AMD Fights Itself: Ryzen 7 7700 CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. i5-13600K & R5 7600
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AMD's new Ryzen 7 7700 is a cheaper, lower TDP version of the 7700X. The new CPU competes most directly with the R5 7600 -- which is a price class lower and manages to gather most of the (gaming) performance -- and the i5-13600K, which often outpaces it in production and gaming, or at worst, equals it. This testing benchmarks the R7 7700 vs. the R7 7700X, i5-13600K, R5 7600, and more. We also have tests dating back to the AMD R5 2600, as tested in 2022-2023, to look at possible upgrade options for those wishing to stick with AMD.
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Overall, the i5-13600K and R7 7900 (next review!) are more compelling for higher-end work and gaming, while the R5 7600 is more compelling for gaming-only as it achieves most the performance for far cheaper.
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Error correction (no impact on conclusion or CPU in review): The RTX 4090 chart at 8 minutes 13 seconds has a 3700X result that we've identified is incorrect. It is the only incorrect result. The result should read 235.9FPS AVG, 157.7FPS 1%, and 140.8FPS 0.1%. We identified this error when rerunning the CPU for other tests. We apologize for the error. Fortunately, there is no impact on the Ryzen 7000 CPUs being reviewed; however, we pride ourselves on correcting errors in the rare instances they happen so that the community has the right data. Thank you!
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - AMD Ryzen 7 7700 vs. 7700X CPU
01:11 - When These CPUs Might Make Sense
03:07 - Gaming Benchmarks - R7 7700 vs. 7700X & PBO
04:17 - Tomb Raider Benchmarks (ft. RTX 4090 & 3090 Ti)
05:21 - Final Fantasy XIV CPU Benchmarks & 1 vs. 2 CCDs
06:29 - Rainbow Six Siege CPU Benchmarks
07:37 - F1 2022 R7 7700 vs. 7600, 13600K
08:00 - RTX 4090 Benchmarks
08:30 - Power Consumption (Ryzen 7 7700 vs. 7700X & PBO)
09:40 - Power Efficiency (AMD vs. Intel CPUs)
10:42 - Blender Cycles CPU Benchmarks
11:41 - Code Compile (Programming) Benchmarks
13:01 - Compression vs. Decompression
14:45 - Adobe Premiere Benchmarks (Ryzen 7700 vs 7900)
15:21 - Adobe Photoshop Best CPUs
16:21 - The R7 7700 is Weirdly Positioned
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Error correction (no impact on conclusion or CPU in review): The RTX 4090 chart at 08:13 has a 3700X result that we've identified is incorrect. It is the only incorrect result. The result should read 235.9FPS AVG, 157.7FPS 1%, and 140.8FPS 0.1%. We identified this error when rerunning the CPU for other tests. We apologize for the error. Fortunately, there is no impact on the Ryzen 7000 CPUs being reviewed; however, we pride ourselves on correcting errors in the rare instances they happen so that the community has the right data. Thank you!
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I would suggest pairing these CPU's with an xfx 7900 xtx, the addition of 4 more X's should more than compensate the performance loss over off the non x cpu.
Xtreme
xfx needs to bring back their xxx line of cards. So we can pair a 7900x3d with an rx 7900xtx xfx xxx model.
@@Tagiau excellent.
@@Tagiau you are forgetting the 7800x3d , that thing has a base clock of 4.X GHz. Clearly that’s going to run faster than even it’s boost clock with an X like that.
@@Tagiau My god image the power 😅. It's so xxxxtreme.
So according to AMD's pricing, each X is about 70-100 dollars. If this is also true for GPU's, then the RX 7900XTX is actually ~700 dollars, and the $999 MSRP comes from those three X's that it has.
The T is worth $299, as per Nvidia RTX Ti's two Tees.
Pretty much how much the 4700 Ti is overpriced.
What about the XFX version of the XTX?
@@warrenskeen9203 From the looks of it, they must just be eating the price of those other two Xs. No idea how they are still in business.
That much math was made.
I went with the 7700 for $329. Enable PBO in the bios and it magically becomes a 7700x
Please continue to keep 5800X3D in comparison! It's great to measure against last gen flagship!
Every time I see how high the 5800x3d ranks against the newest gen of CPU's I get all warm inside knowing that I made a great choice on keeping my AM4 platform going and going for years to come!
5800X3D ,, WAY WAY overpriced EXTREMELY overhyped waste of sand
@@tilapiadave3234 Every single review from the big names to the lesser known would absolutely disagree with your dumb statement.... Your life is a waste of sand especially when compared to the 5800x3d...
@@tilapiadave3234 weak bait
@@tilapiadave3234 You sound salty, fanboy.
If the 7700 comes with the "$45" RGB cooler i'd still be interested even if it was the same price as the 7700x, but at $100 more expensive than the 7600, it'd be a hard sell if i dont need the extra cores.
This is a fair analysis of the products and the pricing.
If you care about stock RGB cooler control over your life is lost
@@kitecattestecke2303 - Or maybe he's got a glass side panel, and doesn't want to look at a pile of crap for the next 5 years.
Aesthetics have their own value in computer builds, especially if you're showing off the internals.
Always more cores, you will need them eventually.
Or you are me and most of what you do is production.
@@arthurwintersight7868 I think they meant you need to get a performance cooler (w/RGB if you like)
As somebody on an off-grid solar system, this is the best PC news I've seen in a long time. A CPU that draws less power and well outperforms my 5800x across the board AND has an APU? Total no-brainer for my someday more-power-efficient build. Hope the market stays crappy and prices come down, down, down...
Even if the prices go down, Intel is still a better deal at this price bracket, unless you're getting an R5 7600.
@@eccodreams well yes, but Brad clearly stated that power efficiency is something he is keen about, which Intel does not bode well for.
I own 5800x and I do think that 7700 is great cpu to build AM5 platform with upgrade in mind to 9000 series. Although it’s faster than my 5800x it’s not gonna give me wow factor. If you using 5000 cpus you should skip this generation unless your use case will benefit. With gaming in mind is better to get new GPU.
@@eccodreams I guess in multi threaded tasks and just barely. Gaming is a different story
"Hope the market stays crappy" 🤡
7700 is the same price as the 13600k but consumes half the energy and generate way less heat. I would not trade it for 10% perfomance in any sort of imagination.
I don’t know how Steve reads out these benchmarks so quickly and accurately without tripping over his words. Especially when there’s so many similar sounding words and numbers. It’s insane lol.
A decade of practice.
He doesn't it called rehursels.
I gambled as an early adopter of the 13600K, but mine OCs to 6.0GHZ all day on a 360 AIO and I carried forward my existing 4x8GB DDR4 4000 CL15 G. Skill Royal RAM. Videos like this help me put that in perspective and I appreciate it. If I had been on AM4, I absolutely would have grabbed a 5800x3D. I can't wait to see if the X3D CPUs increase the value for AM5/DDR5 platforms with a significant boost in performance, but if I were a betting person, I'd bet that they are going to be priced too high... How strange the market has been in a single year...
That's a dope set up. Doesn't get much better than that. I'd be surprised if a new X3D chip matches it.
That's a killer setup for years to come, especially the the cl15 RAM, I couldn't even find that to purchase if I wanted.
Are you nuking performance in day to day tasks, and gaming with that oc? I’ve had some golden bin chips in the past but every task got nuked after around 5-700mhz
The last golden chip I got was a 2600 oc to 4.25 ghz. Anything past 4.1 was nuking games and tasks.
My 13600k does 9 Ghz
It has been strange because they know what's coming, they are innovating all the time because the rise of A.I will bring extreme overall improvements in a long term, thus they can always produce new competitive products every 2-3 months until the big leap is ready with the help of A.I , it's all about money, but maybe I am wrong, I just can't believe that all this is happening coincidentally at the start of the golden era of A.I
The 7x00x cpus will find it’s self in a very strange position when the X3D parts show up. The power and heat saving and the fact the non x versions are a little cheaper makes them appealing to me.
not when X3D starts at $450
@@jaggsta Seriously, people acting like the upcoming x3d chips are going to be ~$20 more or something. Remember how much of a premium the 5800x3d was over the 5800x people. I have a feeling they don't want to scare anyone away by releasing the upcoming x3d pricing.
@@heytoast7129 I get that they'll be a lot nore expensive. I'd be interested to see how much the 3D cachè costs them to produce.
@@ArtisChronicles a lot more I would assume.
X3d is gonna be premium probably.
A shame hte 5950X is missing in the charts. It was the efficiency king for so long, would've loved a comparison.
Was it REALLY or was that FAKE NON real world data? Did you ever see the power usage in REAL WORLD usage over a full 24 hours?
Really weird considering how it’s the flagship of the previous gen, they still have the 12900K
@@tilapiadave3234 Well, according to gamers nexus - yes. Dunno what you'd want to see over 24hrs that you can't simulate in a test.
i like the timing graphic on the sides when you show benchmarks and specs
I always come to your channel for the in depth comparisons with your clear presentation style, and sensible assessments. Thanks Steve and all of the team at GN who make it easier to see where the good value in hardware lies.
AMD used up their entire supply of X on their video cards and now no X left for the CPUs
It looks like the CPUs didn't need the X anyway.
They depleted the Mehican X stash you mean ?
yeah they probably want to stock up on some more Xes than expected, in case someone on reddit makes a post about a manufacturing defect that starts a new outrage cycle about wrong ink amounts used, resulting in people getting incomplete Y looking glyphs.
Fantastic in depth analysis. Thank you for fostering fair competition and consumer advocacy, Gamers Nexus.
I know it takes a lot of work to get this data, but I'm curious as to why they don't include older Intel CPUs such as the 11 or 10 series. They include the 2600 and 3700x for example, I feel like they should include Intel CPUs from that era
Power efficiency is way underrated. My next system will be 7700 for that reason alone.
Mine too. I was initially going for an i5-13600K because so many people recommend it. But I value power efficiency and low temps quite a bit. Plus, AM5 leaves a window open for an upgrade down the road.
Same rationale, same choice for me.
Power efficiency is way overrated by AMD soyboys
@@tilapiadave3234 nice bait. Power efficiency is way overrated by Nvidia soy boys sissies.
@@dougalachi LOVE baiting the useless and pathetic AMD soyboys that live in their mummy's basement
It would be interesting to see these cpus tested in a small form factor case or with limited cooling.
Thanks again. I love that FF14 & TR are in your benchmarks. Very useful for me. I don't have to upgrade but am considering when it will be a good time to and which options. Could see this lower end or an X3D build later on. Mobo and DDR5 pricing really are what make this platform more currently.
It's so crazy how much CPUs have improved from 2017-2023 vs 2011-2017. My 5900hx laptop felt mind-blowingly fast when I got it early last year. What a ride this has been.
It would be cool to see CPU benchmarks with heavy Ray tracing at 4k. Newer games like spiderman and Darktide tend to appear CPU bound and the CPU has a large impact on the Ray tracing bvh data structure
Can't wait to see the 7900 review. I was about to buy the 7700X because the 7900X is too spicy for an air cooler, but the 7900 seems to be the perfect choice for me 🥰
Noctua ?
you can powerlimit the 7900x
@@sgredsch and you can overclock the 7900...
@@attilavs2 Exactly ^^
@@attilavs2 Yup, NH-D15
great vid, thanks. i really like the power graphs
Pricing as started to show in Canada on Canada Computers. In short, the non-x Ryzen CPU retail for 90$ CAD less than their x counter-part, which makes these chips very interesting for someone wanting to jump on an AM5 platform.
Great video. I'm glad that you have the older CPUs like the Ryzen 5 2600 and Ryzen 7 2700, which is my current CPU. I know that testing and retesting older hardware could make videos take longer to make.l, but I appreciate it greatly!
Just a suggestion: a chart for number of X's could help explain to novices like me the lack or gain of value on processors.
just hurry up and buy the 5800x3d already
@@0xBULLgogi I bought a 5800X3D to drop into a B350 motherboard, but reconsidered and decided to just return it and build an AM5 system with a 7900X3D once prices hopefully drop down in 4th quarter of this year. AM5 motherboard and DDR5 prices should also drop a bit by then.
@@savagej4y241 whatever floats your boat. $350 spent for me for a huge drop in upgrade that i wont be upgrading for years vs what, $600-700 total for am5? way more if youre getting an zen 4 x3d cpu
@@0xBULLgogi Currently on 3700X, which is an upgrade from 1600, I ultimately couldn't justify paying to upgrade from a decent 8-core CPU to a better one. It's gotta be a 12-core, and the added V-cache is a must-have upgrade for simulation and MMO genres. The only time I've followed through on a same core count upgrade was i5-750 to i7-870, since I got the latter for free at a previous job.
@@0xBULLgogi Thought about it some more. Reconsidered (again) and will go ahead with the 5800X3D after all, saving the 3700X to make a refurbished build for a friend. Turns out the 7900X3D won't have added V-cache on more than 1 CCX, so while it would be an upgrade, it may not be quite as gargantuan as anticipated. Speculation on the price is that it will be at least twice where the 5800X3D is now. So really, close to $700 just for the CPU alone at launch. Plus, who knows where the economy is going, and how much prices will actually drop in 4th quarter...
Thank you Steve for actually knowing the difference between power and energy. I see SO MANY people make this mistake. Especially in kW vs kWh for EVs. It annoys me to no extent.
*Cough* mooreslawisdead
Don't be annoyed, educate. We all have our fields of expertise :)
@@IAmHolyMojo Man, it's impossible to even educate people that they can charge their EVs overnight while they sleep and have a full "tank" in the morning every morning. They demand 500 miles of range (while towing!) and to charge up on a public charger in 5 minutes! If EVs can't do that then EVs are stupid and they're holding onto their oversized pickup truck that's lucky to get 10 miles per gallon! You think you're going to educate those people about the difference between kW and kWh?
These people are intentionally ignorant, they do not want to learn, it is impossible to teach them anything.
EDIT: What about idle power consumption? Apparently there is a big difference thanks to someone pointing it out. I could see that being an important factor.
10:08 That combination of efficiency for work done is looking good. The 7900 non-x should be interesting!
And IGNORE the power usage at idle? Most people's cpu's rarely ever run at 100% ,, vast majority of the time cpu is at 0-25% load ,, and Intel uses 9 watts at idle AMD uses 48 watts , FOURTY EIGHT WATTS doing nothing !!!
@@tilapiadave3234 Oh? Was that 9 vs 48w idle use in this video or elsewhere? Show me a timecode because I probably missed that.
@@ScottJWaldron Take a look here : th-cam.com/video/JHWxAdKK4Xg/w-d-xo.html
@@tilapiadave3234 He's using the X versions of the AMD CPUs. Their power consumption design is very different than 7700 featured here. That said, idling at ~55w seems like some type of technical issue. Hopefully more data comes out. I'd need to see multiple sources get similar results and then hopefully AMD can respond as to what's happening.
@@ScottJWaldron It is VERY strange how this issue is being ignore. That channel did a survey and from memory at least 400 people responded that their AM5 's ran over 45 Watts at idle.
I think a big chunk of value also comes in the included cooler, since for gaming and most work, wou don't need that beefy of cooler and can even still allow for a bit of overclocking
WOW ,, yes a cooler ,, DON'T mention the 1 MILLION dollar motherboards ,, DON'T mention being FORCED by AMD to use expensive DDR5 ,,,, AMD failed BADLY this release
I realize people watch these videos from all over the world, but it would be really interesting to see a value efficiency comparison thats directly showing how much cheaper the CPU theoretically is to run since it's a lower TDP than the 13600k. Like how many months of running my system at a lower power draw would theoretically make back the price difference? Hope this makes sense, I realize it's difficult to show in a uniform way but could still be interesting
I bagged a 5700x for under £200 over the holidays and I am feeling very pleased with myself. Especially with a sub £100 b550 board and cheap 3600mhz ddr4 to boot!
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gratz!
0:51 that's some fine editing and proof work there, Lou.
Looking forward to your test with the i5-13500
It's interesting to see the review after 9 months. I recently updated my system. A couple of weeks before this I was reading and watching reviews. I ended up choosing the 7 7700 because of its high power efficiency (which is important these days) and low cooling requirements. Its performance is more than enough for everyday tasks and it handles gaming very well. The i5 13600K is definitely a great processor, and now there's the i5 14600K, which is pretty much the same. But at what cost is its superiority achieved? Now they cost almost the same. But... the i5 13600K beats the 7 7700 in work applications by an average of 5-10%, and not everywhere. In games there is almost no difference or can only be seen under a magnifying glass. Especially when it comes to 2K or 4K resolution. Where is the significant gap here? And this “power advantage” comes at the expense of much higher power consumption and increased heat dissipation. And here the difference reaches several tens of percent not in favor of the i5 13600K! And after that talk about the incomprehensible status of 7 7700? It's funny. Yes, I would like to see the price lower, but on the other hand, this is a promising and quite powerful 8-core processor on a new platform that will be supported for several years. Within a year, the AM5 platform got rid of many childhood diseases. Now is the time to buy a new AMD platform. This is not an advertisement! And after 2-3 years, if necessary, you can simply install a new processor without changing the motherboard. And for Intel this is the final LGA 1700. A good ending, but this is the final.
7700 here. I upgraded from an i5-6600K. Performance jump is insane. idling around 36c with a peerless assassin.
@@norge696 AMD Wraith Prism will be sufficient for this processor. But a large cooler is always a good temperature reserve.
Another 7700 owner here, coming from 3700X. same I just didn't see the point for me spending another 40 - 80$ with any X models and even X3D. The type of games I play it just didn't make any sense if the only benefits with X3D were seen very specific game titles and very specific work scenarios. Not to mention its a given that you're going to spend another 50 - 100$ on a CPU cooler to keep their temperatures in check.
For 210 us $
Worth to try ?
Thank you for still including older CPUs since not all viewers have state of the art CPU's in their PC builds just yet.
In many of those games you pointed that Intel chips "hold 3% lead" in average FPS, but there are significant (commonly 20-30%, sometimes even 50%) differences in 1% and 0,1% lows, as is pointed by those same graphs. The 0,1% lows might be pretty run dependent, but it could be interesting to see also on the summary graphs perhaps an evaluation on how close to average fps can these different CPUs hold the lows. Predictability is after all one of the most important aspects of gameplay feel: it goes as far as constant 80 fps being far better feeling than average 100fps, but fluctuations between 50 to 150.
I agree and it feels kind of odd that Steve didn't explicitly mention 1% and 0.1% lows. The chart is great, I guess that's why he didn't feel the need to say anything on top of that.
Totally agree great point!
As a vr user, the lows are more important for me anyways. I tend to focus on them mostly ign8riñg the averages anyway.
The difference between a certain CPU's average and its 1% and 0.1% lows seems to be quite the same between Intel and AMD, doesn't it? I didn't see any noticeable gap. Could you please point out which game if you identified a significant advantage AMD has compared to Intel? Maybe I misunderstood your comment...
Or would you say in general that on AMD the lows are closer/tighter to the average than on Intel 13th gen?
I bet these will be pretty popular. If I were in the market I'd take one to replace my 3700X. Been very happy with it for a mixed gaming and production use case.
On another topic, would love to see you guys review the "iBUYPOWER Snowblind S Case" and how good the airflow is in that case
The 7700x only makes sense if you live near a microcenter. Hard to pass on a 7700x for $343.99 when it comes with a 32gb kit of ddr5 6000c36 for 1 cent
That's what I got, I was going to get a 13600k if I wasn't able to get the deal on the 7700x. Spent what it would cost for CPU/RAM on CPU/RAM/MOBO so I am very happy, the 7700x isn't a bad CPU especially for the steal microcenter is giving people.
My son has a ryzen 7. He said he has a cheap graphics card that don’t keep up. Was looking at 3060ti & 3080ti. He says 3060ti would be a major upgrade on what he has now. Do you have any recommendations on what he should get that won’t break the bank but is good.
@jeff velker take a look at the amd rx 6700xt. In non ray tracing games, it's generally a little faster than a 3060 ti, and it's cheaper currently. Now, if ray tracing performance is important, then you're going to want to go for the 3060 ti as it's better at that than the rx 6700xt. Both of those gpus are great choices for 2560x1440 and 1920x1080 monitors.
This is what I'd like to see out of reviews! Great review, I'm considering the 7600 or 7700 to upgrade my 3600, I think it would alleviate any bottlenecks with my current setup.
@Gamers Nexus There is an audio error in the Hyte sponsor part of the video: 'like' this bright red. The 'like' seems to have been used as a cut between audio tracks but the 'like' is heard double.
Also, I think it was the 7600 (non) review, there were multiple 'thumps' and 'clipping' sounds in the video.
I know it's probably a PITA to fix it and re-upload due to time constraints but I thought I'd notify you.
Is a review coming for the new i3-13100f? Super impressed on how well a quad core can still hold up especially for low budget gaming...
Keep up the great work, GN! You guys are amazing!
Patiently waiting to see the benchmarks for the X3D skus.
I bought the 7700 for my sff build which needs that lower power consumption and heat output. Cooling it with a 240 AIO and undervolting keeps things cool and performant.
thanks bro to you and your team for this vid
Maybe in the US. In NL we still pay 399,- / 445,- € so the non X looks much better here. Awesome you guys added the 3700x to the charts I might go for the 5800x3D looks like a way better deal (no new motherboard / ram)
Totally agree, epecially for gaming. TDP is slightly higher, but not huge. Right now the 5800XD is a very good price too, if you can find one.
wacht iig even een maand, de 7000 serie komt binnenkort (feb.) met de 3d versies, en de 5800x3d was ook te koop voor 350 euro tijdens black friday. Wellicht dat ie over een maand onder de 300 euro gaat kostten.
Keep in mind that US prices are without taxes and Dutch prices are including taxes. Without taxes that 399 becomes 330.
I think the 7600 and 7700 would be great in small form factor builds. Great performance with a lower TDP to worry about.
It's also great for people who are concerned about 100 degree summers with high electric bills, who are looking to upgrade from a computer they built in 2012. A comical boost in performance, combined with reductions in noise, heat, and power draw - there's a pretty big difference between a 2012 computer and a silent 2023 gaming PC.
Even the fans and thermal paste have seen massive improvements over the past ten years.
@@arthurwintersight7868 This is exactly my situation. Am putting together an upgrade from my 2015 i5-5700HQ and GTX950M, and swapping it for an sff build. The 7600 and 7700 are exactly what I'm needing right now haha
Hey Steve, i noticed a little audio glitch at 0:52. Same thing happened on your last video before this one. Might wanna check on it.
I love that you're basically the only reviewer who looks at efficiency. I feel like for those of us who use our computer NOT for gaming it, power efficiency is a much better metric
Costings aside, a new build by either Intel or AMD will yield a great performing or for both gaming and production purposes 💪🥰🥳👍. This is far ahead of top end CPUs pre- Ryzen 5000 series!
R5 7600 is the go to processor here for the value aspect... the 13600k is like double the power usage
0:17 Oops, I think the "Years Experience" bar on the left needs to not be transparent for the numbers. It was difficult to see where the aqua bar ended and the Windows background began.. Thanks new set!
Oh man i got one for ~200$ on 11.11. Upgrading from i5 3340 after almost 10 years, so happy with the purchase!
I wonder why no reviewer mentions that the 13600k takes a good hit using ddr4 in some games think HUB did a ram scaling.
(Not sure if the 13600k is on ddr4 or 5 it does not say. All in all a good detailed review ty Steve/GN team
All CPU's tested (AMD and Intel) were running DDR5 6000 CL30
@@cmdrclassified Oh ok might have mist that
The “x700” part always seems to release at bad value but after sales usually ends up amazing value due to lower power draw than the next step up and close performance. I very much regret getting the 5800x instead of the 5700x
you probably bought the 5800X bc the 5700X wasn't a thing at the time.
@@MaxIronsThird AMD saved me money by not making my x370 compatible initially. Eventually 5700x just made sense as an upgrade for me since compatibility was added to my board.
That's a cool wall of panels behind you, Steve
Very straight forward thumbnail😄
As someone who’s been using the Ryzen 5 1600 since 2017, I’m finally compelled to upgrade. Waiting patiently for the 7900 review because that’s the one I want.
I was in the same boat, had been running a 1600 until December. I got the 7700 from Microcenter with a RAM and motherboard bundle. I kinda wish I could have waited, but I was getting too much bottleneck in some newer games.
@@zeejay92 yeah I was going to upgrade back in 2020 because I was starting to notice a lot of performance loss. Especially in new open world titles. When RDR2 came out I just assumed it was just that game that gave me trouble. Now it’s pretty much every game.
I did get a PS5 in 2021 to help bridge the gap. But I really just want my PC back.
@@WeencieRants I feel that. I almost upgraded last gen, tbh, but I was holding out for AM5 'cause I knew it was coming, and 'cause I know I'll be able to go without upgrading again for a while. The 5800X3D was incredibly tempting, though.
If you want to save some money, keep your current platform and buy a R5 5600x or R7 5800x. Perhaps even off the used market.
I'm still rocking my 3600 and I don't plan on upgrading for... a long time still.
Bought on 11.11 7700x for 320$. Very satisfied. Interesting, which real price for 7700 would we have. Thanks for the review!
for me it was good deal it cost me 450$ cad the intel 13600k was 420$
@tatsuyasensei4313 Bought it Ali with cuppon and 11 discount. So price went from 370 to 320.
One thing I'd be considering with the x vs non-x amd options if I was looking at the current gen would be simply whether you need the cooler or not. To anyone who already has a (compatible) big tower cooler or an AIO, the non-x cpu is effectively coming with a big hunk of e-waste. I've got a wraith prism collecting dust that I may repurpose at some point (media/light gaming pc for a common area) Not trying to dunk on the stock AMD coolers either, they are definitely a big step above some of the old intel ones, or what dell gives you in a prebuilt.
assuming you live in a country with no compulsory warranty regulation maybe but over here in the EU you can often buy cheaper system builder's/OEM software licences and hardware ("tray" CPUs) with no real risk but delicious savings
A big hunk of stuff peole buy off you for 20 or 30 bucks
The fact you've got a Prism sitting around and are complaining instead of selling it tells me your opinion isn't particularly useful. With the exception of the super low end ones, AMD coolers always sell for a good amount.
Sell it for £20/$25 someone will buy it lol
@@Gabu_ I'm not that hard up for 40 dollars, I'd rather have it as a backup. Also, I wasn't complaining, the included cooler is probably more than enough for most people, I'm just saying don't buy something you don't need- assuming the prices make sense.
I'd appreciate a video comparing the effect of CPU cooling performance categories on games. When running stock or even PBO, is there actually a difference between the box cooler and a $100+ AIO?
I've seen a few reviews of 7700 and i'd say 7700 is worth considering, mostly because it delivers almost the same performance as 7700x with lower power consumption and temp (which unfortunately isnt getting covered here). Hopefully this translates well to the mobile version, as im in the market for one this year.
Ryzen Mobile 7040
@@viperpit2075I don’t know what’s not fair? The 7700x was awful at its price, and the 7700 is still awful at its price. Seems pretty fair to me.
Ignores the 30°C higher temps for intel processors and a 10°C higher for X processor. Temps weren't even considered by him.
I agree that 13600k is generally better in performance... but the amd is 50% more efficient.. that is a huge difference that is almost ignored in the review. Power draw should matter, it shouldn't be just something we mention and otherwise ignore when reviewing the products. To get to the car analogy.. you would not want car that is 10% "better" (lets say faster.. but most people don't care about that) but needs 50% more fuel. Efficiency is important!
Thats under a 100% All core load... something you never get in gaming.
@@MrFallenone Yes under real world conditions the intel is right on point. And if I am hitting my CPU 100% clearly I am not so worried about the power draw vs the time.
Can't wait to see the 7000x3d benchmarks
The power draw of 7700 is very tempting. Im really struggling rightnow. The difference against 13700k's power consumption is too big to ignore.
The 5800x3d still seem to offer amazing value considering its on old gen and using ddr4. If youre already on the am4 platform am5 offers basically nothing when it comes to platform upgrade cost. Will see if this changes when the new x3d models come out
If only AMD promised AM5 support beyond 2025, then going AM5 platform would have been a simple decision.
7000x3d will be like 10 or 15% faster on average than 5800x3d, but that won't change the fact that the AM5 board costs $200 and the recommend DDR5 RAM is also $200. And to make use of that extra 10% or 15% requires an RTX4090 or 7900XTX. So in summary, it's not going to get AMD's AM5 sales up significantly
@@Aggrofool they did say that didn't they? 2025 and beyond.
@@ms3862 unless you're getting 64GB ddr5 is not 200$
@@eba6949 unless you want to throttle your 1000$ system with crap like 2800 MHz DDR4 CL20/5600 MHz DDR5 CL40 then yes, you need to pay 200$ for a decent RAM kit
Upgraded from a 9700k to a 7600 non-x, the chip cost £225 but I really wanted to get onto AM5 which unfortunately costs a premium.
Anyway... Gaming 1440p on Escape from Tarkov is smooth as hell, even on the new map, Streets.
Power usage is 54W and CPU Temp is 56°c with all cores boosted to 5.1ghz on a £35 DeepCool AK400 air cooler....
This thing has blown me away - a truly phenomenal upgrade for me.
This thumbnail is 11/10. Excellent work GN team.
I still think you should include a factorio benchmark.
It wouldn't be difficult to source an appropriate save from the subreddit or discord.
As a simulation game, it would test CPU power very well, and with the graphics being sprite-based, you'd never hit a GPU limit.
Honestly, I am really thinking about the 7700. The 7700x has risen 20€ yet again, before it was 10€ more expensive than the 13600k (now it is ~30€).
Meaning still the 7700 will itself cost probably less than the 13600k. So i am really thinking between those two.
What is a little compelling to me (towards the 7700) is that if I take the 7700 I can take a B650E board and thus maybe more easily upgrade my graphics card in the future generations.
Also the general future aspects of AM5, also general potential futureproofness of the am5 platform.
Not really sure at the moment what to think
... lets wait what the 7800x3d has to offer.
@@Ugga-Bugga I kinda do different workloads currently, as I decided to migrate to Linux and compile my kernel myself and stuff.
And I have games that are currently (even in 1440p) CPU bound on my maschine (RTX 2080 i5 9600k) such as battlefield and (very old game, Gothic).
Phoronix Benchmarks also show that CPU on Linux sometimes seem to matter more than on Windows. But I need to look how dxvk and vkd3d behave according to cpu power.
B650E interests me as well because of PCIE GEN 5, so I may do a graphics card upgrade in 2 to 3 generations. Maybe by then I'll get a xtx99XXxtxXtremeXmasEdition by then which will dominate the X-Benchmarks for years to come.
@@Ugga-Bugga Well seriously spoken, yes PCIE GEN 4 is plenty enough for years to come especially for graphics cards. Unless there come out new technologies that use that extra bandwidth.
What I was trying to stress is, that currently the LGA 1700 is a dead end platform, so is AM4.
If you upgrade every 10 years like you say, then of course lifespan of a plattform can be completely ignored by you.
I usually tended to have hardware upgrade cycles of 3-8 years, mostly around 5 years. So AM5 has more potential for me.
I am just not entirely sure how much that potential is worth for me.
The E-cores are really showing their value on the 13600K. It makes me want you guys to review Intel's Celeron N300 series parts since they are 100% E-core chips.
I prefer the i7-12700K over the i5-13600K. Both are very similar, but i like more the 8+4 config than 6+8, i watched the latter in Alder Lake laptop chips (i7-12700H as an example). The 13600K also gets a little hotter. The difference in IPC for the big cores is 0% too. So at the end it has a better memory controller and slightly higher clockspeeds for the P-cores.
The N300 series parts would have terrible single core speed if they are 100% e-core based. They need at least 1 P-core and clock that at 3GHz. Their competition would be the best Mediatek, Snapdragon ARM chips and some from Apple.
@Saricubra These are embedded CPUs, so the competition is in the 15W class. The low end RPL/ADL chips we might see in products are 5-core Pentiums with a 1+4 core setup. One has multithreading on the P core while the other does not.
It could be fun if Intel made made a part with just 2-4 P cores for general desktop use and dedicated everything else on the chip die for E-cores (so 24-32 E-cores, 28-34 cores in total) as some sort of HEDP alternative
@@DigitalJedi I don't see the point of hyperthreading for such a low TDP class of a mobile chip. The P-core only should be use to boost single thread, like the big cores from the latest Snapdragon and Mediatek chips. It would be a 1p+7e config.
Maybe Intel has to develop a "medium" core. Current phones went a little beyond traditional Big-Little, it would be Big-Mid-Little.
@e21big I don't think something that extreme is all that great, but something on desktop similar to the U-series mobile chips with a 2+8 design would be quite interesting.
For HEDT you are more likely going to see 24 P-cores due to the high clocks and the lack of regard for power draw in the HEDT space, as is evidenced by Threadrippers being overclocked server chips.
Thank you very much. Very good review
0:50 In the ad, there something with the sound. Heard this in another video too.
The problem is these numbers will not look the same with say a 7900 XTX w/ SAM enabled. If you're partnering these CPUs with an AMD GPU, you would probably want to go for the 7700 over the Intel CPUs, especially considering the ability to substantially upgrade later on the AM5 platform as opposed to the intel platform that won't likely see much benefit in upgrading. It's also worth noting that with less than a 4090/7900, you'll likely see much less difference in performance between CPUs
I don't get the angle here. They keep touting the 13600k based on DDR5 performance and then say it's a cheaper entry point based on DDR4 boards and prices. The DDR5 boards are more than the AM5 boards and microcenter has been giving away free RAM with 7000 series cpus since October. So AMD is still the cheaper entry point for a comparable DDR5 platform.
Hoping you launch a merch line for GN Extra, with it's green color scheme 🤞
Fyi sometimes your audio echos like it's an overlap in words through editing.. 54 seconds in hyte AD. Steve your voice was doubled sounded weird. Don't mean to offend or harm any ones work. Just trying to help .. great work keep up the in depth analysis.
on a side note; im liking this new camera angle and background in the recent videos. :)
I'm still using a 3700X which at the time was in the same position of being not great value as compared to the 3800X which was even worse value. However the 3900X was rather expensive in comparison but I did not want to go as low as the 3600X. AMD often seem to hit that 300-350 mark on the 8 core parts and now with Intel making decent competing CPU's they are not really worth it.
same here, and the 3700x is still holding up pretty nicely in those charts for a 2 generations old cpu. For my mini-itx build it was a sensible option at the time in terms of thermals and power draw. (And now, that power is so expensive I feel grateful every time the power efficiency chart comes up and the 3700x is in the upper third.) :)
Same here, still holding to my 3700X. Glad it's present in the charts.
I'm still using 1800X and gaming just fine at 1440p lol
Hi GN, do you know when we can expect reviews for the new 3d chips to drop?
Like the new set config.
Ryzen 7 7700 will be an awesome upgrade from my old i7 3770k
Well, this is exactly what I was saying in the announcement video for these. When the X3D CPUs hit, it's going to be even worse, they're definitely going to have to just cancel some of these SKUs because they're cannibalizing themselves.
I can imagine that maybe they won't cannibalize themselves at all as enthusiasts will buy the non-X CPUs and clock them as needed while OEM/prebuilt systems will be sold with X-CPUs and gamers will buy the X3D-SKUs
Except they aren't - TDP is an important metric wherever electricity is expensive to produce or can't be generated by renewable sources. I'm thankfully in a country that uses nearly 90% cheap green energy, so I don't give much of a damn about having a super high efficiency part in my personal rig, but anyone in Europe would very much be considering the Ryzen 7000 non-X line for their superior efficiency.
@@grrkaa8450 If they're sold through retailers, they're, by definition, not being used by OEMs. I'd be able to go to any retailer and see a 7900, 7900X AND 7900X3D, all close in price to each other or close to another SKU. All three can't properly exist together. We're already seeing here that the 7700 is pointless because of other SKUs. And then there's Intel.
Typically, you only have one or maybe two pointless SKUs in a generation but here, it's much more than that.
@@Gabu_ You know you can toggle PBO on both the X and non-X chips right? TDP doesn't mean anything here.
And to he honest, most don't give a damn about the energy cost. Even less would care about the energy cost difference between these SKUs.
@Gabriel Guedes Balogo there's also price as a huge factor. a lot of people don't have thousands of dollars for a new pc, and they're going to try to find the best fps to dollar ratio they can. the 7000 non x series has that better than anyone at the moment. I do hope the incoming non k Intel chips are still competitive though, because as much as I typically prefer amd cpus over intel, I prefer competition more.
For the upcoming X3D cpus could you please test them under windows 10/11 and a linux distro, such we can see how the scheduler matters.
You should do CPU encoding via FFMPEG benchmarks.
A value proposition for AMD is the AM5 platform where I can upgrade to a new cpu in a few years and don't have to change anything else. If I build a 13th gen intel, I'm stuck on a dead Plattform and could only trade up to an i9 or something (which is already power hungry now and will be even more inefficient in comparison to newer chips).
In theory yes. In practice, sometimes putting a new chip on an old board is a PITA even with a BIOS upgrade. I have found that with a Crosshair VI hero (X370) - originally ran a 1st gen Ryzen, has since had a 3700X and a 5600 on it, both 'work' but there's some odd issues like being stubborn to POST at stock XMP timings.
For me it's about security. 13600k is best performance I can afford for now. I could go with AMD but with energy crisis, war on my border and inflation I have no idea, if in 3-4 years I will be able to afford even a new CPU.
13600K for the other hand seems like safe bet for 10 year build.
Personally I prefer to buy the fatest for my price range, and then I sell my pc and buy a new one every 3 year.
So you don't have to think about change a single thing for 3 year
That's also assuming you'd need a new cpu upgrade in 2 generations which you absolutely won't if you're a gamer. These cpus are way too powerful for even the am4 platform support duration be a big factor let alone the shorter am5 one. The only thing I can see realistically being carried over is ddr5 ram which is available on both.
@@Michal_Bauer that's one big point. 20 threads is more than future proof.
The main problem for AMD right now is that Intel did to them exactly what AMD did to them when releasing 1st gen Ryzen. They moved the segments. I5 13600 has more cores than predecessor, which makes it more cores than competition. AMD needs to do the same on 8XXX series to stay competitive.
And there's me eyeing up the Radeon VII branded acrylic brick with an RX 7900-series GPU sat atop it.
Does no one else heard the weird echo during the ad when talking about the colour options? This is at least the second video where I heard that.
hey GN, if its not a lot of work on your end, and people are interested, could you also test/show idle powerdraw?
I think it's too much dependand on the motherboard you choose which means that they'd need a fully kitted out performance MoBo and a barebones efficiency-MoBo which would drastically increase their testing efforts for only a small part of their viewers
@@grrkaa8450 No. Intel REKTS AMD there. Big-Little is the reason.
Tech Notice already tested that, if you combine iddle power draw and load for real world productivity (anything that isn't Cinebench or CPU based Blender render because you would use NVIDIA GPUs to accelerate those workloads). 12th gen i7, i5, and 13th gen i5 DESTROY the initial Ryzen 7000 lineup for perfomance per watt, literally TWICE the perfomance per watt for Intel:
th-cam.com/video/JHWxAdKK4Xg/w-d-xo.html
@@grrkaa8450 Some testers measure current on the 12v plug to the CPU socket.
Re the power/efficiency testing, is it possible please to include the 5950X in the charts? It would be fascinating to see how it compares to the other SKUs aswell as Intel's offerings.
Suggestion for an MMO to benchmark: Throne and Liberty
It is coming out later this year and supports DLSS3 (and should be popular, hopefully)
There seems to be a slight audio glitch in your Hyte sponsor spot. The "like" in "like this bright red" is distorted.
feeling great about my 270 USD 12700F right now!
There's a lot of talk about building a cheaper system on 13th gen with DDR4. But how do they charts differ under DDR4 RAM? Aren't the tests conducted on DDR5?
yeah it always irks be a bit when people make that DDR4 point without a huge asterisk. Hardware Unboxed did some DDR4 vs 5 comparison on ADL and RPL. It is as expected heavily workload and game dependent, sometimes it doesn't matter, but often it does and then those tiny
It depends, there will be many cases where the difference is negligible, but on the other hand you could also find benchmarks where the difference is upwards of 20%. I'd say on average the performance deficit will be outweighed by the price difference, so it's good that there's at least an option for more budget-minded buyers.
IMO the most interesting combo to watch will be 13400/13500+DDR4 for budget productivity/gaming hybrid builds, whereas if you have the money to blow on a 13700k or better, you should just bite the bullet and get DDR5.
Yeah, depending on the workload, it completely annihilates the meaning of going for 13th gen with DDR4, as a similarly priced Zen4 system will perform the same or better.
The name reminds me of my old i7-7700k , what a lovely cpu at the time
The end of the story is that you should pick up whatever is cheaper inside your build, especially with the motherboard and memory pricing and focus on the GPU. It won't make any difference anyway in the big scheme.
If you REALLY need to crunch code 24/7, then spend more and go top of the line.
I'm hesitant to get in on AM5 this early, the first couple AM4 motherboards eventually weren't compatible with the last am4 cpu's.
Until Alder lake, but by that time AM5 was almost out anyway.
They better make the AM5 MBs really upgradable this time around. Last time I wanted to go from a 1800x to a 5600x on the same MB the newer BIOS I had to upgrade to was a fu*king beta, so instead I had to resort to a 3600x.
The crosshair vi hero I have is compatible with the last set of AM4 cpus that were released.
I don't know how exactly the decision was made when it came to cpu compatibility, but I think most x370 boards were compatible. I can understand nearly no A320 boards being compatible as well as having some shaky compatibility on b350.
A lot of the early Zen motherboards were given the AM3+ treatment where they were noticeably made as lower budget parts. Needless to say that it was a very messy launch.
My Gigabye X570 Gaming K5 works with even the 5800x3d. It's a 2017 AM4 board. Try that with anything Intel.
@@valrond thats 4th gen AM4 platform genius, you arent as smart as you think
I would love to see if it's better to have a 7900x eco 105w or a 7900 pbo 105w
BOTH extremely INefficient in real world usage . The FAKE news about AMD being lower in power usage is being BUSTED . Look here : th-cam.com/video/JHWxAdKK4Xg/w-d-xo.html
I know how everyone is complaining about how your videos are boring, but honnestly since a bit you are putting not really more energy but more pacing, and staying less on the graphs, letting the people who are intrested by something witch is not the focus of the video pause themselves.
Also, i really like competition, my 5600X witch i bought 4 months ago is already getting shredded for a similar price, even if it's really good in gaming, and i oced it to 4.52 ghz boost (auto oc) and enabled PBO ect so i am drawing more than 100 watts, didn't really look but dang.
Theres still that audio glitch in the ad read.."li-like the red."