@@theflowereveryonelikestoom244 I don't have an Xbox one so I can't give you any advice really. Sorry. My mass effect games are all digital and I don't have any issues. If you have it on disk then perhaps it is damaged to some degree?
Loved the mission, my favourite part is a haunting little detail that blends so well into the game, the look that Shepard gives Saren's statue, like he's gonna come running off the plinth and attack.
it is really funny that everyone sees something else in Shepard's look, because that is the way we really feel maybe?... for me it was a look of sadness and rivalry, as even tho he was my enemy, I also knew Saren wanted to control the Sovereign at first and got controlled instead, which resulted in shooting himself in head when he realised he failed
Im closer to Stanislav’s idea. I always thought it was a look of pity. Saren didn’t want to rule or destroy the galaxy, Sovereign did. Saren was a victim of Sovereign’s indoctrination, and even as a Reaper puppet he wanted to help the people of the galaxy, to show the Reapers they were worth sparing. My Shepard tried to talk Saren down, tried to show him reason, and free of Indoctrination, I might’ve been as proud to fight beside him as I was Nihilus. But the only way to free Saren by the time I had him alone was for him to kill himself. I feel like when Shepard looks at that statue, they’re trying to see who Saren was before Sovereign. Who Saren could’ve been to them if things had been different.
@@JyujinPlus Personally, it's a look of respect and almost nostalgia. Once upon a time, Saren was Shepard's greatest rival, his primary enemy. In many ways, Saren is responsible for all of Shepard's progress and achievements since the first game. He wouldn't have become a Spectre and he wouldn't have met all his current friends and team members. Saren reminds him of how far he's come since Eden Prime, and how all that time ago Saren was Shepard's test of will against Sovereign and the Reapers. Saren was a Spectre like Shepard, and in that way they were both connected. It's because of Saren and the revelation of his corruption by the Reapers that Shepard is even in this fight in the first place. Without Saren, Shepard wouldn't even know about the Reapers and wouldn't be on a rogue mission across the galaxy outside of galactic law trying to stop them. Saren also reflects what could happen to Shepard if he isn't careful. Even with what he did to Captain Anderson, Saren was somehow still respected by Nihilus, the Spectre who was supposed to recommend us as a Spectre to the Council. Nihilus and Saren were friends once, but he was corrupted by the fear that Sovereign manipulated. Although the fight against the Reapers isn't over, Saren represents that he's already come a long way
I convinced her to destroy it, but i used the dialogue option telling her it's what Keiji wanted, and had her do it herself for closure. It felt the most appropriate.
The best morality point gain for a paragon Shepard is to recommend the graybox be destroyed (2 renegade points for either dialogue option which selects that outcome), and have Shep do it (5 paragon points). In contrast, forcing Kasumi to do it herself only gives another 2 renegade points, meaning Shepard exclusively gets renegade points from doing it that way. This suggests that the story writers considered it to be cruel of Shepard to pressure Kasumi into deleting the graybox data herself. Kasumi gets closure whether or not she herself 'presses the button.' The actual difference in the outcome is whether or not she feels like she has to apologize to Keiji first -- suggesting that on an emotional level, Kasumi feels deleting the data herself is a betrayal. Though she seems to know that's irrational, she feels it all the same. Hence, it's more compassionate of Shepard to offer to do it themselves, shielding Kasumi from any feeling of guilt for the act.
@@Not-an-Alien The unspoken truth no one wants to talk about is that a major percentage of players chose to force Kasumi to delete the data herself because they were selfishly hoping that would unlock a romance route in ME3. You're right that it should be Kasumi's choice. The line where Shepard says "you have to do this, you know that" when choosing to force Kasumi to delete it herself borders on gaslighting, frankly. I think Kasumi makes the wrong choice when allowed to choose herself, but that's ethically irrelevant. People should be allowed to make their own mistakes.
Honestly at first I let Kasumi keep the graybox: felt really sorry for her. But it took me years to understand how much wrong it was for her. Keiji was right, she didn't need that thing to know he's always with her. I think cases like this requires time and certain midset/maturity to understand. ME2 really is a moral "greyzone" if you're just not looking for paragon/renegade points.
I like how if you don’t get the crew member’s loyalty, and they somehow survive the collector base, the game corrects everything and makes them die in the third game, it would seem you really can’t cheat death. It always gets what is due. Really glad I had them all loyal and survive that crazy mission.
Considering loyalty missions can still be completed in ME2 after the suicide mission, it's totally inexcusable to have any surviving ME2 squaddie _not_ be loyal. 😅
@@Vadim_Slastihin yknow I saw this without knowing what it was and assumed it was talking about rear Admiral mikhailovich, and I would rather save him than Jacob.
Crash Bandicoot spins. Big Boss/ Solid Snake asks the obvious. Kratos kills gods. “Nathan Drake, oh Crap” Mario and Luigi twirl hats. Travis Touchdown jacks his beam katana. Sonic collects rings. Commander Sheppard crosses arms in a judge-mental posture. Every game gotta a thingy
Or that thing he does where he awkwardly takes one step back in a weird, affected pose that's plainly trying to appear nonchalant, and definitely fails.
If I remember correctly there's some funny dialogue with Kasumi during that mission if you chose her as your tech expert during the first part of the Collector base over Tali or Legion during ME2.
I like that Kasumi's loyalty choice is like Garrus'. It has no effect on Loyalty, you've already helped them settle their past. Instead it has a profound impact on them as a person. Their choice is the quick and easy answer to the problem but if you force them to move forward, it's more painful in their eyes but is ultimately worth it.
I enjoy her loyalty mission in which we can find that cool enemy from Dragon Age. I always kept her box because I'd keep it to myself if I was in her shoes.
until you find out that if she keeps it, She just spends all her free time plugged into a virtual existence trapped in the past. that aint living chief
You make an interesting point about free will. Should we prevent someone from dwelling on the past when it is stopping them from moving into the future, even if it brings them comfort in the present? Does this infringe on their freedom even if it's for their greater good (like taking keys from a drunk driver)? I have to agree with you. Technology can make moving on harder (ever broken up with someone with Facebook memories reminding you of the stuff you did with that person on a daily basis), but I think Kasumi would be happier and healthier once she's moved on.
@@shadow4040 you make a valid point. Grief is a selfish emotion, but it's your emotion. No one can tell you when it's time to move on but you. Even then, maybe moving on isn't the right term. You just learn to live with that person's absence. I've heard it described as like a ball in a box with a button. When the ball hits the button, you feel sad. Some days the ball is small and doesn't hit the button at all. Some days it's really large and constantly hits it. The grieving process can be made better with technology, but it can also deepen grief I suppose another issue is Keiji didn't want the greybox to be kept, he wanted it deleted. Do the memories of a man get to tell you how to grieve for that man? I'm taking the "be cruel to be kind" approach here, but still there are many questions that you just can't answer in a TH-cam comment section.
@@saxpackabs I thought about it long and hard, and I decided to let her keep it. I don't think destroying the grey box would really do much to make her move on, since she's surrounded by memorabilia from her time with Keiji. I thought about it like my grandfather, if I had recordings of every encounter and conversation I had with him, I'd cherish each word. It's not up to me or any of us on how she should handle memories, cause that's all the gray box is, memories.
@@rattles8789 Consider this: Kenji wanted that greybox deleted specifically because he didn't want Kasumi living in the past. Keeping it to comfort her is directly disrespecting his memory. One can argue that it isn't our place to tell Kasumi how to grieve and that the wishes of a dead man don't matter, but her own lover knew that given the opportunity, she would indulge in his memory and the greybox would be detrimental to her in the longterm. As her friend, isn't it our responsibility to step in when all signs point to her making an unhealthy choice for herself? Ultimately, if she refused to give up the greybox, we couldn't make her and it would be cruel to force it. But she can give it up. I'd like to think it is because deep down she knows it is the right choice, if the more painful one in the short term. Btw, not saying you're wrong for letting her keep it. I've taken both routes on various playthroughs, I think my outlook has just changed a bit over the years.
I was always annoyed by her "death". I mean, if she'd died, her body would be literally just right there, cloaked, but the NPCs act like "Whelp, she's gone, no need to call the morgue or anything."
Jondum has no reason to go after her aside from proving that she isn't invulnerable and can't always avoid everyone. Kasumi isn't a big threat to him at the moment, she is a very good thief who's skills are comparable to the Salarians and helped Shepard. If she died, she died a hero, and if she faked her death, he would just let her leave because she saved the Hanar homeworld.
I kept Kasumi alive in ME2 and when I went to play ME3 she never showed up anywhere. At the final cutscene when Garrus is about to put the plack with SHepards name on the wall, I saw her name there and thought WTF.
Did you import your save from ME2? This is important. Because if you didn't - she doesn't appear in this side quest at all, you have to choose between saving the salarian spectre or saving the Hanar homeworld Kahje.
It's a known bug that savefiles get corrupted from time to time. The most common bug is : Players killed the trasher maw in ME2 and Grunt dies in ME3. That's wrong. Try this first: If you got your old savefiles from ME2, try to reload it in ME2 talk to your surviving crewmates and save with another save slot. When restart ME3 from the beginng and try again to pick the save files. If this did not work: Second try: Copy your save folders , deinstall the games completly and than reinstall either by Steam (or Origin). Then put you copied save files back on the right position within the files. If it Is worth the effort? Well it up to you to decide.
(Potential spoilers) ... If you do the ending where everything gets synthesized and she kept the gray box she can use the memories to create a living hologram of him.
At first I was very upset that you couldn't romance her or interact with her outside of her mission. But now i am kinda glad that you couldn't romance her. Her entire lojal mission was to get revenge and take the last what is left of her partner/lover. It wouldn't be as impactful as it was when, after the mission you both were like "So, we bang. Ok?" It would have been great to if you could recrute her in ME3 and when you had choose to destroy the cube, she would be a romance option because "she moved on" The lack of interaction was a weakness of ME2 anyways
@@pizzamafioso9191 Getting turned down because the memory of her dead lover is too fresh is one thing. But the game is literally blocking you from so much as asking her a question. Also, the whole "we'll bang" meme is such bullshit. It stinks of one-night-stand crap, not actual romance. Lastly, being blocked from so much as talking robs me of the feeling of escapism, which is what I seek when playing story-rich ROLE-PLAYING games like Mass Effect.
So basically either way is good? I honestly felt that destroying it while the more renegade choice was much better for Kasumi as it allowed her to move on.
That maybe so, but I believe is the right thing. If Kasumi kept kenji's box, she will Stuck of her past because of kenji's death, believe is her fault what happened to him. I'm sorry but i believe that she need to move forward and move on of her life.
I let her keep it cause I felt it would be a huge waste going through all the hoops to get the box just to destroy it. It was hers and her responsibility. Can't make judgments with hindsight in mind.
I recently finished another play through of the original trilogy however I love Mass Effect so much I will happily play the Legendary Edition when it comes out lol.
This obsession just led me to replay Mass Effect over three times to get the Platinum trophy on the PS3 version. I'm currently wondering if I should get the Citadel DLC for ME3 or waiting two months for the Legendary Edition
@@mrche8786 You know how Jacob ends up with someone in ME3? That's absolute. Therefore, romancing Jacob in ME2 results in him cheating on you in ME3, which makes it super awkward
I ended up destroying it but I regret making the decision for Kasumi, felt like it would have been better to let her say goodbye vs just silently watching her lovers memories be erased. She definitely needed to grow past it to be happy but she at least gets closer. That just kinda speaks to the writing of this game, sometimes you get closer, other times you don’t.
I remember playing this mission on ME3 without playing any DLC's from the previous games, I never knew that there was a way to save both at the end of the mission.
I would have liked if they had also said Shepard, and all Specters have grey boxes as well, something Shepard might try to deny. It would help explain why a dead specter could be resurrected with their memories intact. The grey box could hold all of that info, and then Miranda's team could us it to reconstruct Shepard's personality. Memory can't be saved when somebody dies, but a grey box might just allow it.
When I played the DLC, I thought that destroying the Greybox contents would always result in "missing" Kasumi's loyalty. Making the whole mission a waste... So to speak. (After watching to the end of this) ...which was a mistake.
I would love to hear what people say regarding her keeping the Greybox and the Synthesis ending. Cause that one basically confirms that the memories inside the Greybox became sentient and she basically has her lover back. That’s such an interesting metaphysical discussion. Is she truly happy with this VI who thinks he’s Keiji? Or is it actually kind of sad?
I love this DLC character. My Shepards are always very protective of her (not in a possessive way, but in a “don’t you dare shoot at her!” way). I also love how she calls Shepard “Shep”. I don’t think any other character does that.
She is the only one who calls Shepard 'Shep', in the games that is. Seems to have caught on with a few people like MrHulthen(should you be watching him). May or may not have with me too, though I chose to incorporate that in my totally not real fan story that I definitely didn't start to write because I wanted to get my own character(not Shepard, btw) into a thing with Kasumi, though the idea has slightly branched out and evolved from there since. I/my own Shepard was like that too, in my imagination. It was like, when I heard Kasumi being shot at, it was like "Ey! Stop shooting at Kasumi, you idiots!". I could totally imagine this exchange following. "I have a shield, you know?"(Kasumi) "That doesn't mean I *want* them to shoot at you!" Not hard for me to say Kasumi's my favorite. She's just funny/adorable in a way, and a touch relatable due to her loss with Keiji. That aspect of her story almost seemed a little too similar to the one I originally came up with for my OC(in the theme of not wanting to/being unable to move on from the one thing that reminds them of the past, due to the pain of having to face their loss properly). Before I started throwing her into other universes, that is. The only thing I struggle with is not butchering her family name. Thankfully, I don't have to use it.
Honestly, I could have gone either way with this choice when it comes to Kasumi. I destroyed the box because of the dangers I thought it possed, according to my Shepards morality and reasoning, not because I feared for Kasumi living in the past cause she could still do that without the Greybox too.
this is one of few missions that shows that Paragon way is not always the best way... sometimes universe is not black and white but blurs, that is when we have to trust our heart 🙂
A lot of people give Kasumi's character flack but I don't know why. She's a useful battle buddy and while her mission isn't Pulitzer worthy, it's not exactly generic either. She's a skilled individual with a decent story.
That *is* obnoxious, but the choice at least has personal ramifications: keep it and Kasumi falls into the past, destroy it and she looks to the future.
@@guilhermehank4938 Sure, if you want to frame it that way. But that dialogue indicates an enormous difference for Kasumi. I agree that I wish our choices had bigger effects on the galaxy but at the same time, it's not reasonable to assume that even most of Shepard's choices will reach that far. Making a difference in the lives of the people you meet is much more likely and I'm glad that BioWare at least didn't skimp there.
@@BlaineTog exactly imagine how dumb it would be if this choice was linked to like the salarians living or some shit it’s really dumb to be like “wow my choices don’t matter” to a gd personal decision.
Wow. I always let her keep the box...but your video gave me a convincing argument. For my FemShep Legendary run I’ll tell her to destroy it. Great video, I appreciate it a lot!
Worst part about her is not being able to really talk to her. Get she was late add on but they could have added a few things to talk to her about once aboard the ship. The fact her/ Cerberus secret wasn't discussed with Shepard was disappointing, waiting until the 3rd to address it.
It’s pretty amazing that Mass Effect 3 still looks really good. Sure it’s not Doom Eternal detail, but it’s still good to look at. Mass Effect 2 also holds up, but it’s not as clean as ME3 of course.
Honestly, I felt like ME3 graphics were actually worse than ME2 due to the ugly dark shaders that were applied. ME3 may have higher quality textures, but the graphics of ME2 and even ME1 felt better to me.
it's a little misleading. if you keep the greybox, and do the side mission with Kasumi and get her as a war asset, there's an event in the Citadel DLC that shows Kasumi working with a team to 'robin hood' a bit of folks at the Casino, adn mentions the work she's doing for the Crucible project and that the robin hood thing is letting of a little steam. So it really seems like if you do the side mission, she doesn't spend all her time with the Greybox and instead gets back into her life now that you've given her a push.
I remember I let her keep the box. Well...I know it's a bit destructive thing to do but hell. We're gonna die soon from the Reapers. What else can I do in this short amount of time to improve my life. Doubtfully nothing. But yeah, next time I think I'll destroy the box for her future
In this mission i love Dragon age reference. There is one statue from dragon age. I like how Kasumi tell "Wow. Imagine that thing coming at you in a dark alley". It tooking me flashback scene from dragon age how he do it. xD
I also got the Batarian forces in Me3 because I did the Batarian dlc in Me1 and let Balak go to save the hostages, so I was able to convince him to work for me in the end.
I always wanted a keep it and relive the memories/find any useful information for like a week then destroy it option 😄 It seems to harsh to have to immediately destroy it
Even if you let her keep the graybox she does eventually move on. She mentions her interest in Jacob, even though he has other stuff going on. She moves on just slower.
If you don’t know, the fix is to use launch parameters to turn off the start movies. It’ll prevent the crash. It stops a lot more cutscenes than it seems, so turn them back on once you are done.
Hey, thanks for covering this. And now watching it, I'll probably tell Kasumi to destroy the greybox on my next ME2 run. I always had her keep it because I wanted her to be happy. Thanks again.
Shepard: "You cant spend all your time plugged into that thing!" Kasumi: *gasp* "What did you say? "Goddamn hypocrite!" Me, with my VR headset: "NANI?!?!"
And then what? Stuck in the past with the info box, from her death lover. I'm sorry but no, she need to let go from the past and move forward. That box has to be destroy.
I think it would have been more interesting if you could only have her war asset if the greybox was destroyed, reforcing the idea she spends all her time with it and have no interest in helping the crucible over old memories.
It should be mentioned that if keeps the Graybox and you choose the Synthesis Ending, you would see Kasumi and Keiji reunited--in a way. Basically, Keiji is resurrected and sort of regains sentient form. In other words, if you want her to keep the graybox, choose the synthesis ending, and you basically will give her boyfriend back. This is of course seen in the ending slides, Kasumi is in a field somewhere and Keiji appears as like a green apparition in the form of a human of Japanese descent and it does seem that she could interact with him physically
I told her to keep it first time on her Loyalty mission, dammit When the remaster comes out, she will destroy it because the future is more important than the past
Mass Effect is quite inconsistent if it comes to the "remember or forget" theme. On the one hand we have Kasumi, Thane and Javik, but on the other - Geth Consensus Archives, Maelon's data and Jack. In case of Kasumi it's not really that big deal. She is highly functional both ways and doesn't compromise on her work.
At 3:19 the powering down sound is synced with Kasumi lowering her head when she's sad, and it looks like she's the one powering down, I know it's supposed to be a sad moment, but I can't help but chuckle
So… what I don’t exactly understand… and maybe I’ll understand once I actually get to play ME3 and get these scenes in their entire context… Kasumi at the very least explains *why* she isn’t rejoining Shepard’s crew again in the third game. And frankly it checks out. But from what I’ve seen of a few of your other videos on the repercussions of various Loyalty missions and the like. A good number of the SR-2’s crew from the suicide mission don’t sign back on with Shepard again… and like… Why? Wrex I guess I understand, while not a member of the ME2 party the dude basically becomes the closest to a Krogan king to ever exist… the dude is busy… Kasumi is rightfully scared and frankly out of her depth fighting the space Metal Gears… But what about everyone else?
An ally being trapped in the past or destroy the graybox and evidence of indoctrinated Hanar? I'd rather have Kasumi being stuck in the past than not having concrete evidence of an indoctrinated agent.
I would never force someone to essentially throw away their own memories just to get them to "move on". Who are you to judge whether or not that is the right move? What if they don't actually ever recover from this loss? People who have lost their significant other to death sometimes are never able to move on afterwards. Secondly, how do we know whether or not she's going to just magically live a happier life by destroying the gray box? We can't possibly see into the future, we don't know what life has in store for her if she destroys it, that box might end up being her one and only reprieve in life if life decides to put her through the meat grinder for the rest of her time alive. Lastly, in the Synthesize ending, she ACTUALLY GETS TO REUNITE WITH HER LOVER. Since that ending is the one I like the most, I consider that to be my canon ending, so it just makes sense to let her keep the gray box in the end.
As someone who has lost a loved one and lived in depression teetering on suicidal thoughts for a year sitting on my memories and refusing to move on, until FINALLY I got some friends to clean out the things I was holding onto after I got them together. I tried to do it myself and couldn't. Best I could do was get the stuff together and ask them to do it for me. Doing so dug me out of a depressive spiral and I've been much, MUCH better ever since. Been a few years since then. We cherish our memories. We hold them close in our hearts. But there comes a point when you realize the physical things you're holding onto aren't consoling you anymore, they are keeping you down. They aren't helping you cope, they are keeping you depressed. Continuing a vicious downward spiral that will eventually, quite literally, destroy you. Keeping a few pictures or something but getting rid of everything else is one thing, that's what I did. Getting rid of absolutely everything would just be too heartless, cold. But these aren't physical possessions she's keeping and vicariously reliving memories through. They are actual memories she's diving into and reliving as if they were still happening, day after day. That's NOT healthy. She will NEVER move on that way. Since she's reliving them she'd probably never take her own life, the urge to do so would just lead her to plugging in again and "all is well" once she does. That's not a "reprieve" that's straight up refusal to move on. Not inability, outright refusal. What I'm getting at is destroying the greybox isn't "throwing away her memories". She still has them. She can still hold onto and cherish them. Remember them fondly for what they were. Memories are in the heart, not objects and things. That said, to keep the greybox would only serve to hold back her ability to be truly happy ever again. Even with synthesize, she won't be truly happy, because that ending has its own implications as well. So yes, for Kasumi's wellbeing destroying the greybox is without question the right move. Keeping it will only allow her to wear a mask with fake happiness for the rest of her days, just like I was, guaranteeing she will never be able to move on. Self sabotage, never even giving herself a chance to TRY to move on. That's not happiness, it's denial.
A sad thing to witness makes the *observer* happier, but that's not necessarily true for the other person. Regardless of the choice, it's theirs to make. At least, IRL.
Same, plus I figured she'd move on at her own pace. All things considered, she still lives an active life in ME3, it's not like she becomes a hermit. You even meet her in the Citadel DLC, planning a heist of sorts.
When making decisions in Mass Effect that have to do with history, I have a tendency to weigh the consequences and the culture. In humans that's a no brainer. With Kasumi I tend to go on her earth culture because it's pronounced enough in Mass Effect to make a decision. The Japanese are primarily buddhist, letting go of the past after a loved one dies is an important part of the culture. We see this reflected in Kasumi's outcomes during the quest she shows up in in Mass Effect 3. Without her being in the game as it were by having her loyalty mission completed, she becomes so focused on retrieving the grey box that it may have gotten her killed. The other thing I think about when it comes to decisions to do with history is how many people are impacted by the choice to let it go, especially directly impacted by the mission or by reduction in war assets (indicating loss of life or interest in fighting the reapers somehow). This philosophy automatically excludes the renegade path in Zaeed's quest in which you let the refinery workers die. These people were not there of their own accord, Zaeed has no right to put his revenge over their lives. Likewise it automatically excludes most of the renegade options in mass effect 2's loyalty missions. Garrus is on the path to becoming a fine leader, he needs to know where to draw the line so I refuse to let him take the shot. Tali the same, her credibility with the Quarians could be critical to building a coalition. For this reason I always bring Legion to her trial as well, it's an opportunity Shepard may only get once, to get to know a Geth that isn't trying to kill him and it forces the admiralty board to take a look in the mirror before the Reapers show up. As far as fan things go. I tend to characterize Kasumi as "Little sister to an entire alliance warship!" And I had her and Miranda play an important role in an alternate mass effect 3 I'm writing in which Kaiden is kidnapped after Horizon and experimented on, and thus absent during the early game. They rescue him and return him to the Normandy. And while he's getting his affairs back together on the Citadel Kasumi, Thane and Bau play bodyguard to him while they figure out their odds of trying to arrest the Illusive man for having Kaiden experimented on. (Probably nil). As a result of him not being there Liara was the one attacked by Dr. Eva, and she got away with a lot less damage due to toughening up after becoming the shadow broker. And instead of James crashing the shuttle, Cortez takes his place, using a controlled crash to force the situation. In the end because they rescued him Kaiden is far less suspicious of people wanting to leave Cerberus and even reaches out to help some of them reenter the Alliance.
I find it odd that I got renegade points for choosing, "It's what he wants", and "Do it." Seems like a noble thing, asking someone to honor their loved ones "it's what he wants". Also, I think it's quite empowering for an individual when they make the choice themselves - to put the past behind them and move on, "Do it"
Havent watched the video yet, just my thoughts before it. This moment depends on the person and depends on your believes on how YOU would deal with something really important to you
Seems inappropriate to try and romance someone who is currently in the process of grieving their former lover. "Hey, sorry your man died, but wanna come hop into bed with me?" Like. She clearly isn't ready for that level of commitment again. Romancing her would just be gross.
Part of me really, REALLY wanted to let her keep it because i'm a paragon who wants everyone to be happy, but seeing this made me realise that she is much better off destroying it and living in the present instead of the past.
YOU BIG STUPID JELLYFISH
man I was gonna put that😂 by far in my top 3 for best dialogue in the trilogy.
i got a facebook ban for commenting that in a mass effect group lol.
Hilarious! 😆
My mass effect 3 keeps crashing on my Xbox one, idk why, I’ve been doing everything in my power to fix it, but nothing has worked, any advice anyone?
@@theflowereveryonelikestoom244 I don't have an Xbox one so I can't give you any advice really. Sorry. My mass effect games are all digital and I don't have any issues. If you have it on disk then perhaps it is damaged to some degree?
"She just spends all her free time plugged into a virtual existence trapped in the past"
As a WoW classic player I feel insulted
"Hello! Have you heard any news of my father?"
Greetings citizen, enjoying your time in Stormwind?
Hey! WoW is still fun.
@@FireLordJohn3191 This aged badly
@@FireLordJohn3191 that aged super badly
Loved the mission, my favourite part is a haunting little detail that blends so well into the game, the look that Shepard gives Saren's statue, like he's gonna come running off the plinth and attack.
is more a look of spite/challenge... like the statue can see shepard xD xD i always find it soo funny.
It makes me think of the :-/ --> >:-/ meme
it is really funny that everyone sees something else in Shepard's look, because that is the way we really feel maybe?... for me it was a look of sadness and rivalry, as even tho he was my enemy, I also knew Saren wanted to control the Sovereign at first and got controlled instead, which resulted in shooting himself in head when he realised he failed
Im closer to Stanislav’s idea. I always thought it was a look of pity.
Saren didn’t want to rule or destroy the galaxy, Sovereign did. Saren was a victim of Sovereign’s indoctrination, and even as a Reaper puppet he wanted to help the people of the galaxy, to show the Reapers they were worth sparing. My Shepard tried to talk Saren down, tried to show him reason, and free of Indoctrination, I might’ve been as proud to fight beside him as I was Nihilus. But the only way to free Saren by the time I had him alone was for him to kill himself.
I feel like when Shepard looks at that statue, they’re trying to see who Saren was before Sovereign. Who Saren could’ve been to them if things had been different.
@@JyujinPlus Personally, it's a look of respect and almost nostalgia. Once upon a time, Saren was Shepard's greatest rival, his primary enemy. In many ways, Saren is responsible for all of Shepard's progress and achievements since the first game. He wouldn't have become a Spectre and he wouldn't have met all his current friends and team members. Saren reminds him of how far he's come since Eden Prime, and how all that time ago Saren was Shepard's test of will against Sovereign and the Reapers. Saren was a Spectre like Shepard, and in that way they were both connected. It's because of Saren and the revelation of his corruption by the Reapers that Shepard is even in this fight in the first place. Without Saren, Shepard wouldn't even know about the Reapers and wouldn't be on a rogue mission across the galaxy outside of galactic law trying to stop them. Saren also reflects what could happen to Shepard if he isn't careful. Even with what he did to Captain Anderson, Saren was somehow still respected by Nihilus, the Spectre who was supposed to recommend us as a Spectre to the Council. Nihilus and Saren were friends once, but he was corrupted by the fear that Sovereign manipulated. Although the fight against the Reapers isn't over, Saren represents that he's already come a long way
I convinced her to destroy it, but i used the dialogue option telling her it's what Keiji wanted, and had her do it herself for closure. It felt the most appropriate.
this is the way.
edit - wanted to add that it was never about kasumi, it was about keiji's dying wish. at least that's how i see it.
Same, just felt better if she did it herself
I told her to do what she wanted. Who was I to make such a weighty decision for her?
The best morality point gain for a paragon Shepard is to recommend the graybox be destroyed (2 renegade points for either dialogue option which selects that outcome), and have Shep do it (5 paragon points). In contrast, forcing Kasumi to do it herself only gives another 2 renegade points, meaning Shepard exclusively gets renegade points from doing it that way.
This suggests that the story writers considered it to be cruel of Shepard to pressure Kasumi into deleting the graybox data herself.
Kasumi gets closure whether or not she herself 'presses the button.' The actual difference in the outcome is whether or not she feels like she has to apologize to Keiji first -- suggesting that on an emotional level, Kasumi feels deleting the data herself is a betrayal. Though she seems to know that's irrational, she feels it all the same.
Hence, it's more compassionate of Shepard to offer to do it themselves, shielding Kasumi from any feeling of guilt for the act.
@@Not-an-Alien The unspoken truth no one wants to talk about is that a major percentage of players chose to force Kasumi to delete the data herself because they were selfishly hoping that would unlock a romance route in ME3.
You're right that it should be Kasumi's choice. The line where Shepard says "you have to do this, you know that" when choosing to force Kasumi to delete it herself borders on gaslighting, frankly.
I think Kasumi makes the wrong choice when allowed to choose herself, but that's ethically irrelevant. People should be allowed to make their own mistakes.
I was always mad that infiltrators don’t get any special dialogue with kasumi
That would be pretty interesting
Kasumi: I can't just infiltrate a reaper party and steal a big " I win" bomb.
Shepard: DAMN IT! That was my main plan!
Shepard: *nervously glances at the crucible project hologram*
Honestly at first I let Kasumi keep the graybox: felt really sorry for her. But it took me years to understand how much wrong it was for her. Keiji was right, she didn't need that thing to know he's always with her. I think cases like this requires time and certain midset/maturity to understand. ME2 really is a moral "greyzone" if you're just not looking for paragon/renegade points.
Yes, I agree! I had to remind myself of this when playing, that sometimes the right choices are in front of us and it’s not always about the points.
I like how if you don’t get the crew member’s loyalty, and they somehow survive the collector base, the game corrects everything and makes them die in the third game, it would seem you really can’t cheat death. It always gets what is due. Really glad I had them all loyal and survive that crazy mission.
Considering loyalty missions can still be completed in ME2 after the suicide mission, it's totally inexcusable to have any surviving ME2 squaddie _not_ be loyal. 😅
Send Jacob into the vents anyway though, just because he deserves it
@@zc8211i mean his life worth 20 war asets... Atleast it's something.
@@Vadim_Slastihin yknow I saw this without knowing what it was and assumed it was talking about rear Admiral mikhailovich, and I would rather save him than Jacob.
I love Mass Effect. Even with all of Shepard’s cross arm leaning he does every five seconds.
Crash Bandicoot spins.
Big Boss/ Solid Snake asks the obvious.
Kratos kills gods.
“Nathan Drake, oh Crap”
Mario and Luigi twirl hats.
Travis Touchdown jacks his beam katana.
Sonic collects rings.
Commander Sheppard crosses arms in a judge-mental posture.
Every game gotta a thingy
Just like the Hero of Fereldan. Switching from arms crossed to hand to chin
And the head going forward and looking to the side
Or that thing he does where he awkwardly takes one step back in a weird, affected pose that's plainly trying to appear nonchalant, and definitely fails.
I always tell her to chuck that thing and move on.
If only Javik could throw it out an airlock
I would say that but the paragon points 😭
I feel like an idiot for letting her keep the grey box, i thought it was a good thing until i found out she kept living in the past with a hologram.
well we only guess that she moved on, for all we know she ended things after the invasion is taken care of
My thought is she's an adult, and I'm not her mother.
Its her choice.
@@thomasbedient9191 exactly why does everything in the game demand Shepard shape the characters to who they’ll be depending on his actions it dumb
I felt insulted when I destroyed the gray box in hopes of romancing her, I want to find BioWare left her incomplete.
@@NostalgicGamerRickOShay well it is made clear that she's only interested in Jacob so that was a stupid thing to get insulted over
If I remember correctly there's some funny dialogue with Kasumi during that mission if you chose her as your tech expert during the first part of the Collector base over Tali or Legion during ME2.
You forgot to mention that in the fusion ending (green), Kasumi is reunited with her lover if you keep the graybox.
It's still an imitation of him, regardless. A synthetic clone, if you will. So she's not truly reunited with him.
Not really. She just creates an imitation and keeps living in the past.
It's either me or him and I chose me destroy ending is the only answer
unfortunately, it's pretty obvious in the new teaser trailer for the new game that the "destroy" ending is going to be made canon.
@@tsdobbi Noooo ! I want the "Control" ending to be canon !
I like that Kasumi's loyalty choice is like Garrus'. It has no effect on Loyalty, you've already helped them settle their past. Instead it has a profound impact on them as a person.
Their choice is the quick and easy answer to the problem but if you force them to move forward, it's more painful in their eyes but is ultimately worth it.
I enjoy her loyalty mission in which we can find that cool enemy from Dragon Age. I always kept her box because I'd keep it to myself if I was in her shoes.
until you find out that if she keeps it, She just spends all her free time plugged into a virtual existence trapped in the past. that aint living chief
@@dlallman3758 but she doesn’t want to move on which sucks 💔
Yeah I was tickled to see the Ogre well, makes me think that world is another planet.
You make an interesting point about free will. Should we prevent someone from dwelling on the past when it is stopping them from moving into the future, even if it brings them comfort in the present? Does this infringe on their freedom even if it's for their greater good (like taking keys from a drunk driver)?
I have to agree with you. Technology can make moving on harder (ever broken up with someone with Facebook memories reminding you of the stuff you did with that person on a daily basis), but I think Kasumi would be happier and healthier once she's moved on.
That's right.
@@shadow4040 you make a valid point. Grief is a selfish emotion, but it's your emotion. No one can tell you when it's time to move on but you. Even then, maybe moving on isn't the right term. You just learn to live with that person's absence.
I've heard it described as like a ball in a box with a button. When the ball hits the button, you feel sad. Some days the ball is small and doesn't hit the button at all. Some days it's really large and constantly hits it. The grieving process can be made better with technology, but it can also deepen grief
I suppose another issue is Keiji didn't want the greybox to be kept, he wanted it deleted. Do the memories of a man get to tell you how to grieve for that man? I'm taking the "be cruel to be kind" approach here, but still there are many questions that you just can't answer in a TH-cam comment section.
Well put bro, feel free to disagree but social media does not help when it comes to break ups.
@@saxpackabs I thought about it long and hard, and I decided to let her keep it. I don't think destroying the grey box would really do much to make her move on, since she's surrounded by memorabilia from her time with Keiji. I thought about it like my grandfather, if I had recordings of every encounter and conversation I had with him, I'd cherish each word. It's not up to me or any of us on how she should handle memories, cause that's all the gray box is, memories.
@@rattles8789 Consider this: Kenji wanted that greybox deleted specifically because he didn't want Kasumi living in the past. Keeping it to comfort her is directly disrespecting his memory. One can argue that it isn't our place to tell Kasumi how to grieve and that the wishes of a dead man don't matter, but her own lover knew that given the opportunity, she would indulge in his memory and the greybox would be detrimental to her in the longterm. As her friend, isn't it our responsibility to step in when all signs point to her making an unhealthy choice for herself?
Ultimately, if she refused to give up the greybox, we couldn't make her and it would be cruel to force it. But she can give it up. I'd like to think it is because deep down she knows it is the right choice, if the more painful one in the short term.
Btw, not saying you're wrong for letting her keep it. I've taken both routes on various playthroughs, I think my outlook has just changed a bit over the years.
I was always annoyed by her "death". I mean, if she'd died, her body would be literally just right there, cloaked, but the NPCs act like "Whelp, she's gone, no need to call the morgue or anything."
Jondum has no reason to go after her aside from proving that she isn't invulnerable and can't always avoid everyone. Kasumi isn't a big threat to him at the moment, she is a very good thief who's skills are comparable to the Salarians and helped Shepard. If she died, she died a hero, and if she faked her death, he would just let her leave because she saved the Hanar homeworld.
I kept Kasumi alive in ME2 and when I went to play ME3 she never showed up anywhere. At the final cutscene when Garrus is about to put the plack with SHepards name on the wall, I saw her name there and thought WTF.
She's only involved in one single side quest.
Did you import your save from ME2? This is important. Because if you didn't - she doesn't appear in this side quest at all, you have to choose between saving the salarian spectre or saving the Hanar homeworld Kahje.
@@spartanq7781 She has a sidequest in the Citadel DLC and her interactions at the party are hilarious.
It's a known bug that savefiles get corrupted from time to time. The most common bug is : Players killed the trasher maw in ME2 and Grunt dies in ME3. That's wrong.
Try this first: If you got your old savefiles from ME2, try to reload it in ME2 talk to your surviving crewmates and save with another save slot. When restart ME3 from the beginng and try again to pick the save files. If this did not work:
Second try: Copy your save folders , deinstall the games completly and than reinstall either by Steam (or Origin). Then put you copied save files back on the right position within the files.
If it Is worth the effort? Well it up to you to decide.
@@sergeontheloose I imported my saves, I probably just missed her on the Citadel. It was just hilarious to all the sudden discover she's dead somehow.
(Potential spoilers)
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If you do the ending where everything gets synthesized and she kept the gray box she can use the memories to create a living hologram of him.
I’ve never liked the Synthesis ending, but this is the main reason I’d choose it.
NEAT!
heck YEAH synthesis ending.
@@theatlascomplex2052 The main reason why I would choose the synthesis ending is to keep EDI and the Geth alive.
Synthesis would be an abomination and I don't understand why anyone would want to go that route
"Should BioWare have made Kasumi a romance option?" Is a better question.
It could've been but probably too soon given Keiji's death. Steve Cortez was different, he had six months.
@@empressink_ There's also Thane though, who has perfect memory
@@fallenangel5240 He seemed more intact with it though. Kasumi was grieving badly.
At first I was very upset that you couldn't romance her or interact with her outside of her mission. But now i am kinda glad that you couldn't romance her. Her entire lojal mission was to get revenge and take the last what is left of her partner/lover. It wouldn't be as impactful as it was when, after the mission you both were like "So, we bang. Ok?"
It would have been great to if you could recrute her in ME3 and when you had choose to destroy the cube, she would be a romance option because "she moved on"
The lack of interaction was a weakness of ME2 anyways
@@pizzamafioso9191 Getting turned down because the memory of her dead lover is too fresh is one thing. But the game is literally blocking you from so much as asking her a question.
Also, the whole "we'll bang" meme is such bullshit. It stinks of one-night-stand crap, not actual romance.
Lastly, being blocked from so much as talking robs me of the feeling of escapism, which is what I seek when playing story-rich ROLE-PLAYING games like Mass Effect.
Appreciate the fact that ur putting out these videos before the legendary edition
So basically either way is good? I honestly felt that destroying it while the more renegade choice was much better for Kasumi as it allowed her to move on.
That maybe so, but I believe is the right thing. If Kasumi kept kenji's box, she will Stuck of her past because of kenji's death, believe is her fault what happened to him. I'm sorry but i believe that she need to move forward and move on of her life.
@@vicentserrano9268 nah nah. Kenji got game ended for snooping where he wasn't supposed to. Kasumi got nothing with this.
I let her keep it cause I felt it would be a huge waste going through all the hoops to get the box just to destroy it. It was hers and her responsibility. Can't make judgments with hindsight in mind.
This videos are great big dan.
Much appreciated!
I played this mission for the first time last night as it’s my first time with the trilogy. I had her delete it herself. Thank you for airing this.
These make me want to play them again. But I am waiting on the Legendary Edition in May. But I also don't want to wait 🥺😫
Me to the best part it will be my first time playing mass effect 1
I recently finished another play through of the original trilogy however I love Mass Effect so much I will happily play the Legendary Edition when it comes out lol.
@@hawk66100 I know I will too. There are just not enough hours in the day to do everything I want to do. There would be without work. Stupid work.
This obsession just led me to replay Mass Effect over three times to get the Platinum trophy on the PS3 version. I'm currently wondering if I should get the Citadel DLC for ME3 or waiting two months for the Legendary Edition
@@JHenry-nz7hy That's why I am waiting for Legendary. I don't have all the DLC's.
As someone who also sucks at moving on from the past...
Understandable.
I know she’s still in mourning over Keiji... but I still wanted to romance her dammit. That or at least end up with Jacob.
There's a reason why no one romances Jacob
@@scarletpsychowolf3578 how comes?
@@mrche8786 You know how Jacob ends up with someone in ME3? That's absolute. Therefore, romancing Jacob in ME2 results in him cheating on you in ME3, which makes it super awkward
@@scarletpsychowolf3578 Yikes, that is awkward, glad I'm playing a male Shephard. Thanks for letting me know,
I ended up destroying it but I regret making the decision for Kasumi, felt like it would have been better to let her say goodbye vs just silently watching her lovers memories be erased. She definitely needed to grow past it to be happy but she at least gets closer. That just kinda speaks to the writing of this game, sometimes you get closer, other times you don’t.
Your acting like her memories still don't exist
Thank you Big Dan for the great feedback. I totally missed this quest in Mass Effect 3
I remember playing this mission on ME3 without playing any DLC's from the previous games, I never knew that there was a way to save both at the end of the mission.
I would have liked if they had also said Shepard, and all Specters have grey boxes as well, something Shepard might try to deny. It would help explain why a dead specter could be resurrected with their memories intact. The grey box could hold all of that info, and then Miranda's team could us it to reconstruct Shepard's personality. Memory can't be saved when somebody dies, but a grey box might just allow it.
When I played the DLC, I thought that destroying the Greybox contents would always result in "missing" Kasumi's loyalty. Making the whole mission a waste... So to speak.
(After watching to the end of this)
...which was a mistake.
I would love to hear what people say regarding her keeping the Greybox and the Synthesis ending. Cause that one basically confirms that the memories inside the Greybox became sentient and she basically has her lover back. That’s such an interesting metaphysical discussion. Is she truly happy with this VI who thinks he’s Keiji? Or is it actually kind of sad?
I agree. After all these years, I still can't decide if that ending slide is disturbing or beautiful.
A cool detail is if she saves the grey box and you pick synthesis at the end of 3, Kenji is actually brought back to life.
I love this DLC character. My Shepards are always very protective of her (not in a possessive way, but in a “don’t you dare shoot at her!” way). I also love how she calls Shepard “Shep”. I don’t think any other character does that.
She is the only one who calls Shepard 'Shep', in the games that is. Seems to have caught on with a few people like MrHulthen(should you be watching him). May or may not have with me too, though I chose to incorporate that in my totally not real fan story that I definitely didn't start to write because I wanted to get my own character(not Shepard, btw) into a thing with Kasumi, though the idea has slightly branched out and evolved from there since.
I/my own Shepard was like that too, in my imagination. It was like, when I heard Kasumi being shot at, it was like "Ey! Stop shooting at Kasumi, you idiots!". I could totally imagine this exchange following.
"I have a shield, you know?"(Kasumi)
"That doesn't mean I *want* them to shoot at you!"
Not hard for me to say Kasumi's my favorite. She's just funny/adorable in a way, and a touch relatable due to her loss with Keiji. That aspect of her story almost seemed a little too similar to the one I originally came up with for my OC(in the theme of not wanting to/being unable to move on from the one thing that reminds them of the past, due to the pain of having to face their loss properly). Before I started throwing her into other universes, that is.
The only thing I struggle with is not butchering her family name. Thankfully, I don't have to use it.
I could see wanting to lose oneself in the Graybox; it's hard to turn away a blissful past when the present contains little if any joy.
Honestly, I could have gone either way with this choice when it comes to Kasumi. I destroyed the box because of the dangers I thought it possed, according to my Shepards morality and reasoning, not because I feared for Kasumi living in the past cause she could still do that without the Greybox too.
this is the SECOND video that changed my mind ab decisions, I always let her keep it bc that would make her happy, but it wasnt what’s best for her
this is one of few missions that shows that Paragon way is not always the best way... sometimes universe is not black and white but blurs, that is when we have to trust our heart 🙂
A lot of people give Kasumi's character flack but I don't know why. She's a useful battle buddy and while her mission isn't Pulitzer worthy, it's not exactly generic either. She's a skilled individual with a decent story.
She's usually my choice for the Vents section in the Suicide Mission.
I'm sorry, they give Kasumi _what._
*loads Widow with killing intent*
Keep the box
- it has essential info
Dont keep the box
- I remember some stuff from memory
Ahh, our choices not mattering. A mass effect classic.
That *is* obnoxious, but the choice at least has personal ramifications: keep it and Kasumi falls into the past, destroy it and she looks to the future.
@@BlaineTog outside of some dialogue lines, that's as far as it goes.
@@guilhermehank4938 Sure, if you want to frame it that way. But that dialogue indicates an enormous difference for Kasumi.
I agree that I wish our choices had bigger effects on the galaxy but at the same time, it's not reasonable to assume that even most of Shepard's choices will reach that far. Making a difference in the lives of the people you meet is much more likely and I'm glad that BioWare at least didn't skimp there.
Still way better than choices in telltale games imo
@@BlaineTog exactly imagine how dumb it would be if this choice was linked to like the salarians living or some shit it’s really dumb to be like “wow my choices don’t matter” to a gd personal decision.
Gawd I love the Kamsumi DLC. So many ways to get it done.
Wow. I always let her keep the box...but your video gave me a convincing argument. For my FemShep Legendary run I’ll tell her to destroy it. Great video, I appreciate it a lot!
Worst part about her is not being able to really talk to her. Get she was late add on but they could have added a few things to talk to her about once aboard the ship. The fact her/ Cerberus secret wasn't discussed with Shepard was disappointing, waiting until the 3rd to address it.
Hey big dan, your videos are getting me pretty excited to the remaster, thanks.
It’s pretty amazing that Mass Effect 3 still looks really good. Sure it’s not Doom Eternal detail, but it’s still good to look at. Mass Effect 2 also holds up, but it’s not as clean as ME3 of course.
Honestly, I felt like ME3 graphics were actually worse than ME2 due to the ugly dark shaders that were applied. ME3 may have higher quality textures, but the graphics of ME2 and even ME1 felt better to me.
Me after watching this video realizing the information gets leaked no matter what you choose:
No, NO, bad Kasumi, drop it!
if I'm not mistaken, in the third part, when choosing the ending where the androids/robots will become alive, then she can again unite with her love
To be fair! She is thirsty for Jacob so I'd like to think she's taken a step forward in moving on ^^
it's a little misleading. if you keep the greybox, and do the side mission with Kasumi and get her as a war asset, there's an event in the Citadel DLC that shows Kasumi working with a team to 'robin hood' a bit of folks at the Casino, adn mentions the work she's doing for the Crucible project and that the robin hood thing is letting of a little steam. So it really seems like if you do the side mission, she doesn't spend all her time with the Greybox and instead gets back into her life now that you've given her a push.
It's just assumption that she will never move on. Personally I think It's best to keep a memento from the past rather than destroy it.
Despite her attraction to Jacob I loved Kasumi. She had me at backflip....Period!
I remember I let her keep the box. Well...I know it's a bit destructive thing to do but hell. We're gonna die soon from the Reapers. What else can I do in this short amount of time to improve my life. Doubtfully nothing.
But yeah, next time I think I'll destroy the box for her future
Hey man, love what your doing by reminiscing gameplay on Mass Effect just in time for the Legendary Edition. Keep it up!
In this mission i love Dragon age reference. There is one statue from dragon age. I like how Kasumi tell "Wow. Imagine that thing coming at you in a dark alley". It tooking me flashback scene from dragon age how he do it. xD
I also got the Batarian forces in Me3 because I did the Batarian dlc in Me1 and let Balak go to save the hostages, so I was able to convince him to work for me in the end.
I always wanted a keep it and relive the memories/find any useful information for like a week then destroy it option 😄
It seems to harsh to have to immediately destroy it
I always wished that Shepard could pursue a romance with Kasumi
Right she was awesome but her lost love was seemingly super recent.
She was too infatuated with Jacob
I wish female Shepard could hook up with Kasumi. That would be hot 😍
@@hawk66100 blocked and reported
@@BooGulley seriously ??
Congrats for 10k dude!
Thanks!
"She just spends all her free time plugged into a virtual existence trapped in the past"
Fuck, why do i feel so attacked by this statement
In the immortal words of Javik
THROW IT OUT THE AIRLOCK!
Even if you let her keep the graybox she does eventually move on. She mentions her interest in Jacob, even though he has other stuff going on. She moves on just slower.
Hopefully Legendary will fix the pc crash that happens after that final graybox conversation with Kasumi.
If you don’t know, the fix is to use launch parameters to turn off the start movies. It’ll prevent the crash.
It stops a lot more cutscenes than it seems, so turn them back on once you are done.
@@Jagrofes I'm aware of it, and have used it many times - but you shouldn't have to.
@@zaguar3153 fair enough.
It is really annoying and flow breaking to fix.
I bet they will. They already confirmed some bug fixes like AMDs notorious black blobs in ME1.
Hey, thanks for covering this. And now watching it, I'll probably tell Kasumi to destroy the greybox on my next ME2 run. I always had her keep it because I wanted her to be happy. Thanks again.
I always tell her to destroy the box
I just want her to honor, her former lover wishes
"... she can jacked into the virtual memories..."
😅🤣 Oh my!
Shepard: "You cant spend all your time plugged into that thing!"
Kasumi: *gasp* "What did you say? "Goddamn hypocrite!"
Me, with my VR headset: "NANI?!?!"
I think you might as well let her keep them because she just finds away to keep them anyway
And then what? Stuck in the past with the info box, from her death lover. I'm sorry but no, she need to let go from the past and move forward. That box has to be destroy.
Super cool, Kasumi is dead in my current playthrough and I failed this side quest so now I can see what could have been
I think it would have been more interesting if you could only have her war asset if the greybox was destroyed, reforcing the idea she spends all her time with it and have no interest in helping the crucible over old memories.
Very thorough. Thank you.
It should be mentioned that if keeps the Graybox and you choose the Synthesis Ending, you would see Kasumi and Keiji reunited--in a way. Basically, Keiji is resurrected and sort of regains sentient form. In other words, if you want her to keep the graybox, choose the synthesis ending, and you basically will give her boyfriend back. This is of course seen in the ending slides, Kasumi is in a field somewhere and Keiji appears as like a green apparition in the form of a human of Japanese descent and it does seem that she could interact with him physically
i love the 2 dragon age easter age with the ogre statue and the man named hawke
I told her to keep it first time on her Loyalty mission, dammit
When the remaster comes out, she will destroy it because the future is more important than the past
Keep it. It helps save the hanar home planet in Mass Effect 3.
How?
i never got the DLCs so i've never played with Kasumi, and i didnt know you could save both T_T
Mass Effect is quite inconsistent if it comes to the "remember or forget" theme. On the one hand we have Kasumi, Thane and Javik, but on the other - Geth Consensus Archives, Maelon's data and Jack. In case of Kasumi it's not really that big deal. She is highly functional both ways and doesn't compromise on her work.
It's not inconsistent. It's about "what is better to remember, and what is better to forget"
At 3:19 the powering down sound is synced with Kasumi lowering her head when she's sad, and it looks like she's the one powering down, I know it's supposed to be a sad moment, but I can't help but chuckle
I always wanted Kasumi as a fully fledged Companion in 3, even without any romantic part.
i thought you do this mission for The Kassa Locust lying just next to it, right?
Good stuff Dan! Keep it up 👍😁
So… what I don’t exactly understand… and maybe I’ll understand once I actually get to play ME3 and get these scenes in their entire context…
Kasumi at the very least explains *why* she isn’t rejoining Shepard’s crew again in the third game. And frankly it checks out.
But from what I’ve seen of a few of your other videos on the repercussions of various Loyalty missions and the like. A good number of the SR-2’s crew from the suicide mission don’t sign back on with Shepard again… and like…
Why? Wrex I guess I understand, while not a member of the ME2 party the dude basically becomes the closest to a Krogan king to ever exist… the dude is busy…
Kasumi is rightfully scared and frankly out of her depth fighting the space Metal Gears…
But what about everyone else?
This is such a good mission! But I still have no idea what accent Donovan Hawk is trying to put on 😂😂😂 it’s so all over the place it’s hilarious
I love how somehow saving the box makes her speciest
An ally being trapped in the past or destroy the graybox and evidence of indoctrinated Hanar? I'd rather have Kasumi being stuck in the past than not having concrete evidence of an indoctrinated agent.
I would never force someone to essentially throw away their own memories just to get them to "move on". Who are you to judge whether or not that is the right move? What if they don't actually ever recover from this loss? People who have lost their significant other to death sometimes are never able to move on afterwards.
Secondly, how do we know whether or not she's going to just magically live a happier life by destroying the gray box? We can't possibly see into the future, we don't know what life has in store for her if she destroys it, that box might end up being her one and only reprieve in life if life decides to put her through the meat grinder for the rest of her time alive.
Lastly, in the Synthesize ending, she ACTUALLY GETS TO REUNITE WITH HER LOVER. Since that ending is the one I like the most, I consider that to be my canon ending, so it just makes sense to let her keep the gray box in the end.
As someone who has lost a loved one and lived in depression teetering on suicidal thoughts for a year sitting on my memories and refusing to move on, until FINALLY I got some friends to clean out the things I was holding onto after I got them together. I tried to do it myself and couldn't. Best I could do was get the stuff together and ask them to do it for me. Doing so dug me out of a depressive spiral and I've been much, MUCH better ever since. Been a few years since then.
We cherish our memories. We hold them close in our hearts. But there comes a point when you realize the physical things you're holding onto aren't consoling you anymore, they are keeping you down. They aren't helping you cope, they are keeping you depressed. Continuing a vicious downward spiral that will eventually, quite literally, destroy you. Keeping a few pictures or something but getting rid of everything else is one thing, that's what I did. Getting rid of absolutely everything would just be too heartless, cold. But these aren't physical possessions she's keeping and vicariously reliving memories through.
They are actual memories she's diving into and reliving as if they were still happening, day after day. That's NOT healthy. She will NEVER move on that way. Since she's reliving them she'd probably never take her own life, the urge to do so would just lead her to plugging in again and "all is well" once she does. That's not a "reprieve" that's straight up refusal to move on. Not inability, outright refusal.
What I'm getting at is destroying the greybox isn't "throwing away her memories". She still has them. She can still hold onto and cherish them. Remember them fondly for what they were. Memories are in the heart, not objects and things. That said, to keep the greybox would only serve to hold back her ability to be truly happy ever again. Even with synthesize, she won't be truly happy, because that ending has its own implications as well.
So yes, for Kasumi's wellbeing destroying the greybox is without question the right move. Keeping it will only allow her to wear a mask with fake happiness for the rest of her days, just like I was, guaranteeing she will never be able to move on. Self sabotage, never even giving herself a chance to TRY to move on. That's not happiness, it's denial.
Someone once said are love ones are only dead when they are truly forgotten
7:33 damn. They really gave kasumi The Spy's Deadringer
9:15 Real content of this video begins here
A sad thing to witness makes the *observer* happier, but that's not necessarily true for the other person.
Regardless of the choice, it's theirs to make.
At least, IRL.
I let her keep the graybox because I thought that's what she really wanted
Same, plus I figured she'd move on at her own pace. All things considered, she still lives an active life in ME3, it's not like she becomes a hermit. You even meet her in the Citadel DLC, planning a heist of sorts.
When making decisions in Mass Effect that have to do with history, I have a tendency to weigh the consequences and the culture. In humans that's a no brainer. With Kasumi I tend to go on her earth culture because it's pronounced enough in Mass Effect to make a decision. The Japanese are primarily buddhist, letting go of the past after a loved one dies is an important part of the culture. We see this reflected in Kasumi's outcomes during the quest she shows up in in Mass Effect 3. Without her being in the game as it were by having her loyalty mission completed, she becomes so focused on retrieving the grey box that it may have gotten her killed.
The other thing I think about when it comes to decisions to do with history is how many people are impacted by the choice to let it go, especially directly impacted by the mission or by reduction in war assets (indicating loss of life or interest in fighting the reapers somehow). This philosophy automatically excludes the renegade path in Zaeed's quest in which you let the refinery workers die. These people were not there of their own accord, Zaeed has no right to put his revenge over their lives. Likewise it automatically excludes most of the renegade options in mass effect 2's loyalty missions. Garrus is on the path to becoming a fine leader, he needs to know where to draw the line so I refuse to let him take the shot. Tali the same, her credibility with the Quarians could be critical to building a coalition. For this reason I always bring Legion to her trial as well, it's an opportunity Shepard may only get once, to get to know a Geth that isn't trying to kill him and it forces the admiralty board to take a look in the mirror before the Reapers show up.
As far as fan things go. I tend to characterize Kasumi as "Little sister to an entire alliance warship!" And I had her and Miranda play an important role in an alternate mass effect 3 I'm writing in which Kaiden is kidnapped after Horizon and experimented on, and thus absent during the early game. They rescue him and return him to the Normandy. And while he's getting his affairs back together on the Citadel Kasumi, Thane and Bau play bodyguard to him while they figure out their odds of trying to arrest the Illusive man for having Kaiden experimented on. (Probably nil). As a result of him not being there Liara was the one attacked by Dr. Eva, and she got away with a lot less damage due to toughening up after becoming the shadow broker. And instead of James crashing the shuttle, Cortez takes his place, using a controlled crash to force the situation. In the end because they rescued him Kaiden is far less suspicious of people wanting to leave Cerberus and even reaches out to help some of them reenter the Alliance.
its also worth noting that if you take kasumi on the shadow broker base mission the shadow broker will say that shes hiding the greybox
Doing her loyalty mission is one of my first missions do because of the gun get
8:34 The fact that Kasumi's corpse isn't anywhere plainly proves she didn't die. She simply isn't loyal to Shepard, so she's done with them.
I find it odd that I got renegade points for choosing, "It's what he wants", and "Do it."
Seems like a noble thing, asking someone to honor their loved ones "it's what he wants". Also, I think it's quite empowering for an individual when they make the choice themselves - to put the past behind them and move on, "Do it"
My favourite loyalty mission.
Havent watched the video yet, just my thoughts before it.
This moment depends on the person and depends on your believes on how YOU would deal with something really important to you
I kind of wished you could romance kasumi , that romance doesn’t mean you forget, but can finally open up again to someone again
It would have been a better option than at least one Canon romance in me 2
Seems inappropriate to try and romance someone who is currently in the process of grieving their former lover. "Hey, sorry your man died, but wanna come hop into bed with me?"
Like. She clearly isn't ready for that level of commitment again. Romancing her would just be gross.
@@tyf.5111 Mmmm Thane, with some differences in time, but not really for the player?
Or even Cortez...
I always tell her to destroy it since Keiji tells her to. Seems like the best option.
Part of me really, REALLY wanted to let her keep it because i'm a paragon who wants everyone to be happy, but seeing this made me realise that she is much better off destroying it and living in the present instead of the past.