A lot of Greeks can pronounce English way better, including CH, but they choose not to, cause they don’t want to sound posh among other Greeks 😊 BTW, your Greek pronunciation is very good. You may not sound native yet, but you are 100% intelligible and improving upon that would only make sense if you really need to for yourself.
I am half Greek living in the U.S. One thing about the Greek language is getting the masculine and feminine words correct. Like Uncle is Theo, and Aunt is Thea. Just something to keep in mind. I enjoy your channel.
Bravo my friend! Excited to see this course. Your dedication to learning and language is inspriing to see. For the ts sound you just need to keep buying as much tsipouro, bougatsa, and tsoureki as you can to practice. That should be easy because both are delicious right!!😊
Great video my friend, as always! Just to make a note on CH and the sound of it in English words (that you have probably noticed too). English words that include a CH derive from Greek if that CH is pronounced as [ K ]. For example: ache, school, choir, stomach, character, mechanic, chemistry, chartography, etc. On the other hand, english words that don't derive directly from greek, pronounce the CH with a [ ch (ts) ] sound, such as: chair, change, chip, chalk, chick, chain, cherry.... This way you can understand if a word derives from greek or not.. However, the word "church" comes from greek too, but here the Ch is pronounced as CH, not K.
@@johnphilippatos Στα Μεσαιωνικά Ελληνικά υπήρχε η φράση "κυριακόν δώμα", που σήμαινε κυριολεκτικά τον "οίκο του Θεού", με την πρώτη λέξη να παράγεται απο το "κύριος", που, αυστηρά μιλώντας, σήμαινε "αυτόν που διαθέτει κύρος", την υπέρτατη ισχυ. Η φράση συντμήθηκε σε "κυριακόν", αυτό που ανήκει στον Κύριο. Όταν η λέξη εισήλθε στα Αγγλοσαξωνικά γραφόταν "cirice" αλλα προφερόταν "chiriche", και σταδιακά έλαβε τη σημερινή της μορφή γραφής, "church". Γνωστό είναι επίσης ότι η ελληνική λέξη "εκκλησία" προέρχεται απο το εκ + καλώ, εκ +_κλήση που εννοεί την πρόσκληση για την συνάθροιση ανθρώπων (Εκκλησία του Δήμου στην αρχαία Ελλάδα). Να σημειωθεί ότι στα Ισπανικά, απ' όπου κατάγεται και ο φίλος μας ο Daniel που διατηρεί αυτό εδώ το κανάλι, η εκκλησία λέγεται "iglesia", προφανές οτί προέρχεται άμεσα απο το ελληνικό "Εκκλησία"...
Really nice video ! In my grandparents village they pronounce Eklisia as Eklisha , krasi as krashi, etc. But someone from Crete told me that Greeks don’t use ‘sh’ sound . So is that unique to the χωριό?
You'll certainly never hear an Athenian speaking like that but yes, it can be heard in villages. Just as other parts of the country have a heavy λ or ν sound that can make some Athenians giggle when they hear it. Those are dead giveaways.
It's the name of the younger sister of Ariadne, who became Theseus 2nd wife and later fell in love with his son Hippolytus that of course ended tragically and was the subject of the same name (Hippolitus) and a film by Jules Dassin in a modern perspective. Phaedros the male type of the name was in Plato's Dialogues as the boy's name in female form was the Amazon Queen Hippolyta!(his mom)
There is a little trick to emphasize/de-emphasize consonants and nail proper accent: Try different positions of jaw bone (push forward/backwards). Try to understand the sound differences between Κ-Γ-Χ, Τ-Δ-Θ, Π-Β-Φ, Μ-Ν, Λ-Ρ, Σ-Ζ and the position of tongue/lips/teeth etc. Eg Κάππα is strong, Γάμμα is softer, Χι is the softest of the group. Ξ and Ψ are pronounced as ΚΣ ΠΣ. Mind also, there are hidden letters when you speak that are not present in writing form e.g. the word πιάνο (piano) is pronounced like πχιάνο with an extra Χι!!!
I think your main issue with the ts is not the emphasis to the ts sound is the way you pronounce s in general, even when you tried to emulate how a Greek would pronounce the word machine, it sounds wrong. BTW great content and love your videos, keep it up, your Greek is amazing for a foreigner
χ vs h, cap vs cup, schwa as in better, and many more examples. Apparently, this seems like an international thing, where, outside anglophone countries, they don't teach English pronunciation. Somehow, the first lessons on any other languages actually begin with pronunciation, but when this happens, people believe, that it's not important, or they take the “guidelines” too literally and end up speaking like AI. This issue could easily be solved, if we were learning pronunciation by imitating natives and getting taught IPA. However, in Greece at least, we get used to speaking English by transliterating the words to the Greek alphabet, in an attempt to match the word's most satisfying way to say it with the limited sounds of the language. E.g. hello becomes χέ-λοου, cap or cup καπ, America Α-μέ-ρι-κα; the ə sound also doesn't get marked thanks to it. Oh, and speaking about IPA, most English teachers have no idea what is it, not to mention, that they primarily teach us the language by reading texts. I personally see this lack of depth in knowledge as a huge profit opportunity for people that know English excellent.
Not pronouncing τσ very well is a very minor mistake. Non-greeks have a much bigger difficulty pronouncing letters such as γ and χ (ξ and ψ although look very weird to them are far easier actually). Not to mention ρ (r), it's often almost silent in English. Even vowels sound differently, esp Americans can't pronounce a clear α, ε or ο, as Greeks.
One of the most difficult words for Greeks to pronounce correctly is "spaceship". We already have trouble pronouncing "sh", imagine pronouncing two neighbouring "ss" and "sh" sounds.
The problem with Greeks speaking English, especially the generations of the last 30 years who are being taught English from a young age, is that A. The teachers do not even try to teach them pronounciation or if they do they fail miserably, and B. If you even try to pronounce something right they will make fun of you. Native Greek speaker here.
Yeah but is not CHipuro, is TSipuro. And pogaTSa not pogaCHa. Just like TSai, cappuTSino, sandwiTS.. So technically you're saying it wrong. Unless is different in your region. Because I've been to Zakynthos, Thessaloniki, meteora region, Kavala, Thasos, the whole of Cassandra and everywhere they pronounce it like TS not CH.
You are absolutely correct in your remark. Please allow me to point out a minor mistake: It is pronounced bougatsa. There is no such thing as pogatsa. Thank you!
being racist towards her own dad , theres hope :p asimilation makes you greek , the greek language alone assimilates you in beeing greek foregners spit out the vowels like they wield a whip , in greek you have to imagine you wield a spatha and chop your way through the sylabes , if you get what i mean you are half way there to pronounce greek the correct way , for spanish speaking ppl is much easier to get a hold of this since they already speak similar to how greek sound compared to english or french
Only Greeks that speak poor English do not pronounce "machine" properly. It's not that they can't, it's that they have not realized it's different to plain "s". If you point it out to them, you'll see that they can pronounce it.
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A lot of Greeks can pronounce English way better, including CH, but they choose not to, cause they don’t want to sound posh among other Greeks 😊 BTW, your Greek pronunciation is very good. You may not sound native yet, but you are 100% intelligible and improving upon that would only make sense if you really need to for yourself.
Daniel you are a celebrity in your town, tourists from abroad now visit and hoping they find you there.
Ahahaha yeah, he could easily pass as a Cretan
Trying to learn some conversational Greek to prepare for my upcoming trip!!
That's very Greek of her ❤️
Note that when Greeks correct someone they do it because they like that person or in Daniel's case out of love 😉
I am half Greek living in the U.S. One thing about the Greek language is getting the masculine and feminine words correct. Like Uncle is Theo, and Aunt is Thea. Just something to keep in mind. I enjoy your channel.
Θείος - Theos
Excellent, keep up the good work. Respect.
Bravo my friend! Excited to see this course. Your dedication to learning and language is inspriing to see. For the ts sound you just need to keep buying as much tsipouro, bougatsa, and tsoureki as you can to practice. That should be easy because both are delicious right!!😊
''in the cold november rain'' θα έλεγαν οι Guns 'n Roses :)
Hello Daniel. Since you are from Venezuela, I was wondering if you teach your wife and daughters how to speak Spanish?
Great video my friend, as always! Just to make a note on CH and the sound of it in English words (that you have probably noticed too). English words that include a CH derive from Greek if that CH is pronounced as [ K ]. For example: ache, school, choir, stomach, character, mechanic, chemistry, chartography, etc. On the other hand, english words that don't derive directly from greek, pronounce the CH with a [ ch (ts) ] sound, such as: chair, change, chip, chalk, chick, chain, cherry.... This way you can understand if a word derives from greek or not.. However, the word "church" comes from greek too, but here the Ch is pronounced as CH, not K.
Από ποια λέξη προέρχεται το church;
@@johnphilippatos Στα Μεσαιωνικά Ελληνικά υπήρχε η φράση "κυριακόν δώμα", που σήμαινε κυριολεκτικά τον "οίκο του Θεού", με την πρώτη λέξη να παράγεται απο το "κύριος", που, αυστηρά μιλώντας, σήμαινε "αυτόν που διαθέτει κύρος", την υπέρτατη ισχυ. Η φράση συντμήθηκε σε "κυριακόν", αυτό που ανήκει στον Κύριο. Όταν η λέξη εισήλθε στα Αγγλοσαξωνικά γραφόταν "cirice" αλλα προφερόταν "chiriche", και σταδιακά έλαβε τη σημερινή της μορφή γραφής, "church".
Γνωστό είναι επίσης ότι η ελληνική λέξη "εκκλησία" προέρχεται απο το εκ + καλώ, εκ +_κλήση που εννοεί την πρόσκληση για την συνάθροιση ανθρώπων (Εκκλησία του Δήμου στην αρχαία Ελλάδα). Να σημειωθεί ότι στα Ισπανικά, απ' όπου κατάγεται και ο φίλος μας ο Daniel που διατηρεί αυτό εδώ το κανάλι, η εκκλησία λέγεται "iglesia", προφανές οτί προέρχεται άμεσα απο το ελληνικό "Εκκλησία"...
Would be keen to learn more about your course when it is ready.
Really nice video !
In my grandparents village they pronounce Eklisia as Eklisha , krasi as krashi, etc. But someone from Crete told me that Greeks don’t use ‘sh’ sound . So is that unique to the χωριό?
You'll certainly never hear an Athenian speaking like that but yes, it can be heard in villages. Just as other parts of the country have a heavy λ or ν sound that can make some Athenians giggle when they hear it. Those are dead giveaways.
Those Greek women are feisty from a very young age.
Thanks!
If memory serves me, Cretans also pronounce ts=ch. Maybe you should say you're from Crete when they point that out. lol
They also tend to replace SIGMA ( Σ) with XI ( Ξ) and use older forms of words, some even ancient 😉
I am greek guy and english speaker but I think we pronounce the following words almost the same way ! seat sit sheet shit
My greek wife thinks those words are all the same, I would add sheep, ship to that list.
Phaedra? Is that from Plato's dialogue, or Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance? Great name!
It's the name of the younger sister of Ariadne, who became Theseus 2nd wife and later fell in love with his son Hippolytus that of course ended tragically and was the subject of the same name (Hippolitus) and a film by Jules Dassin in a modern perspective. Phaedros the male type of the name was in Plato's Dialogues as the boy's name in female form was the Amazon Queen Hippolyta!(his mom)
yeah its a normal and kinda common name in greece.
There is a little trick to emphasize/de-emphasize consonants and nail proper accent: Try different positions of jaw bone (push forward/backwards). Try to understand the sound differences between Κ-Γ-Χ, Τ-Δ-Θ, Π-Β-Φ, Μ-Ν, Λ-Ρ, Σ-Ζ and the position of tongue/lips/teeth etc. Eg Κάππα is strong, Γάμμα is softer, Χι is the softest of the group. Ξ and Ψ are pronounced as ΚΣ ΠΣ. Mind also, there are hidden letters when you speak that are not present in writing form e.g. the word πιάνο (piano) is pronounced like πχιάνο with an extra Χι!!!
I think your main issue with the ts is not the emphasis to the ts sound is the way you pronounce s in general, even when you tried to emulate how a Greek would pronounce the word machine, it sounds wrong.
BTW great content and love your videos, keep it up, your Greek is amazing for a foreigner
"Refrigerator" has given me loads of laughs with my Hellenic cousins.🤣
The fastest way to learn Greek is to marry a Greek woman and to live in a Greek environment/ working place
And even faster if your wife only speaks Greek lol sink or swim
χ vs h, cap vs cup, schwa as in better, and many more examples. Apparently, this seems like an international thing, where, outside anglophone countries, they don't teach English pronunciation. Somehow, the first lessons on any other languages actually begin with pronunciation, but when this happens, people believe, that it's not important, or they take the “guidelines” too literally and end up speaking like AI.
This issue could easily be solved, if we were learning pronunciation by imitating natives and getting taught IPA. However, in Greece at least, we get used to speaking English by transliterating the words to the Greek alphabet, in an attempt to match the word's most satisfying way to say it with the limited sounds of the language. E.g. hello becomes χέ-λοου, cap or cup καπ, America Α-μέ-ρι-κα; the ə sound also doesn't get marked thanks to it.
Oh, and speaking about IPA, most English teachers have no idea what is it, not to mention, that they primarily teach us the language by reading texts.
I personally see this lack of depth in knowledge as a huge profit opportunity for people that know English excellent.
Not pronouncing τσ very well is a very minor mistake. Non-greeks have a much bigger difficulty pronouncing letters such as γ and χ (ξ and ψ although look very weird to them are far easier actually). Not to mention ρ (r), it's often almost silent in English. Even vowels sound differently, esp Americans can't pronounce a clear α, ε or ο, as Greeks.
Hola Daniel, Y tus hijas hablan español? Saludos!
Greeks indeed struggle a lot with words like "beach", which comes out as "beats"
One of the most difficult words for Greeks to pronounce correctly is "spaceship". We already have trouble pronouncing "sh", imagine pronouncing two neighbouring "ss" and "sh" sounds.
The problem with Greeks speaking English, especially the generations of the last 30 years who are being taught English from a young age, is that
A. The teachers do not even try to teach them pronounciation or if they do they fail miserably, and
B. If you even try to pronounce something right they will make fun of you.
Native Greek speaker here.
If both your daughters make fun of your Greek then I think you ought to be the one who should be doing your young ones lesson!!!
Yeah but is not CHipuro, is TSipuro. And pogaTSa not pogaCHa. Just like TSai, cappuTSino, sandwiTS.. So technically you're saying it wrong. Unless is different in your region. Because I've been to Zakynthos, Thessaloniki, meteora region, Kavala, Thasos, the whole of Cassandra and everywhere they pronounce it like TS not CH.
You are absolutely correct in your remark. Please allow me to point out a minor mistake: It is pronounced bougatsa. There is no such thing as pogatsa. Thank you!
being racist towards her own dad , theres hope :p
asimilation makes you greek , the greek language alone assimilates you in beeing greek
foregners spit out the vowels like they wield a whip , in greek you have to imagine you wield a spatha and chop your way through the sylabes , if you get what i mean you are half way there to pronounce greek the correct way , for spanish speaking ppl is much easier to get a hold of this since they already speak similar to how greek sound compared to english or french
No she wasn't racist towards her dad ! She didn't underestimated him
Only Greeks that speak poor English do not pronounce "machine" properly. It's not that they can't, it's that they have not realized it's different to plain "s". If you point it out to them, you'll see that they can pronounce it.