Is Jesus Michael the Archangel?
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- Chicken Scratch Apologetics. A quick look into the belief that Jesus is the same person as Michael the Archangel. Is this Biblical, or coming from someone's imagination? ( or dream )
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❤ Thanks for another great video teaching. Well explained with powerful verses of scripture. All blessings and favor over you and your family and ministry in Jesus name ❤
An interesting parallel comes from the “Apocalypse of Moses” in the Jewish pseudepigrapha. Immediatly after Adam and Eve had eaten the forbidden fruit, it says, “in that same hour, we heard the archangel Michael blowing with his trumpet and calling to the angels and saying: ‘Thus saith the Lord, Come with me to Paradise and hear the judgment with which I shall judge Adam.’ And when God appeared in paradise, mounted on the chariot of his cherubim with the angels proceeding before him and singing hymns of praises… And God called Adam…”[1]
The Lord is coming to earth to judge Adam. The archangel Michael proceeds the Lord with a shout and blowing of the trumpet announcing the coming of the Lord. _AFTER_ being preceded by the archangel Michael, who blows the trumpet and shouts his announcement, THEN the Lord calls to Adam. The parallel is hard to deny.
That being said, I still think that Psalm 47 is the allusion that Paul is making. Whereas in the psalm of ascent the Lord is going to be enthroned proceeded by shouts and trumpet blasts, now the Lord is making his descent to receive his bride as he is proceeded by a shout from the archangel and trumpet blasts.
Both allusions work well and in both cases it is clear that the Lord is not the one making the initial shout or blowing the trumpet but is proceeded by loyal subjects who announce his coming. Americans should recognize something similar in the protocol at the House of Representatives when the President comes. The sergeant at Arms walks into the house and with a loud voice announces the coming of the president of the United States.
[1] Apocalypse of Moses, translated by R.H. Charles, Oxford: Claredon Press, 1913.
This was very helpful! Ii shall point this out to them next time whenever I get the chance. Very clarifying! Thanx!
Revelation 12:7 Michael and his angels.
Matthew 24:31 Jesus and his angels.
Either there are two leaders of the angels or they are one and the same.
Just a thought.
@@tongakhan230 The Department Head and his workforce and the Factory Owner and his workforce. The same workforce in both cases but two leaders, one leader subordinate to the other leader.
@@spellbound111 : I would suggest that one get a proper dictionary and check what the term LEADER means.
A leader can only be ONE in a particular context.
Stay with what the Bible teaches. Looking for ways to circumvent what the scriptures teach is self deception. It will always run into problems when other relevant scriptures are taken into account.
Read Daniel 7:3,4 in which the angels bring ONE OF THEIR OWN into the presence of God. God then confers on this chosen angel rulership and stuff.
Jesus identifies himself with this angel by referring to himself by the term used for this chosen angel.
'To which of the ANGELS did God say...' - Hebrews 1:5,13.
@@tongakhan230 Jesus is not Michael the archangel. The Bible nowhere identifies Jesus as Michael (or any other angel, for that matter). Hebrews 1:5-8 draws a clear distinction between Jesus and the angels: “For to which of the angels did God ever say, ‘You are my Son; today I have become your Father’? Or again, ‘I will be His Father, and He will be my Son’? And again, when God brings His firstborn into the world, He says, ‘Let all God’s angels worship Him.’ In speaking of the angels He says, ‘He makes his angels winds, his servants flames of fire.’ But about the Son He says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The hierarchy of heavenly beings is made clear in this passage-angels worship Jesus who, as God, is alone worthy of worship. No angel is ever worshiped in Scripture; therefore, Jesus (worthy of worship) cannot be Michael or any other angel (not worthy of worship). The angels are called sons of God (Genesis 6:2-4; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7), but Jesus is THE Son of God (Hebrews 1:8; Matthew 4:3-6).
Michael the archangel is perhaps the highest of all the angels. Michael is the only angel in the Bible who is designated “the archangel” (Jude verse 9). Michael the archangel, though, is only an angel. He is not God. The clear distinction in the power and authority of Michael and Jesus can be seen in comparing Matthew 4:10 where Jesus rebukes Satan, and Jude verse 9, where Michael the archangel “dared not bring a judgment of blasphemy” against Satan and calls on the Lord to rebuke him. Jesus is God incarnate (John 1:1, 14). Michael the archangel is a powerful angel, but still only an angel.
@@spellbound111 : It is noted that Hebrews 1:9 is usually avoided as it debunks the Jesus being God theory.
For one thing. God will not call someone else God thus breaking his own commandment at Exodus 20:3.
If God commanded the angels to 'worship' Jesus, that would mean that UNTIL that command went out, the angels WERE NOT 'WORSHIPING' Jesus. Strange!
The angels were asked to respect or pay obeisance to Jesus' NEW SUPERIOR POSITION (Philippians 2:9).
BTW, Paul was quoting Psalms 45:6,7 which was FIRST used for a Judean King. Paul ALSO used it on Jesus.
Here is the deliberately ignored verse.
ESV Hebrews 1:9
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, YOUR GOD, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond YOUR COMPANIONS.”
Jesus, as an angel, can be chosen and anointed by God - HIS GOD. Jesus will also have companion angels from whom he was CHOSEN.
God doesn't have a God. Neither does God have companion Gods. Neither can God anoint himself.
Let us see what Hebrews starts off with.
Hebrews 1:2 Now at the end of these days (God) has spoken to us by means of A SON, whom he APPOINTED HEIR of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.
If we check what HEIR means, it is someone who will INHERIT some estate of someone when that someone DIES.
Since God will never die, Jesus is a permanent heir.
No one can APPOINT HIMSELF as his own heir. That would make no sense.
Jesus calls himself God's ONLY BEGOTTEN SON at John 3:16.
Begotten is from the verb 'to beget'. Which means 'to produce, create, bring into existence, give birth to'.
God cannot bring HIMSELF or even some part of himself into existence. God brought his firstborn son into existence.
Being the FIRST of the ANGELS, logically, he would be the Archangel.
Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATION;
Ignoring these scriptures won't make them disappear.
Stay with what the Bible DOES TEACH. Safer.
BTW in case one doesn't know why Jesus is called God's son. Angels are called God's SONS (Job 1:6). Jesus was SENT by God. God can only SEND an angel. Here is God's testimony as to whom he SENT.
Matthew 3:17 Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “THIS IS MY SON, the beloved, whom I have approved.”
The illogical usage of someone SENDING HIMSELF has still not come into vogue.
I trust the above will help.
As a ex-JW this was what they taught us and I accepted it without even using logic to see if it made sense or not. What I learned from being a JW for over 43 years is that we don't know the bible at all and what we know is what 8 men in NY are telling us. Thank you for the clear and precise understanding of the scriptures.
That sounds fishy. JWs are not taught that Jesus is Michael.
It just comes up as being of clinical interest. It is not part of the essential truths leading to baptism.
People who make such claims as one has, haven't even seen the inside of a Kingdom Hall.
@@tongakhan230 Tonga let me tell you this right now
Yes you guys do teach the Jesus Christ is Michael Plus in your own New World translation, I can use your New World translation of prove that Jesus Christ is God Jehovah. Did you know that the watchtower put it in their publication? Oh yes they absolutely do. Here is their website to verify it.
Before I give out the scriptures let me just put it this way, there is no anointed class, there is no faithful and discreet slave because there is no scripture that verifies that, and also, you guys have said multitudes of time is it Jesus Christ is Michael the Archangel the first created being by God Jehovah. That’s not what the New World translation says, in John chapter 1 verse one of the New World translation it says in the beginning was the Word it does not say at all ever at any time, in the beginning the word was created by Jehovah God or that the word had a beginning, no no no it says in the beginning the word already was the word was already there in the beginning, verifying that the word is an uncreated being that would mean that the word is the uncreated creator, as John verifies that Jesus Christ is the eternal Jehovah God in the flesh he verifies that. There’s a first statement Done destroyed the watchtowers done here’s the second statement Jesus himself claims to be the very God of Israel. Don’t believe me here’s scriptural evidence from your New World translation to verify what I’m saying, Jesus himself quotes psalm 95 verse seven here’s what it says from your New World translation For he is our God, and we are the people of his pasturage and the sheep of his hand.+
Today if YOU people listen to his own voice,+ then Jesus also quotes, Psalm 100 chapter 3 verse four, this is what the New World translation says Know that Jehovah is God.*+
It is he that has made us, and not we ourselves.*+
[We are] his people and the sheep of his pasturage.+
4 Come into his gates with thanksgiving,+
Into his courtyards with praise.+
Give thanks to him, bless his name.+ here is what Jesus says in John chapter 10 verse 11 about himself I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12 He who is a hired hand and not a shepherd, who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. 13 He flees because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice wait a minute, I thought the sheep heard gods voice jehovah gods voice why does Jesus say then that the Sheeple hear my voice and that they will know me he just claim to be God right there, you’re gonna say no he didn’t that doesn’t prove that he claimed to be God yes it does because in John chapter 10:30-33 The Jews picked up stones to Stone him, Jesus say which of these miracles have I shown you from the father and why are you planning on stoning me, they said we are not stoning you for the miracles that you have shown us, before blasphemy because you a mere man claimed to be god, Jesus verified from the Old Testament that he was truly in fact God of the Old Testament he verified that so did the Jewish religious leaders of his day. He was accused of blasphemy for claiming to be God oh yes Jesus just claimed to be God from those passages. Now I’m also gonna show you what your website calls Jesus, you guys keep saying in phatically that he’s Michael the Ar angel but here’s what your website says I will show you the footnotes, but I’m gonna show the Scriptures first.
@@jeremiahrowesr.3130 : If people are gullible enough to fall prey to fake Websites, they probably deserve it.
Stay with what the Bible Does Teach.
@@tongakhan230 here’s going to be the first scripture
That I am going to give to you. Here it is and this versus my favorite, But sanctify the Christ as Lord* in YOUR hearts,+ always ready to make a defense+ before everyone that demands of YOU a reason for the hope in YOU, but doing so together with a mild temper+ and deep respect. Now do you see that star next to Christ the Lord:*symbol, I’m going to hit that and this is what the footnote is going to be popping up The Christ as Lord,” אABC; TR, “the Lord God”; J7,8,11-14,16,17,24, “Jehovah God.” So sanctify Christ the Lord the Lord God sanctify the Christ the Lord as Jehovah God that’s exactly what that means. Give you another one 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and this is right off the JW website, because the Lord* himself will descend from heaven+ with a commanding call, with an archangel’s+ voice and with God’s trumpet,+ and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first now again I’m gonna look at the*symbol, I’m gonna press that little star here’s what pops up for the Lord The Lord,” אABVg; J7,8,13,14, “Jehovah.” Wait a minute Jehovah God is called Lord, we just a minute I thought the name of God was Jehovah why is he being called Lord? But that’s pagan isn’t it? Not according to your own jw.org website. So right from your own jw.org website Jesus is called Jehovah God, I showed proof of it, now here is your arguments you as a Jehovah’s Witness here’s your arguments to say oh well Jesus Christ was created no he wasn’t. Yeah the term firstborn means first created no sorry try again. The term first born in Colossians chapter 1 verse 15 means Prototokos in Greek which means preeminent that’s exactly what Colossians 115 is talking about, Paul mentions that Jesus Christ is our creator hold on, but you said that he was created and that he’s Michael the Archangel OK first off there’s no scriptural evidence to prove that he’s Michael the Archangel, and saying that well he has the voice of the archangel so that means he’s Michael The Archangel no wrong sorry, The Bible also says that God has a voice of rushing water, you’re gonna tell me that God‘s rushing water to no what that scripture means is is that God has the voice like an archangel meaning that his voice is so expounding and loud so all can hear it, Jesus his voice is so loud and expounding everyone will hear it, and that every knee will bow before him in heaven on earth and under the earth. That scripture says nothing about Jesus being Michael the Archangel not one zero. So I’ve backed up my claims by using your New World translation to refute your point, now I want you to try to use your New World translation to refute my .0 wait a minute you can’t do it because you can’t go against the watchtower right who think that they are more truthful than God is when they’re not because God did not issue them to be the faithful and discreet slave on earth because there’s no scripture that even verifies that number to him they are not the ones who bring truth and fullness of scripture we do not listen to ravaging wolves. We listen to Christ Jesus in him alone and what his teachings teach, so since Jesus Christ who is Jehovah God in the flesh as he said he was and as the New World translation in the jw.org website verifies that he is according to the footnotes that they have on their website, and this is all done. Christianity still wins every single time, even your own leaders from the jw.org website have verified that Jesus Christ is in fact Jehovah God why is that? Wait a minute you as a Jehovah’s Witness you’re gonna be really mad about that aren’t you? Did you know also in your New World translation that in revelation chapter 21 verse six and seven that Jehovah God is called first and last beginning and the end Alpha and the Omega, let’s first look at the term first and last, you and I are not gonna disagree that Jehovah God‘s first and last here are the scriptures that I’m explaining.
@@tongakhan230 You guys always ask the question
Why would a loving God send me to hell? Well you just answered your own question, because he is loving nothing that is loving is going to be in hell, let me reiterate when you want to continue to spit in Jesus‘s face and not believe anything that he just told you by me giving you the very versus that you guys said that he was a creative being when I gave you the very verses that say that he’s not, from your own perverse doctrine of Scripture to still make my point, you called Jesus a liar. Number two, you don’t believe anything that he said, you go and call the apostles liars, and say that the church became a part of paganism or apostasy and then you guys had to let her fix it when it never went in to paganism or went into any kind of apostasy whatsoever so what you said was completely stupid. And number three God is loving but he also wants you to come to know him through his son the Lord Jesus Christ, without Christ you are lost in your sin, Jesus said that he is the way the truth and the life in order to inherit eternal life with him by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ are you saved apart from works of the law or any kind of work that you do lest any man should boast, that’s exactly what you guys do you boast by going and knocking on peoples doors you boast. And then you go and lie to 8.6 million people, by saying that if you leave this organization or start reading from the Bible Jehovah God is going to kill you know as a matter fact Jehovah God is destroying our organization by the number and I’m seeing it every day. So why would God send a person like you to help because you’re a sinner needing of a savior and you continue, to reject what God has plainly given you that’s why. So don’t go and make a statement that oh well the Christians don’t know what Jehovah’s Witnesses believe because they think we believe Jesus is Michael the Archangel because you do. Here are your fallacious arguments that you try to give us a Jehovah’s Witness
First: Jesus was not the “first created” since Colossians 1:16 states he created all things. If he himself were created he couldn’t have created all things. (that is why the NWT inserts the word “other.”)
Second: In fact Scripture teaches that Jesus created all angels, and all worship him. (Hebrews 1:6) (JW believe Jesus is the archangel Michael.)
Third: In Scripture the word “firstborn” carries the meaning “supreme” or “preeminent,” not first created. The firstborn son usually had this special status. In Col. 1:15, “firstborn of all creation” means he is supreme over creation since all things were created by him (1:16). Jesus is supreme over creation because he is its author and creator. (see also John 1:3)
Fourth: “Firstborn” is also used in relation to Christ’s preeminence or supremacy over death since he was the first to conquer death by his resurrection from the dead. (Col. 1:18, Rev. 1:5)
Fifth: “Firstborn” doesn’t necessarily mean “first.” King David is referred to in Scripture (Psalm 89:27) as the “firstborn,” though he had 7 older brothers! David was not “first-created;” David was preeminent. In fact Scripture teaches David was “firstborn” over all the kings of the earth. (Psalm 89:27) Clearly he was preeminent over all kings, not the first-created king.
Sixth: Israel is the LORD’s “firstborn son” (Exodus 4:22). Israel was by no means the “first created” people of God. There are many nations that preceded Israel. Similarly in Jeremiah 31:9 the LORD says, “Ephraim is my firstborn son.” Ephraim was not the LORD’s “first created” son. He was one of Joseph’s sons and became the name of the northern kingdom.
Therefore it is abundantly clear that in Scripture firstborn does not mean first created.
“You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28)
First, in the gospel of John, Scripture clearly presents Jesus as God. (John 1:1,3,14, 8:58, 10:30, 14:11, 20:28)
Second, Christ voluntarily “humbled himself” (Philippians 2:8). Christ’s humility is misunderstood for difference in ontology (essence/nature). This is a common mistake in Jehovah Witness interpretation.
Third: It is possible (for example) for an earthly father and son to be of the same essence or nature (human) but have different roles or positions.
Implications for the Atonement
First, Jehovah Witnesses believe that while on earth Jesus was a perfect man. Before and after his earthly existence he was (and is) the archangel Michael.
No human could have taken the sins of the world in his body. Only God could bear the weight and terror of sin.
No human could have bore the wrath of God for all sin. Not only did Jesus bear our sin, but he also bore the punishment due sin, therefore appeasing the wrath of Almighty God.
No mere human could have been an adequate mediator between God and Man, unless he was both fully God and fully man. (1 Timothy 2:5)
In Cur Deus Homo, Why God became a man, St. Anselm (1033-1109) states in regards to the Atonement that, “For God will not do it, because he has no debt to pay; and man will not do it, because he cannot. Therefore, in order that the God-man may perform this, it is necessary that the same being should perfect God and perfect man, in order to make this atonement.” (Chapter VII) Thus only God could take away man’s sins and only man needed them to be taken away.
Just the other day I was speaking with a JW elder and said Jesus can’t be Michael, it’s a wrong teaching. He eventually said to me, what difference would it make? Whenever you get the in a corner, why do they say that?
Really! Surely, everyone on the Web is not a moron to fall for such stuff. Pathetic!
Wish you would’ve had the conversation with me instead because surely they are the same.
@@drevonblake6000 what does the Bible say? Who does it say is Michael?
@@MrPoohman1981 Michael and Jesus are one and the same and Jesus is not god but instead the son of God, made king by God
@@drevonblake6000 The Bible say Michael is Michael the Arch Angel and Christ is the Christ, son of God. Three totally different people. The is nothing written or ever said that would make you think they are the same
You are so wrong! Let me explain
The name micheal was given before and after Jesus, and the meaning of the name micheal means one who is like god, and you mentioned the cheif of the angels could be as many angels but the cheif is singular meaning there’s only one, and the name micheal only appears in 2 verses but One of those verses states that the resurrected Lord Jesus “will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice” Micheal has a angelic army and so does Jesus
Michel is a created angel and not the begotten son, what do you mean by begotten?
@@geralddissanayaka7168 : To BEGET.
verb make children
“Abraham begot Isaac”
synonyms:bring forth, engender, father, generate, get, mother, sire.
Jesus is God's only begotten son (John 3:16) is because he is the one God directly created into existence. Making Jesus the FIRSTBORN of ALL CREATION (Col 1:15).
God who has no beginning cannot be begotten.
Jesus is not Michel. Jesus is God. Please read the bible.
Isaiah 9-6: For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Who is this child? He is mighty God.
@@geralddissanayaka7168 u called Jesus right now a wonderful counselor of the heavenly government, which is exactly what Micheal the archangel is
@@geralddissanayaka7168 : Michael was a god. Now he is a mighty god.
(Philippians 2:9) For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name,
Great video, thank you A lot, sadly it has so few views
Because it's nonsense
Hello, i would like to Know what you think about those verses please : Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. (Ps: 45:7) It says that Jesus had fellows… and also some people think that « the angel of thé Lord » in the OT is Jesus… thank you
Psalm 45 seems to be a wedding song for an ideal king. It doesn’t refer to one Israelite King as it gives many attributes that not of them fully possess. Hebrews is saying Christ is this ideal King.
I do believe the OT “The Angel of the LORD” is YHWH, and the pre-incarnate Christ. Angel or Malak in Hebrew just means messenger. There are human messengers, called angels. Lots of verses that confirm The Angel of Lord is God, like Gen 16 or Ex 3
Thanks for your answer. I would like to Know your toughts on Marc 10: 18 please. Thank you very much.
@@joJo56976 Jesus is answering his arrogance. Basically saying “do you realize who you are talking to.” Jesus is not saying is isn’t good, as Jesus is fully good. He also didn’t say “Only the Father is good.” Jesus is the image of God, and the imprint of his Character, attributes and prerogatives, he is the very definition of good.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Oh I see! Thank you! I appreciate sooo much your work. It helps me a lot to deconstruct the lies. I feel so much Closer to my God and savior! And I love the way you teach (no… NOO! 😄)
Hi, I am having a good discussion with my husband and he finds hard to understand matthiew 24: 36 if Jesus is God, why he doesn’t Know everything like the Father? Thanks for your Time!
Elvis appeared on stage with a cheer, with the voice of the show's compere and with the music of the band. Does this make Elvis the show's compere? Of course not. The word 'with' simply means 'accompanied by' :)
Agreed!
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Thanks, I wasn't sure how it would appear using Elvis for this illustration :) I find that sometimes it's easier to see what scripture is saying when an everyday setting is substituted so that hopefully any confirmation bias is eliminated.
If, as in my illustration, JW's were to agree that Elvis is not the show's compere then also they have no choice but to agree that Jesus is not the archangel in 1 Thessalonians 4: 16.
@@spellbound111 : Why would Jesus mimic an Archangels voice? Wouldn't he use his own?
Analogies are generally used to circumvent straightforward Bible truths.
Just an observation.
@@tongakhan230 My analogy is used to illustrate a straightrorward Bible truth and not to circumvent it. The straightforward Bible truth is that Jesus is not the archangel Michael.
My analogy in this matter exposes the falsehood of Watchtower's claim that the voice of the archangel is the voice of Jesus.
@@spellbound111 :Just ask the question. Why would Paul even mention what he did at 1 Thess 4:16 if he didn't want to identify who Jesus is?
If we read Daniel 12:1 we are told that Michael will stand up and deliver God's people at the end. Jesus says it is he who will do it (Matthew 24:30).
Revelation 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled
2 Thessalonians 1:7 But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels
God appointing two leaders of the angels to carry out his singular purpose doesn't sound logical.
Jesus and Michael are one and the same.
See! I didn't use any analogies. Just straightforward scriptures.
What a Mighty God we serve
What a Mighty God we seeve
Angels BOW before Him
Heaven and earth adore Him
What a Mighty God we serve
I am not sure about the WE. JWs worship Almighty God Jehovah. They follow the man Jesus. This Jesus is now a mighty god in heaven (Isaiah 9:6)
@@jimjuri6490 So you're a polytheist?
@@evanwindom : What does polytheist mean?
POLYTHEISM
polytheism, the belief in many gods.
Of course God's people have believed in many gods. However, no worship is given these gods. Because God himself warned:
(Exodus 20:3) You must not have any other gods besides me.
To NOT have any other gods, these gods should exist, logically.
@@evanwindom :(Exodus 20:3) You must not have any other gods besides me.
If there are no other gods, wouldn't this command be nonsense?
@@jimjuri6490 There you go, applying ill-considered "logic". You stopped one verse too early. That happens when you neglect context. Read the next verse. History is full of people creating their own gods, making graven images, etc. God is warning against worship of these other "gods".
Even a Christian cannot brush aside the worship of Jehovah as God. In Revelation 1:5 the Son of God called himself "Jesus Christ, The Faithful Witness.'" When on earth as a man he was a Jew, an Israelite, to whose nation the words of Isaiah 43:10 were written: "'You are my witnesses, 'is the utterance of Jehovah, 'even my servant whom I have chosen'." Jesus demonstrated that he was a faithful and true witness of Jehovah God. His genuine disciples today must be the same kind of witnesses, Jehovah's.
In 1 thess 4:16 is the voice of the archangel powerful enough to raise the dead?
Archangel cannot raise people from the dead, it is almighty God.
Remember that Jesus has been GIVEN all authority BY GOD. Matthew 29:20.
John 5:28 Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear HIS VOICE 29 and come out,
This is Jesus' voice. The dead do not literally hear anything. This tells us that Jesus commands the dead in God's memory to come back to life.
The Government has authorized a Judge to pass judgments. Without that authority, the Judge is jobless. Get it.
@@geralddissanayaka7168 Archangel is simply one of Jesus' many heavenly Titles and roles. Keeping in mind that there is only ONE such Being, 1Thess 4:16 says that when “the Lord descends with his commanding call, with an archangel’s VOICE, then those who are dead in union with him will rise…” The Lord is calling individuals from the grave. At John 5:21,25 Jesus himself tells us that the dead will: “hear the “VOICE” of THE SON OF GOD: and they that hear shall live.” (KJ) God has assigned Jesus to raise the dead not some other heavenly Being. (Jo 11:25) [I use all caps for emphasis only. 😊]
@@tobeornottobe50 John 1-1: In the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with God and the WORD was GOD. The WORD got manifested and lived among us.
@@tobeornottobe50 The WORD became flesh and dwelleth amongst us. Arch angel did not come in the flesh to this world. Angels have no part in the salvation process. Hebrews 1-5. God never called any angel son.
Jesus is not Michael the archangel. The Bible nowhere identifies Jesus as Michael (or any other angel, for that matter). Hebrews 1:5-8 draws a clear distinction between Jesus and the angels: “For to which of the angels did God ever say, ‘You are my Son; today I have become your Father’? Or again, ‘I will be His Father, and He will be my Son’? And again, when God brings His firstborn into the world, He says, ‘Let all God’s angels worship Him.’ In speaking of the angels He says, ‘He makes his angels winds, his servants flames of fire.’ But about the Son He says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The hierarchy of heavenly beings is made clear in this passage-angels worship Jesus who, as God, is alone worthy of worship. No angel is ever worshiped in Scripture; therefore, Jesus (worthy of worship) cannot be Michael or any other angel (not worthy of worship). The angels are called sons of God (Genesis 6:2-4; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7), but Jesus is THE Son of God (Hebrews 1:8; Matthew 4:3-6).
Michael the archangel is perhaps the highest of all the angels. Michael is the only angel in the Bible who is designated “the archangel” (Jude verse 9). Michael the archangel, though, is only an angel. He is not God. The clear distinction in the power and authority of Michael and Jesus can be seen in comparing Matthew 4:10 where Jesus rebukes Satan, and Jude verse 9, where Michael the archangel “dared not bring a judgment of blasphemy” against Satan and calls on the Lord to rebuke him. Jesus is God incarnate (John 1:1, 14). Michael the archangel is a powerful angel, but still only an angel.
Just think. Why would Paul draw a comparison between Jesus and the angels, if Jesus himself was not an angel?
Hebrews 2:9 But we do see Jesus, who was made a little lower than angels,
Jesus can be made lower than angels only if he was an angel himself.
Surely Paul wasn't comparing God to his angels.
Please permit me to share our reasoning on this issue. Not expecting you to believe it, just sharing.
Michael is called “THE” Archangel. The term occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural. This suggest that there is only “one” such angel.
The prefix 'Arch', means Chief or Principle. Keeping in mind that angels are spirit beings, the Hebrew word for angel (mal-'akh') and the Greek word for angel (ag'ge·los), simply means “messenger.” It describes what they DO. Similarly, our English word “angel” is a title that describes the role these spirit beings play-they’re God’s “messengers.” That is the way THE ARCHangel serves God, as his Chief Messenger; chief over all other “messengers/angels” in the heavens. Indicating this, Rev. 12:7 says, ". . . war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and “HIS” angels battled with the dragon and its angels . . ."
Now, this is the point. Aside from Jesus’ Father, only one other Divine Being is spoken of as having angels under subjection-namely, Jesus. 1 Pet.3:22 states, "He (Jesus) is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and “angels” and authorities and powers were made subject to “HIM," not some other heavenly spirit being. (Note: Wicked angels came under the “Rulership” of Satan, not Michael-Matt 12:24; Lu 11:15; compare 2Cor 4:3,4)
So, in referring to Jesus as “Michael the Archangel,” what we are in fact saying is that before he came to earth and upon his return to heaven, Jesus has, as one of his many heavenly name-titles-Michael the (Chief) Arch (Messenger) angel of God. [Two comparison scriptures you may find interesting: Ex 14:19,20a and 1Cor 10:1-4]
Both names-Michael (meaning "Who Is Like God?") and Jesus (meaning "Jehovah Is Salvation") focus attention on his role as the Leading Advocate (The Word) of God. (“The Word” being another one of his titles; he speaks for God, hence he’s a Messenger)
Though many people feel it's demeaning to refer to Jesus as Michael the (Chief Messenger) of God, it must be acknowledged that Jesus left his position in heaven to become a 'human'. . . a status exceedingly lower than angels, and at no time did he consider it demeaning or beneath him. -Php.2:6,7; Heb.2:7,9 It was, in fact, yet another role he fulfilled in his Father’s eternal purpose. (The Messiah)
@@jimjuri6490 , First and foremost, keep in mind that when you read God’s word context is everything.
In spite of the superiority of angels to Mankind (People), God had originally placed the administration of the earth into the hands of mankind (Genesis 1:26-28). Due to the fall (Genesis 3), however, mankind has been incapable of fulfilling that divinely ordained position.
In Hebrews 2:9 it speaks of Jesus Christ’s glory and honor. Because Jesus became “OBEDIENT UNTO THE POINT OF DEATH . . . God has highly exalted him” (Philippians 2:8-9). By his redemptive work on the cross Christ has fulfilled all that is required as the supreme representative of mankind. By his incarnation, substitutionary sacrifice, and victory over sin and death (cf. Romans 6:23; 1 John 4:10), he has fulfilled man’s original purpose. As the Second Adam (1 Corinthians 15:47), he was for a short time LOWER THAN (WHEN HE WALKED ON EARTH AS A MAN) than the angels. Now he has glory and honor, and all things (INCLUDING ANGELS) ARE SUBJECT TO JESUS CHRIST. The taste of death for everyone. Everyone who believes, that is. The death of Christ can only be applied in its efficacy to those who come to God repentantly in faith, asking for saving grace and forgiveness of sins. (Read 2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Timothy 2:6; 4:10; Titus 2:11).
@@GODSPEAKS898: I'm not sure what one was trying to point out. It seemed that is was in agreement with what I said.
Jesus before and after his stay on earth was/is an angel son of God.
God SENT his Son from heaven to become the human we know as Jesus, the Christ (Galatians 4:4).
There are only Angels with God to be sent.
Angels are termed SONS of God (Job 1:6).
Jesus himself admitted that he is God's son. (John 10:36).
God acknowledged Jesus as his son, the one he had approved for this mission (Matthew 3:17).
Jesus tells us that God loved humans so much that he just didn't send any angel to pay off Adam's sin's penalty. God gave His only Begotten Son (John 3:16). The one having the position of Archangel.
The Firstborn of all God's creation (Colossians 1:15). The one closest and dearest to God (John 1:18).
Enacted in the drama of Abraham offering his only Begotten son Isaac.
@@jimjuri6490 Sweetheart, context is everything when reading God’s word, so it’s very important to read it in its proper context.
If Jesus ascending with “an archangel’s voice” means that he is an archangel then-to be consistent-doesn’t that mean that having “God’s trumpet” makes Jesus God? JW's will say ‘no, Jesus isn’t God’ and in so doing they betray their hypocrisy.
Paul is alluding to Psalm 47 where Jehovah God (Jesus) ascends to Jerusalem to sit on his throne as King of kings and Lord of lords (Rev 19:16). The scene is that of an emperor coming to a city. He is preceded by the cry of a high ranking official and the blast of a trumpet.
As Jehovah Jesus ascends to earth he is preceded by the shout of an archangel (possibly Michael) and the blast of a trumpet (cf. 1Co 15:52). The shout of the archangel is a command for people to respond. I know JW's don’t know Greek (or they wouldn’t be JW’s), but bare with me. The command (κελεύσματι) is in apposition to ἐν φωνῇ ἀρχαγγέλου καὶ ἐν σάλπιγγι Θεοῦ (the voice of an archangel and God’s trumpet). In other words, this command is expressed in the shout of an archangel and the blowing of a trumpet. The loyal subjects of the King (Jehovah Jesus) come out of the city to receive their King (“meet the Lord in the air”) and they respond to the initiation of the high official (archangel) with their own shouts as they receive their King (cf. Psalm 47). Nowhere in this verse is Jesus identified as an archarchangel, let alone the archangel Michael (ps. there is more than one archangel-Dan 12:13-as this video points out).
Jesus said in Mat 24:30-31, “they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity” (NWT). Jesus is accompanied by saints and angels.
Furthermore, Michael does not have the authority to rebuke Satan (Jude 9) but Jesus did (Mat 4:10, Matt. 17:18; Mark 9:25), which means that Jesus is not Michael. Michael simply said, “May Jehovah (κυριος) rebuke you” (NWT). Who is “Jehovah” (κυριος) in the Jude? Jesus! He's identified several times in the 25 verses as Κυριος ("Jehovah") and is distinguished from Michael. Any honest person who takes the time to read Jude (again, only 25 verses so read it) can clearly see that Jesus and Michael are distinguished from one another.
* Voice of the archangel - cf. the throne scene in Rev 5 where a mighty angel proclaims with “a loud voice, ‘Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?’” The mighty angel addresses the universe on behalf of the King who sits on the throne.
** JW's will object to me translating Κυριος as Jehovah, but Jesus is clearly identified as Jehovah in the NT.
@@dirkfirkle73 Thanks for your comment. I'm Canadian but I've watched enough political dramas that I don't understand how every American doesn't immediately, upon reading 1Thess 4:16, get the mental picture of the Sergeant at Arms walking into the House of Representatives and loudly proclaiming, "MR. SPEAKER, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES."
The Sergeant at Arms is like the archangel who announces the coming of the President, but the archangel announces the coming of someone monumentally greater than the President of the United States-the King of kings, and Lord of lords.
Metaphors used to emphasize sight and sound - period. The event will be unmistakably visible and loud.
@@kevinfromcanada4379
Your understanding of 1 Thessalonians 4:16 just doesn't fit the profile of other eschatological return passages. In the gospels and old Testament only the leader of the group is individualized. Since the Archangel is individualized it makes sense that he is the Lord himself
@@eew8060 Mat 16:27 "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father *with his angels;* and then he shall reward every man according to his works." (ESV)
Jesus is describing his return and says that he will come *with* HIS angels. He doesn't return alone, he is accompanied by angels... and the angels belong to him.
Jude makes it clear that Jesus is not Michael. Read the 25 verses, who is Kyrios according to Jude? Whom does Michael implore to rebuke Satan? Be honest and tell me.
@@kevinfromcanada4379
1) Matt 16:27
Yes you see who is individualized here? "The Son of man" whereas "angels" groups the individualized leaders entourage together. So a singular party and a plural party. Only the leader is individualized and highlighted in singular.
Now you mentioned that he also comes with "angels", right? What do you think the "trumpet of God" is in 1 Thessalonians 4:16? An actual divine musical instrument? God plays in a band? And now the Son picks it up to lead the jazz quartet? 🤣🤣
2) Jude
Michael in Jude is presented as the Name Angel. It's the Name Angel that Jude starts out talking about in Jude 5. His reference to the "Lord" that both saved out of Egypt then destroyed those that rebelled is a reference to this Name Angel of Exodus 23:21:
"Beware of Him and obey His voice; do not provoke Him, for He will not pardon your transgressions; for My name is in Him"
Then Michael utters the formula of Zechariah 3:2 to rebuke Satan showing he is the Angel of the Name (who is the Angel of the Lord, the Logos, Wisdom, etc..)
On youtube, there is a channel NWT Defended that shows why Jesus and Michael are the same person. I have The Protestant Dictionary(updated) of 1933. The first edition was 1906, and it also says the same. It is, of course, complied by non-JWs.
If we read John 1-1/4 we know who Jesus is without many arguments.
I agree. But nothing there is contrary to the view, held by non-JWs also, that Jesus and Michael are one and the same.
@@brucebarnard Michel was not in the bosom of the Father.
@@geralddissanayaka7168If the Logos and Michael are not one and the same, perhaps true.
If the Logos and Michael are one and the same, Michael was.
In effect, you have made no argument.
Have you found the YT channel I mentioned?
@@edwardbarnard5830 The logos of John 1-1/4 confirms Titus 2-12. There is no Michel involved.
Who is the Angel of God in the old testament?
Any Angel God sent to speak his words, logically.
Regarding Moses.
Exodus 3:2 Then Jehovah’s ANGEL appeared to him in a flame of fire in the midst of a thornbush.
Stephen referring to Moses said:
Acts 7:38 This is the one who came to be among the congregation in the wilderness with the ANGEL who spoke to him on Mount Siʹnai and with our forefathers, and he received living sacred pronouncements to give us.
@@jimjuri6490 Actually, my Hebrew-Greek Key Study Bible by Spiros Zodhiates, Th.D. says this concerning the following scriptures:
Ex 23:20,21 “I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you on the way and to bring you into the place that I have prepared. 21 Pay attention to him, and obey his voice. Do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgressions, “because my name is in him.” (ie. God’s presence and authority are manifested in him)
Ex 23:23
“For my angel will go ahead of you and will bring you to the Amʹor·ites, the Hitʹtites, Perʹiz·zites, Caʹnaan·ites, Hiʹvites, and the Jebʹu·sites, and I will annihilate them...”
Footnote : There is strong evidence that the Son of God is the Angel of Jehovah.
Actually, my Hebrew-Greek Key Study Bible by Spiros Zodhiates, Th.D. says this concerning the following scriptures in the OT:
Ex 23:20,21 “I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you on the way and to bring you into the place that I have prepared. 21 Pay attention to him, and obey his voice. Do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgressions, “because my name is in him.” (ie. God’s presence and authority are manifested in him)
Ex 23:23
“For my angel will go ahead of you and will bring you to the Amʹor·ites, the Hitʹtites, Perʹiz·zites, Caʹnaan·ites, Hiʹvites, and the Jebʹu·sites, and I will annihilate them...”
*Footnote: There is strong evidence that the Son of God is the Angel of Jehovah.
I never believed the teaching that Jesus is Michael the Archangel. As an Anglican/Episcopalian now, I’m glad of the teachings I have.
Might be good to Read Daniel 12:1 and Matthew 24:30. Both refer to the same event. In Daniel this son of God is called Michael. Mathew is a promise made by Jesus.
@@tongakhan230 Matthew 24:30 does not refer to Michael the Archangel. It refers to Christ Jesus.
@@London_miss234 : That is correct! I was referring to two prophecies referring to one and the same incident.
Daniel calls this son of God with his heavenly name Michael.
Jesus says that it is he.
Remember that God SENT his son from heaven to become the Messiah (Galatians 4:4).
God can only SEND an angel from heaven as there are ONLY angels in heaven WITH God (Job 1:6).
Using Jesus' words and Daniel prophecy we get to know whom God SENT to become the human Jesus.
@@tongakhan230 You don’t believe in the Trinity, then.
@@tongakhan230 1. Is Michael THE chief prince (archangel) or one of the chief princes?
2. In Dan 12:1, Michael arises... Does he come with a host of angels according to Daniel 12?
3. In Mat 24:30-31, Jesus comes with angels. Is it possible that Michael is one of the? (I'm not asking if you think he is, I'm asking if it is possible).
4. Is the Son of Man in Daniel ever identified as Michael?
5. Is Jesus ever identified as Michael?
6. In Jude, Michael appeals to Kurios to rebuke Satan... Who is the only person identified as Kurios in Jude?
JW's didn't invent this teaching. The 1500's Geneva Bible notes identifies Michael as being the pre-incarnate Jesus in Daniel, Jude and Revelation. Matthew Henery in his full commentary of Daniel also identified Michael as being Jesus. Of course, that doesn't prove that Jesus is Michael, but it does show that it was a common early teaching,
Yeah, there have been little bits of it throughout history, after all nothing new is under the sun. However it seem the founder probably got this from Ellen G White, who help start the 7 day Adventist movement. Russel , the JW founder, was hanging around these people for decades, and much of todays and early JW is heavily influenced by Adventist doctrines.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : This comment is similar to saying that the Protestants got this idea of Jesus being God from the RCC.
If the RCC was teaching the truth and was the ONE TRUE CHURCH, why did the Protestants break away and make themselves the apostates of the RCC?
Paul clearly identifies Jesus as Michael the Archangel at 1 Thessalonians 4:16.
Guess JWs got this teaching from Paul.
Was Paul an apostate from true Christianity?
@@tongakhan230 you really should research why there was a protest against the RCC
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : By one's very statement it goes to show that the RCC was the foretold apostate church.
Apostasy means a falling away from truth.
How does borrowing apostate teachings such as the Trinity suddenly make it a truth?
@@tongakhan230 at 1 Thessalonians 4 : 16 Paul does not clearly identify Jesus as Michael the archangel .
That is not what Paul was teaching and the jws didn't get that teaching from Paul.
The jws got it from the governing body apostates . They are not bringing the teachings of Christ.
Compare Dan 12:1-2, John 5:28-29 and 1 The 4:16. These scriptures all have something in common which is Jesus, Michael and the resurrection. The Question is: who is doing the resurrecting. In Dan 12:1-2, Michael is responsible for the resurrection. In the John and Thessalonians, Jesus is doing the ressurecting. With that in mind, there two options. Either, Jesus and Michael are both ressurecting. Or, They are one and the same. Also note, at Thessalonians 4:16 it seems to combine Dan 12:1-2 and John 5:28-29 by saying Jesus has the voice of an archangel.
Read Daniel 8 and 9 then compare it to Daniel 10. There is a clear distinction. Jesus was talking to Daniel in chapter 10. Gabriel was clearly defined in chapters 8 and 9. As well as other appearances like that in Luke chapter 1. The man that Daniel had eyes like fire which is directly the way John described Jesus in Revelations 1:14. In 1 Thess. it says he has a voice “like” and arcangel not that that he was one. Please read it. It was a metaphor not an exact. If we look at the scripture and look at Daniel 10-12 he was having a conversation with the same man who said he would Michael before him. And where else do we notice this. John the Baptist who was sent before the Christ. Jesus is God in the flesh and is not Michael. He sends warriors before him. Please read the word and pay attention to the fine details. And I am in no way looking to condemn you. And forgive me if I have. 🙏🏾🙏🏾
@@garyrawls7975 Please explain in your opinion why Michael the archangel is referred to in connection with the resurrection found at Dan12:1-2.
@garyrawls7975 Also, does God have a voice "like" an archangel? Or does he have the voice of God?
@@garyrawls7975 Gal 4:14 also compares Jesus to an angel as well.
Jesus is the same person as Michael the Archangel
Jesus = Michael
You are RIGHT ... That's in the Bible
Many People are misled with simple truth as told in the Bible
Guys i herd a JW say well its true that in Jude 9 it says that he didnt rebuke him, but thats because of zachariah 3: 1-3 help me understand plz
Those are unconnected. Jude is talking about the body of Moses, Zechariah isn't talking about that, but Joshua as a high priest. The LORD here has no issue rebuking the Devil, since he created the Devil. Jesus being the eternal son who created everything, has power over the devil, even from the JW doctrine. They lower Christ and make the devil stronger, which is disgusting. This verse actually defeats JW's as it shows The Malak of YHWH, who is identified as YHWH.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry same i😊incident different person
The incident at Jude 9 was BEFORE Jesus was given all authority.
Jesus was GIVEN all authority by God after his resurrection (Matthew 28:18).
Which logically means that Jesus didn't possess such authority earlier.
Hence, he left the decisions to Jehovah, his God.
@@tongakhan230 Did Jesus create Satan? Why would the creator have less power and authority than the creation? Also if he is Michael before, the chief angel, why would the chief angel who’s above all angels including Satan, not have authority over him?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry :Jesus did not create anything. He was a master worker helping God in the Creation (Proverbs 8:30),
Jesus' own words tells us that God gave Jesus ALL AUTHORITY after Jesus' resurrection (Matthew 28:18).
Even though Michael was the Archangel, he showed humility is leaving certain decisions in Jehovah's hands.
However, after God promoted Jesus to a New and Superior position (Philippians 2:9), making him a 'mighty god' (Isaiah 9:6), Jesus will soon:
Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven with the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2 He seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for 1,000 years.
No ordinary angel will be able to carry out this action.
What Michael aka Jesus was able to do in the past and what he now can do are separate things.
If this is hard to grasp, an example may help.
The Managing Director GIVES complete authority to the General Manager to make all the needed changes in the Production line.
The GM couldn't do whatever he wanted earlier. However, with the authority GIVEN him, he can make changes.
Teaching that Jesus is an angel is heresy!
That doesn't make sense. Sorry!
God SENT his son who became the human Jesus.
Sons of God are ANGELS who are WITH God in heaven (Job 1:6).
Who else can God SEND from heaven?
(Galatians 4:4) But when the full limit of the time arrived, God SENT HIS SON, who was born of a woman and who was under law,
No one can SEND himself, unless the meaning of SEND has taken an illogical twist in meaning.
@@tongakhan230 how the father never called any of his angels his son Jesus is god in the flesh he’s not an angel stop following men repent and turn to Jesus for salvation the watchtower teachers heresy bunch of hypocrites!
@@thedellottocollector7478 : Here is God's testimony as to whom he SENT.
(Matthew 3:17) Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “THIS IS MY SON, the beloved, whom I have APPROVED.”
If God had said "This is ME..." that would have been different.
Stay with what the Bible DOES TEACH. Safer!
Read these scriptures about God calling his angels HIS SONS.
Hebrews 1:5,13. and verse 9
@@tongakhan230 I am the Bible says that god was manifested in the flesh that’s Jesus is called the god man not a God or any of that his father calls him God in the New Testament you will die in your sins if you continue to follow men
@@thedellottocollector7478 : The Bible doesn't say anything of the kind. That is a corruption of the Greek text by the KJV.
Here is a simple easy to understand scientific truth.
No man has SEEN God AT ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12,20. Jesus was SEEN.
AT ANY TIME takes in any and all possibilities.
Put faith in what the Bible teaches. Human tradition will not help.
Please fellow christians....I come with the love of Christ .... Michael the archangel is Jesus Christ Himself.
All eyes to the book of Daniel 8:16, Luke 1:19, and Daniel 10:21
The words of the angel, “I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God,” show that he holds a position of high honor in the heavenly courts. When he came with a message to Daniel, he said, “There is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael [Christ] your Prince.” Daniel 10:21. Of Gabriel the Saviour speaks in the Revelation, saying that “He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John.” Revelation 1:1....Wonderful thought-that the angel who stands next in honor to the Son of God is the one chosen to open the purposes of God to sinful men.
Sorry but Jesus isn't an angel, let alone Michael.
Who is the only person identified as Kurios (κυριος) in Jude?
Before Jesus was born on earth, he was in heaven right? What is his name in heaven ?
Yahweh
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Please permit me to share our reasoning on this topic. By allowing the Bible to interpret itself by consulting the many scriptures that have to do with Jesus' role in the heavens, this is why we believe 'Michael the Archangel' is another one of his heavenly Titles.
Michael is called “THE” Archangel (the term occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural). This suggest that there is only One such angel. The Greek prefix 'Arch', means Chief or Principle.
Keeping in mind that angels are Spirit Beings, the Hebrew word for angel (mal-'akh') and the Greek word for angel (ag'ge·los), simply means “MESSENGER.” It describes what they DO. Similarly, our English word “angel” is a Title that describes the role these spirit beings play-they’re God’s “Messengers.” That is the way THE ARCHangel serves God, as his Chief Messenger; chief over all other “messengers” (angels) in the heavens. Indicating this, Rev. 12:7 says, ". . . war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and “HIS angels" battled with the dragon and its angels . . ."
Now, this is the point. Aside from Jesus’ Father, only one other heavenly Being is spoken of as having angels under subjection as Revelation stated above-namely, Jesus. 1Pet 3:22 states, "He (Jesus) is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and “angels” and authorities and powers were made subject to HIM," not some other angelic heavenly being. (Note: Wicked angels came under the “Rulership” of Satan-Matthew 12:24; Luke 11:15; compare 2Cor 4:3,4)
So, in referring to Jesus as “Michael the Archangel,” what we are in fact saying is that before he came to earth and upon his return to heaven, Jesus has, as one of his MANY heavenly name/titles-Michael, the Chief Messenger (Archangel) of God. This heavenly names focuses attention on his role as the leading “Advocate” (The Word) of God. (“The Word” being another one of his heavenly titles; he speaks for God) [Two comparison scriptures you may find interesting: Ex 14:19,20a and 1Cor 10:1-4]
Too, 1Thess 4:16 says that when “the Lord descends with his commanding call, with an archangel’s voice, then those who are dead in union with him will rise…” He is calling individuals from the grave. Interestingly, at John 5:21,25 Jesus himself tells us that the dead will: “hear the “VOICE” of THE SON OF GOD: and they that hear shall live.” (KJ) God has assigned Jesus to raise the dead not some other heavenly Being. (Jo 11:25)
Finally, though many may feel it's demeaning to refer to Jesus as the Chief Messenger Michael, it must be acknowledged that he left his position in heaven, bore the name Jesus and became a 'human'. . . a status decidedly lower than angels, and at no time did HE consider it demeaning or beneath him. -Php.2:6,7; Heb.2:7,9. (Messiah being yet another one of his titles/role)
Please permit me to share our understanding of this topic. Allowing the Bible to interpret itself by consulting several scriptures that have to do with Jesus' role in the heavens, this is why we believe 'Michael the Archangel' is another one of his Heavenly Titles.
Michael is called “THE” Archangel (the term occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural). This suggest that there is only One such angel. The Greek prefix 'Arch', means Chief or Principle.
Keeping in mind that angels ARE spirit beings, the Hebrew word for angel (mal-'akh') and the Greek word for angel (ag'ge·los), simply means “MESSENGER.” It describes what they DO. Similarly, our English word “angel” is a Title that describes the role these spirit beings play-they’re God’s “Messengers.” That is the way THE ARCHangel serves God, as his Chief Messenger; chief over all other “messengers” (angels) in the heavens. Indicating this, Rev. 12:7 says, ". . . war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and “HIS angels" battled with the dragon and its angels . . ."
Now, this is the point. Aside from Jesus’ Father, only one other heavenly Being is spoken of as having angels under subjection as Revelation stated above-namely, Jesus. 1Pet 3:22 states, "He (Jesus) is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and “angels” and authorities and powers were made subject to HIM," not some other angelic heavenly being. (Note: Wicked angels came under the “Rulership” of Satan-Matthew 12:24; Luke 11:15; compare 2Cor 4:3,4)
So, in referring to Jesus as “Michael the Archangel,” what we are in fact saying is that before he came to earth and upon his return to heaven, Jesus has, as one of his MANY heavenly name/titles-Michael, the Chief Messenger (Archangel) of God. Has Jesus been a messenger for his Father? Indeed, and on many occasions. This heavenly name focuses attention on his role as the leading “Advocate” (The Word) of God. (“The Word” being another one of his heavenly titles; he speaks for God) [Two comparison scriptures you may find interesting: Ex 14:19,20a and 1Cor 10:1-4]
One important way 1Thess 4:16 links Jesus with the office of the archangel is by stating that when “the Lord descends with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice, then those who are dead [in union with him] will rise…” He is calling individuals from the grave. Interestingly, at John 5:21,25 Jesus himself tells us that the dead will: “hear the 'VOICE' OF THE SON OF GOD: and they that hear shall live.” (KJ) God has assigned Jesus to raise the dead, not some other heavenly spirit Being. (Jo 11:25)
Finally, though many may feel it's demeaning to refer to Jesus as the Chief Messenger Michael, it must be acknowledged that he left his position in heaven, bore the name Jesus and became a 'human'. . . a status decidedly lower than angels, and at no time did He consider it demeaning or beneath him. -Php.2:6,7; Heb.2:7,9. (Messiah being yet another one of his roles/titles)
I’m a staunch catholic who knows the role of Michael thee Arch Angel as a captain or commander in thee army of the Lord ( Angels I mean) I however was so puzzled when the JWs who come to me every Wednesdays for Bible study told that Arch Angel Michael is Jesus. Should I stop them from coming . It seems they even want to convert me something I’m not ready to do. They attack my faith by pointing out that we worship images, they claim the trinity doesn’t exist. All these are so confusing to me they claim we are not supposed to receive holy communion every time we attend mass , holy communion should be a one time occasion according to them in a year and should only be received by the elders of the church. I want to politely terminate my study with them but I don’t know how. Please help me.😢
My dear friend. Simply tells the Witnesses the truth about what you’re feeling and why. One thing is for sure. If you’re feeling puzzled and confused after your Bible lessons-that’s not a good thing. So discuss it with them and see how you all feel about things afterwards. And do be honest with them. They will understand. In the meantime, please permit me to share our reasoning on the issue of Michael the Archangel with you.
Michael is called “The” Archangel. The term occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural. This suggest that there is only “one” such angel.
The prefix 'Arch', means Chief or Principle. Keeping in mind that angels are spirit beings, the Hebrew word for angel (mal-'akh') and the Greek word for angel (ag'ge·los), simply means “messenger.” It describes what they DO. Similarly, our English word “angel” is a title that describes the role these spirit beings play-they’re God’s “messengers.” That is the way THE ARCHangel serves God, as his Chief Messenger; chief over all other “messengers/angels” in the heavens. Indicating this, Rev. 12:7 says, ". . . war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and “HIS” angels battled with the dragon and its angels . . ."
Now, this is the point. Aside from Jesus’ Father, only one other Divine Being is spoken of as having angels under subjection-namely, Jesus. 1 Pet.3:22 states, "He (Jesus) is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and “angels” and authorities and powers were made subject to “HIM," not some other heavenly spirit being. (Note: Wicked angels came under the “Rulership” of Satan, not Michael-Matt 12:24; Lu 11:15; compare 2Cor 4:3,4)
So, in referring to Jesus as “Michael the Archangel,” what we are in fact saying is that before he came to earth and upon his return to heaven, Jesus has, as one of his many heavenly name-titles-Michael the (Chief) Arch (Messenger) angel of God.
Both names-Michael (meaning "Who Is Like God?") and Jesus (meaning "Jehovah Is Salvation") focus attention on his role as the Leading Advocate (The Word) of God. (“The Word” being another one of his titles; he speaks for God, hence he’s a Messenger)
Though many people feel it's demeaning to refer to Jesus as Michael (Chief Messenger) of God, it must be acknowledged that Jesus left his position in heaven to become a 'human'. . . a status exceedingly lower than angels, and at no time did he consider it demeaning or beneath him. -Php.2:6,7; Heb.2:7,9
It was, in fact, yet another role he fulfilled in his Father’s eternal purpose. (The Messiah)
Scripture reads as often as you do this … meaning Holy Communion remembrance of my death and resurrection/ …..JW ‘s insults cheapens Calvary’s Cross of Christ /how they believed Jesus was murder and hung on a stake a single pole /Scripture reads Jesus gave His life freely /He laid down His life for the remission of sins/He is the Sinless Spotless Supreme Sacrifice and gave up The Ghost on the Cross… ❤ Be firm and kind Tell them bye bye no love lost…
It’s really not safe to allow strangers claiming bible studies to come into your home/ it can lead to a home invasion/ it’s been reported crimes have been committed by false pretenses…
@@maryhelencampos9964 Yes, this is true. We live in a very dangerous world. That’s why we suggest meeting at Starbucks, the library or some other public place for Bible study with those who are hesitant about meeting at their home.
In the Heavenly Kingdom King Jesus is not an Angel He is a King /The soon coming King ….will return as King not an Angel … just dialoguing
Jesus and Michael are personal names for The Only-Begotten Son of God.
Just to provide one simple evidence: In 1 Thessalonians 4:16 Jesus is described as descending with a commanding call, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. With what purpose ?
To *resurrect* anointed Christians during his parousia or presence. (1 Thessalonians 4:14)
And in John 5:28-29 we learn that the voice that dead ones will hear is that of Jesus Christ.
So who is the one carrying the voice of an archangel ? *Jesus* .
And since The Bible refers to Michael *alone* as “The Archangel”, thus it is concluded that *Jesus and Michael are personal names for the Son of God* .
Except in Daniel 10:13, where Michael is called “one of the chief princes” Jesus, even pre-incarnate is not one of anything, he is unique, monogenes, unlike anything else in creation. No one reading the Bible apart from any outside influence would ever come to the conclusion that Michael and Jesus as the same. Or that Michael became Jesus and then Jesus was recreated as Michael. Pure nonsense, created by false teachers and false prophets in the 1800’s. Go research the origin of that belief, the adventists, and see how closely C.T. Russels relationship with them, and how he grabbed all the 2520 gentile time garbage and more from them. Do more research outside of the WT’s influence dude.
So, you could *not* refute the clear evidence of 1 Thessalonians 4:16 with John 5:28-29, eh ? You know, if you read the Bible in context, then, you will get the proper understanding.
Here is another one for you. In Revelation 1:1, is Jesus identified as God ? Or as a Chief Angel ?
@@jwdefensor8055 Actually I did a video on 1 Thes 4:16, I believe you clicked on it. You realize that YHWH has a voice of many waters, I don’t assume him an ocean. You have 66 books nearly all about Jesus, and not one makes and explicit Jesus = Michael revelation. You have to take literally one verse that is so easily read as being medifore, which the Bible is always doing.
In regards to Rev 1:1, it’s called reading the whole Book. I know this is not a typical practice with JW’s but I recommend it. Seriously, notice how it opens like this, and then ends…
Rev 22:16
“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you of these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”
Again, trying to make Jesus and angel out of Rev 1:1 when this angel mentioned multiple times is ridiculous.
I do read it in context.
For instance, you quote Revelation 22:16. Do you know what is interesting about that scripture which proves Jesus is an angel, and more specifically, an angel who is above all angels ?
The word “ *bright morning star* .” Why these words ?
Job 38:7 identifies *angelic sons* of God as “ *morning stars* ”. And *Jesus alone* , is identified, as per Revelation 22:16, as “ *the bright* morning star”.
In Revelation 1:1, *Jesus is identified as chief angel* . He is *not* identified as God.
Revelation 1:1 does not support your errant claim that Jesus is an angel (ie. Michael). The verse reads, “A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John.”[1]
This verse can be read either as 1) a four stage transmission-God to Christ, Christ to his
angel, the angel to John, and John to his servants-or 2) as a three stage transmission-God to Christ, Christ to John, and John to his servants.
If option 2 is chosen then the “he” in the second sentence is God the Father and the “angel” is Jesus. JW’s jump up and down and say, ‘see, Jesus is being called an angel! That makes him Michael.’ Not quite. First, Michael is an archangel, so if he is in view, why does the text say “angel” and not “archangel,” or just “Michael”? Second, “angel” (ἄγγελος) simply means “messenger.” God is called “the Angel” in Gen 48:16[2]. People are called “angels” in Gen 32:3. The Malak YHWH (who is YHWH) is called “the Angel.” None of these are “angels” (messengers) by _nature,_ but by _function._ If Jesus is in view in Rev 1:1 then he is being called “angel” because he is performing the function of a “messenger” (ἄγγελος), not that he is an angel by nature-as Hebrews 1 explicitly rejects.
However, option 1 is to be preferred over option 2. The “he” in the second sentence is Jesus who sends his angel to transmit the message to John, as Jesus himself makes clear in Rev 22:16: “I, Jesus, *sent my angel* to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations.” Throughout Revelation it is an angel who is revealing things to John, not Jesus (17:7, 17:15, etc.) and “would undoubtedly be the angel who appears again in chapter 22 to rebuke John for falling at his feet to worship.”[3]
Notice the dichotomy between Jesus and angels in Revelation alone:
- Angels refuse worship (19:10; 22:9)
- Jesus accepts worship (5:8-14)
- Angels are fellow servants (22:9)
- Jesus is the Son and Lord (2:18; 22:20)
Revelation 1:1 does not support the errant idea that Jesus is an angel. The entire book presents Jesus as God the Son, who reigns as co-regent with the Father, has universal dominion and receives universal worship.
[1] All verses taken from the NWT. [2] M. Sarna says “angel” is an epithet of God. Nahum M. Sarna, The JPS Torah Commentary: Genesis, vol. 1 (Philadelphia, PA: Jewish Publication Society, 1989), 328. [3] Robert H. Mounce, The Book of Revelation: Revised (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1998), ePub, Superscription.
Daniel 12:1 says the Michael will act on behalf of God's people at the end.
Jesus says it is he- Matthew 24:30.
Unless God is going to use two separate individuals to achieve his one purpose, logically, they are one and the same.
-Daniel 12:1 “At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.
-Matthew 24:30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.
> Those are not the same thing. Also consider these verses also.
- Daniel 10:13 However, the prince of the kingdom of Persia opposed me for twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia.
- Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every person according to his deeds.
> So Michael, is one of other chief princes(angels), Jesus arrives, with angels. Consider this.
President Jay will arrive on the battlefield at the end of the war.
General Mike will march on the battlefield at the end of the war.
These are two people, same event, both hold high positions, but they have two different names, and positions, not the same people. No one would ever assume General Mike and President Jay are the same person, this is why ALL literature follows the rule of different names for different individuals. I could just ask, what's your opinion on....
John 10:28 and I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
Deuteronomy 32:39 “‘See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal;
and there is none that can deliver out of my hand
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : Isn't one comparing Jesus with Michael anyway with one's analogy?
God cannot be compared to anyone.
Isaiah 40:18 To whom can you compare God? What likeness can you put next to him?
God will use only ONE individual to carry out his singular task at the end.
(Matthew 24:30) Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
(Daniel 12:1) “During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time YOUR PEOPLE WILL ESCAPE, everyone who is found written down in the book.
2 Thessalonians 1:7 But you who suffer tribulation WILL BE GIVEN RELIEF along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels
Both Michael and Jesus appear on behalf of God's people at the end. Both appearances cause unprecedented trouble and grief among the nations.
Both rescue God's people.
Isn't it logical that Michael is Jesus.
@@tongakhan230 No it's not logical, It is absolutely illogical and ignores literature and reason. No one reading the Bible would ever draw that Michael and Jesus as the same person. Firstly Hebrews goes through a lot of trouble to make sure no one calls Jesus an angel. Michael can NOT be Jesus if he is one of a chief princes, that means there are some who are equal to him, yet all angels worship jesus and he commands them.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : Has one even read Pauls' reasoning with the Jews in the book of Hebrews. Let me help.
'To which of THE ANGELS did God say...' Hebrews 1:5,13.
Jesus was CHOSEN FROM AMONG THE ANGELS. Michael is one such angel.
Else, Paul is comparing apples with marbles.
If I ask the question: Which of the horses was used in the Parade?
The answer logically would be ONE OF THE HORSES and NOT an Elephant.
(Hebrews 1:9) You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, YOUR GOD, ANOINTED YOU with the oil of exultation MORE THAN YOUR COMPANIONS.”
This was FIRST used for a Judean King whom God CHOSE from among other contenders to the throne, and anointed as King (Psalms 45:6,7).
Paul ALSO applies it to Jesus.
Just as that Judean King had a God and fellows from whom he was chosen, Jesus too has a God and fellow angels from whom he was chosen.
God cannot anoint HIMSELF. That would be mind blowing. God can only anoint someone he CHOOSES. God has NO COMPANION GODS.
Trying to get around 1 Thessalonians 4:16 with diagrams and other false reasoning in which Paul clearly identifies Jesus as Michael the Archangel is self deception.
Jesus won't mimic another's voice. He will use his OWN.
Else, what need was there for Paul to write that statement.
Stay with what the Bible DOES TEACH. Safer.
I hope this helps.
The name “Michael” means “Who Is Like God?” thus indicating that this foremost prince upholds Jehovah’s sovereignty. Since Michael is also a champion of God’s people, we have reason to identify him with the unnamed angel that God sent ahead of the Israelites hundreds of years before: “Here I am sending AN ANGEL ahead of you to keep you on the road and to bring you into the place that I have prepared. Watch yourself because of him and obey his voice. Do not behave rebelliously against him, for he will not pardon your transgression; BECAUSE MY NAME IS WITHIN HIM.”-Exodus 23:20, 21.
@@tongakhan230 So much here is wrong, but I must I’ll refer to a video I did on Hebrews ->
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Also note that in Exodus, that’s The Malak of YHWH, and God’s very name is in him. Also, angel just means messenger, not always a spiritual being.
One of the chief princes of more appropriately first of the chief princes. The Jude argument is irrelevant when cross referenced with the Angel of the Lord saying the exact same in Zechariah 3:2
Archangel and Angel are very different words with very different meanings…
Zechariah doesn’t enter into this. Why does a creature have more authority and power than the creator? If Michael is Jesus, Jesus is the creator of all things, including Satan. So Satan had a greater authority and power than God?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry the scriptures are to be cross referenced. This is an illustration from God whether you acknowledge it or not. The verse in Zechariah absolutely does matter because the Angel of the Lord(that we know is Christ) says the exact same thing in the same way, in a different situation.
@@archmichael3698 Not a cross reference, Zachariah wasn’t talking about the Body of Moses. notice the text in Jude doesn’t say Jesus, but says Michael. Michael, who is an arch angel. Not Jesus, who is the unique, one of a kind son of God. This is a belief create by a woman in the 1800’s she got from a dream. This is inserting ideas into the text that arnt there. If the text says Michael, I’m going to believe that, if it says Jesus, then it’s Jesus. I don’t think it’s wise to give extra identities to Christ, especially when it’s not explicitly said in Scripture. To call Jesus Michael, is demoting him to a chief angel, and not the eternal uncreated God.
You are delusional but you clearly don’t want to see the truth. There are other terms that name Christ, not solely Jesus Christ. King of kings, Lord of lords, Prince of Peace. The cross reference is simply a blatant illustration of the Truth that the Angel of the Lord, that we know is Jesus, said the exact same thing Archangel Michael says. Again you are deceived if you don’t understand, but that’s ok.
@@archmichael3698 Calling someone delusional to try and prove yourself right isn’t a good tactic.
At 50s into the video the speaker attempts to down-play the obvious point that Jesus' voice is or at least is possible is an archangel's voice by referring his listeners to Rev.1.15 and Ez.43.2. But those are both *similies* , their voices, Jesus' and Jehovah's voices, are *likened* to 'many waters."
Rev.1.15 "his voice was *like* the sound of many waters."
Ez.43.2 "his voice was *like* the sound of rushing waters".
But at 1 Thess.4.16 there is no "with the voice *like* an archangel" but simply "with the voice of an archangel." The speaker's attempt to refute the only two possible ways to understand Paul here is desperate.
He claims that this reference to an archangel's voice has to do with 'loudness'! If Paul wanted to show this for the voice of the Lord Jesus he could have used the expression that occurs in the GNT about 40 times, starting at Matthew 27.46 to Revelation 21.3, namely
φωνῇ μεγάλῃ, "with a loud voice." But he didn't. Paul is describing not how loud is the voice of the Lord Jesus Christ but to denote it's and his *authority* . Yes, it is fitting to because the Lord * is *, very probably, the archangel. But no, the speaker can not accept what is patently obvious so he resorts to an attempt to say Paul was using figurative speech. But this fails as shown above with his [mis]using Rev.1.15 and Ez.43.2.
But the speaker claims that Paul was using a *metaphor* here not a simile! So why refers to two that are! But once again his only reason is the *unsubstantiated claim* the "context" shows this....but does not show how the context does. Paul was not speaking a metaphor for the simple reason he is not saying one thing "is" another. He did not say the Lord's voice "is an archangels voice", like that(for example, compare the metaphor "You *are* the salt of the earth" by Jesus) but that the Lord descended " *with* the voice of an archangel". Hence again, the speaker fails to make his case because the way Paul wrote was neither a similie or a metaphor. But of course most listeners would not catch on that this is what he attempts to do and that he fails.
If Jesus is Michael, tonight go to bed and pray in the name of Michael. I bet you’ll feel terrible after you finished.
Jesus instructed HIS DISCIPLES to pray THROUGH him. Not what he had BEEN before God sent him.
1 John 3:23 Indeed, this is his commandment: that we have faith IN THE NAME OF HIS SON JESUS CHRIST and love one another, just as he gave us a commandment.
What Jesus WAS before God sent him is not as important as who Jesus IS and what he is doing now.
Hope this helps.
What about is Michael the Archangel Jesus?
NO ! That’s a lie from the pits of hell… Jesus has NO wings… He’s fully Divine and fully man on Earth/GOD in Flesh/ The One and Only Begotten Son of GOD The Father… John 1:18 reads He(Jesus) was in the bosom of The Father❤John 17 My Father and I are One ❤
Michael is Michael the one with the wings ….
@@maryhelencampos9964 I didn't say Jesus is Michael, I said Michael is Jesus.
Difference actually.
JWs say Jesus is just an angel, a creature.
I'm saying what if Michael is actually a title for Christ, the 2nd Person of the Trinity.
Some people have taken this view in history that Michael is Christ
@@maryhelencampos9964 the wing stuff is just art
No the book of Revelation describes wings/ chariots in Wheels within the wheels described wings in the OT Ezekiel etc…
I believe that our understanding is flawed about who angels and archangels are. Probably due to the English word used is angel. Its actually "messenger". Are messengers also spirits? I would think so.. but are there different kinds of spirits? What are spirits? There are 7 spirits of God right? And some biblical writings say there are 7 archangels, arch messengers. Are they the same thing? And who was this Elijah spirit or messenger sent as John the Baptist? The whole thing is confused and we know YHWH is not the author of confusion. So that means the texts are obviously edited by blind guides. This happened thruout the NT as even scholars can prove. Not to mention Jeremiah 8.8 and other warnings about this in the NT itself.
Please permit me to share our reasoning on this topic. Allowing the Bible to interpret itself by consulting the many scriptures that have to do with Jesus' role in the heavens, this is why we believe 'Michael the Archangel' is another one of his heavenly Titles.
Michael is called “THE” Archangel (the term occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural). This suggests that there is only One such angel. The Greek prefix 'Arch', means Chief or Principle.
Keeping in mind that angels are Spirit Beings, the Hebrew word for angel (mal-'akh') and the Greek word for angel (ag'ge·los), simply means “MESSENGER.” It describes what they DO. Similarly, our English word “angel” is a Title that describes the role these spirit beings play-they’re God’s “Messengers.” That is the way THE ARCHangel serves God, as his Chief Messenger; chief over all other “messengers” (angels) in the heavens. Indicating this, Rev. 12:7 says, ". . . war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and “HIS angels" battled with the dragon and its angels . . ."
Now, this is the point. Aside from Jesus’ Father, only one other heavenly Being is spoken of as having angels under subjection as Revelation stated above-namely, Jesus. 1Pet 3:22 states, "He (Jesus) is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and “angels” and authorities and powers were made subject to HIM," not some other angelic heavenly being. (Note: Wicked angels came under the “Rulership” of Satan-Matthew 12:24; Luke 11:15; compare 2Cor 4:3,4)
So, in referring to Jesus as “Michael the Archangel,” what we are in fact saying is that before he came to earth and upon his return to heaven, Jesus has, as one of his MANY heavenly name/titles-Michael, the Chief Messenger (Archangel) of God. This heavenly name focuses attention on his role as the leading “Advocate” (The Word) of God. (“The Word” being another one of his heavenly titles; he speaks for God) [Two comparison scriptures you may find interesting: Ex 14:19,20a and 1Cor 10:1-4]
Too, 1Thess 4:16 says that when “the Lord descends with his commanding call, with an archangel’s voice, then those who are dead in union with him will rise…” He is calling individuals from the grave. Interestingly, at John 5:21,25 Jesus himself tells us that the dead will: “hear the “VOICE” of THE SON OF GOD: and they that hear shall live.” (KJ) God has assigned Jesus to raise the dead not some other heavenly Being. (Jo 11:25)
Finally, though many may feel it's demeaning to refer to Jesus as the Chief Messenger Michael, it must be acknowledged that he left his position in heaven, bore the name Jesus and became a 'human'. . . a status decidedly lower than angels, and at no time did HE consider it demeaning or beneath him. -Php.2:6,7; Heb.2:7,9. (Messiah being yet another one of his titles/role)
@@tobeornottobe50 Ill never reject someone else's opinion, educated or uneducated. Ill read carefully what you wrote. I by no means think I have all the answers. There is another verse in Psalm 85:6 I find intriguing. "I have said YE are elohim and SONS of the Most High".
As well as Paul's comments about us being "like the angels" in the resurrection. A lot of clues that I feel got lost in translation.
Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the MESSIAH THE PRINCE shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Question: Who is the Messiah the Prince ?
It proved to be Jesus, the Christ. Calculating from the year the word to rebuild Jerusalem went out until the Messiah comes, gives us the year 29 C.E.
Jesus, the son of God, was anointed as the Messiah at his water baptism.
Daniel 9:26,27. At the half of the 70th week Jesus would be cut off.
After a 3 and a half year ministry Jesus was killed.
Each day is calculated as a year in that prophecy. Compare Ezekiel 4:6.
This video does bring up another argument that God is Jesus when some believe Jesus to be the son of God and a separate being.
Christians believe the Bible. Jesus is called a SON of God. Never God.
To make Jesus into God, scriptures have to be twisted or taken in bits and pieces out of context.
Christians are DISCIPLES of Jesus. Not his worshipers.
Revelation 19:16 king of kings lord of lords, so how could he possibly be "one of the foremost angels?"
Daniel 2:37 You, O king-the king of kings to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the might, the strength, and the glory,
The PAGAN Babylonian King is also called King of Kings,
It is just a title of authority and power.
(Matthew 28:18) Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been GIVEN ME in heaven and on the earth.
If Jesus was GIVEN all authority by God it means that he didn't have it to start out with.
GIVERS are NEVER the RECIPIENTS. That would make no sense.
Just some help.
@@tongakhan230
No.
This king was called
"a king of kings."
Christ is "The King of kings."
This is a TITLE.
The Babylonian was called a king of kings, and it was not a TITLE.
Christ is "The King of kings."
@@mattmurdock2868 : With respect. How did one come up with such a theory.
King of kings is a TITLE.
In both cases it is so.
@@tongakhan230 so it's a title. Are Kings just men given titles without any power or authority? What you wrote is illogical and tells me you don't know what a king is. That is something learned by children before they start school in my country.
@@Episcopalianacolyte
At issue is Watchtower's erroneous teachings.
Presently it is the problematic NWT and its false "translation."
In reality it is the Neverending quest to rob the Christ of His titles, and to misapply and attribute to another, usually "Jehovah."
It's called replacement theology.
In this case, Watchtower has called king Nebuchadnezzar, "the king of kings."
But in true Watchtower fashion, that is not found to be true.
"You, O king, are a king of kings.."
Dan.2:37
Daniel referred to this king, a man, as a king of kings.
He did not refer to him as the King of Kings, which is a title of the Christ.
But that's the name of the game at Watchtower, it's all about replacement theology.
Most christian theologists failed to find the truth, and refuting Jesus 's explaination to his apostles apostles privately, and accusing the apostles of disobeying Jesus's instructions to proclaim that Jehovah ressurected him and exalted him as an Archangel, @Mat, 10:26-28 /13:10-11 / Mark, 4:34, /Deut, 32:39 /1st, Sam, 2:6-7 /2nd, kings, 5:7, Acts, 5:28-31,
What does John 1-1/4 tells us. Jesus is the WORD of God and not an angel.
@@geralddissanayaka7168@Deut, 18:18-19/ Acts, 3:22-23, Jehovah put his words at Jesus mouth, @Gen,1:26, Jehovah and Jesus have the same invisible images, @John 1:1, the word, Jesus, was God, John used the word Was God, Jesus is one of God's children, the angels, so, he was God before he was sent, @Psalm, 82:6/ John, 10: 34-36, Jesus defended himself against his accuser, using this verse, where God called God's those who directly received his words,
Jesus was not the archangel Michel before or after.
1John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
John 1:1, clearly demonstrates that in the beginning,which occurs in heaven, the earth was not yet created, that in the beginning, the word Jesus was with God, it did not say, the word was alone, @ Proverbs, 8:22-31/ Here is King Solomon's God given wisdom, from the beginning of creation of earth, Jesus was already there, he witnessed and received glory from his father while they were both in heaven, when he was sent on earth, he never forget his position in heaven, He prayed this for his apostles, Father glorify me, which the glory I received when I'm with you, before the earth was created, @John,17:1-5,-22, @@geralddissanayaka7168
@@MrZeuqsav Proverbs 8 -12 /30 speaks of WISDOM and not JESUS.
You agree Angel of the lord is pre incarnate Jesus
Read Zechariah 3:2 and relate to Jude 1:9
Michael not daring means he did not stoop low to be like Satan the accuser while contending the body of Moses
In both Daniel 12:1 and Jude 1:9 Michael is involved in resurrection
If Christ can take the form of man can't he take the form of an Angel?
Because Christ is God incarnate, not a created being.
Would those who say that Michael the Archangel is NOT Jesus's Heavenly name, please tell us who they think it is.!
YHWH is his name
@@amanbushie7605 : Is this to indicate that God SENT himself (re Galatians 4:4)? Logically and grammatically impossible. To be SENT by God, Jesus had to be an ANGEL. Only someone with a HIGHER AUTHORITY can SEND someone lower. See Jesus' logical reasoning found at John 13:16.
@@johnrideout7124 Jesus isn't michael.
@@jimjuri6490 How?
@@misterauctor7353 I did actually ask the Michael deniers, who do THEY, think he is, using a scripture, for me to understand please. ...........Thankyou.............end of.!
Thumbs up my brother. We need to continue unlearning the lies. I am not sure where some religions or cults get the idea that Micheal is Jesus.....
Probably people who stick to what the Bible teaches.
In contrast with those who believe that the God no human can see and live (Exo 33:20) was SEEN riding a donkey.
If someone wants help just ask.
Please permit me to share our reasoning on this topic. Allowing the Bible to interpret itself by consulting the many scriptures that have to do with Jesus' role in the heavens, this is why we believe 'Michael the Archangel' is yet another one of Jesus' heavenly Titles.
Michael is called “THE” Archangel (the term occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural). This suggests that there is only One such angel. The Greek prefix 'Arch', means Chief or Principle.
Keeping in mind that angels are Spirit Beings, the Hebrew word for angel (mal-'akh') and the Greek word for angel (ag'ge·los), simply means “MESSENGER.” It describes what they DO. Similarly, our English word “angel” is a Title that describes the role these spirit beings play-they’re God’s “Messengers.” That is the way THE ARCHangel serves God, as his Chief Messenger; chief over all other “messengers” (angels) in the heavens. Indicating this, Rev. 12:7 says, ". . . war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and “HIS angels" battled with the dragon and its angels . . ."
Now, this is the point. Aside from Jesus’ Father, only one other heavenly Being is spoken of as having angels under subjection as Revelation stated above-namely, Jesus. 1Pet 3:22 states, "He (Jesus) is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and “angels” and authorities and powers were made subject to HIM," not some other angelic heavenly being. (Note: Wicked angels came under the “Rulership” of Satan-Matthew 12:24; Luke 11:15; compare 2Cor 4:3,4)
So, in referring to Jesus as “Michael the Archangel,” what we are in fact saying is that before he came to earth and upon his return to heaven, Jesus has, as one of his MANY heavenly name/titles-Michael, the Chief Messenger (Archangel) of God. This heavenly names focuses attention on his role as the leading “Advocate” (The Word) of God. (“The Word” being another one of his heavenly titles; he speaks for God) [Two comparison scriptures you may find interesting: Ex 14:19,20a and 1Cor 10:1-4]
Too, 1Thess 4:16 says that when “the Lord descends with his commanding call, with an archangel’s voice, then those who are dead in union with him will rise…” He is calling individuals from the grave. Interestingly, at John 5:21,25 Jesus himself tells us that the dead will: “hear the “VOICE” of THE SON OF GOD: and they that hear shall live.” (KJ) God has assigned Jesus to raise the dead not some other heavenly Being. (Jo 11:25)
Finally, though many may feel it's demeaning to refer to Jesus as the Chief Messenger Michael, it must be acknowledged that he left his position in heaven, bore the name Jesus and became a 'human'. . . a status decidedly lower than angels, and at no time did HE consider it demeaning or beneath him. -Php.2:6,7; Heb.2:7,9. (Messiah being yet another one of his titles/role)
Is Jesus is a created being? Read Col 1:16 and I think Heb 1:6 would imply that even Micheal should worship Jesus. You say let the bible interpret itself, please do.
@@jobjoseph1815 Bye, bye. Nice chatting with you.
@@jobjoseph1815 :(Colossians 1:15) He is the IMAGE of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN of all creation;
(Hebrews 1:6) But when he again brings HIS FIRSTBORN into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do obeisance to him.”
Michael, the Leader of the Angels, got a new position with all authority.
The other angels are commanded by God to honour this NEW POSITION that Jesus got.
(Philippians 2:9) For this very reason, God exalted him (ie. Jesus) TO A SUPERIOR POSITION and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name,
God promoting HIMSELF to be GREATER than ALMIGHTY??????????
(Hebrews 1:4) So he has BECOME BETTER than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent THAN THEIRS.
All self explanatory for any TRUTH seeker.
this is such a shallow understanding of the texts
Acts 23:11 And the NIGHT following the Lord (Jesus) stood by him, and said, Be of good cheer, Paul: for as thou hast testified of me in Jerusalem, so must thou bear witness also at Rome.
Act 27:23 For there stood by me this NIGHT the ANGEL OF GOD, whose I am, and whom I serve,
QUESTION: Who is the Angel that stood in the night, that Paul serve ?
ANSWER:
1Ti 1:12 I give thanks to Christ Jesus our Lord, who has given me strength for my work. I thank him for considering me worthy and appointing me to serve him, (GNB)
Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
He is part of the Trinity and worships the Father.
Question what was the name of the SON of God before he was sent to this Earth became it wasn't JESUS.
Jehovah (YHWH; Exodus 3). Jesus is the name given to him in his incarnation as a human (Luke 1:31).
@@kevinfromcanada4379 so when Jehovah = Jesus Was Baptized who's voice did he Hear from Heaven.
@@leeBoB4257 My friend, this is a common objection by unitarians and displays either ignorance or dishonesty regarding the trinitarian position. A variant question is, "Was Jesus praying to himself?"
The one God (Jehovah; YHWH) subsists in three persons: Father, Son & Holy Spirit.
Jesus is Jehovah, the second person of the triune God. It is incorrect, however, to say "Jehovah = Jesus" since it is not a convertible proposition, just as it is incorrect to say "Jehovah = the Father."
@@kevinfromcanada4379 This is a Scriptual Question and NOT an Objection After JESUS had come up from the water; and while he was praying, "he saw the Heavens being parted"and God's spirit descended upon JESUS in bodily shape like a DOVE, and "JEHOVAH'S VOICE "Was heard from Heaven, saying YOU ARE MY SON,THE BELOVED; I HAVE APPROVED YOU Matt,3:16, 17; Mark 1:9-11; Luke 3:21,22. First who was JESUS praying to and who's VOICE did he hear. You say JESUS is JEHOVAH so was JESUS praying to himself and did JESUS hear his OWN VOICE from Heaven. If that's your belief JESUS was praying to himself and JEHOVAH was speaking to himself.
@@leeBoB4257 Your objection is presented in the guise of a question, but your intent is to object to the trinitarian affirmation that Jesus is Jehovah. So be honest.
Speaking of honesty-have you honesty represented what trinitarians believe? Do we believe that Jesus heard his own voice at the baptism or was praying to himself?
In light of the trinitarian belief that the one God subsists in three persons, how would a trinitarian answer the questions, "Who's voice did Jesus hear at his baptism?" And, "Who was Jesus praying to?" How would we answer that question if you were to represent us honesty?
Yes
I urge the jws watching this video to look up on there website 1 thes 4:16 in the 1984 nwt, click on the asterisk next to the word Lord and read what it says. Spoiler alert , it says Jehovah.
You're a liar, the reference is to Matt. 24:30 which refers only to Jesus.
(Matthew 24:30) Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Does that mean that Almighty God comes as Jesus doing voice impersonations?
Ref 1 Thessalonians 4:16.
Michel is not the only chief of angels, read Daniel:
. Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
What do you mean by one of the chief princes?
The Managing Director, the Marketing Director, the General Manager and other Managers can all be referred individually to as ONE of the Executives.
However there can only be ONE MD.
These are in the earthly realm and what is in the spirit realm is according to Almighty God. Almighty God is the one and only MD in the spirit world.@@jimjuri6490
Michel is one of the chief princes angel. That mean there are others also.d
@@geralddissanayaka7168 : Yes! There are other ranked angels. However there is only ONE SUPREME LEADER of God's angels.
2 Thessalonians 1:7....at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with HIS POWERFUL ANGELS.
Revelation 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and HIS ANGELS....
God doesn't have two separate leaders of God's faithful angels.
Only ONE. Known by two names.
@@jimjuri6490 God never gave any part of His salvation plan to any of His angels, not even to archangel Michel.
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
All angels of God will worship Lord Jesus Christ including archangel Michel.
When the time comes all things will be made clear, I don't let this teaching trip me, so many things to worry about. God allmighty's authority should not be questioned, only way to him is through Jesus, we must run our race till the end.
So you’re ok with teaching that contradict scripture, and assume it’ll be ironed out eventually? What then is the point of studying scripture? You could just believe whatever you want, assume you’re correct and hope it harmonizes at the end. God gave us reason, logic to find the truth
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It doesn't contradict scripture. Your belief contradict scripture. Just like you didn't understand what a firstborn is.. even though Genesis 49:3 Deuteronomy 21:17 explicitly tells us. Why weren't these texts in your firstborn video?
@@eew8060 why are you talking about the word firstborn in a video about Michael the Archangel?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry
Because you left the firstborn page. Did you know that Melchizedek is understood by scholars to be another name for Archangel Michael?
@@eew8060 Yeah, well aware. I find it nonsensical. You realize you can find atleast one scholar who will agree on the craziest belief. You want aliens are demons, or that all dogs go to heaven, I’m sure I’ll find more than one “scholar” So why do you listen to the one or two who have the Michael belief, and ignore the other who believes it’s the 4th person of the Trinity, or the first high priest who was the King of Salem? There are many thousands of scholars who believe in the Trinity, some who deny the New Testament as scripture, so it’s true because “that one scholar said so.” The beauty of scripture is we don’t need the opinions of others to understand the text, just humility and the Holy Spirit, not men, not scholars, or magazine publishers from Brooklyn New York.
As for the JW cult,even main stream christian truth from the bible contradicts their idea of Jesus being Michael the archangel.This is refuted in the book of Hebrews 1:5For to which of the angels did God ever say:
“You are My Son;
today I have become Your Father”?
To WHICH of the ANGELS - Heb 1:5,13 means what?
That God is compared to angels? Or Jesus himself is an angel?
Jesus would logically have the highest position AMONG THE ANGELS. He being God's First created son. Thus, Jesus is the Archangel.
See Paul's words at 1 Thessalonians 4:16 confirming this.
@@jimjuri6490 none of the angels.They are all below Jesus. He is not an angel.He is God and they serve Him and the part of Him that became a son on earth and is now in Heaven in a human body.God is above His servants.Angels are servants of God.
@@Elvengem : How can God BECOME BETTER than the ANGELS?
(Hebrews 1:4) So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.
Was Paul comparing God to angels?
OR specifying a particular angel?
Think about it rationally.
@@jimjuri6490 are you a jw? because if so,that cult is rotten to the core and founded by a false prophet who wrongly predicted the return of Christ.Jesus is above angels and because He is equal to GOD and they are His servants. Servants are not greater than their master.john 13:16.
JW’s teach that Jesus was murder/ go ahead and believe that but it’s not full coverage insurance/ Jesus gave up His life freely/ He laid it down on His own / The Sinless Spotless Supreme Sacrifice…He could of called 10,000 Angels but didn’t… that’s full coverage insurance of Salvation saved by Grace through Faith ❤He died physically and spiritually and resurrected body and spirit❤
And let all the angels worship him.
How can Michael worship himself ?
Worship: one meaning.
honour given to someone in recognition of their merit.
God commands the angels to give proper honor and respect for Jesus' NEW POSITION. God promoted Jesus as shown at Philippians 2:9.
Jesus aka Michael, has always been the Leader of the Angels.
Now he has all authority because God gave him this privilege. Matthew 28:18.
Jesus cannot be Michael because Michael would have to summit to the authority of Jesus instead of God; to bend the knee. Michael is the Angel of the Lord, not the Angel of Jesus. Furthermore, Michael would have to accept Christian doctrine and reject Judaism, eg. Jesus born of a virgin, or the Trinity (god, holy spirit and son) instead of Hear Israel, the Lord is one. Michael protects Israel; the People of Daniel, Judaism and not Christianity. The book of Daniel was written before the new testament. Enoch was written before Christiniaty. Christianity has adopted Michael was a guardian angel just as Gabriel, Palmoni, and Raphael. Nevertheless, Michael is a military leader. So, in conclusion they are two, Jesus and Michael.
Lastly, as soon as an Angel (e.g., Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, Palmoni, Ariel) bowsdown to Jesus then they have committed idolatry for they worship a man instead of God. Jesus is not to be worship only god alone.
Michael is one who is like god without a question mark.
Jesus is god is salvation.
Please permit me to share our reasoning on this topic. Allowing the Bible to interpret itself by consulting the many scriptures that have to do with Jesus' role in the heavens, this is why we believe 'Michael the Archangel' is another one of his heavenly Titles.
Michael is called “THE” Archangel (the term occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural). This suggest that there is only One such angel. The Greek prefix 'Arch', means Chief or Principle.
Keeping in mind that angels are Spirit Beings, the Hebrew word for angel (mal-'akh') and the Greek word for angel (ag'ge·los), simply means “MESSENGER.” It describes what they DO. Similarly, our English word “angel” is a Title that describes the role these spirit beings play-they’re God’s “Messengers.” That is the way THE ARCHangel serves God, as his Chief Messenger; chief over all other “messengers” (angels) in the heavens. Indicating this, Rev. 12:7 says, ". . . war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and “HIS angels" battled with the dragon and its angels . . ."
Now, this is the point. Aside from Jesus’ Father, only one other heavenly Being is spoken of as having angels under subjection as Revelation stated above-namely, Jesus. 1Pet 3:22 states, "He (Jesus) is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and “angels” and authorities and powers were made subject to HIM," not some other angelic heavenly being. (Note: Wicked angels came under the “Rulership” of Satan-Matthew 12:24; Luke 11:15; compare 2Cor 4:3,4)
So, in referring to Jesus as “Michael the Archangel,” what we are in fact saying is that before he came to earth and upon his return to heaven, Jesus has, as one of his MANY heavenly name/titles-Michael, the Chief Messenger (Archangel) of God. This heavenly names focuses attention on his role as the leading “Advocate” (The Word) of God. (“The Word” being another one of his heavenly titles; he speaks for God) [Two comparison scriptures you may find interesting: Ex 14:19,20a and 1Cor 10:1-4]
Too, 1Thess 4:16 says that when “the Lord descends with his commanding call, with an archangel’s voice, then those who are dead in union with him will rise…” He is calling individuals from the grave. Interestingly, at John 5:21,25 Jesus himself tells us that the dead will: “hear the “VOICE” of THE SON OF GOD: and they that hear shall live.” (KJ) God has assigned Jesus to raise the dead not some other heavenly Being. (Jo 11:25)
Finally, though many may feel it's demeaning to refer to Jesus as the Chief Messenger Michael, it must be acknowledged that he left his position in heaven, bore the name Jesus and became a 'human'. . . a status decidedly lower than angels, and at no time did HE consider it demeaning or beneath him. -Php.2:6,7; Heb.2:7,9. (Messiah being yet another one of his titles/role)
Jesus Christ is the Son of the living GOD ! He is the King of kings and the Lord of lords !
We have the authority to rebuke the devil but the Archangel doesnt!?😅 U didnt understand jude .
If one read Jude 9, it was an incident BEFORE God gave Jesus all authority.
It seems Jesus is the archangel Revelation 9:11
Please tell me you don’t think Jesus is Abaddon? That’s Satan.
Archangel means head of the angels. The head could be a non angel. So arguments that our Messiah is not an angel don't work. He is one-of-a-kind, so that Jude verse is great evidence that Michael is not our Messiah, but not proof enough. You make other good points that our Messiah is not Michael. I think the two religious groups that say he is are Jehovah Witnesses and the Seventh-day Adventists. There are plenty of other false doctrines they believe to call them out on that have more solid proof. Thank you for your work. It is an arrow in a quiver of arrows in shooting down false doctrines.
This is who the Bible says Michael the Archangel is.
Let’s start with some definitions. How about we start with the word Angel. In essence, an angel is a “Messenger”. Other words used, in the Strong’s Concordance used to define “angel” are “prophet, priest, teacher and king”. Do you know any Bible passages that use the words prophet, priest, teacher or king to describe Jesus? Deuteronomy 18:15, a passage recognized as describing the Messiah “The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a PROPHET from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;”. Hebrews 9:11 “But Christ being come an high PREIST of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;”. John 3:2. “The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a TEACHER come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.” 1 Timothy 6:15 “ Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the KING of kings, and Lord of lords;”. So we see that Jesus is called other things besides God, Savior, Prophet, Priest, Teacher, King and many other titles…including Angel or Messenger. Is Jesus a messenger? Did He come to reveal the true character of the Father? Did He come to deliver the message about salvation through Him to the world? Because He is called “Angel” does not mean He is a created being. He is God Almighty. Angel is simply one of the many titles or designations of Jesus. There are too many to list here but some that are noteworthy are “the Lamb of God”, the Bread of Life” and “the Way, the Truth and the Life.” Is Jesus literally a lamb, or a loaf of bread? No but we use those names to describe His work. Same as “Archangel”.
Before we proceed any further, please carefully read and digest this next thought. Because the word "angel" means messenger, it is used very freely and broadly in Scripture. Sometimes, men are called angels in the Bible 1 Samuel 29:9 Galatians 4:14. And sometimes angels are called men Genesis 32:24. And in other places, as will be soon shown, God Himself is identified as an angel! Of course, even angels are called angels.
Archangel means “a chief angel”. Or “leader of the angels”. Since we learned that angel means messenger and archangel is the chief or leader of the angels, can the name be applied to Jesus? Is He the “Chief” messenger and “leader” of the angelic host? He is.
Now for the name “Michael”. Names in the Bible mean something. They are not always just names. Abram & Abraham mean “exalted father” and “father of a multitude” respectively. Melchizedek, “king of righteousness”. What does the name Michael mean? It means “One who is as God is”. Is Jesus like God? He sure is. He’s just like God the Father. John 10:30 “ I and my Father are one.”.
Here are just a few passages that refer to “the Angel of the Lord”. Let’s see if we can find out who this is.
Exodus 3:2-6 “The angel of the Lord appeared to him in a blazing fire from the midst of a bush; and he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, yet the bush was not consumed. So Moses said, “I must turn aside now and see this marvelous sight, why the bush is not burned up.” When the Lord saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.” Then He said, “Do not come near here; remove your sandals from your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy ground.” He said also, “I am the God of your father, the God Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” Then Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God.”. We see that this is none other than God, the preincarnate Jesus. John 8:58, “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am”. Jesus is telling us He is the one who appeared to Moses in the burning bush. The “Angel of the Lord”, the “I Am”, Jesus. All one and the same person. So Jesus is referred to as an “Angel”.
Exodus 14:19 “The angel of God, who had been going before the camp of Israel, moved and went behind them; and the pillar of cloud moved from before them and stood behind them.” Who is recognized as being in the pillars of smoke and fire? Who is this angel of God? Jesus, again referred to as an angel.
Judges 2:1-4 “Now the angel of the Lord came up from Gilgal to Bochim. And he said, “I brought you up out of Egypt and led you into the land which I have sworn to your fathers; and I said, ‘I will never break My covenant with you…”. Who brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt. According to this passage “the angel of the Lord”.
Psalm 34:7-9 “The angel of the LORD encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them. O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him. O fear the LORD, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him”. We should fear “the angel of the Lord”, “fear the Lord”. They are one and the same.
Other names for Jesus.
Joshua 5:14, 15 “And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant? And the captain of the LORD's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.” Same as at the burning bush Joshua was instructed to remove his shoes in the presence of Holiness, the presence of Jesus, the “captain of the Lord’s host”.
The name Michael is used for several Israelites that don’t play a part in this study. The passages that mention “Michael” that we are concerned with are Daniel 10:13, “But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.” 10:21, "But I will show thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince." 12:1 “And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people:”. Here’s another title by which He is called sometimes…”Prince”.
Michael is mentioned more in Daniel than in any other book in Scripture. In all three references, He is called a prince-your prince and the great prince. Isaiah's prophecy about the Messiah (Isaiah 9:6) reveals one of the key names he says that would apply to the Messiah is "Prince of Peace." There is another verse in Daniel 8:25 where the "Prince of princes" is mentioned. So Michael is the Prince, the Messiah is the prince. These passages describe Jesus. Acts 3:14, 15: "But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and … killed the Prince of life." Here are other passages that call Jesus “Prince”. Acts 5:30, 31: "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour."
Revelation 1:5: "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth."
These verses clearly echo with three verses in Daniel in which Michael is called a "prince."
Michael is mentioned in Revelation 12:7 “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,” and in Jude verse 9 “Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.” where He is referred to as “Michael the Archangel”.
This brings us to the passages referring to the “Archangel” and His duties. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 says "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first." It is the voice of the archangel that raises the dead in Christ, and the Lord Himself who shouts it. This indicates that they are one and the same. Jesus is the one who shouts with the voice of the archangel, or "greatest messenger," to raise the dead!”
In conclusion, we see this majestic and mysterious being, sometimes called Michael, sometimes the angel of the Lord, sometimes the commander of the Lord’s army, veiling His divinity and appearing in the form of a humble angel. Yet this same enigmatic being has the power, authority and attributes that belong only to God. He evicts the devil from heaven; He resurrects the dead; He intercedes for the saints; He judges and then stands, launching the great time of trouble. He redeems the saints and receives their worship. He offers us a new name. I don’t believe the understanding of Michael the Archangel is an issue affecting one’s salvation but it helps us understand the nature of Christ.
So, what do you think? I hope this is helpful. Blessings as you study God’s Word
You rambled on for quite a bit Michael is an Angel a created being and Jesus is not he's the human form of God plain and simple get good it's important to get this right!
@@amadorcortinas2749 You are right, it was and is a lot of information and I did the best I could. Sorry if it's difficult to follow, and yes it is important to understand. When we think of angels we think of the angelic beings that inhabit heaven and that serve God there and here on earth. There are angels mentioned in the gospels, Luke 2, Daniel 9, Isaiah 6 to mention just a few. While we think of these created beings when we think of angels the definition of the word "angel" is "messenger". Did Jesus bring a message? The greatest message ever delivered an a matter of fact. The message of the gospel, the good news of salvation through His atonement on the cross. I never said Jesus was a created being. He is not. He is Almighty God. One of his roles was to bring the message of salvation to humanity, the role of messenger, or angel. Another of His roles is "The Lamb of God" (John 1:29). Does that mean He is a lamb? Or is it symbolic of one of the roles He performed in our behalf? When Moses approached the burning bush in Exodus what was he reqired to do? To remove his shoes because he was standing on holy ground. Why was the ground holy? Because the Lord was present. In Joshua 5:13-15 Joshua sees "a man" who calls Himself "the captain of the host of the lord" Joshua fell on his face and worshipped Him and was told to remove his shoes because he was on holy ground. It is significant that Joshua "worshipped" this being. John was admonished twice in the book of Revelation, 19:10 & 22:9, when he knelt to worship at the feet of angels. "See thou do it not" he was told. He was to worship God only. So the "man" the captain of th host of the Lord" was God. Yet he was described as a man and a captain. Was he God or a man? Was it a description of one of the roles performed by Jesus? The description "Captain of the host of the Lord is significant also. The Archangel os defined as the lead angel or the captain of the angels
Who's the leader of the angels? Jesus is. More later if you are interested. My phone's out of juice. Let me know your thoughts. Blessings.
@@williamstroud1455 I respect your thoughts and opinions my brother but I just don't believe Jesus is Michael because Jesus is the leader of the Angels and that includes Michael they're not the same being!
@@amadorcortinas2749 In my opinion the correct understanding of Michael the Archangel is not something that will affect one's salvation. But some things we definitely need to know the truth about. For example...the 10 Commandments, are they valid today or no? What do you think?
@@williamstroud1455 I think they are because our law's today are based on them!
I'm not a JW and I unappologetically believe that Jesus is truly God. He is clearly not the Father,, since the Father is invisible as already highlighted in the comments above. The Father is an undetectable Spirit that none of us are ever likely to see or even hear. His voice has always been indirectly spoken to us by Cherubim. Jesus is the only God we get to hug. However, I'm beginning to warm up to the view that Michael can be a manifestation of Jesus. For instance, Michael is never referred to as an "angel", but rather "the archangel" (Jud 1:9), our prince (Dan 10:21), or "the great prince" (Dan 12:1). He is also "one of the chief princes" (Dan 10:13), which I deduce to be one of the seven horns of the Lamb of God (Rev 5:6 KJV And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.)
Strictly speaking therefore, Michael can escape being numbered as a mere angel within scripture, and thus doesn't have to share their subservient status. Of course that doesn't make him Jesus, but he begins to fit into that role rather well as captain of the Lords host. The other scripture that troubled me for sometime until I pondered this unorthodox perspective is Zec 3:2 KJV And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee...
From this verse, Jehovah calls upon Jehovah to rebuke Satan. That makes perfect sense to me if the first Jehovah is a limited (creature) version of the second. Michael is a good candidate here.
The following is a presentation I heard September 30, 2023 which explains better than any presentation I've ever heard of why Jesus is Michael. Jesus is not an angel. Archangel means He is "over the angels". Start video at around time stamp 4:23 to listen to the beginning of the presentation. I pray others are blessed by it. On TH-cam, look up "The Mystery of Michael the Archangel", by Doug Batchelor if link doesn't work in the comments. It was posted September 30, 2023. He goes into what the original Greek and Hebrew words mean.
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Please permit me to share our reasoning on this issue.
Michael is called “THE” Archangel. The term occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural. This suggest that there is only “one” with such a title.
The prefix 'Arch', means Chief or Principle. Keeping in mind that angels ARE Spirit Beings, the Hebrew word for angel (mal-'akh') and the Greek word for angel (ag'ge·los), simply means “messenger.” It describes what they DO. Similarly, our English word “angel” is a title that describes the role these Spirit Beings play-they’re God’s “messengers.” That is the way THE ARCHangel serves God, as his Chief Messenger; chief over all other “messengers/angels” in the heavens. Indicating this, Rev. 12:7 says, ". . . war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and “HIS” angels battled with the dragon and its angels . . ."
Now, this is the point. Aside from Jesus’ Father, only one other Divine Being is spoken of as having angels under subjection-namely, Jesus. 1 Pet.3:22 states, "He (Jesus) is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and “angels” and authorities and powers were made subject to “HIM," not some other heavenly spirit being. (Note: Wicked angels came under the “Rulership” of Satan, not Michael-Matt 12:24; Lu 11:15; compare 2Cor 4:3,4)
So, in referring to Jesus as “Michael the Archangel,” what we are in fact saying is that before he came to earth and upon his return to heaven, Jesus has, as one of his many heavenly name-titles-Michael the (Chief) Arch (Messenger) angel of God. [Two comparison scriptures you may find interesting: Ex 14:19,20a and 1Cor 10:1-4]
Both names-Michael (meaning "Who Is Like God?") and Jesus (meaning "Jehovah Is Salvation") -focus attention on his role as the Leading Advocate (The Word) of God. (“The Word” being another one of his titles; he speaks for God, hence he’s a Messenger)
Though many people feel it's demeaning to refer to Jesus as Michael the Archangel, it must be acknowledged that Jesus left his position in heaven to become a 'human'. . . a status exceedingly lower than angels, and at no time did he consider it demeaning or beneath him. -Php.2:6,7; Heb.2:7,9. It was, in fact, yet another role he fulfilled as Chief Messenger in his Father’s eternal purpose-The Messiah.
@@tobeornottobe50 I appreciate your detailed response. Not skinny at all😅. It presents a good argument that Jesus is the Archangel Michael. You therefore now need to prove beyond any reasonable doubt, that Michael cannot be God in any sense whatsoever. Only then does your position concerning Jesus not being God, stand firm. If there is room for any doubt at all, then your holding onto a leaking dogma
@@markwaki3950 Jesus, aka Michael the “Chief Messenger” of God, is a created Divine Spirit Being. "These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God." (Rev 3:14) “I live because of the Father" (John 6:57) “I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.” (John 20:17). “…the head of the Christ is God.” (1Cor 11:3). God of course has always existed.
By the way, here is how Zechariah 3:2 actually reads in the original Hebrew.
וַיַּרְאֵ֗נִי אֶת־יְהוֹשֻׁ֙עַ֙ הַכֹּהֵ֣ן הַגָּד֔וֹל עֹמֵ֕ד לִפְנֵ֖י מַלְאַ֣ךְ יְהֹוָ֑ה וְהַשָּׂטָ֛ן עֹמֵ֥ד עַל־יְמִינ֖וֹ לְשִׂטְנֽוֹ׃
I was further shown Joshua, the high priest, standing before the angel of GOD, and the Accuser standing at his right to accuse him.
וַיֹּ֨אמֶר יְהֹוָ֜ה אֶל־הַשָּׂטָ֗ן יִגְעַ֨ר יְהֹוָ֤ה בְּךָ֙ הַשָּׂטָ֔ן וְיִגְעַ֤ר יְהֹוָה֙ בְּךָ֔ הַבֹּחֵ֖ר בִּירֽוּשָׁלָ֑͏ִם הֲל֧וֹא זֶ֦ה א֖וּד מֻצָּ֥ל מֵאֵֽשׁ׃
But [the angel of] GOD said to the Accuser, “GOD rebukes you, O Accuser; GOD who has chosen Jerusalem rebukes you! For this is a brand plucked from the fire.”
All those other translations are not true to the original Hebrew. That’s why they don’t make any sense.
Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the MESSIAH THE PRINCE shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Messiah = The Prince
Messiah = Jesus
Jesus = The Prince
Dan 10:21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but MICHAEL YOUR PRINCE.
Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall MICHAEL stand up, THE GREAT PRINCE which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Act 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a PRINCE and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Then therefore:
Michael = The Great Prince
Messiah = The Prince
Messiah = Jesus
Michael = Jesus
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A BIBLE SCHOLAR TO UNDERSTAND, VERY SIMPLE LOGIC AND WISDOM ...
Michael.
(Daniel 10:21) However, I will tell you the things recorded in the writings of truth. There is no one strongly supporting me in these things but Miʹcha·el, your prince.
(Daniel 12:1) “During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book.
(Revelation 12:7) And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled
Jesus.
(Matthew 23:10) Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ.
(Romans 8:34) Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that, the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
(Revelation 19:14-16) Also, the armies in heaven were following him on white horses, and they were clothed in white, clean, fine linen. 15 And out of his mouth protrudes a sharp, long sword with which to strike the nations, and he will shepherd them with a rod of iron. Moreover, he treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his outer garment, yes, on his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.
(1 Thessalonians 4:16) because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.
Both Michael and Jesus are used by God to achieve his ONE PURPOSE.
Logically, they must refer to one and the same individual.
Jesus confirms that he is Michael when he connected what Michael will do as promised at Daniel 12:1 with what he will do.
(Matthew 24:30) Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Daniel 12:1 DISTRESS to those on earth.
Matthew 24:30 GRIEF to those on earth.
General Jesus says “my men and I will attack tomorrow and demolish them.”
One of the of Lieutenants, Lt. Michael says “my men and I will attack tomorrow and destroy them.”
Now, are these the same people based on the information, or do they hold two positions in the same event?
You’ll take a few verses out of context and come to a leap that an angel names Michael and the Devine Son of God are same being. But if all the several hundred locations where it teaches Jesus is God, nope, definitely not true.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry : How many leaders of the good angels are there?
One or two?
Revelation 12:7 Michael and his angels
Matthew 16:27 Jesus and his angels.
Stay with what the Bible clearing teaches. Safer!
@@tongakhan230 Revelation 12:7 Michael and his angels
Matthew 16:27 Jesus and his angels.
Psalm 91:11 Jehovah and his angels.
By your logic, Jehovah is an angel.
Question: According to Daniel 10:13, is Michael "THE foremost prince" ("ruler" or "commander") or "ONE of the foremost princes"?
@@kevinfromcanada4379 : Still flogging a dead horse.
I've noticed one's diversion tactics and avoidance in answering questions posed by others.
Still, here goes.
(Psalm 91:11) For he will give his angels a command concerning you, To guard you in all your ways.
Notice the difference? God COMMANDS his angels to do this and that.
He DOESN'T LEAD them into a battle.
Michael and Jesus LEAD the angels into battle.
Because both lead the angels into battle they must be on the SAME FOOTING. (Taking the idea that Jesus is not Michael).
That means Jesus IS EQUAL IN STATUS TO Michael.
God is NO ONE'S EQUAL.
Isaiah 46:5 To whom will you liken me (Jehovah) or make me equal or compare me, So that we should resemble each other?
Why is one looking for ways to avoid the TRUTH?
Who is fooling whom?
@@tongakhan230 You didn't answer my question:
According to Daniel 10:13, is Michael "THE foremost prince" ("ruler" or "commander") or "ONE of the foremost princes"?
Yall are high 😂
But Michael means “one like God” and Jesus is the only one that’s like God
Jesus isn’t like God, he is God.
He’s the son of God
@@LightoverDarkMinistry he sooo GOD that he clearly tells you in the Bible not worship him but to worship his father
@@kassandradiaz7091 Even though the Bible calls him God?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry little G
Believing Jesus is Michael the Archangel takes away power to be an Overcomer in this world and apply the gifts of Holy Spirit in this world system… JW’s by pass Jesus’s Atonement of Calvary’s Cross of Christ Jesus’s power of Grace to approach YAHWEH’s Throne … it’s like saying step aside Jesus you’re just an Angel I don’t need you I am going straight to the source and approach His Throne on my own… sorry that short cut don’t fly… Yeshua Jesus is the one and only Mediator for all man kind and not just for the 144,000 … The Governing Body is NOT the Mediator between GOD and man… Jesus died physically besides spirituality…
What was the reason why God had to send his son? Galatians 4:4.
Here is a clue.
(1 Corinthians 15:22) For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive.
(Exodus 21:23) But if a fatality does occur, then you must give life for life,
Let me know if help is needed.
😢SO many People deceived.Jesus Christ is the Son Of God 👑
As Jesus would not be anointed to the throne of YHWH prior to earth, we have no reason whatsoever to conclude that He was not part of a group
Likewise and as the Old Testament often presents a heavenly class in pursuit of divine interventions, the conclusion is most likely, that Jesus was part of a group or class
And finally, your proposed reasoning for Satan's Creator is flawed - Jesus was not Satan's Father, but moreso, his brother, in that they both shared the same Father.
And moreso, that the creation carried-out by Jesus, was not of His own will, but that of His Father - just as it is written
PS, the fundamental platform for your argument is based on the faulty premise that Jesus was King before being made King by His Father
'The LORD rebuke you' (Jude 9). The LORD cannot refer to Jesus as Jesus was only used by God in the First Century as his SPOKESPERSON. Hebrews 1:2.
Zechariah 3:2 Then the angel of Jehovah said to Satan: “May Jehovah rebuke you, O Satan, yes, may Jehovah, who has chosen Jerusalem, rebuke you! Is not this one a burning log snatched out of the fire?”
Term matching is an extreme form of making things support some belief.
JW'S NEED A NEW LIGHT
Jesus is the express image of The Father so that doesn’t make Him an Angel … just dialoguing
It does he is an angel
WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY THAT MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL IS JESUS. WORD FOR WORD. Sola Scriptura
Well, you see . . . it’s very much like how the word “trinity” is nowhere to be found in the Scriptures, yet people believe in it. They say that the “concept” or idea is taught in Scripture. It’s somewhat similar to that perspective. This is our understanding on it:
Michael is called “THE” Archangel (the term occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural). This suggest that there is only One such angel. The Greek prefix 'Arch', means Chief or Principle.
Keeping in mind that angels are spirit beings, the Hebrew word for angel (mal-'akh') and the Greek word for angel (ag'ge·los), simply means “messenger.” It describes what they DO. Similarly, our English word “angel” is a Title that describes the role these spirit beings play-they’re God’s “messengers.” That is the way THE ARCHangel serves God, as his Chief Messenger; chief over all other “messengers” (angels) in the heavens. Indicating this, Rev. 12:7 says, ". . . war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and “HIS angels" battled with the dragon and its angels . . ."
Now, this is the point. Aside from Jesus’ Father, only one other heavenly Being is spoken of as having angels under subjection as Revelation stated above-namely, Jesus. 1 Pet.3:22 states, "He (Jesus) is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and “angels” and authorities and powers were made subject to HIM," not some other angelic heavenly being. (Note: Wicked angels came under the “Rulership” of Satan, not Michael-Matthew 12:24; Luke 11:15; compare 2Cor 4:3,4)
So, in referring to Jesus as “Michael the Archangel,” what we are in fact saying is that before he came to earth and upon his return to heaven, Jesus has, as one of his MANY heavenly name/titles-Michael the Chief Messenger (Archangel) of God. [Two comparison scriptures you may find interesting: Ex 14:19,20a and 1Cor 10:1-4]
Both names-Michael (meaning "Who Is Like God?") and Jesus (meaning "Jehovah Is Salvation") -focus attention on his role as the Leading Advocate (The Word) of God. (“The Word” being another one of his heavenly titles; he speaks for God)
Too, 1Thess 4:16 says that when “the Lord descends with his commanding call, with an archangel’s voice, then those who are dead in union with him will rise…” At John 5:21,25 Jesus tells us that the dead will, “hear the voice of THE SON OF GOD: and they that hear shall live.” (KJ) God has assigned Jesus to raise the dead, not some other heavenly Being. (Jo 11:25)
Finally, though many may feel it's demeaning to refer to Jesus as the Chief Messenger Michael, it must be acknowledged that he left his position in heaven, bore the name Jesus and became a 'human'. . . a status decidedly lower than angels, and at no time did he consider it demeaning or beneath him. -Php.2:6,7; Heb.2:7,9 (Messiah being another one of his titles/role)
@@tobeornottobe50 It is all about interpretations, that is why the are so many different Christian churches. TRANSLATIONS AND INTERPRETATIONS
@@mil-ns3rc True. This is why it’s critically important that we let the Scriptures interpret themselves. In truth, that requires a fairly decent knowledge of God’s Word. You know a book you may enjoy adding to your religious library? “Truth in Translation,” by Jason D. BeDuhn. He did an analysis of the NT of nine of our current Bible translations. With his background in the study of koine Greek, it’s a fabulous read and eye opening.
THANK GOD IM CATHOLIC
Just respectfully asking. Which God is someone thanking?
@@jimjuri6490 Jesus
WELL JESUS IS MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL
The Biblical Facts Jesus Is Not GOD Or An Angel, Or Pre-existed His flesh!
In the beginning was GOD's word, not GOD's Son, John 1:1, Genesis 1: 3 And God said.
Jesus is The (Word of GOD), not GOD the Word.
GOD did not become flesh, the Word of GOD became flesh.
If Jesus were Michael the Archangel, John 1:14 would say: and Michael the Archangel became flesh.
If Jesus were GOD the Father, John 1:14 would say: And GOD the Father became flesh.
The True Jesus was foreknown, not Pre-existing, 1 Peter 1:20.
Nowhere in the whole Bible does it say Jesus was going ''BACK'' or ''RETURNING'' to the Father. John 13:3,John 16:28.
In the beginning GOD spoke through the prophets, not through the Son Hebrews 1:1.
GOD spoke through His SON in the last days, not in the beginning of days Hebrews 1:2.
GOD The Son cannot be the SON of GOD, because The Son would instead be the Son of Himself.
GOD gave His SON, not Himself. John 3:16.
If the Father were the SON, why would the Father need to come as the SON?
Why would we need a Mediator to get to GOD, if Jesus were already GOD?
No one has ever seen GOD at any time, John 1:1, 1 John 4:12, contrary to the fact that Jesus has been seen thousands of times.
Jesus has a GOD, so Jesus cant be that GOD.
Humans and Angels must not worship Angels, proving Jesus was not an Angel. Revelation 22:9.
The Only Begotten Son was Begotten, GOD is not Begotten, but always was.
The true Jesus was BORN from GOD, not from eternity.
Jesus is The (Son of Man), GOD is not a Son of man Numbers 23:19
Jesus must be a MAN and not GOD, to be a Mediator between GOD and Man.
Jesus is the second and last perfect Adam, so as Adam did not pre-exist, nor did the second, and last perfect Adam.
Jesus freely gave His life, which would not be possible if Jesus were GOD.
Jesus is never called The Almighty GOD, but the SON of the Almighty GOD, John 10:36.
The Almighty GOD never ever said He was the Son, just as the Son never ever said He was GOD.
Jesus said He could do nothing on His own proving He was not Almighty GOD.
Jesus will hand over the world back to GOD, but should be back to Himself if Jesus were already GOD.
GOD is ONE person, that's why GOD is called The ''ONE TRUE GOD'' John 17:3.
THREE separate persons who are each GOD, makes THREE GODS, and not One GOD.
Nowhere in the Word of GOD does it say GOD is THREE persons.
In John 14:11 Jesus tells us He is "IN" the Father and the Father is ''IN'' Him. If Jesus were GOD that would make TWO GODS.
Nowhere in the Word of GOD does it say the Holy Spirit is a separate person.
There is no separate Holy Spirit in John 1:1, or John 10:30, or on GOD's throne, or anywhere in the whole Bible.
Nowhere in the Word of GOD does it say Jesus is the creator.
Nowhere in the Word of GOD does it say Jesus was GOD and a MAN, or had two natures.
A Pre-existing Jesus could not be The True Christ, because The True Christ came into existence in the women's womb as The Son of MAN.
Christ never means I AM GOD, but means (The anointed one of GOD).
In John 8:58 Jesus said: (I am). NOT I Existed.
John 8:58, (I am) means (I am the one), as seen in John 4:6. NOT I AM GOD, or ALIVE before being born.
Notice how Jesus tells us in John 8:56 Abraham your father rejoiced in that he should see My day--and he saw it and rejoiced."
Did you notice how nothing was said by Jesus saying He was ALIVE and saw Abraham, which should be the case if Jesus meant what most believe that Jesus was GOD or ALIVE with GOD before He was Begotten?
Thanks to GOD through Christ!
Because of GOD, Jesus will live for eternity, proving Jesus is not GOD.
Because of Jesus, we can come to know the One True GOD and father of creation.
Because of Jesus, the saved will live for eternity, so lets thank GOD for Jesus, for eternity.
What GOD and Christ do you know?
Loved to talk to you. Email me please
The one God (YHWH) subsists simultaneously in three distinct substances: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
When you realize this fact, much of your objections melt away.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Hello how can I help you dear friend?
@@kevinfromcanada4379 Do you BELIEVE what the Bible teaches? *Please then send the verse saying GOD IS THREE called the CATHOLIC PAGAN TRINITY?*
As YOU do NOT believe GOD and His Son who ALWAYS declared GOD is ONE PERSON, how will you be SAVED, for BREAKING the FIRST commandment in Mark 12:29, that says we MUST believe GOD is ONE PERSON?
ONE GOD.
Christianity, having emerged from Judaism, is a monotheistic religion. Never in the New Testament does the Trinitarian concept become a "tritheism" (three Gods) nor even two. God is one, and that God is a single being is strongly declared in the Bible:
The Shema of the Hebrew Scriptures: Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God. Yahweh is ONE.
[Deut 6:4]
The first of the Ten Commandments-"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."[5:7]
And "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel and his redeemer the LORD of hosts: I am the first and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."[Isa 44:6]
In the New Testament: "The LORD our God is one."[Mk 12:29]
Scripture contains neither the word Trinity, nor an expressly formulated doctrine of the Trinity. Rather, according to the Christian theology, it “bears witness to” the activity of: THE GOD.
Antichrists deny the Father and the son.
AND THE TRINITY DOCTRINE DENIES A LITERAL FATHER AND SON. Instead, the Father and the Son are the same, co-equal, same everything, and each fully God while comprising one God.
This is how you are deceived into denying the Father and the Son.
“Such a person is the antichrist-denying the Father and the Son” - John. Part 01 -
Further, God clearly shows us what it is to be a Father and to have a son. We are without excuse for denying the Father and the Son.
The Trinity Doctrine
But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, AND ONLY A FEW FIND IT.…Matthew 7:12 -14.
TRINITARIANS, FOLLOW the Catholic MAIN trinity doctrine they created.
The New Bible Dictionary, 2nd edition by J.D. Douglas, page 1221, admits that the doctrine of the trinity does not come from the Scriptures, but from philosophy influenced by paganism.
The Encyclopedia Britannica, Micropedia Volume 11, page 928, gives us the following facts about the trinity.
Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Hebrew Scriptures: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord” (Deuteronomy 6:4).
The Religions of Ancient Greece and Babylonia, by A. H. Sayce. pages 229-230, clearly tells us that the Greek philosophical ideas were developed in Alexandria, Egypt from the pagan mystery religions.
List of Catholic Doctrines.
1. TRINITY --- “The mystery (see Rev. 17:5) of the Trinity is the central doctrine of the catholic church
IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.’” MATTHEW 15:9.
The Cathecism of the Catholic Church admits the Church (not the Bible) had to come up with terms of "philosophical" (pagan/Greek) origin to explain it::
251 In order to articulate the dogma of the Trinity, the Church had to develop its own terminology with the help of certain notions of philosophical origin: "substance," "person," or "hypostasis," "relation" and so on (Catechism of the Catholic Church. Imprimatur Potest +Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger. Doubleday, NY 1995, p. 74).
Here is what it is recorded that a one-time Catholic bishop named Marcellus of Ancyra wrote, around the middle of the fourth century, where certain aspects of trinitarianism came from--paganism:
Now with the heresy of the Ariomaniacs, which has corrupted the Church of God...These then teach three hypostases, just as Valentinus the heresiarch first invented in the book entitled by him 'On the Three Natures'. For he was the first to invent three hypostases and three persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and he is discovered to have filched this from Hermes and Plato (Source: Logan A. Marcellus of Ancyra (Pseudo-Anthimus), 'On the Holy Church': Text, Translation and Commentary. Verses 8-9. Journal of Theological Studies, NS, Volume 51, Pt. 1, April 2000, p.95 ).
Dean Matthews, DD, D. Litt.:
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• “It must be admitted by everyone who has the rudiments of an historical sense that the doctrine of the Trinity formed no part of the original message. St. Paul did not know it, and would have been unable to understand the meaning of the terms used in the theological formula on which the Church ultimately agreed” (God in Christian Experience, p. 180).
“The evolution of the Trinity: No responsible NT scholar would claim that the doctrine of the Trinity was taught by Jesus or preached by the earliest Christians or consciously held by any writer of the NT. It was in fact slowly worked out in the course of the first few centuries in an attempt to give an intelligible doctrine of God” (The Image of the Invisible God, SCM Press, 1982, Dr. A. T Hanson, Professor of Theology University of Hull)
• It might tend to moderation and in the end agreement, if we were industrious on all occasions to represent our own doctrine (the Trinity) as wholly unintelligible (Dr. Hey, Lectures in Divinity, 2, 235
• The Trinity is a contradiction, indeed, and not merely a verbal contradiction, but an incompatibility in the human ideas conveyed. We can scarcely make a nearer approach to an exact enunciation of it, than of saying that one thing is two things. (Sadler’s Gloria Patri, p. 39, A. H. Newman).
Jesus said: Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand! Matthew 11:15.
Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the SON of God? 1 John 5:5.
There are NO such teaching saying we MUST BELIEVE Jesus is GOD or A TRINITY, but as St john has said: but he that believeth that JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD? 1 John 5:5.
Notice we MUST believe Jesus is THE SON OF GOD 1 John 5:5.
And yet MOST have been DECEIVED into believing the CATHOLIC doctrine that Jesus the Son of His GOD, is instead the SAME GOD He was BORN from, which makes GOD and His SON into LIARS, who have always declared they are a LITERAL Father and SON, and that GOD amazingly GAVE and SENT His SON, who BOTH have never taught, GOD GAVE HIMSELF, as a sacrifice for the sins of the world, but that GOD gave His BEGOTTEN SON Jesus, NOT to condemn us, but save us by GODS own Son PAYING THE PRICE FOR OUR SINS.
And as Jesus has said: ETERNAL LIFE is believing His Father GOD, is the only ONE TRUE GOD, alone. John 17:3. *Which is the FIRST commandment one MUST believe, that GOD IS one person, NOT THREE CALLED THE CATHOLIC PAGAN TRINITY, Mark 12:29.
It was shown to you so that you might know that Yahweh is God. There is no one else besides him. Deuteronomy 4:35.
This ONE single scripture of Deuteronomy 4:35, PROVES the TRINITY is false, because the TRINITY teaches there are THREE persons who are EACH GOD, SIDE by SIDE, and not ONE GOD ALONE!
When we see the massive deception of the TRINITY faith, it is of no surprise why Jesus said: MANY ARE CALLED, BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN
How did I define God?
That verse proves Jesus is Michael the Archangel.The meaning of Archangel is Chief or leader. There is only ONE archangel in the whole bible and that is Michael. God's people know who God is.
Christ is the angel of God's presence Isaiah 63:9 KJV
Michael is the prince of Israel in the Bible. Jesus is the LORD OR LORD LS…
Any scripture to show this? Please!
Jesus is Michael
Michael can't be Jesus, but he can be Adam, the father of all mankind. That's what I was taught.
Adam lived on earth and died and returned to the elements of the ground (Genesis 3:19).
Jesus, a son of God, was SENT by God from heaven. Galatians 4:4.
Jesus however, is likened to Adam (1 Corinthians15:22).
BOTH are sons of God by virtue of God creating them into existence.
Adam is dead. Jesus, an angel, is alive.
Hope this clears up any confusion.
BIBLE TRUTH
1 "Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God"
2. "Three persons one God'
3. "Jesus said that he's going to raise himself from the dead"
4. "Three internal persons"
5. "Jesus is equal with Jehovah"
6. "Shares Jehovah's Glory"
7. "Jesus is God"
8. "Jesus is the Creator"
9 "Everything God was the word was"
*Nowhere in the Bible does it state these expressions used by Jeff and the commentator listed above 1. through .9
CHALLENGE - show me scriptures to all these expressions and words listed above. It Doesn't exist, you would not be able to find it.
Trinitarians use a lot of counterfeit expressions and words not mentioned in any Bible. God incarnate, God in the flesh, god man, Christmas and Easter etc. These tiles or expressions sounds like something religious or in the Bible but it doesn't exist. This was prophesied about by the apostle Peter. Preaching counterfeit words 2 Peter 2:3
At John 1:1 'in the beginning was the word". Trinitarians say in Greek, it is embedded in this text that it means the farthest in the past. This is incorrect, there is no Greek word listed at John 1:1 that ties in*forever in the past" in meaning. In reality Arch", Greek word it's used in a normal vernacular as we use it in our vernacular in English meaning the Chief or leader. There is no connotation or text permission to such thought of "farthest in the past" at John 1:1. Jehovah doesn't have a beginning. So the question is, what are they talking about, beginning" it is something for you to review. I could explain the beginning but that's another story.
Trinitarians believe that Jesus Christ and Jehovah is a Mighty God, so, therefore, the same person, really?
Mighty God,(El Gibbor) is a relative word. Other words, it can be applied to any person or thing. Example, the mighty mountains, mighty Angels, mighty Sea, mighty warriors etc. In definition only - Jehovah's mighty meaning with great power, great strength or much responsibility. The demarcation between Jehovah and Jesus is the word "Almighty" God. You would never find this title attached to Jesus Christ. This is an absolute word since it can only be applied to Jehovah God. Almighty is supreme the highest in power and authority. Exodus 6: 3 Genesis 6:4 Revelation 19:18
2 Thessalonians 1:7 2 Kings 24:14
Trinitarian state, Jesus is claiming to be God in relation to John 8: Here at John 8: 56 to 59 Jesus is not identifying himself as God the "I AM" of Exodus 3: 14 based upon the discussion that was going on between Jesus and the Jews. They were not talking about IDENTITY but they were talking about TIME. How so?
John 8:57 the Jews said to Jesus "you're not even 50 and yet you seen Abraham"? This is why the Jews wanted to Stone Jesus because he's not even 50 and yet he's saying he saw Abraham which would make him hundreds and hundreds of years old. Get it?
The King James version, the vernacular is sometimes ambiguous, it's difficult for the scripture to be understood properly. Here's a few Bible translations that will help you get the correct understanding of John 8:56 to 59
Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been" -New world translation of the Holy scriptures 2023
1935: “I existed before Abraham was born!” The Bible-An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed
1869: “From before Abraham was, I have been.” The New Testament, by G. R. Noyes
Straight to the point. Jesus is the son of God in a normal manner. If you take a look at Isaiah 9:6, it's latter portion. It mentions that Jesus will have a PRINCELY rule. Emphasizing on PRINCE, WE DON'T HAVE TO DEFINE WHAT A PRINCE IS BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW WHAT A PRINCE IS. JEHOVAH, OUR GRAND CREATOR is not a PRINCE. The only existing beings in the heavens referred to as a prince are angels, and that's inclusive of Jesus Christ.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 Daniel 10:13
Therefore, Jesus is a king and a prince or King angel. So do the Bible ever mentions a king angel? Yes! Turn over to Revelation chapter 9 verse 11. This is no other than, Jesus Christ. Hear this angel is a king at the same time!!! Jesus said, at Matthew 28: 18 "all authority has been given me in heaven and earth"and that would include the abyss. Genesis 3:15 the first prophecy uttered says that Jesus will crush the head of Satan, ultimately killing him. At Revelation 9:11 it gives the angel of the abyss two other names ABADDON, Hebrew for destruction and A·polʹlyon, Greek for destroyer. The demons know that Jesus will soon destroy them. Mark 124 Some religions teach that the angel of the abyss is Satan. Really? Turn over to Revelation chapter 20: 1-3 Emphasizing on a KEY that was given to the angel of the abyss here's the key again and this Angel which is Jesus Christ is chaining Satan and throwing him into the abyss. The demons know that Jesus has the authority even over the abyss Matthew 8:31
Trinity has been shown to be fraudulent and it acquired its start at the council of nicea of 325 A.D it's full blown version at the Constantinople meeting of 381 A.D. the decision made at the Constantinople meeting, were they correct? According to the bible, absolutely not. Frankly, at Isaiah 40:25 the Bible States Jehovah God doesn't have an equal. So if God doesn't have an equal, how could he be Trinity? Also, first John 3:2 the Bible States that even the apostles didn't know what God's elaborated form was. The elaborated detail of God's form, his Spirit body is not granted for us humans to know. This scripture above is mentioning that once a person dies and is granted access to heaven and appears before God's person, then he will come to know the elaborated form of God. He has granted us that he is a spirit John 4:24
BIBLE TRUTH
Jehovah God is not a trinity in any variation. He doesn't have an equal Isaiah 40:25. Nor is he three and yet one Deuteronomy 6:4 Besides, Jehovah says at Isaiah 46:9, 10 ' I am God and there is no one else, I am God and there is no one like me and I will do whatever I please". In contrast, Jesus says "I cannot do whatever I please"and you wonder why? Just as it is with other angels and humans, we cannot do whatever we want to. Not even demons can do whatever they want to. Jehovah, our grand creator is the ultimate in authority that we all will answer to. Romans 9:28 Jesus is the son of God in a normal manner. Matthew 16:16,17 At Isaiah 9:6 in the latter portion he will have a PRINCELY rule. Since he is a king he will also be a PRINCE a king prince or a king angel. Angels are sometimes referred to as a prince Daniel 10:13. Jehovah God is never called a prince in this sense and we know what a prince is, it needn't be defined. Isaiah 9:6 states that Jesus will be a king, as well as, he will have a princely rule. He then is a king Prince or King angel. Does the bible ever mention of a king angel? Yes!!! at Revelation 9: 11 the Bible talks about the king Angel of the abyss, this is Jesus Christ. Revelation 20: 1-3 3 He also has two other names mentioned in this text which means in essence a destroyer or destruction. The first prophecy Genesis 3:15 Jesus will soon crush the head of Satan the devil destroying him. And so this Angel of the abyss is given these names meaning he is designated to soon destroy Satan. Since Genesis 3:15 says Jesus will kill Satan, do it make sense an angel will do it? Jesus is the Angel of the abyss. It is up to you to be humble and accept what God is telling you this day. For the Bible and it's truth can remove deeply false entrenched things. 2 Corinthians 10:4 simply put, the story of Abraham and Isaac foreshadows the reality above. Jehovah, our grand creator, is the greater Abraham. Jesus, our appointed King by jehovah, is the greater Isaac. No more no less. It was a great sacrifice that the almighty sent his first born son Jesus other known as Michael to the Earth that through him him we have the hope of everlasting life. The sacrifice of his dear son was the greatest pain the almighty have ever experienced that Satan inflicted. Satan would love to destroy his chief enemy, which is Jehovah God, but he can't. So he does the next best thing for himself, he hurts those whom God loves, therefore, he hurts God. Get it? And as long as people believe in Trinity. Satan hides this greatest act of love of God; that he sacrificed his only begotten son for us. John 3:16
.So this is what Jehovah has said get up and get out of the mist of her if you do not want to receive the plague that is destined to come upon her, false religion
2 Corinthians 6:17
Thanks for the comment Mitch, just one question, are you a Jehovah’s Witness?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry yes I AM
@@MitchJenkins-uv7lj You seem to know a lot about the Bible, and I honestly don't want to misrepresent someone's faith, but especially never present something that isn't scriptural. I think you I would agree, that whatever God has revealed about himself, is found in the Bible, and we need to get that right, otherwise we could be worshiping a false God. I would love to have a conversation with you to understand your position. Can you email me, and we'll go from there. Lightoverdarkministry@gmail.com
Michael is Jesus.. not hard to prove and makes the most sense in God's logic..
Jesus is the only hope ....
The king of kings and the lord of lords...
He is the lord of every angels...even Michael..
The devil just wants to take us in wrong path
Nope. Cause only one archangel. If there was more then it would be true
Is unbelievable how you use the bible when you want to go against what the Jehovah's witness teach about Michael the archangel. But WHEN YOU HAVE TO " PROVE" your point and the reason why you think he's not...then you do not use the bible to prove your statement.. lmao 🤣😆😂😆
Come again?
I would not listen to people who was JW and leave .satan becomes their god and they talk stupid tings.
Isn't a blessing to know the true identity of Jesus is Michael and that Jehovah sits on his throne commanding angels like Jesus? 😌
Michael is Jesus real name. Michael was sent out from heaven to begin this universe. Michael is not an arch-angel. He is the master of angels. The architect of this universe. Michael came to the earth to experience a human life and complete the connection with God to be able to become One.
Angels are not created in heaven. There are three levels of simulation, heaven, the ghost/angel level, and the material universe. God projects all simulations. Heaven is it's own simulation while the ghost/angel level and the material universe are projected together, in the same area. The first angels were created in the ghost/angel level by Michael and Spirit. The angels then non-sexually reproduced and eventually they went out and began this new universe.
Michael is not a military commander. Think of Him as a royal prince who has all authority in this universe but, just like other royal princes he doesn't get involved in legal affairs. Very high level angels who are essentially lesser gods, called the Ancients of Days, are the judges of the angels. God does not get involved in any of this.
Michael did not say, "The lord rebuke you," to Lucifer. The top angel in this universe, Gabriel, said to Lucifer, "The judge rebuke you," meaning, the Ancients of Days will decide your fate. Lucifer was never on the earth. Lucifer, Satan, the Devil, and Beelzebub are all different angels involved in the rebellion.
Do you proof?
@@misterauctor7353 Yes, but only for real Children of God who have the Spirit of Truth working in them.
What is the meaning of the Parable of the Two Sons? Put it in your own words, one sentence.
Correct in saying Jesus is not Michael the Archangel. Context is everything when understanding God's Words.
But , 'Jesus being God Incarnate' !!
We're you meaning Jesus is God Almighty Incarnate or simply a godlike spirit in the flesh ?
Isaiah 9:6,7
Colossians 1:15 Rev 3:14
Jesus is God almighty incarnate. John 12:41, Heb 1:10-12, John 20:28, 2 Peter 1:1, Rev 22:12-13, Titus 2:13, John 1:1, Acts 20:28, Phil 2:10, col 2:9…
You believe Jesus is a godlike spirit I’m assuming, what’s your opinion on Isaiah 9:6?
My Scriptural opinion is exactly what Isaiah 9:6 says; Jesus, God's Son is blessed with the Titles "Wonderful Councilor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace".
Had Adam not sinned/transgressed he would of rightly been called Mankinds Eternal Father. Nowhere in the DIVINE text do we read of Jesus being the Almighty God, Yehweh, Jehovah,.. Jesus is always referred to as the 'Son of God' NEVER EVER 'God the Son'. Mary is not the Mother of God Almighty. God did not impregnate an imperfect woman with HIMSELF, & allow HIMSELF to be incubated for 9 months, born as a human baby, breastfed, weaned, grow up as a child, baptized as an adult, die & then resurrect HIMSELF. This happened to Jesus, His Precious SON.
Because of Jesus's Faithfulness to HIS FATHER, He now sits at HIS FATHER'S right hand in the Heavens in complete subjection.
That's the Father/Son relationship I'm aware of.
@@ANDY_FUGAZI You think Mighty God, (el Gibbor) isn't calling Jesus YHWH? God is called el Gibbor in the next chapter, Isaiah 10:21.
Also Jesus is called Almighty God, Rev 1:8, and he is referred to as YHWH, Hebrews 1:10, John 12:41, John 8:58, Jeremiah 23:6 and many more.. In Mark, prepare the way for the Lord, we know that's quoting Isaiah 40:3, which says prepare the way for YHWH. John is preparing the way for Jesus, not the Father. This is calling Jesus YHWH.
Consider also, being the Son of God, both the Jews and the apostles understood this to mean equality with God, (John 5:18)
Also, yes God almighty did do this, Phil 2:5-10, John 1:14, Hebrews 4:15, 1 Timothy 3:16, and resurrected himself, John 2:19-22.
The Son sits in subjection, not as inferior, but as mediator. This is the roll of the Son, does not make him any less God. Read Hebrews 1:1-13, and then read Psalm 102:20-25. Notice how the writer applies what only belongs to YHWH to Jesus.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry
Who is Jesus's God according to Revelation 1:6
John 20:17
Alpha and Omega is another title that belongs exclusively to the Almighty God, Yehweh. This title Appears three times in the bible and never applies to Yehweh's Son.
The only other occurrence this title Appears is in Revelation 1:11 but it does not recieve support from some of the oldest Greek Manuscripts, including The Alexandrine. Sinaitic and Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus.
It is, therefore, omitted in many modern translations.
@@ANDY_FUGAZI Who is speaking in Revelation 22:12-13, Jesus. Alpha and Omega just means first and the Last, which is what YHWH calls himself, Isaiah 44:6, yet Jesus again calls himself that also Revelation 1:18.
To respond to your John 20:17, I actually made a video on that. Check it out and let me know what you think.
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No biblical proof that he is Michael or the father. THERE IS PROOF HES OUR SAVIOR SENT BY THE FATHER TO SERVE A SPECIFIC PURPOSE WHICH HE FULFILLED
Paul identifies Jesus with Michael the Archangel at 1 Thessalonians 4:16.
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@@tongakhan230it’s a metaphor, this video already decimated that point.
Thomas calls Jesus God in John 20:28.
@@Sossoholic : Humans address angels SENT by God as God. Please read the accounts in the so called Old Testament.
Were these angels God HIMSELF?
Thomas followed suit after he realized that Jesus was an angel SENT by God.
Did the others present, all fall prone and worship 'God' afraid to look him in the face, lest they perish?
(Exodus 33:20) But he added: “You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.”
The John who wrote the Thomas affair, also wrote,
'No man has SEEN God AT ANY TIME' ( 1 John 4:12,20).
Guess he and the others knew that Jesus was NEVER God. Not at ANY TIME.
The question arises. Which ANGEL did God SEND to become Jesus? The answer is Michael the Archangel. Confirmed by Paul at 1 Thessalonians 4:16.
By Jesus too.
@@tongakhan230 Jesus was NEVER acknowledged as God in the Bible? Have you read it?
John 1:1 and 14
Hebrews 1:3 and 8
Titus 2:10-13
The LORD rebuke you
LORD = YHWH = God his Father
The YHWH rebuke you
Try using an old original Bible to explain this topic. Because your Bible has GOD'S NAME JEHOVAH REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH LORD A TITLE FOR MANY IN THE BIBLE 🙏 AND AFTER WATCHING YOUR VIDEO I BELIEVE MORE NOW THAT JESUS IS MICHAEL 🙏 And use a Dictionary to understand the meaning of Words BEFORE you attempt Debunking 🤞.
VERY MISLEADING 🤞
Are you a Jehovah’s Witness?
@@LightoverDarkMinistryobviously he is 😂
Dead wrong. Isaiah stated that God will raise ONE Shepherd over Israel, and as Gabriel said, this One Shepherd will stand up in behalf of HIS people. Only One person can call Israel "His" and that is The Christ
Jesus final words to John, " I am alpha and omega, but do not worship me i'm your fellow servant like the prophets your brethrens,
That’s a filthy lie and you know it.
Jesus never lies, the false prophet's tri unclean spirits from his mouth gathered the world and the political leaders to raised war against Jehovah and Jesus,, which is called the great days of war between evil force and the truth force,, 1st,John,4:1 /Rev, 16:13-16, read these verses to find out that armageddon is afigurative place where evill forces defeated,
Renato how convenient/ but it’s not true… sorry to disappoint / NWT twisting scripture… New World Translation bible comes from The New World Order (anti-christ) it’s an agenda to bring about The One World Religion/Ecumenical Movement… just dialoguing/BTW if this gets deleted some force don’t want to hear truth… happens every-time… C.T. Russell was a Freemason
Armageddon is not figurative/it’s an actual location in Israel where demonic earthly government forces that wants to take over the world (Revelation) and that comes against GOD’s chosen people and Christians …
Jesus is indeed the archangel Mickael, but it's pointless to talk about that, you would need to know the mystery of God in order to know that fact as a truth, wich you will not be able to know before it's revealed
Then how do you know it?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry That's a secret
@@LightoverDarkMinistry It’s not a secret. This, my friend, is why we believe Jesus has, as one of his heavenly-name titles, Michael the Archangel.
Michael is called “THE” Archangel (the term occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural). This suggest that there is only One such angel. The prefix 'Arch', means Chief or Principle.
Keeping in mind that angels are spirit beings, the Hebrew word for angel (mal-'akh') and the Greek word for angel (ag'ge·los), simply means “messenger.” It describes what they DO. Similarly, our English word “angel” is a “Title” that describes the role these spirit beings play-they’re God’s “messengers.” That is the way THE ARCHangel serves God, as his Chief Messenger; chief over all other “messengers” (angels) in the heavens. Indicating this, Rev. 12:7 says, ". . . war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and “HIS angels" battled with the dragon and its angels . . ."
Now, this is the point. Aside from Jesus’ Father, only one other heavenly Being is spoken of as having angels under subjection as Revelation stated above-namely, Jesus. 1 Pet.3:22 states, "He (Jesus) is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and “angels” and authorities and powers were made subject to HIM," not some other angelic heavenly being. (Note: Wicked angels came under the “Rulership” of Satan, not Michael-Matthew 12:24; Luke 11:15; compare 2Cor 4:3,4)
So, in referring to Jesus as “Michael the Archangel,” what we are in fact saying is that before he came to earth and upon his return to heaven, Jesus has, as one of his MANY heavenly name-titles-Michael the (Chief/Arch) (Messenger/angel) of God. [Two comparison scriptures you may find interesting: Ex 14:19,20a and 1Cor 10:1-4]
Both names-Michael (meaning "Who Is Like God?") and Jesus (meaning "Jehovah Is Salvation") -focus attention on his role as the Leading Advocate (The Word) of God. (“The Word” being another one of his heavenly titles; he speaks for God)
Too, 1Thess 4:16 says that when “the Lord descends with his commanding call, with an archangel’s voice, then those who are dead in union with him will rise…” At John 5:21,25 Jesus tells us that the dead will, “hear the voice of THE SON OF GOD: and they that hear shall live.” (KJ) God has given Jesus the role to raise the dead, not some other heavenly Being. (Jo 11:25)
Finally, though many may feel it's demeaning to refer to Jesus as the Chief Messenger Michael, it must be acknowledged that he left his position in heaven, bore the name Jesus and became a 'human'. . . a status decidedly lower than angels, and at no time did he consider it demeaning or beneath him. -Php.2:6,7; Heb.2:7,9. (Messiah being another one of his titles/role)
@@LightoverDarkMinistry It’s not a secret. This, my friend, is why we believe Jesus has, as one of his heavenly-name titles, Michael the Archangel.
Michael is called “THE” Archangel (the term occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural). This suggest that there is only One such angel. The prefix 'Arch', means Chief or Principle.
Keeping in mind that angels are spirit beings, the Hebrew word for angel (mal-'akh') and the Greek word for angel (ag'ge·los), simply means “messenger.” It describes what they DO. Similarly, our English word “angel” is a “Title” that describes the role these spirit beings play-they’re God’s “messengers.” That is the way THE ARCHangel serves God, as his Chief Messenger; chief over all other “messengers” (angels) in the heavens. Indicating this, Rev. 12:7 says, ". . . war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and “HIS angels" battled with the dragon and its angels . . ."
Now, this is the point. Aside from Jesus’ Father, only one other heavenly Being is spoken of as having angels under subjection as Revelation stated above-namely, Jesus. 1 Pet.3:22 states, "He (Jesus) is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and “angels” and authorities and powers were made subject to HIM," not some other angelic heavenly being. (Note: Wicked angels came under the “Rulership” of Satan, not Michael-Matthew 12:24; Luke 11:15; compare 2Cor 4:3,4)
So, in referring to Jesus as “Michael the Archangel,” what we are in fact saying is that before he came to earth and upon his return to heaven, Jesus has, as one of his MANY heavenly name-titles-Michael the (Chief/Arch) (Messenger/angel) of God. [Two comparison scriptures you may find interesting: Ex 14:19,20a and 1Cor 10:1-4]
Both names-Michael (meaning "Who Is Like God?") and Jesus (meaning "Jehovah Is Salvation") -focus attention on his role as the Leading Advocate (The Word) of God. (“The Word” being another one of his heavenly titles; he speaks for God)
Too, 1Thess 4:16 says that when “the Lord descends with his commanding call, with an archangel’s voice, then those who are dead in union with him will rise…” At John 5:21,25 Jesus tells us that the dead will, “hear the voice of THE SON OF GOD: and they that hear shall live.” (KJ) God has given Jesus the role to raise the dead, not some other heavenly Being. (Jo 11:25)
Finally, though many may feel it's demeaning to refer to Jesus as the Chief Messenger Michael, it must be acknowledged that he left his position in heaven, bore the name Jesus and became a 'human'. . . a status decidedly lower than angels, and at no time did he consider it demeaning or beneath him. -Php.2:6,7; Heb.2:7,9. (Messiah being another one of his titles/role)
@@kot2572 It’s not a secret my friend. This is why we believe Jesus has, as one of his heavenly-name titles, Michael the Archangel.
Michael is called “THE” Archangel (the term occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural). This suggest that there is only One such angel. The prefix 'Arch', means Chief or Principle.
Keeping in mind that angels are spirit beings, the Hebrew word for angel (mal-'akh') and the Greek word for angel (ag'ge·los), simply means “messenger.” It describes what they DO. Similarly, our English word “angel” is a “Title” that describes the role these spirit beings play-they’re God’s “messengers.” That is the way THE ARCHangel serves God, as his Chief Messenger; chief over all other “messengers” (angels) in the heavens. Indicating this, Rev. 12:7 says, ". . . war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and “HIS angels" battled with the dragon and its angels . . ."
Now, this is the point. Aside from Jesus’ Father, only one other heavenly Being is spoken of as having angels under subjection as Revelation stated above-namely, Jesus. 1 Pet.3:22 states, "He (Jesus) is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and “angels” and authorities and powers were made subject to HIM," not some other angelic heavenly being. (Note: Wicked angels came under the “Rulership” of Satan, not Michael-Matthew 12:24; Luke 11:15; compare 2Cor 4:3,4)
So, in referring to Jesus as “Michael the Archangel,” what we are in fact saying is that before he came to earth and upon his return to heaven, Jesus has, as one of his MANY heavenly name-titles-Michael the (Chief/Arch) (Messenger/angel) of God. [Two comparison scriptures you may find interesting: Ex 14:19,20a and 1Cor 10:1-4]
Both names-Michael (meaning "Who Is Like God?") and Jesus (meaning "Jehovah Is Salvation") -focus attention on his role as the Leading Advocate (The Word) of God. (“The Word” being another one of his heavenly titles; he speaks for God)
Too, 1Thess 4:16 says that when “the Lord descends with his commanding call, with an archangel’s voice, then those who are dead in union with him will rise…” At John 5:21,25 Jesus tells us that the dead will, “hear the voice of THE SON OF GOD: and they that hear shall live.” (KJ) God has given Jesus the role to raise the dead, not some other heavenly Being. (Jo 11:25)
Finally, though many may feel it's demeaning to refer to Jesus as the Chief Messenger Michael, it must be acknowledged that he left his position in heaven, bore the name Jesus and became a 'human'. . . a status decidedly lower than angels, and at no time did he consider it demeaning or beneath him. -Php.2:6,7; Heb.2:7,9. (Messiah being another one of his titles/role)
Jesus is an Angel, the Mighty Angel of God, The Archangel of God ...
It was Taught not by the Watchtower, but the Bible... Study deep your Bible, may God lead you to the Truth, a very simple Truth
LIES !
@@stanleymays2710
Daniel, John, Paul and Moses doesn't lie !
Jesus is not god. He is the son of god he says so himself. Unless of course you’re calling Jesus a liar ?
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Jesus = Michael The Archangel
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO lies of satan himself ! So go pound sand!