Dorothy Kilgallen was also nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, for her Reporting, for The Coronation of Queen Elizabeth II....Dorothy was an Exceptional News Paper Woman, played Fantasticly on What's My Line, therefore, in today's Society, she is mostly forgotten, However, in my Life & Heart, that will never happen....
She was one of a kind! Especially in those days when women depended upon men for their sustenance, she was way ahead of her time and knowledge of things.
@James Doolittle In 1955, Person to Person featured Ed Murrow in New York talking to Clint Murchison Senior and his family who were in Texas. Immediately after the Murchisons said goodnight to CBS viewers, Murrow said hello to Martin Gabel and Arlene Francis who were in a midtown Manhattan apartment. That was nine-and-a-half months before the segment with the Kollmar family that you see here, so we know that technology for live telecasts from distant places worked beautifully for at least a few years prior to Murrow’s visit to the Kollmars.
Analog broadcasts have effectively no delay at all. Electrical signals going through a wire and radio waves traveling through the air move at the speed of light, meaning they can travel all the way around the earth in less than a second. The delays in modern transmission are a result of the digital encoding and compression, not the distance between the points of transmission and reception.
These PERSON TO PERSON shows of the 1950s were preplanned to the extreme with bulky and heavy TV cameras and cables. You can do these shows today with only a cell phone . Back then a segment that lasted 10 minutes took the days to stage and then break down after the telecast .
No, no we couldn't... Very unhappy & mean spirited entertainment/gossip columnist. Like to put on airs & act like her world was perfect. Sadly, that was never the case. Her husband had a secret lover (male) as did Dorothy. She also drank & used drugs to excess. A sad end to a career/life that started early & ended sadly.
@Knocky Wigglesworth What is your source on Dorothy Kilgallen’s excessive use of drugs? Her autopsy doesn’t count as a source. That only tells you what she swallowed immediately before she died. You need another source to prove what her history of taking medicine was like.
Dorothy's young son Kerry was actually fathered by singer Johnny Ray, according to attorney Mark Shaw. Kerry and Ray look strikingly similar. After Dorothy died, her husband Dick Kollmar disowned Kerry and married his long-standing mistress Anne Fogarty. At Dorothy's funeral, her mother screamed, "You killed my daughter!" She was not screaming at the mafia, FBI or CIA. She was screaming at Dick Kollmar.
She looked more like she was born in the 1930's not 1913. Like Dennis Day she always appeared much younger than her actual age. It is incredible that she was 43 years old at this time in 1956. She always looked over 20 years younger than her actual age even into her last years.
At this time Ed Murrow was the superstar newsman at CBS . He was the man . He only agreed to this type of celebrity's program to have a free hand in doing hard hitting news programs . Good night and good luck !
@joe You are mostly correct. Exceptions include the missing first half of this January 20, 1956 live telecast of Person to Person. (CBS archives might have it.) During that segment, Ed Murrow interviewed the Turner family who lived on a farm in Champaign - Urbana, Illinois. Another exception to the show business domination of Person to Person was the segment with Drew Pearson on January 27, 1956. If you do not know who he was, you can find his Wikipedia article.
Starting with 3 minutes 45 seconds, when Dorothy and Dick are in their 2nd floor dining room, some video was lost. In the kinescope film that the CBS network archive has, they walk out of the dining room and climb the stairs. While they are climbing, Dorothy mentions to Dick that their “black room” has a painting of his great-great-grandfather who served as vice president of the United States during the 19th century. Possibly Alan Eichler can explain the technical glitch. Alan’s edit of the kinescope film does have the moments when Dick is directing the camera crew’s attention to that painting. They have climbed the stairs by then.
@Tim Nail Everything commentators say about Dorothy Kilgallen can be confirmed by primary sources - except the part about her friend keeping the JFK notes. The friend was Florence Pritchett Smith. If Dorothy tried to contact her shortly before November 7, 1965, Dorothy would have learned she was dying of leukemia. November 7, 1965 was when Dorothy traveled from her Manhattan brownstone to CBS Studio 52 (What’s My Line facility) for the last time.
Whats strange too is that her friend that she gave her manuscript to(in case something happened to her), died two days later although it was from a cerebral hemorrhage
@Susan Rutherford Throughout the 1990s, Kerry Kollmar taught self-defense to women and to physically challenged children in Marietta, Georgia. Kerry’s company was called Martial Hearts
What a lovely and ebullient personality, the house is beyond stunning, I wonder where she got her wealth, so much exquisite taste and it was so completely and beautifully Victorian in style.
@Debra It is not very complicated anymore because the people who knew the details tried talking about it decades later, but they could not use social media. Their information was lost.
Sadly this was all for show. Their marriage was a disaster at this point as Dorothy caught her husband in flagrante delicto with another man and Dorothy herself having multiple affairs even mothering their third child with singer Johnny Ray whom her husband later disowned after her untimely death.
@@marcleblanc3602 Husband Dick looked tense when he gestures toward the baby boy. That was because he was not the boy's biological father. Johnnie Ray was. If Dorothy had brought Johnnie on-camera for this segment, or if she had mentioned his name on the air, that would have ruined her career, her husband Dick's and Johnnie's musical career.
@Old School Muscle Dorothy did not have "multiple affairs." She was linked to her husband Dick, to Johnnie Ray and to Ron Pataky. Some men who defend the Warren Commission conclusions portray her as sexually promiscuous. They do that to try to discredit her investigation of Oswald and Jack Ruby.
@@kathrynfauble9053 As if true that would be so much worst then her husband /men being Cheaters, or Swingers that is just fine (animal) behavior. Rings with a lot of suspicious cases, Thomas Baron whistleblowing on Apollo fire.
As fulfilling a life that she lived, she was hated by many people as loved and admired her. Nonetheless, her life was sn amazing one. I wonder what her kids did with their lives. Anyone know?
@@jeanmarie4462Frank Sinatra, some members of the mafia, J Edgar Hoover. Lauren Bacall called Dorothy a "bitch" in an interview years after this aired.
@@melianna999 That rule worked for him until he got to Mia Farrow, which was an attempt to stay cool. Dorothy refused his advances and called him out and like a petulant little boy had a tantrum and held a grudge.
"suicided" after her in the cell interview with Jack Ruby after declaring she would break the JFK killing case wide open. after her death, her friend who had her notes was also killed, the notes "lost". what a fabulous home they had.
@Just think Everything you say except the part about Dorothy’s friend can be confirmed by primary sources. The friend was Florence Pritchett Smith. If Dorothy tried to contact her shortly before November 7, 1965, Dorothy would have learned she was dying of leukemia. November 7, 1965 was when Dorothy traveled from her Manhattan brownstone to CBS Studio 52 (What’s My Line facility) for the last time.
Dorothy interviewed Jack Ruby in the Judge's chambers, adjacent to the courtroom. They got to talk privately for about 1/2 hour, unrecorded, and only those two knew what was said.
@Michael Olbrych If you are referring to Dickie Kollmar, son of Dorothy and Dick, yes he could have socialized with Ethel Merman’s son in the 1950s, but the friendship possibly ended in 1960 when Dickie began a job as a sanitation worker on Fire Island, an expensive vacation area. By the time Dickie lost his mother (November 8, 1965), he had been estranged for many years from other offspring of famous people. A few years later Dickie became a devout Buddhist. Only once after that did he reunite with someone whose Manhattan lifestyle resembled the circumstances of his upbringing : Jean Bach, documentary filmmaker best known for A Great Day In Harlem.
@old Mister Howard The painting was sold at a Manhattan second-hand shop called Everybody’s Thrift Shop. This happened after Dorothy died. Dick Kollmar arranged for the portrait to be sold there.
@@kathrynfauble9053 Kathryn, Thank You. In my opinion that was quite heartless of Mr. Kollmar to sell that painting of Dorothy. It says quite a lot about his true feelings for her. Mr. Kollmar could have gifted it to one of his children or perhaps to the parents of Dorothy. As far as you know, is there are any record of who it was that bought the Dorothy Kilgallen painting?
@@oldmisterhoward1913 No, not as far as I know. Our source on Everybody's Thrift Shop (in Manhattan) is Dorothy's friend Marc Sinclaire. He saw it on display there after she died. He did not buy it. Eventually, the painting was no longer on display there. Marc had no way of knowing who had bought it.
Thanks for this! Do you happen to have an airdate for this? I know it is 1956 but I am interested in the date or at least the month if that's possible?
“Kilgallen” by Lee Israel was one of my favorite reads. Highly recommend it. Unfortunately, other comments are correct, this is a completely falsified view of their home life. Sad.
@Carol Heyen The telecast includes some important truths. Do you notice Dorothy is a lot more intelligent than her husband? Do you notice he lives in her shadow? [new paragraph and switch to past tense] These realities had a huge impact on their marital sex life, or the lack of it. The phoniness of their marriage had a lot to do with the inability of the NYPD to investigate her death.
Cribs 56. "Ed, I would like you to meet my daughter and eh..." points to Dorothy and Johnnie's son like he didn't know (he was introduced later). Did any of the house have any Richards ideas on decoration I wonder? Maybe the eagles.
@Dios67 Yes, a lot of the interior decorating was done by Richard Kollmar, some of it by collaborating with Dorothy. He located in various stores the toy banks in which you could insert coins. Richard also searched for and found some of the eagles, and Dorothy found other eagles. Difficult to do without the internet.
Sure d g would have been so upset that sweet little boy disowned yrs after her death don't get great vibe about her husband but dorothy kilgallen thought lovely here
You know, it reminds me of the movie, "Laura" since the main character, played by Gene Tierney, had a portrait of herself hanging in her living room, in much the same way as Dorothy Killgallen. I wonder if it is now part of a museum collection.
How she could live in that royalty style/ butler, cook, hairdresser etc/ ,She was just reporter and for "What's my line" she received $500 per episode?? . Her husband didn't work.
@@melianna999 Her estate was broke when she died. Left nothing to her kids. She was living from paycheck to paycheck. She had a book deal with random house for a book about crime but never finished it. They cobbled it together from her notes after her death.
Doing the little masking hostess housewife tour makes her anxious. It's too bad she and Murrow couldn't have a real conversation about something politically juicy. I wonder if she was an agent, like Julia Child. Also, what a beautiful, classic gracious home and posh antique social schedule with the cute kids.! She obviously adores them. Check out Mae Brussel and her Kennedy assassination/coup reporting if you want to learn more about her and all the other witnesses who dropped dead. Makes the rumored Clinton kill list look tiny. 😬😅
My guess she didn't have salvation: she made her money rating out other peoples problems. yet her own is what brought her down. The Irony in all of this show piece: High society of the 50's, One would think if anything were to happen to her, as in being murdered: The person or persons would of been brought to justice: which was never the case. It never was resolved... Her last known famous words, I have information that will blow the lid right off of this: Now suppose who in her circle of people who would in her mind's eye were trust worthy of such acclamation. the rest is history.........
@Sojourning_ You are wrong about "Her last known famous words." Her last known words, never mentioned publicly between 1966 and 1994, consisted of her comeback to Bennett Cerf's comment about sportswriter Elinor Kaine: "Oh, I thought you were going to say something about a forward pass." In December 1994, the Game Show Network revived entire episodes of What's My Line. In 1975 and 1976, the ABC network had aired a 25th anniversary special for the series. It switches from a short video clip to another short video clip to another. Dorothy's "forward pass" joke is not included. The video of her joke could have been revived in December 1994. It definitely circulated later in the 1990s.
she was complicated, she loved the celebrity she had and let her ego get the better of her, she could be quite ruthless and feuded with many jack paar and frank sinatra hated her
@sugarjoe50 Throughout the 1940s and 1950s, Richard pursued a lot of women and slept with some of them. He had funds for numerous stays at Manhattan hotels.
You wouldnt thing whe was big money from the Show. Nor the type to have affairs (after 13 years), aint it trip finding your husband in bed with a man? Didnt they have protection in those days, guess she could afford it at that stage.
There is nothing "outstanding" about either of Mark Shaw's books. Not unless you get your kicks reading some of the most sloppily researched works of "history" put down and loaded with ridiculous innuendo.
@epaddon Mark Shaw admitted during his Allen, Texas public library speech that he doesn’t know what Jack Ruby told Dorothy. Possibly, she did not have anything substantial from that interview to publish. She still could have been murdered. You are remiss if you know nothing about Ron Pataky. He was a narcissistic sociopath. Members of his extended family, such as cousins, have confirmed he was a narcissistic sociopath. His surviving brother Craig Pataky was 18 years his junior and possibly has no first-hand knowledge of Ron’s actions in New York City. Ron Pataky was using Dorothy Kilgallen to try to launch a New York City career for himself. If this did not lead anywhere over a period of a year and five months after they first met, she could have tried to break up with him. This could have given Pataky a motive for murder. Another possibility is that despite Jack Ruby’s solitary actions and his madness, Oswald could have had an accomplice or a mentor, and Dorothy could have discovered such classified data. Ron Pataky definitely was clueless about Oswald and Ruby. This is clear to the many people who have contacted Ron. He likes to brag about what he knows about the 1950s and 1960s, and he never brags or drops hints about the truth of the shootings of JFK, Tippit or Oswald.
@epaddon Mark Shaw admitted during his 2019 Allen, Texas public library speech that he doesn’t know what Jack Ruby told Dorothy. Possibly, she did not have anything substantial from that interview to publish. She still could have been murdered. You are remiss if you know nothing about Ron Pataky. He is a narcissistic sociopath. Members of his extended family, such as cousins, have confirmed he is a narcissistic sociopath. His brother Craig Pataky is 18 years his junior and was a child in Ohio in 1964 and 1965. During those years, Ron Pataky was using Dorothy Kilgallen to try to launch a New York City career for himself. This did not lead anywhere over a period of a year and five months after they first met. Possibly she tried to break up with him. This could have given Ron Pataky a motive for murder. Another possibility is that despite Jack Ruby’s solitary actions and his madness, Oswald could have had an accomplice or a mentor, and Dorothy could have discovered such classified data. Ron definitely was clueless about Oswald and Ruby. This is clear to the many people who have contacted Ron. He likes to brag about what he knows about the 1950s and 1960s, and he never brags or drops hints about the truth of the shootings of JFK, Tippit or Oswald.
@epaddon “Ridiculous innuendo” - your words - comes from your assumption that Dorothy didn’t have a dangerous secret about Oswald or Ruby, therefore she wasn’t murdered, therefore her occasional slurred speech in 1964 and 1965 serves as evidence of how she died. That is your twisted logic. You are too lazy to consult the primary sources that Mark Shaw used, and so what if he misunderstands them? You have the option of understanding correctly the primary sources about Dorothy and her interactions with people. You know nothing about violence against women, so Ron Pataky’s behavior is beyond your comprehension. He killed her because of the trouble he thought she was causing him. He had no connection to a conspiracy, but so what? Neither did Claus von Bülow. Ron Pataky is a narcissistic sociopath. Sound familiar, Eric Paddon?
@@davidhenschel1990 Ah, Mr. Henschel. How amusing to see you crawl out of the woodwork after all these decades and actually use your own name again after decades of aliases and stealing other people's identities and revealing once again your weirdo necrophiliac-like obsession with Kilgallen that has gone on for decades.😏
@epaddon is ripping off Dorothy Kilgallen’s style of using quotation marks when they are not needed. I have read several of his TH-cam comments. His gossipy tendencies, with targets such as Gene Roddenberry of all people, set off gaydar, not that there’s anything wrong with that.
you are right. But it cannot compare to the media's portrayal of JFK and Jackie. Or for that matter, Raymond Burr, Montgomery Clift and Rock Hudson to name a few
They were great actors then, but there was some real bad stuff going on. They played it off with great restraint. I just found out Kerry is a private Detective, and that Jill and JR actually wrote a book about Dorothy.
@dorothykilgallenwasmurdere1653 Kerry is not known to have done work such as that. He is employed by a corporation that rents commercial trucks to thousands of customers. His much-older sister Jill has not written a book. She could be Kerry's half-sister. She does not comment on issues such as that.
@@dorothykilgallenwasmurdere1653. Reddit is not always a reliable source of information. Sara Jordan’s book is a solid source on Dorothy Kilgallen and Dick Kollmar.
Dorothy Kilgallen was also nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, for her Reporting, for The Coronation of Queen Elizabeth II....Dorothy was an Exceptional News Paper Woman, played Fantasticly on What's My Line, therefore, in today's Society, she is mostly forgotten, However, in my Life & Heart, that will never happen....
She was very sharp and quite with it on the What's My Line show the day before she passed. I believe she was sadly murdered.
She was read the reporter who knew to much
I believe she was murdered too!
Her death is as mysterious as Mr Kennedys.
@@susanbrogan3267 Mary Pinchot Mayer,Marilyn Monroe,Dorothy Killgallen and Kennedy...purely coincidence,nothing to see here 🤫
Such a Darling! So sad that she was “bumped off” 😢😢
I will never forget Dorothy Kilgallen on the What’s My Line Show. She was really sharp. She is missed by many. 🩷
Dorothy Kilgallen was also nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, for her Reporting, for The Coronation of Queen Elizabeth II....Dorothy was an Exceptional News Paper Woman, played Fantasticly on What's My Line, therefore, in today's Society, she is mostly forgotten, However, in my Life & Heart, that will never happen....
She was one of a kind! Especially in those days when women depended upon men for their sustenance, she was way ahead of her time and knowledge of things.
❤️👍
This technology was pretty advanced for 1956. No delays in between. This is basically like a zoom call.
@James Doolittle In 1955, Person to Person featured Ed Murrow in New York talking to Clint Murchison Senior and his family who were in Texas. Immediately after the Murchisons said goodnight to CBS viewers, Murrow said hello to Martin Gabel and Arlene Francis who were in a midtown Manhattan apartment.
That was nine-and-a-half months before the segment with the Kollmar family that you see here, so we know that technology for live telecasts from distant places worked beautifully for at least a few years prior to Murrow’s visit to the Kollmars.
They pretty much hade a podcast from their home too.
Thats what i was thinking. Seemed a little strange.
Morrow is in Manhattan and she and her husband are on the upper Eastside of Manhattan NYC.
Analog broadcasts have effectively no delay at all. Electrical signals going through a wire and radio waves traveling through the air move at the speed of light, meaning they can travel all the way around the earth in less than a second. The delays in modern transmission are a result of the digital encoding and compression, not the distance between the points of transmission and reception.
Great post. I always liked Dorothy Kilgallen.
These PERSON TO PERSON shows of the 1950s were preplanned to the extreme with bulky and heavy TV cameras and cables. You can do these shows today with only a cell phone . Back then a segment that lasted 10 minutes took the days to stage and then break down after the telecast .
Very good observations!
Still, amazing technology for its time!
This is really interesting. We could use Dorothy Kilgallen today.
No, no we couldn't... Very unhappy & mean spirited entertainment/gossip columnist. Like to put on airs & act like her world was perfect. Sadly, that was never the case. Her husband had a secret lover (male) as did Dorothy. She also drank & used drugs to excess. A sad end to a career/life that started early & ended sadly.
@Knocky Wigglesworth What is your source on Dorothy Kilgallen’s excessive use of drugs? Her autopsy doesn’t count as a source. That only tells you what she swallowed immediately before she died. You need another source to prove what her history of taking medicine was like.
@@knockywigglesworth1909 What's your source for these comments ?
@@knockywigglesworth1909 Names????
what for - an ad for chin transplants?
Dorothy's young son Kerry was actually fathered by singer Johnny Ray, according to attorney Mark Shaw. Kerry and Ray look strikingly similar. After Dorothy died, her husband Dick Kollmar disowned Kerry and married his long-standing mistress Anne Fogarty. At Dorothy's funeral, her mother screamed, "You killed my daughter!" She was not screaming at the mafia, FBI or CIA. She was screaming at Dick Kollmar.
What a life they lived
These people seem so good on the surface.
She looked more like she was born in the 1930's not 1913. Like Dennis Day she always appeared much younger than her actual age. It is incredible that she was 43 years old at this time in 1956. She always looked over 20 years younger than her actual age even into her last years.
43 isn't old, bro.
@@aloysiusdevanderabercrombi470 it's not that young, either, considering lots of people pass away in their 60s, like my Mom.
Her family had excellent genes. Both her parents and her sister lived into advanced age.
Beautiful home. I am sure it must be worth 30 or 40 million today.
At this time Ed Murrow was the superstar newsman at CBS . He was the man . He only agreed to this type of celebrity's program to have a free hand in doing hard hitting news programs . Good night and good luck !
@joe You are mostly correct. Exceptions include the missing first half of this January 20, 1956 live telecast of Person to Person. (CBS archives might have it.)
During that segment, Ed Murrow interviewed the Turner family who lived on a farm in Champaign - Urbana, Illinois.
Another exception to the show business domination of Person to Person was the segment with Drew Pearson on January 27, 1956. If you do not know who he was, you can find his Wikipedia article.
I love this!
This is great to find. Dorothy would die in about 9 years. Kerry was disowned by Dick. It was assumed that the boy was Johnnie Ray's son.
she was so chill in her home... as compared to What's My Line when she always had her game face on!
RIP MIss Kilgallen, murdered for reporting and seeking the truth.
Thank you so much for this!
Starting with 3 minutes 45 seconds, when Dorothy and Dick are in their 2nd floor dining room, some video was lost. In the kinescope film that the CBS network archive has, they walk out of the dining room and climb the stairs. While they are climbing, Dorothy mentions to Dick that their “black room” has a painting of his great-great-grandfather who served as vice president of the United States during the 19th century. Possibly Alan Eichler can explain the technical glitch. Alan’s edit of the kinescope film does have the moments when Dick is directing the camera crew’s attention to that painting. They have climbed the stairs by then.
Loved this video
Her death was shrowded in mystery.
@Alan Senzaki shrouded
Love to know what was in her binder that was missing after her death. One of her friends had a copy and it mysteriously disappeared!
All about Kennedy’s murder.
@Tim Nail Everything commentators say about Dorothy Kilgallen can be confirmed by primary sources - except the part about her friend keeping the JFK notes.
The friend was Florence Pritchett Smith. If Dorothy tried to contact her shortly before November 7, 1965, Dorothy would have learned she was dying of leukemia.
November 7, 1965 was when Dorothy traveled from her Manhattan brownstone to CBS Studio 52 (What’s My Line facility) for the last time.
Whats strange too is that her friend that she gave her manuscript to(in case something happened to her), died two days later although it was from a cerebral hemorrhage
Love this
Her little boy was.so sweet i wonder where he is now
@Susan Rutherford Throughout the 1990s, Kerry Kollmar taught self-defense to women and to physically challenged children in Marietta, Georgia. Kerry’s company was called Martial Hearts
@@kelloggs5473 Thank you so much for that info !!
This New York house must be worth a fortune now..I wonder if it still exists
@dutchfan..
Is that room still all black???
@@stephenperretti8847 I could not sit in a room that was all black. Beyond morbid and morose.
Yes it does. 45 E. 68th St
What a lovely and ebullient personality, the house is beyond stunning, I wonder where she got her wealth, so much exquisite taste and it was so completely and beautifully Victorian in style.
Whoah- had no idea of the "complicated" personal life of all involved-Dorothy, Dick, etc. etc. Alan knows, I am sure.
Paging Johnnie Ray.
@Debra It is not very complicated anymore because the people who knew the details tried talking about it decades later, but they could not use social media. Their information was lost.
Alan who?
@@maddyhayes617 the person who posted this - who owns the channel
Sadly this was all for show. Their marriage was a disaster at this point as Dorothy caught her husband in flagrante delicto with another man and Dorothy herself having multiple affairs even mothering their third child with singer Johnny Ray whom her husband later disowned after her untimely death.
I thought that Johnny Ray was only involved with men...
@@randysills4418 looks not, married to Marilyn Morrison. Funny for a Bisexual the husband was uptight about the babyboy.
@@marcleblanc3602 Husband Dick looked tense when he gestures toward the baby boy. That was because he was not the boy's biological father. Johnnie Ray was. If Dorothy had brought Johnnie on-camera for this segment, or if she had mentioned his name on the air, that would have ruined her career, her husband Dick's and Johnnie's musical career.
@Old School Muscle Dorothy did not have "multiple affairs." She was linked to her husband Dick, to Johnnie Ray and to Ron Pataky. Some men who defend the Warren Commission conclusions portray her as sexually promiscuous. They do that to try to discredit her investigation of Oswald and Jack Ruby.
@@kathrynfauble9053 As if true that would be so much worst then her husband /men being Cheaters, or Swingers that is just fine (animal) behavior. Rings with a lot of suspicious cases, Thomas Baron whistleblowing on Apollo fire.
Put the cigarette out, Ed.
As fulfilling a life that she lived, she was hated by many people as loved and admired her.
Nonetheless, her life was sn amazing one.
I wonder what her kids did with their lives.
Anyone know?
I've looked into that before, and it seems like they both live very private lives
I never heard that she was "hated", a very descriptive and strong word for the 1950s. Who exactly hated her?
@@jeanmarie4462Frank Sinatra, some members of the mafia, J Edgar Hoover. Lauren Bacall called Dorothy a "bitch" in an interview years after this aired.
@@jeanmarie4462I’ve read Frank Sinatra didn’t like her.
@@melianna999 That rule worked for him until he got to Mia Farrow, which was an attempt to stay cool. Dorothy refused his advances and called him out and like a petulant little boy had a tantrum and held a grudge.
an amazing woman in a man's world... even in 2022 women are still faced with true free speech in politics 😎 rip Dorothy, 👩 another fbi handful
💙
Murrow's cigarette never burned down . Lol
only his lungs
"suicided" after her in the cell interview with Jack Ruby after declaring she would break the JFK killing case wide open. after her death, her friend who had her notes was also killed, the notes "lost". what a fabulous home they had.
@Just think Everything you say except the part about Dorothy’s friend can be confirmed by primary sources.
The friend was Florence Pritchett Smith. If Dorothy tried to contact her shortly before November 7, 1965, Dorothy would have learned she was dying of leukemia.
November 7, 1965 was when Dorothy traveled from her Manhattan brownstone to CBS Studio 52 (What’s My Line facility) for the last time.
@@kelloggs5473 where's Dorothy's notes? "lost"
@Just think Lost, that’s right. Florence Pritchett Smith never had them.
Wow her fried was killed too who was her friend name
Dorothy interviewed Jack Ruby in the Judge's chambers, adjacent to the courtroom. They got to talk privately for about 1/2 hour, unrecorded, and only those two knew what was said.
She was good friends with Ethel Merman and her son Bob and one if Dorothy's sons were also friends
@Michael Olbrych If you are referring to Dickie Kollmar, son of Dorothy and Dick, yes he could have socialized with Ethel Merman’s son in the 1950s, but the friendship possibly ended in 1960 when Dickie began a job as a sanitation worker on Fire Island, an expensive vacation area.
By the time Dickie lost his mother (November 8, 1965), he had been estranged for many years from other offspring of famous people. A few years later Dickie became a devout Buddhist. Only once after that did he reunite with someone whose Manhattan lifestyle resembled the circumstances of his upbringing : Jean Bach, documentary filmmaker best known for A Great Day In Harlem.
What ever became of that beautiful portrait of Dorothy?
@old Mister Howard The painting was sold at a Manhattan second-hand shop called Everybody’s Thrift Shop. This happened after Dorothy died. Dick Kollmar arranged for the portrait to be sold there.
@@kathrynfauble9053 Kathryn, Thank You.
In my opinion that was quite heartless of Mr. Kollmar to sell that painting of Dorothy. It says quite a lot about his true feelings for her. Mr. Kollmar could have gifted it to one of his children or perhaps to the parents of Dorothy. As far as you know, is there are any record of who it was that bought the Dorothy Kilgallen painting?
@@oldmisterhoward1913 No, not as far as I know. Our source on Everybody's Thrift Shop (in Manhattan) is Dorothy's friend Marc Sinclaire. He saw it on display there after she died. He did not buy it. Eventually, the painting was no longer on display there. Marc had no way of knowing who had bought it.
@@oldmisterhoward1913 I agree, what loving husband does that? I'd haunt my husband if he did that lol
Very awkward and somewhat bizarre body language between Richard and his daughter, Jill.
She died in 1965, some say under odd circumstances.
Thanks for this! Do you happen to have an airdate for this? I know it is 1956 but I am interested in the date or at least the month if that's possible?
@Sefina Friday night, January 20, 1956 - the CBS prime time schedule
What happened to their home? Is someone living there now?
@Stella Luna Nobody has lived in the brownstone for the past few years. It is on the New York residential real estate market.
“Kilgallen” by Lee Israel was one of my favorite reads. Highly recommend it. Unfortunately, other comments are correct, this is a completely falsified view of their home life. Sad.
@Carol Heyen The telecast includes some important truths. Do you notice Dorothy is a lot more intelligent than her husband? Do you notice he lives in her shadow? [new paragraph and switch to past tense]
These realities had a huge impact on their marital sex life, or the lack of it. The phoniness of their marriage had a lot to do with the inability of the NYPD to investigate her death.
Read the Spartacus Educational website entry for her... lots of details...
I appreciate your mention of Lee Israel’s book Killgalen. I’m going to try to find a copy of it.
Do you know if the "Person To Person" with Walt Kelly still exists?
We've been searching for it for many years.
That room in black is ghastly.
They were basically telling their every move to the public not knowing how dangerous the underworld of evil really was or is .
Cribs 56. "Ed, I would like you to meet my daughter and eh..." points to Dorothy and Johnnie's son like he didn't know (he was introduced later). Did any of the house have any Richards ideas on decoration I wonder? Maybe the eagles.
@Dios67 Yes, a lot of the interior decorating was done by Richard Kollmar, some of it by collaborating with Dorothy. He located in various stores the toy banks in which you could insert coins. Richard also searched for and found some of the eagles, and Dorothy found other eagles. Difficult to do without the internet.
A few years after Kilgallen's death, didn't Kollmar commit suicide? Can anything be made of that?
Yes, that was correct....Mr Kollmar, also remarried, tragically, Mr. Kollmar committed Suicide in 1971....
Sure d g would have been so upset that sweet little boy disowned yrs after her death don't get great vibe about her husband but dorothy kilgallen thought lovely here
One wonders why the young girl was made to wear false eyelashes! Kids should be seen in their natural beauty.
It’s a little strange to have a portrait made of yourself and hang it in the living room. Maybe it’s just me. Still interesting to see her home.
It reminds one of the multiple portraits that the character played by Gloria Swanson had in the living room in the movie Sunset Boulevard of herself .
You know, it reminds me of the movie, "Laura" since the main character, played by Gene Tierney, had a portrait of herself hanging in her living room, in much the same way as Dorothy Killgallen. I wonder if it is now part of a museum collection.
That's the beautiful townhouse in which Dorothy Kilgallen was unfortunately murdered
Quite the pad...
She died at age 52 and her husband at 60.
Their townhouse that she is showing us on East 68th st.has been recently gutted.
@larciabella Was this reported online by the New York Daily News, New York Post or New York Times?
Just so weird hearing her tell her husband to get the kids, including Kerry, knowing that Dick was not the father.
Did the Interviewer ever not have a cigarette in his lips!
Big house, but she was broke. She lived from paycheck to paycheck. There needs to be a movie about her life. She was an extraordinary woman.
But the political correctness of this society the truth wouldn't be told about her.
@@ramlinman2004 How would we know what the truth was?
How she could live in that royalty style/ butler, cook, hairdresser etc/ ,She was just reporter and for "What's my line" she
received $500 per episode?? . Her husband didn't work.
@@melianna999 Her estate was broke when she died. Left nothing to her kids. She was living from paycheck to paycheck. She had a book deal with random house for a book about crime but never finished it. They cobbled it together from her notes after her death.
@@thom6746 Sad.
What beautiful, elegant, sweet lady. She was murdered for doing her job because she stood for the truth. Did they ever catch the scum who did it?
No, Ms.Kilgallens death/Murder. Was never Resolved....No people or persons, we t e ever changed for Ms. Kilgallens death....
Doing the little masking hostess housewife tour makes her anxious. It's too bad she and Murrow couldn't have a real conversation about something politically juicy. I wonder if she was an agent, like Julia Child. Also, what a beautiful, classic gracious home and posh antique social schedule with the cute kids.! She obviously adores them. Check out Mae Brussel and her Kennedy assassination/coup reporting if you want to learn more about her and all the other witnesses who dropped dead. Makes the rumored Clinton kill list look tiny. 😬😅
My guess she didn't have salvation: she made her money rating out other peoples problems. yet her own is what brought her down. The Irony in all of this show piece: High society of the 50's, One would think if anything were to happen to her, as in being murdered: The person or persons would of been brought to justice: which was never the case. It never was resolved... Her last known famous words, I have information that will blow the lid right off of this:
Now suppose who in her circle of people who would in her mind's eye were trust worthy of such acclamation.
the rest is history.........
@Sojourning_ You are wrong about "Her last known famous words." Her last known words, never mentioned publicly between 1966 and 1994, consisted of her comeback to Bennett Cerf's comment about sportswriter Elinor Kaine: "Oh, I thought you were going to say something about a forward pass." In December 1994, the Game Show Network revived entire episodes of What's My Line. In 1975 and 1976, the ABC network had aired a 25th anniversary special for the series. It switches from a short video clip to another short video clip to another. Dorothy's "forward pass" joke is not included. The video of her joke could have been revived in December 1994. It definitely circulated later in the 1990s.
So funny how he has a cigarette in his hand.
That was a trademark. He always had a cigarette and he died of cancer.
The row of apartments where she lived looks like a tenement.
Multi-million dollar townhouses near Park Ave.
This was filmed in her Manhattan 5 story townhouse. Today each floor are separate multi-million dollar apartments.
Black rooms rule.
she was complicated, she loved the celebrity she had and let her ego get the better of her, she could be quite ruthless and feuded with many jack paar and frank sinatra hated her
Apparently he was a closeted gay man, much like Johnny Ray who Dorothy was involved with.
@sugarjoe50 Throughout the 1940s and 1950s, Richard pursued a lot of women and slept with some of them. He had funds for numerous stays at Manhattan hotels.
How pretentiously out of touch this interview must’ve seemed to the rest of America back then. I guess nothing has changed!
You wouldnt thing whe was big money from the Show. Nor the type to have affairs (after 13 years), aint it trip finding your husband in bed with a man? Didnt they have protection in those days, guess she could afford it at that stage.
nauseating
There is nothing "outstanding" about either of Mark Shaw's books. Not unless you get your kicks reading some of the most sloppily researched works of "history" put down and loaded with ridiculous innuendo.
@epaddon Mark Shaw admitted during his Allen, Texas public library speech that he doesn’t know what Jack Ruby told Dorothy. Possibly, she did not have anything substantial from that interview to publish. She still could have been murdered. You are remiss if you know nothing about Ron Pataky. He was a narcissistic sociopath. Members of his extended family, such as cousins, have confirmed he was a narcissistic sociopath. His surviving brother Craig Pataky was 18 years his junior and possibly has no first-hand knowledge of Ron’s actions in New York City. Ron Pataky was using Dorothy Kilgallen to try to launch a New York City career for himself. If this did not lead anywhere over a period of a year and five months after they first met, she could have tried to break up with him. This could have given Pataky a motive for murder. Another possibility is that despite Jack Ruby’s solitary actions and his madness, Oswald could have had an accomplice or a mentor, and Dorothy could have discovered such classified data. Ron Pataky definitely was clueless about Oswald and Ruby. This is clear to the many people who have contacted Ron. He likes to brag about what he knows about the 1950s and 1960s, and he never brags or drops hints about the truth of the shootings of JFK, Tippit or Oswald.
@epaddon Mark Shaw admitted during his 2019 Allen, Texas public library speech that he doesn’t know what Jack Ruby told Dorothy. Possibly, she did not have anything substantial from that interview to publish. She still could have been murdered. You are remiss if you know nothing about Ron Pataky. He is a narcissistic sociopath. Members of his extended family, such as cousins, have confirmed he is a narcissistic sociopath. His brother Craig Pataky is 18 years his junior and was a child in Ohio in 1964 and 1965. During those years, Ron Pataky was using Dorothy Kilgallen to try to launch a New York City career for himself. This did not lead anywhere over a period of a year and five months after they first met. Possibly she tried to break up with him. This could have given Ron Pataky a motive for murder. Another possibility is that despite Jack Ruby’s solitary actions and his madness, Oswald could have had an accomplice or a mentor, and Dorothy could have discovered such classified data. Ron definitely was clueless about Oswald and Ruby. This is clear to the many people who have contacted Ron. He likes to brag about what he knows about the 1950s and 1960s, and he never brags or drops hints about the truth of the shootings of JFK, Tippit or Oswald.
@epaddon “Ridiculous innuendo” - your words - comes from your assumption that Dorothy didn’t have a dangerous secret about Oswald or Ruby, therefore she wasn’t murdered, therefore her occasional slurred speech in 1964 and 1965 serves as evidence of how she died. That is your twisted logic. You are too lazy to consult the primary sources that Mark Shaw used, and so what if he misunderstands them? You have the option of understanding correctly the primary sources about Dorothy and her interactions with people. You know nothing about violence against women, so Ron Pataky’s behavior is beyond your comprehension. He killed her because of the trouble he thought she was causing him. He had no connection to a conspiracy, but so what? Neither did Claus von Bülow. Ron Pataky is a narcissistic sociopath. Sound familiar, Eric Paddon?
@@davidhenschel1990 Ah, Mr. Henschel. How amusing to see you crawl out of the woodwork after all these decades and actually use your own name again after decades of aliases and stealing other people's identities and revealing once again your weirdo necrophiliac-like obsession with Kilgallen that has gone on for decades.😏
@epaddon is ripping off Dorothy Kilgallen’s style of using quotation marks when they are not needed. I have read several of his TH-cam comments. His gossipy tendencies, with targets such as Gene Roddenberry of all people, set off gaydar, not that there’s anything wrong with that.
For some reason the good Lord decided to give Dorothy a very large forehead and practically no chin.
This show was stupid. A completely false impresion on peoples lives. Pseudo reality!
you are right. But it cannot compare to the media's portrayal of JFK and Jackie. Or for that matter, Raymond Burr, Montgomery Clift and Rock Hudson to name a few
And reality shows today are not the same?
They were great actors then, but there was some real bad stuff going on. They played it off with great restraint. I just found out Kerry is a private Detective, and that Jill and JR actually wrote a book about Dorothy.
@dorothykilgallenwasmurdere1653 Kerry is not known to have done work such as that. He is employed by a corporation that rents commercial trucks to thousands of customers. His much-older sister Jill has not written a book. She could be Kerry's half-sister. She does not comment on issues such as that.
@@kelloggs5473 I got that info from a poster on Reddit
@@dorothykilgallenwasmurdere1653. Reddit is not always a reliable source of information. Sara Jordan’s book is a solid source on Dorothy Kilgallen and Dick Kollmar.
Dorothy Kilgallen was also nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, for her Reporting, for The Coronation of Queen Elizabeth II....Dorothy was an Exceptional News Paper Woman, played Fantasticly on What's My Line, therefore, in today's Society, she is mostly forgotten, However, in my Life & Heart, that will never happen....