Maryann Lockwood ya I might do that. Though usually if I think I’m going to do a video on something, I won’t watch Lloyd’s dissection until after I do it because I don’t want to inadvertently pick up on the points he makes and make the same ones. This way, any points we both make is pure coincidence. I already watched this one so I’ll probably wait a while before addressing this Caleb and Sophia video
There was an episode where they kind of mention that Sophia wants to go to college. But because getting a higher education is a form of Satan worshipping in JW she purposely fails a math test.
John F haha. Yeah I'd try and play it down and say things like. "My church sells magazines" - if I really had to say anything. Lies and anxiety- memories of a jw kid!!!
I was in a car group once and a sister wrote "CD" next to a name when we got back in the car. I asked what it meant and she said "Chose Death". This was because they didn't accept literature. Also the sisters used to look at houses and say how they would choose this one or that one once Armageddon wiped out the current occupants. This was done in front of kids all the time. The judgmental "us vs them" attitude, the superiority, the obsession with appearances...all wrapped up in a nice little cartoon. So fun. Creepy.
Wow that gave me a flashback to the rural witnessing..the sisters driving around looking at the big houses and discussing which one they'll have after Armageddon. What a sad way to think!
I experienced similar things and I would get so creeped out by people even so far as describing how they would have to get rid of all the dead bodies before they could occupy the house. Really disturbing stuff for children to hear.
I've never been a Witness but find Lloyd's videos interesting. What you have said has really shocked me though. What horrible things to say, especially in front of children.
I recently had an adult woman call at my door. I politely listened to her presentation but noticed she was shaking like a leaf most likely from nerves. I felt really bad for her. It must be so difficult for a lot of them.
I know for me it caused incredible anxiety. Even if I found someone at home I'd never go back on a return visit because the nerves were so bad. I always felt like I was intruding on people's time.
It’s just such an unnatural thing to do. I don’t think anyone truly enjoys going door to door. Not if they are being completely honest with themselves.
Feel free to acknowledge the fear. You seem worried or afraid. Lets sit. Would you like a hot beverage? It has to be difficult to give a presentation with words and thoughts that actually come from other people. Lets wait on that for now. Today....lets just talk about how you feel being out here giving presentations. It is a paradigm shift when you realize....the visit does NOT have to be about the canned sales pitch but....about this poor person roped into giving some canned sales pitch to join a cult. You may not be interested in joining but you can reach out to the person at the door. KDRogersMD on twitter See XJW in my profile My mother studied when I was 2
Caleb and Sophia is the most heartbreaking indoctrination stuff they produce because its targeting children. They cannot tell right from wrong, it's just so sad how they give a child these terrible morals, creating broken and cult-dependent adults.
Yes! And it gets so hear-breaking in that we see Caleb and Sophia morphing from being normal, happy, happy-go-lucky kids who are happy their friend gave them a cool toy (who wouldn't want a friend like that!) or cool with their classmate having lesbian parents, into mindless drones who hate everyone and everything that is not JW-like. It is horrifying! The people behind this are presenting sweet kids with the occasional penchant for mischief as sinful, wrong and in need of being 'put right'.
Actually this is teaching kids how to behave properly. When kids are preaching door to door they shouldn't be touching other people stuff nor running around that's disrespectful. This isn't a cult. Now it's up to the parent to make sure they behave this is a just a video for kids.
@Tala Habern Technically not because I'm still a normal person. My religion isn't the only thing I talk about. I go shopping, Read, Go to school like any other 13 year old.
I can assure the Watchtower that none of the bad impressions I have about Jehovah's Witnesses are due to the behavior of children. That was a good point, that they're trying to get children, who haven't reached the point of even being *able* to truly accept the religion, to preach it to others (adults) and try to get them to join.
I wasn’t given a choice as a kid. Service was mandatory and if I said I felt sick or didn’t feel like going, my mom would send the Elders to our house to pick me up for field service anyway. On Sundays after the 2 hour meeting they would announce, “We are gathering in the back for afternoon field service.” Then my family would take me back there. I just wanted to go home.
That's because your parents wanted the best of you. I understand it could be hard to go preaching all day and sit for 2 hours listening to a man talk. But it's what's Jehovah wants. As you get older or if your older now you can choose what you want to do Remember, you could always pray and it will make you feel better.
Nasari Vlogs It’s what Jehovah wants? A God wouldn’t want kids to be indoctrinated into a religion, definitely not a religion that protects pedophiles. JW’s need to announce to the congregation who the pedophiles are instead of keeping their deeds secret allowing for more kids to be molested.
Nasari Vlogs It’s not a choice as a child, we are forced. As an adult I can use my own developed mature brain to make informed decisions outside of a damaging religion.
Wow this is insanity! 😞 This jolted a memory, My first time going out preaching, this man listened to my every word, he let me finish, gave me a donation, took the watchtower and tore it in my face, yep! My mother put her arm around me and I cried all the way home. She tried to comfort me about the people of the world, but that didn't matter to me I was a kid. Hated field service after that. So glad I left when I did and never exposed my kids to this horror! Another Great Video!❤
@Jessie Jay awful😞 It's something you never forget. And this is why some of us suffer from anxiety. So much was put on us at a young age. Sorry you went through that. :(
@@Djiril922 for the watchtower magazine. I don't know what the procedure is these days when you offer literature, but back in the 70's a person could give a contribution if they wanted to.
I'm sorry, this promotional video reminds me so much of the instructional video on how to make a crabby patty from Spongebob (esp. the part abt appearence), it only emphasises the ridiculousness of it.
I was baptized at 11. As a brother, that meant the women in the congregation were subordinate. If I was the only brother that showed up for field service, I had to lead the meeting. Leading the meeting meant assigning the car pools/preaching groups, assigning the territory that would be worked, and praying over the day. There I was, 12 years old, in the middle of sisters arguing over whom should be paired with whom and why. And how humiliating to these adult women, many of which were full time pioneers and were infinitely more qualified and knowledgeable than I was. Going door to door was the least of my worries.
I also found it distasteful that a group of women , who wanted to go out in field service would have to wear head-dresses because a boy of 3yrs old was in the group..
Seeing this takes me back to my childhood growing up a JW. Remember being taken out in service and never feeling comfortable speaking to total strangers. So horrible they are still doing this to children.
The worst for me was telling adults what they should think or do. It seemed rude and arrogant to me for a child to be made to do this. There were plenty of adults around to explain cult dogma at the door so it made no sense to ask children to do this.
This is crazy man!!! These people are teaching kids to be sales people from an early age and teaching them to be obedient to the organization!!Really watchtower!!!This is just sickening to the stomach. Thanks for exposing this evil cult Lloyd. Love and blessings to you😍
Dennis McKee I believe you!! A lot of exjw either went into sales or become motivational speakers because you guys were trained so young so it’s not unbelievable. I cannot see how people don’t realize this is a business everything watchtower does is structured has a business plan. It’s crazy man and sad 😞
james46911 I can just imagine dear. It’s disgusting and cruel to kids. Kids should enjoying their childhood of being kids not damn sales person, giving money they don’t have to governing body or to be obedient to these old ass men controlling people’s lives. Kids need to enjoy their youth!!
I recall the general mood being, 'You have to fight the temptation to sleep in on Saturday rather than going out in service.' The 'ministry' was somewhat of a chore.
All I ever wanted was to watch Saturday morning cartoons. But even if I got up early enough I wasn't allowed to watch because I needed to turn my mind to the ministry. It was torturous!!!!
I actually liked fieldservice as a kid. Because I thought it was the truth and we were saving lifes. If i could go back, i would agree with the wordly people. Kids should be allowed to play.
I think the angels are put to sleep. Remember the harmageddon explanation? Jehovah gave life, and are there for free to take it back. (thats not how gifts work btw) But the same logic would work with surplus angels. I think Jehovah puts them to sleep when they served their purpuse.
I was a teenage pioneer and quite often worked alone too. Knocking on doors aged 14 on my own. Challenging Adults in their own homes. Makes me cringe thinking about it.
There were frequent pushes for kids to spend time after school preaching at the doors. Its all cringe worthy. Yet it was not really our choice. KDRogersMD on twitter
I regret dragging my kids out... ughhhh... so glad we can help future generations to NOT repeat the same mistakes.Service was miserable for me UNTIL we were on BREAK. DONUT BRIBES anyone??? lol Btw Lloyd, looking slim. ;)
You hit the nail right on the head with this one. I’m out, but my wife is still in and sometimes takes our kids out in service with her. The only reason they like it is because they can drive around in a car with their “friends” and watch videos. NOBODY, not even adults, enjoy knocking on people’s doors to tell them they should join their religion. This is beyond culty.
Everytime the man spoke...I kept thinking..."Brother Count Dracula!"...He sounded like the old COUNT CHOCULAAaa cereal comercials I heard on TV as a kid....LOL!....I kept expecting Brother Dracula to suddenly say...."I VANT to BITE a HOUSE HOLDER in de neck!"
Caleb & Sophia already received their Christmas gifts as Caleb was assigned 1,914 not-at-homes and 1,975 public talks along with 607 Judicial Committee Hearings. Sophia's Christmas gift was 144,000 doors plus an overlapping generation of litterature carts based on Psalm 68:11 and Jehovah's Witnesses "new light" definition of feminism.
Honest Conscience Dave Sophia will be groomed to be a good JW elders wife and possibly Serve where the need is great. She will be verbally abused and put down daily by her faithful head of a husband who will undoubtably get to drinking and take up with a fine young ministerial servant and tell her that she is having unclean thoughts which she will need to pray about. She will study more, pray more, go in service more, and isolate herself more from the sisters that are older and more experienced. Then she will go to the doctor and find out she has an STD and get disfellowshipped even though she’s only ever slept with her husband.
I don’t have kids either, but I wouldn’t want them to go knocking on doors anyway. You don’t know who is going to answer, and you can get some intimidating householders. Plus it’s dead boring and embarrassing!
It's a terrible idea and the perfect recipe for sex abuse. Then again, considering how much of that there is in the actual KH, odds are the kids are actually safer with random adults than with their 'brothers'.
@@ktm2079 Yes I'm sure those of us who grew up in the religion can recall at least once being yelled at by someone at the door right down the block. That was fun. Did you as well once you got older and maybe went door to door with a friend pretend to knock on doors? I'm sure we all had our little tricks as kids or teens to just "get by" in this ridiculous religion.
Lloyd you are so right in pointing out the backwardness of a child preaching to adults about a religion the child is not yet a member of. I suppose exposing kids to this so young normalizes it: this is what our family does, it is our way of life, this is the right way to serve the true God Jehovah, etc. I wonder what Biblical justification the society uses for having 'unbaptized publishers' of any age. I seem to recall Jesus' apostles left their families behind to follow him.
Me and my friend would pretend to ring doorbells on Saturday mornings, when we’d rather be at home playing barbies and watching cartoons. Especially in neighborhoods closer to home! 😂🤣
Just last night, as I was handing my wife (also an ex-JW) her bowl of chocolate ice cream, I said to her, "this reminds me of my favorite part of going out in service when I was a child". Understandably, she had a look of surprise on her face, as if to say "you HAD a 'favorite part'?!" I nodded and said, "Yes indeed - my favorite part of going out in service when I was a child was... getting a bowl of chocolate ice cream at the restaurant all of the brothers and sisters would "congregate at" (pun intended) after the door-to-door part was over!" 😉
Oh yes, appearance was constantly pounded in my head but what was not, was doing well in school and my desire to take gymnastics, majorette, dancing, being a girl scout . Those dreams were smashed pretty early in childhood.
@@highpeacetess You were not seen as people with your own desires. You were just to be a part in the JW machine. Its unnatural and abusive. KDRogersMD on twitter
They insist on preaching so much not to bring in new members necessarily but the main reason is to preach at themselves and do self-brainwashing every day!
Yuck, why did he hide the toy plane like he stole it? Like WT does....steals people time & life. I'm disgusted because I love cartoons they are suppose to be funny & innocent 😡😤.... The Borg ruins everything, goddamn fun police!!!!
@Skjeren Kristjenson Read Steven Hassans book on cult mind control. Yes the actions of the org are for a purpose. If you read outside material or have time for other activities, you might learn it all was a pack of lies. I learned that simply by looking at rocks, and trying to sort them by ages as in pre Noah's flood and post. KDRogersMD on twitter See XJW in my profile there
I absolutely HATED field service! I would make up any excuse not to go. Also hated meetings, conventions etc. Was born into this farce and it took me over 50 years to get out. The only thing I enjoyed about those things was being with others until I realized all that fellowship and friendship was conditional. I think the practice of forcing, yes forcing, your children to do this boarders on child abuse. Ask your child if he or she wants to go out and ask them for an honest answer telling them they do not need to and I bet 95% will stay home.
I remember the day I was at work and I saw a young woman with a child and I realized I'll never have to take my kids preaching and I felt so free. Plus they (should they come to exist) can play sports and not be around religious hypocrites
Yes me & my siblings never had a choice either, so in the end we just went along with whats expected completely indoctrinated as didn't know any different. Are they not suppose to imitate Jesus? He started his ministry as an adult.
It is child abuse. Making a child feel guilty about play....is child abuse. Making a child into an adult business salesman clone.....is child abuse. Unpaid child labor at that age....is child abuse. Children up to age 12 should be learning basic work tasks to care for self and to contribute to the family ie picking up after themselves, dusting, setting the table, sweeping or using a small mop to clean up when they track in mud. They should gradually learn to fold their clothes and put them away, put away shoes and jacket, and make their bed. It is developmentally inappropriate to use children as part of a corporate labor force. The job of early childhood is to learn that much, attend school, do school work....and to play. Rarely a child may have a job such as a paper route, or sweeping sidewalks for neighbors, but parents must be diligent to make sure this is not taken to excess, and does not interfere with a normal amount of sleep, schoolwork and play.
@@lisajane4330 I completely agree! They do this to children so by the time they are adults it is so indoctrinated that it is second nature and not questioned. I see this now but sadly did this to my own children. One is in and one is out with me and my husband. At 17 I was so pressured to get baptized I caved....worst decision in my life.
@@KatherineRogers EXACTLY!!! I was painfully shy as a child and knocking on strangers doors was excruciating for me. The worst was when a classmate came to the door....I wanted to die a thousand deaths rather than be standing there. The following week in school was brutal. Not only could I not do almost anything the other kids did, now I'm knocking on their door on Saturday morning. The teasing was pretty awful.
I agree with you Lloyd about this video! While I am a person of faith we do not expect our children to preach at school! Or anywhere for that matter. Live a good live. Be an example with your highs and lows.
Of course they do! Gotta keep tract of potential studies. They are studying you at that door, looking for a crack, a foot in the door, some kind of vulnerability.
Yes we did. That's how we know what to say to you on our return. E.g., blonde woman named Clare S, placed "Live Forever"book, has grey dog named Toby & 3 year old toddler named Jess. When I return I'll make chit chat with you about Jess and Toby, and you'll be impressed I remembered them, then I'd zero in on the real reason for returning which is to attempt to start a bible study with you from the Live Forever book I placed with you
Yeah, they get taught it at Pioneer School. You have to jot down anything you find out: name, age range, address, religion, pets, or if they have a cross on the wall. They do it so they can build bridges and use the “correct” preaching methods to convert a householder. I find it creepy and immoral!
They should make a video of Caleb and Sophia explaining the overlapping generations to a classmate or correcting their English teacher and informing him/her that "this", in "this generation", is a plural pronoun.
My wife laughed at me the first time I referred to going to the meetings as going to the "sales seminar". That is all every meeting is. Learning how to sell yourself and learning how to sell the companies products door to door. And the promised year end bonus for a job well done is a check that you never get to cash.
Like always a great video! Never donated money. I am glad to be one of your newer patrons. So you know how important I think your work is. To all of you. If you have an euro left to give per month, your money will be in the most capable hands! Keep up the good work Lloyd!
Ugh. Bad flashbacks. If I was ever having fun I would get asked how many bible scriptures I had memorized or how many kingdom melodies I had memorized. Ugh.
Thank you for this video, showing the smarmy way children are talked down to - and it's no different than the way the GB guys talk to adults, as you remarked. When i was first studying with JWs, i worked in an office with a nice lady and i began telling her about the study. She said she didn't object to having JWs knock on her door, but was horribly offended when they sent children to her door without an adult. Well at that point i had no idea they even did that, so i asked the couple about it. OH CERTAINLY, they said, we teach our children to serve Jehovah, why would anyone think there was anything wrong with that??! So then i just accepted it without question, having already been love-bombed and flattered within an inch of my life.
I remember doing this as a child. I also remember hearing people saying they like taking kids with them because the people at the house tend to be nicer or listen to what you have to say more.
I am a jw and btw it is fun because reading the bible and listening is great! because if u do that,u get really close to jehovah every singal day.Its a wonderful feeling if Jehovah calls u his friend.And we go to peoples house to read them the truth of god not the lies because Jehovah is the true god!!!!!😡😡
Thank you for saying that door to door is not enjoyed by most people. I innocently said to a sister who I thought was a friend, that I did not enjoy it, but I did do it anyway, even pioneering, and aux. pioneering. I strove to be honest and genuine and not a fake person. Did I ever pay for that comment. There's way more to that story.
At 5:20 I'm confused as to why you felt the need to apologise for sharing your knowledge and opinion to any Jehovah's Witnesses who may of been watching. If they get offended, then they get offended. So what!
That is how I feel! Tell them the truth! They need to wake up before they have wasted their entire life in this cult. I just left and I am 65. Think about that. I absolutely hate them!
Hi John! Absolutely love the videos, keep spreading the good news! I have a little story for you and any people that read the comments and who might be interested. For personal reasons I won't name anyone . My family was indoctrinated into the Jehovah's witnesses. I was born into the Jehovah's witnesses when I was born. Mother was indoctrinated from a young age because she was going through a hard time in life. That's what they do, target the weak. I was born into the Jehovah's witnesses as we're my two younger brothers. As for my three older siblings, they were brought into at a young age. and was a model child for them and even from a young age it was already clear to them who I would marry, the daughter of an elder who's family I was close to. I was only 9 when I read the Bible from a convention in the Netherlands. It was Infront of around 4000 people. I just followed because I knew if I didn't I was surely going to die in Armageddon. I absolutely loved the Bible and spent alot of time, and I mean a lot, with elders who were grooming me to become some sort of cultist leader I reckon. I even spent time with circuit overseers and people of higher ranking. My family is large however, and my two older brothers who were now in their teens decided to stop following because they finally had the choice to, seeing as my parents wouldn't let them them as a kid. When my oldest brother moved out to live with his girlfriend, I was told by many Jehovah's that he was going down a path of death and destruction. My family was told we shouldn't speak with him or see him. I think this is around the time my mother started to wake up (she never talks of this). My mother is a proud woman and would not be told she couldn't speak with her eldest son. This is where my family started to fracture, and where the Jehovah's pulled me in more and more, same for my two younger bros. (We were pretty oblivious ). My parents decided to move to Ireland. When we were in Ireland my mother explained to us what happened. My two older brothers were sexually assaulted by an elder, but it was all covered up. My mother was so brainwashed that she was convinced to keep it quiet. But the JW's telling her she couldn't talk to her son tipped the bucket. She threatened to speak out and was several bullied and threatened by congregation to the point where she decided she had to leave, and thank god she did. My sister was now the only one left, she was also the only of my siblings who was baptised. She was threatened and bullied for almost two years before she was finally disfellowsipped for coming out as gay. I'm 21 years old now and forever loving and grateful for the strength of my entire family for leaving it, especially my mother who choose to move to escape them. I have since moved back to the Netherlands for work and actually decided to go back to the elder and daughter I was supposed to marry. I went into their house and they were ever so delighted to see me, and of course instantly started enquiring was I still a believer. After preaching all the good news to me, the wife and daughter left and I was left with the elder for an hour or so. I debated him for an hour or so and I can tell he was rattled. Before I departed he gave me the JW website details we said our polite goodbyes. I think I blew him away a little with my arguments, coming from the sweet little boy they used to know. Thanks for reading! I will certainly visit them again in the future, if u would like me to get in some sneaky questions Infront of a elder or even circuit overseer please let me know, because just like they played me, I can play them
Please DO find the XJW community on twitter. Look for people with XJW in their profile. This is not an organization to join. There are no dues. There is no one to ask for permission. Its simply 3 letters many former JWs put in their profile so we can find one another. KDRogersMD on twitter Note: its not about being sneaky. Its not the truth. It never has been the truth. See my other comments here and the comment by spellbound.
As a Christian kid, I remember feeling uncomfortable with "witnessing" in our own context. I did have a brief period as a teen when I was enthusiastic. Later on in my adult life I deconverted. :-) But my thought is that if there is a divine inspiration to preach the message, then kids who are true believers don't need to be encouraged. And that's definitely the problem. I feel bad for them.
To be fair. I did follow a lot of these rules when I was a door to door salesman. If present a neutral front then your talking and personality will do the rest. It was a valuable experience, and built public speaking skills. It helped that my product was reputable. Still I’m glad I’ve moved on.
Mostly it stays in their notepads and they use it to jog their memory the next time they call on you, perhaps adding information if you divulge more on future visits.
Remember, the whole idea of door to door preaching is to proselytize. We kept records of who answered the door and who did not. We would go back to the same neighborhoods the next day or next weekend to make follow up attempts to reach someone. We also kept notes on who threatened us or told us to stay off their property, so that we wouldn't visit them again. We would even make note of homes where the tenants spoke different languages, so we could dispatch witnesses that spoke their language to their home. Most importantly, we kept a record of which homes accepted literature. Anybody that accepted literature would get "return visits". We would go back every couple of weeks to drop off the latest editions of the magazines and try to talk them into bible study. When I was a kid, we were still selling the literature and actively tried to sell magazine subscriptions to people. We begged for donations later on. And the JWs tracked everything. On a monthly basis, each publisher (those going in the preaching work) had to report their performance numbers. We reported how many hours we spent preaching, how much literature we were distributing, how many return visits we completed, how many subscriptions we sold, and how many bible studies we had going. I've been away for 10 years now. It's very surreal to explain all of this. We were free labor for a million dollar publishing company. Sigh
As a parent and former jw who is tackling the hard job of deprogramming herself and her son who was in the ministry nearly every day with me for 8 years, I have to say this is one of the most offensive CS videos yet. It’s going to send parents on a major guilt trip for not having their kids dressed to the nines at 9am, shoes shined and hair slicked back. More fodder for jws to use to criticize their “brothers” who don’t make the cut bc their kids are growing like weeds and it was all they could do to find a pair of pants in their kids room that still made it to the ankles. We got to see Caleb in tight pants, anybody else think that was beyond sick? I can respect the whole rules on decorum when it comes to adults who choose to belong to this cult and want to represent it. But to impose these rules on kids is RIDICULOUS, but you are so right Lloyd - the whole concept of kids preaching and being expected to do this when they themselves don’t fully know what they’re saying is unreasonable; how were we ever okay with that? No eating at the door, now sister righteous will use this video as a “loving reminder” when she’s with the mom and her two-year-old in the stroller snacking on Cheerios at the door. I could go on and on bc I was that mom. This makes me so angry and glad to be done with it. I hope other jws who are seriously beginning to question this way of life watch this and see the exploitation for what it is!
We also took notes of their schedules, when they were home, if they had toys in the yard to indicate they had children and how old they were, how many cars they owned... every breath you take, every move you make.
I had JWs or as i called them Jehovahs, at the door. I dont like being rude so listened and asked a few questions. That was it, they were back weekly looking for me. I loved moving out and stopped getting hounded by them. I could have told them to bugger off, but they were really nice people and couldnt do it haha 😅
The first time Caleb & Sophia showed up at my door they slammed the door in my face! I thought Caleb & Sophia got rescued and deprogrammed by Leah Remini & Mike Rinder?
Children don't have a choice. I was forced to go to service as a kid. I hated not being able to sleep in and watch Saturday morning cartoons. I can see how they have to start conditioning at a young age. They want kids to get baptized at a young age so it's harder for them to leave. I remember people seeing me and feeling sorry for me having to be walking around the neighborhood with my fancy clothes and be in my best behavior instead of playing on a Saturday morning like a normal kid. One lady actually asked me if I wouldn't rather be playing at the park. I was afraid to answer her because I actually did but I couldn't say that. And here's the thing, they have a way of convincing people that it's actually enjoyable and fulfilling. But for whatver reason, I never felt that way. I felt tired and trapped.
I STRONGLY suggest NOT asking these children if they would rather be playing. Many will be beaten if they give an honest answer at your door. You can tell the child...no good god is out there wanting little kids to give up their day of rest and play. Tell the adult that biblical Jesus did not get baptized or start ministry until age 30. Any org that asks people to do differently than that....are not following Jesus example. KDRogersMD on twitter See XJW in my profile
That's one of things that a strict religious upbringing does to kids: it makes them utterly unable to tell how they actually feel. I was raised Catholic and I experienced this. It wasn't half as awful as what I hear about JW kids but I once had to define 'paradise' for a TV show featuring kids. I was 10 or so. The network wanted me to say something 'fun' and even suggested what I should say but all I could repeat, was, 'paradise was the garden the Eden from which Man fell after partaking of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil'. I could tell the network people were getting frustrating. 'That's not what kids say', 'Tell us what you *really* think'. 'Isn't paradise like being on summer vacation all the time and eating all the candy you want?'. That last suggestion, that paradise was just waffling about, made me so agitated I began to hyperventilate. This interview took place at school, in fact, in the very same room where kids were daily told about hell and how they were headed there. No one thought of the repercussions I'd face if I deviated from my script. The nuns would watch the show and what then? I'd be on national TV, spitting on God's creation, and making myself a prime candidate for eternal damnation. Also, what kind of sick people go out of their way to interview Catholic children and try to trick them into abjuring their religion on television? I am sure they did not fully understand what they were doing but it was cruel.
Every time I watch a Caleb & Sophia cartoon, I am constantly dealing with the feeling that I've heard the voice of Caleb's dad somewhere else, but couldn't figure out where. Today, it finally hit me....Caleb's Dad was on Sesame Street! He was, of course, The Count! "Caleb, that door slammed in our face was number 3 in a row, ha, hah, hah; 4 door slams, ha hah hah; 8 door slams, ha hah hah". I wonder how Jehovah feels about Caleb's dad being a vampire? I hope he doesn't have a lingering fascination with Bert and Ernie, cause two guys living together and sharing a bedroom can only mean one thing, especially if they wear tight pants. Just ask Tony Morris - he seems overly interested and knowledgeable about these things!
Greetings Lloyd. Thanks for bringing this video to our attention. This is another way of the society taking over and control of your children. Parents themselves are reluctant to go door to door and that would be very evident to children who are tuned into these feelings. So, parents can divert to a "higher authority" to coerce their kids to go out. Parents in turn get courage from their children. Insidious.
I was out with a JW sister at a shopping maul when she said I hate these crowds, I'll be glad when the end comes so I don't have to put up with them anymore. Thats the mindset they have, what happend to "Love your nabouar as yourself."
The vast majority of kids are traumatized by going door to door, I know I was. On top of the fear that someone from school will open the door there are also people who will yell and swear at the witnesses because they are sick and tired of being bothered. Now if they come to my door I politely ask the child to go down the driveway and proceed to tell the adults just what I think of this practice. It won't change anything but makes me feel better.
My coworker at my very first workplace said to me that he would open the door for JWs even at 8 am on a weekend but to see children being used for preaching a particular set of belief system is beyond acceptable for him. I was shocked back then as I was PIMI but his comment totally stayed with me.
I was 5yrs old when my family converted, the first time I went out in service I actually thought it was fun cause we we're meeting people. I was a naive 5yr old that was in 1984.
Heeeeellll NO! No more panic and terror on front of each door in the mornings, that is that i can to remember of my childhood. So as the song says: "is finaly over". Now my daughter can be free about all that terrible feelings.
Sounds like Tony Morris and Sam Herd are looking for Christmas Day field service partners again! I heard Tony Morris Christmas gift for Caleb is a "well-arranged and modest" T-Shirt with the slogan "Lotta Dead Bodies" on the front and "No Tight Pants" on the back with an arrow pointed downward. Samuel Herd presented Sophia her Christmas Gift with a biology class donated brain showing 90% capacity of his without the air and a T-Shirt with the word "Barefoot" in front and "Pregnant" on the back
Ah, yes! The weekly horror show of talking to strangers. How I miss that. I totally enjoyed and draw strength from the mind-numbing terror. And being pressured into preaching did wonders to my shyness. /sarcasm One of my only prayers was "Please don't open the door" and surprisingly often that was indeed answered, lol.
I didn't know Vault-Tec made videos for the JW's? Great video as always. Am now following you on Twitter. Didn't know you were on there. Keep up the great work 😊
When I was a kid, I never got to rest. During the week I got up early and went to school, and in the drive there we would read the daily text. On Wednesdays I got out of school early, went straight to piano practice, came home, spent time studying for the Wednesday night meeting, then went. Saturdays I got up early for field service. And Sunday I got up early to study for meetings and went. I didn't get to be a kid
7:44 "We would never want to give anyone reason to find fault with our ministry." You mean other than annoying people by knocking on their doors and trying to convert them to your religion?
I have not been a JW, but the reason the organization has run under the radar so long is that the members are so clean cut and polite. I have been shocked by the revelations that have aired recently . I thought they were devout people who wanted to share their faith. This facade has served them well.
So when did Count Dracula become a J dub and start doing voice over for the society ? "Vohn! Two! Thhree! Thhrreee magazine placements!!! Ah, ah, ah ahhhhhhh!!!"
I remember feeling so bad on Saturday mornings when a door would open and I could see kids inside watching cartoons. I just wanted to be home watching cartoons and eating Capt Crunch. 😊
I remember being 12 years old and out in the preaching work with another young witness on Christmas morning. Our parents orchestrated the whole thing. People were NOT amused to be disturbed! Very traumatizing
Hello Lloyd, I have just started commentating as a ex Jw, I've enjoyed watching you're videos. I do believe in God, Jesus, and the bible and the God I believe in is full of mercy and love. My dad is atheist and well... The love I have for him I extend to you, I believe you're dad is still Jw so I hope that one day you're hopes may be realised even though today they may seem distant. Psalm 37.4. Peace and love. Sean
LOL OH MY GOD. "clothes fit well, but not TOO well." that is HILARIOUS
If I had a nice, non-deformed body, I'd totally wear tight clothes and show off what I have. To hell with prudish JWs!
A new C & S for you to do your spin on it, Telltale!😉
Maryann Lockwood ya I might do that. Though usually if I think I’m going to do a video on something, I won’t watch Lloyd’s dissection until after I do it because I don’t want to inadvertently pick up on the points he makes and make the same ones. This way, any points we both make is pure coincidence. I already watched this one so I’ll probably wait a while before addressing this Caleb and Sophia video
Telltale cool.
Good idea, Telltale, Leave the plagiarism to Watchtower!
Something tells me that Caleb and Sophia will get disfellowshipped at the end.
Dude! Caleb and Sofia in a jc would be like a train wreck to watch!
Caleb will come out of the closet and get df for being gay and Sophia will get knocked up by a carnie passing through town.
They will either get disfellowshipped or commit suicide due to PTSD and cult mind control trauma. Sadly.
There was an episode where they kind of mention that Sophia wants to go to college. But because getting a higher education is a form of Satan worshipping in JW she purposely fails a math test.
Or one will get disfellowshipped and the other one will shun and will teach a valuable lesson on obedience to Jehovah
Going door to door was the worst when you knocked on homes of people from your school
KangaRude Media That's not good.
That had to be mortifying!
Yes awful - or they'd be out in their front yard etc!
Agreed, then fronting up to school next day to face the laughter and a barrage of questions about your weird lifestyle...it was shit.
John F haha. Yeah I'd try and play it down and say things like. "My church sells magazines" - if I really had to say anything. Lies and anxiety- memories of a jw kid!!!
I was in a car group once and a sister wrote "CD" next to a name when we got back in the car. I asked what it meant and she said "Chose Death". This was because they didn't accept literature. Also the sisters used to look at houses and say how they would choose this one or that one once Armageddon wiped out the current occupants. This was done in front of kids all the time. The judgmental "us vs them" attitude, the superiority, the obsession with appearances...all wrapped up in a nice little cartoon. So fun. Creepy.
Sickening, how self righteous
Wow that gave me a flashback to the rural witnessing..the sisters driving around looking at the big houses and discussing which one they'll have after Armageddon. What a sad way to think!
I experienced similar things and I would get so creeped out by people even so far as describing how they would have to get rid of all the dead bodies before they could occupy the house. Really disturbing stuff for children to hear.
Pinky LaBlue that’s a great point! I never thought about that.
I've never been a Witness but find Lloyd's videos interesting. What you have said has really shocked me though. What horrible things to say, especially in front of children.
I recently had an adult woman call at my door. I politely listened to her presentation but noticed she was shaking like a leaf most likely from nerves. I felt really bad for her. It must be so difficult for a lot of them.
I know for me it caused incredible anxiety. Even if I found someone at home I'd never go back on a return visit because the nerves were so bad. I always felt like I was intruding on people's time.
It’s just such an unnatural thing to do. I don’t think anyone truly enjoys going door to door. Not if they are being completely honest with themselves.
Feel free to acknowledge the fear.
You seem worried or afraid. Lets sit. Would you like a hot beverage?
It has to be difficult to give a presentation with words and thoughts that actually come from other people. Lets wait on that for now. Today....lets just talk about how you feel being out here giving presentations.
It is a paradigm shift when you realize....the visit does NOT have to be about the canned sales pitch but....about this poor person roped into giving some canned sales pitch to join a cult.
You may not be interested in joining but you can reach out to the person at the door.
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My mother studied when I was 2
And I expect it is even worse for women...just think how terribly wrong that interaction can go!
Personally from my experience it is a little scary. But with the help of Jehovah I always have a good presentation.
Caleb and Sophia is the most heartbreaking indoctrination stuff they produce because its targeting children. They cannot tell right from wrong, it's just so sad how they give a child these terrible morals, creating broken and cult-dependent adults.
Yes! And it gets so hear-breaking in that we see Caleb and Sophia morphing from being normal, happy, happy-go-lucky kids who are happy their friend gave them a cool toy (who wouldn't want a friend like that!) or cool with their classmate having lesbian parents, into mindless drones who hate everyone and everything that is not JW-like.
It is horrifying! The people behind this are presenting sweet kids with the occasional penchant for mischief as sinful, wrong and in need of being 'put right'.
Actually this is teaching kids how to behave properly. When kids are preaching door to door they shouldn't be touching other people stuff nor running around that's disrespectful. This isn't a cult. Now it's up to the parent to make sure they behave this is a just a video for kids.
@Tala Habern Well I've been a Jehovah witness for almost 12 years.. Have I been brainwashed? Absolutely not.
@Tala Habern Technically not because I'm still a normal person. My religion isn't the only thing I talk about. I go shopping, Read, Go to school like any other 13 year old.
@Tala Habern Thanks for the advice I can decide that myself.
Triggered! Just seeing Caleb on the doorstep, shrinking behind the magazine gave me a stomach drop. Ah, memories...🙄
*Insert War-style PTSD flashback here*
I can assure the Watchtower that none of the bad impressions I have about Jehovah's Witnesses are due to the behavior of children. That was a good point, that they're trying to get children, who haven't reached the point of even being *able* to truly accept the religion, to preach it to others (adults) and try to get them to join.
I wasn’t given a choice as a kid. Service was mandatory and if I said I felt sick or didn’t feel like going, my mom would send the Elders to our house to pick me up for field service anyway. On Sundays after the 2 hour meeting they would announce, “We are gathering in the back for afternoon field service.” Then my family would take me back there. I just wanted to go home.
That's because your parents wanted the best of you. I understand it could be hard to go preaching all day and sit for 2 hours listening to a man talk. But it's what's Jehovah wants. As you get older or if your older now you can choose what you want to do
Remember, you could always pray and it will make you feel better.
Nasari Vlogs It’s what Jehovah wants? A God wouldn’t want kids to be indoctrinated into a religion, definitely not a religion that protects pedophiles. JW’s need to announce to the congregation who the pedophiles are instead of keeping their deeds secret allowing for more kids to be molested.
@@timterrell8678 Like I said he isnt forcing us into it. It is a choice wether we want to or not.
Nasari Vlogs It’s not a choice as a child, we are forced. As an adult I can use my own developed mature brain to make informed decisions outside of a damaging religion.
@@timterrell8678 well depending the parent.
Pressure. Pressure. Pressure. The 3 'p's'...
exactly
Pester, persist, pressuer
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Actually preaching isn't that hard:)
Pestering, proselytizing, and pressure.
Wow this is insanity! 😞 This jolted a memory, My first time going out preaching, this man listened to my every word, he let me finish, gave me a donation, took the watchtower and tore it in my face, yep! My mother put her arm around me and I cried all the way home. She tried to comfort me about the people of the world, but that didn't matter to me I was a kid. Hated field service after that. So glad I left when I did and never exposed my kids to this horror! Another Great Video!❤
You poor thing, children should never have to be subjected to this.
@Jessie Jay awful😞 It's something you never forget. And this is why some of us suffer from anxiety. So much was put on us at a young age. Sorry you went through that. :(
He gave you a donation before tearing it up? That seems odd. What was the donation for?
@@Djiril922 for the watchtower magazine. I don't know what the procedure is these days when you offer literature, but back in the 70's a person could give a contribution if they wanted to.
What's a watchtower
I'm sorry, this promotional video reminds me so much of the instructional video on how to make a crabby patty from Spongebob (esp. the part abt appearence), it only emphasises the ridiculousness of it.
Now that you mention it, it is a lot like that. Someone with some editing skills should put them together.
M B omg! I wondered why it felt so familiar lol
bruh I just made a comment about that lmao
@@jackbarnettcreations1731😆 good, more people noticed!
It even uses some of the same sound effects
"Can I go in service now?"
File that under "Things no JW child has ever said."
I was baptized at 11. As a brother, that meant the women in the congregation were subordinate. If I was the only brother that showed up for field service, I had to lead the meeting. Leading the meeting meant assigning the car pools/preaching groups, assigning the territory that would be worked, and praying over the day. There I was, 12 years old, in the middle of sisters arguing over whom should be paired with whom and why. And how humiliating to these adult women, many of which were full time pioneers and were infinitely more qualified and knowledgeable than I was. Going door to door was the least of my worries.
Travi M thanks for sharing that from your perspective.
I agree. Thanks for sharing that Travi.
Please do find the XJW community on twitter
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I also found it distasteful that a group of women , who wanted to go out in field service would have to wear head-dresses because a boy of 3yrs old was in the group..
Seeing this takes me back to my childhood growing up a JW. Remember being taken out in service and never feeling comfortable speaking to total strangers. So horrible they are still doing this to children.
The worst for me was telling adults what they should think or do. It seemed rude and arrogant to me for a child to be made to do this. There were plenty of adults around to explain cult dogma at the door so it made no sense to ask children to do this.
This is crazy man!!! These people are teaching kids to be sales people from an early age and teaching them to be obedient to the organization!!Really watchtower!!!This is just sickening to the stomach. Thanks for exposing this evil cult Lloyd. Love and blessings to you😍
truth isalie I thought exactly the same thing. This is crazy! Wish it would stop 🛑 once it for all.
Took the words outta my mouth. All I saw was a summary of good salesman’s tactics 101 lol pathetic.
Dennis McKee I believe you!! A lot of exjw either went into sales or become motivational speakers because you guys were trained so young so it’s not unbelievable. I cannot see how people don’t realize this is a business everything watchtower does is structured has a business plan. It’s crazy man and sad 😞
I just wanna save all of the kids who have been forced into JW and send them to a proper christian church camp.
james46911 I can just imagine dear. It’s disgusting and cruel to kids. Kids should enjoying their childhood of being kids not damn sales person, giving money they don’t have to governing body or to be obedient to these old ass men controlling people’s lives. Kids need to enjoy their youth!!
I recall the general mood being, 'You have to fight the temptation to sleep in on Saturday rather than going out in service.' The 'ministry' was somewhat of a chore.
We had a CO who used to say, "mind over mattress"
That’s their policy on sex, too!😉
All I ever wanted was to watch Saturday morning cartoons. But even if I got up early enough I wasn't allowed to watch because I needed to turn my mind to the ministry. It was torturous!!!!
I actually liked fieldservice as a kid. Because I thought it was the truth and we were saving lifes. If i could go back, i would agree with the wordly people. Kids should be allowed to play.
I'll have to check out your channel.
I think the angels are put to sleep. Remember the harmageddon explanation? Jehovah gave life, and are there for free to take it back. (thats not how gifts work btw) But the same logic would work with surplus angels. I think Jehovah puts them to sleep when they served their purpuse.
I was a teenage pioneer and quite often worked alone too. Knocking on doors aged 14 on my own. Challenging Adults in their own homes. Makes me cringe thinking about it.
There were frequent pushes for kids to spend time after school preaching at the doors.
Its all cringe worthy.
Yet it was not really our choice.
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I regret dragging my kids out... ughhhh... so glad we can help future generations to NOT repeat the same mistakes.Service was miserable for me UNTIL we were on BREAK. DONUT BRIBES anyone??? lol Btw Lloyd, looking slim. ;)
You hit the nail right on the head with this one. I’m out, but my wife is still in and sometimes takes our kids out in service with her. The only reason they like it is because they can drive around in a car with their “friends” and watch videos. NOBODY, not even adults, enjoy knocking on people’s doors to tell them they should join their religion. This is beyond culty.
Everytime the man spoke...I kept thinking..."Brother Count Dracula!"...He sounded like the old COUNT CHOCULAAaa cereal comercials I heard on TV as a kid....LOL!....I kept expecting Brother Dracula to suddenly say...."I VANT to BITE a HOUSE HOLDER in de neck!"
Caleb & Sophia already received their Christmas gifts as Caleb was assigned 1,914 not-at-homes and 1,975 public talks along with 607 Judicial Committee Hearings. Sophia's Christmas gift was 144,000 doors plus an overlapping generation of litterature carts based on Psalm 68:11 and Jehovah's Witnesses "new light" definition of feminism.
@Honest Conscience Dave
I’m screaming 😂🤣😭
Honest Conscience Dave Sophia will be groomed to be a good JW elders wife and possibly Serve where the need is great. She will be verbally abused and put down daily by her faithful head of a husband who will undoubtably get to drinking and take up with a fine young ministerial servant and tell her that she is having unclean thoughts which she will need to pray about. She will study more, pray more, go in service more, and isolate herself more from the sisters that are older and more experienced. Then she will go to the doctor and find out she has an STD and get disfellowshipped even though she’s only ever slept with her husband.
@@suelragusa9380 All covered up by the "two or three witness" rule!
Funniest internet comment I've seen in ages!!
Honest Conscience Dave 😂😂😂😂
I don't have children, but dragging kids around and taking them into stranger's houses just seems to be a bad idea. Period. Is it just me?
I don’t have kids either, but I wouldn’t want them to go knocking on doors anyway. You don’t know who is going to answer, and you can get some intimidating householders. Plus it’s dead boring and embarrassing!
yep, Even the school districts discourage it with their fundraisers.
Exactly. At least at Halloween i’d Only have my kids go to houses of people we knew!
It's a terrible idea and the perfect recipe for sex abuse. Then again, considering how much of that there is in the actual KH, odds are the kids are actually safer with random adults than with their 'brothers'.
@@ktm2079 Yes I'm sure those of us who grew up in the religion can recall at least once being yelled at by someone at the door right down the block. That was fun. Did you as well once you got older and maybe went door to door with a friend pretend to knock on doors? I'm sure we all had our little tricks as kids or teens to just "get by" in this ridiculous religion.
Lloyd you are so right in pointing out the backwardness of a child preaching to adults about a religion the child is not yet a member of. I suppose exposing kids to this so young normalizes it: this is what our family does, it is our way of life, this is the right way to serve the true God Jehovah, etc. I wonder what Biblical justification the society uses for having 'unbaptized publishers' of any age. I seem to recall Jesus' apostles left their families behind to follow him.
Me and my friend would pretend to ring doorbells on Saturday mornings, when we’d rather be at home playing barbies and watching cartoons. Especially in neighborhoods closer to home! 😂🤣
Okay they have totally ripped off the the "Krusty Krab Training Video" episode from Spongebob...... prove me wrong...
😂😂😂😎
Oh my lord you're absolutely right. Nice catch!
Just last night, as I was handing my wife (also an ex-JW) her bowl of chocolate ice cream, I said to her, "this reminds me of my favorite part of going out in service when I was a child". Understandably, she had a look of surprise on her face, as if to say "you HAD a 'favorite part'?!"
I nodded and said, "Yes indeed - my favorite part of going out in service when I was a child was... getting a bowl of chocolate ice cream at the restaurant all of the brothers and sisters would "congregate at" (pun intended) after the door-to-door part was over!" 😉
do these videos teach the two witness rule? that would be important for kids to know around adults.
No tight pants.... 😂 4:35
Rembrandt jesus... ruthless bastards
Tony Morris had something to do with that.
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Oh my god, poor children!!!😳😬🙄😠
Congratulations to your channel from germany and thank you so much for your work!!
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Oh yes, appearance was constantly pounded in my head but what was not, was doing well in school and my desire to take gymnastics, majorette, dancing, being a girl scout . Those dreams were smashed pretty early in childhood.
same!!
@@highpeacetess You were not seen as people with your own desires. You were just to be a part in the JW machine. Its unnatural and abusive.
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Skjeren Kristjenson ikr, still making up for that lost time, fortunately I haven't lost the excitement for my youthful dreams. ♡♡♡
They insist on preaching so much not to bring in new members necessarily but the main reason is to preach at themselves and do self-brainwashing every day!
I forgot to give Caleb & Sophia my leftover Halloween candy and Thanksgiving Turkey remains!
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Yuck, why did he hide the toy plane like he stole it? Like WT does....steals people time & life. I'm disgusted because I love cartoons they are suppose to be funny & innocent 😡😤.... The Borg ruins everything, goddamn fun police!!!!
An Amazing Awakening, or that he feels guilty for playing instead of being busy with cult activities.
Shilo Nel That’s what I thought it was.
@Skjeren Kristjenson Read Steven Hassans book on cult mind control.
Yes the actions of the org are for a purpose. If you read outside material or have time for other activities, you might learn it all was a pack of lies. I learned that simply by looking at rocks, and trying to sort them by ages as in pre Noah's flood and post.
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I absolutely HATED field service! I would make up any excuse not to go. Also hated meetings, conventions etc. Was born into this farce and it took me over 50 years to get out. The only thing I enjoyed about those things was being with others until I realized all that fellowship and friendship was conditional. I think the practice of forcing, yes forcing, your children to do this boarders on child abuse. Ask your child if he or she wants to go out and ask them for an honest answer telling them they do not need to and I bet 95% will stay home.
I remember the day I was at work and I saw a young woman with a child and I realized I'll never have to take my kids preaching and I felt so free. Plus they (should they come to exist) can play sports and not be around religious hypocrites
Yes me & my siblings never had a choice either, so in the end we just went along with whats expected completely indoctrinated as didn't know any different.
Are they not suppose to imitate Jesus? He started his ministry as an adult.
It is child abuse.
Making a child feel guilty about play....is child abuse.
Making a child into an adult business salesman clone.....is child abuse.
Unpaid child labor at that age....is child abuse.
Children up to age 12 should be learning basic work tasks to care for self and to contribute to the family ie picking up after themselves, dusting, setting the table, sweeping or using a small mop to clean up when they track in mud. They should gradually learn to fold their clothes and put them away, put away shoes and jacket, and make their bed.
It is developmentally inappropriate to use children as part of a corporate labor force.
The job of early childhood is to learn that much, attend school, do school work....and to play. Rarely a child may have a job such as a paper route, or sweeping sidewalks for neighbors, but parents must be diligent to make sure this is not taken to excess, and does not interfere with a normal amount of sleep, schoolwork and play.
@@lisajane4330 I completely agree! They do this to children so by the time they are adults it is so indoctrinated that it is second nature and not questioned. I see this now but sadly did this to my own children. One is in and one is out with me and my husband. At 17 I was so pressured to get baptized I caved....worst decision in my life.
@@KatherineRogers EXACTLY!!! I was painfully shy as a child and knocking on strangers doors was excruciating for me. The worst was when a classmate came to the door....I wanted to die a thousand deaths rather than be standing there. The following week in school was brutal. Not only could I not do almost anything the other kids did, now I'm knocking on their door on Saturday morning. The teasing was pretty awful.
Tony Morris add in line?? 'Our clothes should fit well but not too well?!' Definitely!!
I agree with you Lloyd about this video! While I am a person of faith we do not expect our children to preach at school! Or anywhere for that matter. Live a good live. Be an example with your highs and lows.
Never knew they literally made notes round the corner, that’s dreadful
Of course they do! Gotta keep tract of potential studies. They are studying you at that door, looking for a crack, a foot in the door, some kind of vulnerability.
Yes we did. That's how we know what to say to you on our return. E.g., blonde woman named Clare S, placed "Live Forever"book, has grey dog named Toby & 3 year old toddler named Jess. When I return I'll make chit chat with you about Jess and Toby, and you'll be impressed I remembered them, then I'd zero in on the real reason for returning which is to attempt to start a bible study with you from the Live Forever book I placed with you
Yep, we called them “return visits”. 🙄
Yeah, they get taught it at Pioneer School. You have to jot down anything you find out: name, age range, address, religion, pets, or if they have a cross on the wall. They do it so they can build bridges and use the “correct” preaching methods to convert a householder. I find it creepy and immoral!
Also they find out about their political views on the world and squeeze out personal issues so they can hook them in.
How things look and seem was always more important than truth.
"look and smell clean" so not actually BE clean, just have the facade of clean
They should make a video of Caleb and Sophia explaining the overlapping generations to a classmate or correcting their English teacher and informing him/her that "this", in "this generation", is a plural pronoun.
This video reminds me so much of the 'Krusty Krab training video' from Spongebob
Lloyd great video
What is that beautiful song the lady sings at the end of all your videos. I love it
"Not Forever" by Martin Shaw! :)
Thank you. I found it
I recall judgmental comments regarding brothers or sisters that bought vehicles that were not best suited for field service carpooling.
My wife laughed at me the first time I referred to going to the meetings as going to the "sales seminar". That is all every meeting is. Learning how to sell yourself and learning how to sell the companies products door to door. And the promised year end bonus for a job well done is a check that you never get to cash.
Like always a great video! Never donated money. I am glad to be one of your newer patrons. So you know how important I think your work is. To all of you. If you have an euro left to give per month, your money will be in the most capable hands! Keep up the good work Lloyd!
Ugh. Bad flashbacks. If I was ever having fun I would get asked how many bible scriptures I had memorized or how many kingdom melodies I had memorized. Ugh.
me too
Thank you for this video, showing the smarmy way children are talked down to - and it's no different than the way the GB guys talk to adults, as you remarked. When i was first studying with JWs, i worked in an office with a nice lady and i began telling her about the study. She said she didn't object to having JWs knock on her door, but was horribly offended when they sent children to her door without an adult. Well at that point i had no idea they even did that, so i asked the couple about it. OH CERTAINLY, they said, we teach our children to serve Jehovah, why would anyone think there was anything wrong with that??! So then i just accepted it without question, having already been love-bombed and flattered within an inch of my life.
I remember doing this as a child. I also remember hearing people saying they like taking kids with them because the people at the house tend to be nicer or listen to what you have to say more.
Everything you said Lloyd is absolutely facts. There is a difference between Spiritually and religion and these people cannot differentiate!! Smh 🤦♀️
Another GREAT video, John. I hope I'll be in a position to become a Patron soon. Keep up the good work!
I am a jw and btw it is fun because reading the bible and listening is great! because if u do that,u get really close to jehovah every singal day.Its a wonderful feeling if Jehovah calls u his friend.And we go to peoples house to read them the truth of god not the lies because Jehovah is the true god!!!!!😡😡
The personal apprence always made me laugh because outside of the meeting I'd always wear Metal Band shirts. Never even got in trouble for it
Thank you for saying that door to door is not enjoyed by most people. I innocently said to a sister who I thought was a friend, that I did not enjoy it, but I did do it anyway, even pioneering, and aux. pioneering. I strove to be honest and genuine and not a fake person. Did I ever pay for that comment. There's way more to that story.
I also did NOT like field service.
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At 5:20 I'm confused as to why you felt the need to apologise for sharing your knowledge and opinion to any Jehovah's Witnesses who may of been watching.
If they get offended, then they get offended. So what!
That is how I feel! Tell them the truth! They need to wake up before they have wasted their entire life in this cult. I just left and I am 65. Think about that. I absolutely hate them!
They aren't even supposed to watch these videos anyway
Phrygian Dominant I am very offended
Hi John! Absolutely love the videos, keep spreading the good news! I have a little story for you and any people that read the comments and who might be interested. For personal reasons I won't name anyone . My family was indoctrinated into the Jehovah's witnesses. I was born into the Jehovah's witnesses when I was born. Mother was indoctrinated from a young age because she was going through a hard time in life. That's what they do, target the weak. I was born into the Jehovah's witnesses as we're my two younger brothers. As for my three older siblings, they were brought into at a young age. and was a model child for them and even from a young age it was already clear to them who I would marry, the daughter of an elder who's family I was close to. I was only 9 when I read the Bible from a convention in the Netherlands. It was Infront of around 4000 people. I just followed because I knew if I didn't I was surely going to die in Armageddon. I absolutely loved the Bible and spent alot of time, and I mean a lot, with elders who were grooming me to become some sort of cultist leader I reckon. I even spent time with circuit overseers and people of higher ranking. My family is large however, and my two older brothers who were now in their teens decided to stop following because they finally had the choice to, seeing as my parents wouldn't let them them as a kid. When my oldest brother moved out to live with his girlfriend, I was told by many Jehovah's that he was going down a path of death and destruction. My family was told we shouldn't speak with him or see him. I think this is around the time my mother started to wake up (she never talks of this). My mother is a proud woman and would not be told she couldn't speak with her eldest son. This is where my family started to fracture, and where the Jehovah's pulled me in more and more, same for my two younger bros. (We were pretty oblivious ). My parents decided to move to Ireland. When we were in Ireland my mother explained to us what happened. My two older brothers were sexually assaulted by an elder, but it was all covered up. My mother was so brainwashed that she was convinced to keep it quiet. But the JW's telling her she couldn't talk to her son tipped the bucket. She threatened to speak out and was several bullied and threatened by congregation to the point where she decided she had to leave, and thank god she did. My sister was now the only one left, she was also the only of my siblings who was baptised. She was threatened and bullied for almost two years before she was finally disfellowsipped for coming out as gay. I'm 21 years old now and forever loving and grateful for the strength of my entire family for leaving it, especially my mother who choose to move to escape them. I have since moved back to the Netherlands for work and actually decided to go back to the elder and daughter I was supposed to marry. I went into their house and they were ever so delighted to see me, and of course instantly started enquiring was I still a believer. After preaching all the good news to me, the wife and daughter left and I was left with the elder for an hour or so. I debated him for an hour or so and I can tell he was rattled. Before I departed he gave me the JW website details we said our polite goodbyes. I think I blew him away a little with my arguments, coming from the sweet little boy they used to know. Thanks for reading! I will certainly visit them again in the future, if u would like me to get in some sneaky questions Infront of a elder or even circuit overseer please let me know, because just like they played me, I can play them
Please DO find the XJW community on twitter. Look for people with XJW in their profile. This is not an organization to join. There are no dues. There is no one to ask for permission. Its simply 3 letters many former JWs put in their profile so we can find one another.
KDRogersMD on twitter
Note: its not about being sneaky.
Its not the truth. It never has been the truth.
See my other comments here and the comment by spellbound.
As a Christian kid, I remember feeling uncomfortable with "witnessing" in our own context. I did have a brief period as a teen when I was enthusiastic. Later on in my adult life I deconverted. :-) But my thought is that if there is a divine inspiration to preach the message, then kids who are true believers don't need to be encouraged. And that's definitely the problem. I feel bad for them.
If there is a "Jehowah" I think he's slowly shaking his head in confusion ...
To be fair. I did follow a lot of these rules when I was a door to door salesman. If present a neutral front then your talking and personality will do the rest. It was a valuable experience, and built public speaking skills. It helped that my product was reputable. Still I’m glad I’ve moved on.
Ok I will say that wearing figure flatering clothing can up your game as a female sales person.
I did'nt know they wrote notes on people they visited. What do they do with the information?
Mostly it stays in their notepads and they use it to jog their memory the next time they call on you, perhaps adding information if you divulge more on future visits.
John Cedars ..ye. .its crazy and in a way: being a "busy-body" ... a privacy-invader; quite disrespectful actually ®
Remember, the whole idea of door to door preaching is to proselytize. We kept records of who answered the door and who did not. We would go back to the same neighborhoods the next day or next weekend to make follow up attempts to reach someone. We also kept notes on who threatened us or told us to stay off their property, so that we wouldn't visit them again. We would even make note of homes where the tenants spoke different languages, so we could dispatch witnesses that spoke their language to their home. Most importantly, we kept a record of which homes accepted literature. Anybody that accepted literature would get "return visits". We would go back every couple of weeks to drop off the latest editions of the magazines and try to talk them into bible study. When I was a kid, we were still selling the literature and actively tried to sell magazine subscriptions to people. We begged for donations later on. And the JWs tracked everything. On a monthly basis, each publisher (those going in the preaching work) had to report their performance numbers. We reported how many hours we spent preaching, how much literature we were distributing, how many return visits we completed, how many subscriptions we sold, and how many bible studies we had going. I've been away for 10 years now. It's very surreal to explain all of this. We were free labor for a million dollar publishing company. Sigh
@@travim4314 Yeah its quite the feeling to realize you spend your child hood being USED. So did I.
As a parent and former jw who is tackling the hard job of deprogramming herself and her son who was in the ministry nearly every day with me for 8 years, I have to say this is one of the most offensive CS videos yet. It’s going to send parents on a major guilt trip for not having their kids dressed to the nines at 9am, shoes shined and hair slicked back. More fodder for jws to use to criticize their “brothers” who don’t make the cut bc their kids are growing like weeds and it was all they could do to find a pair of pants in their kids room that still made it to the ankles. We got to see Caleb in tight pants, anybody else think that was beyond sick? I can respect the whole rules on decorum when it comes to adults who choose to belong to this cult and want to represent it. But to impose these rules on kids is RIDICULOUS, but you are so right Lloyd - the whole concept of kids preaching and being expected to do this when they themselves don’t fully know what they’re saying is unreasonable; how were we ever okay with that? No eating at the door, now sister righteous will use this video as a “loving reminder” when she’s with the mom and her two-year-old in the stroller snacking on Cheerios at the door. I could go on and on bc I was that mom. This makes me so angry and glad to be done with it. I hope other jws who are seriously beginning to question this way of life watch this and see the exploitation for what it is!
We also took notes of their schedules, when they were home, if they had toys in the yard to indicate they had children and how old they were, how many cars they owned... every breath you take, every move you make.
@Skjeren Kristjenson can you believe we did that?? It's so creepy and wrong now that we're awake. I'm so glad we made it out!
I see Caleb falling away from 'Jehovah' soon LOL
The real Calebs and Sophias in the real world that were used as child JWs are falling away in large numbers.
No he isnt
I had JWs or as i called them Jehovahs, at the door. I dont like being rude so listened and asked a few questions. That was it, they were back weekly looking for me. I loved moving out and stopped getting hounded by them. I could have told them to bugger off, but they were really nice people and couldnt do it haha 😅
The first time Caleb & Sophia showed up at my door they slammed the door in my face!
I thought Caleb & Sophia got rescued and deprogrammed by Leah Remini & Mike Rinder?
Your videos help me understand long entrenched behaviors and thought processes that I still have 20-years past my exit. 💕💕
Children don't have a choice. I was forced to go to service as a kid. I hated not being able to sleep in and watch Saturday morning cartoons. I can see how they have to start conditioning at a young age. They want kids to get baptized at a young age so it's harder for them to leave. I remember people seeing me and feeling sorry for me having to be walking around the neighborhood with my fancy clothes and be in my best behavior instead of playing on a Saturday morning like a normal kid. One lady actually asked me if I wouldn't rather be playing at the park. I was afraid to answer her because I actually did but I couldn't say that. And here's the thing, they have a way of convincing people that it's actually enjoyable and fulfilling. But for whatver reason, I never felt that way. I felt tired and trapped.
I STRONGLY suggest NOT asking these children if they would rather be playing. Many will be beaten if they give an honest answer at your door.
You can tell the child...no good god is out there wanting little kids to give up their day of rest and play.
Tell the adult that biblical Jesus did not get baptized or start ministry until age 30. Any org that asks people to do differently than that....are not following Jesus example.
KDRogersMD on twitter
See XJW in my profile
That's one of things that a strict religious upbringing does to kids: it makes them utterly unable to tell how they actually feel. I was raised Catholic and I experienced this. It wasn't half as awful as what I hear about JW kids but I once had to define 'paradise' for a TV show featuring kids. I was 10 or so. The network wanted me to say something 'fun' and even suggested what I should say but all I could repeat, was, 'paradise was the garden the Eden from which Man fell after partaking of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil'.
I could tell the network people were getting frustrating. 'That's not what kids say', 'Tell us what you *really* think'. 'Isn't paradise like being on summer vacation all the time and eating all the candy you want?'.
That last suggestion, that paradise was just waffling about, made me so agitated I began to hyperventilate. This interview took place at school, in fact, in the very same room where kids were daily told about hell and how they were headed there.
No one thought of the repercussions I'd face if I deviated from my script. The nuns would watch the show and what then? I'd be on national TV, spitting on God's creation, and making myself a prime candidate for eternal damnation.
Also, what kind of sick people go out of their way to interview Catholic children and try to trick them into abjuring their religion on television? I am sure they did not fully understand what they were doing but it was cruel.
I was taught at work it was the 5 p's. Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. I prefer it. Not quite so ..CULTY
Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. I learned it as 7 Ps but same idea.
Is there a release of that song for the intro and outro? I'd like to purchase it
You can find it on TH-cam. "Not Forever" by Martin Hall. :)
Every time I watch a Caleb & Sophia cartoon, I am constantly dealing with the feeling that I've heard the voice of Caleb's dad somewhere else, but couldn't figure out where. Today, it finally hit me....Caleb's Dad was on Sesame Street! He was, of course, The Count! "Caleb, that door slammed in our face was number 3 in a row, ha, hah, hah; 4 door slams, ha hah hah; 8 door slams, ha hah hah". I wonder how Jehovah feels about Caleb's dad being a vampire? I hope he doesn't have a lingering fascination with Bert and Ernie, cause two guys living together and sharing a bedroom can only mean one thing, especially if they wear tight pants. Just ask Tony Morris - he seems overly interested and knowledgeable about these things!
Greetings Lloyd. Thanks for bringing this video to our attention. This is another way of the society taking over and control of your children. Parents themselves are reluctant to go door to door and that would be very evident to children who are tuned into these feelings. So, parents can divert to a "higher authority" to coerce their kids to go out. Parents in turn get courage from their children. Insidious.
I was out with a JW sister at a shopping maul when she said I hate these crowds, I'll be glad when the end comes so I don't have to put up with them anymore. Thats the mindset they have, what happend to "Love your nabouar as yourself."
Oh Lord... Caleb and Sophia again - pass me the vomiting-basin.
Have you seen the documentary Knocking? What are your thoughts on it? Do you have a video on it?
The vast majority of kids are traumatized by going door to door, I know I was. On top of the fear that someone from school will open the door there are also people who will yell and swear at the witnesses because they are sick and tired of being bothered. Now if they come to my door I politely ask the child to go down the driveway and proceed to tell the adults just what I think of this practice. It won't change anything but makes me feel better.
My coworker at my very first workplace said to me that he would open the door for JWs even at 8 am on a weekend but to see children being used for preaching a particular set of belief system is beyond acceptable for him. I was shocked back then as I was PIMI but his comment totally stayed with me.
I need a full version of the outro/intro song! Is there one?
"Not Forever" by Martin Hall. :)
I was 5yrs old when my family converted, the first time I went out in service I actually thought it was fun cause we we're meeting people. I was a naive 5yr old that was in 1984.
Heeeeellll NO! No more panic and terror on front of each door in the mornings, that is that i can to remember of my childhood. So as the song says: "is finaly over". Now my daughter can be free about all that terrible feelings.
Field Service was probably the number one thing every witness kid hated.
Sounds like Tony Morris and Sam Herd are looking for Christmas Day field service partners again! I heard Tony Morris Christmas gift for Caleb is a "well-arranged and modest" T-Shirt with the slogan "Lotta Dead Bodies" on the front and "No Tight Pants" on the back with an arrow pointed downward. Samuel Herd presented Sophia her Christmas Gift with a biology class donated brain showing 90% capacity of his without the air and a T-Shirt with the word "Barefoot" in front and "Pregnant" on the back
That's hilarious!!!!!
Ah, yes! The weekly horror show of talking to strangers. How I miss that.
I totally enjoyed and draw strength from the mind-numbing terror. And being pressured into preaching did wonders to my shyness. /sarcasm
One of my only prayers was "Please don't open the door" and surprisingly often that was indeed answered, lol.
That was... Something. The irony is a little overwhelming. Not to mention that the Tightpants strike again!
I didn't know Vault-Tec made videos for the JW's?
Great video as always. Am now following you on Twitter. Didn't know you were on there. Keep up the great work 😊
Always on point John Cedars!Great observations.
When I was a kid, I never got to rest. During the week I got up early and went to school, and in the drive there we would read the daily text. On Wednesdays I got out of school early, went straight to piano practice, came home, spent time studying for the Wednesday night meeting, then went. Saturdays I got up early for field service. And Sunday I got up early to study for meetings and went. I didn't get to be a kid
7:44 "We would never want to give anyone reason to find fault with our ministry."
You mean other than annoying people by knocking on their doors and trying to convert them to your religion?
I started pioneering when I was 9 and continued on throughout high school. I'm surprised they haven't had any child labor laws brought up against them
Excellent point!
I have not been a JW, but the reason the organization has run under the radar so long is that the members are so clean cut and polite. I have been shocked by the revelations that have aired recently . I thought they were devout people who wanted to share their faith. This facade has served them well.
It’s like if 1984 were happy-happy and sunshine with rainbows. Which makes it all the more disturbing.
So when did Count Dracula become a J dub and start doing voice over for the society ? "Vohn! Two! Thhree! Thhrreee magazine placements!!! Ah, ah, ah ahhhhhhh!!!"
I remember feeling so bad on Saturday mornings when a door would open and I could see kids inside watching cartoons. I just wanted to be home watching cartoons and eating Capt Crunch. 😊
What the outro song
"Not Forever" by Martin Hall.
I remember being 12 years old and out in the preaching work with another young witness on Christmas morning. Our parents orchestrated the whole thing. People were NOT amused to be disturbed! Very traumatizing
what a cliffhanger! what is her name? I NEED TO KNOW!
I thought it was the mom. That they were having him practice right before he & the dad went out. But I could be wrong. 🤔
it was the mom, but now we will never know if she has a name other than "mom"!
Pretty sure her name is “ Ima Not Interested”
How amazing it'd be if it was Brother Kevin doing a woman's voice for shits and giggles?
Hello Lloyd, I have just started commentating as a ex Jw, I've enjoyed watching you're videos. I do believe in God, Jesus, and the bible and the God I believe in is full of mercy and love. My dad is atheist and well... The love I have for him I extend to you, I believe you're dad is still Jw so I hope that one day you're hopes may be realised even though today they may seem distant. Psalm 37.4. Peace and love. Sean
are there any recommendations on how to deal with classmates or who are JW?
1:10 Is this narrated by the Sesame Street Count? Three! Three P's of ministry! Bwahaha!
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Oh poop you never let us down.