PARRY FRAMES IN ELDEN RING - WHAT IS THE EASIEST PARRY TO PULL OFF?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this video, we will count the number of parry frames for buckler parry , parry, carian retaliation , thops barrier , golden parry , stormwall. Does it really affect if you use small shield or medium shield? How bad are the frames if you use daggers , fists , cruved swords and thrusting swords?
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro/Parameters done for calculating frames
1:02 - Buckler Parry
1:09 - Parry with Small Shield
1:16 - Parry with Medium Shield
1:22 - Parry with Dagger
1:28 - Parry with Fists
1:34 - Parry with Claws
1:40 - Parry with Curved Sword
1:48 - Parry with Thrusting Sword
1:55 - Stormwall with Small Shield
2:01 - Stormwall with Medium Shield
2:07 - Carian Retaliation with Small Shield
2:14 - Carian Retaliation with Medium Shield
2:20 - Golden Parry with Small Shield
2:27 - Golden Parry with Medium Shield
2:34 - Thops with Small Shield
2:41 - Thops with Medium Shield
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PARRY FRAMES IN ELDEN RING - เกม
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Short supplementary video:
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The Parrying Dagger performs a normal Parry (the label of the skill is still "Parry" as compared to buckler having "buckler parry") like the ash of war thus it wasn't included in the video.
The lower the starting parry frames the better
The longer the parry frames the better.
The easiest parry to pull off would be one that has the lowest starting parry frames and the longer parry frames.
Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro/Parameters done for calculating frames
1:02 - Buckler Parry
1:09 - Parry with Small Shield
1:16 - Parry with Medium Shield
1:22 - Parry with Dagger
1:28 - Parry with Fists
1:34 - Parry with Claws ( RIP , mistake on my behalf to make Katar as Claws Sorry)
1:40 - Parry with Curved Sword
1:48 - Parry with Thrusting Sword
1:55 - Stormwall with Small Shield
2:01 - Stormwall with Medium Shield
2:07 - Carian Retaliation with Small Shield
2:14 - Carian Retaliation with Medium Shield
2:20 - Golden Parry with Small Shield
2:27 - Golden Parry with Medium Shield
2:34 - Thops with Small Shield
2:41 - Thops with Medium Shield
What's the point in Golden Parry if Carian Retaliation can do the same thing but also Parry Spells?
@@moonflowerpalace3872 iirc golden parry has better reach.
Also, Carian Retaliation only parries a couple spells in the game. I appreciate the benefit, but it's extremely situational when compared to Golden Parry's reach.
Carian retaliation also takes twice as much fp
@@MT-zb7eg Ah, so Golden Parry has more area. Got it!
Best thing about the buckler isn't the special parry, it's the indomitable fear of attacking that seeps into your opponent. I pull the thing out and suddenly I'm Scarecrow
This. Other players just assume that you know what you're doing if you have something equipped.
Every time I rush someone with a buckler they never know how to parry.
@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 maybe they're like me and are still trying to get the hang of it haha. Regardless, there's enough people that do know how to use it or at least get lucky to necessitate doing mix ups when someone has one.
@@CoffeeSnep I mix up my timing. I've never been parried. Two handed colossals help with that.
@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 pulling out the Buckler is mostly scary to people that played DS3 lol
I searched about parry frame this morning but got nothing then this clip show up. You are the best Ang
We are but a figment of your imagination. How else can we serve you?
Lol there are already community compiled information weeks ago
people have done this already and made a handy chart showing all the parry windows. they do this for every souls game.
i feel like whoever made this video knew that too just because everybody knows about it but who would ignore that just for content?
He’s a real sweetheart
I’m surprised Carian Retaliation is just straight up better than the regular parry
I thought it would at least have a downside like lower active frames
Does Carina Relatliation actually parry as well, I kinda assumed it just did the anti mage thing
@@cosmiclikesminecraft It parries melee/normal attacks as well.
Downside is that it costs FP, little as it may be
@@cosmiclikesminecraft Every parry art performs like a normal parry. I think it tells you in the ash of war descriptions as well.
@@slippy2315 it costs fp only if it parries magic, otherwise it dosent cost anithing. wich is fucked up, but i aint complaining goated ash of war.
Start of Parry Frames/# of parry frames
Bucker Parry: 8/11
Parry+Small shield: 11/11
Parry+Medium Shield: 12/5
Parry+dagger: 12/9
Parry+fist: 13/5
Parry+claws: 13/5
Parry+curved swords: 12/5
Parry+thrusting sword: 13/5
Stormwall + small shield: 11/11
Stormwall + medium shield: 11/11
Carian Retaliation + small shield: 8/14
Carian Retaliation + medium shield: 8/14
Golden Parry + small shield: 8/14
Golden Parry + medium shield: 8/14
Thops Barrier + small shield: 13/9
Thops Barrier + medium shield: 13/9
Thaaank you very much
Golden parry is just the best because its a aoe parry and has a much larger chance of catching your opponents weapon in active frames, some times even before their swing gets going, and some times at the end of their swing, you can even parry them out of range
@@EmilKlingberg yeah but golden parry costs fp every time you attempt to parry and carian retaliation costs zero fp to attempt or parry non magical attacks.
Parry dagger having the same timing as a medium shield is killing me.
So what's the best one, I don't really get this frames and all that
Huh, I KNEW something felt off when I was missing parries on my new playthrough after consistently getting them with Carian Retaliation for the latter 50 hours of my first. Took me a while to re-learn the regular parry window.
Also, funny that Buckler Parry being a better parry is supposed to be its thing, but a medium shield with Carian Retaliation has more frames and also cancels projectiles.
Thanks so much for this! This finally confirms that special parries have the same startup/active frames regardless of shield type, so you can have a 100% physical med shield while also having a better parry than the buckler. Carian Retaliation is the goat: best parry frames (tied with Golden), counters magic users, only costs FP when absorbing spells.
WAIT WHAT. IT ONLY COST FP WHEN IT HITS MAGIC? jeez that makes it a straight up flat upgrade from a normal parry in all regards...
@@Nanoqtran yup. RIP small shields, all you need is a med shield with carian
Add to this that there are a few med shields strictly superior to a few weight/stat classes (eclipse 10 STR, exile 14 STR and brass 16 STR), so outside of meme strats the literal best shields are all obtainable super early.
I don't know... For me personally, buckler is better than all the rest. Maybe because it's more like DS3.
@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 Uh, this vid shows that a buckler has the same start frames and parry duration frames as any medium shield with carian retaliation. If you mean aesthetically, then sure, but statistically medium shields are superior
Whoa. I've never looked at the parry frames in Souls before - I always assumed that the big swipe was the parry window, not the buildup before the swipe. No wonder I've always sucked at parrying!
In dark souls 1 and demons' souls, the parry window actually starts as soon as the button is pressed. Dark souls 2 added startup frames before a parry and that's been the new norm since then
@@thechosenflutterbox i needed this comment thanks 😂. Never knew the differences between games. Don’t meet too many other Alfreds either. Hi. 👋
Not sure if you still struggle with parrying, but you can a find a wall or any solid surface and parry at it until you get the feel for it (you'll see a puff of smoke when the parry frames start). It helped a whole lot more than this video did.
@@thechosenflutterbox no wonder I sucked at parrying after ds1
@@Dpyrt you can parry a wall?
This has matched my experience testing by feel. Due note that while golden parry looks equal to carian retaliation, it's strange hitbox has upsides and downsides.
Golden parry seems to shoot out a horizontal hitbox, which can completely miss overhead attacks that come above you, but can parry level attacks that are much farther away like spears. Carian retaliation is easily the best all purpose parry since it just erects a giant parry wall in front of your character for 14 frames.
Anyway, awesome video!
Golden makes parrying in PvP much more reliable because you might not be in range from your opponent's perspective for a regular parry.
Plus if a player attack comes from above, it's probably an unparryable jumping attack anyway.
@@Spyger279 well, it could be a light attack from a halberd, right?
Also, with Carian Retal, the glint swords do almost no damage on a low level shield (I believe)... aka u need to invest in a shield to be able to do damage with he swords. If someone knows better, plz correct me
@@Drew-im7is yes, but it's worth investing in the shield anyway. It's actually really broken and will most likely be nerfed very soon. I use carian retaliation on a small +25 Ice Crest Shield and with only 16 INT I do around 2500 damage when the 3 glint swords connect. It literally oneshots most players even with 60 vigor, hence why so many animals abuse the exploit with the bell in PVP
@@Spyger279 Idk, people keep saying how the range is so good on golden parry, yet buckler still feels much better and consistent.
A visual representation for the parry frames was very helpful, thank you. I've been trying to use dagger parry for elden ring and this will help allot with my timings.
i haven't tried it yet but one of my biggest issues was that I didn't know what the parry's active animation window looked like but I'd imagine when I get to play again that it's going to help a lot.
The "claw" parry is performed with a Katar, which is a fist weapon, not a claw. Only the hook claws, bloodhound claws, venomous fang and raptor talons count as claws
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The golden parry animation looks really funny when you hold the shield on the right hand since the golden swipe is always from right to left. Nice vid Bata!
I'm always very curious about whether there is a difference on golden parry frames on small and medium shield. I've heard ppl talking golden parry on small shields are better than medium shield, but I guess that's just perception. Thanks for the vid.
I have over 200 hours of parrying and they did not show the Buckler Golden parry. I hit almost every party with that because I believe it has the buckler start times and golden parry window. I’ve tried each ash on every sized shield for hours and I can confidently say buckler with golden parry is the best because it all gives a giant range boost as well!
Carian retaliation + carian shield has been my go-to for parrying. I'm glad that my choice was confirmed by data analysis. Thank you for posting this video!
I know this video is from a month ago, but THANK YOU for providing a quick series of videos on all the different parries and ashes of war parries. I searched for so long looking for a simple comparison of buckler vs carian retaliation vs golden parry on small/medium shields, there was a lot of info on the base parry skill but for some reason there was nothing on this! This was exactly what I was looking for and I think I'll be going with medium shield and carian retaliation with this info, thanks!
I believe that the Katar, the "claws" you used are in reality in the fist category of weapon. Very informative and well done video aside from that.
fists and claws are a different weapon class in this game
@@BigDBrian He knows this. In the section of the video where he says "claws" he uses a Katar which is a fist weapon.
@@danro7593 ah mb i misunderstood
hope he sees this
Great breakdown!
Those zero hit double curved sword parry Malenia fight are truly godly
Thank you so much, the community needed this!
Ooooooh. So close to a perfect video dude. If you could take the time to smack these boys onto a chart, explain to new players what exactly the start frames mean, and which specific two barriers best physical/magical. That would have just been the icecream on the cake. Otherwise I definitely give a 9/10. Appreciate the research my good guy. Praise the sun!, and praise you!
I've been waiting so long for this. THANK YOU
Omg thank you so much for this. As a LS main in MH, I didn’t realize the parry window here in elden ring was different from the start of the parry animation. Thank you so much angbata 🙌
Thank you SO much. Was looking everywhere for something like this!
ooh, OOOH! i watched this and finally noticed what was whrong with my golden parry. If you pay attention to the rigt foot when it turns from startup frames to parry frames, the timing of the little stepping motion is slightly different from the other ones. Another thing i noticed is the sound. the parry frams in Carian retaliation and golden vow start exactly when the sound plays. This info will definitely help me learn timing. Thanks!
Kinda weird that the alternate parries like Storm Wall and Carian Retaliation give both Small and Medium Shields the same parry frames, but it’s definitely good to know. Great video!
Ever since DS1 to 3 Ive been looking for a video like this, thank you
My hero. This is incredibly useful.
This is worth a like and a sub. Good work, Brave Tarnished!
Incredibly useful, thx!
You've done God's work! I've been looking for this video since the game came out!!!
I was just looking this up last night with no success. Thank you!
The video I've been waiting for since day 1!
excellent. been looking for something like this
Dope ass breakdown. Highly appreciated.
Fantastic Video! Thanks for the information and lack of pointless BS
Will definitely be subbing for more
Wow not the results I expected. Great job on the vid bro keep it up
VERY informative, great vid!
Just WOW, this what we needed.
Wow thank you very much, this is some very valuable information!
THANK YOU For finally providing a video showing WHAT frames are actually parry frames. the numbers are meaningless without knowing what the character's stance/effects/etc are during the parry frames.
Seeing golden parry has parry frames for the duration of the golden arc effect makes it a perfect tool to train parry timing!
Thank you so much. It’s been so damn annoying trying to find any of this information online since it’s so frigging inconsistent.
GREAT VIDEO ! Very useful information
Just what it needs to be. Legendary reference video, one again. c: Thank you
Omg thisbis amazing, subscribed keep it up!
I don't know if he tested this, but offhand and main hand parties are sometimes inconsistent. In DS3, the strongest parry was a main hand small shield parry, since main handing the shield had better frames to work with. I don't know if Elden Ring has similar changes, but I think it's worth double checking.
It doesn't. Parry is the same whether its in main hand or offhand, however certain parries have no LH cancels when in the left hand, including thrusting sword, fist, and claw
Good stuff. TY for upload! Gonna stick with my deep blue parry baby!
I always thought bucklers parry is the best. Now I can equip medium shield with golden parry!! Nice!
I personally found golden parry no way as consistent as buckler, no idea why, people keep showing frame data, but in game I always buckler parry everything where as golden parry gets lots of misses.
So don't be surprised if you still prefer buckler over golden parry.
@@Sam-yr8ls buckler is faster, that might be part of it, also the golden parry is flatter and more outward, so high attacks are easier to miss
@@zekedelsken9963 ah interesting it was a lot of the overhead hits that got me with golden parry.
I think ultimately when you get the hang of it, you don't need anything but the buckler, after learning and improving I parried everything in the game that can be, it obviously took time but I'm very confident with it now, but whenever I test golden I sometimes miss easy things.
I personally would advise stick to buckler as its still better, but it could be purely anecdotal and I could be retarded haha. Definitely try both and do what you feel is best, not necessarily frame data in a vacuum! 😄
@@robertjura9639 I've parried since ds2, I've parried with every type of parry, and edlen ring I have only killed every enemy solo with parry riposte (if they can be parried).
I have extensive experience with all the parries, it has nothing to do with anything to do with frames, the frames are figured out.
All the main parry only runners almost all use buckler. Buckler is still better in practice regardless of frames.
But thanks for telling me about the extra frames I already knew about 😅
@@robertjura9639 you have no idea what your talking about. You never pre empt an attack for parrying 🤦♂️
Thanks for this video!
I've been practicing parry on crucible knight at stormveil area, I can almost perfect parry him with my regular small parry shield, but I didn't know the carrian ashes have extra 3frames, same as with medium shield, ty for this info.
Great info, thanks.
Still love using dagger to parry because it's the sexiest but always good to know the true stats.
Golden Parry’s reach is just mmmm. So tasty. Great for coop play, you will be able to parry the boss when it isn’t targeting you.
My man. Subbed. 🤘🤘
Man that time window is so short, very useful to see it visualized and I don't think I'll be trying to parry anytime soon
Ty ty, best resource by far
great stuff man! very concise video and I'm surprised to see how good the carian retaliation parry is, fromsoft just needs to fix the broken part about the glintblades and damage scaling now xD
So helpful. I will run with medium shield + carian retalation
now this is good video! recently everyone is showing 1 ashes of war or 1 skill.. for 15 damn minutes before he actually explains something.
Here we have it great. Short, with big variety and informational !
Wow! You are golden. Super useful info. Seems like golden parry is the winner here, given the large range and # of frames.
Great work. Thanks!
That was perfect. Thank you.
Yo this is awesome! Can you also count the frames for Blood Hound Step, Quickstep, Dynast Finesse, and Vow of the Indomitable? This is an awesome tool!
This is that good shit, thanks bro.
Nice info!
Really appreciate your hard work. Really thought golden parry was better than Carian but they are the same. Nice to know.
Golden has a much larger range! So its easier to proc im that sense. U can parry an enemy thats pretty far away from you
This is all that I ever wanted to answer my questions about parrying but I kept running across 3 hour videos of parry gods explaining parry.
So the special parries have the same frames for both medium and small shields it seems then. Nice work. Thought that was the case. My banished knight shield golden parried/riposted my way through melania very nicely, and helped a ton to block the first wave of her waterfowl dance. Meanwhile I couldn’t consistently parry margit with a medium shield with standard parry.
Awesome content
So carian/golden put on medium shields retain its small shield values, beating even buckler for parrying. Throughout all my ER gaming I haven't even considered that. Much balance.
Excellent video.
Great info, thank you. I have been looking for parry frames since the game released. Carian Retaliation seems to only use FP when parrying a spell, Golden Parry uses FP every time the parry button is pressed, but I am not sure about Storm Wall. Does it use FP on a regular parry? Or just when it deflects a projectile/arrow?
It uses fp every time
@@actionpants3138 Thank you!
yep, can confirm as well it does consume hp every time you use it
It would need futher testing, but I think i staggered some foes spamming storm wall trying to parry.
Holy hell you're a hero.
Solid work you get a like n sub
Crazy that Carian Retaliation is just a strict upgrade to standard parrying. Small shield parry frames were always easiest for me to feel, so seeing how they're only slightly less start-up than medium shields (but with more than double the parry frames) has me really interested.
Super duper thank you :*
Dayum, those frames on the medium shield with golden parry is nasty boi.
unquestioning the best parry shield video
This is perfect timing! I was just trying to look up yesterday if there is differences in the parrying timing between armaments. And now this video is up! Seems like my choice of using carrion retaliation was a good one.
What a great video!! One question I remains wondering:
Does the FP consuming variance (e.g. Carian Retaliation) remain the same starting frame and parry frame after all FP is drained, or the two frame will return to that of a normal parry with respective shield?
That's a really good question, actually.
The fp drain only occurs when successfully parrying magic, so my guess would be you continue to have the superior parry window, but no longer get the carian sword phalanx
@@evanpotter860 that's my best hope also
Actually if you parry magic it wont parry a weapon, so if you are about to parry someone, but you are hit with a spell just before it will only parry the spell and not the weapon.
Bruh no wonder my first crucible knight fight was so difficult. I was going for parry strategies, and I had regular parry on medium shield, which is tied for lowest number of parry frames (5). Oof
Beat him with a brass shield parrying. Took quite a while lol.
Thankyou for dumbing it down 🙏🏼😅
Carian retaliation is 8/14? And you can put it on 100% phys block shields. That's busted. It has better frames than buckler parry but can be on something thick like brass shield.
don't tell the devs about this 🤫
The Buckler Parry is free and Carian retaliation costs 8 FP, if you are skilled thats nothing but for parry spammers the FP bar will melt.
@@JordlbergerLP Last time I checked, it doesn't use FP. Maybe it only does when it catches a spell but if you're just parrying, it costs nothing.
@@ixiahj Yup, only on successful parries.
@@qwormuli77 only on successful parry against magic, successful parry against physical is still 0fp
Awesome video
Wow amazing video,thanks! I'm very bad at parrying but I want to try a run with more parry nwn
Thank You!
Time to throw them Bucklers in the trash and farm up a Brass Shield + Golden Parry/Carian Retaliation
Wonderful. A true sunbro.
Refreshing to see all those monster hunters in elden ring
Thanks for this awesome data, but I just wanted to know which parry is the best, now I'm even more confused :D
After watching this video, I put Carian Retaliation on the Brass Shield and went to go become a parry lord... However, parrying physical attacks with Carian Retaliation felt just as difficult as parrying physical attacks with the base medium shield parry. Is it possible that the code used in this video to display active parry frames displayed the spell parry frames as opposed to the physical attack parry frames, and that those two parry values are different?
I had no idea how insanely good these ashes of war are. I struggled the most with regular parrying in this game compared to the other souls games
Sort of wish there was a list of all of them together at the end for comparisons.
people have done this already and made a handy chart showing all the parry windows. they do this for every souls game.
Did you test if the left hand animations had the same frame data? Adula's Moonblade infamously used to be more effective if done from the left hand, for example.
Thanks!
I hate how they kept making dagger abd curved sword parries worse with every game like damn bro those are the coolest looking parries come on!
Bless you good sir
I like how the golden party animation moves in the wrong direction because they never expected you to use it in your right hand.
So basically, the earlier the parry comes out, the easier it is to parry on reaction and the number of frames indicate your window, meaning a larger parry windows grant a more leeway for less precise parries. That said, bit of a shame they gutted weapon parries. Fist and claws don't seem to parry as good anymore, and curved sword parries too, though to a lesser degree. Not only did they nerf rapier parries, but they took away its sick-looking animation.
Not sure how you're doing that lol but very helpful.
So, I'm curious. Is Golden Parry (Parrying), Golden Retaliation (Block & Retaliate against any Sorcery/Incantation) or Vow of the Indomitable (Invincible) better/easier for most scenarios?
What about recovery frames though? Are they similar between small and medium shields with the same skill equiped?
when i was dying nonstop to malenia i thought i'd try to parry her but i suck at parry and i searched for a video like this for elden ring and couldn't find any, i wish this video had it posted before, I already killed her with no parry, but parryng would be so badass
That curved sword parry looks badass though