Am looking forward to your opinions on this, I've yet to see an ex-JW POV on this.
I'm not ex JW, I didn't end up joining. They lied about their entire organization to me face. They said children are not a part of the religion, only adults, this obviously shows they lied about that too.
@@jennajoseph893 Lying is what they do, I am very glad you did not join.
Yes, not only are children part of the religion as they are expected to play more of an active part in it than in a lot of other religions. For example, they are dragged around knocking on doors- pre-COVID, at any rate- regardless of how dangerous this may be; are expected to convert peers at school which is a sure way of becoming immediately ostracized (and I wonder if this is not deliberate); are even told they should give their ice-cream money to the org.
I'm a transwoman and I do believe being gay or trans can be a choice. But that doesn't change anything regarding human rights: we are free to act as we want regardless of what cultists think, just as they have their right to exercise their CHOICE to be bigots.
Lady Eklipse i’m a bi,ever since i was a kid i felt an attraction to boys even if i still don’t know it that much when i was younger,i didn’t choose to have an attraction to boys.
Love your speech. Your are talking from heart. Thank you for this. Nothing else matters than being from heart and having a brain.
What about 1 Thessalonians 4:11 which says: “Mind your business”. I have never heard that being read in any meeting
Who likes magic, Jehovah or Satan? The answer is neither since neither of them exists.
How lower can this cult fall :/. Just watched few of your videos John ( among many other ex-jw videos ), and I must admit, I am very impressed with the way you are doing it. Keep it up, respect!
HOLY SHIT, I WAS WATCHING THIS VIDEO (which I totally agree with) AND I WAS EATING A FORTUNE COOKIE AND THE FORTUNE WAS "FAITH IS PERSONAL BUT NEVER PRIVATE" HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN?!?!
Just like how I watched a new kid say nothing about people being gay and their views on it, just stated that they were Christian when someone asked and 4 LGBTQ+ people started calling that person a bigot and told them to go and do some horrible things to their life. I think both sides need to breathe and step back from each others throats. Attacking Christians isn't gonna help their view on homosexuality.
Wait, if Jehovah hates magic why does he use it himself?
I will need to develop much more patience to ever be able to discuss something like this with a witness without losing it and screaming at them. It's so difficult to be delicate and try to help someone out of a cult when their logic is so clearly faulty and the beliefs are so disgusting and wrong and yet they still believe it. It's hard not to get passionate about it. Excellent video Lloyd!
+TRUE NOT DREW Trying to help someone out of a cult is almost like talking to a brick wall. I've been trying with my own family for years. It's so difficult to remain calm and composed when they're spewing out watchtower logic. I feel your pain.
I'm sexually attracted to rocks, I didn't choose this. After all papers & scissors are condescending & oppressive against rocks so why would opt for something that smolders my life?
As a former jw. Grew up in that religion. I can say I fought for years my sexual orientation. Trying to do "the right thing". Even if you fight all your life you CAN NOT change being gay or lesbian. No matter how much you pray to Jehovah, no matter how much help you get from the elders. Nothing can change your sexual orientation. If you are gay you are gay.
One of yours best rebuttals. Great job!!
What was that about butt holes?
I think my favourite debunking ever, not only does it address indoctrination methods on children but by what they say makes the entire premise of the jdub teachings ridiculous! How powerful these cartoons truly are! 😉 Well done sir
See people we put all of our gay in a bag and drop it before Metal detectors
Also great video
USS OHIO BB 12 BATTLESHIP lol sounds like MacDoesIt
This cartoon series is one of the few things that make me relieved I grew up in an ultra-Mormon neighborhood instead of a Jehovah’s Witnesses neighborhood. I was never really part of the church, but still.
HOW DARE we LGBTQ people exist!? The nerve of us! Don't we realize we are an inconvenience to the JWs? lol.
When I was a JW I was so homophobic. I actually cringe at the way I used to think and talk about gay people. Funny that as soon as I stop, I stopped thinking in that way. Even when I was one I could see how people were being brainwashed. I was nearly brainwashed. The money they get in donations goes into hiring out massive arenas for their assembly’s. for fuck sake they hire Twickenham to do it. Do you know how much money that would fucking cost. Near to the millions. They don’t even donate to charity’s as they believe that the end is so near that there is no point. It’s sad
Judas kisses Jesus and even he didn’t say no homo
I can't find the original cartoon anymore.
Jehovah hates magic? Didnt he turn Aarons rod or staff into a serpent and it gobbled up all the other wise men's serpents???
And Lots wife into salt...
Tru Agape.....What seems like magic is usually some form of advanced technology that not everyone understands.
The mother stunted her child's imagination and creativity in my opinion.
I don't consider the oui
I don't think the ouija board is magicak.
I don't think the ouija board is magicak.