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There are variety of choices in 18650 battery made in china. The 18650 is not a consumer standard, the channel that reaches consumer is chaos and mostly illegal (some are disqualified waste from factory, some are disassembly from electric waste). The reliable way to get those is to place order in batches to qualified factory or get them from disassembling qulaity yet cheap power bank like XiaoMi.
If Ultrafire was selling a car: - it flies, no fuel required, V12 engine, all wheels have electric motor, it can dive into the sea, can reach supersonic speeds, no spare parts necessary... Daum people, please be careful about these little things, they hold great amount of energy and Chinese makers are really dishonest.
@@ProjectFarm I say the same...I see other videos and they only test bad battery and if they test others r good battery they don"t have idea how to do it.
This channel is using a different way to demonize Chinese, westerners like to fabricate fake video to demonize China and finally fool people with no brain, it is disgusting, firstly, using the CHEAPEST China products to compare to the most branded non China product itself is ridiculous, secondly, the price of the China product mentioned in the video is more than 10 times cheaper in China than the price you mentioned in the video, so who you actually pay most of the price of the product to? The answer is THE IMPORTER AND MIDDLE MAN in your country. The real fact is CCP is already the current biggest high-tech entrepreneur and capitalist in the world, China contributes the most to the world and western countries grab the most with even inhuman measurements, it sounds ridiculous right? Use your brain to think further when you come across anything about China from westerners, western people are too jealous about the returning of the China power and tried very hard to fabricate fake videos, spread rumors to demonize China, shamelessness is continue until they destroy themselves with their inferior personality. Chai From Malaysia.
Two years after this video is made and its still providing a benefit to humanity. Words cannot describe how grateful I am of your work! Shopping for nebulous items like these have been made so much easier because of you.
Deserved but I hold "silent" moments or prayer do little as God spoke all things into existence....out loud and that's how we should pray, even in private... IMO.
I love that you don’t take 5 minutes of content and turn it into a 15 minute video. You keep it moving, and get to the point. Great job!! And I don’t even use these batteries.
He takes like 4+ hours of content and condenses it down to 15 minutes filtering out all the crap. No bull crap here, just pure project farm science. I truly look forward to the day when he gets an approval license to put on products. Project farm approved is the future.
@@DiavolO18 he could walk into home depot or Walmart with a roll of project farm approved stickers and start sticking them on products he approves of and I bet sales would go up a bit. If I walked in to home depot to get another cordless drill and saw his sticker on one, I wouldn't look at the price or the competition. I would simply grab it and go knowing it's good enough to pass his tests. That would also save a lot of time shopping too. That would easily shave off 20 minutes of my normal home depot or lowes trips.
@@TheSlimCognito Just grab MAKITA! THE BEST FOR RANGE. I'VE STILL GOT MAKITA TOOLS 38 YEARS OLD. THEY WORK LIKE NEW. ALL THEIR NEWER STUFF IS STILL TOPS TOO
I recently was inspired to do my own tests. I found the same results. The Japanese batteries were 10 years old, salvaged from old laptops. After two weeks of testing, they all tested the same and within 80%+ of their stated capacity. The newer Chinese batteries gave me as little as 10% of the rated capacity.
I'm using an EFest 18650 battery in my vape mod which works fine, lasts me about a day of normal vaping using a 0.6 Ohm load. Tried several different Samsung blue and green batteries and they weren't any better. It depends on the application, including load and amperage draw.
Bird's Eye summary: The best of the Chinese batteries were less than *half* as good as the worst of the Korean and Japanese batteries. The Chinese claim of 9800mAh is not simply inaccurate; it's fraud. There are no surprises here.
@@celhpwns That is because you already had a prepossessed opinion on Chinese products and having someone confirm that feels good. Everyone knows that the biggest capacity in an 18650 battery is around 3600mAh, so he knew he was testing a fake (counterfeit) UltraFire battery, even a quick look at the UlraFire web-sire revealed that the biggest 18650 they make is 3600mAh. This whole test is just a scam
With the current chemistry available for making 18650 batteries, and its volume, none will have more then 3500mAh. Anything claiming more then that is false, until a better chemistry comes around.
@@dasworkshop4967 yeah bcs they know only 10 in 1000 ppl will complain and they refund a few $ but make a ton of profit. their business model is all about acceptable liability
I've seen so many from efest and other Chinese brand, claiming monstrous capacity and skyrocketing amperage. The only things those battery are good for it's blow your hand off when you use them.
When they advertise a capacity 3 times the best cells on the market, I guess that's their way of telling you it's BS right from the start. But impressive sheef-life, eh?
@ you are right but at the same time the only buying this type of cells are really the ones who don't know what they are doing. Sad fact is that there will always be a load of those kind of ppl.
Years ago I tested an Ultrafire 9800 that came with a cheap flashlight. It turned out to have about 240mAh, and you could almost let it hover in the air, it was so light😁
@@exgenica There a ton of fakes, the originals don't have a great reputation either, but the fakes with transparently obviously overstated capacities are all but certain to be worse.
This channel is using a different way to demonize Chinese, westerners like to fabricate fake video to demonize China and finally fool people with no brain, it is disgusting, firstly, using the CHEAPEST China products to compare to the most branded non China product itself is ridiculous, secondly, the price of the China product mentioned in the video is more than 10 times cheaper in China than the price you mentioned in the video, so who you actually pay most of the price of the product to? The answer is THE IMPORTER AND MIDDLE MAN in your country. The real fact is CCP is already the current biggest high-tech entrepreneur and capitalist in the world, China contributes the most to the world and western countries grab the most with even inhuman measurements, it sounds ridiculous right? Use your brain to think further when you come across anything about China from westerners, western people are too jealous about the returning of the China power and tried very hard to fabricate fake videos, spread rumors to demonize China, shamelessness is continue until they destroy themselves with their inferior personality. Chai From Malaysia.
funny to see how the cheaper brands misspelled "shelf life" 0:58 - ultrafire "sheef-life" 4:05 - castnoo "sheef-life" 4:55 - bxe "shell life" unsurprisingly, these brands also added an extra digit to their mAh ratings from around 900 to 9000.
Wrong spelling is a good indicator to stay away from a product. One thing I noticed, the error seems to have a pattern. Those different brands could be manufactured by just one company. It was just re-branded. Great vid keeping us entertained while we are going thru a lockdown. Keep safe guys.
You would think it would be worth their time to pay someone that speaks English to proofread their stuff before making a fool out of themselves with printing. Nothing says unprofessional like 3rd-grade spelling.
You are the fastest I've ever seen. you present the facts, and don't fiddle around with un-needed details. You present your research findings and nothing more, with a dash of humor between the lines. Your channel is my absolute favorite. Before I purchase anything I'm unfamiliar with, I always consult with you. Thank you PF, keep up the absolutely awesome work. I would love to be able to do what you do. If you ever need a sidekick or assistant, for testings, I'm volunteering. Please continue. We need you. P.S. I appreciate your honesty most of all.
Its the same story with China made inverters. I recently bought what was advertised as a 2000w pure sine wave, but it was digitally induced sine and produced about 200w continuous and 300w peak. Whatever it states, divide by 10!
I think this is the best channel on TH-cam for reviews and testing: realistic use-case testing, no bullsh*t, staying objective at all times. Your reviews are underrated.
I would like a hammer test on these. I work in electronics recycling and these 18650 batteries starts like 99% of fires at our factory. I would like to know if some are more prone to bursting in to flames when mangled than others or if it is just dependent on their charge state. If you do test it, do it outside on a windy day, the smoke is definitely not good for you. Also, don't use water to put it out or have a source of it nearby, it not only worsens the fire but it also creates more of the very poisonous hydrogen fluoride gas that is generated by the burning of lithium hexafluorophosphate.
@@Ormagoden94 What? The batteries in vape pens are usually lithium polymer, they aren't nearly as bad as 18650. Also, did they get killed by poisoning? There's no way the explosion from a small lithium polymer battery could kill someone unless they held it pressed right next to an artery or something. Or was there a time and place that 18650 was common in vape pens? Those would be a serious hazard and I could see that being able to kill someone.
@@skitidet4302 There are a lot of bigger vape machines that use 2x 18650 batteries. You need those if you want to do up to 200 W sub-ohm vaping (meaning the coil has as little as 0.1 ohm resistance). They are more fun than the pens because they can produce a huge amount of vapor, but they fell a little out of favor because only massive douchebags used them in public spaces. They can basically be turned into fog generators with the right liquid. On the other hand, these are not a danger at all if you buy good 18650 cells like the Murata (former Sony) VTC5 or VTC6 and if you are a little careful with the cells. Put some additional shrink-wrap over them to prevent exposed metal, only transport them in silicon "socks" or battery boxes, and only use good, reliable charging devices. I've been using them at home for many years and never had a problem nor have I ever been worried. I mean, I used to do some rc model drone flying. Those high-amp drone LiPos can give you the creeps. But brand-name high-quality 18650s? No, they're fine. (I never crush them or hit them with hammers)
@@skitidet4302 A loud 'k-pow' from daughter's workbench. Me: "Arrrrrghh!!!" (now face down in plate of spaghetti) Medic: "Set biphasic defib to 200 joules. CLEAR!" Anonymous: Playing taps with bugle. (...an _"or something"_)
Thanks for this content. The fraudlent marketing of those high capacity China-batteries is shocking. Good to hear the standard reputable brands (Panasonic, Sanyo, Samsung, LG, Sony) are still providing batteries that pretty much meet their specs.
Not shocking at all to me. One friend of me told me main difference between Japan and China is in Japan 98% of businesses really want to make a fair deal not even thinking about any scam rest are either unintentional or intentional frauds. In China 99% of businesses are trying to exploit you or scam you (I'm not saying you cannot make a good deal but you'll have to have really thorough QC).
@@ProjectFarm You really should have included Molicel though (E-One Moli Energy Corp, Taiwan) with 0ver 40 years experience in battery technology - currently the best on the market, as tested by Battery Mooch, licenced electrical engineer and consultant on energy storage characterisation to power suppliers, broadcasters, and the US Army, among other clients. I'm sure Molicel would be happy to supply a set of each of their high current and high capacity cells in each major format for testing.
The off brand batteries are generally batteries bought from major producers that couldn't make the cut so they will generally always never match their specs even if they seem reasonable
@Huo Yeh Damn, to think of the money I wasted on the 24 Molicel P28A batteries that I currently have in use, with their 2,800 mAh capacity and 25A continuous discharge rate, identical to the 8 lower capacity P26A 2,600mAh I still have, or the two Molicel M35As that I use in less power-hungry devices because they can only deliver 10A continuous, but have a 3,500mAh capacity- you know, the ones made in the country in which the temporarily exiled Republic of China government still holds power while the rest of their rightful territory on the mainland is occupied by the CCP genocidal terrorists. Those made under the CCP are bound to have fraudulent markings because they can't help lying about anything. They even deny the genocides they commit in full view of even privately-owned satellites, so to ask if they also lie about battery capabilities is like asking if fleas bite - of course they do, it is in their nature.
@@animeQs. aw, now they wouldnt do that. That would be lying.....I suppose next you'll tell me they skim cooking oil from the sewage gutter, filter it at small scale factories, and sell it to street food stalls....or even...gasp...pirate dvds without paying royalties to MGM!
It's a double edge, I picked up network splitters, USB splitters and such from those typical no names, when you pop them open and look how simple the PCB is set up, you need to question the larger companies and the backroom deals to keep something high for consumers. Stuff like this, never trust your livelihood with, definitely.
@ Okay, lets see how well you do using a foreign language that you have no or limited knowledge of; and on top of that, lets make that foreign language use an entirely different written system, as using a common alphabet isn't comparable from going from Chinese to English. You can't really complain about someone else's use of a language when you clearly don't fully understand the language itself, try teaching yourself some grammar, so you can actually look literate. Things such as capitalizing 'Chinese,' putting an apostrophe in 'can't,' maybe try adding a comma after 'dumb' as well, you might also want to add 'people' after 'Chinese.' Also, when using, "... craps," do you mean to use 'pieces of crap'? Not to mention the, "... fake...,' part of that statement is outright false, what makes them fake? They're an _alternative_ product; if they were fake they just wouldn't work, at all, like a dummy place holder. If you don't understand what an alternative product is, look at name brands and generic brands that offer the same product. Typical hypocritical, uneducated, racist scum, it seems, as you clearly don't know what grammar is, can't form a proper statement, use proper logic, have any kind of informed opinion, and you single out a specific people when the situation could happen to any foreign people. Please, keep your toxicity to yourself. Nobody wants to see your racist, hypocritical, uneducated, and uniformed opinions. If you feel the need to be racist, go seek help.
Thank you, we have a major hardware store chain called "Harbor Freight" that specializes in extremely cheap Chinese tools, perfect for getting a job or two done. Well, over the last few years, they now sell a high-end Chinese tool selection as well. Their top-tier items are equal to or better than the most trusted brand names (which are often made in China) but at a really attractive price-point.
@@samnass Very affordable, very reliable. I'm using them for 2-3 years now. Able to operate a vape, but it's a friend of mine using it, so have no control over them. He is satisfied with them. I'm powering my projects with them and even have a motion sensored night light which is running for 5 months now, expecting to drain in a month or two.
Thank you for doing this in depth comparison and explaining what the different ratings are & how they affect performance. You analysis matches my experience buying 18650's off of Wish. Their weight was the first thing I realized "you get what you pay for"
I’ve watched this video before and I can’t believe how much effort you go into making your videos. Very impressive indeed. Always looking forward to what you get up to next. Please keep the videos coming. Kindest Regards from Perth W.A. 🦘🇦🇺
Ikr ? This guy is dedicated to helping the "little guy"/consumer. Which, if you think about it, alot of companies don't even care about. They just want your $100-300 for a project and then you learn, if I had spent +$20-50 bucks on this other brand, it would last longer. Or if I had purchased this item, it would save your money. I'm surprised "consumer report" hasn't tried to buy his silence.
you don't take a random garbage brand batter in China and compare it with LG or Samsung... this is so biased. There are hundreds of decent brand batteries in China yet you choose one of the most low-quality ones...
This channel clearly does no research at all. A quick search on the website of UltraFire revealed thet the biggest 18650 battery they make is 3600mAh and weighs 93 grams. If he did any research he would know that, don't trust some random guy on TH-cam
Great comparison! I use Samsung 35E cells in my performance rechargeable flashlights, the runtime is pretty impressive! It would be cool to see you test some proprietary flashlight batteries from large names like Olight, Sofirn, Astrolux, etc. and see if they actually stand up to their claims! I test flashlights and would love to include this information in my reviews!
So you’re kinda saying that Chinese battery companies overrate their battery life by as much as 8 times? You could have knocked me over with a feather.
You're funny. "Buyer beware do some research". You are my research. Great job. I use quite a bit of these batteries and your information is so valuable. Looking forward to your videos often.
The reason he says do research is because there are a bunch of clones out there. You would need the manufactures spec. Trust me too I have been burned esp on Amazon and Ebay.
I used to think big brands charge us extra & cheap batteries are almost 80% as good. I surely was never into those 9000mAh ratings. Now I know what to buy (not that I'd buy it definitely).
But then camera batteries are SO much more expensive than the Chinese knockoffs. Even when some of my batteries die several months to a year later or just can't hold a charge, it's still worth the buy simply due to numbers unless you absolutely need reliability. I'm just a casual camera guy so in my last 13 years of shooting, buying the real deal battery at $60 versus $12 for a knockoff made a lot of sense from my experience.
the most important thing for these are max A and continuous A rating. its a quick way to have your batteries explode reliably pulling 35+ peak amps or 20+ continuous on anything not rated for it. if performance isn't a concern in the particular application sure mah/hr vs dollar comes into play but if performance DOES matter the 25+ amp batteries do matter.
you can tell them what to print and you tell them what quality you want to sell , dewalts, craftsman, ryiobi ,etc... they all come from china branded by a company prestige or not ... you get what you pay for is the name of the game , so you cheat yourself by going cheap !
The weights alone on the Chinese cells i think speaks volumes to their quality not only where they super light compared to the others but there was also a pretty significant weight difference between 2 of the supposed same cells. From your tests seems like the LG cells are really good quality and offer the most bang for the buck.
Don't give Chinese a hint; they will fill the batteries with lead then. They actually stuffed the seafood that was exported to Korea with lead already.
This guy is no farmer! He’s certainly a professional, and I think I have heard his voice somewhere else on television. He sure as hell puts out a good comparison no matter what he does. He gets my vote for an Emmy
@@ProjectFarm I love your testing content! It is super informing and entertaining. you should rebrand your channel to Testing farm and make your own projects on a second one. I would watch both. I would put an Abo on both to haha
Believe it or not, farmers can be quite good at this kinda stuff. One thing about farmers is that often times they have to simply make things work, in non-optimal conditions. Some can get quite creative because of that.
I have 20 18650 ultrafire and all of them around 600 mAH in reality, got them for very cheap so I can't complain :-) Thanks for the thorough review @Project Farm
You would know if they were protected. Protected 18650 cells have a clearly visible PCB on the bottom side under the wrapper with a strip of metal connecting up to the top. The off-brand cells that claim to have protection are flat-out lying.
Non of these cells have built in protection. That is normally built into the device. There are some batteries that have built in protection but they are also just a touch longer than these standard 18650 cells. Panasonic makes some nice cells with built in protection.
You don’t need to test this just check if a pcb is present. Then test if it works. Issue is even the ones that have pcb’s they are designed poorly and don’t cut off at the right points.
Well done. I tested my 18650s about 10 years ago and found all of my 1-2 year old *fires were ~100-200mAh. All advertised 5500+. Those were all tossed. I weighed those too, and noticed the lighter ones had less capacity. You sure went the extra mile on your testing, as usual. Much thorough :D Thanks.
With more and more people using these batteries, this information is absolutely invaluable. Todd, this is one of the most useful TH-cam videos I have EVER watched. Thank you for taking the time to do this experiment and for posting it for all to see. You've got my subscription!!!
It was so satisfying watching this video knowing that I had purchased Sony/Murata 18650's for my expensive "Toy" flashlight vs my utility/tool flashlights. I wanted some batteries that would last a long time even if it sat on the shelf as a novelty. I needed the high 35amp drain and true to claimed capacity. And I can say the Sony/Murata's have done exactly that. Fantastic Video, thank you so much for doing all these tests for us, the consumers so we can make well-informed buying decisions.
Thanks for the test results. Large or small, Li batteries made in China have fraudulent specification claims which are criminally unlawful in both China and USA.
@@anshadedavana This isn't duplication, it's just straight up fraud and pretty sure it's unlawful even in China. I wish their government would crack down on this stuff
Oh, my boy, If chinese brands lie about power on label just think how bad they lie about security and ambient protection. This was not a battery test, instead was a industrial culture comparison.
As a DIY EV enthusiast, this video is absolutely a must-watch. Thank you!! VTC and Samsung 25R are probably the best performance for eletric motorcycles - The discharge amps are SO important. 35E seems to be the best dollar for w/h though.
@@Slicerwizard no no no......china just has its own measurement system, the confusing part is they use the same unit names but not standards. yeeeaaaahhhh. thats it. its not a lie, you just forgot to do the unit conversion.
According to these results the Chinese brands should be banned from the market, as simple as that. The problem will not go away if companies import junk.
When a multi-billion populace has a saying, that comes off as a badge of honor "If you can cheat, then cheat!". That is a rather shitty culture to deal with. To be fair there are many chinese people who truly hate the assholes of their nation. But can do little about it as they are legion.
Actually, what's REALLY disgusting is how Musk, who SAYS Tesla makes their own batteries but actually buys them from PANASONIC, says he's getting the best batteries for under $1.70/cell. Even with a wholesale discount that's a total lie. Yet he reports to the world every quarter that he makes 20-30% margin per car, instead of being honest and admitting he's LOSING some $10k per car. That, and people are so desperately willing to believe him.
At 0:55 "Sheef-Life" great way to let you know not to buy that Battery At 3:37 High Rate "Dischanrge" on that Battery Nice At 4:05 "Enciromental Friendly" on that Battery Awesome At 4:53 "Shell Life" on that Battery just keeps getting Better
@B B Literacy includes reading comprehension, following the context of who is speaking in a conversation, and regardless of whether the original poster put extra typos in accidentally or purposefully, the ability to recognize sarcasm. Your assignment is to consider how these principles relate to your exchange in this comment thread.
When cheap Americans buy cheap made in China stuff Me: LOL they don't know China manufactures best batteries（Lithium iron phosphate） that they are the sole providers of BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and Volvo, Toyota are using Chinese batteries too but nobody complaints they are invented and made in China
@@zihaoliu605 "Um acktchyually China makes the best Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries" Shut up, nerd. There are manufacturers all over the world that make LiFePO4 batteries. Yes, most are made in China but so is most everything else we use daily- because it's dirt cheap. And just because they make the batteries for car companies doesnt make them the best. They are in those cars because they were the cheapest that they could get away with while still being Lithium Iron Phosphate. Go eat some more bat soup and create another plague before your supreme leader outlaws your ability to use the internet. USA 4ever
@@UncleDon226 Yes, Chinese made batteries are cheaper, simply b/c it has the most advanced factories, buying dirt cheap products from anywhere on earth comes with consequences, and you should know only poor buy cheap products, and they are the majority of your society, maybe before blaming China, you should consider why U.S. is heading to a direction of a shit hole country. I don't know how many cars you have but I do have 5, 2 in NY and 3 in Qingdao, and they are all mercedes amg and bmw suvs, I never saw anything related to maintenance batteries, but often made in Germany parts are failing, not to mention made in USA for past 60 years is a joke. For COVID-19, as a M.D. I can tell you it's originated in Fort Detrick, VA, where the first to third mutated strands are found, e-cig pneumonia have the exact symptoms as COVID-19 and some of your soldiers brings them to Wuhan b/c world military olympics. Ford aircraft carrier and many other nuclear submarines left US coast since November and isolated deep down the sea, and US denies WHO to enter US b/c they are trying to unveil where the COVID-19 strand A originated in US. Politics and Media are hoax, only scholars speak the truth.
@@zihaoliu605 30 points have been deposited into your social credits account. Good job Liu! No really, don't trust China, China is ashoe, Taiwan is the real China.
Thank you so much for patiently taking the time to put this complete comprehensive hands down best 18650 real world test / review that I found both educational and informative and learned how to choose the 18650 batteries carefully and not to just trust the outrageous claims that are just outright scams. Awesome review, keep up the great work. RESPECT ✊ Subbed👍
This channel is using a different way to demonize Chinese, westerners like to fabricate fake video to demonize China and finally fool people with no brain, it is disgusting, firstly, using the CHEAPEST China products to compare to the most branded non China product itself is ridiculous, secondly, the price of the China product mentioned in the video is more than 10 times cheaper in China than the price you mentioned in the video, so who you actually pay most of the price of the product to? The answer is THE IMPORTER AND MIDDLE MAN in your country. The real fact is CCP is already the current biggest high-tech entrepreneur and capitalist in the world, China contributes the most to the world and western countries grab the most with even inhuman measurements, it sounds ridiculous right? Use your brain to think further when you come across anything about China from westerners, western people are too jealous about the returning of the China power and tried very hard to fabricate fake videos, spread rumors to demonize China, shamelessness is continue until they destroy themselves with their inferior personality. Chai From Malaysia.
@@klchai7884 dude it's not possible to fit 9.8 Ah in a cell that normally fits 1/3 of that when they use the *exact same technology*. so naturally the only possibility is the company claiming 9.8 Ah is lying. obviously not every company is the same, but this company is lying.
As always i am very appreciative of the time you take to test stuff. It also saves many from buying fakes , especially so in the lithium ion battery arena!
Honestly I'm surprised by just how awful those cheap Chinese batteries were, I just feel awful for anyone who get duped into buying them. Completely misleading advertising.
I have like 10 of those ultrafire batteries (they come with alot of flashlights & lasers) and they kind of suck ass. EFest batteries are the best and most reliable in my opinion.
yes and no. consider I got mine for less then dollar per battery. at that price (with ultrafire flashlights) they make good truck/ house flashlights. my carry and work lights are all olights for the recorded though. (including batteries). so if you buy right they do have their place. Still pretty shoddy if you ask me. And with the current price of much better batteries I don't think that I will be buying anymore. but remember the prices quoted here are pretty recent. it was not that long ago that you were looking at 10 bucks per battery
sadly we didnt need this video to know Chinese batteries are relabeled rejects of the 3 major battery companies, BUT as you stated I'm glad to see our knowledge being posted😁
Project Farm I saw 18650s and was hoping to see the ones I use Golisi half the time I don’t need the information in these videos but they are always fun to watch
I saw 9000mah and went DBZ ITS OVER 9000!!!! And new it was wrong. I was really hoping to see some of the LG turds, or the old VTC4 or even 3... I still use a vtc 3 for low mech builds.
One of the reasons the reputable brands of batteries have a bit less power capacity than the absolute maximum, is to ensure safety by not going too thin on the internal elements. Samsung took a hard lesson on not exceeding what's safe to cram into a battery with the Note 7. I'd generally avoid any battery which has a higher capacity in the same space than their model. Should skin the chinese batteries and see if there's any other markings under the wrap. Re-skinning and selling used batteries as 'new' is very common in China. When the chinese "lithium ion" battery said "environmentally friendly" I spit out my lemonade...
Samsung actually didn't exceed what was safe - it was one of the battery manufacturers who didn't produce inside specs. Their battery was a little too large and therefore got punctured by a component or the case. This is why it didn't happen to all phones because the other manufacturer(s) did produce to spec and delivered the right size battery. Samsung should have noticed though, it's still their fault. But they didn't plan unrealistically, because the other battery manufacturer(s) were obviously able to deliver the right size of battery.
And btw the reputable brands just deliver whatever capacity they can realistically and safely produce. It's not like the China-"brands" ever actually deliver a higher capacity, safe or unsafe. They just write whatever numbers they like on the shrink wrap.
@@maximilianmustermann5763 Technically true, but after the incident, they backed away from pushing the limit of what could be safe for a battery. The replacement was down 200 mah, because it had healthier margins for error, to lean less on 'luck' with manufacturing inconsistencies.
Samsung 35E - 3500 mAh LG MJ1 - 3500 mAh Samsung 30Q - 3000 mAh Sony VTC6 - 3000 mAh LG HE4 - 2500 mAh Samsung 25R - 2500 mAh Sony VTC5A - 2500 mAh Panasonic
What a pleasure. Thank you for taking the time to provide us with a true and accurate test platform. It has certainly put my mind at ease choosing replacement 18650 batteries.
This channel is using a different way to demonize Chinese, westerners like to fabricate fake video to demonize China and finally fool people with no brain, it is disgusting, firstly, using the CHEAPEST China products to compare to the most branded non China product itself is ridiculous, secondly, the price of the China product mentioned in the video is more than 10 times cheaper in China than the price you mentioned in the video, so who you actually pay most of the price of the product to? The answer is THE IMPORTER AND MIDDLE MAN in your country. The real fact is CCP is already the current biggest high-tech entrepreneur and capitalist in the world, China contributes the most to the world and western countries grab the most with even inhuman measurements, it sounds ridiculous right? Use your brain to think further when you come across anything about China from westerners, western people are too jealous about the returning of the China power and tried very hard to fabricate fake videos, spread rumors to demonize China, shamelessness is continue until they destroy themselves with their inferior personality. Chai From Malaysia.
@@klchai7884 The Chinese companies that make good quality batteries should start selling them in other countries then. It is difficult to find them when the majority of stuff found in the west on Amazon and eBay are very low quality like this.
1- Chinese batteries die first, that what meant by "environmental friendly" 2- You will -very soon - toss them in a trash can & forget about them is what meant by "No memory effect " . Conclusion: All true no fraud. Great review btw.
I'm so stoked you actually did this I think I asked if you would do18650 cells ago when you did another battery one. thankyou so much for listening to your viewers and showing thing that actually help people ! Off to order a bunch of lg mj1 cells cheers !!
This is why I am surprised none of the big tool names (Milwaukee, DeWalt, Makita, ECT) use the Sony VTC5A cells. They have quite a lot of power and would make for great high performance packs without having to step up to 21700 cells. They all currently use the Samsung 25R which is decent but we are talking about the most expensive tool brands.
I love this channel.. Its extreme testing investigation, from oil to engine.. Now batteries Thanks to this, now i know what to buy.. Where you get those reliable batteries?
I watch your channel frequently. I had to smile when I saw your baby food jars on the shelf (and a few other types). When I was going through that part of my marriage my work bench was in the basement and the studs were within easy reach. I used to nail the covers to the bottom and then screw the jars into the covers. Very handy. Thanks for your interesting topics
Battery mooch did testing on most of these batteries, and they line up with your testing. I run the vtc5a in my ecig for high draw, it's a fantastic battery.
First off excellent video! A general rule of thumb is, the fancier the battery wrap, the worse the battery is. There is no 18650 with a capacity of higher than 3500mah. The higher the capacity, the lower the current rating. NEVER buy a battery from Ebay. As he has proved in this video, all 18650's are not created equal.
Simple rule 1 - buy Samsung, LG or Panasonic. Simple rule 2 - buy from a reputable source. Of course, there's more to things than these two rules, but if you do follow these two rules and it is hard to go wrong. I was tempted to add Simple rule 3 - don't buy any battery rated 3600 mah or higher, but that rule is actually redundant. If you follow the first two simple rules, you won't need Simple rule 3.
I have a 10 year old LG phone that I don't use anymore, I turned it on and the battery is still good on it compared to my iphone or anything rechargeable from duracell and engergizer. Very impressive!
All standard lithium ion cells are based on cobalt instead of cadmium, which is considered safe (you can incinerate it with few problems). Unfortunately it is mined by enslaved kids in the Congo. Enjoy your cheap Chinese phone!
This channel is using a different way to demonize Chinese, westerners like to fabricate fake video to demonize China and finally fool people with no brain, it is disgusting, firstly, using the CHEAPEST China products to compare to the most branded non China product itself is ridiculous, secondly, the price of the China product mentioned in the video is more than 10 times cheaper in China than the price you mentioned in the video, so who you actually pay most of the price of the product to? The answer is THE IMPORTER AND MIDDLE MAN in your country. The real fact is CCP is already the current biggest high-tech entrepreneur and capitalist in the world, China contributes the most to the world and western countries grab the most with even inhuman measurements, it sounds ridiculous right? Use your brain to think further when you come across anything about China from westerners, western people are too jealous about the returning of the China power and tried very hard to fabricate fake videos, spread rumors to demonize China, shamelessness is continue until they destroy themselves with their inferior personality. Chai From Malaysia.
I was about to rebuild the Greenworks 80v battery pack. After watching this video, I don't want to waste my time with Chinese cells. I don't know how you can made a video with so much details information in just under 15min. without biting your tongue 😀 Thank you so much for making this video
They're not typos. They're misspellings by people who (barely) speak English as a second language. Lots of people who learn a second language don't learn to spell in that language. They likely genuinely think that's how the word is pronounced and spelled.
@@billybobjoe198 They're made by people who literally do not know the language. They're working off a translation to know what the foreign glyphs mean, but they don't know the difference between an l or an f. They're just copying images. Western tattoo artists do the same thing when copying Chinese characters. They might have some random guide saying what the characters mean, but they don't know how to create them properly. (Or worst case they have some gibberish guide that doesn't even make proper characters at all)
@@georgeleong1572 it would still be usefull to have the data in a spreadsheet. It could also be used to see if there is a connection between the weight and mA
Use your smartphone to take a screenshot and quit being whiny after this man went through all this effort to give you all the data you needed for free....
Stop being lazy. He gave you the data, spending his time and money on this video. The least you could do is say thanks and put it in your own spreadsheet. No offense, I hate people like you. This guy spent a hell of a lot of time to get this data for you....FREE.... Then you have the nerve to complain you want more....
You have the most thorough, scientifically controlled and impartial product reviews available, period. Another amazing review! I look forward to more content.
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better test how long they last before taking a leak?
There are variety of choices in 18650 battery made in china. The 18650 is not a consumer standard, the channel that reaches consumer is chaos and mostly illegal (some are disqualified waste from factory, some are disassembly from electric waste). The reliable way to get those is to place order in batches to qualified factory or get them from disassembling qulaity yet cheap power bank like XiaoMi.
I think you may need to turn comments Off, the conspiracy theorists are going off on it 😂🤣
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@@suttikhoeisanit4632 I can't read Sanscrit 😂
This dude provides more of a service than all of congress put together.
I mean.....that's kind of a low bar...
😂😂😂 true.
That's awfully faint praise...
Holy shit
I totally agree. We all need to remember how much they are doing for us in future elections
If Ultrafire was selling a car:
- it flies, no fuel required, V12 engine, all wheels have electric motor, it can dive into the sea, can reach supersonic speeds, no spare parts necessary...
Daum people, please be careful about these little things, they hold great amount of energy and Chinese makers are really dishonest.
with high *sheef* life
John Doe If the sheef life is only 10 years the shelf life must be 1000.
Thanks for the feedback.
made in USA! no, not the U.S.A., USA, China
Make great virus' though. And import is free.
I watch a LOT of TH-cam stuff and your testing regimen(s) are, far and away, the absolute best. Consumer Reports could learn from you.
Thanks so much!
I agree!
you should publish your PROJECT FARM REPORTS. love from india.
@@ProjectFarm I say the same...I see other videos and they only test bad battery and if they test others r good battery they don"t have idea how to do it.
This channel is using a different way to demonize Chinese, westerners like to fabricate fake video to demonize China and finally fool people with no brain, it is disgusting, firstly, using the CHEAPEST China products to compare to the most branded non China product itself is ridiculous, secondly, the price of the China product mentioned in the video is more than 10 times cheaper in China than the price you mentioned in the video, so who you actually pay most of the price of the product to? The answer is THE IMPORTER AND MIDDLE MAN in your country. The real fact is CCP is already the current biggest high-tech entrepreneur and capitalist in the world, China contributes the most to the world and western countries grab the most with even inhuman measurements, it sounds ridiculous right? Use your brain to think further when you come across anything about China from westerners, western people are too jealous about the returning of the China power and tried very hard to fabricate fake videos, spread rumors to demonize China, shamelessness is continue until they destroy themselves with their inferior personality. Chai From Malaysia.
Two years after this video is made and its still providing a benefit to humanity. Words cannot describe how grateful I am of your work! Shopping for nebulous items like these have been made so much easier because of you.
Thanks so much!
YES
@@TaigiTWeseFormosanDiplomat THREE years and counting. Not sure if these models (I can't think of a better word) are still available, but even so...
let's take a minute of silence for the quality of the work performed and the quality of the tests.
A simple "thank you" is not enough 👏
Thanks!
@@ProjectFarm Silence!
Deserved but I hold "silent" moments or prayer do little as God spoke all things into existence....out loud and that's how we should pray, even in private... IMO.
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Kudos 👏
So at three times the capacity and about one third the endurance we can conclude that one chinese hour is just 7 minutes long.
Thanks for the feedback.
Thats hilarious!
hahaha.
They do have a weird calendar I hear...lol
that's what she said
dog hours
I love that you don’t take 5 minutes of content and turn it into a 15 minute video. You keep it moving, and get to the point. Great job!! And I don’t even use these batteries.
He takes like 4+ hours of content and condenses it down to 15 minutes filtering out all the crap. No bull crap here, just pure project farm science. I truly look forward to the day when he gets an approval license to put on products. Project farm approved is the future.
yes you do :)
@@DiavolO18 he could walk into home depot or Walmart with a roll of project farm approved stickers and start sticking them on products he approves of and I bet sales would go up a bit. If I walked in to home depot to get another cordless drill and saw his sticker on one, I wouldn't look at the price or the competition. I would simply grab it and go knowing it's good enough to pass his tests. That would also save a lot of time shopping too. That would easily shave off 20 minutes of my normal home depot or lowes trips.
@@TheSlimCognito Just grab MAKITA! THE BEST FOR RANGE. I'VE STILL GOT MAKITA TOOLS 38 YEARS OLD. THEY WORK LIKE NEW. ALL THEIR NEWER STUFF IS STILL TOPS TOO
Thank you very much!!
I recently was inspired to do my own tests. I found the same results. The Japanese batteries were 10 years old, salvaged from old laptops. After two weeks of testing, they all tested the same and within 80%+ of their stated capacity. The newer Chinese batteries gave me as little as 10% of the rated capacity.
Thanks for sharing.
True
I'm using an EFest 18650 battery in my vape mod which works fine, lasts me about a day of normal vaping using a 0.6 Ohm load. Tried several different Samsung blue and green batteries and they weren't any better. It depends on the application, including load and amperage draw.
When lying has no consequences.
Bird's Eye summary:
The best of the Chinese batteries were less than *half* as good as the worst of the Korean and Japanese batteries.
The Chinese claim of 9800mAh is not simply inaccurate; it's fraud.
There are no surprises here.
The best channel for getting real world product testing and reviews!
Thank you very much for the positive feedback!
IKR! The first time I got in this channel, I feel iI have been blessed by this beautiful man. Saves me a lot of trouble form these scammer companies!
@@celhpwns That is because you already had a prepossessed
opinion on Chinese products and having someone confirm that feels good.
Everyone knows that the biggest capacity in an 18650 battery is around 3600mAh, so he knew he was testing a fake (counterfeit) UltraFire battery, even a quick look at the UlraFire web-sire revealed that the biggest 18650 they make is 3600mAh.
This whole test is just a scam
@@ZZtop-gg3lu cool story bro.
Less than a minute in and already really impressed, How on earth did you manage to say 9800mAh for the UltraFire without laughing your ass off
Well, his voice did changed.
Hahhahahaaa
10 Ah in a battery that small?
What witchcraft is this?
Only a solid state lithium ion battery can ever dream of getting close to that.
@tl6gc tl6gc
not accidently...
deliberately
@@unf3z4nt you could also use a plasma cell or argent energy storage or any other science fiction power source that doesn't exist
AA sized 9.8Ah batteries? Damn, Chinese can do all sort of high tech magic, just with lies in their dreams. Reality is more like 1-1.6 Ah.
The no memory effect means you cant remember why the hell you bought them 😂
lol
👏👏👏🤣🤣🤣
@Terry Melvin paid 1/2 price, got 1/10 the battery...
@urbansnipe
_"The no memory effect means you cant remember why the hell you bought them"_
That is hilarious, excellent twist.
I'm trying to forget why I bought mine. Cus I'm an idiot
I've been researching 18650's for hours! I should've come here first. You're the best!
Thanks!
The fact that PF replies to nearly everyone on his channel just shows how nice and humble this guy is 😀😀
At this point he must spend so much time replying, I'm worried about him
Jinx your it!
Thanks for watching!
I think he realizes most of us a regular guys like him and we appreciate what he is doing is awesome!
@@trjb1767 absolutely. He puts so much effort and thought on every single video. It's just worth every second of the viewing time.
With the current chemistry available for making 18650 batteries, and its volume, none will have more then 3500mAh. Anything claiming more then that is false, until a better chemistry comes around.
Yes, you are right! Great point! I hope this video helps many viewers avoid the 18650 battery scam.
Ahhh, ancient Chinese secret
Just like the 1/10 amp LED flashlights that have "15,000 lumens" 😆
@@r.h.5052 Apparently the "Ancient Chinese Secret" has been exposed after all these eons: Lie about everything, all the time.
@@dasworkshop4967 yeah bcs they know only 10 in 1000 ppl will complain and they refund a few $ but make a ton of profit. their business model is all about acceptable liability
Maybe the chinese brands forgot to add a dot. It should not mean 9800mAh, but 980.0mAh ;)
I've seen so many from efest and other Chinese brand, claiming monstrous capacity and skyrocketing amperage.
The only things those battery are good for it's blow your hand off when you use them.
When they advertise a capacity 3 times the best cells on the market, I guess that's their way of telling you it's BS right from the start. But impressive sheef-life, eh?
@@BixbyConsequence yeah, and also you can feel the difference in weight right away, i've seen cells weight as much as 20 grams.
@ yeah i mean, it was kinda obvious
@ you are right but at the same time the only buying this type of cells are really the ones who don't know what they are doing.
Sad fact is that there will always be a load of those kind of ppl.
Years ago I tested an Ultrafire 9800 that came with a cheap flashlight.
It turned out to have about 240mAh, and you could almost let it hover in the air, it was so light😁
Beware of ultrafire..🤣
The name is a clue...your money goes up in smoke.
@@exgenica There a ton of fakes, the originals don't have a great reputation either, but the fakes with transparently obviously overstated capacities are all but certain to be worse.
The amount of thought, care, and passion that goes into these videos is astonishing. Thank you, for all you do.
Glad you enjoy it!
Totally agreed with WilliamA93's comments :)
I'll agree also and give my 👍 👍 👍
I agree with Williams
This channel is using a different way to demonize Chinese, westerners like to fabricate fake video to demonize China and finally fool people with no brain, it is disgusting, firstly, using the CHEAPEST China products to compare to the most branded non China product itself is ridiculous, secondly, the price of the China product mentioned in the video is more than 10 times cheaper in China than the price you mentioned in the video, so who you actually pay most of the price of the product to? The answer is THE IMPORTER AND MIDDLE MAN in your country. The real fact is CCP is already the current biggest high-tech entrepreneur and capitalist in the world, China contributes the most to the world and western countries grab the most with even inhuman measurements, it sounds ridiculous right? Use your brain to think further when you come across anything about China from westerners, western people are too jealous about the returning of the China power and tried very hard to fabricate fake videos, spread rumors to demonize China, shamelessness is continue until they destroy themselves with their inferior personality. Chai From Malaysia.
funny to see how the cheaper brands misspelled "shelf life"
0:58 - ultrafire "sheef-life"
4:05 - castnoo "sheef-life"
4:55 - bxe "shell life"
unsurprisingly, these brands also added an extra digit to their mAh ratings from around 900 to 9000.
Thanks for watching.
How about the "Encironmental Friendly" at 4:08? LOL
Check out the site 'Engrish -dot - com'
@Nothing Noone True, the same Chinese factory.
@Nothing Noone If it's made in China it's not likely to be what the label states.
Wrong spelling is a good indicator to stay away from a product.
One thing I noticed, the error seems to have a pattern. Those different brands could be manufactured by just one company. It was just re-branded.
Great vid keeping us entertained while we are going thru a lockdown.
Keep safe guys.
Great point. Thank you
You would think it would be worth their time to pay someone that speaks English to proofread their stuff before making a fool out of themselves with printing. Nothing says unprofessional like 3rd-grade spelling.
Take the battery wraps off and see what they really are.
@@Juantontiki maybe compare it with the good ones also. It would be a waste but educational to all of us.
You are the fastest I've ever seen. you present the facts, and don't fiddle around with un-needed details. You present your research findings and nothing more, with a dash of humor between the lines. Your channel is my absolute favorite. Before I purchase anything I'm unfamiliar with, I always consult with you. Thank you PF, keep up the absolutely awesome work. I would love to be able to do what you do. If you ever need a sidekick or assistant, for testings, I'm volunteering. Please continue. We need you. P.S. I appreciate your honesty most of all.
Thanks so much!
I think the Chinese batteries have typos, they added an extra "0"
Thanks for the feedback.
haha typical chinese products, all bluff and no substance
@@TheGregstorm The real red flag is when you cannot find the production country, because they know people will not buy when they see "Made in China"
No they just lie.we found that out in the last few weeks
They also misspelled shelf... "sheef" and "shell"
Its the same story with China made inverters. I recently bought what was advertised as a 2000w pure sine wave, but it was digitally induced sine and produced about 200w continuous and 300w peak. Whatever it states, divide by 10!
China makes crap and lies. What else is new??
Lmfao the divide by 10 part got me
Always a gamble, odds heavily against consumers
That may not be enough of a factor.
Or just don't buy the cheapest shit you can find and look for reviews....
is it just me or I don't particularly want to see "fire" on a battery
"These new batteries are FIRE!"
Sook! Carrying your racist hatred of the Chinese a bit far..... yes?
Love a battery with a good SHEEF life that’s also ENCIRONMENTAL friendly.
And if you checked, ALL the Chinese ones had basically the same spelling mistakes (exept one, which had it as SHELL life)
I bet they come from the same factory@@riaanlouw1874
Can you test the 2 stroke oil from Amsoil. They claim that you can use their product with ratios up to 100 to 1 which is a bit hard to believe.
Great test idea! I'll check back later to see how many thumbs up this one gets for a future video. I'll definitely do it if there's enough interest.
@@ProjectFarm do it lol
It's kinda test especially for @Project Farm :) would love to see that in the future.
I’d like to see this as well, I work for a small business that sells Amsoil products and it would be cool to see.
@Eat Jat You're full of crap.
I think this is the best channel on TH-cam for reviews and testing: realistic use-case testing, no bullsh*t, staying objective at all times.
Your reviews are underrated.
Thank you very much!!
Hear, hear.
I concur.
I would like a hammer test on these. I work in electronics recycling and these 18650 batteries starts like 99% of fires at our factory. I would like to know if some are more prone to bursting in to flames when mangled than others or if it is just dependent on their charge state.
If you do test it, do it outside on a windy day, the smoke is definitely not good for you. Also, don't use water to put it out or have a source of it nearby, it not only worsens the fire but it also creates more of the very poisonous hydrogen fluoride gas that is generated by the burning of lithium hexafluorophosphate.
@@Ormagoden94 What? The batteries in vape pens are usually lithium polymer, they aren't nearly as bad as 18650. Also, did they get killed by poisoning? There's no way the explosion from a small lithium polymer battery could kill someone unless they held it pressed right next to an artery or something.
Or was there a time and place that 18650 was common in vape pens? Those would be a serious hazard and I could see that being able to kill someone.
@@skitidet4302 There are a lot of bigger vape machines that use 2x 18650 batteries. You need those if you want to do up to 200 W sub-ohm vaping (meaning the coil has as little as 0.1 ohm resistance). They are more fun than the pens because they can produce a huge amount of vapor, but they fell a little out of favor because only massive douchebags used them in public spaces. They can basically be turned into fog generators with the right liquid.
On the other hand, these are not a danger at all if you buy good 18650 cells like the Murata (former Sony) VTC5 or VTC6 and if you are a little careful with the cells. Put some additional shrink-wrap over them to prevent exposed metal, only transport them in silicon "socks" or battery boxes, and only use good, reliable charging devices.
I've been using them at home for many years and never had a problem nor have I ever been worried. I mean, I used to do some rc model drone flying. Those high-amp drone LiPos can give you the creeps. But brand-name high-quality 18650s? No, they're fine. (I never crush them or hit them with hammers)
@@maximilianmustermann5763 Thanks for the info. I don't think I've seen one of those, or if I have, I didn't recognize it as vaping equipment.
@@skitidet4302 A loud 'k-pow' from daughter's workbench.
Me: "Arrrrrghh!!!" (now face down in plate of spaghetti)
Medic: "Set biphasic defib to 200 joules. CLEAR!"
Anonymous: Playing taps with bugle.
(...an _"or something"_)
@@exgenica cool story bro..
Thanks for this content. The fraudlent marketing of those high capacity China-batteries is shocking. Good to hear the standard reputable brands (Panasonic, Sanyo, Samsung, LG, Sony) are still providing batteries that pretty much meet their specs.
You are welcome! Thanks for the feedback.
Not shocking at all to me. One friend of me told me main difference between Japan and China is in Japan 98% of businesses really want to make a fair deal not even thinking about any scam rest are either unintentional or intentional frauds. In China 99% of businesses are trying to exploit you or scam you (I'm not saying you cannot make a good deal but you'll have to have really thorough QC).
@@ProjectFarm You really should have included Molicel though (E-One Moli Energy Corp, Taiwan) with 0ver 40 years experience in battery technology - currently the best on the market, as tested by Battery Mooch, licenced electrical engineer and consultant on energy storage characterisation to power suppliers, broadcasters, and the US Army, among other clients.
I'm sure Molicel would be happy to supply a set of each of their high current and high capacity cells in each major format for testing.
The off brand batteries are generally batteries bought from major producers that couldn't make the cut so they will generally always never match their specs even if they seem reasonable
@Huo Yeh Damn, to think of the money I wasted on the 24 Molicel P28A batteries that I currently have in use, with their 2,800 mAh capacity and 25A continuous discharge rate, identical to the 8 lower capacity P26A 2,600mAh I still have, or the two Molicel M35As that I use in less power-hungry devices because they can only deliver 10A continuous, but have a 3,500mAh capacity- you know, the ones made in the country in which the temporarily exiled Republic of China government still holds power while the rest of their rightful territory on the mainland is occupied by the CCP genocidal terrorists.
Those made under the CCP are bound to have fraudulent markings because they can't help lying about anything. They even deny the genocides they commit in full view of even privately-owned satellites, so to ask if they also lie about battery capabilities is like asking if fleas bite - of course they do, it is in their nature.
i have never received so much info in 15 min. good work
Thank you very much!
This really is a prime example of "too good to be true".
Like, if enormous conglomerates such as Samsung, LG or Panasonic can't go much beyond 3Ah...
...there is a conspiracy to stop them, and only the courageous Chinese manufacturers will stand up for us?
@@ChadDidNothingWrong LOL putting a 9,999mAh battery with actual of 1200+ mAh? more of deception rather than courageous.
@@animeQs. aw, now they wouldnt do that. That would be lying.....I suppose next you'll tell me they skim cooking oil from the sewage gutter, filter it at small scale factories, and sell it to street food stalls....or even...gasp...pirate dvds without paying royalties to MGM!
@@ChadDidNothingWrong oh you don't know? they really are selling pirated dvds you're really ignorant after all.LMAO
It's a double edge, I picked up network splitters, USB splitters and such from those typical no names, when you pop them open and look how simple the PCB is set up, you need to question the larger companies and the backroom deals to keep something high for consumers. Stuff like this, never trust your livelihood with, definitely.
Lol, the last rechargeable battery I'd want is one with "fire" in the name.
Anybody want some dead batteries?
I mean they are free of charge!
lol. Nice!
I’m going to steal this line :)
Ha! You win the internet for the day sir
@@nestormoctezuma4695 Then you're going to be charged with assault and battery!
I see what you did there. lol
4:07 Sheef life of 10 years. Encironmentally friendly. Seems legit.
Thanks for the feedback.
No, it says "Encironmental Friendly." lol.
@ Okay, lets see how well you do using a foreign language that you have no or limited knowledge of; and on top of that, lets make that foreign language use an entirely different written system, as using a common alphabet isn't comparable from going from Chinese to English. You can't really complain about someone else's use of a language when you clearly don't fully understand the language itself, try teaching yourself some grammar, so you can actually look literate. Things such as capitalizing 'Chinese,' putting an apostrophe in 'can't,' maybe try adding a comma after 'dumb' as well, you might also want to add 'people' after 'Chinese.' Also, when using, "... craps," do you mean to use 'pieces of crap'? Not to mention the, "... fake...,' part of that statement is outright false, what makes them fake? They're an _alternative_ product; if they were fake they just wouldn't work, at all, like a dummy place holder. If you don't understand what an alternative product is, look at name brands and generic brands that offer the same product. Typical hypocritical, uneducated, racist scum, it seems, as you clearly don't know what grammar is, can't form a proper statement, use proper logic, have any kind of informed opinion, and you single out a specific people when the situation could happen to any foreign people.
Please, keep your toxicity to yourself. Nobody wants to see your racist, hypocritical, uneducated, and uniformed opinions. If you feel the need to be racist, go seek help.
One of them said Shell Life. Shell game.
@@billkaroly Well it's right, life is just as rigged as a conman on the side of the streets shell game.
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As a Chinese person, I have to say this is so true. In China, a moderately priced product is usually good value for money, but never buy the cheapest.
Thanks for the feedback.
@@ProjectFarm try liitokala , they make good batteries
Thank you, we have a major hardware store chain called "Harbor Freight" that specializes in extremely cheap Chinese tools, perfect for getting a job or two done. Well, over the last few years, they now sell a high-end Chinese tool selection as well. Their top-tier items are equal to or better than the most trusted brand names (which are often made in China) but at a really attractive price-point.
how r u using youtube
@@samnass Very affordable, very reliable. I'm using them for 2-3 years now. Able to operate a vape, but it's a friend of mine using it, so have no control over them. He is satisfied with them. I'm powering my projects with them and even have a motion sensored night light which is running for 5 months now, expecting to drain in a month or two.
Thank you for doing this in depth comparison and explaining what the different ratings are & how they affect performance. You analysis matches my experience buying 18650's off of Wish. Their weight was the first thing I realized "you get what you pay for"
Thank you!
4:07 - It's written "Sheef life" and "Encironmental friendly" , That alone makes me doubt the capabilities of this battery. :D
Thanks for the feedback.
Insane that something like that can be sold.
Well, in order to make a battery with an impossible capacity at an incredible price, they had to shave a corner on spelling and grammar.
I’ve watched this video before and I can’t believe how much effort you go into making your videos. Very impressive indeed. Always looking forward to what you get up to next. Please keep the videos coming. Kindest Regards from Perth W.A. 🦘🇦🇺
Thanks, will do!
Ikr ? This guy is dedicated to helping the "little guy"/consumer. Which, if you think about it, alot of companies don't even care about. They just want your $100-300 for a project and then you learn, if I had spent +$20-50 bucks on this other brand, it would last longer. Or if I had purchased this item, it would save your money. I'm surprised "consumer report" hasn't tried to buy his silence.
P-town represent
Packs in the relevant info, no wasted time. Perfect.
"Do your research" -- this channel *is* my research. :-)
Every time!
Chip Atkinson exactly right bro I’d believe him over these others
usually these kinds of comments are worrying... but after watching the whole video, i totally agree
you don't take a random garbage brand batter in China and compare it with LG or Samsung... this is so biased. There are hundreds of decent brand batteries in China yet you choose one of the most low-quality ones...
This channel clearly does no research at all. A quick search on the website of UltraFire revealed thet the biggest 18650 battery they make is 3600mAh and weighs 93 grams.
If he did any research he would know that, don't trust some random guy on TH-cam
Great comparison! I use Samsung 35E cells in my performance rechargeable flashlights, the runtime is pretty impressive! It would be cool to see you test some proprietary flashlight batteries from large names like Olight, Sofirn, Astrolux, etc. and see if they actually stand up to their claims! I test flashlights and would love to include this information in my reviews!
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
So you’re kinda saying that Chinese battery companies overrate their battery life by as much as 8 times? You could have knocked me over with a feather.
Its a wonder noone sued them yet.
@@crimsonsnow5888 nothing would happen they are protected by the CCP
@@Alexander_l322 ahh right. But we live to do buisiness with them.... thats so sad
@@Alexander_l322 Community College of Philadelphia? haha.
@@martindeloach9905 haha it’s the Chinese Communist Party
You're funny. "Buyer beware do some research". You are my research. Great job. I use quite a bit of these batteries and your information is so valuable. Looking forward to your videos often.
Thank you!
The reason he says do research is because there are a bunch of clones out there. You would need the manufactures spec. Trust me too I have been burned esp on Amazon and Ebay.
@William Lloyd-Roberts LOL we sure do.
"with a name like UltraFire I'll definitely be keeping an eye on the battery" lol...
Guaranteed FIRE
I find watching fires relaxing, too. Wait!! Not in my workshop!! Ahh!!
You mean the name is suggestive of it's qualities and behaviors, right? Lol
Perfect for when you are in antártica and you need to make a campfire
Fake china. Fack china!
This guy is a beast! I just discovered this channel. Now a subscriber.
Thanks for watching and subscribing!
I used to think big brands charge us extra & cheap batteries are almost 80% as good.
I surely was never into those 9000mAh ratings. Now I know what to buy (not that I'd buy it definitely).
Thanks for the feedback.
But then camera batteries are SO much more expensive than the Chinese knockoffs. Even when some of my batteries die several months to a year later or just can't hold a charge, it's still worth the buy simply due to numbers unless you absolutely need reliability. I'm just a casual camera guy so in my last 13 years of shooting, buying the real deal battery at $60 versus $12 for a knockoff made a lot of sense from my experience.
@@williamlee7782 Yes it totally makes sense when we aren't a regular user. They are just fine for the price. Both have their advantages.
the most important thing for these are max A and continuous A rating. its a quick way to have your batteries explode reliably pulling 35+ peak amps or 20+ continuous on anything not rated for it.
if performance isn't a concern in the particular application sure mah/hr vs dollar comes into play but if performance DOES matter the 25+ amp batteries do matter.
this was a review of 18650 batteries not sealed battery packs.
"Sheef life" "Encironmentally freindly" "Shell life" lol
It's like they don't even try.
@@FakeJeep they don't
@@stevenkendzierski9333 300 Chinamen died in hilariously negligent accidents to bring you those batteries.
Google translate
Chinglish.
My: I want some Li-Ion batteries.
China: Tell me what to print on them.
@@samueladitya303 Does not mater, same result, same source.
you can tell them what to print and you tell them what quality you want to sell , dewalts, craftsman, ryiobi ,etc... they all come from china branded by a company prestige or not ... you get what you pay for is the name of the game , so you cheat yourself by going cheap !
@@rondoanderson it just tell its color. this statement is 100% truth.
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lol
The weights alone on the Chinese cells i think speaks volumes to their quality not only where they super light compared to the others but there was also a pretty significant weight difference between 2 of the supposed same cells. From your tests seems like the LG cells are really good quality and offer the most bang for the buck.
Thanks for the feedback.
Don't give Chinese a hint; they will fill the batteries with lead then. They actually stuffed the seafood that was exported to Korea with lead already.
0:57 UltraFire: "SHEEF-life around 10 years." 0:57
4:08 Castnoo "SHEEF life around 10 years, ENCIRONMENTAL friendly"
lol
I was about to post this exact thing! Crazy!
Also one has a shell life
* legally not binding
@@ThriftyToolShed Me too
Sheef life 10 years.
Shell life 10 years.
At least get the spelling correct on the battery....
lol. Great point!
@@ProjectFarm Close enough. like Taryl says, 'It ain't the space shuttle'!
Like the CASTNOO said "encironmental friendly". No Y & oops on the v
Misspelling probably helps protect them from legal obligations.
Glad I wasn’t the only one that noticed that
Your test was EXCELLENT. 10/10
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I second that. Amazing detail. To the point. I’m a subscriber now. Thanks!
For real though. The exact information I was needing. This channel is about the most informative on TH-cam.
Thanks so much!
This guy is no farmer! He’s certainly a professional, and I think I have heard his voice somewhere else on television. He sure as hell puts out a good comparison no matter what he does. He gets my vote for an Emmy
Thank you!
@@ProjectFarm I love your testing content! It is super informing and entertaining. you should rebrand your channel to Testing farm and make your own projects on a second one. I would watch both. I would put an Abo on both to haha
@DELAWAREBOWHUNTER Why are putting down Farmers? Farmers need to deal a multitude of problems with equipment.
@@A-FrameWedge Shhhh... Dont tell them the secret ;)
Believe it or not, farmers can be quite good at this kinda stuff.
One thing about farmers is that often times they have to simply make things work, in non-optimal conditions. Some can get quite creative because of that.
Talk about a group of companies that need to be prosecuted....
Who's going to do it......
..nobody
I have 20 18650 ultrafire and all of them around 600 mAH in reality, got them for very cheap so I can't complain :-) Thanks for the thorough review @Project Farm
Hey man. I know this is an old video, but I appreciate what you do. Thanks.
Thanks!
Might be interesting to test them all for that overvoltage and other protections they supposedly have...... also fireworks!
Thanks for the feedback.
You would know if they were protected. Protected 18650 cells have a clearly visible PCB on the bottom side under the wrapper with a strip of metal connecting up to the top. The off-brand cells that claim to have protection are flat-out lying.
Well, before you test the chinese batteries for over-current protection ...
You might want to perform a "Chinese Fire Drill". 😆
Non of these cells have built in protection. That is normally built into the device. There are some batteries that have built in protection but they are also just a touch longer than these standard 18650 cells. Panasonic makes some nice cells with built in protection.
You don’t need to test this just check if a pcb is present. Then test if it works. Issue is even the ones that have pcb’s they are designed poorly and don’t cut off at the right points.
Well done. I tested my 18650s about 10 years ago and found all of my 1-2 year old *fires were ~100-200mAh. All advertised 5500+. Those were all tossed. I weighed those too, and noticed the lighter ones had less capacity. You sure went the extra mile on your testing, as usual. Much thorough :D Thanks.
With more and more people using these batteries, this information is absolutely invaluable. Todd, this is one of the most useful TH-cam videos I have EVER watched. Thank you for taking the time to do this experiment and for posting it for all to see. You've got my subscription!!!
Thanks! Thanks for watching and subscribing!
@@ProjectFarm You're a legend for still replying after all this time!
Thank you for the great content!
It was so satisfying watching this video knowing that I had purchased Sony/Murata 18650's for my expensive "Toy" flashlight vs my utility/tool flashlights. I wanted some batteries that would last a long time even if it sat on the shelf as a novelty. I needed the high 35amp drain and true to claimed capacity. And I can say the Sony/Murata's have done exactly that.
Fantastic Video, thank you so much for doing all these tests for us, the consumers so we can make well-informed buying decisions.
Thanks and you are welcome!
Thanks for the test results. Large or small, Li batteries made in China have fraudulent specification claims which are criminally unlawful in both China and USA.
Unlawful in China? Depends who your uncle is.
But it said environmentally friendly.
You don't get it. It is GREEN.
@@anshadedavana This isn't duplication, it's just straight up fraud and pretty sure it's unlawful even in China. I wish their government would crack down on this stuff
@@lexidecimal9941 i'm sure it's even hoax for saying that, knowing china, eh!
It keeps baffling me with just how much "marketing" Chinese manufacturers get away with. Thanks for this video!
Not even marketing at this point, more like fraud.
It's not marketing it's just lying.
It's Chinese brand, it's in their blood. If they make a honest, normal marketing stuff, we probably even more suspicious.
@Yulei Huang we got marketing Chinese over here!
eBay and Amazon bypass any accountability. They sell direct from China.
Oh, my boy, If chinese brands lie about power on label just think how bad they lie about security and ambient protection. This was not a battery test, instead was a industrial culture comparison.
Chinese copies of Chinese products. He just bought some fake ULTRAFire batteries from eBay. th-cam.com/video/ko25nYDAJvg/w-d-xo.html
@@sean68777 Cool, thanks for spreading good information :)
Remember all the hoverboards catching fire... made in China and fake certification labels... shocking, isn’t it (NOT)
its only a comparison if he used good quality chinese batteries instead of only using the cheapest knockoffs
The truth; A lot of catching up still for the Chinese to be even near the position of Japanese & S Korean designer/manufacturer
As a DIY EV enthusiast, this video is absolutely a must-watch. Thank you!! VTC and Samsung 25R are probably the best performance for eletric motorcycles - The discharge amps are SO important. 35E seems to be the best dollar for w/h though.
You are welcome!
I think that with current Li chemistry, it’s not even possible to get anywhere near 9000mAH in an 18650 cell.
I think 3500 to 3600 is max for 18650 .
The 21700 are 5100 mah is what im impressed with acebeam makes those
Of course it isn't. The printed specs are straight up lies.
@@Slicerwizard no no no......china just has its own measurement system, the confusing part is they use the same unit names but not standards. yeeeaaaahhhh. thats it. its not a lie, you just forgot to do the unit conversion.
Thanks for the feedback.
@@chip_stack are those around the same size as the 18650? I am looking to replace some in a few power tools etc. also what's their am draw rated for?
According to these results the Chinese brands should be banned from the market, as simple as that. The problem will not go away if companies import junk.
Good point. False and fraudulent advertising on their batteries.
china should be banned from the market as a whole
Those brand a fire hazard
When a multi-billion populace has a saying, that comes off as a badge of honor "If you can cheat, then cheat!". That is a rather shitty culture to deal with. To be fair there are many chinese people who truly hate the assholes of their nation. But can do little about it as they are legion.
@ you realize they made that phone you are typing that on.
I can't believe I missed this video 4 years ago. Thanks to TH-cam, it is coming at the right time. Another masterpiece, thank you! :)
You are welcome!
Thank you for exposing these Chinese scams, what's even more disgusting is how the GAFA's, Paypal etc are complicit with these scams, I found out.
That doesn't make sense. Paypal has nothing to do with battery sales.
you should pull the resalers of such scam to the justice !!!
But their 10TB USB thumb drives for $2 are such a good deal. LOL
@@unknown_10453 oh, but they do...transferring money is their job...and they support any transaction with china, favoring china in any dispute.
Actually, what's REALLY disgusting is how Musk, who SAYS Tesla makes their own batteries but actually buys them from PANASONIC, says he's getting the best batteries for under $1.70/cell. Even with a wholesale discount that's a total lie. Yet he reports to the world every quarter that he makes 20-30% margin per car, instead of being honest and admitting he's LOSING some $10k per car.
That, and people are so desperately willing to believe him.
At 0:55 "Sheef-Life" great way to let you know not to buy that Battery
At 3:37 High Rate "Dischanrge" on that Battery Nice
At 4:05 "Enciromental Friendly" on that Battery Awesome
At 4:53 "Shell Life" on that Battery just keeps getting Better
@B B Those are the spellings printed on the Chinese batteries...
lol
I don’t think spelling correctly in a TH-cam comment is as important compared to product information.
@B B Literacy includes reading comprehension, following the context of who is speaking in a conversation, and regardless of whether the original poster put extra typos in accidentally or purposefully, the ability to recognize sarcasm.
Your assignment is to consider how these principles relate to your exchange in this comment thread.
@B B definately his typo is better than the chingy propaganda as well as yours
Just like the flashlights. Chinese 2000 lumen = 250 lumen
all china products should be banned
this is one of my favorite youtube channels. no minute wasted. very detailed. my questions are answered even before I think about it.
Thanks!
"Buyer beware and do some research"
Luckily, I dont have to do any research because you did it for me. Thanks for the video!
Glad to help!
When cheap Americans buy cheap made in China stuff
Me: LOL they don't know China manufactures best batteries（Lithium iron phosphate） that they are the sole providers of BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and Volvo, Toyota are using Chinese batteries too but nobody complaints they are invented and made in China
@@zihaoliu605 "Um acktchyually China makes the best Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries"
Shut up, nerd. There are manufacturers all over the world that make LiFePO4 batteries. Yes, most are made in China but so is most everything else we use daily- because it's dirt cheap. And just because they make the batteries for car companies doesnt make them the best. They are in those cars because they were the cheapest that they could get away with while still being Lithium Iron Phosphate. Go eat some more bat soup and create another plague before your supreme leader outlaws your ability to use the internet. USA 4ever
@@UncleDon226 Yes, Chinese made batteries are cheaper, simply b/c it has the most advanced factories, buying dirt cheap products from anywhere on earth comes with consequences, and you should know only poor buy cheap products, and they are the majority of your society, maybe before blaming China, you should consider why U.S. is heading to a direction of a shit hole country. I don't know how many cars you have but I do have 5, 2 in NY and 3 in Qingdao, and they are all mercedes amg and bmw suvs, I never saw anything related to maintenance batteries, but often made in Germany parts are failing, not to mention made in USA for past 60 years is a joke. For COVID-19, as a M.D. I can tell you it's originated in Fort Detrick, VA, where the first to third mutated strands are found, e-cig pneumonia have the exact symptoms as COVID-19 and some of your soldiers brings them to Wuhan b/c world military olympics. Ford aircraft carrier and many other nuclear submarines left US coast since November and isolated deep down the sea, and US denies WHO to enter US b/c they are trying to unveil where the COVID-19 strand A originated in US. Politics and Media are hoax, only scholars speak the truth.
@@zihaoliu605 30 points have been deposited into your social credits account. Good job Liu! No really, don't trust China, China is ashoe, Taiwan is the real China.
It was one of the best reviews I've ever seen. Thanks
You are welcome!
Thank you so much for patiently taking the time to put this complete comprehensive hands down best 18650 real world test / review that I found both educational and informative and learned how to choose the 18650 batteries carefully and not to just trust the outrageous claims that are just outright scams.
Awesome review, keep up the great work. RESPECT ✊
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Thanks so much! Thanks for watching and subscribing!
This channel is using a different way to demonize Chinese, westerners like to fabricate fake video to demonize China and finally fool people with no brain, it is disgusting, firstly, using the CHEAPEST China products to compare to the most branded non China product itself is ridiculous, secondly, the price of the China product mentioned in the video is more than 10 times cheaper in China than the price you mentioned in the video, so who you actually pay most of the price of the product to? The answer is THE IMPORTER AND MIDDLE MAN in your country. The real fact is CCP is already the current biggest high-tech entrepreneur and capitalist in the world, China contributes the most to the world and western countries grab the most with even inhuman measurements, it sounds ridiculous right? Use your brain to think further when you come across anything about China from westerners, western people are too jealous about the returning of the China power and tried very hard to fabricate fake videos, spread rumors to demonize China, shamelessness is continue until they destroy themselves with their inferior personality. Chai From Malaysia.
@@klchai7884 dude it's not possible to fit 9.8 Ah in a cell that normally fits 1/3 of that when they use the *exact same technology*. so naturally the only possibility is the company claiming 9.8 Ah is lying. obviously not every company is the same, but this company is lying.
As always i am very appreciative of the time you take to test stuff. It also saves many from buying fakes , especially so in the lithium ion battery arena!
Thanks!
Honestly I'm surprised by just how awful those cheap Chinese batteries were, I just feel awful for anyone who get duped into buying them. Completely misleading advertising.
And Amazon has no problem selling them!
Because idiots don't do research when there are many options in the Chinese market that meet specs. Idiots are easily duped.
I have like 10 of those ultrafire batteries (they come with alot of flashlights & lasers) and they kind of suck ass. EFest batteries are the best and most reliable in my opinion.
Seen those Chinese brands for less then a buck... so anyone with common sense knows what he getting...
yes and no. consider I got mine for less then dollar per battery. at that price (with ultrafire flashlights) they make good truck/ house flashlights. my carry and work lights are all olights for the recorded though. (including batteries). so if you buy right they do have their place. Still pretty shoddy if you ask me. And with the current price of much better batteries I don't think that I will be buying anymore. but remember the prices quoted here are pretty recent. it was not that long ago that you were looking at 10 bucks per battery
I'm just gonna say it, vapers are very glad to see our years long testing is being confirmed by pf.
Thank you very much!
sadly we didnt need this video to know Chinese batteries are relabeled rejects of the 3 major battery companies, BUT as you stated I'm glad to see our knowledge being posted😁
Project Farm I saw 18650s and was hoping to see the ones I use Golisi half the time I don’t need the information in these videos but they are always fun to watch
I saw 9000mah and went DBZ ITS OVER 9000!!!! And new it was wrong.
I was really hoping to see some of the LG turds, or the old VTC4 or even 3...
I still use a vtc 3 for low mech builds.
@@acexxxoasis I use the efest 3500mah 20a for my highend stuff. I've had really great success with them.
One of the reasons the reputable brands of batteries have a bit less power capacity than the absolute maximum, is to ensure safety by not going too thin on the internal elements.
Samsung took a hard lesson on not exceeding what's safe to cram into a battery with the Note 7. I'd generally avoid any battery which has a higher capacity in the same space than their model. Should skin the chinese batteries and see if there's any other markings under the wrap. Re-skinning and selling used batteries as 'new' is very common in China.
When the chinese "lithium ion" battery said "environmentally friendly" I spit out my lemonade...
Samsung actually didn't exceed what was safe - it was one of the battery manufacturers who didn't produce inside specs. Their battery was a little too large and therefore got punctured by a component or the case. This is why it didn't happen to all phones because the other manufacturer(s) did produce to spec and delivered the right size battery.
Samsung should have noticed though, it's still their fault. But they didn't plan unrealistically, because the other battery manufacturer(s) were obviously able to deliver the right size of battery.
And btw the reputable brands just deliver whatever capacity they can realistically and safely produce. It's not like the China-"brands" ever actually deliver a higher capacity, safe or unsafe. They just write whatever numbers they like on the shrink wrap.
@@maximilianmustermann5763 Technically true, but after the incident, they backed away from pushing the limit of what could be safe for a battery. The replacement was down 200 mah, because it had healthier margins for error, to lean less on 'luck' with manufacturing inconsistencies.
Samsung 35E - 3500 mAh
LG MJ1 - 3500 mAh
Samsung 30Q - 3000 mAh
Sony VTC6 - 3000 mAh
LG HE4 - 2500 mAh
Samsung 25R - 2500 mAh
Sony VTC5A - 2500 mAh
Panasonic
What a pleasure. Thank you for taking the time to provide us with a true and accurate test platform. It has certainly put my mind at ease choosing replacement 18650 batteries.
Thanks!
This channel is using a different way to demonize Chinese, westerners like to fabricate fake video to demonize China and finally fool people with no brain, it is disgusting, firstly, using the CHEAPEST China products to compare to the most branded non China product itself is ridiculous, secondly, the price of the China product mentioned in the video is more than 10 times cheaper in China than the price you mentioned in the video, so who you actually pay most of the price of the product to? The answer is THE IMPORTER AND MIDDLE MAN in your country. The real fact is CCP is already the current biggest high-tech entrepreneur and capitalist in the world, China contributes the most to the world and western countries grab the most with even inhuman measurements, it sounds ridiculous right? Use your brain to think further when you come across anything about China from westerners, western people are too jealous about the returning of the China power and tried very hard to fabricate fake videos, spread rumors to demonize China, shamelessness is continue until they destroy themselves with their inferior personality. Chai From Malaysia.
@@klchai7884 The Chinese companies that make good quality batteries should start selling them in other countries then. It is difficult to find them when the majority of stuff found in the west on Amazon and eBay are very low quality like this.
4:07 That "Sheef-life" of 10 years, and being "encironmental" friendly, did like no one check to see if it works?
Thanks for the feedback.
1- Chinese batteries die first, that what meant by "environmental friendly"
2- You will -very soon - toss them in a trash can & forget about them is what meant by
"No memory effect " .
Conclusion: All true no fraud.
Great review btw.
Haha one had a "Shell life" as well
Buy one and let me know in 2030 😁😁😁😁😁🌴🇺🇸🇵🇷
I'm so stoked you actually did this I think I asked if you would do18650 cells ago when you did another battery one. thankyou so much for listening to your viewers and showing thing that actually help people ! Off to order a bunch of lg mj1 cells cheers !!
Thank you for requesting this one!
Lg he2 and Sony vct 6 are both very good high quality 3000 mah cells
As always another great vid, thank you so much for taking your time to do these for us.
Thanks so much! You are welcome. Betty Osgood.
This is why I am surprised none of the big tool names (Milwaukee, DeWalt, Makita, ECT) use the Sony VTC5A cells. They have quite a lot of power and would make for great high performance packs without having to step up to 21700 cells. They all currently use the Samsung 25R which is decent but we are talking about the most expensive tool brands.
Thanks for the feedback.
I love this channel.. Its extreme testing investigation, from oil to engine..
Now batteries
Thanks to this, now i know what to buy..
Where you get those reliable batteries?
using the chinese batteries for life saving equiptments could be held liable by courts and osha
That's why you got instance a d church 🤔🤔🤔😳😳
indeed, they are very poor quality batteries, give only 10% of capcity they are displayed for! I did my own tests on these!
@tl6gc tl6gc using western technology, and investments… China manufactures and that’s it or copy from other people… ex: cars, watches, etc etc.
@Elias Simon, yeah right, it'd be the same results as the plan-demic China virus.
You ever see their buildings in China. Built like their batteries
I watch your channel frequently. I had to smile when I saw your baby food jars on the shelf (and a few other types). When I was going through that part of my marriage my work bench was in the basement and the studs were within easy reach. I used to nail the covers to the bottom and then screw the jars into the covers. Very handy. Thanks for your interesting topics
Thanks for watching!
Battery mooch did testing on most of these batteries, and they line up with your testing. I run the vtc5a in my ecig for high draw, it's a fantastic battery.
Thanks for sharing.
Once again proved how Chinese cheating customers just adding zero to the original capacity.
It balances out when they removed multiple zeros in their corona deaths
Adding zero adds nothing... right?
No the politicians are cheating us while lining their pockets and wasting , no, making money on natural resources.
Yeah, I started going out of my way to avoid buying chinese.
@@jasonblahafitness6349 that's like going vegan lol. Pretty damn hard to do nowadays sadly. Kudos for sure though.
First off excellent video! A general rule of thumb is, the fancier the battery wrap, the worse the battery is. There is no 18650 with a capacity of higher than 3500mah. The higher the capacity, the lower the current rating. NEVER buy a battery from Ebay. As he has proved in this video, all 18650's are not created equal.
Great point! Thank you
Simple rule 1 - buy Samsung, LG or Panasonic. Simple rule 2 - buy from a reputable source. Of course, there's more to things than these two rules, but if you do follow these two rules and it is hard to go wrong.
I was tempted to add Simple rule 3 - don't buy any battery rated 3600 mah or higher, but that rule is actually redundant. If you follow the first two simple rules, you won't need Simple rule 3.
@@wturber Sony makes good batteries as well as Molicel which used to be part of Sony.
I've become familiar with this, i got samsung 21700s instead for my ebike pack. 3000 mAh and 35A continuous discharge
where do you buy good batteries
I have a 10 year old LG phone that I don't use anymore, I turned it on and the battery is still good on it compared to my iphone or anything rechargeable from duracell and engergizer. Very impressive!
Thanks for sharing.
"Enciromental friendly" on a final product ?
Lol...China...
Hah, you noticed also 😎
Shell life. Or sheef life. 😂
@@JToona I didn't choose the Sheef Life, the Sheef life chose me.
Like to see you do better
All standard lithium ion cells are based on cobalt instead of cadmium, which is considered safe (you can incinerate it with few problems). Unfortunately it is mined by enslaved kids in the Congo. Enjoy your cheap Chinese phone!
Mate, your tests are AWESOME, I really enjoy them - keep rolling! Gianluca, Italy.
Thanks, will do!
I love my LG MJ1s. I use them exclusively in my camping equipment and can go for a 3 day camping trip without recharging.
where did you get them?
Panasonic, LG, Samsung and Ampsplus (21700) for me 👍
This channel is using a different way to demonize Chinese, westerners like to fabricate fake video to demonize China and finally fool people with no brain, it is disgusting, firstly, using the CHEAPEST China products to compare to the most branded non China product itself is ridiculous, secondly, the price of the China product mentioned in the video is more than 10 times cheaper in China than the price you mentioned in the video, so who you actually pay most of the price of the product to? The answer is THE IMPORTER AND MIDDLE MAN in your country. The real fact is CCP is already the current biggest high-tech entrepreneur and capitalist in the world, China contributes the most to the world and western countries grab the most with even inhuman measurements, it sounds ridiculous right? Use your brain to think further when you come across anything about China from westerners, western people are too jealous about the returning of the China power and tried very hard to fabricate fake videos, spread rumors to demonize China, shamelessness is continue until they destroy themselves with their inferior personality. Chai From Malaysia.
I was about to rebuild the Greenworks 80v battery pack. After watching this video, I don't want to waste my time with Chinese cells. I don't know how you can made a video with so much details information in just under 15min. without biting your tongue 😀 Thank you so much for making this video
"sheef" and "shell" life are certainly odd typos.
Thanks for the feedback.
@@ProjectFarm and you missed environmentally friendly 😂
They're not typos. They're misspellings by people who (barely) speak English as a second language.
Lots of people who learn a second language don't learn to spell in that language. They likely genuinely think that's how the word is pronounced and spelled.
@@billybobjoe198 They're made by people who literally do not know the language. They're working off a translation to know what the foreign glyphs mean, but they don't know the difference between an l or an f. They're just copying images.
Western tattoo artists do the same thing when copying Chinese characters. They might have some random guide saying what the characters mean, but they don't know how to create them properly. (Or worst case they have some gibberish guide that doesn't even make proper characters at all)
"encironmental friendly" also 😂
A down loadable file with all of those graphs would be a great reference.
You could use your computers "snipping" tool and save the graph into your computer.
@@georgeleong1572 it would still be usefull to have the data in a spreadsheet. It could also be used to see if there is a connection between the weight and mA
Use your smartphone to take a screenshot and quit being whiny after this man went through all this effort to give you all the data you needed for free....
Stop being lazy. He gave you the data, spending his time and money on this video. The least you could do is say thanks and put it in your own spreadsheet.
No offense, I hate people like you. This guy spent a hell of a lot of time to get this data for you....FREE.... Then you have the nerve to complain you want more....
He gave u the data, so put it in excel bro
You have the most thorough, scientifically controlled and impartial product reviews available, period. Another amazing review! I look forward to more content.
Thanks so much!
To be really scientific you'd have to measure many more samples of each battery. Two is barely enough to generalize about.
Excellent VDO - Again Really appreciated this one.
Thanks!
Finally, I could see the comparison that I requested. Thank you project farm!
Thanks for the idea!