THE 500!! HOW TO: 500-HP 5.0L (SBF) COMBOS
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- 5 SBF COMBOS, 500+ HP, NA, STROKER, NITROUS SUPER, TURBO. CHOOSE YOUR FAVORITE 500! ARE YOU LOOKING FOR 500+ HP FROM A 306? HOW ABOUT A 363 STROKER? LOOKING FOR SOME BOOST, HOW ABOUT A SUPERCHARGED 327 STROKER? NEED MORE POWER? CHECK OUT THE NITROUS-INJECTED 347 STROKER? WHO DOESN'T LOVE ROLLIN' IN A DIY TURBO 5.0L?
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Great video for us SBF guys. I cannot imagine what that Boss 302 with 102 LSA sounds like. Would love to see/hear that pull.
I can AWSOME !!!!
Man this is simply the best and most charitable Ford small block build content on all of TH-cam. If I had the slightest clue on how to do this stuff to EFI systems on my 94 lincoln then I’d have the engine apart in my friend’s garage within the hour.
+58 hp on the 363 going from 170 as cast to 210/220 cnc ported heads was impressive!
I love this channel 👌👌👌
Boss 302 so frickin awesome!!
Junkyard turbo build for the win!
Thank you for all your efforts sir 👍
Great video Richard, you have some of the most informative videos on TH-cam as far as I'm concerned. I'm getting ready to build a 351W based N/A stroker combo for my '70 Mustang street car.
Still love the look of the mini charger. That never gets old.
Awesome job Richard! Keep up the great work!
Besides adding lift , would there be a problem changing RR’s 1.6 to 1.6, if the cam is set up for 1.6?
Wow, that turbo setup would have taken ages to assemble, no wonder you ran out of tuning time.
As always, your videos are fabulous, thanks for all your hard work, I can’t imagine how many people
you have saved from making up dud combinations.
Luv the baby Boss, that might be my next build, I’ve never seen one in the flesh, no idea what cars
they were ever fitted to, we usually just went 5.8 Boss. G’day from down under.
Funny, i just had this conversation above. I have owned a factory turbo car, installed on a 2.3 litre OHC Ford 4 cylinder, the one from Cologne the Cossies used to love dearly. It was fun in some places, laggy in other with a Ford SVO intercooler mounted in its grill (there was a lot of plumbing from T3 turbo to intercooler to intake manifold).
Here in the states, its not uncommon for a common lad to find a turbo off a diesel pickup truck, feed it into a carburator (the venturi effect cools the incoming charge like a basic intercooler), and then hope the combination works. Sadly a lot of lads pick up a factory turbo car, and play Einstein with it and end up with something very peaky in power.
Those who understand a turbo and its sundries, and have the ability to get it all tuned, can have an amazing machine. Everyone else gets a pile of parts that looks amazing, but...they should have bought a bigger engine displacement and went from there.
Now.. after watching this.. I took what I hope to be 400hp engine combo and threw it away..starting over!😎☕🎬🏁
Jody. I hear ya. But I’ve spent a lot of money for my ls 5.3 already. 🙁. Maybe after a bit I’ll step up to a bigger cam. I want to feel what I’ve done so far after I tuned it up.
@@theozman38 Yeah man..I know wutcha mean.. Im just building a daily driver..clean the tires off every once in a while..lol
Im loving the turbo set ups, my stock 88 5.0 with victor jr intake and quick fuel 750 blow thru made 454/510 wheel on 15psi ran a best of 6.76 in 1/8 so i was happy with it
150,000 mile stock 92 5.0, 62mm Hellion kit with 42 lb injectors, a Cobra intake, 1.7 rockers and a single 3.5 inch exhaust. It make 444.6 HP at 4,800 rpm and 537.8 lb/ft of torque at 4,000 rpms to the wheels. It lasted for 6 years before the oil pressure started to lay over due to bearing wear. That was a fun combination.
Please mention the compression ratio on the different combos. Thanks, keep up the great work.
This is awesome Richard I have a 5.0 efi in my falcon with gt40p heads bigger springs and arp studs running a gt45 ebay turbo on a custom manifold can't wait to get it on a dyno then change from the stock cam and see how much I pick up
Surprised at some of the hi valve lift figures Some very interesting tests. Thank you for the SB Ford stuff.
8👍's up guys thanks again for taking us all along with you for the great show
I liked them all!!!!
95 302, B-cam (I think) Pro Topline 180's TFS intake, 1 3/4 headers, Vortech V2Si (IIRC) 453 to the wheels.
Needs more boost 😁
@@nitroustommy3668 car has been gone for several years now.
Loving the Ford stuff, thank you! 351 with gt40p heads and a 266hyd roller cam is what I'm putting in my 83 I think. Have a preference for 460's but, man a junkyard roller351 would be so cheap and easy to build.
I like the tubo setup. That torque curve
waiting for the 800-1000hp 351w combo
That 347 with those cnc brodix 210 heads on it must have had low compression, because with that set up that engine should have made 500hp without the nitrous. That is a healthy cam, and some really good heads, vic Jr. Nice 650 carb, 501hp all day.
That 363 combo with 568hp is what I love the most!
Really enjoying this series. I have a 5 litre Tickford Windsor, a 220kw version, in my Land Rover 101FC and hoping to upgrade it a bit in the near future...
Garry West : Thats 295 hp net for Americans Garry. Its a great, sweet engine. 320 lb-ft of torque.
Hey Richard Even though i have a lot supercharged stuff[coyote] ,i love the n/a on dynos,boss 302 was impressive,i would like to see the 363 dart with chi heads and a healthy solid roller
The CHI heads are impressive-a future video, 1000HP Boss 302 with turbo? Thank you Richard.
needs a good block
I ain’t scared yet. lol. Would love to feel 500hp in a mustang. Or a w3 trans Am. I heard it’s a lot of power. Holy smokes Richard!! Thanks for your awesome content and huge efforts every time.
I had a blown 91 coupe.. 18 lbs of boost, trick flow top end.. in 4th gear on street tires on the highway you could lay in to it and blow the tires off at 70.. fun no doubt!
Jody. Damn man. Crazy wild ride. Everyone I know that had a wild car has grown up and settling in for old age. I’m just now where I can afford to and no interference from anybody. I’ve got a 03 Yukon I’m modifying. Nothing to crazy but to have some fun with and daily drivable. I’m staying away from turbocharged. A blower maybe just for the nostalgic side
Jody. What was the horsepower rated at?? Jeeez.
@@theozman38 it only "Dynoed" 380.. perfect example of why People shouldn't look into dyno numbers to much.. had a blower cam, methanol injection, 42 lb injectors..ect
@@theozman38 just have to be careful on these hotrods.. you never.get back wht you put in them. Its an expensive hobby no doubt!
That boss 302 is awsome, bet it sounds nice screaming on the dyno. The turbo junkyard stuff is more relatable..
No 351w love? I guess those will be in the 600 hp edition.
HOPE SO
Up next we modified a yogo motor using fiat berton head and turbo custom camshaft arp rod bolts and propane !..lol i would love to do that to a yugo gvl 4 banger lux modle
Wonder why no one has thought to integrate a carb or injection system right into a supercharger?
A nice clean one piece unit would be cool.
Been thinking of what to run on my old f100 I Kinda like ghe junkyard 351 with a turbo idea
Right on
HOPE SOME BIG W STUFF ON THE NEXT VID THX FOR THE FORD STUFF
You need to do a 351 Cleveland, but this good stuff!
I did several are up
more cleveland stuff. also do 2v-4v-3v comparisons on the same motor pleeeaaase!
Richard Holdener Speaking of limits of stock parts, have you found the limit of the stock fuel rails? Is it something worth spending money on or not?
The nitrous fed 347 says ProMaxx 210 CNC heads in the description but you said Brodix which one is the correct? I'm guessing with the power produced it is the ProMaxx heads because I think the Brodix would be doing better than 441hp.
Hey Richard. I watch all your videos. Good stuff. I have a question about nitrous and ring gap. Which rings do you gap and how much for nitrous. Probably just a 250-300 horse kit
we have run 300 shots with stock rings and .030 gap
A steel vs aluminum rod test would be cool
hmm... we got an f100 that's been sitting for a good 16 years... I wonder what the 1974 393ci would run as is? was only ever used to plow snow and take in the recycling. That block costs more to replace then a regular used running 5.3
363 is the one!
Richard please do a 5.8 whit ruck effie intake and turbo
I want to see that Vortech maxed-out.
Just for fun or budgetary issues: Les Schmader cleaned up my '70 B302 heads...no enlarging or polishing...and the numbers are interesting when comparing to the CHI #s as prepped by Dr. J's.
For whatever reason, Les didn't check the flow below .200 lift. One thing different is that I went with slightly smaller intake valves than stock...2.125 vs normal 2.19...just to see if there was any difference due to potentially less shrouding. Didn't seem to change anything significantly that I could tell.
@ Lift Int Exh
.200 158 105
.300 220 154
.400 264 189
.500 295 205
.600 320 210
.700 335 212
The velocity is surely much better on the CHIs, and the exhaust flow is significantly "better", but if you have some old big port/big valve canted valve Ford heads, it takes very little in the way of cleanup to make those iron lumps flow pretty well. And it would be budget friendly to just clean out casting ridges and flash rather than buy some pricey aftermarket heads, as long as the originals didn't need serious work or all-new everything.
he did extensive work on the stock Boss 302 heads if these flow numbers are accurate (stock Boss heads flow 275 cfm)
@@richardholdener1727 I doubt he lied to me, so I'll continue to believe what Les told me he did and charged me for. He achieved similar (max flow, though the lesser numbers have some interesting differences) results with a set of PC 3V heads, but worked them a little harder and charged more for them, whether because of less volume in the ports or poorer routing/casting I don't know. Normal 2.19 intake valves in them, and as-cast they flowed slightly "worse" than iron b302 or 351c heads; right at 270I 170E max.
.200 127 119
.300 180 134
.400 227 166
.500 280 195
.600 312 210
.700 333 220
Would have been nice to know what the velocity values were, but he was mainly a circle-track cylinder head guru, so maybe didn't feel it worthwhile to test air speed.
Richard when you get the 351 from the junkyard do you replace the main bearings rod bearings in the rings or do you use the factory stuff?
we reuse if they are good
I dont know but have you done any back to back testing with Roller VS Flat tappet cams with equal advertised duration to compare roller profile gains? Perhaps a thought for another series?
i suspect the real gain is a loss of friction. where the roller shines, is it can run a far steeper cam lobe than the bucket lifter. running a steeper lobe means it can zing that valve to full lift sooner, so you can reduce the duration it takes to get a flat tappet cam to full lift and then add on the duration it takes to hold it there for max airflow, in order to get the full cam duration and all the benefits and issues of that long a duration.
another fun trick is to work on the airflow at low valve lift. increase it with a multi angle valve job, and you help both valves flow more during the overlap period...which means you can decrease overlap if you need to for emissions, or leave it and enjoy more air coming in to push out exhaust.
I would like to see a test done on headers. Ceramic coating vs plane headers. Is there a difference in temp in the turbo housing , the intake charge ? Will the boost be affected, will power output increase if any.......
no change in intake charge temp
Richard, wondering what you'd think of this combo - a 5L roller block, bored .030 over, fitted with a set of approximately 8.5 to 1 compression forged flat top pistons set at zero deck height, some good aftermarket steel rods, a set of mildly ported TFS 'Twisted Wedge' heads,. a Comp Cams XFI1236HR or similar spec high lift, medium duration roller cam, a good single plane carburetor-type intake but instead of a carburetor, set up for EFI with a 70 mm throttle body and plumbed for fuel rails and port injectors, a pair of shorty 'block hugger ' style headers with each header feeding a low mounted T3/T4 .60 A/R hybrid turbo (-ie - one turbo per side) which would then feed a large front mounted air to air intercooler?
that works-flat tops don't usually yield 8.5:1
I thought it is going to be all stock block 302 builds. Oh well. , thanks good video
Mo Powah Baby!!!
Dam you! I wanted to be number 1
Lee Plank .Mo Powah BabyEH!
Gota get my fix
Nice to see the BOSS make some power!
Can you PLEASE do a 289 video...
Something old school with 13.5-14:1 with a Custom ground solid roller like from Cam Motion & show these youngsters a 8000rpm Monster?
Thanks for another great video!
I have 289 videos up
@@richardholdener1727 I just searched again & couldn't find anything. Sorry I searched your name & 289 as well as vice versa. Brings up a bunch of 302 stuff. If your able to post a link that would be awesome. I have many youngsters that are confused & keep telling me there's no way to make more than 350hp with a 289... Wish Bob Glidden was still alive. As he did my heads & chassis work.
Pick a favorite?? Hmm, tough question.
I’m putting together a 347 for my 89 bronco I have a speed master stroker kit, minus pistons, it’s a cast steel crank and forged rods, I’m planning on an “rv” cam or something close to it, I wanna make 450-500 horse but manly want low end power would the small 174 blower be to much for the thing, I don’t wanna split the block or hurt components every other month, it’s getting a zf5 speed and 35 inch tires on 355 gears
you will be fine
What if you put a 225 head on a 306 running a novi 2000 how would that react?
So what's the best way to get 400 hp on my 95 mustang gt pretty much stock.
Mods:Cold air intake
Exhaust: stock headers, off-road h-pipe and flow masters out.
Driver:Me lol
@Richard Holdener might be a stupid question: do dome pistons increase blowby due to their shape, deflecting the deflagration to the skirt instead of sharing pressure in a more uniform manner?
I think if it happened (not sure it does), it would be from the increase in compression rather than direction
@@richardholdener1727 thank you! I try to figure out if dome pistons could have any trade off in power/torque, exchanging hp gains with compression increase for torque "loss" due to their shape. I don't seem to find any data..
Hello Richard,I am not sure how to send an email but here is a short talk ok..? I have a 429 I had put in my 78 ford ranger F-150..I know it was built in 96' because the motor the was in it was a 400 which the motor lost oil pressure and just was weak .Well I love my 429 but was wondering what I needed to do get more power ? I not writing every thing on here because it would be a book .. If you dont have time I understand ..Thanks for your time.
I have a 429 dyno session coming up
Sorry I totally missed what the compression ratio was on the Boss setup. Just goes to show it's all about the flow.
That's what she said...
Compare the small head to the big head that's a good 1 🤣
Throw that paper weight of a funnel web intake in the scrap pile. Every time you run that intake it just sucks lol gets you the peak hp numbers but no real usable torque under 5000rpm
I'm actually very impressed with the HP/l on that BOSS engine. You bested 100HP/l, beating BMW. Do you think you could have gone over 600HP with that motor and a different cam with a HP peak at 8,000 rpm? That would have equaled Honda's best specific output of 120HP/l.
Years and years ago, the Boss 302s (310 CID usually) that Roush, Lozano Bros. and others built and sold were 630HP out of the crate. Probably at more than 8,000RPM, but I just can't remember specifically. 35 years or so later, with the better, more widely availabe and less expensive parts we have access to, a 600HP B302 should be no problem for a good builder. Even more from really good builders who are familiar with the canted-valve Fords.
its possible to do well better than 600 hp from 302 inches-but those specific output number you are comparing them to are for production motors. A 302 wont come near the specific output of a dedicated 4-valve motor
Would have loved to see a 408w with mild cam (15-17 in vacuum at idle) with good heads. Total street motor
My buddy did a 408W with good inline valve heads (AFR 205s) and an extremely mild sounding cam (recommended and ground by CamResearch). Has decent headers, AirGap intake with ProSystems carb and good compression (10.7). If I could paste the dyno sheet, I would, but failing that: 467 ft lbs @3,000; max 513 ft lbs @ 3,700 & 3,800; 500 ft lbs or more from 3,500 through 4,600. 489.X hp basically from 5,700 through 6100. What I like is that it had good vacuum (18 inches if I remember rightly) and I was very impressed that it showed 100% or better volumetric efficiency from 3400-3500 RPM through 6000-6100. The car is finally just about done, so he will finally get to feel it tomorrow. I will be in formation with him, and am almost as eager to see and hear it rolling in rejuvenated form as he is.
@@Zekais sounds like my motor in a 68 cougar. 408w. 469hp at 4900, 539ftlb at 4100. Over 500ftlb from 3200 to 4900. And 17in vac. A street engine that rumbles
take a look at the 600-hp combo video that just posted
didnt start out with good head but finished with really good head......
lol
When you say add ring gap, what do you gap them at?
.028-.030
Can a .700” cam be reliably driven daily? If not, at what lift does reliability diminish?
WHY DO YOU WANT 700 LIFT AND RELIABILITY
@@richardholdener1727 I don’t necessarily want or need a .700” lift cam, I was just asking what’s the highest lift one can go before sacrificing daily driven reliability.
I'm thinking a 351 Cleveland with those CHI heads has to go way over 600 hp, or maybe a 408 clevor !!
Curious as to why the reason for starting the nitrous so late?
you can apply when you see fit
Boss
Wouldn't be afraid to run the stock explorer TRW pistons with boost?
we did that too
@@richardholdener1727 are they actually forged or good castings?
I ask because I'm building an actual explorer!
Serious Question were you told to back off from the Coyote 5.0?
Yes, inquiring minds would like to know :)
Victor_Von_DOOM! I love his videos but I find it odd.
BamBamsflow I agree his videos are very informative. Still I’m curious 🧐
who would be telling me to back off a Coyote?
Richard Holdener I don’t know that’s why I ask To much hate on the Coyotes lately and you started on them then everything disappeared literally.
Try some Nissan stuff man please
have an RB25 coming
Richard Holdener dang can’t wait 😱😬
392 w
So did you test 210 vs 225 heads on this engine, or is the idea that the "210cc and 225cc heads make identical hp" an assumption based on different engines dyno'd in the past? Unless the 210 and the 225cc heads actually have the same cc runner, you can't assume that they are going to make identical power on every engine. Doesn't matter how many you've dyno'd and gotten that result, physics tells us this isn't possible on every engine.
they made exactly the same power curve when run back to back on the same motor on the same day
@@richardholdener1727 the fact that they did so on a completely different engine doesn't mean anything in reference to this engine. It just likely means the other engine didn't need the advantage of the larger ones and the port velocity was good enough due to them being manufactured by a company that didn't start doing this yesterday, that the larger, unneeded cylinder head still made power despite being so.
Not ls! 😃
I like them all , but they all have different characteristics . A daily driver with a huge cam , isn't very practical .
Personally I blame squirrels
Woodchucks make far more power than squirrels, and badgers are above the woodchucks, but they are temperamental.
Rifle on site
I give up
X Mo 🐿😍
Thump Er you can't include badgers as they are canted valve whereas the woodchucks and squirrels are inline. Apples to apples ok? Now beavers, well damn, now we're talking big blocks!
I kinda want to rub his bald head for luck.
Those CHI heads are awesomesauce. Love to make a 408 twin turbo with those or P38's.