I worked in an elementary school as a librarian for a few years and there was a boy just like this who spent a lot of time in the library with me when his class celebrated birthdays and holidays. He always looked so sad. It just seemed like child abuse to single out this poor boy to deny him the fun that his classmates were having with cupcakes on birthdays and treats on holidays. I also had a parent come in and research what jack-o-lanterns were all about, because she thought they might be pagan. Before we knew it, the entire school was decorating pumpkins with flowers, etc. instead of carving the faces for Halloween- and teachers were throwing out all of their classroom books about Halloween. Why do these people have to force their odd religion on everyone else?!?
Why? Because Christians and monotheistic religions in general are incapable of coexisting with non-believers. Their entire belief system revolves around forcing their rules and ideals and traditions on otthers. It's basically a "my way or the highway" way of thinking. If it does not strictly align with their beliefs, then it is pagan and therefore wrong and evil and must be eliminated. To them, it is infinitely better to suffer horribly as a Christian than to live peacefully as anything else because God's infinite glory will compensate for the suffering in mortal life, and they use that as justification for every scummy thing they do in the name of white American Jesus. Evangelical parents think they are doing the kids of other parents a favour by forcing their beliefs on them. If taken to the extreme, they would torture children of other parents to convert or die trying (which is what Native boarding schools basically did). They want to bring stuff like that back, and little things like making a public school accomadate Christian beliefs at the expense of other children's enjoyment is just another step in that direction.
This is why our school district decades ago, said, "No birthday, No holidays in the classroom. Our small university city has had a multitude of religious beliefs. So they settled it - no celebrations at all. Oh yes, many folks were angry - while others were satisfied. It took a while to get used to - but everyone lived through the transition of not celebrating traditional Christian holidays in public school.
I despise Puritans of any religion or ideology, as they are very miserable due to their overly strict ideology and desire to make everyone else as miserable as they are.
I had JW friends growing up. I use to bring them gifts for being my friend, and treats because "it was a good day" I didn't tell them I knew it was their birthday or around their birthdays
My son had JW friends growing up. Every year, they had a big party in the summer. It was meant to replace their birthdays, we all knew it and took gifts.
I had a JW friend growing up too and we were talking about being a JW but I never broke the boundaries that she said her religion caused her to follow. I do believe at one point though I told her it was totally wrong that she couldn't celebrate anything because the only thing that I didn't celebrate growing up was Halloween.
Oh, and I used to bring in flyers for my church and show them to her, but she would say that she couldn't touch them. She couldn't read them. She couldn't even so much as touch them, but we would talk about like the Bible and the differences between our religions and church that we went to and things like that. And I still talked where we're still close friends. We're absolutely best friends actually. And no, she did not continue to be a JW as an adult
If Jacob is already so sneaky as a 6yo licking that cupcake, i can see the criminal route he will go down growing up. It always starts with a cupcake and finally you find yourself kissing a girl before marriage and getting a blood transfusion after being in a near fatal accident!!
I know, from a kid that was JW cult adjacent- It’s the Cupcakes. They’re a downward spiral. I mean, soon after I was reading Harry Potter and listening to rap.
My JW cousin informed me that her, her husband, and 4 kids weren't doing the whole birthday/holiday thing anymore, but I was free to continue sending gifts. My mind boggled. All I heard was selfishness.
Shelise is too ethical; the goal isn't 'what's best for children' , the goal is to bind children to the cult with fear, and sunk-cost logical fallacies.
Yeah. She came at/for me after I commented why would you put your kid in catholic school after if caused you harm. She went off. 😂 but like… why would you. 😂
You think the goal is to bind children to the JW organization with fear and a tendency for JWs to continue their method of teaching even when abandoning it would be more beneficial to the child? Is that what you mean? A person would have to know what God's word the bible teaches and then apply it to know one way or another. Do you know what God's word teaches regarding how to raise children? JWs do. What do you think is required to gain God's approval? JWs know. Do you believe the part about Armageddon is about fear? Armageddon is about liberation not fear and yes when a member breaks scriptural laws with no repentance, they are considered wicked and removed as a JW per the scriptures. Would a Christian hang with a wicked person? Bible council says bad association spoils useful habits.
In the Netherlands, Jevovah's witnesses told us that birthdays were not allowed because they were selfish and idolizing 'false idols'. Nobody ever listened to that, but this is even more weird than I have ever heard of.
I can proudly say I had a friend who voiced the Afrikaans(a language spoken in South Africa) version of the bully character in Caleb and Sophia, hes ex-JW.
I took my tiny baby and left an abusive marriage, the organization and the state, rather than force my child to grow up in this insane religion. My only regret is that I didn't flee much sooner! At one point my sister and I had a weekly butting of head's when she brought my son a copy of My Book of Bible Stories. several weeks in a row and I threw them away every time. She finally gave up.
You saved your child from so much trauma by getting away, and throwing that book out. I'm 42 and still have nightmares about everything from being raised a JW, those bible stories were really horrible and disturbing, and the constant fear drilled in us was traumatizing.
I would have been a terrible JW kid. I 100% would have ate that cupcake and told no one. I would have nightmares about going to hell, but the cupcake would have been worth it.
They got it wrong. It's "You will deny me three times before the rooster crows." It said NOTHING about him having to deny him in order for the rooster to crow.
My daughter had a friend that was JW. Her father had married her mother when she was 14 and he was 50. At school she was not allowed to celebrate anything….But on her birthdays, I would bake her a cake and get her a present. She was such a sweet child. Last year on her 16th birthday, she got married to a man in her church that was 45. My age. That poor child already delivered her first baby!
It’s repulsive that we allow this child abuse. We give a little too much power and deference to religions. Why the heck do so many cults not allow female minors to grow up?
I had a friend in junior high who was JW and I remember hiding in the bathroom to exchange Christmas gifts with her. I didn't know why we had to hide to do this. I haven't thought about that in years.
It's so gross how a religion can get a kid to feel guilty over something as trivial as wanting something to the point where he goes crawling to confession in absolute shame. You'd think he killed his neighbors dog or something.
@@CultstoConsciousness I was not raised JW, but I was indoctrinated into a fundamentalist version of non-denominational christianity with some evangelical influences. I understand the impulse to tell on myself for all the supposed "sins," but what fascinates me is how these institutions get their followers to do their own dirty work for them.
It's so easy to make a kid take anything _that_ seriously, bc in that age everything seems _that_ important. He really doesn't see much difference between his conduct and Peter's betrayal.
There's atheist content creators and then there's Owen... man cares about saving people from cults more than any organized religion cares about humanity guaranteed
My Mom (grew up Catholic) said all the kids would say how if just thinking about sinning was as bad as doing it you might as well do it. After all as long as you're sincere in your repentance God forgives everything. What horrible "morals" to teach kids.
Wow... This triggered something so deep and strong within me that I had the urge to throw my phone across the room while the cartoon was playing. Off to JW cupcake therapy I go!
This explains so much. My JW MIL always gave us really nice anniversary gifts, and would always do a "no reason" "family turkey dinner" in November which was NOT Thanksgiving.
I was always moved out of the classroom as well. My mom would tell my teacher on the first day of school that I was a JW and told her that I couldn’t participate in holidays . She then said I could stand for the flag salute, but not place my hand on my heart or say the pledge . She also would mention that I couldn’t take blood transfusions if I got hurt and to call her immediately. I’m in my 40’s so there were no cell phones. If my mom was not home, then what would have happened to me . Would a doctor have went a head and gave me blood ? I was always living in fear of getting hurt as a child. I was always disappointing my friends by not going to their birthdays . Sometimes their mom’s would ask why JW’s didn’t celebrate and all I knew to say was I guess it’s in the Bible idk. Whenever a parent would ask why I didn’t celebrate anything I would say it’s in the Bible idk . I would ask my parents as a kid and I got different answers “ it’s in the Bible, it’s pagan , it’s how it is stop questioning it , when you turn 18 and move out you can do what you want. “ My parents obviously didn’t know the answers, which looking back was reckless with the blood issues for their children. I moved out at 18 btw lol. Also I forgot to add that in junior high I asked to join the band and learn an instrument. I was told no because I would be playing holiday music and patriotic music.
From what i know, they will do it anyway bc even parents say no. Yes they will try to convince the parents but doctors can aks legal rights for the child. But I don't know how it was back than.
It definitely is, it left a lot of us stunted emotionally and developmentally when it came to interpersonal skills. We were told the other kids were bad association simply because they were not JW kids so we were not supposed to be friends with them. It was hard to never be able to accept play invitations or go to after school things with them. It reinforced the us vs them mentality that kept a lot of us trapped in the cult for years or decades because we didn't have any outside relationships or support.
These ppl abuse children in other nasty ways as well. Went to a JW assembly once and some weird old man came up to me and started stroking my hair. I was around 12-13.
@@thermostatlord2205 you are right so many of them don't have any personal boundaries and you end up with really dangerous situations where kids are just expected to accept unwanted physical contact which could lead to even worse things happening.
There’s got to be some sort of loophole for bday snacks. Like can you just bring a “just because” cupcake that’s maybe decorated a bit differently from the birthday cupcakes?
No shit, I was kidnapped by a JW cab driver and his wife and they still made me pay full price for my ride when they finally brought me to Walmart after preaching to me and getting me to agree to go to church with them sometime 😂😂😂😂 I live super close to HQ and I've had a handful of experiences with witnesses especially witnesses traveling to HQ and staying at near by hotels....taking everything that wasn't nailed down...one person coming down for breakfast and piling a tray up and bringing it to their room with 12 people in it 😂 fun times. If anyone wants to go TP the JW HQ I'm into it BTW. And if you wanna travel cheap in upper downstate ny ask "does this hotel have a watch tower rate?" It used to be $75 a night I think it's gone up to $90
Preaching in cabs now?! I’m upset when the Uber tries to make regular conversation 😂 (usually because I’m busy working on my phone responding to comments haha)
Y’all are both great and have great chemistry, I wanna see more of these collabs in the future! This is the beginning of an anti-cult superhero league if I’ve ever seen one
I remember feeling crushed and like the entire world was falling apart when i would do something i wasn't supposed to as a JW kid. I had terrible nightmares about it being my fault that all my classmates and teachers were going to die at the end of the world in Armageddon because I had not taught them about Jehovah so they couldn't be saved. Thats the kind of pressure they put on all of us. I rejected birthday gifts from my non JW dad and extended family because I was convinced by my mom and the propaganda that accepting those gifts was a serious sin against god and could result in not only me dieing at Armageddon but my father and relatives too because i wouldn't be setting the right example for them. I was between 4 and 11 when i was having all those thoughts and nightmares.
Also: "I've got cat hair all over me." Yep, whatever our differences, Owen and I absolutely relate. During the last video I spent half of it watching that adorable orange FLOOF MONSTER in the background.
I had a JW friend in high-school and I was her "bad influence" 😅 I would give her Valentine day candies. Have her sing Christmas carols with me. Go out swimming and hang out together after school. 😁😈🎉😂 I can't remember if she ever preach to me. I think I was too much for her to handle. Like a moth to a flame 😅 We lost touch after high-school, she was so sweet and so smart. ❤ I wish her the best. 😊
@@CultstoConsciousnessJW are so overboard on the whole birthdays. They need to stop making a big deal out it. It’s not like celebrating your birthday it’s not going to hurt anyone.
My aunt is a JW and I remember that the bed time stories on the few visits there were...horrible. More horrible than catholic church services. I had nightmares because we were told a story about how Jehova would kill every nonbeliever while only the righteous JW would go to paradise. I was a non-member and also a small child. It was...horrible. Couldn't sleep well for weeks afterwards.
In all fairness, "pagan" means "peasant" in latin (paganus). Because most of country people were holding to the ancient beliefs, as christianity developed mainly in urban area. So it became a synonym to non-christian. But the first roman meaning is "of the countryside".
I bet one of the JW leaders way back at the start of the group had low attendance at their birthday party then decided that "birthdays are stupid anyway so we don't celebrate them anymore."
Birthdays are part of our personal history, and holidays celebrate the history of our faith traditions. The JWs are strange not to have created holidays of their own.
19:48 THANK YOU SHELISE!!! That's exactly what I was thinking, so much shame for something that he didn't even ultimately do! And he did not deny Jesus, he just got flustered, and understandably so! Ughh this episode in particular pisses me off as a Christian so much, because this Bible story is taken completely out of context here! 😡 And I'm sorry, but his classmates would never confront him like that, kids that age really don't give a crap about what their classmate's religion is. P.S. Wait till Shelise finds out that they don't celebrate Christmas either! Is there a Caleb and Sophia video about Christmas?
It’s all too much!!! Yes I know about the Christmas thing since doing other interviews with ex JWs. It’s so interesting and honestly I just feel bad for the kids
@@CultstoConsciousness I do too! I actually lived across the street from a JW church for several years as a child (though back then I had no idea what it was because it did not look like a church at all!), and there were two boys (brothers) in grade school who were probably JWs because they always had to sit out whenever we did our yearly Christmas pageant. I always felt so bad for them because Christmas is my favorite holiday and I love music (these little plays were musicals), so I would've been devastated if it were me! 😢 I don't think they were allowed to participate in the Spring plays we did either, even though those weren't affiliated with any specific holiday or occasion.
I know that JW kids are programmed to say “No, I don’t feel left out(by not celebrating birthdays/Christmas), I get gifts all year long!” And although it’s undoubtedly a good thing to get presents “just because,” every interview of someone who was raised JW and later left has said that yes, they *did* feel left out.
I grew up catholic and it's so different lol they even have a special mass at church for when you turn 15, I had one and I've gone to a few and then a huge party afterwards with a lot of alcohol and then you'll see them at church the day after 😂.I couldn't imagine not celebrating my birthday, as I've gotten older I usually take a trip for my birthday and just do whatever makes me happy and of course have cake lol I had a few jw friends in hs and we grew apart because they weren't allowed to do anything and if they did they had to go before their parsh and tell everyone what they did (we didnt even do anything"bad"), it was sad.
This is really child abuse. I would never allow a religion to treat my child like this. You make it a crime to eat a cake? And children should not be allowed to preach either. That is also ridiculous.
Teacher kicked me outside the class room when they had religious stuff or bday party. It made this even worse. I waited there outside and alone, nothing to do. When kids had christmas event, I sit alone in class room. Nothing to do again, teacher not even put tv on. (Yes this was far before cell phones, there wasnt anything to do, just sit still.) And wait the event is over. I felt so outsider, not worthy, bullied. Kids does follow you like this if you make mistekes they say oooh hey JWs shouldnt do that. So this was accurate for that part. I have been preaching door to door and once kid from my school open the door. Well it was nothing everyone already knew that I was JW. School world is kids preaching area and org encourage for it.
I had a JW coworker. She wouldn’t even take a treat out of my community candy dish if it was in holiday-associated wrappers. It wasn’t a gift or a celebration of anything. Coworkers would contribute candy, cash to buy candy or sometimes a seasonal candy dish because I kept it stocked 24/7/365. If it was too festive, she’d avoid it like the plague. Very nonsensical.
I hate how emotionally manipulative the whole "make Jehova sad" thing is, they know kids won't want to upset god, and they also don't say "god will be angry with you" because fear wouldn't work as effectively as shame of making someone upset does
My best friend since we were 1 is JW and she’s always been kinda ashamed of it, never wanted me to tell anyone that she’s a witness. Don’t know how you can feel ashamed of what you are but still believe in the religion.
She’s being a “bad” JW by simply being your friend. It’s so hard to leave the religion because they shun you if you do. Some people can’t stand going thru shunning so they never leave.
Her family has never really been strict with anything, well except from the birthdays and holidays. I pretty much grew up in their home and they never tried to push anything on me. That’s why I don’t get the shame. Yes, she’s gone through the most awful relationships because of the fear of shunning. Her last abusive boyfriend threaten her all the time that he would tell the elders (he’s not in the religion) if she left him. 6 months ago he did go to them and she was officially excluded from the organisation. As a child from two parents that grew up in another cult, I’m so happy that this happened because the religion has only given her negative experiences. She never really had any friends in the org so she didn’t lose relationships and her parents could care less that she’s not in the organisation, they just want her to be happy.
When I was in high school we had a childcare class and a group of preschoolers that came in 3 days a week. There were 3 JW kids and they broke my heart. I'm glad in a way that they had each other but when one of the kids was telling us how church is the devil's house and the like, it's just so sad. Then when I was 16 a trio of JW's came to my house and ended up having me in tears because they kept pressuring me.
I grew up JW, one time a friend and I skipped school to watch movies at her house while her mom was gone and my mom knocked on the door with a JW group. The curtains were open, we hid under the table forever worried they were still there and would see us lol
Owen Morgan has a really good head on his shoulders and plenty to say worth hearing and paying attention to! And even though he as an atheist has a world view that I as a Christian disagree with strongly, I will admit that he is right and in more ways than one! He deserves every credit, and should get every credit!!
In my floral class in high school for my senior year we had a JW. Someone brought up celebrating birthdays and the JW girl said JWs didn’t celebrate birthdays because if they did they would blow up or something similar of a ridiculous answer. I grew up Catholic and my family celebrated birthdays and holidays. I thought the Jehovah Witness answer was ridiculous
My husband grew up JW. He felt so socially outcast and othered because of stuff like this with the no holidays. It is hard for him to relate to others and socialize to this day because he was never allowed to make friends with his peers that weren't fellow JWs growing up, play sports, or participate in a lot of the activities at school. He also missed out on a lot of the pop culture growing up, so he can't relate in that way either. It's all just a tactic to reinforce the "us vs them" ideology, guilt, shame, and socially isolate JW kids. It's messed up. I started studying with the JWs at 12 and got baptized at 17, so I at least wasn't socially isolated in that way growing up for the majority of my childhood.
It's amazing to me that there's so much media fuss about "Satanic cults" when so many of the real cults are some variation of Christianity Also, animated Jesus and Peter are ABSOLUTELY in love here, I refuse to believe anything else
A close person in Jesus's inner circle denying knowing him and risking death if he acknowledged him is the same as eating a birthday cupcake. Ok. Got it. While I didn't grow up with this particular belief, it really crystallizes how ridiculous religions can get
Using Peter's Denial of Jesus to shame a child out of the simple joy of sweets and birth day celebration is beyond sick and repressed and should be considered actual blasphemy by Christian doctrine This garbage does do real harm to young kids As a religious trauma survivor I would know I truly believe God wants us to celebrate and enjoy things I still struggle with reputation and guilt to this day even so
I heard something interesting recently. Jesus had delusions of grandeur, thought he was the son of god, had hallucinations…he may have been schizophrenic!
Thank you these people keep trying to pressure me into coming to bible study. They come to my home and my work I have told them many times no politely but they won't stop
@owenmorgantelltale the accent is generically Latinx. There are some JW pockets in Latinx communities (in California my specific region). My understanding is that JW actively seek to convert within these communities. As a young person, I had to attend a JW wedding entirely in Spanish. Longest and creepiest wedding I’ve ever been to. Anyway, there’s definitely some tactical ‘sense of validity and belonging’ stuff going on here with trying to appeal to Spanish speaking immigrant families. I’ve done Feminist analysis of representation in media etc. research at university, and now I am a therapist specializing in trauma, and I think they are really playing to their audience in this. In fact, I’ve heard it criticized in Latinx (and other POC communities) that they are not cool with their families being targeted due to vulnerable issues like racial and immigration injustice. Hit me up and I’d love to do that analysis. Good topics!
Ultimate narcissistic toxic relationship. That shit makes me sick and my stomach turn. LOVE LOVE LOVE Owen. Thanks for doing the collab. Do you have any other episodes with Owen?
Calebs dad sounds like Bela Lugosi. The old actor who played Dracula on film. So his accent is something of east European. Hungary, Romania or something like that.
This is great having Owen here, his commentary on the video was great and I really enjoyed the show.💖💖Thank you both. I think the kid and dad have totally different accents, it's kind of weird sounding.
There were no gifts at the nativity. The Magi met his family later on when he was a young child at a house and it's not clear if that was even around his birthday or not.
I love the way they betrayed the jusus arrested like it were the last ghost in the film Scrooge Ghost of chistmas yet to come like Green Reaper without the stick. Also, I'm showing jusus walking by after Peter denied him like they fo today putting fear in members
Interesting that they don’t count a couple of significant descriptions of birthdays in the Bible: Luke 2, when Jesus was presented in the temple, that was the custom to mark a third birthday. And he got two very special presents: the blessing of Simeon and the pronouncement by the prophetess Anna. And then the time when he stayed at the temple talking to the rabbi instead of coming home-he’d been at the temple because it was the Passover closest to his 12th birthday. Again, a Biblically documented-and, I would say, endorsed-example of making something special out of a child reaching a certain age. Which is what a birthday celebration is.
I am so fortunate that my parents were never religious. Rather that being indoctrinated into a belief system, my siblings and I were left to make up our own minds about religion. This allowed me to view religion with a critical eye and resulted in me being a lifelong atheist.
I used to have a JW coworker. When I asked her about birthdays once, she replied “You accomplish nothing by being born.” You’re here on this earth. Isn’t that an accomplishment?
Cupcakes aside - Jesus made Peter the leader of the church. “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18). Wasn't Paul...
It's so weird just the day before yesterday. Me and a couple of my friends were discussing Jehovah's witnesses and the holidays and Thanksgiving. In particular, because a friend of ours is no longer a part of the religion. But his mother is and where you were talking about. Thanksgiving and all her reasons of not wanting to celebrate Thanksgiving made complete sense. Until she said oh and the pagans and their corn.... like what I whole heartedly laughed but On the subject of Easter So the job is witnesses, call it something else. Take the sacrament on the Friday before the Sunday. So they celebrate Easter on Good Friday the day of the crucifixion. That's kinda what it sounds like to me am I wrong
Choosing beliefs as adults encourages thoughtful consideration and nurtures critical thinking. Without childhood indoctrination, individuals can explore diverse perspectives, fostering a society that values intellectual curiosity, tolerance, and diversity. This approach may contribute to a more open-minded and understanding community, potentially leading to a better society. I say this as an ex-Christian, now an agnostic. I respect all beliefs by the way.
Any church that makes an 8-minute video about the evils of eating a cupcake is not my religion.
😂 you might be onto something
Hahahaha, try and keep a Methodist away from food. Not happening. XD
OMG. Seriously. It's a fucking cupcake.
Forbidden Cupcake of knowledge
That video was treating the cupcake like it was the ring of power from Lord of the Rings. Kinda comical, but also kinda sad
I worked in an elementary school as a librarian for a few years and there was a boy just like this who spent a lot of time in the library with me when his class celebrated birthdays and holidays. He always looked so sad. It just seemed like child abuse to single out this poor boy to deny him the fun that his classmates were having with cupcakes on birthdays and treats on holidays. I also had a parent come in and research what jack-o-lanterns were all about, because she thought they might be pagan. Before we knew it, the entire school was decorating pumpkins with flowers, etc. instead of carving the faces for Halloween- and teachers were throwing out all of their classroom books about Halloween. Why do these people have to force their odd religion on everyone else?!?
It’s always the loud vocal minority that gets their way, isn’t it?
Why? Because Christians and monotheistic religions in general are incapable of coexisting with non-believers. Their entire belief system revolves around forcing their rules and ideals and traditions on otthers. It's basically a "my way or the highway" way of thinking. If it does not strictly align with their beliefs, then it is pagan and therefore wrong and evil and must be eliminated. To them, it is infinitely better to suffer horribly as a Christian than to live peacefully as anything else because God's infinite glory will compensate for the suffering in mortal life, and they use that as justification for every scummy thing they do in the name of white American Jesus. Evangelical parents think they are doing the kids of other parents a favour by forcing their beliefs on them. If taken to the extreme, they would torture children of other parents to convert or die trying (which is what Native boarding schools basically did). They want to bring stuff like that back, and little things like making a public school accomadate Christian beliefs at the expense of other children's enjoyment is just another step in that direction.
This is why our school district decades ago, said, "No birthday, No holidays in the classroom. Our small university city has had a multitude of religious beliefs. So they settled it - no celebrations at all. Oh yes, many folks were angry - while others were satisfied. It took a while to get used to - but everyone lived through the transition of not celebrating traditional Christian holidays in public school.
I despise Puritans of any religion or ideology, as they are very miserable due to their overly strict ideology and desire to make everyone else as miserable as they are.
I agree
I had JW friends growing up. I use to bring them gifts for being my friend, and treats because "it was a good day" I didn't tell them I knew it was their birthday or around their birthdays
Chaotic good!!!
So kind !
My son had JW friends growing up. Every year, they had a big party in the summer. It was meant to replace their birthdays, we all knew it and took gifts.
I had a JW friend growing up too and we were talking about being a JW but I never broke the boundaries that she said her religion caused her to follow. I do believe at one point though I told her it was totally wrong that she couldn't celebrate anything because the only thing that I didn't celebrate growing up was Halloween.
Oh, and I used to bring in flyers for my church and show them to her, but she would say that she couldn't touch them. She couldn't read them. She couldn't even so much as touch them, but we would talk about like the Bible and the differences between our religions and church that we went to and things like that. And I still talked where we're still close friends. We're absolutely best friends actually. And no, she did not continue to be a JW as an adult
If Jacob is already so sneaky as a 6yo licking that cupcake, i can see the criminal route he will go down growing up. It always starts with a cupcake and finally you find yourself kissing a girl before marriage and getting a blood transfusion after being in a near fatal accident!!
😂 I can’t lol
I know, from a kid that was JW cult adjacent- It’s the Cupcakes. They’re a downward spiral. I mean, soon after I was reading Harry Potter and listening to rap.
The cupcake to prison pipeline is real folks! 😂
This is definitely something that would be said in Moral Orel.
😂😂😂
My JW cousin informed me that her, her husband, and 4 kids weren't doing the whole birthday/holiday thing anymore, but I was free to continue sending gifts. My mind boggled. All I heard was selfishness.
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Your cousin is a brainwashed lost cause. And because you're an apostle, you shouldn't be talking to your cousin anymore.
Shelise is too ethical; the goal isn't 'what's best for children' , the goal is to bind children to the cult with fear, and sunk-cost logical fallacies.
Yeah. She came at/for me after I commented why would you put your kid in catholic school after if caused you harm. She went off. 😂 but like… why would you. 😂
You think the goal is to bind children to the JW organization with fear and a tendency for JWs to continue their method of teaching even when abandoning it would be more beneficial to the child? Is that what you mean? A person would have to know what God's word the bible teaches and then apply it to know one way or another. Do you know what God's word teaches regarding how to raise children? JWs do. What do you think is required to gain God's approval? JWs know. Do you believe the part about Armageddon is about fear? Armageddon is about liberation not fear and yes when a member breaks scriptural laws with no repentance, they are considered wicked and removed as a JW per the scriptures. Would a Christian hang with a wicked person? Bible council says bad association spoils useful habits.
@@DawnieG fear, sunk cost, more fear
If you have to be someone's 'friend' to live, I don't think that's called friendship. Just a hunch.
Yeah, it sounds more like a protection racket.
"Nice soul ya got there. Be a real shame if something happened to it."
In the Netherlands, Jevovah's witnesses told us that birthdays were not allowed because they were selfish and idolizing 'false idols'. Nobody ever listened to that, but this is even more weird than I have ever heard of.
I have heard that from a JW client and I’m in Canada 🇨🇦
JWs believe eating a birthday cupcake is a sin? I dodged that bullet from nearly joining them.
I can proudly say I had a friend who voiced the Afrikaans(a language spoken in South Africa) version of the bully character in Caleb and Sophia, hes ex-JW.
I took my tiny baby and left an abusive marriage, the organization and the state, rather than force my child to grow up in this insane religion. My only regret is that I didn't flee much sooner! At one point my sister and I had a weekly butting of head's when she brought my son a copy of My Book of Bible Stories. several weeks in a row and I threw them away every time. She finally gave up.
You saved your child from so much trauma by getting away, and throwing that book out. I'm 42 and still have nightmares about everything from being raised a JW, those bible stories were really horrible and disturbing, and the constant fear drilled in us was traumatizing.
I’m glad you got away.
I would have been a terrible JW kid. I 100% would have ate that cupcake and told no one. I would have nightmares about going to hell, but the cupcake would have been worth it.
There's no hell in jw's cult
Hmmmm, cake. 🧁😋
Just me, most of us still did lol
@@natashapeeters988 really?? Eat the damn cupcake Caleb, just keep your mouth shut. Your parents are mean!!
Cupcakes are always worth it, lol. 😂
When in was in middle school, I had a neighbor who was a JW. She and her family tried to convert us vigorously. I’m glad it didn’t happen.
They got it wrong. It's "You will deny me three times before the rooster crows." It said NOTHING about him having to deny him in order for the rooster to crow.
My daughter had a friend that was JW. Her father had married her mother when she was 14 and he was 50. At school she was not allowed to celebrate anything….But on her birthdays, I would bake her a cake and get her a present. She was such a sweet child. Last year on her 16th birthday, she got married to a man in her church that was 45. My age. That poor child already delivered her first baby!
Just shocking and sad!! The poor women in that cult!
It’s repulsive that we allow this child abuse. We give a little too much power and deference to religions. Why the heck do so many cults not allow female minors to grow up?
I had a friend in junior high who was JW and I remember hiding in the bathroom to exchange Christmas gifts with her. I didn't know why we had to hide to do this. I haven't thought about that in years.
If a JW student saw her they would rat her out and, if she was baptized, she would be disfellowshipped and not allow to eat dinner with her family.
I NEED AN ISOLATED CLIP OF “WHAT IF JEHOVA DOESNT WANT TO BE MY FRIEND ANYMORE” SO I CAN TURN IT INTO A MEME EVERYTIME I DO SOMETHING WRONG.
It's so gross how a religion can get a kid to feel guilty over something as trivial as wanting something to the point where he goes crawling to confession in absolute shame. You'd think he killed his neighbors dog or something.
Exactly!
@@CultstoConsciousness I was not raised JW, but I was indoctrinated into a fundamentalist version of non-denominational christianity with some evangelical influences. I understand the impulse to tell on myself for all the supposed "sins," but what fascinates me is how these institutions get their followers to do their own dirty work for them.
It's so easy to make a kid take anything _that_ seriously, bc in that age everything seems _that_ important. He really doesn't see much difference between his conduct and Peter's betrayal.
My aunt and uncle raised their kids in this cult and I see the pain and scars it caused them. It's really sad.
My birthday is Halloween and I shamelessly celebrate Halloween, my birthday and Reformation Day all in one
Like the heathen I am
Haha that last line 😂
Thank you. I really enjoyed the breakdown of this cartoon. Poor kid was tempted by a cupcake and got visions. No Bueno. - Omar St
There's atheist content creators and then there's Owen... man cares about saving people from cults more than any organized religion cares about humanity guaranteed
And he has cool shirts and stuff! I like Owen a lot!
My Mom (grew up Catholic) said all the kids would say how if just thinking about sinning was as bad as doing it you might as well do it. After all as long as you're sincere in your repentance God forgives everything. What horrible "morals" to teach kids.
Wow... This triggered something so deep and strong within me that I had the urge to throw my phone across the room while the cartoon was playing. Off to JW cupcake therapy I go!
Break the silence. Break the cycle.
This explains so much. My JW MIL always gave us really nice anniversary gifts, and would always do a "no reason" "family turkey dinner" in November which was NOT Thanksgiving.
I was always moved out of the classroom as well. My mom would tell my teacher on the first day of school that I was a JW and told her that I couldn’t participate in holidays . She then said I could stand for the flag salute, but not place my hand on my heart or say the pledge . She also would mention that I couldn’t take blood transfusions if I got hurt and to call her immediately. I’m in my 40’s so there were no cell phones. If my mom was not home, then what would have happened to me . Would a doctor have went a head and gave me blood ? I was always living in fear of getting hurt as a child. I was always disappointing my friends by not going to their birthdays . Sometimes their mom’s would ask why JW’s didn’t celebrate and all I knew to say was I guess it’s in the Bible idk. Whenever a parent would ask why I didn’t celebrate anything I would say it’s in the Bible idk . I would ask my parents as a kid and I got different answers “ it’s in the Bible, it’s pagan , it’s how it is stop questioning it , when you turn 18 and move out you can do what you want. “ My parents obviously didn’t know the answers, which looking back was reckless with the blood issues for their children. I moved out at 18 btw lol.
Also I forgot to add that in junior high I asked to join the band and learn an instrument. I was told no because I would be playing holiday music and patriotic music.
From what i know, they will do it anyway bc even parents say no. Yes they will try to convince the parents but doctors can aks legal rights for the child. But I don't know how it was back than.
It is manipulation to separate children from everybody, who is not a Jehovah's witness. In my opinion, this is child abuse.
It definitely is, it left a lot of us stunted emotionally and developmentally when it came to interpersonal skills. We were told the other kids were bad association simply because they were not JW kids so we were not supposed to be friends with them. It was hard to never be able to accept play invitations or go to after school things with them. It reinforced the us vs them mentality that kept a lot of us trapped in the cult for years or decades because we didn't have any outside relationships or support.
These ppl abuse children in other nasty ways as well. Went to a JW assembly once and some weird old man came up to me and started stroking my hair. I was around 12-13.
@@thermostatlord2205 you are right so many of them don't have any personal boundaries and you end up with really dangerous situations where kids are just expected to accept unwanted physical contact which could lead to even worse things happening.
“How to traumatize Your Child 101”
Cant believe they equated eating a cupcake to denying knowing JC.
Like damn, that is messed up.
There’s got to be some sort of loophole for bday snacks. Like can you just bring a “just because” cupcake that’s maybe decorated a bit differently from the birthday cupcakes?
Going to keep a cupcake and birthday hat by the door so if a JW comes knocking I can put on the hat and offer them a cupcake.
Lawful evil lol
Their Parents are so messed up LoL... 🤦🤦
These cartoons are breaking my heart.
No shit, I was kidnapped by a JW cab driver and his wife and they still made me pay full price for my ride when they finally brought me to Walmart after preaching to me and getting me to agree to go to church with them sometime 😂😂😂😂 I live super close to HQ and I've had a handful of experiences with witnesses especially witnesses traveling to HQ and staying at near by hotels....taking everything that wasn't nailed down...one person coming down for breakfast and piling a tray up and bringing it to their room with 12 people in it 😂 fun times. If anyone wants to go TP the JW HQ I'm into it BTW. And if you wanna travel cheap in upper downstate ny ask "does this hotel have a watch tower rate?" It used to be $75 a night I think it's gone up to $90
Preaching in cabs now?! I’m upset when the Uber tries to make regular conversation 😂 (usually because I’m busy working on my phone responding to comments haha)
Gold, Frankincense and Myrrh. Sounds like awesome birthday presents for the time.
Y’all are both great and have great chemistry, I wanna see more of these collabs in the future! This is the beginning of an anti-cult superhero league if I’ve ever seen one
I remember feeling crushed and like the entire world was falling apart when i would do something i wasn't supposed to as a JW kid. I had terrible nightmares about it being my fault that all my classmates and teachers were going to die at the end of the world in Armageddon because I had not taught them about Jehovah so they couldn't be saved. Thats the kind of pressure they put on all of us. I rejected birthday gifts from my non JW dad and extended family because I was convinced by my mom and the propaganda that accepting those gifts was a serious sin against god and could result in not only me dieing at Armageddon but my father and relatives too because i wouldn't be setting the right example for them. I was between 4 and 11 when i was having all those thoughts and nightmares.
Also: "I've got cat hair all over me." Yep, whatever our differences, Owen and I absolutely relate. During the last video I spent half of it watching that adorable orange FLOOF MONSTER in the background.
I had a JW friend in high-school and I was her "bad influence" 😅 I would give her Valentine day candies. Have her sing Christmas carols with me. Go out swimming and hang out together after school. 😁😈🎉😂
I can't remember if she ever preach to me. I think I was too much for her to handle. Like a moth to a flame 😅
We lost touch after high-school, she was so sweet and so smart. ❤ I wish her the best. 😊
I’m glad she had you!!
@@CultstoConsciousnessJW are so overboard on the whole birthdays. They need to stop making a big deal out it. It’s not like celebrating your birthday it’s not going to hurt anyone.
The dad sounds like Ricardo montabon! You know fantasy island! They irony of that is so funny! Great job guys!.
Super ironic considering the JW terror of tight pants on men and Montalbán's killer dudecolletage as Khan.
Fine Corinthian leather...
My aunt is a JW and I remember that the bed time stories on the few visits there were...horrible. More horrible than catholic church services. I had nightmares because we were told a story about how Jehova would kill every nonbeliever while only the righteous JW would go to paradise.
I was a non-member and also a small child. It was...horrible. Couldn't sleep well for weeks afterwards.
In all fairness, "pagan" means "peasant" in latin (paganus). Because most of country people were holding to the ancient beliefs, as christianity developed mainly in urban area. So it became a synonym to non-christian. But the first roman meaning is "of the countryside".
Just because someone abused their birthday doesn’t mean it should be forbidden for all. That’s not even a logical argument.
I bet one of the JW leaders way back at the start of the group had low attendance at their birthday party then decided that "birthdays are stupid anyway so we don't celebrate them anymore."
I find that interesting since certain birthdays especially in Judaism is important. Like age 3, age 13 etc.
Birthdays are part of our personal history, and holidays celebrate the history of our faith traditions. The JWs are strange not to have created holidays of their own.
19:48 THANK YOU SHELISE!!! That's exactly what I was thinking, so much shame for something that he didn't even ultimately do! And he did not deny Jesus, he just got flustered, and understandably so! Ughh this episode in particular pisses me off as a Christian so much, because this Bible story is taken completely out of context here! 😡 And I'm sorry, but his classmates would never confront him like that, kids that age really don't give a crap about what their classmate's religion is.
P.S. Wait till Shelise finds out that they don't celebrate Christmas either! Is there a Caleb and Sophia video about Christmas?
It’s all too much!!! Yes I know about the Christmas thing since doing other interviews with ex JWs. It’s so interesting and honestly I just feel bad for the kids
@@CultstoConsciousness I do too! I actually lived across the street from a JW church for several years as a child (though back then I had no idea what it was because it did not look like a church at all!), and there were two boys (brothers) in grade school who were probably JWs because they always had to sit out whenever we did our yearly Christmas pageant. I always felt so bad for them because Christmas is my favorite holiday and I love music (these little plays were musicals), so I would've been devastated if it were me! 😢 I don't think they were allowed to participate in the Spring plays we did either, even though those weren't affiliated with any specific holiday or occasion.
I know that JW kids are programmed to say “No, I don’t feel left out(by not celebrating birthdays/Christmas), I get gifts all year long!” And although it’s undoubtedly a good thing to get presents “just because,” every interview of someone who was raised JW and later left has said that yes, they *did* feel left out.
I grew up catholic and it's so different lol they even have a special mass at church for when you turn 15, I had one and I've gone to a few and then a huge party afterwards with a lot of alcohol and then you'll see them at church the day after 😂.I couldn't imagine not celebrating my birthday, as I've gotten older I usually take a trip for my birthday and just do whatever makes me happy and of course have cake lol I had a few jw friends in hs and we grew apart because they weren't allowed to do anything and if they did they had to go before their parsh and tell everyone what they did (we didnt even do anything"bad"), it was sad.
The dad’s accent reminds me of Ricky Ricardo. And I’m still not convinced that celebrating birthdays or anything is bad.
I've heard that the voice actor is Brazilian
This is really child abuse. I would never allow a religion to treat my child like this. You make it a crime to eat a cake? And children should not be allowed to preach either. That is also ridiculous.
I cannot believe they are comparing Peter's betrayal and a little kid eating a cupcake. Ugh..
The Devil's Cupcake. So the dark side has cookies AND cupcakes!
If Jehovah forgives then eat those cupcakes.
I dunno, but I'm pretty sure J-Town would completely understand being betrayed by a six year old if the stakes were cupcakes.
Isn't a birthday actually just an anniversary?
Yeah, they should be allowed to celebrate the marriage of their soul to their body 😂
somebody get owen a freaking valentine to mend his poor damaged child self 😭😭😭
Teacher kicked me outside the class room when they had religious stuff or bday party. It made this even worse. I waited there outside and alone, nothing to do. When kids had christmas event, I sit alone in class room. Nothing to do again, teacher not even put tv on. (Yes this was far before cell phones, there wasnt anything to do, just sit still.) And wait the event is over. I felt so outsider, not worthy, bullied. Kids does follow you like this if you make mistekes they say oooh hey JWs shouldnt do that. So this was accurate for that part. I have been preaching door to door and once kid from my school open the door. Well it was nothing everyone already knew that I was JW. School world is kids preaching area and org encourage for it.
I had a JW coworker. She wouldn’t even take a treat out of my community candy dish if it was in holiday-associated wrappers. It wasn’t a gift or a celebration of anything.
Coworkers would contribute candy, cash to buy candy or sometimes a seasonal candy dish because I kept it stocked 24/7/365. If it was too festive, she’d avoid it like the plague.
Very nonsensical.
I hate how emotionally manipulative the whole "make Jehova sad" thing is, they know kids won't want to upset god, and they also don't say "god will be angry with you" because fear wouldn't work as effectively as shame of making someone upset does
“How to Screw Up Your Kids’ Heads 101”
My best friend since we were 1 is JW and she’s always been kinda ashamed of it, never wanted me to tell anyone that she’s a witness. Don’t know how you can feel ashamed of what you are but still believe in the religion.
She’s being a “bad” JW by simply being your friend. It’s so hard to leave the religion because they shun you if you do. Some people can’t stand going thru shunning so they never leave.
Her family has never really been strict with anything, well except from the birthdays and holidays. I pretty much grew up in their home and they never tried to push anything on me. That’s why I don’t get the shame.
Yes, she’s gone through the most awful relationships because of the fear of shunning. Her last abusive boyfriend threaten her all the time that he would tell the elders (he’s not in the religion) if she left him. 6 months ago he did go to them and she was officially excluded from the organisation.
As a child from two parents that grew up in another cult, I’m so happy that this happened because the religion has only given her negative experiences. She never really had any friends in the org so she didn’t lose relationships and her parents could care less that she’s not in the organisation, they just want her to be happy.
Actually, after Caleb “sins”, he actually has bags under his eyes.
I consider birthdays as celebrating another year of life, because you don’t know what can happen the next week, month or year.
Hi Owen, you are looking well. Great to see you here.
When I was in high school we had a childcare class and a group of preschoolers that came in 3 days a week. There were 3 JW kids and they broke my heart. I'm glad in a way that they had each other but when one of the kids was telling us how church is the devil's house and the like, it's just so sad. Then when I was 16 a trio of JW's came to my house and ended up having me in tears because they kept pressuring me.
I grew up JW, one time a friend and I skipped school to watch movies at her house while her mom was gone and my mom knocked on the door with a JW group. The curtains were open, we hid under the table forever worried they were still there and would see us lol
Owen Morgan has a really good head on his shoulders and plenty to say worth
hearing and paying attention to! And even though he as an atheist has a world
view that I as a Christian disagree with strongly, I will admit that he is right and
in more ways than one! He deserves every credit, and should get every credit!!
In my floral class in high school for my senior year we had a JW. Someone brought up celebrating birthdays and the JW girl said JWs didn’t celebrate birthdays because if they did they would blow up or something similar of a ridiculous answer. I grew up Catholic and my family celebrated birthdays and holidays. I thought the Jehovah Witness answer was ridiculous
My husband grew up JW. He felt so socially outcast and othered because of stuff like this with the no holidays. It is hard for him to relate to others and socialize to this day because he was never allowed to make friends with his peers that weren't fellow JWs growing up, play sports, or participate in a lot of the activities at school. He also missed out on a lot of the pop culture growing up, so he can't relate in that way either.
It's all just a tactic to reinforce the "us vs them" ideology, guilt, shame, and socially isolate JW kids. It's messed up.
I started studying with the JWs at 12 and got baptized at 17, so I at least wasn't socially isolated in that way growing up for the majority of my childhood.
Great interview!!! Thank you!!! ❤
It's amazing to me that there's so much media fuss about "Satanic cults" when so many of the real cults are some variation of Christianity
Also, animated Jesus and Peter are ABSOLUTELY in love here, I refuse to believe anything else
YES!!! On both points 😂❤
I converted from southern baptist(with some lds teachings) to pagan and i LOVE when we're the reason the Abrahamic faiths won't do something 😂
Religious trauma, it's crazy
A close person in Jesus's inner circle denying knowing him and risking death if he acknowledged him is the same as eating a birthday cupcake. Ok. Got it. While I didn't grow up with this particular belief, it really crystallizes how ridiculous religions can get
Thanks for putting it in such simple terms. It’s mind boggling when you spell it out
Using Peter's Denial of Jesus to shame a child out of the simple joy of sweets and birth day celebration is beyond sick and repressed and should be considered actual blasphemy by Christian doctrine
This garbage does do real harm to young kids
As a religious trauma survivor I would know
I truly believe God wants us to celebrate and enjoy things
I still struggle with reputation and guilt to this day even so
Yeah didnt god himself say the world was good when he made it in the bible
I heard something interesting recently.
Jesus had delusions of grandeur, thought he was the son of god, had hallucinations…he may have been schizophrenic!
Thank you these people keep trying to pressure me into coming to bible study. They come to my home and my work I have told them many times no politely but they won't stop
Omg I remember the daily text because a school friend read it on free period so sometimes I’d peek over her shoulder to see what she was reading 😂
@owenmorgantelltale the accent is generically Latinx. There are some JW pockets in Latinx communities (in California my specific region). My understanding is that JW actively seek to convert within these communities. As a young person, I had to attend a JW wedding entirely in Spanish. Longest and creepiest wedding I’ve ever been to. Anyway, there’s definitely some tactical ‘sense of validity and belonging’ stuff going on here with trying to appeal to Spanish speaking immigrant families. I’ve done Feminist analysis of representation in media etc. research at university, and now I am a therapist specializing in trauma, and I think they are really playing to their audience in this. In fact, I’ve heard it criticized in Latinx (and other POC communities) that they are not cool with their families being targeted due to vulnerable issues like racial and immigration injustice. Hit me up and I’d love to do that analysis. Good topics!
Ultimate narcissistic toxic relationship. That shit makes me sick and my stomach turn.
LOVE LOVE LOVE Owen. Thanks for doing the collab. Do you have any other episodes with Owen?
Oh sweet. Just found the one from 3 days ago. Woot woot.
Calebs dad sounds like Bela Lugosi. The old actor who played Dracula on film.
So his accent is something of east European. Hungary, Romania or something like that.
This is great having Owen here, his commentary on the video was great and I really enjoyed the show.💖💖Thank you both. I think the kid and dad have totally different accents, it's kind of weird sounding.
There were no gifts at the nativity. The Magi met his family later on when he was a young child at a house and it's not clear if that was even around his birthday or not.
At one time only the rich and powerful celebrated birthdays. They were the only people in society who had the leisure and money to do that.
And this wasn’t a religious argument.
I love the way they betrayed the jusus arrested like it were the last ghost in the film Scrooge Ghost of chistmas yet to come like Green Reaper without the stick. Also, I'm showing jusus walking by after Peter denied him like they fo today putting fear in members
Interesting that they don’t count a couple of significant descriptions of birthdays in the Bible: Luke 2, when Jesus was presented in the temple, that was the custom to mark a third birthday. And he got two very special presents: the blessing of Simeon and the pronouncement by the prophetess Anna. And then the time when he stayed at the temple talking to the rabbi instead of coming home-he’d been at the temple because it was the Passover closest to his 12th birthday. Again, a Biblically documented-and, I would say, endorsed-example of making something special out of a child reaching a certain age. Which is what a birthday celebration is.
I am so fortunate that my parents were never religious. Rather that being indoctrinated into a belief system, my siblings and I were left to make up our own minds about religion. This allowed me to view religion with a critical eye and resulted in me being a lifelong atheist.
I used to have a JW coworker. When I asked her about birthdays once, she replied “You accomplish nothing by being born.”
You’re here on this earth. Isn’t that an accomplishment?
Most of us just don't remember how hard it was!
I heard that the romans crucified dogs on a particular day of the year because they thought that dogs slighted them in some war.
Commandment number 11: No CUPCAKES!
That was eye opening. I'm 53 and couldn't handle that situation(as expected/required to), how is a child expected to handle it. 😢 wow
I remember being spanked for trying to get on the bus on Halloween
This video makes me so sad - making me think of all the young kids who would be isolated, and miss out on such a simple childhood pass time.
I have waited for this collab for so long, now its finally come along 🎉
Owens looking handsome on C2C! You better let him know it!
This reminds me of the catastrophic blow up in my house after i listened to jefferson airplane in front of my evangelical dad.
Cupcakes aside - Jesus made Peter the leader of the church. “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18). Wasn't Paul...
Radical Islam too, prohibits celebrating birthdays and music.
I started cracking up when I heard the rooster lol.
Show me where it says that you shouldn't celebrate birthdays, I want to read it.
Love the collab! I've been following Owen for years and his videos about Caleb and Sofia have always fascinated me.
It's so weird just the day before yesterday. Me and a couple of my friends were discussing Jehovah's witnesses and the holidays and Thanksgiving. In particular, because a friend of ours is no longer a part of the religion. But his mother is and where you were talking about. Thanksgiving and all her reasons of not wanting to celebrate Thanksgiving made complete sense. Until she said oh and the pagans and their corn.... like what I whole heartedly laughed but On the subject of Easter So the job is witnesses, call it something else. Take the sacrament on the Friday before the Sunday. So they celebrate Easter on Good Friday the day of the crucifixion.
That's kinda what it sounds like to me am I wrong
Choosing beliefs as adults encourages thoughtful consideration and nurtures critical thinking. Without childhood indoctrination, individuals can explore diverse perspectives, fostering a society that values intellectual curiosity, tolerance, and diversity.
This approach may contribute to a more open-minded and understanding community, potentially leading to a better society. I say this as an ex-Christian, now an agnostic. I respect all beliefs by the way.
Critical thinking? We cant have that lol! There’s a reason these sects are against college, especially for women