I just got an A1 in 2024 and I couldn’t be happier!!! It’s soo good, the autofocus is just insane, really and the 50mp create stunning images + the mechanical shutter sound is soo quiet that eliminates the need of using the silent shutter like Magic stated!!! For me the A1 is still The One!!!
Started with A7 IV and it was excellent camera that sync with me except the mechanical shutter was very loud. Upgraded to A7R V and it was feature powerhouse with wonderful 61MP to crop from and the mechanical shutter is half as loud as the A7 IV but still to loud in many events while the hit rate went down and does not feel as in sync when pressing the shutter. Upgraded to A1 and the silent electronic shutter is all I used now even started doing indoor sports photography without any flicker issue even not turning on the anti flicker feature. The 120/s AF/AE calculation shows up in the hit rate and still able to crop very nicely. I looked at A9III and can't really go back to 24MP once I tasted the potential of large MP sensor. Don't have enough need for flash sync speed over 1/500s right now.
I am still perfectly fine using my A7 IVs, they are just very well balanced cameras that are very capable in most situations, yet they don't break the bank. So for now, I'll use them for some more time. The question is whether I may replace them one day with A7 V but I don't think it will come out this year (and it's not really needed anyway). I'm kinda starting to think about what features it may have. I'm expecting that the new type of screen, 2 CFExpress Type A slots and the AI unit are a no brainer. I still hope there is more to come. If A9 III was able to bring global shutter, then I think it would be nice for A7 V to have a stacked sensor for under $ 3000. And if not so, then definitely a better sensor with faster readout is absolutely necessary so that it can handle 4K 60p without crop.
A7IV is a beatiful camera and does not fall behind the other 3 as much, as the difference is price! If A7V comes with stacked sensor and will bring functional silent shutter then it's all we need tbh
Thanks for this really helpful overview. I shoot on an a7iv and I think I prefer it over the a7Rv (lighter body with better in low light). If I upgrade (or get another camera body) it might be for the a7cR. I’d love that for travel and as a second body for events.
I think A9II is probably the best all round still, for price, silent shutter and not massive files. I shoot 2x A9II. I have an A7RV also and the way you shot primes in MRaw is very cool but I dont do video at all so for me my A9II set up is still ideal. Sony really have flooded the market with amazing choice which is so refreshing. There is something for everyone when everyone's needs are very unique to them! BUT Seriously, but the ability to add our presets to in camera JPEGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This would be the greatest change in our lives man!
You take on topics in a well-organized and to-the-point manner that I really enjoy. It feels like we're having a conversation where I've posed five questions and you're responding directly to them. Thanks! Now I'm waiting for a1 MkII to drive down prices of used a1, because I encounter a lot of flickering LED lights and displays in corporate event venues, and banding is getting to be a headache with my a7IV and a7RV. All-silent with no banding is the way I'd like to go, and flash sync with silent up to 1/200s would do the trick.
I am in the same situation but rafher go for a1ii if gets better specs overall….24mpx and lowest quality brings me down meanwhile newest technology and 1/16000 with global makes me want it
Great video and all pros and cons from a photographers point of view explained, but from a videographers point of view, the A7IV delivers the best 4K video quality. The reason is that 7K to 4K downsampling is better than downsampling from 8K or more. If you have twice as many pixels, you either skip every second pixel and line (line skipping) which increases the information distance between the pixels or you combine two pixels and lines (pixel bining) which decreases the sharpness when downsampling to 4K. So 33 mp is not only the sweetspot for photography but also the sweetspot for the sharpest video by downsampling to 4K. When video is as important as the photos, the A7IV or the A9III are better than the higher resolution cameras.
I like how you get people moving and then get natural photos. The A9III is a fantastic tool for such shooting with fast GM lenses. But honestly, most of us have to make do with the cheaper variant :) I have an a7iv with GM 1.4 lenses and it' s seriously very good for wedding photographer work.
Thanks man! Yup A9III is beautiful. But to be 100% transparent with you - if not for this youtube channel / workshops I host with Sony, I would never considering buying A9III for just wedding photography myself. For weddings in Europe (with european rates for wedding photographers) it just not reasonable - unless you're shooting very high volume to justify that spending. That is why I feel like the price is a huge deciding factor and put it in the cons of both A1 and A9III for weddings.
Are the A1 45MP files size more manageable than the A7RV or about the same? And does the A1 also have the medium lossless raw option as well to reduce the megapixels?
I own A1 A9 and A7IV all great cameras. A7IV is amazing value for money and I would have no worries shooting a wedding or event with it. I do love the silent shutters of both my A9 and A1 both amazing cameras. Since buying the A1 it's made me realise just how good the A9mki is, even today it's a fantastic camera. For now the A1 will remain my main camera with A9 as the second body. Only thing the A1 is not as good as the A9, is moiré . I shoot people in front of a large LCD screen a lot and moiré is a pain. It's harder to combat on the A1 than the A9. Would love to know how the A9MKIII copes with this type of moiré.
You have a nice set Nick, and yeah A1 is a beauty. A9 mark 1 is still a beast performance wise, it just suffer the age being less ergonomic and doesn’t have all the newer fancy features. And it’s not at all capable of doing any video 🙈
I’m still using the original A9. More pixels would be nice and a higher res flip screen but I still think it’s a great camera… if you can get a good one second hand…
any pointers as to why the A9II EVF would show so many artifacts ( purple blue moire ) and has so little resolution especially while half pressing the shutter during focusing?
I know it wasn't part of the video, but for starting in wedding photography, would you recommend going for a second A7III and using the difference to buy equipment and lenses or go for the A7IV to future proof? I already have an A7III and I'm considering the A7IV but I'm just starting out.
Yup! Third generation Sony cameras are 100% sufficient for wedding photography, and I’d say lenses > cameras. The moment you feel that camera limits you, then it’s time to upgrade
Great summary! I use the A7S3, A7M4, and A7R5. Still have an older RX10iv in the closet! All bought used, along with most lenses. Sadly, the S3 is not getting much love, as the focus mapping is just too convenient on the newer models.
Hi Magic, Do you know in the a7rV where you can turn the eye/face focus off? I keep getting officiant's face rather than rings :). Thanks! for any info. I like this camera but trying to get better at cutting out noise.
I use 2 x A9II for stills with silent shooting, which are bargains used. My third body is A7RV. This way I get perfect silent shooting at a sensible 24mp plus the beauty of 61mp for ultimate studio quality and the latest bells and whistles. If I sold all 3 bodies It would get me ONE A9III. I'll stick with what I have.
any pointers as to why the A9II EVF would show so many artifacts ( purple blue moire ) and has so little resolution especially while half pressing the shutter during focusing?
I know you had to mention the new a9 mark 3, but A9 mark 2 is still an amazing camera for weddings and a lot cheaper now with a9 mark 3 being realised, If i had to change anything on the mark 2 it would be the view finder and the back screen. while they are not horrible, but after having the Rv its hard to un see it! 🤣 The focus system is almost on par with a1 if not the same. The low light capabilities is simply amazing and blows a74 and Rv out of the water. Yes its 24 mega pixels, but that is IMO perfect for weddings. it is a little older than the A1, but still very relevant today. You could pick up an very good condition one for 2k or new for 3.5k. 20 frames a second on electric shutter for confetti is enough, though I friggin loved your 120 demo of the couple in the snow.I can see a use for that. I have had a play with the A9 mark 3 and the body is the best Sony has made to date, simply amazing! Great vid as always Magic, thank you!
Yes. I actually had it covered in my last years video. A9II is an amazing camera - AF performance, files, shutter but have one huge downside - not capable of doing any video... no picture profiles, no eye af with tracking etc. Which is fine if you're not doing any video.
Thanks for your reply man!!! Yeah that is a massive thing if you are a hybrid shooter! Didn't think of that only because i am mainly Photo. If I do any video it will be on the a7r5. The a9 mark 3 is very tempting though!! Will hold fire to see if a A1 mark 2 appears! Though that will possibly require almost a house deposit to buy 🤣 Thanks again for amazing content! @@MagicWeddingPhotographer
any pointers as to why the A9II EVF would show so many artifacts ( purple blue moire ) and has so little resolution especially while half pressing the shutter during focusing?
I shoot the A7iv and the original A9. The A7iv is a great all arounder and the A9 has me covered with silent shutter. Image quality is great on the A9 and it only cost like $1,400 USD used today.
I have the same setup but really frustrated by the mechanical shutter of the original A9. It's laggy when used with flash so I feel like I reach for the A7IV more.
Coming from a seasoned wedding photographer: 1. If you’re on a budget, get a used Sony a9 for $1300. It’s an extremely capable camera and in some instances it focuses better than Sony a1 (watch out for a loose hot shoe). 2. If you’re not on a budget, get a Sony a1. It didn’t impress me as much as a9 back in the day, but it’s still worth it if you buy it used ($4500). My main cameras always have stacked sensors, because I don’t want the bokeh to be distorted in bright scenarios. 3. If you don’t really care about bokeh in bright conditions or f1.4 lenses looking like f1.8 lenses aren’t a problem for you, get a7IV, the rotating display is worth it, and 33Mp is almost like the old a7R. I personally shoot with Sony a1+primes and Sony a7RIV+zooms, because I appreciate extra resolution and the availability to zoom in digitally.
Good take, thanks for sharing! A9 is still a beast, slightly lacking in the ergonomics due to the old sony design and many photographers reported a lot of issues with shutter button.
Haven’t tried sigma yet. But if you’re on a budget then yes for sigma. If you want to have 1st party lens it comes with everything Sony has to offer camera wise to its own lenses - focus breathing compensation, 30fps on a1, 120 on a9iii etc,
@@Chow0012 Also, I'd suggest that it depends on what camera body you are using. With A7 IV or A7R V the Sigma would be fine but with the fast bodies it's important to keep in mind that it will still be limited to 15 fps.
@@Chow0012 From what I know now I'd guess the bokeh rendition is very similar and so is the autofocus but I haven't tried the Sigma yet. In my opinion, the best way is to rent both lenses and test which of them better suits your particular needs. Also, it's good to think about the budget and also how high your expectations are. I'd guess that both lenses are pretty good 🙂
Great video. Aside from rolling shutter (banding) issues with a7IV, the mechanical shutter is the lowest quality compared to the others as well, so if you are shooting a lot with it, even if it lasts (which many don’t) to the rated 200k, it’s still much lower than the others which (I think) are rated to 500k. The a7IV would probably be my last choice since the potential shutter issues would give me anxiety. - I use mine primarily in electronic/silent shutter mode since I’m mostly shooting landscape with it. Now my a7IV is my ‘b-cam’ since I got a7RIV When the A1 II comes out, that will likely be very good. But yeah, crazy expensive… 😢
You’re probably right, although as far as I’m aware Sony officially doesn’t rate their shutters. There is no “guaranteed” or “supposed” frames you can take with it
@@JosefFotiMostly labor costs, I hear around $600 -ish in the USA. My biggest concern would be going to catch the special moments of a ceremony and have the shutter crash, which happens with some people with fairly low shutter counts.
@@MagicWeddingPhotographerNo guarantee, no (though, that would be nice). From the A7RIV brochure from Sony: "The shutter is also quiet, and has been tested for durability in excess of 500,000 shutter cycles." (tested/rated whatever you want to call it). I just see the crashed/broken shutters fairly often in the forums on a7III and a7IV often with pretty low shutter counts on some of them, and it doesn't really fill me with confidence that it will last... 🫤 Just hope Sony puts a better one in the a7V.
@@MagicWeddingPhotographerFrom the Sony A1 webpage: "High-reliability mechanical shutter Shutter vibration is minimized while allowing continuous bursts at up to 10fps. The new shutter unit with advanced motor, brake, and dampers is good for more than 500,000 cycles." - anyway, you get the idea. 🙂
Absolutely - it’s got a lot of great features that are hard to turn back from, but it’s biggest weakness is image noise after 2000iso (in slog3) and rolling shutter, if you like whip pans. Wish Sony would roll out internal LUT support for it also.
Had really bad experience on my Sony a7iv funny issues a bad copy beside slow for sports and it turn on slow as well it wasn’t for me . The best camera for wedding for me was a9ii
Awesome comparison..Magic..for me and my pro work..my work hoarse is the A7RV's..the only thing that kinda bugs me about the camera..is the fact that Sony still put and or chose to have 10FPS!! obviously its still does the job but It's so crazy!!!..kinda lazy on Sonys part in my opinion..but come on 10FPS has been in the last 3 iterations of the R line!!!..20 FPS should be at least the standard in the R and 7 lines going forward!..im not asking for crazy FPS like the A1 or the newer A9III of course thats overkill..haha ..I just think 10FPS should be gotten rid of!.. it's going to be 2025, 2026,2027 before you know it..and that gives Sony time to fix this issue!!..haha I hope by the next iteration A7R6 they bump up the FPS!!..please Sony!..lol
Not a wedding photographer, but I looked at some a7r5 RAW files and was surprised by the amount of noise at ISO 800 to 1600..granted it's luminance noise. Yes, you can use DXO PureRaw...but noise also affects how much shadow detail that you can recover and you'll see the noise even more when you crop.
@@rnrnrkrk994 it’s not the same. Pixels are smaller. You’re just taking a smaller portion of an image with the same pixel pitch. The dynamic range is still impacted at the higher iso values. Again, there are benefits to higher pixel counts. There are also drawbacks. For some, noise isn’t that important. Magic is right. If you expose accurately, it’s not too bad. I don’t even shoot in ISOs above 1600 very often, personally. I wouldn’t mind the extra pixels for situations where I’d like to crop to a square format. Then again, the 22 megapixels I have when I do that kind of crop on my A7IV is more than enough. I can still make nice large prints, if I want. They’re all great cameras.
@@Daniel_Zalman please check out the explanation done here (and many other if you search on TH-cam) th-cam.com/video/VSFqCnzIe9M/w-d-xo.htmlsi=HzlwwOxztigtthjv You're right that the 61MP has smaller pixel but people are misunderstanding the concept of "high megapixel = bad bc of higher noise" a bit. Sony A7siii for example has less megapixel for trading off for bigger pixel size and less noise per pixel. But the sensor is still full frame. With A7rV, in the same full frame, you have nearly twice the megapixel (61 vs 12). If you downsize A7rV photo down to 12 megapixel you get an effect of pixel binning (not exactly but effectively reducing the noise). That's what I meant.
@@rnrnrkrk994 i see. Basically, if you printed an 8 by 10 from either camera, you’d see approximately the same amount of noise. He’s say that you have to downsize, in our case, the a7r5 to the 33 megapixels of the a7iv for a fair comparison. DXOMark gives the a7iv the very slightest edge in high iso performance (which by their measure isn’t noticeable, it’s less than 1/3 EV). I’m going to downsample an a7r5 image and compare it to an a7iv image with the same ISO and compare…for fun. My only issue is that I would probably need to upgrade my computer with more RAM to process the larger files of the a7r5….if I were to ever get a camera with that many megapixels.
Thank you for the video. I own the A7RV and A1 so I’m covered and really like the 1/400s flash sync speed of the A1. Also have A7CII and A7CR but with the single card slot use them for compact travel. A9III is interesting but prefer the higher resolution options and have not jumped to that yet. Sold my A7IV for A7CII and like the 33 Mpixel option. Take care.
But that's not Sony :) And while Canon has amazing cameras, I feel like lens choice is still limited - either big and really expensive, I don't think they have 35/1.4 yet, which is the key lens for most of wedding folks, and no support for 3rd party still...
@@MagicWeddingPhotographer completely agree I personally use a 50 1.2 and ef 24 1.4 I would love to have Sony prime lenses on a canon body, but that’s never going to happen 😂
any pointers as to why the A9II EVF would show so many artifacts ( purple blue moire ) and has so little resolution especially while half pressing the shutter during focusing?
I'm selling my A7RVs and want to try A9III this wedding season. Just to see what's better for me. But with 100% transparency - I have the luxury of working with Sony, I'm able to test a lot of gear, host workshops etc and probably wouldn't be doing that switch if not that.
@@MagicWeddingPhotographer I got both , the A7RV and now the A9III, I am still testing the A9III and not 100% if I will keep it, for sports I am creating so many files that culling, even with photomechanical, is becoming an issue , I will probably will need a NAS to keep the growing files, I would be interested to see your review on the A9III after you use for a few weddings
@@MagicWeddingPhotographer Hi Magic, looking forward to your reviewiing of the A9III for weddings, and hear if the croping limitation (compared with the A7RV) is an issue, I have both, and not sure if I willl keep the A9III ,still evaluating
@@MagicWeddingPhotographer Hi Magic, you lucky that you can try so many great gear as a Sony ambassador. I tried the A9III and returned it, my final assessment was that this camera is very niche oriented to sports photographers , I was hoping that it could be more versatile, the 24MP does not allow to crop like I do with my A7RV, that is a major limitation for bird in flight, unless you have a 13K lens zoom (i.e. 400 or 600 GMs). For indoor events I did not find any major advantage vs the A7RV or my A7CII, in the end, I could not justify the 6K price and retuned it. I would really like to see the next gen of Sony , i.e. an A7V with 40MP, ability to shoot 30+ FPS and dual ISO with great dynamic range and low noise for 4K .....I would buy that camera in a heart beat without any remorse
The only pushback I'd offer here is that the A7RV isn't really good for video. Rolling shutter is really bad and the detail out of it isn't great. The A7IV is the best price for money. The A1 is the most expensive, but the best.
I'm answering the most asked question I get almost daily in my DMs from fellow wedding photographers. Not sure if there's another wedding photographer discussing those cameras based on experience. If you can share some interesting videos you've seen on the subject - I would love to see that.
I've watched lots of other videos about each of these cameras, but this one is by far the best at organizing the information for making decisions between them.
a 9iii is a total floap as far as strobes and flashes and studio photography flashes do not keep up with strobes it needs to be setup manually each time for speed syncs and color shifts constantly and picture resolution fails above apertures of f5.6 noise is horrible its totaly not for studio whatever you are selling or preaching is wrong ! the only point that A93 stand at is videography its the biggest selling point. I had the camera for about 3 weeks and i was totaly happy to have used it for videograohy but when it came to photography wedding portraits , macro- birds fast action ( Resolution, ISO ----) ,studio and overall usage A1 is still the best by far
what strobes are you talking about? I have no experience in studio work and probably wouldn't consider A9III for studio camera - not enough megapixels, no need for that kind of speed in the studio. But I've used it with bunch of Profoto lights outdoors and it works with zero issues.
not sure what are you referring to, but we're talking using flash at weddings, correct? And how A9III can be used with flash for wedding photography, which is what I do for living. I personally haven't encounter any issues (yet) using on-camera and off-camera Profoto a1x, a10 or any of the b-series. @@yohannsphotographyvideogra9542
@@MagicWeddingPhotographer profoto studio strobes b10x plus have u ever used monolights ? So i see you dont get it this camera is not for studio portrait photography and i wont use it for any photography neither cause resolution is not enough and for sure u cant crop as well and noise level is not clean as well so if you want info on studio and portrait once its not the right camera
It boggles the mind that wedding photography existed before the error of mirrorless cameras with supreme autofocusing and low-light capabilities. How in the world did photographers get "the shot" back in the day? 😜
@@tonygerassi1502 Yes, I think you are right. The thing is that definitely a good photographer could get the shot back in the day but with the technology we have today, it's much easier. Also, I would argue that the overall technical quality is on a different level these days.
That comment has to be from someone who Doesn't shoot weddings. 😂 As a Wedding Photographer who started with Film, the DSLR and now ML, there is no comparison. Brides now don't won't a few good shots they want 100's and they want them asap. ML allows NO shutter sound so that the photographer can be unobtrusive. We also have flash sync speeds higher than we've ever had. I shoot Sony mirrorless and Hasselblad mirrorless so flash sync speeds are not a limitation anymore, and who would not want to be able to see their exposure before they take the image that eliminates a lot of editing in post-production. Plus with the ability to make color profiles different camera brands can be used at a wedding seamlessly
A bit bitter of a comment. Times have changed. Yes we shot slower and more intentionally with analog or the earlier DSLRs. Doesn't mean that we can't utilise the modern tech.
It does, but the sensor has slow read out speed, so it's not very reliable. If you shoot fast action, it will suffer from rolling shutter and it has the problem with banding under most artificial lights that are not specifically made for photography.
I just got an A1 in 2024 and I couldn’t be happier!!! It’s soo good, the autofocus is just insane, really and the 50mp create stunning images + the mechanical shutter sound is soo quiet that eliminates the need of using the silent shutter like Magic stated!!! For me the A1 is still The One!!!
Started with A7 IV and it was excellent camera that sync with me except the mechanical shutter was very loud. Upgraded to A7R V and it was feature powerhouse with wonderful 61MP to crop from and the mechanical shutter is half as loud as the A7 IV but still to loud in many events while the hit rate went down and does not feel as in sync when pressing the shutter. Upgraded to A1 and the silent electronic shutter is all I used now even started doing indoor sports photography without any flicker issue even not turning on the anti flicker feature. The 120/s AF/AE calculation shows up in the hit rate and still able to crop very nicely. I looked at A9III and can't really go back to 24MP once I tasted the potential of large MP sensor. Don't have enough need for flash sync speed over 1/500s right now.
I am still perfectly fine using my A7 IVs, they are just very well balanced cameras that are very capable in most situations, yet they don't break the bank. So for now, I'll use them for some more time. The question is whether I may replace them one day with A7 V but I don't think it will come out this year (and it's not really needed anyway). I'm kinda starting to think about what features it may have. I'm expecting that the new type of screen, 2 CFExpress Type A slots and the AI unit are a no brainer. I still hope there is more to come. If A9 III was able to bring global shutter, then I think it would be nice for A7 V to have a stacked sensor for under $ 3000. And if not so, then definitely a better sensor with faster readout is absolutely necessary so that it can handle 4K 60p without crop.
A7IV is a beatiful camera and does not fall behind the other 3 as much, as the difference is price! If A7V comes with stacked sensor and will bring functional silent shutter then it's all we need tbh
Thanks for this really helpful overview. I shoot on an a7iv and I think I prefer it over the a7Rv (lighter body with better in low light). If I upgrade (or get another camera body) it might be for the a7cR. I’d love that for travel and as a second body for events.
Yeah, the A7C gen 2 series are amazing for travel and as add-on to the big boys.
I think A9II is probably the best all round still, for price, silent shutter and not massive files. I shoot 2x A9II. I have an A7RV also and the way you shot primes in MRaw is very cool but I dont do video at all so for me my A9II set up is still ideal.
Sony really have flooded the market with amazing choice which is so refreshing. There is something for everyone when everyone's needs are very unique to them!
BUT Seriously, but the ability to add our presets to in camera JPEGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This would be the greatest change in our lives man!
If you don't do video and don't need megapixels then A9II is a perfect camera.
It's still pretty expensive. It's $5000.
+1 on A9II
You take on topics in a well-organized and to-the-point manner that I really enjoy. It feels like we're having a conversation where I've posed five questions and you're responding directly to them. Thanks!
Now I'm waiting for a1 MkII to drive down prices of used a1, because I encounter a lot of flickering LED lights and displays in corporate event venues, and banding is getting to be a headache with my a7IV and a7RV. All-silent with no banding is the way I'd like to go, and flash sync with silent up to 1/200s would do the trick.
I am in the same situation but rafher go for a1ii if gets better specs overall….24mpx and lowest quality brings me down meanwhile newest technology and 1/16000 with global makes me want it
Great video and all pros and cons from a photographers point of view explained, but from a videographers point of view, the A7IV delivers the best 4K video quality. The reason is that 7K to 4K downsampling is better than downsampling from 8K or more. If you have twice as many pixels, you either skip every second pixel and line (line skipping) which increases the information distance between the pixels or you combine two pixels and lines (pixel bining) which decreases the sharpness when downsampling to 4K. So 33 mp is not only the sweetspot for photography but also the sweetspot for the sharpest video by downsampling to 4K. When video is as important as the photos, the A7IV or the A9III are better than the higher resolution cameras.
I like how you get people moving and then get natural photos. The A9III is a fantastic tool for such shooting with fast GM lenses. But honestly, most of us have to make do with the cheaper variant :) I have an a7iv with GM 1.4 lenses and it' s seriously very good for wedding photographer work.
Thanks man! Yup A9III is beautiful. But to be 100% transparent with you - if not for this youtube channel / workshops I host with Sony, I would never considering buying A9III for just wedding photography myself. For weddings in Europe (with european rates for wedding photographers) it just not reasonable - unless you're shooting very high volume to justify that spending. That is why I feel like the price is a huge deciding factor and put it in the cons of both A1 and A9III for weddings.
Are the A1 45MP files size more manageable than the A7RV or about the same? And does the A1 also have the medium lossless raw option as well to reduce the megapixels?
A1's files are 50 megapixels and yes it does have different raw compressions
@@yusei151 Thanks, hope Sony does a Z8 type camera at same price.
yup, but medium RAW on A1 is 21mp, which in my opinion is too low for shooting this way all day.
@@MagicWeddingPhotographer Thanks Magic, that's useful to know.
I own A1 A9 and A7IV all great cameras. A7IV is amazing value for money and I would have no worries shooting a wedding or event with it. I do love the silent shutters of both my A9 and A1 both amazing cameras. Since buying the A1 it's made me realise just how good the A9mki is, even today it's a fantastic camera. For now the A1 will remain my main camera with A9 as the second body. Only thing the A1 is not as good as the A9, is moiré . I shoot people in front of a large LCD screen a lot and moiré is a pain. It's harder to combat on the A1 than the A9. Would love to know how the A9MKIII copes with this type of moiré.
You have a nice set Nick, and yeah A1 is a beauty. A9 mark 1 is still a beast performance wise, it just suffer the age being less ergonomic and doesn’t have all the newer fancy features. And it’s not at all capable of doing any video 🙈
I’m still using the original A9. More pixels would be nice and a higher res flip screen but I still think it’s a great camera… if you can get a good one second hand…
any pointers as to why the A9II EVF would show so many artifacts ( purple blue moire ) and has so little resolution especially while half pressing the shutter during focusing?
I know it wasn't part of the video, but for starting in wedding photography, would you recommend going for a second A7III and using the difference to buy equipment and lenses or go for the A7IV to future proof? I already have an A7III and I'm considering the A7IV but I'm just starting out.
Yup! Third generation Sony cameras are 100% sufficient for wedding photography, and I’d say lenses > cameras. The moment you feel that camera limits you, then it’s time to upgrade
I would carry a SonyA7S III...and a Sony A7S IV...14mmGM...35mm GM...55mm Zeiss Sonnar...Sony 24-105mm G...Sony 70-200mm GM
Great summary! I use the A7S3, A7M4, and A7R5. Still have an older RX10iv in the closet! All bought used, along with most lenses. Sadly, the S3 is not getting much love, as the focus mapping is just too convenient on the newer models.
You have forgot video stabilization: on A9 and A7RV it's much better on long mm. There are videos with demonstration on TH-cam
It’s a good point! I guess I personally haven’t experienced that difference shooting mainly “short” lenses like 24-35-50
Yes he want to get the viewers only
3*fx3 and 3*A7iv perfect for my need
Hi Magic- great work! Just a question: how is the rolling shutter on your 7RV on 26MP... is it (better) to shoot in silent mode? Best, Kim
Would you say A9III and Nikon z8 are compatible?
Hi Magic, Do you know in the a7rV where you can turn the eye/face focus off? I keep getting officiant's face rather than rings :). Thanks! for any info. I like this camera but trying to get better at cutting out noise.
I use 2 x A9II for stills with silent shooting, which are bargains used. My third body is A7RV. This way I get perfect silent shooting at a sensible 24mp plus the beauty of 61mp for ultimate studio quality and the latest bells and whistles. If I sold all 3 bodies It would get me ONE A9III. I'll stick with what I have.
any pointers as to why the A9II EVF would show so many artifacts ( purple blue moire ) and has so little resolution especially while half pressing the shutter during focusing?
I am using sony a7r5 and sony a7c as a back up camera.
I know you had to mention the new a9 mark 3, but A9 mark 2 is still an amazing camera for weddings and a lot cheaper now with a9 mark 3 being realised, If i had to change anything on the mark 2 it would be the view finder and the back screen. while they are not horrible, but after having the Rv its hard to un see it! 🤣 The focus system is almost on par with a1 if not the same. The low light capabilities is simply amazing and blows a74 and Rv out of the water. Yes its 24 mega pixels, but that is IMO perfect for weddings. it is a little older than the A1, but still very relevant today. You could pick up an very good condition one for 2k or new for 3.5k. 20 frames a second on electric shutter for confetti is enough, though I friggin loved your 120 demo of the couple in the snow.I can see a use for that. I have had a play with the A9 mark 3 and the body is the best Sony has made to date, simply amazing! Great vid as always Magic, thank you!
Yes. I actually had it covered in my last years video. A9II is an amazing camera - AF performance, files, shutter but have one huge downside - not capable of doing any video... no picture profiles, no eye af with tracking etc. Which is fine if you're not doing any video.
Thanks for your reply man!!! Yeah that is a massive thing if you are a hybrid shooter! Didn't think of that only because i am mainly Photo. If I do any video it will be on the a7r5. The a9 mark 3 is very tempting though!! Will hold fire to see if a A1 mark 2 appears! Though that will possibly require almost a house deposit to buy 🤣 Thanks again for amazing content! @@MagicWeddingPhotographer
Tempting, but I've been led to believe the a9II doesn't sync flash with electronic shutter. Is this true. I'd love to be wrong.
@@HappeningPhotos sadly it doesn’t 😭
any pointers as to why the A9II EVF would show so many artifacts ( purple blue moire ) and has so little resolution especially while half pressing the shutter during focusing?
When you shot with the sony a7rv and switched to 26mp, did you notice the dynamic range working well in low lighting?
@@e11apak Nope
I shoot the A7iv and the original A9. The A7iv is a great all arounder and the A9 has me covered with silent shutter. Image quality is great on the A9 and it only cost like $1,400 USD used today.
I have the same setup but really frustrated by the mechanical shutter of the original A9. It's laggy when used with flash so I feel like I reach for the A7IV more.
Would of been nice to add to this list Sony A9 II, what is your take on it Magic? I saw that go for about 2-3k second hand.
Coming from a seasoned wedding photographer:
1. If you’re on a budget, get a used Sony a9 for $1300. It’s an extremely capable camera and in some instances it focuses better than Sony a1 (watch out for a loose hot shoe).
2. If you’re not on a budget, get a Sony a1. It didn’t impress me as much as a9 back in the day, but it’s still worth it if you buy it used ($4500). My main cameras always have stacked sensors, because I don’t want the bokeh to be distorted in bright scenarios.
3. If you don’t really care about bokeh in bright conditions or f1.4 lenses looking like f1.8 lenses aren’t a problem for you, get a7IV, the rotating display is worth it, and 33Mp is almost like the old a7R.
I personally shoot with Sony a1+primes and Sony a7RIV+zooms, because I appreciate extra resolution and the availability to zoom in digitally.
Good take, thanks for sharing! A9 is still a beast, slightly lacking in the ergonomics due to the old sony design and many photographers reported a lot of issues with shutter button.
What do you mean bokeh is worse in bright conditions with a7IV?
Look up “front electronic curtain and bokeh”.
Because with A9 you can go up to 1/32000 with F1.4 lenses. A74 only 1/8000
@@White_Thorn_Media that's fine but that has nothing to do with the quality of bokeh
Magic would you recommend Sigma 50mm 1.2 or the Sony 50mm GM 1.2?
Haven’t tried sigma yet. But if you’re on a budget then yes for sigma. If you want to have 1st party lens it comes with everything Sony has to offer camera wise to its own lenses - focus breathing compensation, 30fps on a1, 120 on a9iii etc,
Thank you@@MagicWeddingPhotographer
@@Chow0012 Also, I'd suggest that it depends on what camera body you are using. With A7 IV or A7R V the Sigma would be fine but with the fast bodies it's important to keep in mind that it will still be limited to 15 fps.
I'm using an A7IV, but for me most important is the video auto focus continuous tracking reliability and the bokeh rendering@@JosefFoti
@@Chow0012 From what I know now I'd guess the bokeh rendition is very similar and so is the autofocus but I haven't tried the Sigma yet. In my opinion, the best way is to rent both lenses and test which of them better suits your particular needs. Also, it's good to think about the budget and also how high your expectations are. I'd guess that both lenses are pretty good 🙂
So what's the best competitor for a9iii that can shot 120 ps but has more megapixels like a1????
@@boxinggloves87 none
I am currently shooting on Sony a1 it's mind blowing
A1 baby!
Great info. thanks for sharing your thoughts Magic.
My pleasure!
Great video. Aside from rolling shutter (banding) issues with a7IV, the mechanical shutter is the lowest quality compared to the others as well, so if you are shooting a lot with it, even if it lasts (which many don’t) to the rated 200k, it’s still much lower than the others which (I think) are rated to 500k. The a7IV would probably be my last choice since the potential shutter issues would give me anxiety. - I use mine primarily in electronic/silent shutter mode since I’m mostly shooting landscape with it. Now my a7IV is my ‘b-cam’ since I got a7RIV
When the A1 II comes out, that will likely be very good. But yeah, crazy expensive… 😢
You’re probably right, although as far as I’m aware Sony officially doesn’t rate their shutters. There is no “guaranteed” or “supposed” frames you can take with it
I guess the A7 IV shutter would also be the cheapest to replace from the bunch. I still sleep well using this camera 🙂
@@JosefFotiMostly labor costs, I hear around $600 -ish in the USA. My biggest concern would be going to catch the special moments of a ceremony and have the shutter crash, which happens with some people with fairly low shutter counts.
@@MagicWeddingPhotographerNo guarantee, no (though, that would be nice). From the A7RIV brochure from Sony: "The shutter is also quiet, and has been tested for durability in excess of 500,000 shutter cycles." (tested/rated whatever you want to call it). I just see the crashed/broken shutters fairly often in the forums on a7III and a7IV often with pretty low shutter counts on some of them, and it doesn't really fill me with confidence that it will last... 🫤 Just hope Sony puts a better one in the a7V.
@@MagicWeddingPhotographerFrom the Sony A1 webpage: "High-reliability mechanical shutter
Shutter vibration is minimized while allowing continuous bursts at up to 10fps. The new shutter unit with advanced motor, brake, and dampers is good for more than 500,000 cycles." - anyway, you get the idea. 🙂
Love this, how do you make your animations out of your photos?
Very nice information, can I use A7RV as a truly hybrid cam ?
Absolutely - it’s got a lot of great features that are hard to turn back from, but it’s biggest weakness is image noise after 2000iso (in slog3) and rolling shutter, if you like whip pans. Wish Sony would roll out internal LUT support for it also.
Had really bad experience on my Sony a7iv funny issues a bad copy beside slow for sports and it turn on slow as well it wasn’t for me . The best camera for wedding for me was a9ii
I am using a7iv, and for my type of work its the best cz its affordable 😄😄
It is :)
Awesome comparison..Magic..for me and my pro work..my work hoarse is the A7RV's..the only thing that kinda bugs me about the camera..is the fact that Sony still put and or chose to have 10FPS!! obviously its still does the job but It's so crazy!!!..kinda lazy on Sonys part in my opinion..but come on 10FPS has been in the last 3 iterations of the R line!!!..20 FPS should be at least the standard in the R and 7 lines going forward!..im not asking for crazy FPS like the A1 or the newer A9III of course thats overkill..haha ..I just think 10FPS should be gotten rid of!.. it's going to be 2025, 2026,2027 before you know it..and that gives Sony time to fix this issue!!..haha I hope by the next iteration A7R6 they bump up the FPS!!..please Sony!..lol
I agree with you. What's even worse when you shoot lossless medium RAW it's less then 10FPS!!!
Why is the A93 worse at hight ISO compared to the A92? But better than the A74 at hight ISO?
No one said that A9 III is better at high ISO than A7 IV. Because it's not.
A9iii and original A9. I have an a7iv but the autofocus sucks in comparison to the original a9.
still rocking the a9 mk 1 and love it
Great video bro 📸🙌✌️
Ottima recensione ma la a 26 mp la sony a7r5 i files hanno la stessa gamma dinamica dei 61 mp
I’m shooting a Canon R3 and thinking of changing to Sony 😮
Have you used a Sony with its truly awful endless menus? Canon may be down on features but they make life simpler.
@@f.kieranfinney457 oh no, Sony is a bad camera because menu is too difficult …
Not a wedding photographer, but I looked at some a7r5 RAW files and was surprised by the amount of noise at ISO 800 to 1600..granted it's luminance noise. Yes, you can use DXO PureRaw...but noise also affects how much shadow detail that you can recover and you'll see the noise even more when you crop.
For weddings you can easily shoot 6400 iso on A7RV when exposed correctly. But I guess it’s a personal preference of how much clean image you want
Its 61 MP.. you can (and most likely) downsize the image so pixel level noise is none issue.. Effectively hiding the noise.
@@rnrnrkrk994 it’s not the same. Pixels are smaller. You’re just taking a smaller portion of an image with the same pixel pitch. The dynamic range is still impacted at the higher iso values. Again, there are benefits to higher pixel counts. There are also drawbacks. For some, noise isn’t that important. Magic is right. If you expose accurately, it’s not too bad. I don’t even shoot in ISOs above 1600 very often, personally. I wouldn’t mind the extra pixels for situations where I’d like to crop to a square format. Then again, the 22 megapixels I have when I do that kind of crop on my A7IV is more than enough. I can still make nice large prints, if I want. They’re all great cameras.
@@Daniel_Zalman please check out the explanation done here (and many other if you search on TH-cam) th-cam.com/video/VSFqCnzIe9M/w-d-xo.htmlsi=HzlwwOxztigtthjv
You're right that the 61MP has smaller pixel but people are misunderstanding the concept of "high megapixel = bad bc of higher noise" a bit. Sony A7siii for example has less megapixel for trading off for bigger pixel size and less noise per pixel. But the sensor is still full frame. With A7rV, in the same full frame, you have nearly twice the megapixel (61 vs 12). If you downsize A7rV photo down to 12 megapixel you get an effect of pixel binning (not exactly but effectively reducing the noise). That's what I meant.
@@rnrnrkrk994 i see. Basically, if you printed an 8 by 10 from either camera, you’d see approximately the same amount of noise. He’s say that you have to downsize, in our case, the a7r5 to the 33 megapixels of the a7iv for a fair comparison. DXOMark gives the a7iv the very slightest edge in high iso performance (which by their measure isn’t noticeable, it’s less than 1/3 EV). I’m going to downsample an a7r5 image and compare it to an a7iv image with the same ISO and compare…for fun. My only issue is that I would probably need to upgrade my computer with more RAM to process the larger files of the a7r5….if I were to ever get a camera with that many megapixels.
A6700 good for wedding and birthday photographys 😢 please say
Technically yes, but I wouldn’t use it :( it has just one memory card slot
Thank you for the video. I own the A7RV and A1 so I’m covered and really like the 1/400s flash sync speed of the A1. Also have A7CII and A7CR but with the single card slot use them for compact travel. A9III is interesting but prefer the higher resolution options and have not jumped to that yet. Sold my A7IV for A7CII and like the 33 Mpixel option. Take care.
Whats your opinion on the lowlight performance on the a7rv ?
a6100 the best Sony Camera for Wedding.
Canon r6 mkii £2100
40 fps
4k oversampled from 6k up to 60fps with no crop
The best hybrid wedding camera on the market IMO
But that's not Sony :) And while Canon has amazing cameras, I feel like lens choice is still limited - either big and really expensive, I don't think they have 35/1.4 yet, which is the key lens for most of wedding folks, and no support for 3rd party still...
@@MagicWeddingPhotographer completely agree
I personally use a 50 1.2 and ef 24 1.4
I would love to have Sony prime lenses on a canon body, but that’s never going to happen 😂
*A7RV RULES !!!*
I would like it but...cant afford...have a Sony A7S III...great camera...was not cheap
a1 tops it all
I must say that I love the colorful clothes you wear 😅
The original a9 or a9ii is still very capable of high speed and silent shooting at an affordable price.
Yes
any pointers as to why the A9II EVF would show so many artifacts ( purple blue moire ) and has so little resolution especially while half pressing the shutter during focusing?
How about you ?......are you going to change to the A9III or continue shooting A7RVs?......
I'm selling my A7RVs and want to try A9III this wedding season. Just to see what's better for me. But with 100% transparency - I have the luxury of working with Sony, I'm able to test a lot of gear, host workshops etc and probably wouldn't be doing that switch if not that.
@@MagicWeddingPhotographer I got both , the A7RV and now the A9III, I am still testing the A9III and not 100% if I will keep it, for sports I am creating so many files that culling, even with photomechanical, is becoming an issue , I will probably will need a NAS to keep the growing files, I would be interested to see your review on the A9III after you use for a few weddings
@@MagicWeddingPhotographer Hi Magic, looking forward to your reviewiing of the A9III for weddings, and hear if the croping limitation (compared with the A7RV) is an issue, I have both, and not sure if I willl keep the A9III ,still evaluating
@@MagicWeddingPhotographer Hi Magic, you lucky that you can try so many great gear as a Sony ambassador. I tried the A9III and returned it, my final assessment was that this camera is very niche oriented to sports photographers , I was hoping that it could be more versatile, the 24MP does not allow to crop like I do with my A7RV, that is a major limitation for bird in flight, unless you have a 13K lens zoom (i.e. 400 or 600 GMs). For indoor events I did not find any major advantage vs the A7RV or my A7CII, in the end, I could not justify the 6K price and retuned it. I would really like to see the next gen of Sony , i.e. an A7V with 40MP, ability to shoot 30+ FPS and dual ISO with great dynamic range and low noise for 4K .....I would buy that camera in a heart beat without any remorse
A1 ii for the win when it’s released
Haha isn't always like that? Year ago it was "A9III when it's released" :P
А7 IV is happy medium
Yes it is!
A7RV + A7C
I would shoot ISO 25,600 and use the Lightroom denoise. Saved my arse many times.
Sony a9iii what else!
A7 IV I meant below...maybe we will see a Sony A7S IV soon?
A7V will be earlier…
I seriously think Sony would like us to buy them all. See how easy that was...
Yup. We're the losers here sadly in that trap of consumerism
The only pushback I'd offer here is that the A7RV isn't really good for video. Rolling shutter is really bad and the detail out of it isn't great. The A7IV is the best price for money. The A1 is the most expensive, but the best.
What is your Favorit? 😊
So far nothing matched the pleasure of shooting A1. But I think I'm going to move with A9III this year to see how much I like it
You are taking what everyone know and everyone talk on TH-cam. Can’t you’d some thing what others haven’t done
All these photography TH-camrs do is copy each other and talk about the latest gear. smh...
I'm answering the most asked question I get almost daily in my DMs from fellow wedding photographers. Not sure if there's another wedding photographer discussing those cameras based on experience. If you can share some interesting videos you've seen on the subject - I would love to see that.
I've watched lots of other videos about each of these cameras, but this one is by far the best at organizing the information for making decisions between them.
Sony A7Siii Best Video & Photo camera all around. Thank me later
I made it very easy (and expensive) for me...I own them all 😉
Haha this is the way
Which one is your favorite?
@@MagicWeddingPhotographer I often shoot wildlife and due to the crop possibilities I still love my A1 with the 50MP.
.... A9II
Pls explain frankly
a 9iii is a total floap as far as strobes and flashes and studio photography flashes do not keep up with strobes it needs to be setup manually each time for speed syncs and color shifts constantly and picture resolution fails above apertures of f5.6 noise is horrible its totaly not for studio whatever you are selling or preaching is wrong ! the only point that A93 stand at is videography its the biggest selling point. I had the camera for about 3 weeks and i was totaly happy to have used it for videograohy but when it came to photography wedding portraits , macro- birds fast action ( Resolution, ISO ----) ,studio and overall usage A1 is still the best by far
what strobes are you talking about? I have no experience in studio work and probably wouldn't consider A9III for studio camera - not enough megapixels, no need for that kind of speed in the studio. But I've used it with bunch of Profoto lights outdoors and it works with zero issues.
@@MagicWeddingPhotographer so its ok u dont understand anything about stdudio or flash photography so you are right we have nothing to talk about
not sure what are you referring to, but we're talking using flash at weddings, correct? And how A9III can be used with flash for wedding photography, which is what I do for living. I personally haven't encounter any issues (yet) using on-camera and off-camera Profoto a1x, a10 or any of the b-series. @@yohannsphotographyvideogra9542
@@MagicWeddingPhotographer profoto studio strobes b10x plus have u ever used monolights ? So i see you dont get it this camera is not for studio portrait photography and i wont use it for any photography neither cause resolution is not enough and for sure u cant crop as well and noise level is not clean as well so if you want info on studio and portrait once its not the right camera
It boggles the mind that wedding photography existed before the error of mirrorless cameras with supreme autofocusing and low-light capabilities. How in the world did photographers get "the shot" back in the day? 😜
Especially with film. I guess that’s why they were so expensive back in the day and not everyone could do it.
@@tonygerassi1502 Yes, I think you are right. The thing is that definitely a good photographer could get the shot back in the day but with the technology we have today, it's much easier. Also, I would argue that the overall technical quality is on a different level these days.
That comment has to be from someone who Doesn't shoot weddings. 😂
As a Wedding Photographer who started with Film, the DSLR and now ML, there is no comparison. Brides now don't won't a few good shots they want 100's and they want them asap. ML allows NO shutter sound so that the photographer can be unobtrusive. We also have flash sync speeds higher than we've ever had. I shoot Sony mirrorless and Hasselblad mirrorless so flash sync speeds are not a limitation anymore, and who would not want to be able to see their exposure before they take the image that eliminates a lot of editing in post-production. Plus with the ability to make color profiles different camera brands can be used at a wedding seamlessly
A bit bitter of a comment. Times have changed. Yes we shot slower and more intentionally with analog or the earlier DSLRs.
Doesn't mean that we can't utilise the modern tech.
facing noise and no sharp images in sony a7r5 dont buy it
A1 is old sorry
Canon R5 is still the king!
A7V has a silent mode.
?
It does, but the sensor has slow read out speed, so it's not very reliable. If you shoot fast action, it will suffer from rolling shutter and it has the problem with banding under most artificial lights that are not specifically made for photography.