The beauty of meditation | J. Krishnamurti
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- The beauty of meditation | J. Krishnamurti
Extract from Public Talk #4, Brockwood Park, UK, 1969
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So one must be very clear, and directly find out for oneself whether the observer is the observed, or not. And this, again, is part of this whole thing called meditation. And when one goes into it very deeply you will see that the observer is the observed. When you are jealous, jealousy is not different from the entity that observes jealousy or is aware of jealousy; he is jealousy; he is the reaction which is called jealousy. And when there is no resistance to that thing which he has called jealousy as the observer, when there is no resistance but mere observation of that fact, then you will see that the word is not the thing, and therefore jealousy, which is not only awakened through the word, through memory, and thereby brings about the observer as different from the observed, and the understanding of all that frees the mind from jealousy, without effort.
And it is part of meditation - and I hope you are doing it as we are talking - if you don’t do it now you will never do it - it isn’t a thing that you go home and think about, you are doing it all the time as you are living, every minute of the day, as you walk, as you talk - and that’s the beauty of meditation, so that the mind becomes acutely aware of itself and therefore highly sensitive and intelligent and deeply honest, so that there is no distortion, no illusion. And it is also part of meditation to find out for oneself, freely, what is the nature of thinking, what is the beginning of thought, and whether thought, whether the mind can be completely still. And to find out when the action of thought is necessary and when it is not - thought being the reaction of knowledge, memory, experience, which is the past. And when we are thinking, we are living in the past; we are the past. Though thought may project the future, or assert it, only the present matters. It is still thought in operation. And thought is the past. And for most of us thought is so enormously important because we are living in the past, we are the past, and all our activities stem from the past. And it is part of that meditation to find out where the act of thinking is absolutely necessary, logical, healthy, clear, without any personal like and dislike interfering with thinking, and when thought must be absolutely quiet. If you have not done all this, meditation has very little meaning.
And one can meditate in the bus, washing dishes, wiping the floor, talking to another, but perhaps it may help sometimes to sit quietly by yourself, or when you walk by yourself in the wood or in the street, to observe yourself and your reactions, or to be completely quiet. You know, the whole idea of sitting in a certain posture, as they advocate it out of the East, is very simple. It is to sit straight so that the blood goes to your head properly. But if you slop over, doubled up, naturally it is much more difficult for the blood to go the head. And if the head is rather petty and short and narrow, limited, the blood can go to it enormously; it will still remain petty, narrow and stupid. And one should, if one is really serious about meditation, not only observe this whole thing that has been said this morning but also to see if the body can remain completely quiet. I do not know if you have tried to sit very quietly, eyes completely quiet, still, and your breathing regular. That’s another trick out of the East, that you must breathe very regularly - and there are various systems of breathing. You know, everything is reduced to a mechanical process, because obviously when you know how to breathe very deeply, the body becomes still and the mind becomes still. But the rest of it.
So all this is part of meditation, the learning of all this in oneself. Then here comes the most difficult part of communication. To communicate one must use words and also there is communication which is non-verbal, but the nonverbal state of understanding between ourselves, between you and the speaker, requires that you also have been through all this, otherwise you cannot possibly communicate. It is like leading somebody to the door; the rest of the process you will have to do yourself. And the whole promise of meditation is that you will have eventually a still mind, a mind that is highly awake - the promise that it is still, that is capable of going into itself to depths that are impossible for a mind that is full of effort. That is generally what is promised in all these systems. But when one discards all the systems, one sees the importance of having a very quiet mind, not a dull mind, not a mechanical mind but a mind that is very quiet, very still, observing. And silence is necessary to observe, to listen. If I am talking to myself all the time, offering opinions, judgments, evaluations, aggressive attitude because I have certain beliefs, I am not listening to you. I can only listen to you when the mind is completely quiet, listening, not resisting, agreeing or disagreeing, but actually listening with one’s whole being. For that there must be silence to listen. If you would see the beauty of a cloud or a tree you must look at it completely quietly. And in that quietness, if there is the observer different from the thing observed, it is not quiet.
So, they say take drugs in order to induce the mind chemically to observe so fantastically, so intensely, so intimately that the space between the observer and the thing observed disappears, or take drugs that will give you an insight to yourself. After all, a frightened mind taking a drug for the moment might free it from the fear, and therefore look, listen with that intensity, with that attention in which there is no observer. But that mind is still frightened after it has gone, gone over, has taken the trip, or whatever they take, do. There is still fear. So one depends more and more inwardly on something - drug, master, a guru, a belief - and therefore more and more dependence and more and more resistance and fear.
So meditation is the beginning of understanding of oneself - directly, not through some medium of drug or drink or excitement. It is there to be understood directly, simply - to understand oneself, to know oneself. The ending of sorrow is the beginning of self-knowing. And as most of us are burdened with a great many sorrows - and the ending of that sorrow is to understand oneself. And to understand oneself, one must observe without any distortion, without like and dislike, without saying, ‘This is good, I’ll keep; this is bad, I’ll put it away,’ but to observe so that the mind becomes completely alert, both at the conscious level as well as the deep levels, the hidden parts of the mind.
All this of course involves much more, really - I don’t know if we have time to go into it - the nature of the brain, whether the brain which is so conditioned for thousands and millions of years, whether that brain can be quiet, respond when it is absolutely necessary, but quiet. That is also part of meditation.
So when one has gone through all this, understood it, there comes a quietness, a silence, that is beyond all verbalisation. And it is necessary for the mind, if it would understand something beyond itself, beyond the projection of thought and time and bondage, which man has everlastingly sought - the immortal, the timeless. It is only then that perhaps the quiet mind can come upon it.
Thanks for the transcript. To me this excerpt is a crystallisation of much of what K has said through many talks. I listen again and again, profound and enlightening
Thank you so much? Could you activate the subtitles it would help a great deal of followers of Sri Krishnamurti 🙏
What a great man he is. Beautifully said
thanks for providing transcript. Please make it for all speech.
After reading this I came to know that the path is very long, cumbersome, and may be very tiring, only the knack of meditation can save me from long journey
Words spoken by Krishnamurti are itself meditation if you know how to observe. He is truly a mirror. I keep returning to his videos and audio every alternative day just to get back to meditative state which i tend to lose due to wordly chaos and constant churning of thoughts. Its a arduous exercise but worth undertaking. Krishnamurti is the least utilised asset by humanity, this is bizarre, yet ubiquitous and unobserved. Thanks for putting out his work in public domain.
I also find this to be very arduous - and essential to my life. When that state is not there, the mind, the “me,” causes all kinds of mischief, disorder, harm - to others and to myself.
I remember when I first listened to him I thought he was a charlatan
Now I recognise his brilliance.
@@rlgraves Very true! Negating everything of the whole structure of thought becomes arduous since we have been educated by least educated materially sick people. We are part of them and that momentum is just too strong to overcome.
Vartul Tiwari yes, have we been educated so wrongly that our minds are shaped by the process? And does it require constant attention, constant vigilance, or the mind goes right back to that conditioning, to inattention, and to the materialistic, superficial, chaotic state?
"arduous exercise" ... This means that there is significant effort that K says "DON'T put any effort - no effort whatsoever" ...
Is it because one is tethered ... to K or his words ... not directly observing the self?...
Mind becomes deeply honest. Honestly love it ❤️
True spirit and real essence of meditation 💞
The Transcript which is provided by the official channel in the comment section is tremendously useful, as the audio quality often is quite challenging. Please keep providing such transcripts along with the videos that are not close-captioned.
Absolutely agreed!
I cannot find transcript
If you are here then there is no need for any self proclaimed Guru, Sage or Saint in search for peace. JK is the final destination. Every other option is towards some registration or some money trap. U will never find, at any price, what is given here for free. Truly noble cause.
You said it
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Thank you for the people who are providing this information for us
15:21 Mediation is the beginning of understanding of oneself, directly.
No better words in planet than this regarding meditation.
So very true
K was full of emotion in his speech.
Present generation have to know the facts 💐🙏 like this way
Individual mind being constituent of universal mind has phenomenal contents/stuff since ages and contents of me therefore can't be erased at one go. But our possitive action towards the contents leading to further various divisions resulting in distortion. So, the individual, instead of adding, multiplying, and dividing can just keep quiet by observing the movement of thoughts. This would keep the mind under its original frame " undistorted"/unwired mind or brain...This is what I understood....
Thank you! Beautiful!
This is a very helpful excerpt. Thanks for posting.
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nice message from JK
For once I have stumbled upon something which is absolutely true honest and worth pursuing. I was looking at different ways of living life honestly, why I am here what is the purpose of life what is death, if death has to happen then why do we live. I am so thankful that I have started to find answers listening to JK . He is truly inspirational and and as he says find the way out of this jungle urself
This is IT !
Really thankful to have stumbled upon what K is pointing out
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K has given me the light, the beacon with which to see the dark world in which we live.
I am ever indebted 🙏🙏🙏
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My gratitudes for providing the TRANSCRIPTS👍😇
Cannot find transcript
brilliant
Nice awakening
Golden words 🙏🙏
Things i understood from this.
1) i love to breathe
2)I've to keep my spine straight.
3) Yes i'm afraid
4) I'm Brave
Who said that?
Wow when did we get away from seeing him talk 💯it's just a still picture! His foundation is changing his ways how he did it!!! I must say
Thank you for your comment. This talk does not exist on video, but only as an audio recording.
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Everything is an experience... There is no difference between the 2...I am attentive and yet I see my inattention but it is ok... I see the future and what can be... And at the same time I know how the body feels now... I hear the sounds as I try to focus... And yet the sounds are all inclusive... 35 years of self taught meditation and yet l have only learnt how to be HERE.
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Thanks for putting this video out. Krishnaji, is a great teacher and I admire his total openness on all the facets of live which drives man. Would love however, if its possible for the Official Channel of J Krishnamurti, to kindly present an audio version of the 'Awakening of Intelligence'. It would be greatly appreciated.
These are the full events from which the book 'The Awakening of Intelligence' was compiled:
Part 1: Two conversations with Jacob Needdleman:
Series: th-cam.com/play/PL1n30s-LKus6_ih5r81JcHtZTJgV_0r71.html
Part 2: Three talks in New York City (1971):
Series: th-cam.com/play/PL1n30s-LKus49PjjSg-qdY7xHk7-hVcFB.html
Part 3: Two conversations with Alain Naude (1971):
Discussion 1: th-cam.com/video/zsJckds1KfY/w-d-xo.html
Discussion 2: th-cam.com/video/hgMWhwB9upA/w-d-xo.html
Part 4: Two conversations with Swami Venkatesananda
Series: th-cam.com/play/PL1n30s-LKus7ujisOkATXRGXBowV9XAkU.html
Part 5: Three talks in Madras and Part 6: Four dialogues in Madras (1967-1968)
Audios not yet available
Part 7: Seven talks in Saanen and Part 8: Five dialogues in Saanen (1971)
Series th-cam.com/play/PL1n30s-LKus4isc4-wf_ssf6dMLI2Ol66.html
Part 9: Two talks at brockwood (1971)
Series: th-cam.com/play/PL1n30s-LKus7SYHGvR9eY9p89ZzZZZeZI.html
Part 10: Discussion with a small group
Discussion 1: th-cam.com/video/Th-VVCTOfYc/w-d-xo.html (from series: th-cam.com/play/PL1n30s-LKus4iXsQKwnptoJ4I8G_q8O4k.html)
Part 11: Discussion with David Bohm (1972)
Discussion: th-cam.com/video/tIcFiw_bjt8/w-d-xo.html
J. Krishnamurti - Official Channel Thank you very much. Appreciate this immensely🙏🙏🙏
Thankyou sir
"Observer is the observed, or not. And this, again, is part of this whole thing called meditation," so how "observer is observed" and "meditation" connect?
K says "Being aware of the "observer is observed" is beginning [and ending] of meditation " ...
The observer is my past knowledge and the value (the whole system of the past values from the tradition, faith, belief about myself, and so on, that I have been growing up and maturing within the head- memory ...).
The observed then is coming from that past knowledge, has been formed out of this past.
Therefore, I have been formed and have lived in it, so the "observer = observed = past" ...
K says "Understanding oneself directly without any means, drugs ... = ending of sorrow = beginning of understanding oneself" and then comes is "beginning = ending" ... I am- the knowing oneself is the journey of meditation ...? Journey of understanding oneself is Meditation = spirituality ...
Its knowledge of silent is important to lead life
I am that which perceives all, but cannot be perceived 🙏🙂
And yet, no effort made to be quiet.
This is also another kind of science because when u analize things apart and look into them thats a scients and the scients is never the ultimate thruth therefore freedom dosent exist only more understanding of oneself but also this is inside one or inside "is" and when evrything is one how you can be free and go out of it there is not out of it because the pretendation that your out of it is also inside one also what i am saying is inside one TRUE FREEDOM IS JUST ANOTHER ILLUSION but if you want to call it realization of truth freedom go ahed
Sitting straight and breathing properly is not to do with blood, it is to do with CSF fluid to achieve a certain body state. It is not meditation, but, that's not to say a certain body state doesn't have advantages for certain actions
Sir ,you don't like the concept of "how to do ".
Don't read the comments💬
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