It only costs about .05-.1 seconds to at least get a flash of your dot or front sight on the target. We are accountable for every round we have to fire in self defense, and you get SO much more accountability with just an extra .05-.1 of a second. More visual info is better. World Champion Ben Stoeger thought this video was ridiculous, along with other great shooters who are all better than this guy like Grandmaster XrayAlpha, Velox Training Group, and JBS Training Group.
@@musicman1eanda is that what you would say to a member of the special forces be them from whatever country or army in the world? I do agree with you on some points but at the end of the day it all comes down to practice practice practice or and over again which builds muscle memory I think you will not argue about that point. So I wasn’t trying to say that it was a absolutely perfect system for everyone in modern society or on the street to employ. Although it was a very simple and beautifully described and executed piece on the subject. Now as for all of the examples of experts you have mentioned and including yourself do you really think in the (and I sincerely hope you or anyone else NEVER has the misfortune of this) event that someone genuinely pulls out a piece on you that your mind is going to stay focused enough and you will be able to control the massive amount of information overload that slams into your mind in less than 0.2 of a second. Your going to look for that front sight? Or just fill your pants then look down as you float up at what was your container on this planet? Somehow I think unless you have thousands of rounds in pressure shooting practice it will be the later. No offence intended whatsoever and please reply I would appreciate a conversation about this with you about it. Have a beautiful day and more importantly stay safe and healthy 🫵🏻👍🏼
@@SkunkPunch73Muscle memory doesn’t exist all that information is store In a part of the brain called the saddle that sits in the middle of your skull around there anyway muscle, can’t remember it’s a tool ,your brain can think it remembers all of your organs and muscle must be in tandem I can tell you this too it is by no means a bad idea to use a knife in close range when you know they can’t get that gun out in time before you close distance of a few feet and stab. a knife wound is a hell of a lot worse to fix than a small projectile around the size of .355 I will say this , the guy in video is a bit of a charlatan cause point shooting is a tiny topic in the concept of combat shooting , he doesn’t mention how to utilize certain grips from cover such as the C clamp and etc and I honestly think your going to learn more studying Army field manuals than you would on TH-cam for the entire kit and kaboodle in combat shooting basics , that and if you compete it fills the role of pressure shooting too which i suggest you give a one gun or a two gun a go they are wicked fun and are great training for not just speed shooting but the vast majority of combat shooting techniques sure you will prob get shit on first few times by an Sti 2011 or a super duper MK18 but legit just get a solid handgun and rifle combo you can shoot well and to shoot a competition or buy comp targets end of the day as long as you train dynamic shooting positions and static with multiple targets you should be able To get a good self Defence standard. Keep in mind I shot my first competition with an FNX.45 T definitely not comp standard and I still nade 14th of 37 shooters so I scored in the upper 1/3 with no prior competition experience and some stages and comps are harder sure but I was going up against STIs with 24+ round mags in stages I mandatory reload as I only had 15 and all stages were 20+
It literally only costs about .05-.1 seconds to at least get a flash of your dot or front sight on the target. We are accountable for every round we have to fire in self defense, and you get SO much more accountability with just an extra .05-.1 of a second. More visual info is better. World Champion Ben Stoeger thought this video was ridiculous, along with other great shooters who are all better than this guy like Grandmaster XrayAlpha, Velox Training Group, and JBS Training Group.
@@musicman1eandayou just named a bunch of competition shooters to compete against a combat shooters advice. you gonna name some pro paint ballers next?
This method discussed in the video is superior as fastest target acquisition! The range officer for during my CCW training instructed me to look at the target rather than focus through my iron sights. To my surprise, shots were instantaneous and accurate! Who would’ve thought you don’t even need sights but rather instinct (yup, point support hand thumb). 😎👍🏼🇺🇸
Reasonable advice, obviously situational dependant. A lawyer attached to each bullet..... great advice in a way zone, obviously not in starbucks. Keep up the good work, love what you're teaching.
@aperfectcircle008How is this gonna get you put in prison? If you’re in a situation that requires using a handgun in self defense you’re likely not gonna be able to aim using sights very easily. Training to not use them and still get accurate hits is a good idea to minimize the chance of stray rounds.
Covering the target with the back of the gun is how I used to shoot grasshoppers at closer ranges with a pellet pistol as a kid. I knew the sights would be high, but not by how much, so I visualized the bore axis in my mind & used that. Shoot a thousand grasshoppers or so with a one-shot pellet pistol, you get pretty good and fast at it.
Using a laser round as a training aid is good too with dry fire practice....helps with muscle memory and point of aim accuracy. Keeps target-focus. When you take the round out live round groups seem to be even tighter from my experience.
I use the same practices of my support thumb at the direction of target and I am a fan of the trigger finger method as well 🎯 spot on. I’m definitely going to try the back plate over center mass
Just learned one more point blank range target shooting method. Larry Vickers shown another style. Yours is the third style, a left thumb or trigger finger aiming method. Larry Vickers shown another style. I went another route and studied how the gunmen of the old west in the late 1800's. Revolvers at the time only had blade front sights. No rear sights. It was impossible to have a proper sight picture without a rear sight. Plus, many gunmen at the time were quick draw specialists. No time for sight alignment. You had to draw the revolver and shoot in a second. This is my method. First you have to know your dominant eye. Most people are right eye dominant. Now hold up your fist and extend your thumb. Close your non dominant eye and look at your thumb. Open your non dominant eye and you will be seeing that target that is obscured by by the dominant eye. Now get your pistol or revolver. Don't worry about the sights. Just look at the rear of the pistol or revolver. The image of your handgun is what your dominant eye sees. The non dominant eye sees the target to the left of the gun for right eyed dominant shooters. This image is super imposed in your mind. When the two images are overlapping, pull the trigger. You will hit exactly what you're looking at. Tested this during a shooting class using a laser/computer movie. The computer marked the location of where you shot. The scenario was the 21 foot rule. The computer was set for 12 foot distance of an attack. Absolutely no time to aim sights. Only thing you can do is draw and shoot. I was looking at the assailants face. The marker from the computer showed the "hit" in the middle of the forehead.
Excellently explained 👌 Another method, probably more useful during the day as opposed to the night, is to shoot with both eyes open while stating at your target and use the more solid of the two sight pictures that ghost-overlap each other when both eyes are open and you are stating at your target and not the sights.
This is something my department is driving towards since FDLE recently updated the shooting qualification course and cut out a lot of the available time to speed up the actual shooting. A few officers opine that this would necessitate more practice to accomplish as if that's a bad thing...
Someone needs to fire your whole chain of command and you need to delete this stupid ass comment. You just said a federal LE department is training to shoot without see their sights, most cops can barely hit an a zone at 25 and you want to teach them “point shooting”
this is fkn facts. i use that method of blocking the target while looking for sights, Accuracy takes a hit but im still on target and quite fast until i can acquire sights when the group tightens
I’m really good at drawing a point aiming quickly, but it bothers me that I don’t take the time to actually aim and evaluate the target so I tend not to practice it too often.
An can use thumbs as a non verbal countdown for those in the know.. while on target Both thumbs up👍= make ready 1 thumb down=stagged trigger 2nd thumb down=execute Good to teach the fam so they know when the thumbs fall= hit the deck cover/conceal
Most people don't realize you don't need to aim at normal pistol distance. Point and shoot works great and is 100x faster. For precision shots you have to aim. But center mass 10-20 yards with clean back stop point and shoot all day.
I feel like people stress the sight picture so much that you forget about trigger control and grip. Proper sight picture means nothing without grip and trigger control. Instead of “squeezing” the trigger I find that in a combative setting you should try to press it to the rear as quickly as possible WITHOUT disturbing the gun. This is difficult with handguns, because the trigger weight is typically more than the gun. Which means your grip has to be ABSOLUTELY perfect and tight. It’s very easy to jerk the gun around when pulling the trigger quickly, and it’s very easy to shoot tight groups while just slowly squeezing the trigger and letting the gun go off.
No, with the weapon in your hand if you use your finger to point the weapon will be off approximately 5" at 12yds. Off set the pointing finger & you will be on target. Using your finger you will build bad muscle memory, I learned that years ago. Put a empty magazine in your hand like you are shooting and point your finger at a Target and you will see where the magazine is pointing.
There are days as I'm teaching, I get get the women right on this stuff. But the guys are so hard headed some of em still don't get it in a 3 hr session. GOOD STUFF MAN
I heard spec ops guys paint a large white dot on the rear of the slide to use that as their aim point, similar to what he said in the video but actually paint a dot on the gun.
Learn how to point with your index, then learn how to point with your thumb, then learn to point with both, then learn how to point with your arms and fingers This all sounds stupid, but when you can naturally always be on target in a split second at close range it's pretty handy
At the gunshop Close your eyes bring the gun up then open your eyes and see where the gun is pointing. Then buy the gun that fits your natural point. NDR
I have utilized the backplate technique during drills, and achieved hand sized groupings at 15m. Great tip with the thumb point technique. Fist bump, Tactical Hyve.
I have been ahooting with out aiming for years. But i use pellet and bb guns. I have trained my youngins the same. I started with a sling when i was a kid. I didnt shoot for years. I can still do it. Same with a bow. Theres a dude on YT that does it with bows. He's pretty good. Good luck. Juat know where your hitting. You hands know what to do.
Or you could just practice using your sights properly and through repetition will develop consistent alignment to subconsciously point shoot. Thoughts?
You are correct. The number of people who are rubber stamping this type of advice with “great video” really are ignorant. Develop a proper index and you don’t NEED to “find your sights.” They’re already there.
I've been shooting my entire life. I was a cop for 25 yrs. Speaking from experience, in a real-life shooting, you're not gonna be looking for sights. Fact.
Just develop an index and get to your sights faster. Put in the work. No need for tricks or gimmicks. Combat shooting, tactical shooting, competition shooting, etc. It’s all the same, shooting is shooting.
Im a police officer in Jamaica for 9 years. Trust me, thats how u shoot in an actual shootout. Especially at NIGHTS.
Amen, brother. Stay safe.
Bro is speaking from experience 💀
Must be tough getting those shots with smooth bores and black powder
Out of curiosity, what are your service guns?
@@A407RAC just because someone says they were a cop doesn't mean they were
Simple, beautifully described and executed .
It only costs about .05-.1 seconds to at least get a flash of your dot or front sight on the target. We are accountable for every round we have to fire in self defense, and you get SO much more accountability with just an extra .05-.1 of a second. More visual info is better. World Champion Ben Stoeger thought this video was ridiculous, along with other great shooters who are all better than this guy like Grandmaster XrayAlpha, Velox Training Group, and JBS Training Group.
@@musicman1eanda is that what you would say to a member of the special forces be them from whatever country or army in the world? I do agree with you on some points but at the end of the day it all comes down to practice practice practice or and over again which builds muscle memory I think you will not argue about that point. So I wasn’t trying to say that it was a absolutely perfect system for everyone in modern society or on the street to employ. Although it was a very simple and beautifully described and executed piece on the subject. Now as for all of the examples of experts you have mentioned and including yourself do you really think in the (and I sincerely hope you or anyone else NEVER has the misfortune of this) event that someone genuinely pulls out a piece on you that your mind is going to stay focused enough and you will be able to control the massive amount of information overload that slams into your mind in less than 0.2 of a second. Your going to look for that front sight? Or just fill your pants then look down as you float up at what was your container on this planet? Somehow I think unless you have thousands of rounds in pressure shooting practice it will be the later. No offence intended whatsoever and please reply I would appreciate a conversation about this with you about it. Have a beautiful day and more importantly stay safe and healthy 🫵🏻👍🏼
@@SkunkPunch73Muscle memory doesn’t exist all that information is store In a part of the brain called the saddle that sits in the middle of your skull around there anyway muscle, can’t remember it’s a tool ,your brain can think it remembers all of your organs and muscle must be in tandem I can tell you this too it is by no means a bad idea to use a knife in close range when you know they can’t get that gun out in time before you close distance of a few feet and stab. a knife wound is a hell of a lot worse to fix than a small projectile around the size of .355 I will say this , the guy in video is a bit of a charlatan cause point shooting is a tiny topic in the concept of combat shooting , he doesn’t mention how to utilize certain grips from cover such as the C clamp and etc and I honestly think your going to learn more studying Army field manuals than you would on TH-cam for the entire kit and kaboodle in combat shooting basics , that and if you compete it fills the role of pressure shooting too which i suggest you give a one gun or a two gun a go they are wicked fun and are great training for not just speed shooting but the vast majority of combat shooting techniques sure you will prob get shit on first few times by an Sti 2011 or a super duper MK18 but legit just get a solid handgun and rifle combo you can shoot well and to shoot a competition or buy comp targets end of the day as long as you train dynamic shooting positions and static with multiple targets you should be able To get a good self Defence standard. Keep in mind I shot my first competition with an FNX.45 T definitely not comp standard and I still nade 14th of 37 shooters so I scored in the upper 1/3 with no prior competition experience and some stages and comps are harder sure but I was going up against STIs with 24+ round mags in stages I mandatory reload as I only had 15 and all stages were 20+
Mediocre advice.
@@tylersharp5751 TLDR
He's absolutely right! What I do. Start close and woek your way back. Good stuff!
No, he’s absolutely wrong. Combat shooting isn’t point shooting.
@@lovetopew9054 Horrendously wrong.
It literally only costs about .05-.1 seconds to at least get a flash of your dot or front sight on the target. We are accountable for every round we have to fire in self defense, and you get SO much more accountability with just an extra .05-.1 of a second. More visual info is better. World Champion Ben Stoeger thought this video was ridiculous, along with other great shooters who are all better than this guy like Grandmaster XrayAlpha, Velox Training Group, and JBS Training Group.
@lovetopew9054 tell me you've never been in a shooting, without telling me you've never been in a shooting.
@@musicman1eandayou just named a bunch of competition shooters to compete against a combat shooters advice. you gonna name some pro paint ballers next?
This method discussed in the video is superior as fastest target acquisition! The range officer for during my CCW training instructed me to look at the target rather than focus through my iron sights. To my surprise, shots were instantaneous and accurate! Who would’ve thought you don’t even need sights but rather instinct (yup, point support hand thumb). 😎👍🏼🇺🇸
Reasonable advice, obviously situational dependant. A lawyer attached to each bullet..... great advice in a way zone, obviously not in starbucks. Keep up the good work, love what you're teaching.
... this is great advice in any situation where your using a handgun to fight someone. You don't use handguns in war zones.
@aperfectcircle008How is this gonna get you put in prison? If you’re in a situation that requires using a handgun in self defense you’re likely not gonna be able to aim using sights very easily. Training to not use them and still get accurate hits is a good idea to minimize the chance of stray rounds.
Absolutely right. And practice at night. Most people that train can't effectively use a firearm at night when they can't see. Practice that situation
The lights went out for about 30sec at the range I was at but I checked fire!
most people dont have the opportunity to train at night.
Covering the target with the back of the gun is how I used to shoot grasshoppers at closer ranges with a pellet pistol as a kid. I knew the sights would be high, but not by how much, so I visualized the bore axis in my mind & used that. Shoot a thousand grasshoppers or so with a one-shot pellet pistol, you get pretty good and fast at it.
I'm definitely gonna try the back plate idea
me too, never thought about that point of view...good wishes for us both
Using a laser round as a training aid is good too with dry fire practice....helps with muscle memory and point of aim accuracy. Keeps target-focus. When you take the round out live round groups seem to be even tighter from my experience.
Quick to the point and very informative. Best gun video I’ve seen in months
Thank you!
Combat shooting is a far wider concept than singular target point shooting
Very simple explanation, easy to understand and implement.
I just put my front sight post in the target. If they are within the average engagement distance then you will hit whatever your sight post is on.
Short and concise, very effective!! 💯🙌🏽
Send it!!
Boom. Perfect
Never thought about that 🔥
Thanks Dorr
that's really good information
Good instruction
the off-hand thumb pointing also locks the wrist which reduces sight drifting and recoil anticipation.
This is neat!
I use the same practices of my support thumb at the direction of target and I am a fan of the trigger finger method as well 🎯 spot on. I’m definitely going to try the back plate over center mass
Very efficient explanation. Subbed. I look forward for more content like this.
Brilliant. Love it.
Good stuff!
Accurate,precise,and smooth.That’s what you want right there
Very helpful! Thank you.
Great video. 100 percent agree with everything
Can also use your support side or forward thumb flagged 👍 up next to the slide as a way to track&lead moving targets a bit easier💯
Excellent. Thanks
I like the roping gloves
“Just send it” 😂🙌
Nice bro
What a kicker.
Love it
Thank you brother im learning to arm myself and yt shorts have been pretty helpful
Just learned one more point blank range target shooting method. Larry Vickers shown another style. Yours is the third style, a left thumb or trigger finger aiming method. Larry Vickers shown another style.
I went another route and studied how the gunmen of the old west in the late 1800's. Revolvers at the time only had blade front sights. No rear sights. It was impossible to have a proper sight picture without a rear sight. Plus, many gunmen at the time were quick draw specialists. No time for sight alignment. You had to draw the revolver and shoot in a second.
This is my method. First you have to know your dominant eye. Most people are right eye dominant. Now hold up your fist and extend your thumb. Close your non dominant eye and look at your thumb. Open your non dominant eye and you will be seeing that target that is obscured by by the dominant eye. Now get your pistol or revolver. Don't worry about the sights. Just look at the rear of the pistol or revolver. The image of your handgun is what your dominant eye sees. The non dominant eye sees the target to the left of the gun for right eyed dominant shooters. This image is super imposed in your mind. When the two images are overlapping, pull the trigger. You will hit exactly what you're looking at. Tested this during a shooting class using a laser/computer movie. The computer marked the location of where you shot. The scenario was the 21 foot rule. The computer was set for 12 foot distance of an attack. Absolutely no time to aim sights. Only thing you can do is draw and shoot. I was looking at the assailants face. The marker from the computer showed the "hit" in the middle of the forehead.
Something new to practice
Excellently explained 👌
Another method, probably more useful during the day as opposed to the night, is to shoot with both eyes open while stating at your target and use the more solid of the two sight pictures that ghost-overlap each other when both eyes are open and you are stating at your target and not the sights.
Another reason pistol optics are better use the glass as the point of view don’t wait for the dot it’s much quicker then fingers or the striker plate
That is…actually really good advice, pretty rare on TH-cam shorts. Nice job!
Great tips and content.
Run for your life- the siege
Part 2 let's see the target
Irrelevant 😊
@@victorowens9150very relevant.
This is something my department is driving towards since FDLE recently updated the shooting qualification course and cut out a lot of the available time to speed up the actual shooting. A few officers opine that this would necessitate more practice to accomplish as if that's a bad thing...
Someone needs to fire your whole chain of command and you need to delete this stupid ass comment. You just said a federal LE department is training to shoot without see their sights, most cops can barely hit an a zone at 25 and you want to teach them “point shooting”
You speed up by having efficient movement. Not aiming the gun is a dumb way to go about things.
Legend status, for that explanation dude!
this is fkn facts. i use that method of blocking the target while looking for sights, Accuracy takes a hit but im still on target and quite fast until i can acquire sights when the group tightens
Getting shot at while the shooter is only getting more and more accurate from a full send is terrifying
The spray and pray method? 😂
The lessons of Jim Cirillo live on! You've chosen wisely.
You must be old...
Great info, I learned something new today. Thank you! #2A 🔫
Maybe take some tips from JJ about gripping the gun
I found that instruction so benefitial that I double tapped the like button.....then I realized it doesn't work that way. Lol
I’m really good at drawing a point aiming quickly, but it bothers me that I don’t take the time to actually aim and evaluate the target so I tend not to practice it too often.
Always great content!’
Some of my favorite cheap gloves from HD, besides my actually tactical gloves for rifle
An can use thumbs as a non verbal countdown for those in the know..
while on target
Both thumbs up👍= make ready
1 thumb down=stagged trigger
2nd thumb down=execute
Good to teach the fam so they know when the thumbs fall= hit the deck cover/conceal
Thanks For This Practical Information/Training. If ever in Pa, I’ll take you kayaking and camping. Place close by has Bald Eagles that engage
That’s definitely one of the most concise and helpful ways I’ve heard the topic explained.
Lasers are a great overlooked tool to use for exactly this type of shooting: getting accurate shots as you bring the sights in view.
Nice
Mastar Dorr Kenobi with the quick deep session.
A master of BS.
TY T&T
Most people don't realize you don't need to aim at normal pistol distance. Point and shoot works great and is 100x faster. For precision shots you have to aim. But center mass 10-20 yards with clean back stop point and shoot all day.
I feel like people stress the sight picture so much that you forget about trigger control and grip. Proper sight picture means nothing without grip and trigger control.
Instead of “squeezing” the trigger I find that in a combative setting you should try to press it to the rear as quickly as possible WITHOUT disturbing the gun. This is difficult with handguns, because the trigger weight is typically more than the gun. Which means your grip has to be ABSOLUTELY perfect and tight. It’s very easy to jerk the gun around when pulling the trigger quickly, and it’s very easy to shoot tight groups while just slowly squeezing the trigger and letting the gun go off.
Nice!
just point and shoot as many as you can as fast as you can lol
True because speed kills
I confirm this works, didn’t even have to watch or get instructed just common sense and using the tool in way it will work.
Really handsome pistol & color scheme
What pistol is it?
thank you
Where did you get those gloves?
This is absolutely correct. Disabled vet. Mos Def!
Grip matters.
love this stuff....
Which firearm are you using?
Combat Shooting: Natural Point of Aim
Oh looky here. Point shooting. again my words are validated by the people who have been there and done that .
No, with the weapon in your hand if you use your finger to point the weapon will be off approximately 5" at 12yds. Off set the pointing finger & you will be on target. Using your finger you will build bad muscle memory, I learned that years ago. Put a empty magazine in your hand like you are shooting and point your finger at a Target and you will see where the magazine is pointing.
This is really good!
Excellent tips
There are days as I'm teaching, I get get the women right on this stuff.
But the guys are so hard headed some of em still don't get it in a 3 hr session.
GOOD STUFF MAN
Ask yourself. If the evil you had an optic and was moving around, would this still work out for you?
I heard spec ops guys paint a large white dot on the rear of the slide to use that as their aim point, similar to what he said in the video but actually paint a dot on the gun.
Learn how to point with your index, then learn how to point with your thumb, then learn to point with both, then learn how to point with your arms and fingers
This all sounds stupid, but when you can naturally always be on target in a split second at close range it's pretty handy
At the gunshop Close your eyes bring the gun up then open your eyes and see where the gun is pointing. Then buy the gun that fits your natural point.
NDR
Interesting
I do that in call of duty all the time.
I have utilized the backplate technique during drills, and achieved hand sized groupings at 15m.
Great tip with the thumb point technique.
Fist bump, Tactical Hyve.
I just always say front sight on target but am less worried about where my rear sight is hell yeah
I have been ahooting with out aiming for years. But i use pellet and bb guns. I have trained my youngins the same. I started with a sling when i was a kid. I didnt shoot for years. I can still do it. Same with a bow. Theres a dude on YT that does it with bows. He's pretty good. Good luck. Juat know where your hitting. You hands know what to do.
What type of gun is that ?
I like to line up the slide/barrel with my target,
Anyone know what gloves those are?
Or you could just practice using your sights properly and through repetition will develop consistent alignment to subconsciously point shoot. Thoughts?
You are correct. The number of people who are rubber stamping this type of advice with “great video” really are ignorant.
Develop a proper index and you don’t NEED to “find your sights.” They’re already there.
I've been shooting my entire life. I was a cop for 25 yrs. Speaking from experience, in a real-life shooting, you're not gonna be looking for sights. Fact.
Just develop an index and get to your sights faster. Put in the work. No need for tricks or gimmicks. Combat shooting, tactical shooting, competition shooting, etc. It’s all the same, shooting is shooting.
Point shooting is fun to practice, I use my left thumb as described in this video. Repetition is the key gentlemen.
"gentleMEN"?
HOW DARE YOU? 😂
No seeing your sights is key
👍🙌👏
Tlrd: point your gun and shoot