jws please address point at 1:05 if the Trinity comes from the mind of the devil Why does the 1981 watchtower magazine article page 29 state the following: They say that it is sufficient to read the Bible exclusively, either alone or in small groups at home. But, strangely, through such ‘Bible reading,’ they have reverted right back to the apostate doctrines that commentaries by Christendom’s clergy were teaching 100 years ago, end quote. what is this apostate doctrine the bible teaches according to watchtower. points from 4:05 to 17:56 the governing body themselves would run.
Babylonia "The ancient Babylonians recognised the doctrine of a trinity, or three persons in one god-as appears from a composite god with three heads forming part of their mythology, and the use of the equilateral triangle, also, as an emblem of such trinity in unity" (Thomas Dennis Rock, The Mystical Woman and the Cities of the Nations, 1867, pp. 22-23).
@@Mr.DC3.1914 MrDC3 my question pertains to the watchtower claim that Bible reading people without the guidance of the governing body will revert back to a doctrine of satan. is the watchtower saying in this article the Holy Scriptures teach this false doctrine? are you in agreement with them on this you have the mic sir
Sheesh; great job. I used to give the Trinity talk as a former Elder. I used to love giving that talk to “debunk” the Trinity doctrine. That initial definition u gave at the outset is in that talk, except it doesn’t quote the entire definition, only partial. All of the references given in that talk were either from apologist or worst yet, partially quoted. As I started reading the Bible on my own, cross referencing scriptures from the Old Testament to the New, seeing descriptions used for Jesus, seeing how His disciples baptized in his name, plus getting an accurate definition and gist of what the Trinity really is, I was astonished. This video drove home many points via scripture. And u’re so right about false religion; JWs own Governing Body say that Jesus is their leader, yet tell its members that He’s not their mediator & the only way they can gain salvation is based upon obeying them & how they are treated as Christ’s brothers.
Although it is of course true that the JW's have nothing to do with the Bibles Christianity, they are however correct about there not being a trinity. The trinity is a false manmade CONcept. Just as the JW's are completely apostate from God so too is anyone who believes in a trinity.
@@bretherenlee1404No, but ur Governing Body has been disrespecting His Son with an unscriptural remembrance of Him, teaching its members that He’s not their Mediator, & that salvation comes from ur obedience and affiliation. Pls don’t go down this rabbit hole w/ me, b/c I will light u up w/ every single literature printed from 07/1879 to current exposing the truth about this religion.
@@bygeorgehemayberite8385 are you here saying no to the trinity and yes to the God of Jesus? Are you here giving a thumbs down to christmas and easter and other things not in the bible? We know the Watchtowers are wrong about how they conduct the Memorial and their teaching of Jesus just being a Mediator for a few. Does that mean that you will join in and destroy the trinity which also is not in the bible?
@@bretherenlee1404Clearly u haven’t watched the video, & clearly u don’t know what the definition of Trinity really implies. The word Trinity is not found in the Bible, however are their Two Almighty Gods? Are their Two Alpha & Omegas? Are their two “I ams?” Are their Two Mighty Gods? Either the answer is yes or no. If it’s Yes, then that contradicts the entire Bible. If the answer is no, then maybe the nature of God is something u need to further examine. So often men have put a cap on what God is, can do, etc. Why? B/c men have placed themselves as the mouthpiece of Him vs. just reading the Bible. The Bible interprets itself, it doesn’t need outside spokespeople to say what it means. This video was completely littered with scriptural passages. I have no idea why u brought up those other items, & I’m assuming u thought u made a point w/ it. How about this; how about u listen to this video, read all the passages presented, read them in full context & draw ur own conclusions.
Oh! Really?? Well I'm not a Jehovah's Witness but just like your churches that I've attended, I've attended theirs too. So what truth do you think they don't believe in that's in the Bible. Because while I'm not a Jehovah's Witness, I have extensive knowledge of what the scriptures say. I spent 5 years in prison and all I did was read my Bible's (all 5 of them) every single day from 7:30 in the morning to 5:00 in the afternoon. So what truth do they not believe in that's in the Bible. Because I promise you that I'm about to show you some truths that you're gonna deny and reject. I guarantee it. But please do explain the truths that the don't believe in.
@@ScottRock-mr6qk Grow a spine and admit it that you are part of them, NOBODY will ever defend a non christian denomination if he/she is not part of them.
really where is the world trinity where anywhere in scripture and how come it can be shown to be a man made doctine goole it study it dont just belive it cos your told too
It's only logical that the JWs are wrong on the Trinity. The 5 "translators" of the New World Translation couldn't read Hebrew or Greek. Not one of them One "translator" of the NWT (George Gangas)had as a qualification to translate the bible was his vast experience at flipping burgers at a local diner, prior to joining the JWs. No schooling in Hebrew or Koine Greek, The WT also claim another member of the NWT (Fred Franz) to be “Frederick W. Franz . . . an eminent Bible scholar” WT 8/1/1977, p. 463” AND “Frederick Franz, a scholar of Hebrew, Greek, Syriac, and Latin FAITH MARCH, p. 182” And yet the WT advised that our friend Freddie Franz never completed University. ***** SO FREDDIE FRANZ IS THE ONLY PERSON IN HISTORY TO BE A SCHOLAR OF THE LANGUAGES HE COULDN'T READ OR TRANSLATE. ***** If the WT can't define what a Scholar is, how can they get the definition of the Trinity correct.
The trinity is pagan in origin and has no merit in the Bible at all. Why?? Because there was No trinity in the Old Testament and he says in Malachi that I am the LORD and I do not change and yet two pages later, oh look he changed and is now three are one. No! That's not my God and never will be because he DOES NOT LIE! And you people of the trinity doctrine think that he did lie because he changed. No sir. And I know the trinity doctrine. It states that all three are equal and all three are all-knowing. So if the trinity is true then why does Jesus say at Mark 13:32 Heaven and earth are passing away, but my words will by no means pass away. Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, Not the Angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Soooo If all three are equal and all three are all-knowing why then doesn't Jesus know when Heaven and earth are passing away??? If he's equal to the Father then why doesn't he know??? And where is the Holy Spirit?? Why isn't he mentioned here?? But we'll leave the H.S. out of this. You can explain to me why Jesus doesn't know when Heaven and earth are passing away if they are all equal and all are all-knowing????? You know why?? Because they aren't equal and they aren't all-knowing because Jesus is below God Almighty. That's why and that makes your trinity doctrine have a kink in it. Huh!
@@ScottRock-mr6qk Dear "Scott on the Rocks" you make the claim the the Trinity is pagan in origin. Please provide 5 actual scholars that are peer reviewed that are experts in church history to confirm your silly claim. That 5 scholars Scott, not your opinion. Please don't quote from the WT either as that would be circular reasoning. So go and get me these 5 scholars who are peer reviewed in this area and get back to me. Happy hunting Scott, you'll be gone a long time. Maybe your little imaginary supposition about the Trinity and its pagan origin will also be "on the Rocks". I wish you all the best. BTW, can you get me the qualifications of ALL the NWT translation committee. Check.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
@@RowanTasmanian Babylonia "The ancient Babylonians recognised the doctrine of a trinity, or three persons in one god-as appears from a composite god with three heads forming part of their mythology, and the use of the equilateral triangle, also, as an emblem of such trinity in unity" (Thomas Dennis Rock, The Mystical Woman and the Cities of the Nations, 1867, pp. 22-23).
@RowanTasmanian Here's two Roweine. As Bible scholars John McClintock and James Strong explain: "Towards the end of the 1st century, and during the 2d, many learned men came over both from Judaism and paganism to Christianity. These brought with them into the Christian schools of theology their Platonic ideas and phraseology" (Cyclopaedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, 1891, Vol. 10, "Trinity," p. 553). Dont worry, I'll get you three more by days end, right now i have something else more pressing than talking with a trinitrian to think about. Fear not Rewenie. I'll get them for you.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
Don't listen to all these "doctrines" that people are simply repeating. - Get a regular Bible, read the New Testament, and ask God to give you wisdom and reveal His truth to you.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth PLAIN AND SIMPLE and yet you cannot understand - WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL Even Origen called Jesus as the most ancient of all the works of creation ------For the holy Scriptures know Him to be the most ancient of all the works of creation. nOTICE , MOST ANCIENT of ALL THE WORKS OF CREATION.. thus Jesus was part of the creation and he was the most ancient, the eldest, the first in time of that group
Even Origen called Jesus as the most ancient of all the works of creation ------For the holy Scriptures know Him to be the most ancient of all the works of creation. nOTICE , MOST ANCIENT of ALL THE WORKS OF CREATION.. thus Jesus was part of the creation and he was the most ancient, the eldest, the first in time of that group
Another verse demonstrating that Jesus and the Father are equal is Hebrew 1:4. John 14:28 speaks of the Father being 'greater' [status, position, rank, quantatively] and Hebrews 1:4 speaks of Jesus being 'better' than the angels - speaking of His substance [essence, being, qualititively].
You use a verse that points to the Father being greater and you say it demonstrates Jesus and the father are equal? What's wrong with you people? You have the whole world laughing.
@@steadyflow3790 I take it you not DON'T only understand basic biblical exegesis [you attempt a failed character assassination, but offer no proofs] but that you a JW and a lover of heretical teachings.
@@steadyflow3790 It looks like you can't make a distinction between Jesus as a human, speaking as a human (John 14:28, in His Incarnation) and Jesus, as God Hebrews 1:4).
I have been trying to convince my parents for a long time and made many overviews. But your video is just straight to the point with tons of evidence. Thank you for that!
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
Mr.DC3.1914 has a screw loose. I do not suggest engaging with him. If you are looking for some scholarly books on the Trinity, I suggest reading some stuff by Fred Sanders. God bless.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth I quoted ALL FROM THE BIBLE, and you just attack me just because I refuted you and you think that 1=66. O MY. Even Origen called Jesus as the most ancient of all the works of creation ------For the holy Scriptures know Him to be the most ancient of all the works of creation. nOTICE , MOST ANCIENT of ALL THE WORKS OF CREATION.. thus Jesus was part of the creation and he was the most ancient, the eldest, the first in time of that group
Even Origen called Jesus as the most ancient of all the works of creation ------For the holy Scriptures know Him to be the most ancient of all the works of creation. nOTICE , MOST ANCIENT of ALL THE WORKS OF CREATION.. thus Jesus was part of the creation and he was the most ancient, the eldest, the first in time of that group
Yes, and Jesus stated that God is a spirit..John 4: 23, 24. Trinitarians contradict Jesus , and state that Jesus is God Man, and add flesh to God's spirit. Jesus clearly taught that God id a Spirit and not Flesh and Spirit. God is a spirit....that's why no man can see God . Jesus also taught me, that the true worshippers would be worshipping the Father! The Father is not Jesus. " Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him.+ 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” Trinitarians worship God's chosen servant-his only begotten son, instead of whom Jesus directed us to worship- his God and Father. ( Isaiah 42: 1 ) Christian regards, and praised be the God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ-2 Corinthians 1: 3.
@@celticmarmite6048God is one Spirit being. I have over 35 verses proving that Jesus is Lord God Almighty clothed in unsinful humanity. You've got nothing.
Does John 14:28 prove the trinity belief is a lie? Absolutely. Please consider. The trinity teaching, which is based on the man-made Athanasian Creed, says: "And in this Trinity none is afore or after Other, None is greater or less than Another, but the whole Three Persons are Co-equal. The AC contradicts John 14:28 by saying the Father and Son are NOT greater than each other, while John 14:28 has Jesus saying that the Father *IS* greater than the Son. Heb. 2:9 also says the Father is greater than his Son by saying the human Jesus was "made lower than the angels." So, how could Jesus be made lower than the angels, yet be equal to the Father? The Father is also greater than his Son in knowledge. As John 8:28 has Jesus saying: "I say only what the Father taught me." If Jesus were equal to his Father in knowledge, what could the Father teach Jesus what Jesus didn't know? And let's not forget Matt. 24:36, where Jesus said: "But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." So, if Father and Son and holy spirit are equal in knowledge, would the Son and holy spirit know "the day and hour" just like the Father? So, no, JWs are not wrong about the trinity. They know that it is a false doctrine.
Tell you what, if you come talk to me, I will listen to what you have to say, and ask questions, and if you can disprove the trinity, with Scripture, I will remove the content. If you can prove Witnesses are the Truth, with Scripture, I will delete the channel. I'll work around your schedule, email me and we'll set it up.
As an ex JW took a while to fully surrender to the will of Holy Spirit. Continue to plant seed and let the Holy Spirit take control. Keep up the great work.
Even Origen called Jesus as the most ancient of all the works of creation ------For the holy Scriptures know Him to be the most ancient of all the works of creation. nOTICE , MOST ANCIENT of ALL THE WORKS OF CREATION.. thus Jesus was part of the creation and he was the most ancient, the eldest, the first in time of that group
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
God is NOT a trinity. God is a spirit. Jesus is now a spirit as well because flesh can not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. They're both spirit creatures. Jesus was given the powers of god while here on earth to show the jews and us that he was the chosen one of God. That doesn't make him God Almighty. Jesus is exactly what Isaiah said he'd be called, which is Mighty God, but he is NOT the Almighty God. Big difference between Almighty and Mighty. One means absolute power and no equal, and the other means powerful and strong. The trinity doctrine states that all three are all-knowing and all three are equal. Is that true??? Not according to the scriptures its not. Jesus said at Mark 13:32 that no one knows when Heaven and earth are passing away, not the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. And the Holy Spirit isnt even mentioned in that scripture. That's a pretty big damper on the all-knowing thing right there and as for them being equal, John 14:28 Jesus himself again said, "If you loved me you'd rejoice that I go to the Father for the Father is Greater than I am." I don't care what any doctrine says or states. I only care about what Jesus says about himself and his father. And he said that his father was God at John 8:54. Not himself.
If Jesus Christ is not God, can He make us the righteousness of God? 2Co 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. Great video ❤
(1 Corinthians 15:22) For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive. Jesus was the EQUAL of Adam. Both being SONS of God. God cannot come in human form. God cannot be Adam's equal. And God cannot die.
@@Scott-t2p :I'm not sure if that is the correct expression. Jesus could have sinned. All intelligent creatures have free will. But Jesus didn't sin. This was written about Jesus. (1 Peter 2:22) He committed no sin, nor was deception found in his mouth. This can be only stated about someone who could have sinned, but was loyal to God.
@@Scott-t2p : Please when citing a scripture, indicate to me why I should be reading it. I've seen people who are determined to make Jesus into God, pick some random scripture and do a twist with it.
How many times did Jesus pray to the Holy Spirit? Steven saw Jesus standing next to God,. He saw no Holy Spirit. What is the name of the Holy Spirit? Jesus was tempted by Satan. God cannot be tempted!!!
God is 3 persons ONE spirit being that is Holy. You can’t get any plainer than the following scriptures “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father” John 14:9 and “Jesus is the image of the invisible God” Colossians 1:15. John 14:11 “Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe [Me] because of the [very] works themselves [which you have witnessed].”
Jesus was an angel. On earth he was just a man. After he died Jesus went back to being an angel. Just in case someone misunderstands. (Acts 2:22) “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus the Naz·a·reneʹ WAS A MAN.....
@@12firehose : There is a prophecy given at 2 Timothy 4:3,4 which shows that people will hang onto certain 'teachers' who tell them what THEY WANT TO HEAR. If the Trinity is scriptural, use the Bible. Why bring JWs into the context. It is because JWs very existence exposes the lies others believe. Jesus' existence too had that effect. John 15:18 If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you.
@@jimjuri6490 sure ok lol JW'S are nothing more than a cult with several false prophecies. Do I need to mention the Bible verses and what they say about false prophets?
From, “Let your kingdom come “- page 70- “Satan tried to have Jesus think that he, as the Son of God, was someone important -a celebrity.” Does that not blow your mind?! Anti-Christ really.
@@K_e_n_ ,....Yes, it is a serious question. So, from the writings of the Jehovah's witnesses they say what you quoted here? Yes, this is mind blowing that anyone could be so willingly ignorant to be deceived by this nonsense. The jehovah's witnesses the mormons, the catholics, and the orthodox are the pinnacle of the willingly ignorant. Everything they all believe is complete unbiblical nonsense.
@@seasonedwithsalt5129 For the Kingdom of God is not food or drinks , but righteousness, peace, and joy on the Holy Syrit [Romans 14:7] : It is within you [Luke 17:20-21] John 3:3-7 Jesus answered, Veroly, verily I say unto thee, except a man be "Born Again",[of water and Spirit] he cannot see the Kingdom of God....1st Peter 1:25 Being "Born Again" ...by the Word of God [CHRIST], which liveth and abideth forever. ,,,1st Peter 1:25 But the Word of the Lord endureth forever and this is the Word which by the Gospel is preach unto you ...Therefore if any man be "In Christ".[ Colossians 1:26-27 ; 2:2-3] he is a new creation [Born Again]. ...1st John 5:1 Whoever believe that JESUS is the CHRIST[1st John 2:22-24; 4:1-11; 2nd John 7-11] is Born of God.🙏🛐
Thank you so much for this! Such a great video! It is extremely unfortunate that the people in the JW religion are so hungry for God and being lead away from him, straight to eternal suffering. God bless their souls. I pray the true God reveals himself to them. Praise God.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
@@CherylArsenault123 WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
David, the quote says, "The Jehovah’s Witnesses offer people a moralistic monotheistic religion." It does not claim they are monotheist, but that they _offer_ people a monotheistic religion. JW's claim all the time that they are monotheistic, but polytheistic henotheists. Polytheism is the belief in many gods, which is what JWs believe in. Henotheism is the adherence to one god out of many, which is what JWs do. JWs think that monolatry (the worship of one God) = monotheism, but that simply isn't true. JW are polytheists who have a pantheon of gods. Jehovah is the big god, Jesus is the medium god, and angels are the small gods.
@@NickHawaii AMEN!!! - Just as reasonable as “the Trinity” is. 👍🏻 unless, of course, you are able to completely explain this further in detail. Are you?
Yes, Jesus said that salvation originates with the Jews. -John 4: 22 " Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.”- John 4:23,24. Praised be the God and Father of our lord ( means master, or sir ) Jesus Christ. -2Corinthians 1: 2. The true worshippers are heeding Jesus' own words and following him in worshipping his God, and Father-Yehovah.
On that day we will understand. John 14:20 and read the entire chapter of John 17. The god of the watchtower is so easily understood . God can only be at one place at a time, and cannot be in 2 places at one. WT 2/15/1982 page 6. And He lives in the constellation Pleiades, reconciliation page 14. But it’s possible the organization got new light and believe something else now.
@@Terrylb285 Living in graveyards of things we may have used to believe in. True we don’t have a pagan concept of God that he is in everything. But his spirit is far reaching and pervading where it wants to go. Speak truth.
@@Terrylb285 As time progressed Jehovah's Witnesses gained greater understanding regarding Pleiades and admitted: Pleiades can no longer be considered the center of the universe and it would be unwise for us to try to fix God's throne as being at a particular spot in the universe. Were we to think of the Pleiades as his throne we might improperly view with special veneration that cluster of stars" (Watchtower 1953) Jehovah's Witnesses have always understood that God is a spirit being without a physical presence. They did not originate any ideas about Pleiades and were hardly unique for accepting other's research on the matter. A century or so ago, when the publications of Jehovah's Witnesses occasionally alluded to Pleiades, it was because the general view of the day was that Pleiades was the modern name of the constellations specially highlighted for mention by the Divine Author in the bible book of Job. Jehovah's Witnesses have never hidden the fact that we are a progressive organization that view alterations as evidence of divine enlightenment (see Proverbs 18:4). It is for this reason that we view past mistakes as a positive affirmation of our forward movement and proudly point to changes in the study articles of our magazines. This seems to be one such case.
The word Trinity is not in the bible anywhere. It is our interpretation as we read the bible we begin to see the interpretation. Just as charles taze russell founded the jdubs by his interpretation of the bible. He wasnt the sharpest knife in the drawer to not see it but neither were the five men un-educated in ancient greek who re-translated the bible and wrote their nwt. If you could get jdubs to trade their nwt for a nasb and read it they would start to see all of it as the rest of us do. But thats an impossability as that would be apostasy to them.
The question is not about translators. Were those who wrote the originals scholars of any sort? BTW JWs were being gathered by God long before any NWT came out. See the prophecy ay Micah 4:1-5.
@@jimjuri6490 there' s no prophecy there jim. The scripture basically saying lets all of different nations go up to the lords house high on the mountain. There's no gathering of jdubs going on there. Are you sure you know what your saying or talking about? I dont think you are. And yea the first early translators knew what they were doing. The 5 jw men who translated the bible into the nwt did not know what they were doing jim. They were NOT Educated in ancient greek to translate the bible. Do you want to try again or have something more to say jim?
@@jimjuri6490 really??? Then please explain why ALL Bible believing people, including JWs, receive their rule of faith, the Bible, from the Catholic/Orthodox church, the Bride of Christ… Why, if you were the ones “being gathered by God long before any NWT came out” did yall rely on the Catholic/Orthodox church…. History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, - the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, - the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, - not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time, growing in numbers of hundreds of “inspired” NT writings. Therefore, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved it by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
Being a JW is about serving the Watchtower organization. Period. The Watchtower will do whatever they can do to isolate their members as much as possible though whatever means possible, mostly through heretical and otherwise weird teachings.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
Thank you so much, This was absolutely Great ..We thank our 'great God and Savior Jesus Christ' Titus 2:13 for you...It's remarkable how much I've learnt in less than 20 minutes🙏 🙌 ❤
You know you are upsetting the demons when they appear in droves over a video on youtube. All the JWs, Universalists, Modalists, and Arians commenting on this video mean it is really upsetting them, kind of like Legion, the demon who said, "We are many." All of Legion's comments show they are convicted by the Truth in Christ, and hate the fact they want to remain in their sin.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
@@richbaker7187 that's your own group btw. you cannot deny HISTORY and FACTS - your pagan trinity was formulate only AFTER 400 YEARS - FROM BRITANNICA - The Council of Nicaea in 325 stated the crucial formula for that doctrine in its confession that the Son is “of the same substance [homoousios] as the Father,” even though it said very little about the Holy Spirit. Over the next half century, St. Athanasius defended and refined the Nicene formula, and, by the end of the 4th century, under the leadership of St. Basil of Caesarea, St. Gregory of Nyssa, and St. Gregory of Nazianzus (the Cappadocian Fathers), the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.
@@richbaker7187 Babylonia "The ancient Babylonians recognised the doctrine of a trinity, or three persons in one god-as appears from a composite god with three heads forming part of their mythology, and the use of the equilateral triangle, also, as an emblem of such trinity in unity" (Thomas Dennis Rock, The Mystical Woman and the Cities of the Nations, 1867, pp. 22-23).
This was beautifully done! When I first came to Christ one of the moments that blew my mind was seeing how it all really points to him. That realization made my process of trying the spirits a breeze lol. If any group of “believers” are not pointing their followers to Christ, 🚩 🚩 🚩🚩🚩🙏🏽
No it wasn't beautifully done. The trinity is nothing but a lie. Created by Constantine and his pagan ways. There was no trinity in the Old Testament and in Malachi God said I an the LORD and I do not change and yet 2 pages later in the New Testament in Matthew oh look he lied to us and changed. That not how the Bible works and that's not the God I love with all my heart. And that's not the Jesus that I put my faith in. The Bible says to know the Son is to know the Father and you people have no clue as to who and what Jesus is and was before he came to earth as a man. He wasn't God that's for sure. And doesn't Jesus himself say that your to Love your Father with all your heart, soul, strength and might??? Yes it does. Yet you think it's supposed to be Jesus that your supposed love with all your heart, soul, strength and might. Well your wrong. I do honor Jesus because I know who and what he was. You haven't a clue as to who and what he was.
@@ScottRock-mr6qk _" The trinity is nothing but a lie. "_ Your problem is that you are biblical knowledge bankrupt. John 1: 1 said *GOD,* nothing about *a* god. Isaiah 9: 6 said that *HE IS GOD THE FATHER* , nothing about a lesser god. Isaiah 41 / 43 and 44 says God is *FIRST AND LAST* Rev 1: 17 and 22: 13 says that *JESUS IS FIRST AND LAST* And so we can go on for many more solid examples out of the Word of God But as usual, spiritual blind fools will read the Bible everyday for 5 years while in prison, and when they walk out of that prison, they will still find themselves in a spiritual prison for the rest of their life's.
@@nonconformist4802 And Exodus 6:3 says that YHWH is God Almighty and Yeshua without the vowels is YSH NOT YHWH. So Jesus is not God Almighty. And I don't know where you came up with Jesus is the Father when he says himself that he's the Son. And since it's clear to me that you have no understanding of the Bible. Move along Slow Mo. Your below me. Way below me. I tell you what, if you can answer two questions, I'll talk with you. Get it wrong or reject either of them and we're done. Ready? What was Jesus before he came to earth as a man?? Say God and were done. And 2nd, was Jesus the beginning of the creation by God?????
@nonconformist4802 Your understanding of the Bible is a made up fabrication. Based on church leaders that have taught you nothing but lies. Because that's what they do. You're either a Catholic or You're a Baptist. Guaranteed. Because I used to be married to a catholic woman. And I felt as dirty as one would when he crawled out from under his truck that oil and grease was leaking all over the place. And if you're not either of those you're still a follower of the Catholic churches because all religions today are nothing more than branches off of Catholicism. The Baptists say oh yeah we believe in the trinity too but we don't pray or worship saints so we're gonna do things our way and the Methodist are right behind them and Protestants and Lutherans and Evangelist all of them. All religions are just followers of Catholicism. What day of the week do you attend church on?? Yeah the same day the Catholics changed it to. Sunday. And that's not the Sabbath. Fool.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
(Mar 4:36-41 KJV) 36 And when they had sent away the multitude, they took him even as he was in the ship. And there were also with him other little ships. 37 And there arose a great storm of wind, and the waves beat into the ship, so that it was now full. 38 And he was in the hinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow: and they awake him, and say unto him, Master, carest thou not that we perish? 39 And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm. 40 And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith? 41 And they feared exceedingly, and said one to another, What manner of man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him? Be careful how you answer verse 41 because it will determine if you know him
(John 1:2) This one was in the beginning with God. Would John call his Most Holy God as 'THIS ONE'? Who is THIS ONE? And whom was he WITH? Proper translations that make sense follow: • 1822: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.) • 1829: "and the Word was a god" - The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829) • 1863: "and the Word was a god" - A Literal Translation of the New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863) • 1864: "and a god was the Word" - The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London (left hand column interlinear reading)
🔥 Brother, tysm. Glory be to God!! Lord knows I was wondering how to speak to a JW. Please pray. Thank God and you so much for your work. Do you give permission to use your material, including translating it? Can't wait for part 2!! Tysm again!!
Question; How is it God told Satan in the book of Job "Not to take the life of the man Job",and Satan listen to God and did'nt. But eventually allows himself to be put to death by Satan? Then HOW can GOD'S majesty, might, and authority be FOR ALL PAST ETERNITY and now and into ALL ETERNITY??? Jude 25, If as part of the trinty He dies? Where does God die or needs to? He can't be from eternity to eternity if he dies!? IF GOD died in any shape or form Then HE is not who HE claimes to be. Almighty, from everlasting to everlasting? Or is Yehoshua Gods sent forth one, ambassador, apostel? John 8:42 John 5:19 Say what you want, the sourse OF life CAN NOT DIE! If Satan could have tricked God into unaliving himself in any shape or form, then God's claim to being ALMIGHTY, would be in question. HOW can the sourse of life Extinguish it's self? Better still "why?" He told Satan not to take the gift of life from his servant Job beacuse it is his gift. As God Almighty the original sourse of light and life why would He unalive him self to prove a point He already extablished with Satan and Satan didn't challenge? ( Satan was told not to take Job's life and he didn't ) If God say's who lives and who dies, and IT can not be legally challenged! Why would He be expected to give up his OWN LIFE? I've looked and looked, prayed and prayed over the course of years....... Yehovah, Yehoshua never showed it to me.
What is a wicked unbiblical lie is the trinity. There is no such thing as the trinity. Anyone who believes in a trinity is just as apostate from God and from Biblical truth as are the jehovah's witnesses.
Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.”- John 4: 23, 24. Jesus is not his own God and Father, he changed ny belief as a trinitarian. The true worshippers are not liars ,for worshipping , Jesus' God and Father. The true worshippers are worshipping the Father in spirit and truth. God ( the wholeone ) is a Spirit, and not flesh and spirit, or a God Man. I woke up spiritually to Jesus' words. Praised be the God and father of our lordm Jesus Christ. Ex trinitarian, now worshipping the one whom, Jesus directed me to worship. ....his God and Father.
Darby Bible Translation That they may know that thou alone, whose name is Jehovah, art the Most High over all the earth.- Psalm 83: 18. English Revised Version That they may know that thou alone, whose name is JEHOVAH, art the Most High over all the earth.- Psalm 83: 18
What about the wicked lie of the Trinity? DOES ONE HAVE TO BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY TO BE CHRISTIAN, OR TO BE SAVED? WHERE DID THE TRINITY DOCTRINE COME FROM? One could read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and find no evidence of the doctrine of the Trinity. It was formalized at two councils, Nicaea (325 c.e.) and Constantinople (381 c.e.), and in 1571, professed in the confessions of The Articles of Religion and The Westminster Confession of Faith (1643-1646). Noted Theologian Dr. Wayne Grudem defines the Trinity: “God eternally exists as three Persons, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, each is fully God, and there is only one God” (Wayne Grudem, Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Biblical Doctrine, Zondervan, 1994). The Triune God is One God consisting of three Persons called the Trinity, therefore, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three Gods (Elohim), One God (EL or Eloah). There is no explicit doctrine of the Trinity in the Bible. Trinitarians presuppose that the Trinity is rooted in the pages of Scripture, and those who believe this are brainwashed to believe without question. Christian scholars acknowledge that no revelation of the Trinity is explicitly stated in the Bible, they say, “It is implied.” Christian Theologian James White states, “We (Trinitarians) hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine…No one dares question the Trinity for fear of being branded a ‘heretic’...We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully and completely Christian” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, pp. 14-15, 1998). Are Trinitarians telling us the biblical truth? And is the belief in the Trinity a salvation prerequisite? In other words, if a Christian does not believe in the Trinity can he be saved? Are Trinitarians legalists? Jesuit scholar Edmond Fortman states, “Today it (the Trinity) is being challenged by many as unintelligible and irrelevant to modern man in its traditional formation and presentation” (The Triune God: A Historical Study of the Doctrine of the Trinity, 1972, p. xxv-xxxiv). History bears witness, that Popes to John Calvin have authorized thousands to be excommunicated, and persecuted, and have even murdered Christians who do not believe in the Trinity! Posted at a seminary: John Calvin wanted for the Murder of Michael Servetus! The Trinity is widely disputed, an absolute mystery, and mysterious in its origin. It is a doctrine of confusion. Many have tried to explain it as Water, Ice, and Steam, which describes Modalism as one God who manifests in three different modes while remaining one substance. Modalism is a heresy according to Trinitarians. Does this Trinity doctrine of confusion sound like a doctrine to base our faith and salvation on? Not according to the Word of God, for, “God is not the author of confusion” (1 Corinthians 14:33). It is a fact, that scholarly theologians and historians admit that the doctrine of the Trinity was not taught or revealed by God, not found in the Bible. Christian Reformer, Martin Luther: “It is indeed true that the name ‘Trinity’ is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man” (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). Historian H.G. Wells: “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from him” (H.G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499, 1920). Millard Erickson, Professor of Theology at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, writes, that the Trinity “is not clearly or explicitly taught anywhere in Scripture, and yet it is widely regarded as a central doctrine, indispensable to the Christian faith. In this regard, it goes contrary to what is virtually an axiom of biblical doctrine, namely, that there is a direct correlation between the scriptural clarity of a doctrine and its cruciality to the faith and life of the church. In view of the difficulty of the subject and the great amount of effort to expended to maintain this doctrine, we may well ask ourselves what might justify all this trouble” (Millard Erickson, God in Three Persons: A Contemporary Interpretation of the Trinity, p. 12, 1995). The New Encyclopaedia Britannica: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament…The doctrine developed over several centuries and through many controversies…It was not until the 4th century that the distinctness of the three and their (substance) unity were brought together in a single Orthodox doctrine of one essence and three persons” (Vol. 11, p. 928, 1985 ed.). The Trinity doctrine is of the tradition of man, and not of God. Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders…?” He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…’ He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:5-9). The Trinity doctrine is of the tradition of men and makes void the doctrine of salvation in Christ alone. The Trinity doctrine is legalism in the highest. The Trinity doctrine is not a prerequisite for our salvation, the opposite is true! The Trinity doctrine is unbiblical and never taught by Christ!
@@xxxViceroyxxx- No one in the Holy Bible confessed belief in a trinity doctrine, even when Jesus Himself asked Peter _"Who do you say I am."_ --->Matthew 16:15-17 ~ _“He (Jesus) said to them, _*_‘But who do you say that I am?*’ Simon Peter answered, *‘You are THE CHRIST, the Son of the living God.’_*_ And Jesus said to him, _*_‘BLESSED are you, Simon Barjona,_*_ because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.’”_ So, Peter simply confessed Jesus as being *_"THE CHRIST, the Son of the living God."_* --- Jesus did NOT correct Peter and say, *_"YOU HAVE NO SALVATION unless you ALSO confess that I am "fully God and fully man."_* --- Instead, Jesus said Peter was _"BLESSED."_ --- Yes, Peter was saved *without* Jesus requiring any confession of Him being a Trinitarian *_"fully God and fully man."_*
The difference between God and Jesus is that Jesus had a beginning. He was begotten. He is always subordinate to his God and Father, Jehovah. God however was never begotten. He always existed. He does not have a Father. Trying to put Jesus in the place of his Father to ascribe worship to him that should only ever go to Jesus' God and Father is idolatry which defeats the whole purpose of Jesus coming here in the first place. Jesus warned us about people such as the one who made this video: " Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will," Matthew 7:21.
Jesus didn't had a beginning. 200 AD Tertullian "He will be God, and the Word - the Son of God. We see plainly the twofold state, which is not confounded, but conjoined in One Person - Jesus, God and Man.." (Against Praxeas, ch 27) 200 AD Tertullian "God alone is without sin. The only man who is without sin is Christ; for Christ is also God" (The Soul 41:3) 200 AD Tertullian "We do indeed believe that there is only one God, but we believe that under this dispensation, or, as we say, oikonomia, there is also a Son of this one only God, his Word, who proceeded from him and through whom all things were made and without whom nothing was made. . . . We believe he was sent down by the Father, in accord with his own promise, the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete, the Sanctifier of the faith of those who believe in the Father and the Son, and in the Holy Spirit. . . . this rule of faith has been present since the beginning of the Gospel, before even the earlier heretics" ... "And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for the unity is distributed in a Trinity. Placed in order, the Three are the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition, but in degree; not in Being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of one Being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" (Against Praxeas 2).
@@misterauctor7353 Tertullian wasn't one of the apostles or Bible writers. He was just some religionist who came later. Religious expressions such as Trinity and Trinity explanations are not found in the Bible or the teachings of the apostles. If it was so central to the faith of Christians why didn't they highlight it or explain it instead of some guys centuries later? Peter for instance, when Jesus asked him who he was what did Peter say? He said to them: “You, though, who do you say I am?” "Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 In response Jesus said to him: “Happy you are, Simon son of Joʹnah, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father in the heavens did," Matthew 16:16,17. So forget about church dogma and man made arguments about homoousion, or substance, designed to make them sound more learned than anybody else, just stick to the Bible and believe what Peter believed, that Jesus is the son of God.
@@dirkfirkle And you, Beth-Ephratha, tiniest among the thousand of Judah, out of you shall come one to be ruler in Israel, his origins being from of old, from ancient days, Micah 5:2. Byington. "Whose comings forth have been from of old, from the days of age-past time," Rotherham. "Whose origin is from ancient times, from the days of long ago," NWT. Why can't Jesus have had a beginning? He was totally reliant on his Father for everything. He came to earth to promote the worship of his Father not himself. You can't interchangeably worship Jesus one day and then his Father the next as if they were the same God. The Bible gives us the only correct protocol for approaching God and that's through Christ. Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me," John 14:6.
What you seem to be missing is that jesus was "given" the name of god. Phillipians 2:8-9 and john 17:11 teaches that jesus is lord, but its a given name. He gives that authority back as you know in 1 corinthians 15:28. Jesus repeatedly denied that he was god, but was the son of god. The jews did not accuse jesus of claiming to be god, but the son of god. Jesus was also "given" life in the father as john 5:26 tells us. Jesus was also "given" authority in matthew 28:18 So the trinitarians get confused because they dont understand that jesus was "given" the name of god. Thats why old testament prophecies using the name jehovah refers to jesus. I will say though that jesus does appear to be in the form of god. He is not like an angel who was made a little higher than angels. He is most certainly not god though and the bible does not teach this lie
Given, because he was in a servant state, he emptied himself, and then got it back, he glorified and seated back to his position of power, which is what Phil 2:5-11 teaches. Where did Jesus deny he was God? This is news to me. I’ve read the Bible many times, never seen that.
@@LightoverDarkMinistryno. Given because he never had it to begin with. He wasn't"given it back" "God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him his holy name" this is clear and uncompromising to anyone looking at it honestly. Phillipians 2:5-11 does not teach that he was given back his original position at all. Quite the opposite, its when he was given it That's why he quotes isaiah and says that every knee should bend in the name of Jesus not jehovah. He has been given that authority Where did jesus claim that he was god?
Even Origen called Jesus as the most ancient of all the works of creation ------For the holy Scriptures know Him to be the most ancient of all the works of creation. nOTICE , MOST ANCIENT of ALL THE WORKS OF CREATION.. thus Jesus was part of the creation and he was the most ancient, the eldest, the first in time of that group
@@Mr.DC3.1914 ,..What/who is origen? And who cares what he said? It only matters what the Bible says, and nowhere does the Bible say that God is a trinity.
@@misterauctor7353 ,...This scripture in no way whatsoever supports the 100% fake manmade trinity. What it does say is for the Christians to teach the lost, and I am teaching you there in no such thing as a trinity. The phrase baptize them in the name of the father, the son, and the holy Ghost simply means teach them, (immerse them in) the truth of the Bible. And the truth of the Bible is there is no trinity. That the entire church is apostate. In the new testament age, God has sent his son to redeem the few who Jesus the son, came to save, and after Jesus did what he came to do, the Holy Spirit/Ghost is the one who remains to teach those Jesus saved the truth of the Bible. And again, the truth of the Bible is, there is no trinity. God is seven spirits and not three. Anyone who does not understand this doesn't because the Holy Spirit has nothing to do with them. They are all being taught by the phony preachers/teachers/pastors of the apostate church, not by the Holy Spirit. Matthew Ch. 28, 19, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
That was never its purpose. The Bible as you know it was not established until 60 years AFTER the council of Nicaea, and 300 years AFTER the writings them selves. It was Nicaea in 325 when the church began to develop the Trinity doctrine well before they produced the Bible.
Amen,your in the right path unfortunately jw org has many good people in it but the deception is real,Jesus must be lord of thier life's, keep praying and ask the most high for guidance
The apostles twisted the scriptures so that no trinitarian will be saved, @Acts, 5:28-32/ Romans, 10:9, If you confess that Jesus is lord ,and did not believed in your heart that Jehovah rose Jesus from the dead, you will be saved,😭
Where does it sayTrinity in the bible? Where does it say, co-equal, co-enternal? It can be challenging to wrap out heads around the doctrine. This is how this video starts. All trinitarian made up jargon. It fails before it starts. The bible is simple, God is one, the father. Jesus is the son of God as he has stated
"there is actually to us one God, the Father,....." - 1 Corinthians 8: 6 - Apostle Paul's words. Jesus words:" Salvation originates with the Jews." - John 4: 22. Jesus never prophesised about a future time when an unbaptised Roman Pagan Emporer-Constantine would kick start the Trinity doctrine in 325AD. The true worshippers would be worshipping not, Jesus, or a multi-personal God, but his God and Father. See John 4: 23-4, those who want to be taught by Jesus, and not by Pagan men from the 4th century. The true worshippers would be worshipping only the Father-Jesus' one true God, who alone is Yehovah...Psalm 83: 18; John 17: 3.
Geneva Bible of 1587 That they may knowe that thou, which art called Iehouah, art alone, euen the most High ouer all the earth.-Psalm 83: 18. Alone means alone. Jehovah is alone Almighty God., and not fractions of three seperate persins or 3 Gods=1 God, or a Binity- 2 seperate persons. Jesus prayed these words: " This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ." - John 17:3. Be taught by Jesus, and not by a Roman Pagan Emperor, who in 325AD, kick started the Trinity. Tri is the Latin for 3. Jesus taught me to know the Father , the only one who is to be worshipped. Praised be, the God and Father of our lord( means master ) Jesus Christ- 2 Corinthians 1: 3. Indeed the Father is looking for ones to worship him.....John 4: 23, 24.
@@YouMayKnowMeAsNate : So that is an excuse to make up a Trinity? Distorting God's personality is a serious crime. Isaiah 42:8 I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else,
That is what is termed 'Desperate times call for desperate measures'. When Jesus said or did that he was just a man. When he said or did something else he was God. A convenient way to explain any scripture.
No man has seen God and yet live.. yet men have seen Jesus.. God is all-knowing.. Jesus is not God cannot die.. Jesus died, Jesus said the father is greater than I am.. that's crystal clear, and the word trinity is not in the Bible, and Jesus NEVER said he was God.. NEVER
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Isaiah 42:8 I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Jesus who didn't even want being ministered to (Matthew 20:28) is made into God and worshiped by so called Trinitarians. Acts 20:30 comes to mind.
Jesus said in Matthew 12:25 that every kingdom-every house-divided against itself is brought to desolation. It cannot stand. When the enemy goes hard after your family using division, the answer is reconciliation. We should not try to cause divisions we should love and help each other, spirit has a mind so can also have personhood.
I do not belong to any religion. But what you are saying about God being a trinity makes no sense. How can you speak of God as him then say they are 3 separate persons. God should be they. If the Father is holy and a spirit then isn’t the Holy Spirt actually the Father? If the Father sits on his throne and the son sits at Gods right hand, where does the Holy Spirit sit? How is it none of Jesus apostles only ever honoured the Father and the Son but ignored the person of the Holy Spirit? The trinity teaching is religious garbage.
James 4:11 " Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge." KJV
I still don’t understand the Trinity. I woke up 2 years ago and I’m still living a nightmare not knowing what to believe except that God exists which is pretty sad.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry I really appreciate that! I’ve been reading everything I can on Christian doctrines and studying the Bible objectively on my own for 2 years now but I still feel stuck when it comes to certain teachings and I’m afraid I may be going backwards.
Soon, The apostles will slams the reference books to the trinitarian theologists faces and says, Hey, that's not Jesus's instructions that we preached.you better read these first. Mat.10:26-28/13:10-11/Mark,4:34/ Deut.32:39/1st Sam.2:6-7 /2nd.Kings,5:7.
Paul described God as one God the Father, in 1 Corinthians 6:8. Paul eliminates any other persons, in his comment. Christian regards. Praised be the god and Father of our lord Jesus Christ-2Corinthians 1: 2.
"Theos" without the definite article can refer to divinely empowered representatives of JEHOVAH.BWe gave this on no less an authority than the Bible itself. John Ch.10:34,35NKJV"Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? 35If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken)," This is a reference of psalms Ch.82:6NKJV"I said, “You are [e]gods, And all of you are children of the Most High." Moses is called elohim/theos at exodus Ch.7:1KJV"And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. " Angels are called gods: psalms ch.8:5KJV"For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour." Any good interlinear would show elohim as the Hebrew rendered angels. So Logos being God minus the definite article does not establish him as equally God as the God he was with especially since the God he was with I.e his God and Father is the ONLY one ever referred to as the MOST HIGH God. See Luke ch.1:32
Isaiah 43:10 is a prophecy about JWs in these last days. They declare: 'that I am the SAME ONE. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none.' Jesus and the Holy spirit were additions to God by the apostasy. Romans 1:25 They exchanged the truth of God for the lie and venerated and rendered sacred service to the creation rather than the Creator, who is praised forever.
How is that possible since verse 14 talks about the chaldeans, who don’t exist anymore. There is no evidence this is a prophecy about a religion that originated from Brooklyn New York. You have to prove it.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry: A PROPHECY is about a FUTURE event. Who are Jehovah's Witnesses if not JWs? Who else is declaring that God has never changed (cf Malachi 3:6). Read Isaiah 43:10 carefully.
@@misterauctor7353 : Read Isaiah 43:10 carefully. It is a prophecy. Verse 21 The people whom I formed for myself So that they might declare my praise. 22 But you have not called on me, O Jacob, Because you grew weary of me, O Israel. People who grew weary of God cannot be his Witnesses, can they. JWs replaced the Jews as God's people. (Hosea 2:23) I will sow her like seed for myself in the earth, And I will show mercy to her who was not shown mercy; I will say to those NOT MY PEOPLE: “YOU ARE MY PEOPLE,” And they will say: “You are my God.”’”
@@jimjuri6490 Seriously Jim, Rutherford came up with that name, this is the same Rutherford who had the Watchtower pay for 2 and I mean TWO Cadillacs that he was chauffeur driven around during the Great Depression whilst everyone was homeless Jobless and starving. This same Rutherford also said in a prophecy "Millions now living will never die" and that Armageddon would definitely occur in 1925. How about that prophecy by the same author Jim ? Are those "Millions now living" still living or are they all dead Jim ??????????. Did Abraham Isaac and Jacob return to San Diego in 1925 as Rutherford (Your Prophet) said they would ???? Hmmmm. Checkmate Jimbo.
Interesting video! In 1974 I found 2 important scriptures: Hosea 6:2 - which can be understood after reading 2 Peter 3:8. Real message: After 2000 years will He (Jesus) revive us, during the next 1000 years we (the 144,000) will live before Him. Meaning: Jesus will return within 2030-2033!
If the trinity is 3 persons in one divine nature, it’s mean that the one divine nature is the all mighty God. So Why the person on Earth Jehovah/Yahweh claims to be the all mighty God? (gen 17:1) When Jehovah made his alliance with Abraham, he swore on his name. Genesis 22:16 « and said, By myself have I sworn, saith Jehovah, because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son, » ASV So we know that Jehovah on Earth claims to be the all mighty God, he even swear on his own name. But you would said that it only come from the OT. But even after Jesus came to Earth, Paul wrote this in Hebrew 6:13: « For when God made promise to Abraham, since he could swear by none greater, he sware by himself, » ASV So, if nobody is greater than Jehovah the All mighty God of Abraham, confirmed and accepted by Paul aspotle of Christ , It’s clear that Jehovah is the only one true God of Israël (Deuteronomy 6:4) and thereafter the only one true God of all the nation, confirmed by Jesus Christ in the book of Mark 12:29 : « Jesus replied, “The most important commandment is this: ‘Listen, O Israel! The LORD our God is the one and only LORD. » NLT
Just have to keep going.... love this study! Jesus himself said there are many gods and many lords. These words are titles. The descriptive term God in Hebrew (ʼEl) and God or Gods -plural ( ʼe·limʹ and elo·himʹ) come from a root meaning - Mighty or Strong one or Powerful one - In many cases when the definite article is used (ha·ʼElʹ, literally, “the God”) this differentiates Jehovah the true sovereign and creator from other Gods - -Ge 46:3; 2Sa 22:31 Some Gods or gods are loyal to the true God (Yahweh) and are like Jesus and are of course righteous. Thus loyal Angels are called gods. Many times, according to context a god is false in comparison to Jehovah and is an evil god like Satan (2 Cor 4:4) and also false gods that are not real but only figments of imagination in false religion like Baal worship (in context when comparing to the true and almighty God Jehovah). Context correctly applied with a scriptural passage using the word God or gods tells us in what way the title God or Lord is used. Also, even a human can be a Lord or God as human judges in Israel as Jesus likened them - Context...context....context! see Ps 86:8 - 1 Cor 8:5-6 - Gen 18:12 - Ex 22:28 - Ex 15:11 - Ex 12:12 - Ps 96:5 (Ps 82:1,6 and quote from Jesus in John 10:34,35) The usual Greek equivalent of ʼEl and ʼElo·himʹ in the Septuagint translation and the word for “God” or “gods” in the Christian Greek Scriptures is The·osʹ. and Theoí. The American Journal of Semitic Languages and Literatures, Vol. XXI, 1905, p. 208. says: [ʼElo·himʹ] (as applied to the God of Israel) is especially shown by the fact that it is almost invariably construed with a singular verbal predicate, and takes a singular adjectival attribute. . . . [ʼElo·himʹ] must rather be explained as an intensive plural, denoting greatness and majesty, being equal to The Great God.”- So Yahweh is not two people in one. but he is majestic as the Almighty! At Psalm 8:5, the angels are also referred to as ʼelo·himʹ, as is confirmed by Paul’s quotation of the passage at Hebrews 2:6-8. They are called benehʹ ha·ʼElo·himʹ, “sons of God” (KJ); “sons of the true God” (NW), at Genesis 6:2, 4; Job 1:6; 2:1. Lexicon in Veteris Testamenti Libros, by Koehler and Baumgartner (1958), page 134, says: “(individual) divine beings, gods.” And page 51 says: “the (single) gods,” and it cites Genesis 6:2; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7. Hence, at Psalm 8:5 ʼelo·himʹ is rendered “angels” (LXX); “godlike ones” so NWT does as well. Food for thought for honest and real truth seekers who are on the side of Jesus truthful teachings - John 4:24 - John 18:37 Have a nice day 😊
the Bible uses the words MADE for Jesus, Acts 2:36, EGENETO which means COME INTO BEING OR MADE - Mat 21, which is the EXACT WORD used for the other creations in JOhn 1:3, and also PRODUCED/CREATED as Wisdom Prov 8, and GIVEN LIFE in John 5:26, and those terms are used for a CREATION, even Jesus ADMITTED, I LIVE BECAUSE OF THE FATHER - John 6:57. Even COL 1 which uses the words DIA - A CHANNEL OF AN ACT AND EN- instrumentality.
Great video. Jesus created ALL things. Cross reference to Genesis 1:1 " in the beginning God created the heav be and the earth " Yet Jesus created ALL things. Jesus is God
Isa 9:6 which called Jesus as SAR WHICH means in Hebrew PATRON ANGEL. Also the Bible uses the words MADE for Jesus, Acts 2:36, EGENETO which means COME INTO BEING OR MADE - Mat 21, which is the EXACT WORD used for the other creations in JOhn 1:3, and also PRODUCED/CREATED as Wisdom Prov 8, and GIVEN LIFE in John 5:26, and those terms are used for a CREATION, even Jesus ADMITTED, I LIVE BECAUSE OF THE FATHER - John 6:57. Even COL 1 which uses the words DIA - A CHANNEL OF AN ACT AND EN- instrumentality.
Go therefore into all the earth baptizing them in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. As the video states, if you deny the Son is God then you deny thr Spirit is God too. both of whom are identigied in Scripture as God. This video explains a lot of logical fallcies and contradictions that come when you deny Jesus as God. Pointing out what Paul says that there is one God and one Lord and then pointing out that the Father is truly Lord shows your attention to detail. As well your dismbiguation of John 17:3 really hit the nail on thr head. The "and" in the verse is a key word. Jesus Christ is always lumped in with the Farher in everything, no where is it seen more than Revelation. For instance Revelation 20:6 says and they shall be priests of God and His Christ and they shall reign for a thousand years. Who are they priests of? Of God AND Jesus Christ. Priestly service is devotion and service that can only rightly be given to God.
If anyone believes that Jesus was God, that will not help such a person get everlasting life. Those who wish to qualify for everlasting life must believe the following. (1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father,
IF ALL ELSE FAILS, LOOK AT THE TRINITY EMBOLEM. THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER. as Jerry springer says ,,,, Jesus is NOT the father !
Wow!! Dude, are you that blind? Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine is found nowhere in the scriptures. Nothing you say changes that. It's a false doctrine.
I would not usually reply to your video as you have asked this question over and over. I find this very strange how many of the Trinity people spend so much time trying to prove this concept. I do not see many JW's spending so much time asking the same old question about the oneness of Jehovah. Maybe they are far more secure about what they teach, that they have moved on with the real message of our preaching work ! So let's look at the teaching of the Trinity which is that all three are: Co-equal, co-eternal and co-omniscient. So the first point: Co-equal, Jesus said "the father is greater than I am" so a true Christian being a follower of Jesus, the son of God will listen and accept what he says. Anyone who contradicts what Jesus himself said is not following Jesus. So, now it is YOUR turn, please can you show us where Jesus said that all three are EQUAL ? Can you show us where any of the Bible writers stated that all three are equal ? Can you show us from the Bible where it says that the holy spirit is God and is equal to God ? Please give your witness . As for the Holy spirit being a person you have it so wrong, Gen 1 tells us that it was God's "holy spirit" that was moving over the surface of the earth, and it is NOT a person. The Bible writers told us about the holy spirit and how "It" would teach us, have you ever heard of a person being called an "It" ? You do not refer to a person as an "It" If you were to go back to the time of Abraham, and talk to him, do you honestly think that after reading Gen 1 he would have concluded thatGod was made up of that time of two persons, one being Yehovah and the other being the holy spirit? Abraham did not say "listen oh Israel, you God Yehovah is two Gods in one, now did he ! That is why the Jews laugh at you Trinity people because they know the Hebrew language and they know that the holy spirit is not a person. In the Bible, the word “spirit” is translated from the Hebrew word ruʹach and the Greek word pneuʹma. Most often, those words refer to God’s active force, or holy spirit. By referring to God’s spirit as his “hands,” “fingers,” or “breath,” the Bible shows that the holy spirit is not a person. And according to Vines Bible Dictionary, These meanings all share the sense of something invisible to humans that produces visible effects. Similarly, the spirit of God, “like the wind, is invisible, immaterial and powerful.”-An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, by W. E. Vine Misconception: Jesus’ apostles and other early disciples believed that the holy spirit was a person. Fact: The Bible does not say that, nor does history. The Encyclopædia Britannica states: “The definition that the Holy Spirit was a distinct divine Person . . . came at the Council of Constantinople in ad 381.” This was over 250 years after the last of the apostles had died. When YOU stand before God, and like the apostle Stephen, you see Jesus sitting at God's right hand and see NO Holy spirit sitting there, then you will then realise that you have been duped by God's enemy. Why wait until then ! The Trinity really is like knocking square pegs into round holes. Don't let pride of being wrong stop you from being corrected by the almighty Yehovah, the one who is the God and father of our Lord Jesus Eph 1:3
The new world bible! The undeserved kindness of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the sharing in the Holy Spirit be with all of you 2 Corinthians chapter 13 verse 14
Is this to mean that every time three of something or someone is mentions it constitutes a Trinity? The THREE apostles who accompanied Jesus to the Mountain for instance. Note the scripture. The KINDNESS of Jesus. The LOVE of God. The SHARING of the holy spirit. The kindness or the waiter. The love shown by the owner of the Restaurant. The sharing of the food. Don't these show totally separate things?
KEEP IT SIMPLE !!! Jesus was worshipped 10 times in the KJV New Testament ! 10 TIMES !!! All 4 gospel writers record Jesus being worshipped ! Jesus received that worship , and can’t be an angel !!!
In Isa 9:6 it uses the word SAR for Jesus and SAR (translated as Prince can also mean in Hebrew as PATRON ANGEL) which is the EXACT same word used in Dan 12:1 for the Archangel who is called the GREAT SAR, Pls tell if another angel is GREATER (another meaning of that word) than Jesus as SAR? What will this archangel do in Dan 12:1-2. he WILL STAND UP for GOD's people? what was the result after he did that? those people escaped, the ones in the book of life, and the resurrection followed. You think another angel is responsible for those (resurrection and saving people) ? and you think that that archangel just STAND UP AND DID NOTHING? Jesus will also STAND UP for GOD's people acc to Micah 5:4. Did he do nothing? Now re: Dan 10:13, the Hebrew word if you look at the Hebrew Interlinear or Hebrew, you can use bible hub, says LITERALLY, MICHAEL/one/[of] the Princes/Chief/came ... So, it literally means Michael One The Princes' Chief or in other words Michael is ONE CHIEF [also means BEGINNING] of the Princes, the word OF is for the Princes and NOT for the word chief, so Michael there is literally the ONE CHIEF/ONE BEGINNING of the Princes. Also, re: Jude, just rebuking today and then NOT REBUKING the previous day DOES NOT CHANGE the IDENTITY OF A PERSON
Genesis 35:1,NWT .Then God (Jehovah)said to Jacob,go and build an alter to the TRUE God(Jehovah)who appeared to you when you were running from your Brother Esau.
Oh just saw your video. Fascinating….I think you could convince someone that the blue sky is yellow while they are looking at it. Very interestingly, you seem to ignore the words “FROM” and “THROUGH” in verses like 1 Cor 8:6. Those are the CRUCIAL words! Pretty clear why as there is a very big difference between being the cause of something and working through someone else to accomplish it. John 1:3, 10 and Col 1:16 also both say that all things were made THROUGH Jesus. These verses teach clearly that ALL THINGS were made THROUGH Jesus. But all things came FROM God. So the power to create came from God the Father. Jesus was the agent that God worked THROUGH to create. Jesus is not the source of that power as it went through him not from him. The FROM is of God only. Very obvious! Of course, the Bible only ever calls God the creator and nowhere does it call Jesus/Christ/The Son/The Word the creator. Also, Jesus never called himself the creator, but he did give credit to the one who did create man and woman in Matt 19:4-6. He did not say he created man and woman. But God his father used his powerful spirit to create the earth and humans - see Gen 1:2 - Ps 33:6 - Mark 13:19 But then we have the Athanasian Creed (foundation for the Trinity dogma created approx 350 yrs. after Bible finished) that says in part: "............And in this Trinity none is before, or after another; none is greater, or less than another. But the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal. So that in all things, as aforesaid; the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, let him thus think of the Trinity..........." So does Jesus himself state that he is coequal to God the Father? Also who or what should be worshipped according to Jesus? Lets see shall we? John 14:28 - Who did Jesus’ say is greater? Answer - God John 17:1-3 - When praying to the Father who did Jesus say is the only true God? Answer - You, the only true God John 17:3 - Jesus said, what actually means everlasting life? Answer - Knowing the only true God and his son Jesus John 17:2 - Who gave Jesus' authority according to Jesus? Answer - The Father Matt 4:10 - Who did Jesus say should be worshipped? Answer - It is written: It is Yahweh our God you must worship (or English form Jehovah as Jesus quoted from Deut 6:13 which included the Tetragrammaton, So if Jesus is quoting then he’s using Gods divine name) Matt 4:4 - Who’s word must man live on according to Jesus? Answer - It is written on every word from Jehovah’s mouth (Jesus quoting Deut 8:3) Matt 4:7 - Who did Jesus say we should not put to the test? Answer - It is written: You must not put Jehovah your God to the test (Jesus quoting Deut 6:16) John 17:25-26 - What name did Jesus say he came to make known? Answer - His Father’s name Matt 6:9 - Who did Jesus, when he was on earth, say we must pray to? Answer - The Father in the heavens Matt 6:9-12 - Who did Jesus pray to? Answer - His father John 20:17 - Who is Jesus God? Answer - His Father and God, and our Father and God John 4:23-24 - Who should the true worshipers worship? Answer - The Father John 3:16 - Who did Jesus say God gave to save the world? - Answer - The son (Jesus) John 6:38-40 - Who sent Jesus to earth? Answer - The Father Who was Jesus obedient to so as to be sent from heaven? - Answer - the Father Who’s will does Jesus do? Answer - the Father We can go on and on…… but who did Jesus say is greater in all of this and from only a sampling of verses. Well right from Jesus’ mouth he makes clear (from what I read) that he is saying he is always subservient to God and his father Jehovah always. There is no Trinity dogma in Jesus own teaching about himself. If you want to believe that means something else but putting some theological spin to Jesus words then …..well….. its up to you. But shouldn’t we just believe Jesus words which are in fact the Fathers words - John 14:23 and John 15:10 Do other Bible writers agree that God the Father is greater than Jesus? Also was Jesus created? I Cor 11:3 - The Apostle Paul wrote well after Jesus resurrection to heaven that just as the head of man is the Christ then the head of Christ is God 1 Cor 15:24-28 - Paul wrote that God subjected all things to Jesus with the exception of himself. Also when Jesus, as King of Gods Kingdom, destroys all Government and authority and death (all Satan’s works) then Jesus will submit himself to his Father and hand back the Kingdom to his God and Father so that God will be all things to everyone. Rev 3:14 - John wrote that Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God. So first in order of created beings. This confirms that the expression firstborn of creation applied to Jesus in Col 1:15 is referring to the customary use of the word firstborn in the entire Bible. This simply means first in order such as in a family of sons and even amongst animals - see 1 Chron 8:1 - Ex 12:2 - Gen 25:33 - 1 Chron 5:1 Seven of the eight occurrences of the Greek term for “firstborn” (pro·toʹto·kos) in the Greek scriptures refer to Jesus. The usual Scriptural meaning of the term “firstborn” is the one born first in order of time, such as a firstborn child. Because Jesus was “the firstborn” child of Mary, he was presented at the temple in accordance with Jehovah’s Law - see Lu 2:7, 22, 23; Mt 1:25. At Col 1:18 The same Greek word is used of Jesus, “the firstborn from the dead,” that is, first resurrection to spirit life heaven in order of time - see also Rev 1:5. Likewise, in the Hebrew Scriptures, the expression “firstborn” is most often used in the sense of “the oldest son of a father.” The same Greek word occurs in the Septuagint at Ge 49:3, where Jacob says: “Reuben, you are my firstborn.” Of course, Jesus is preeminent in rank amongst all created beings. But firstborn is not used in that way and there is no basis for the claim that the term “firstborn” in relation to Jesus in Col 1:15 is different from its usual meaning in the Bible as Rev 3:14 confirms with the word "beginning". Regarding Ps 89:18-20 and 27 this is a actually a prophetic reference from Yahweh about his firstborn son Jesus (the Messiah) who is the greater David. It’s not literally referring to David. In confirmation of this Ezekiel 34: 24 which was written well after David’s death, God called the Messiah “my servant David” Its figurative an poetic. Context!! Interestingly only Jesus is ever referred to as firstborn and never God or the Holy spirit. If they are all equal and firstborn only means preeminent then they should all be called firstborn! Come to think of it only Jesus is called the beginning of the creation of God. The others are also not even mentioned in this way as well. Yep (Yahweh) Jehovah is Almighty God - Jesus is his firstborn son so was created by his father (his father gave him life) Jesus is the 2nd most powerful being in the universe so is a mighty God (Isa 9:6) but is only ever pictured at the Almighty Gods right hand as his father will always be Almighty God the sovereign - please read again 1 Cor 15:24-28 and also read Acts 7:56 - Rom 8:34 Have a nice day 😊
didn't watch all of this...just find it interesting how people can read a scripture and make it say anything they are prediposed to believe instead of taking it for what it actually says. So you just explained God has split personality.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry I may watch it but it is already so far out from what I believe the Bible to really teach that is seems a waste of time. I have NEVER Believed and won't ever believe that Jesus ( Son ) and God ( Father) are the same person.
Jehovah God's Glory The Two Witnesses! Elijah - Song of the Lamb Moses - Song of Moses Matthew 16:27-28 Son of man is to come in the glory of his Father with his angels. Christ in His glory on the Mount of Transfiguration which begins in the very next verse (17:1). Here Christ does literally appear in a glorified form, and some of His apostles are there to witness the occasion, namely Peter, James, and John. This transfiguration experience, of course, was only a foretaste of His Second Coming when all believers will see Him come in power and great glory (cf. Acts 1:11; Rev. 1:7). Matthew 17:1 Six days later Jesus took Peter and James and his brother John along and led them up into a lofty mountain by themselves. 2 And he was transfigured before them; his face shone as the sun, and his outer garments became brilliant as the light. 3 And look! there appeared to them Moses and E·liʹjah conversing with him.
Jesus is the head of the true congregation of Jehovah God! The two witnesses are the two olive trees and two lampstands. A lampstand represents the true Congregation of Christ (Rev 1), and an olive tree also represents God's people (Rom 11). The link between the two is that as the Congregation walks in obedience they bear fruit (olives) which provides the oil which keeps their lamp lit. The two witnesses are therefore two obedient groups,one that will walk in the spirit and power of Elijah and one that will walk in the spirit and power of Moses.
The Song of Moses! Jehovah's Witnesses are the voice in the wilderness. But people are upset . They listened to the voice and was baptized. Was the Nation of Israel upset because they was baptized crossing the Red Sea. They didn't even know how much Jehovah loved them. Revelation 21:4 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes... no more,... mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” The Gentile Times. Jehovah's Witnesses use prophetic year for Gentile Times to arrive at 1914 for last days of a 120 years. For the Elijah to arrive first. This is how they have over lapping generations. 1914 + 120 is 2034. The Gentile Times by history is 1934 . A generation to the God of Abraham is 100 years. 1934 + 100 is 2034 also. Then back up for the 42 months (2030) or 7 year tribulation. 2023! Also by Jehovah's Witnesses using the prophetic year of the Bible. Adam was created 4026 bce. - 4026 bce + 6000 is 1974. But to enter into Jehovah's rest. Is 60 years. Jehovah said they would die in the wilderness from age 20 and up. So 40 years plus 20 is 60 years. 1974 plus 60 years is 2034 also. Jehovah then said to Moses and Aaron: 27 “How much longer will this evil assembly keep up this murmuring against me? I have heard what the Israelites are murmuring against me. 28 Say to them, ‘“As surely as I live,” declares Jehovah, “I will do to you just what I have heard you speak! 29 In this wilderness your corpses will fall, yes, the whole number of you from 20 years old and up who were registered, all of you who have murmured against me. Hebrews 3:9 where your forefathers put me to the test and tried me, despite seeing my works for 40 years. 10 This is why I became disgusted with this generation and said: ‘They always go astray in their hearts, and they have not come to know my ways.’ 11 So I swore in my anger: ‘They will not enter into my rest.’” Hebrews 4:2 For we who have exercised faith do enter into the rest, just as he has said: “So I swore in my anger, ‘They will not enter into my rest,’” although his works were finished from the founding of the world. 4 For in one place he has said of the seventh day as follows: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works,” 5 and here again he says: “They will not enter into my rest.” 6 Therefore, since it remains for some to enter into it, and those to whom the good news was first declared did not enter in because of disobedience, 7 he again marks off a certain day by saying long afterward in David’s psalm, “Today”; just as it has been said above, “Today if you listen to his voice, do not harden your hearts.” 8 For if Joshua had led them into a place of rest, God would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 So there remains a sabbath-rest for the people of God. 10 For the man who has entered into God’s rest has also rested from his own works, just as God did from his own. 11 Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest, so that no one may fall into the same pattern of disobedience. 14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold on to our public declaration of him.
The 7 year tribulation had begun! Joel 2:15 Blow a horn in Zion! Proclaim a fast; call for a solemn assembly. 16 Gather the people; sanctify the congregation. Collect the old men; gather the children and nursing infants. Let the bridegroom go out from his inner chamber, and the bride from her bridal chamber. The conclusion of the preaching and disciple-making work means that the harvest phase begins. And during the harvest all the sons of the Kingdom are gathered into the storehouse; thus, precluding any more preaching and teaching. The final witness work will not be a message of salvation - but of certain doom for Satan’s world.
Jesus has a god. Prays to his god ascends to his god. Revelation 3:2 and 3:12 Jesus says My God 5 times!!!!! My God My God why have you forsaken me!!!!!
Nope. This is Jesus talking, saying that he is the one who reads the heart and mind. 1 King 8:39, only YWHW knows the heart. How do you reconcile that?@@dazzadizzy5308
@@LightoverDarkMinistry YHWH knows yes , well I read there Jesus "searches" the minds and hearts so doesn't know does he? I also read in verse 27 where Jesus received his authority.
@@dazzadizzy5308 Greek word used is for examining, knowing. Yes, Word because flesh, was in a servant state, then was given back the authority, now as fully God and fully man. Let’s go back to verse 23, as the word doesn’t help the case, so how do you reconcile it.
If GOD is three persons and all are named JEHOVAH, and if you see them in front of you, count one by one, how MANY JEHOVAH do you see? that is THREE JEHOVAH, and Deut 6:4 says JEHOVAH IS ONE JEHOVAH. and THAT IS NOT THREE JEHOVAH
RE:Heb 1:8 - Psalms 45:9 refers to a human king who has ladies of honor and royal CONSORT/SPOUSE. psalms 45:6 INITIALLY was applied to a human king with a wife and that also was applied to Jesus. the better translation is GOD IS YOUR THRONE, as GOD has no other GOD who was a human king with a WIFE and ladies of honor. the Hebrew Interlinear actually shows the correct order and transliteration as it shows literally , Your throne is /God/Forever/and ever
I looked at the Hebrew interlinear here: scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/psa45.pdf and it says "Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom [is] a right sceptre. " Where did you find "Your throne is /God/Forever/and ever"?
With all your comments here you have only exposed that your christianity is a fraud. Repent, and learn what the truth, the gospel, and the Christianity of the Bible actually is.
This is so beautifully done. I’ve been making a notebook of notations of the JW false doctrines (and also true Scripture to counter) to witness to my dad and I’m going to take pictures of the screenshots of ypur wonderful slides and add them in my notebook to present to him. Thank you so much for your work!!!!. God bless you and all glory to the Father, Christ and the Holy Spirit!!!!
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
Jesus is Lord God Almighty clothed in unsinful humanity and He is the author of *eternal life* to all who trust Him alone for salvation 💓. He paid for all the sins of all the world at the cross (past, present, and future). That payment is put to your account when you have believed on Christ alone for salvation 💐💖💐💖. *This means that saving repentance is realizing that you are a sinner deserving of God's just punishment in Hell and turn (repent) from whatever you trusted in before, if indeed you trusted in anything; to trusting in the person and finished work of Christ alone for salvation.*
Man does it sadden me to see how many people in the comments copy and paste the same low-tier arguments that you even address in this exact video as if they are saying something new/creative/insightful. Thank you for being more patient than I would be in your role. I pray that God continues to use you to spread his good news to those who need it
What is a low tier argument? Is Jesus claiming to be a MAN and a Prophet OF GOD be one? (John 8:40) But now you are seeking to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. (Matthew 23:37) “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets When someone takes on God's people with a Roman Catholic teaching called the Trinity, there is bound to be repercussions. Literary-wise.
"Trinity" is not in the Bible" God's "active force" is not jn the Bible either. God's Spirit does not accurately translate to God's "active force". Their Bible starts out wrong to begin with.
jws please address point at 1:05 if the Trinity comes from the mind of the devil Why does the 1981 watchtower magazine article page 29 state the following:
They say that it is sufficient to read the Bible exclusively, either alone or in small groups at home. But, strangely, through such ‘Bible reading,’ they have reverted right back to the apostate doctrines that commentaries by Christendom’s clergy were teaching 100 years ago, end quote. what is this apostate doctrine the bible teaches according to watchtower.
points from 4:05 to 17:56 the governing body themselves would run.
Babylonia
"The ancient Babylonians recognised the doctrine of a trinity, or three persons in one god-as appears from a composite god with three heads forming part of their mythology, and the use of the equilateral triangle, also, as an emblem of such trinity in unity" (Thomas Dennis Rock, The Mystical Woman and the Cities of the Nations, 1867, pp. 22-23).
@@Mr.DC3.1914 MrDC3 my question pertains to the watchtower claim that Bible reading people without the guidance of the governing body will revert back to a doctrine of satan.
is the watchtower saying in this article the Holy Scriptures teach this false doctrine? are you in agreement with them on this
you have the mic sir
Sheesh; great job. I used to give the Trinity talk as a former Elder. I used to love giving that talk to “debunk” the Trinity doctrine.
That initial definition u gave at the outset is in that talk, except it doesn’t quote the entire definition, only partial. All of the references given in that talk were either from apologist or worst yet, partially quoted.
As I started reading the Bible on my own, cross referencing scriptures from the Old Testament to the New, seeing descriptions used for Jesus, seeing how His disciples baptized in his name, plus getting an accurate definition and gist of what the Trinity really is, I was astonished.
This video drove home many points via scripture. And u’re so right about false religion; JWs own Governing Body say that Jesus is their leader, yet tell its members that He’s not their mediator & the only way they can gain salvation is based upon obeying them & how they are treated as Christ’s brothers.
Have you said no to the God of Jesus?
Although it is of course true that the JW's have nothing to do with the Bibles Christianity, they are however correct about there not being a trinity. The trinity is a false manmade CONcept. Just as the JW's are completely apostate from God so too is anyone who believes in a trinity.
@@bretherenlee1404No, but ur Governing Body has been disrespecting His Son with an unscriptural remembrance of Him, teaching its members that He’s not their Mediator, & that salvation comes from ur obedience and affiliation. Pls don’t go down this rabbit hole w/ me, b/c I will light u up w/ every single literature printed from 07/1879 to current exposing the truth about this religion.
@@bygeorgehemayberite8385 are you here saying no to the trinity and yes to the God of Jesus? Are you here giving a thumbs down to christmas and easter and other things not in the bible?
We know the Watchtowers are wrong about how they conduct the Memorial and their teaching of Jesus just being a Mediator for a few. Does that mean that you will join in and destroy the trinity which also is not in the bible?
@@bretherenlee1404Clearly u haven’t watched the video, & clearly u don’t know what the definition of Trinity really implies. The word Trinity is not found in the Bible, however are their Two Almighty Gods? Are their Two Alpha & Omegas? Are their two “I ams?” Are their Two Mighty Gods? Either the answer is yes or no. If it’s Yes, then that contradicts the entire Bible. If the answer is no, then maybe the nature of God is something u need to further examine.
So often men have put a cap on what God is, can do, etc. Why? B/c men have placed themselves as the mouthpiece of Him vs. just reading the Bible. The Bible interprets itself, it doesn’t need outside spokespeople to say what it means. This video was completely littered with scriptural passages.
I have no idea why u brought up those other items, & I’m assuming u thought u made a point w/ it. How about this; how about u listen to this video, read all the passages presented, read them in full context & draw ur own conclusions.
Sadly, JWs are more interested in defending their beliefs than learning the truth revealed in the Bible.
Because JWs are a cult.
Their more interested in growing beards these days 😂
Oh! Really?? Well I'm not a Jehovah's Witness but just like your churches that I've attended, I've attended theirs too. So what truth do you think they don't believe in that's in the Bible. Because while I'm not a Jehovah's Witness, I have extensive knowledge of what the scriptures say. I spent 5 years in prison and all I did was read my Bible's (all 5 of them) every single day from 7:30 in the morning to 5:00 in the afternoon. So what truth do they not believe in that's in the Bible. Because I promise you that I'm about to show you some truths that you're gonna deny and reject. I guarantee it. But please do explain the truths that the don't believe in.
@@ScottRock-mr6qk
Grow a spine and admit it that you are part of them, NOBODY will ever defend a non christian denomination if he/she is not part of them.
really where is the world trinity where anywhere in scripture and how come it can be shown to be a man made doctine goole it study it dont just belive it cos your told too
It's only logical that the JWs are wrong on the Trinity. The 5 "translators" of the New World Translation couldn't read Hebrew or Greek. Not one of them
One "translator" of the NWT (George Gangas)had as a qualification to translate the bible was his vast experience at flipping burgers at a local diner, prior to joining the JWs. No schooling in Hebrew or Koine Greek,
The WT also claim another member of the NWT (Fred Franz) to be “Frederick W. Franz . . . an eminent Bible scholar”
WT 8/1/1977, p. 463”
AND
“Frederick Franz, a scholar of Hebrew, Greek, Syriac, and Latin FAITH MARCH, p. 182”
And yet the WT advised that our friend Freddie Franz never completed University.
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SO FREDDIE FRANZ IS THE ONLY PERSON IN HISTORY TO BE A SCHOLAR OF THE LANGUAGES HE COULDN'T READ OR TRANSLATE.
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If the WT can't define what a Scholar is, how can they get the definition of the Trinity correct.
The trinity is pagan in origin and has no merit in the Bible at all. Why?? Because there was No trinity in the Old Testament and he says in Malachi that I am the LORD and I do not change and yet two pages later, oh look he changed and is now three are one. No! That's not my God and never will be because he DOES NOT LIE! And you people of the trinity doctrine think that he did lie because he changed. No sir. And I know the trinity doctrine. It states that all three are equal and all three are all-knowing. So if the trinity is true then why does Jesus say at Mark 13:32 Heaven and earth are passing away, but my words will by no means pass away. Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, Not the Angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Soooo If all three are equal and all three are all-knowing why then doesn't Jesus know when Heaven and earth are passing away??? If he's equal to the Father then why doesn't he know??? And where is the Holy Spirit?? Why isn't he mentioned here?? But we'll leave the H.S. out of this. You can explain to me why Jesus doesn't know when Heaven and earth are passing away if they are all equal and all are all-knowing????? You know why?? Because they aren't equal and they aren't all-knowing because Jesus is below God Almighty. That's why and that makes your trinity doctrine have a kink in it. Huh!
@@ScottRock-mr6qk Dear "Scott on the Rocks" you make the claim the the Trinity is pagan in origin.
Please provide 5 actual scholars that are peer reviewed that are experts in church history to confirm your silly claim.
That 5 scholars Scott, not your opinion.
Please don't quote from the WT either as that would be circular reasoning.
So go and get me these 5 scholars who are peer reviewed in this area and get back to me.
Happy hunting Scott, you'll be gone a long time.
Maybe your little imaginary supposition about the Trinity and its pagan origin will also be "on the Rocks".
I wish you all the best.
BTW, can you get me the qualifications of ALL the NWT translation committee.
Check.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
@@RowanTasmanian Babylonia
"The ancient Babylonians recognised the doctrine of a trinity, or three persons in one god-as appears from a composite god with three heads forming part of their mythology, and the use of the equilateral triangle, also, as an emblem of such trinity in unity" (Thomas Dennis Rock, The Mystical Woman and the Cities of the Nations, 1867, pp. 22-23).
@RowanTasmanian Here's two Roweine.
As Bible scholars John McClintock and James Strong explain: "Towards the end of the 1st century, and during the 2d, many learned men came over both from Judaism and paganism to Christianity. These brought with them into the Christian schools of theology their Platonic ideas and phraseology" (Cyclopaedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, 1891, Vol. 10, "Trinity," p. 553).
Dont worry, I'll get you three more by days end, right now i have something else more pressing than talking with a trinitrian to think about. Fear not Rewenie. I'll get them for you.
New PIMO here. Still trying to figure this out. Not quite convinced. But I appreciate the video. Thank you.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
If you have any questions, I'd be happy to help. If you are looking for a good book, I suggest "Putting Jesus in his Place" by Robert Bowman.
Don't listen to all these "doctrines" that people are simply repeating. - Get a regular Bible, read the New Testament, and ask God to give you wisdom and reveal His truth to you.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth PLAIN AND SIMPLE and yet you cannot understand - WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
Even Origen called Jesus as the most ancient of all the works of creation ------For the holy Scriptures know Him to be the most ancient of all the works of creation. nOTICE , MOST ANCIENT of ALL THE WORKS OF CREATION.. thus Jesus was part of the creation and he was the most ancient, the eldest, the first in time of that group
Even Origen called Jesus as the most ancient of all the works of creation ------For the holy Scriptures know Him to be the most ancient of all the works of creation. nOTICE , MOST ANCIENT of ALL THE WORKS OF CREATION.. thus Jesus was part of the creation and he was the most ancient, the eldest, the first in time of that group
Another verse demonstrating that Jesus and the Father are equal is Hebrew 1:4. John 14:28 speaks of the Father being 'greater' [status, position, rank, quantatively] and Hebrews 1:4 speaks of Jesus being 'better' than the angels - speaking of His substance [essence, being, qualititively].
You use a verse that points to the Father being greater and you say it demonstrates Jesus and the father are equal? What's wrong with you people? You have the whole world laughing.
@@steadyflow3790 I take it you not DON'T only understand basic biblical exegesis [you attempt a failed character assassination, but offer no proofs] but that you a JW and a lover of heretical teachings.
@@Spartanthermopylae 🤣 Go get an education.
@@steadyflow3790 More insults. No answers. Another false teacher!!! Thanks for confirming that for all the people on this site.
@@steadyflow3790 It looks like you can't make a distinction between Jesus as a human, speaking as a human (John 14:28, in His Incarnation) and Jesus, as God Hebrews 1:4).
I have been trying to convince my parents for a long time and made many overviews. But your video is just straight to the point with tons of evidence. Thank you for that!
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
Mr.DC3.1914 has a screw loose. I do not suggest engaging with him.
If you are looking for some scholarly books on the Trinity, I suggest reading some stuff by Fred Sanders. God bless.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth I quoted ALL FROM THE BIBLE, and you just attack me just because I refuted you and you think that 1=66. O MY.
Even Origen called Jesus as the most ancient of all the works of creation ------For the holy Scriptures know Him to be the most ancient of all the works of creation. nOTICE , MOST ANCIENT of ALL THE WORKS OF CREATION.. thus Jesus was part of the creation and he was the most ancient, the eldest, the first in time of that group
Even Origen called Jesus as the most ancient of all the works of creation ------For the holy Scriptures know Him to be the most ancient of all the works of creation. nOTICE , MOST ANCIENT of ALL THE WORKS OF CREATION.. thus Jesus was part of the creation and he was the most ancient, the eldest, the first in time of that group
@@Mr.DC3.1914 and why should we listen to Origen? What makes him know it all?
Thank you so much man! U r really helping alot! ❤
Jehovah has never been seen by any human.
Yes, and Jesus stated that God is a spirit..John 4: 23, 24.
Trinitarians contradict Jesus , and state that Jesus is God Man, and add flesh to God's spirit.
Jesus clearly taught that God id a Spirit and not Flesh and Spirit.
God is a spirit....that's why no man can see God .
Jesus also taught me, that the true worshippers would be worshipping the Father! The Father is not Jesus.
" Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him.+ 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.”
Trinitarians worship God's chosen servant-his only begotten son, instead of whom Jesus directed us to worship- his God and Father. ( Isaiah 42: 1 )
Christian regards, and praised be the God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ-2 Corinthians 1: 3.
@@celticmarmite6048God is one Spirit being.
I have over 35 verses proving that Jesus is Lord God Almighty clothed in unsinful humanity.
You've got nothing.
@@celticmarmite6048 "Jesus is God Man, and add flesh to God's spirit." Further proof that you don't understand what Trinitarians believe.
@@celticmarmite6048 "he Father is not Jesus." That's correct. Did You know that Jesus admits He was worshipped in the NWT?
@@Spartanthermopylae There are no texts where Jesus admits he was worshipped.
Does John 14:28 prove the trinity belief is a lie? Absolutely. Please consider. The trinity teaching, which is based on the man-made Athanasian Creed, says: "And in this Trinity none is afore or after Other, None is greater or less than Another, but the whole Three Persons are Co-equal. The AC contradicts John 14:28 by saying the Father and Son are NOT greater than each other, while John 14:28 has Jesus saying that the Father *IS* greater than the Son. Heb. 2:9 also says the Father is greater than his Son by saying the human Jesus was "made lower than the angels." So, how could Jesus be made lower than the angels, yet be equal to the Father?
The Father is also greater than his Son in knowledge. As John 8:28 has Jesus saying: "I say only what the Father taught me." If Jesus were equal to his Father in knowledge, what could the Father teach Jesus what Jesus didn't know? And let's not forget Matt. 24:36, where Jesus said: "But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." So, if Father and Son and holy spirit are equal in knowledge, would the Son and holy spirit know "the day and hour" just like the Father?
So, no, JWs are not wrong about the trinity. They know that it is a false doctrine.
Tell you what, if you come talk to me, I will listen to what you have to say, and ask questions, and if you can disprove the trinity, with Scripture, I will remove the content. If you can prove Witnesses are the Truth, with Scripture, I will delete the channel. I'll work around your schedule, email me and we'll set it up.
As an ex JW took a while to fully surrender to the will of Holy Spirit. Continue to plant seed and let the Holy Spirit take control. Keep up the great work.
Even Origen called Jesus as the most ancient of all the works of creation ------For the holy Scriptures know Him to be the most ancient of all the works of creation. nOTICE , MOST ANCIENT of ALL THE WORKS OF CREATION.. thus Jesus was part of the creation and he was the most ancient, the eldest, the first in time of that group
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
you are praising a guy who is an antiChrist, that pretty much tells how much duped you are
An Ex JW who doesn't know the answers? Wow!
@@jimjuri6490 JWs don't know the answers.
God is NOT a trinity. God is a spirit. Jesus is now a spirit as well because flesh can not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. They're both spirit creatures. Jesus was given the powers of god while here on earth to show the jews and us that he was the chosen one of God. That doesn't make him God Almighty. Jesus is exactly what Isaiah said he'd be called, which is Mighty God, but he is NOT the Almighty God. Big difference between Almighty and Mighty. One means absolute power and no equal, and the other means powerful and strong. The trinity doctrine states that all three are all-knowing and all three are equal. Is that true??? Not according to the scriptures its not. Jesus said at Mark 13:32 that no one knows when Heaven and earth are passing away, not the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. And the Holy Spirit isnt even mentioned in that scripture. That's a pretty big damper on the all-knowing thing right there and as for them being equal, John 14:28 Jesus himself again said, "If you loved me you'd rejoice that I go to the Father for the Father is Greater than I am." I don't care what any doctrine says or states. I only care about what Jesus says about himself and his father. And he said that his father was God at John 8:54. Not himself.
If Jesus Christ is not God, can He make us the righteousness of God? 2Co 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. Great video ❤
(1 Corinthians 15:22) For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive.
Jesus was the EQUAL of Adam. Both being SONS of God.
God cannot come in human form. God cannot be Adam's equal. And God cannot die.
made him to be sin so Jesus had a sin nature
@@Scott-t2p :I'm not sure if that is the correct expression.
Jesus could have sinned. All intelligent creatures have free will. But Jesus didn't sin. This was written about Jesus.
(1 Peter 2:22) He committed no sin, nor was deception found in his mouth.
This can be only stated about someone who could have sinned, but was loyal to God.
@@jimjuri6490 Read Romans 3:10 KJV Ecclesiastes 7:20 KJV
@@Scott-t2p : Please when citing a scripture, indicate to me why I should be reading it.
I've seen people who are determined to make Jesus into God, pick some random scripture and do a twist with it.
How many times did Jesus pray to the Holy Spirit? Steven saw Jesus standing next to God,. He saw no Holy Spirit. What is the name of the Holy Spirit? Jesus was tempted by Satan. God cannot be tempted!!!
God is 3 persons ONE spirit being that is Holy. You can’t get any plainer than the following scriptures “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father” John 14:9 and “Jesus is the image of the invisible God” Colossians 1:15.
John 14:11
“Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe [Me] because of the [very] works themselves [which you have witnessed].”
Colossians 1:1 - 15 jesus is the first born of all creatuon the image of Jehovah God read it and weap fact Jesus is an angel.
Jesus was an angel. On earth he was just a man. After he died Jesus went back to being an angel.
Just in case someone misunderstands.
(Acts 2:22) “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus the Naz·a·reneʹ WAS A MAN.....
Looks like someone commented before even watching the video that addresses your claim
who told you to say The FAther is greater in only certain aspects?
This is so good! Looking forward to part 2
Isn't this a claim that part 1 was not satisfactory?
@@jimjuri6490 I guess you're unclear with the meaning of "This is so good!" ?
@@12firehose : There is a prophecy given at 2 Timothy 4:3,4 which shows that people will hang onto certain 'teachers' who tell them what THEY WANT TO HEAR.
If the Trinity is scriptural, use the Bible. Why bring JWs into the context.
It is because JWs very existence exposes the lies others believe. Jesus' existence too had that effect.
John 15:18 If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you.
@@jimjuri6490 sure ok lol JW'S are nothing more than a cult with several false prophecies. Do I need to mention the Bible verses and what they say about false prophets?
From, “Let your kingdom come “- page 70-
“Satan tried to have Jesus think that he, as the Son of God, was someone important
-a celebrity.”
Does that not blow your mind?!
Anti-Christ really.
What is, "let your kingdom come" ?
@@seasonedwithsalt5129is this a serious question?
It’s another of many long winded watchtower publications which you can find in their online library.
@@K_e_n_ ,....Yes, it is a serious question. So, from the writings of the Jehovah's witnesses they say what you quoted here? Yes, this is mind blowing that anyone could be so willingly ignorant to be deceived by this nonsense.
The jehovah's witnesses the mormons, the catholics, and the orthodox are the pinnacle of the willingly ignorant. Everything they all believe is complete unbiblical nonsense.
@@seasonedwithsalt5129 For the Kingdom of God is not food or drinks , but righteousness, peace, and joy on the Holy Syrit [Romans 14:7] : It is within you [Luke 17:20-21]
John 3:3-7 Jesus answered, Veroly, verily I say unto thee, except a man be "Born Again",[of water and Spirit] he cannot see the Kingdom of God....1st Peter 1:25 Being "Born Again" ...by the Word of God [CHRIST], which liveth and abideth forever. ,,,1st Peter 1:25 But the Word of the Lord endureth forever and this is the Word which by the Gospel is preach unto you ...Therefore if any man be "In Christ".[ Colossians 1:26-27 ; 2:2-3] he is a new creation [Born Again]. ...1st John 5:1 Whoever believe that JESUS is the CHRIST[1st John 2:22-24; 4:1-11; 2nd John 7-11] is Born of God.🙏🛐
Making up stuff in an era when things can be checked????
Thank you so much for this! Such a great video! It is extremely unfortunate that the people in the JW religion are so hungry for God and being lead away from him, straight to eternal suffering. God bless their souls. I pray the true God reveals himself to them. Praise God.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
Amen! I pray that too!
My landlords were born into the JW's and it breaks my heart.
They seem so sincere.
@@CherylArsenault123 WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
They claim that the trinity is a false belief and yet they claim that Jesus is a god, so they believe in two Gods
@@davidagnew8792JWs are polytheists*
who are the gods in GOD of gods?
David, the quote says, "The Jehovah’s Witnesses offer people a moralistic monotheistic religion." It does not claim they are monotheist, but that they _offer_ people a monotheistic religion. JW's claim all the time that they are monotheistic, but polytheistic henotheists.
Polytheism is the belief in many gods, which is what JWs believe in.
Henotheism is the adherence to one god out of many, which is what JWs do.
JWs think that monolatry (the worship of one God) = monotheism, but that simply isn't true. JW are polytheists who have a pantheon of gods. Jehovah is the big god, Jesus is the medium god, and angels are the small gods.
@@BasicBiblicalTruth who are the gods in GOD of gods?
@@BasicBiblicalTruth according to the BIBLE, and the Bible use the term GOD of gods. who are the gods in GOD of gods?
I am not a Jehohas Witness but don't see how anyone with a reasoning brain can believe Jesus the son is the heavenly Father.
Can you reasonably explain how God mad the universe out of nothing?
@@srich7503 Jehovah made it with power.
@@NickHawaii AMEN!!! - Just as reasonable as “the Trinity” is. 👍🏻 unless, of course, you are able to completely explain this further in detail. Are you?
@@srich7503 : Check Einstein's relativity formula. It will explain how God created everything.
God cannot create everything from nothing.
@@jimjuri6490 check Thomas Aquinas’ refutation on that it will explain how God actually can.
Jesus wasn’t trinitarian.
Yes, Jesus said that salvation originates with the Jews. -John 4: 22
" Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.”- John 4:23,24.
Praised be the God and Father of our lord ( means master, or sir ) Jesus Christ. -2Corinthians 1: 2.
The true worshippers are heeding Jesus' own words and following him in worshipping his God, and Father-Yehovah.
Christian regards.
On that day we will understand. John 14:20 and read the entire chapter of John 17. The god of the watchtower is so easily understood . God can only be at one place at a time, and cannot be in 2 places at one. WT 2/15/1982 page 6. And He lives in the constellation Pleiades, reconciliation page 14. But it’s possible the organization got new light and believe something else now.
@@Terrylb285 Living in graveyards of things we may have used to believe in. True we don’t have a pagan concept of God that he is in everything. But his spirit is far reaching and pervading where it wants to go. Speak truth.
@@Terrylb285 As time progressed Jehovah's Witnesses gained greater understanding regarding Pleiades and admitted:
Pleiades can no longer be considered the center of the universe and it would be unwise for us to try to fix God's throne as being at a particular spot in the universe. Were we to think of the Pleiades as his throne we might improperly view with special veneration that cluster of stars" (Watchtower 1953)
Jehovah's Witnesses have always understood that God is a spirit being without a physical presence. They did not originate any ideas about Pleiades and were hardly unique for accepting other's research on the matter.
A century or so ago, when the publications of Jehovah's Witnesses occasionally alluded to Pleiades, it was because the general view of the day was that Pleiades was the modern name of the constellations specially highlighted for mention by the Divine Author in the bible book of Job.
Jehovah's Witnesses have never hidden the fact that we are a progressive organization that view alterations as evidence of divine enlightenment (see Proverbs 18:4). It is for this reason that we view past mistakes as a positive affirmation of our forward movement and proudly point to changes in the study articles of our magazines. This seems to be one such case.
The word Trinity is not in the bible anywhere. It is our interpretation as we read the bible we begin to see the interpretation. Just as charles taze russell founded the jdubs by his interpretation of the bible. He wasnt the sharpest knife in the drawer to not see it but neither were the five men un-educated in ancient greek who re-translated the bible and wrote their nwt. If you could get jdubs to trade their nwt for a nasb and read it they would start to see all of it as the rest of us do. But thats an impossability as that would be apostasy to them.
The question is not about translators. Were those who wrote the originals scholars of any sort?
BTW JWs were being gathered by God long before any NWT came out. See the prophecy ay Micah 4:1-5.
@@jimjuri6490 there' s no prophecy there jim. The scripture basically saying lets all of different nations go up to the lords house high on the mountain. There's no gathering of jdubs going on there. Are you sure you know what your saying or talking about? I dont think you are. And yea the first early translators knew what they were doing. The 5 jw men who translated the bible into the nwt did not know what they were doing jim. They were NOT Educated in ancient greek to translate the bible.
Do you want to try again or have something more to say jim?
@@jimjuri6490 really??? Then please explain why ALL Bible believing people, including JWs, receive their rule of faith, the Bible, from the Catholic/Orthodox church, the Bride of Christ… Why, if you were the ones “being gathered by God long before any NWT came out” did yall rely on the Catholic/Orthodox church….
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, - the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, - the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, - not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time, growing in numbers of hundreds of “inspired” NT writings.
Therefore, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved it by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
Who told you to call God a trinity was it from heaven or man? luke 20:4
They [Isaiah 48:16] are One [Zechariah 14:9/ Acts 5:3-4&9] It is Written !
@@marbymendez8021 one what? Are you saying no to the God of Jesus Christ? Ephesians 1:3
Being a JW is about serving the Watchtower organization. Period. The Watchtower will do whatever they can do to isolate their members as much as possible though whatever means possible, mostly through heretical and otherwise weird teachings.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
what an absolute Blessing this video teaching would be to the jw pimo's should they find their way here.
This video is perfect, I learnt a lot myself. God bless you🤍✝️
Thank you so much, This was absolutely Great ..We thank our
'great God and Savior Jesus Christ' Titus 2:13 for you...It's remarkable how much I've learnt in less than 20 minutes🙏 🙌 ❤
You know you are upsetting the demons when they appear in droves over a video on youtube. All the JWs, Universalists, Modalists, and Arians commenting on this video mean it is really upsetting them, kind of like Legion, the demon who said, "We are many." All of Legion's comments show they are convicted by the Truth in Christ, and hate the fact they want to remain in their sin.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Hey Legion, how are ya doing?
@@richbaker7187 that's your own group btw. you cannot deny HISTORY and FACTS - your pagan trinity was formulate only AFTER 400 YEARS -
FROM BRITANNICA -
The Council of Nicaea in 325 stated the crucial formula for that doctrine in its confession that the Son is “of the same substance [homoousios] as the Father,” even though it said very little about the Holy Spirit. Over the next half century, St. Athanasius defended and refined the Nicene formula, and, by the end of the 4th century, under the leadership of St. Basil of Caesarea, St. Gregory of Nyssa, and St. Gregory of Nazianzus (the Cappadocian Fathers), the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.
@@richbaker7187 Babylonia
"The ancient Babylonians recognised the doctrine of a trinity, or three persons in one god-as appears from a composite god with three heads forming part of their mythology, and the use of the equilateral triangle, also, as an emblem of such trinity in unity" (Thomas Dennis Rock, The Mystical Woman and the Cities of the Nations, 1867, pp. 22-23).
@@Mr.DC3.1914 DC, we went over all this before. You just cut and paste WT literature, and it's been debunked so many times over. You are just sad.
This was beautifully done! When I first came to Christ one of the moments that blew my mind was seeing how it all really points to him. That realization made my process of trying the spirits a breeze lol. If any group of “believers” are not pointing their followers to Christ, 🚩 🚩 🚩🚩🚩🙏🏽
No it wasn't beautifully done. The trinity is nothing but a lie. Created by Constantine and his pagan ways. There was no trinity in the Old Testament and in Malachi God said I an the LORD and I do not change and yet 2 pages later in the New Testament in Matthew oh look he lied to us and changed. That not how the Bible works and that's not the God I love with all my heart. And that's not the Jesus that I put my faith in. The Bible says to know the Son is to know the Father and you people have no clue as to who and what Jesus is and was before he came to earth as a man. He wasn't God that's for sure. And doesn't Jesus himself say that your to Love your Father with all your heart, soul, strength and might??? Yes it does. Yet you think it's supposed to be Jesus that your supposed love with all your heart, soul, strength and might. Well your wrong. I do honor Jesus because I know who and what he was. You haven't a clue as to who and what he was.
@@ScottRock-mr6qk
_" The trinity is nothing but a lie. "_
Your problem is that you are biblical knowledge bankrupt.
John 1: 1 said *GOD,* nothing about *a* god.
Isaiah 9: 6 said that *HE IS GOD THE FATHER* , nothing about a lesser god.
Isaiah 41 / 43 and 44 says God is *FIRST AND LAST*
Rev 1: 17 and 22: 13 says that *JESUS IS FIRST AND LAST*
And so we can go on for many more solid examples out of the Word of God
But as usual, spiritual blind fools will read the Bible everyday for 5 years while in prison, and when they walk out of that prison, they will still find themselves in a spiritual prison for the rest of their life's.
@@nonconformist4802 And Exodus 6:3 says that YHWH is God Almighty and Yeshua without the vowels is YSH NOT YHWH. So Jesus is not God Almighty. And I don't know where you came up with Jesus is the Father when he says himself that he's the Son. And since it's clear to me that you have no understanding of the Bible. Move along Slow Mo. Your below me. Way below me. I tell you what, if you can answer two questions, I'll talk with you. Get it wrong or reject either of them and we're done. Ready? What was Jesus before he came to earth as a man?? Say God and were done. And 2nd, was Jesus the beginning of the creation by God?????
@nonconformist4802 Your understanding of the Bible is a made up fabrication. Based on church leaders that have taught you nothing but lies. Because that's what they do. You're either a Catholic or You're a Baptist. Guaranteed. Because I used to be married to a catholic woman. And I felt as dirty as one would when he crawled out from under his truck that oil and grease was leaking all over the place. And if you're not either of those you're still a follower of the Catholic churches because all religions today are nothing more than branches off of Catholicism. The Baptists say oh yeah we believe in the trinity too but we don't pray or worship saints so we're gonna do things our way and the Methodist are right behind them and Protestants and Lutherans and Evangelist all of them. All religions are just followers of Catholicism. What day of the week do you attend church on?? Yeah the same day the Catholics changed it to. Sunday. And that's not the Sabbath. Fool.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
(Mar 4:36-41 KJV) 36 And when they had sent away the multitude, they took him even as he was in the ship. And there were also with him other little ships.
37 And there arose a great storm of wind, and the waves beat into the ship, so that it was now full.
38 And he was in the hinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow: and they awake him, and say unto him, Master, carest thou not that we perish?
39 And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.
40 And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith?
41 And they feared exceedingly, and said one to another, What manner of man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?
Be careful how you answer verse 41 because it will determine if you know him
This is wonderful. Thank you for sharing and for your research.
(John 1:2) This one was in the beginning with God.
Would John call his Most Holy God as 'THIS ONE'?
Who is THIS ONE? And whom was he WITH?
Proper translations that make sense follow:
• 1822: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.)
• 1829: "and the Word was a god" - The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829)
• 1863: "and the Word was a god" - A Literal Translation of the New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863)
• 1864: "and a god was the Word" - The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London (left hand column interlinear reading)
🔥 Brother, tysm. Glory be to God!! Lord knows I was wondering how to speak to a JW. Please pray. Thank God and you so much for your work. Do you give permission to use your material, including translating it? Can't wait for part 2!! Tysm again!!
There is no trinity there is no resurrection
Question; How is it God told Satan in the book of Job "Not to take the life of the man Job",and Satan listen to God and did'nt.
But eventually allows himself to be put to death by Satan?
Then HOW can GOD'S majesty, might, and authority be FOR ALL PAST ETERNITY and now and into ALL ETERNITY??? Jude 25, If as part of the trinty He dies? Where does God die or needs to? He can't be from eternity to eternity if he dies!?
IF GOD died in any shape or form
Then HE is not who HE claimes to be. Almighty, from everlasting to everlasting?
Or is Yehoshua Gods sent forth one, ambassador, apostel? John 8:42 John 5:19
Say what you want, the sourse OF life CAN NOT DIE!
If Satan could have tricked God into unaliving himself in any shape or form, then God's claim to being ALMIGHTY, would be in question.
HOW can the sourse of life
Extinguish it's self? Better still "why?" He told Satan not to take the gift of life from his servant Job beacuse it is his gift. As God Almighty the original sourse of light and life why would He unalive him self to prove a point He already extablished with Satan and Satan didn't challenge? ( Satan was told not to take Job's life and he didn't )
If God say's who lives and who dies, and IT can not be legally challenged! Why would He be expected to give up his OWN LIFE?
I've looked and looked, prayed and prayed over the course of years.......
Yehovah, Yehoshua never showed it to me.
God bless you for exposing their wicked lies ❤
What is a wicked unbiblical lie is the trinity. There is no such thing as the trinity. Anyone who believes in a trinity is just as apostate from God and from Biblical truth as are the jehovah's witnesses.
Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.”- John 4: 23, 24.
Jesus is not his own God and Father, he changed ny belief as a trinitarian.
The true worshippers are not liars ,for worshipping , Jesus' God and Father.
The true worshippers are worshipping the Father in spirit and truth.
God ( the wholeone ) is a Spirit, and not flesh and spirit, or a God Man.
I woke up spiritually to Jesus' words.
Praised be the God and father of our lordm Jesus Christ.
Ex trinitarian, now worshipping the one whom, Jesus directed me to worship. ....his God and Father.
Geneva Bible of 1587
That they may knowe that thou, which art called Iehouah, art alone, euen the most High ouer all the earth.-Psalm 83: 18.
Darby Bible Translation
That they may know that thou alone, whose name is Jehovah, art the Most High over all the earth.- Psalm 83: 18.
English Revised Version
That they may know that thou alone, whose name is JEHOVAH, art the Most High over all the earth.- Psalm 83: 18
What about the wicked lie of the Trinity?
DOES ONE HAVE TO BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY TO BE CHRISTIAN, OR TO BE SAVED?
WHERE DID THE TRINITY DOCTRINE COME FROM?
One could read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and find no evidence of the doctrine of the Trinity. It was formalized at two councils, Nicaea (325 c.e.) and Constantinople (381 c.e.), and in 1571, professed in the confessions of The Articles of Religion and The Westminster Confession of Faith (1643-1646).
Noted Theologian Dr. Wayne Grudem defines the Trinity: “God eternally exists as three Persons, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, each is fully God, and there is only one God” (Wayne Grudem, Systematic Theology: An Introduction to Biblical Doctrine, Zondervan, 1994). The Triune God is One God consisting of three Persons called the Trinity, therefore, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three Gods (Elohim), One God (EL or Eloah).
There is no explicit doctrine of the Trinity in the Bible. Trinitarians presuppose that the Trinity is rooted in the pages of Scripture, and those who believe this are brainwashed to believe without question. Christian scholars acknowledge that no revelation of the Trinity is explicitly stated in the Bible, they say, “It is implied.”
Christian Theologian James White states, “We (Trinitarians) hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine…No one dares question the Trinity for fear of being branded a ‘heretic’...We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully and completely Christian” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, pp. 14-15, 1998). Are Trinitarians telling us the biblical truth? And is the belief in the Trinity a salvation prerequisite? In other words, if a Christian does not believe in the Trinity can he be saved? Are Trinitarians legalists?
Jesuit scholar Edmond Fortman states, “Today it (the Trinity) is being challenged by many as unintelligible and irrelevant to modern man in its traditional formation and presentation” (The Triune God: A Historical Study of the Doctrine of the Trinity, 1972, p. xxv-xxxiv).
History bears witness, that Popes to John Calvin have authorized thousands to be excommunicated, and persecuted, and have even murdered Christians who do not believe in the Trinity!
Posted at a seminary: John Calvin wanted for the Murder of Michael Servetus!
The Trinity is widely disputed, an absolute mystery, and mysterious in its origin. It is a doctrine of confusion. Many have tried to explain it as Water, Ice, and Steam, which describes Modalism as one God who manifests in three different modes while remaining one substance. Modalism is a heresy according to Trinitarians. Does this Trinity doctrine of confusion sound like a doctrine to base our faith and salvation on?
Not according to the Word of God, for, “God is not the author of confusion” (1 Corinthians 14:33).
It is a fact, that scholarly theologians and historians admit that the doctrine of the Trinity was not taught or revealed by God, not found in the Bible.
Christian Reformer, Martin Luther: “It is indeed true that the name ‘Trinity’ is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man” (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988).
Historian H.G. Wells: “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from him” (H.G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499, 1920).
Millard Erickson, Professor of Theology at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, writes, that the Trinity “is not clearly or explicitly taught anywhere in Scripture, and yet it is widely regarded as a central doctrine, indispensable to the Christian faith. In this regard, it goes contrary to what is virtually an axiom of biblical doctrine, namely, that there is a direct correlation between the scriptural clarity of a doctrine and its cruciality to the faith and life of the church. In view of the difficulty of the subject and the great amount of effort to expended to maintain this doctrine, we may well ask ourselves what might justify all this trouble” (Millard Erickson, God in Three Persons: A Contemporary Interpretation of the Trinity, p. 12, 1995).
The New Encyclopaedia Britannica: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament…The doctrine developed over several centuries and through many controversies…It was not until the 4th century that the distinctness of the three and their (substance) unity were brought together in a single Orthodox doctrine of one essence and three persons” (Vol. 11, p. 928, 1985 ed.).
The Trinity doctrine is of the tradition of man, and not of God. Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders…?” He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…’ He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:5-9).
The Trinity doctrine is of the tradition of men and makes void the doctrine of salvation in Christ alone.
The Trinity doctrine is legalism in the highest.
The Trinity doctrine is not a prerequisite for our salvation, the opposite is true!
The Trinity doctrine is unbiblical and never taught by Christ!
- Way too much emphasis and importance is always placed on the Trinity doctrine. Our salvation is not determined by belief in it.
how would you go about proving that to a trinitarian?
@@xxxViceroyxxx- The Bible itself is very clear that our salvation is not determined by belief in it.
that's not much of a polemic. @@VAIO294
@@xxxViceroyxxx- No one in the Holy Bible confessed belief in a trinity doctrine, even when Jesus Himself asked Peter _"Who do you say I am."_
--->Matthew 16:15-17 ~ _“He (Jesus) said to them, _*_‘But who do you say that I am?*’ Simon Peter answered, *‘You are THE CHRIST, the Son of the living God.’_*_ And Jesus said to him, _*_‘BLESSED are you, Simon Barjona,_*_ because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.’”_
So, Peter simply confessed Jesus as being *_"THE CHRIST, the Son of the living God."_* --- Jesus did NOT correct Peter and say, *_"YOU HAVE NO SALVATION unless you ALSO confess that I am "fully God and fully man."_* --- Instead, Jesus said Peter was _"BLESSED."_
--- Yes, Peter was saved *without* Jesus requiring any confession of Him being a Trinitarian *_"fully God and fully man."_*
@@VAIO294John 20:28?
The trinity is a mutiple personality disorder lol
The difference between God and Jesus is that Jesus had a beginning. He was begotten. He is always subordinate to his God and Father, Jehovah.
God however was never begotten. He always existed. He does not have a Father.
Trying to put Jesus in the place of his Father to ascribe worship to him that should only ever go to Jesus' God and Father is idolatry which defeats the whole purpose of Jesus coming here in the first place.
Jesus warned us about people such as the one who made this video:
" Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will," Matthew 7:21.
Jesus didn't had a beginning.
200 AD Tertullian "He will be God, and the Word - the Son of God. We see plainly the twofold state, which is not confounded, but conjoined in One Person - Jesus, God and Man.." (Against Praxeas, ch 27)
200 AD Tertullian "God alone is without sin. The only man who is without sin is Christ; for Christ is also God" (The Soul 41:3)
200 AD Tertullian "We do indeed believe that there is only one God, but we believe that under this dispensation, or, as we say, oikonomia, there is also a Son of this one only God, his Word, who proceeded from him and through whom all things were made and without whom nothing was made. . . . We believe he was sent down by the Father, in accord with his own promise, the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete, the Sanctifier of the faith of those who believe in the Father and the Son, and in the Holy Spirit. . . . this rule of faith has been present since the beginning of the Gospel, before even the earlier heretics" ... "And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for the unity is distributed in a Trinity. Placed in order, the Three are the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition, but in degree; not in Being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of one Being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" (Against Praxeas 2).
@@misterauctor7353 Tertullian wasn't one of the apostles or Bible writers.
He was just some religionist who came later.
Religious expressions such as Trinity and Trinity explanations are not found in the Bible or the teachings of the apostles.
If it was so central to the faith of Christians why didn't they highlight it or explain it instead of some guys centuries later?
Peter for instance, when Jesus asked him who he was what did Peter say?
He said to them: “You, though, who do you say I am?”
"Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 In response Jesus said to him: “Happy you are, Simon son of Joʹnah, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father in the heavens did," Matthew 16:16,17.
So forget about church dogma and man made arguments about homoousion, or substance, designed to make them sound more learned than anybody else, just stick to the Bible and believe what Peter believed, that Jesus is the son of God.
@@dirkfirkle And you, Beth-Ephratha, tiniest among the thousand of Judah, out of you shall come one to be ruler in Israel, his origins being from of old, from ancient days, Micah 5:2. Byington.
"Whose comings forth have been from of old, from the days of age-past time," Rotherham.
"Whose origin is from ancient times, from the days of long ago," NWT.
Why can't Jesus have had a beginning? He was totally reliant on his Father for everything.
He came to earth to promote the worship of his Father not himself.
You can't interchangeably worship Jesus one day and then his Father the next as if they were the same God.
The Bible gives us the only correct protocol for approaching God and that's through Christ.
Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me," John 14:6.
this is by far the best video explaining the trinity. well done brother blessings from Ethiopia
What you seem to be missing is that jesus was "given" the name of god. Phillipians 2:8-9 and john 17:11 teaches that jesus is lord, but its a given name.
He gives that authority back as you know in 1 corinthians 15:28.
Jesus repeatedly denied that he was god, but was the son of god. The jews did not accuse jesus of claiming to be god, but the son of god.
Jesus was also "given" life in the father as john 5:26 tells us.
Jesus was also "given" authority in matthew 28:18
So the trinitarians get confused because they dont understand that jesus was "given" the name of god. Thats why old testament prophecies using the name jehovah refers to jesus.
I will say though that jesus does appear to be in the form of god. He is not like an angel who was made a little higher than angels.
He is most certainly not god though and the bible does not teach this lie
The Son of God (John 20:31) is "my God" (John 20:28).
Given, because he was in a servant state, he emptied himself, and then got it back, he glorified and seated back to his position of power, which is what Phil 2:5-11 teaches.
Where did Jesus deny he was God? This is news to me. I’ve read the Bible many times, never seen that.
@@LightoverDarkMinistryno. Given because he never had it to begin with. He wasn't"given it back" "God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him his holy name" this is clear and uncompromising to anyone looking at it honestly.
Phillipians 2:5-11 does not teach that he was given back his original position at all. Quite the opposite, its when he was given it
That's why he quotes isaiah and says that every knee should bend in the name of Jesus not jehovah. He has been given that authority
Where did jesus claim that he was god?
He is in that he has been given all authority and honor and even the name of god@@kardiognostesministries8150
@@SimplebibletruthsMark 14:62
this is amazinG! thankyou so much! If only I could get my JW family to see and ACCEPT this.
Even Origen called Jesus as the most ancient of all the works of creation ------For the holy Scriptures know Him to be the most ancient of all the works of creation. nOTICE , MOST ANCIENT of ALL THE WORKS OF CREATION.. thus Jesus was part of the creation and he was the most ancient, the eldest, the first in time of that group
@@Mr.DC3.1914 ,..What/who is origen? And who cares what he said? It only matters what the Bible says, and nowhere does the Bible say that God is a trinity.
@@seasonedwithsalt5129 Matthew 28:19.
@@misterauctor7353 ,...This scripture in no way whatsoever supports the 100% fake manmade trinity. What it does say is for the Christians to teach the lost, and I am teaching you there in no such thing as a trinity.
The phrase baptize them in the name of the father, the son, and the holy Ghost simply means teach them, (immerse them in) the truth of the Bible. And the truth of the Bible is there is no trinity. That the entire church is apostate.
In the new testament age, God has sent his son to redeem the few who Jesus the son, came to save, and after Jesus did what he came to do, the Holy Spirit/Ghost is the one who remains to teach those Jesus saved the truth of the Bible. And again, the truth of the Bible is, there is no trinity. God is seven spirits and not three. Anyone who does not understand this doesn't because the Holy Spirit has nothing to do with them. They are all being taught by the phony preachers/teachers/pastors of the apostate church, not by the Holy Spirit.
Matthew Ch. 28,
19, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
Can you explain Rev.1:8 if that is Christ or not?
Revelation 1:8 is absolutely not Jesus. Revelation 1:8 is God Almighty, it’s not Jesus.
@@Jimmy5991-eb3re
I know so how can a trinitarian explain that? Are you a unitarian?
@@Jimmy5991-eb3re
Agreed. The God of Jesus. Jehovah is his Name.
This video impressed me so much. Thank you for teaching us
Jesus has a god. 1 Peter1:3 and2 Corinthians 1:3.
G'day D H, brilliant work. This is some of your best work presented in this video. Flawless apologetics. Thanks heaps.
Why didn't the Bible ever say anything about the Trinity.
That was never its purpose. The Bible as you know it was not established until 60 years AFTER the council of Nicaea, and 300 years AFTER the writings them selves. It was Nicaea in 325 when the church began to develop the Trinity doctrine well before they produced the Bible.
Loved it, will take note of these texts
Where did Jesus say he is the I AM?
Typical question from someone who reads Watch Tower magazines instead of the Bible.
@@nonconformist4802 is that a no to the God of Jesus?
@@bretherenlee1404
No that is a statement made that you are an ignorant fool
Google it : There are so many including Revelation 22:13-16
@@marbymendez8021 show where Jesus says that he is the I AM
I believe Jesus is god I don’t know how to tell my parents. I’m unbaptized. I don’t know what they’ll think of me but I know what the truth is.
Amen,your in the right path unfortunately jw org has many good people in it but the deception is real,Jesus must be lord of thier life's, keep praying and ask the most high for guidance
Just show them this video. I might do that, mine are in the same (sinking) boat.
Jesus is god in the sense that he has been given all honor, authority and even given his holy name for a time. He is not god almighty though
@@Simplebibletruths Isaiah 9:6.
@@lulubellers yes. "Mighty" god. Not almighty god "prince" of peace not "king" this is a terrible verse to use if your a trinitarian 😆
The apostles twisted the scriptures so that no trinitarian will be saved, @Acts, 5:28-32/ Romans, 10:9, If you confess that Jesus is lord ,and did not believed in your heart that Jehovah rose Jesus from the dead, you will be saved,😭
Where does it sayTrinity in the bible? Where does it say, co-equal, co-enternal? It can be challenging to wrap out heads around the doctrine. This is how this video starts. All trinitarian made up jargon. It fails before it starts. The bible is simple, God is one, the father. Jesus is the son of God as he has stated
"there is actually to us one God, the Father,....." - 1 Corinthians 8: 6 - Apostle Paul's words.
Jesus words:" Salvation originates with the Jews." - John 4: 22.
Jesus never prophesised about a future time when an unbaptised Roman Pagan Emporer-Constantine would kick start the Trinity doctrine in 325AD.
The true worshippers would be worshipping not, Jesus, or a multi-personal God, but his God and Father.
See John 4: 23-4, those who want to be taught by Jesus, and not by Pagan men from the 4th century.
The true worshippers would be worshipping only the Father-Jesus' one true God, who alone is Yehovah...Psalm 83: 18; John 17: 3.
Geneva Bible of 1587
That they may knowe that thou, which art called Iehouah, art alone, euen the most High ouer all the earth.-Psalm 83: 18.
Alone means alone. Jehovah is alone Almighty God., and not fractions of three seperate persins or 3 Gods=1 God, or a Binity- 2 seperate persons.
Jesus prayed these words:
" This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ." - John 17:3.
Be taught by Jesus, and not by a Roman Pagan Emperor, who in 325AD, kick started the Trinity. Tri is the Latin for 3.
Jesus taught me to know the Father , the only one who is to be worshipped.
Praised be, the God and Father of our lord( means master ) Jesus Christ- 2 Corinthians 1: 3.
Indeed the Father is looking for ones to worship him.....John 4: 23, 24.
Where does it say “watchtower”? “Governing body?” “Spirit Creature?”
@@YouMayKnowMeAsNate : So that is an excuse to make up a Trinity?
Distorting God's personality is a serious crime.
Isaiah 42:8 I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else,
So when you say “the trinity is true. See John 8:58.” It’s ok. But when we say there is not trinity John 17:3 it’s called proof texting?
???
That is what is termed 'Desperate times call for desperate measures'.
When Jesus said or did that he was just a man.
When he said or did something else he was God.
A convenient way to explain any scripture.
@@jimjuri6490 Lying for the WT?
No man has seen God and yet live.. yet men have seen Jesus.. God is all-knowing.. Jesus is not God cannot die.. Jesus died, Jesus said the father is greater than I am.. that's crystal clear, and the word trinity is not in the Bible, and Jesus NEVER said he was God.. NEVER
Jeff if you believe I’m lying and deceiving people, I’m more than happy to have you come on my channel, and we can discuss it live or have it recorded, and I will post it publicly so the world can see. Just email me and we’ll get it moving.
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Isaiah 42:8 I am Jehovah. That is my name;
I give my glory to no one else,
Jesus who didn't even want being ministered to (Matthew 20:28) is made into God and worshiped by so called Trinitarians. Acts 20:30 comes to mind.
Jesus said in Matthew 12:25 that every kingdom-every house-divided against itself is brought to desolation. It cannot stand. When the enemy goes hard after your family using division, the answer is reconciliation. We should not try to cause divisions we should love and help each other, spirit has a mind so can also have personhood.
I do not belong to any religion. But what you are saying about God being a trinity makes no sense. How can you speak of God as him then say they are 3 separate persons. God should be they. If the Father is holy and a spirit then isn’t the Holy Spirt actually the Father? If the Father sits on his throne and the son sits at Gods right hand, where does the Holy Spirit sit? How is it none of Jesus apostles only ever honoured the Father and the Son but ignored the person of the Holy Spirit? The trinity teaching is religious garbage.
James 4:11 " Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge." KJV
Well done!!!!
I still don’t understand the Trinity. I woke up 2 years ago and I’m still living a nightmare not knowing what to believe except that God exists which is pretty sad.
If you need help, please reach out. I made this channel for people like you.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry I really appreciate that! I’ve been reading everything I can on Christian doctrines and studying the Bible objectively on my own for 2 years now but I still feel stuck when it comes to certain teachings and I’m afraid I may be going backwards.
All i can say is WOW and WOW again,GOD bless you my brother
Soon, The apostles will slams the reference books to the trinitarian theologists faces and says, Hey, that's not Jesus's instructions that we preached.you better read these first. Mat.10:26-28/13:10-11/Mark,4:34/ Deut.32:39/1st Sam.2:6-7 /2nd.Kings,5:7.
Hallelujah, all praises to the only 1 Triune God, Father Son Holy Spirit 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
No where is God described as 3 in 1 I the Bible.
Paul described God as one God the Father, in 1 Corinthians 6:8. Paul eliminates any other persons, in his comment.
Christian regards.
Praised be the god and Father of our lord Jesus Christ-2Corinthians 1: 2.
15:25 is John 1:3, not 1 John 1:3
Ahhh darn it! I thought I double checked everything!!
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"Theos" without the definite article can refer to divinely empowered representatives of JEHOVAH.BWe gave this on no less an authority than the Bible itself.
John Ch.10:34,35NKJV"Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? 35If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken)," This is a reference of psalms Ch.82:6NKJV"I said, “You are [e]gods,
And all of you are children of the Most High."
Moses is called elohim/theos at exodus Ch.7:1KJV"And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. "
Angels are called gods: psalms ch.8:5KJV"For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour." Any good interlinear would show elohim as the Hebrew rendered angels. So Logos being God minus the definite article does not establish him as equally God as the God he was with especially since the God he was with I.e his God and Father is the ONLY one ever referred to as the MOST HIGH God. See Luke ch.1:32
Want to come on and talk about it?
Isaiah 43:10 is a prophecy about JWs in these last days.
They declare: 'that I am the SAME ONE. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none.'
Jesus and the Holy spirit were additions to God by the apostasy.
Romans 1:25 They exchanged the truth of God for the lie and venerated and rendered sacred service to the creation rather than the Creator, who is praised forever.
How is that possible since verse 14 talks about the chaldeans, who don’t exist anymore. There is no evidence this is a prophecy about a religion that originated from Brooklyn New York. You have to prove it.
Isaiah 43 is about Jews.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry: A PROPHECY is about a FUTURE event.
Who are Jehovah's Witnesses if not JWs?
Who else is declaring that God has never changed (cf Malachi 3:6).
Read Isaiah 43:10 carefully.
@@misterauctor7353 : Read Isaiah 43:10 carefully. It is a prophecy.
Verse 21 The people whom I formed for myself So that they might declare my praise. 22 But you have not called on me, O Jacob, Because you grew weary of me, O Israel.
People who grew weary of God cannot be his Witnesses, can they.
JWs replaced the Jews as God's people.
(Hosea 2:23) I will sow her like seed for myself in the earth, And I will show mercy to her who was not shown mercy; I will say to those NOT MY PEOPLE: “YOU ARE MY PEOPLE,” And they will say: “You are my God.”’”
@@jimjuri6490 Seriously Jim, Rutherford came up with that name, this is the same Rutherford who had the Watchtower pay for 2 and I mean TWO Cadillacs that he was chauffeur driven around during the Great Depression whilst everyone was homeless Jobless and starving.
This same Rutherford also said in a prophecy "Millions now living will never die" and that Armageddon would definitely occur in 1925.
How about that prophecy by the same author Jim ?
Are those "Millions now living" still living or are they all dead Jim ??????????.
Did Abraham Isaac and Jacob return to San Diego in 1925 as Rutherford (Your Prophet) said they would ????
Hmmmm.
Checkmate Jimbo.
11:02 He did not consider himself equal with God. Because he is the Son not the Father
John 10:30.
Interesting video! In 1974 I found 2 important scriptures: Hosea 6:2 - which can be understood after reading 2 Peter 3:8. Real message: After 2000 years will He (Jesus) revive us, during the next 1000 years we (the 144,000) will live before Him. Meaning: Jesus will return within 2030-2033!
If the trinity is 3 persons in one divine nature, it’s mean that the one divine nature is the all mighty God. So Why the person on Earth Jehovah/Yahweh claims to be the all mighty God? (gen 17:1)
When Jehovah made his alliance with Abraham, he swore on his name.
Genesis 22:16
« and said, By myself have I sworn, saith Jehovah, because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son, » ASV
So we know that Jehovah on Earth claims to be the all mighty God, he even swear on his own name. But you would said that it only come from the OT. But even after Jesus came to Earth, Paul wrote this in Hebrew 6:13:
« For when God made promise to Abraham, since he could swear by none greater, he sware by himself, » ASV
So, if nobody is greater than Jehovah the All mighty God of Abraham, confirmed and accepted by Paul aspotle of Christ , It’s clear that Jehovah is the only one true God of Israël (Deuteronomy 6:4) and thereafter the only one true God of all the nation, confirmed by Jesus Christ in the book of Mark 12:29 : « Jesus replied, “The most important commandment is this: ‘Listen, O Israel! The LORD our God is the one and only LORD. » NLT
Just have to keep going.... love this study! Jesus himself said there are many gods and many lords. These words are titles. The descriptive term God in Hebrew (ʼEl) and God or Gods -plural ( ʼe·limʹ and elo·himʹ) come from a root meaning - Mighty or Strong one or Powerful one - In many cases when the definite article is used (ha·ʼElʹ, literally, “the God”) this differentiates Jehovah the true sovereign and creator from other Gods - -Ge 46:3; 2Sa 22:31
Some Gods or gods are loyal to the true God (Yahweh) and are like Jesus and are of course righteous. Thus loyal Angels are called gods. Many times, according to context a god is false in comparison to Jehovah and is an evil god like Satan (2 Cor 4:4) and also false gods that are not real but only figments of imagination in false religion like Baal worship (in context when comparing to the true and almighty God Jehovah). Context correctly applied with a scriptural passage using the word God or gods tells us in what way the title God or Lord is used. Also, even a human can be a Lord or God as human judges in Israel as Jesus likened them - Context...context....context! see Ps 86:8 - 1 Cor 8:5-6 - Gen 18:12 - Ex 22:28 - Ex 15:11 - Ex 12:12 - Ps 96:5 (Ps 82:1,6 and quote from Jesus in John 10:34,35)
The usual Greek equivalent of ʼEl and ʼElo·himʹ in the Septuagint translation and the word for “God” or “gods” in the Christian Greek Scriptures is The·osʹ. and Theoí.
The American Journal of Semitic Languages and Literatures, Vol. XXI, 1905, p. 208. says: [ʼElo·himʹ] (as applied to the God of Israel) is especially shown by the fact that it is almost invariably construed with a singular verbal predicate, and takes a singular adjectival attribute. . . . [ʼElo·himʹ] must rather be explained as an intensive plural, denoting greatness and majesty, being equal to The Great God.”- So Yahweh is not two people in one. but he is majestic as the Almighty!
At Psalm 8:5, the angels are also referred to as ʼelo·himʹ, as is confirmed by Paul’s quotation of the passage at Hebrews 2:6-8. They are called benehʹ ha·ʼElo·himʹ, “sons of God” (KJ); “sons of the true God” (NW), at Genesis 6:2, 4; Job 1:6; 2:1.
Lexicon in Veteris Testamenti Libros, by Koehler and Baumgartner (1958), page 134, says: “(individual) divine beings, gods.” And page 51 says: “the (single) gods,” and it cites Genesis 6:2; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7. Hence, at Psalm 8:5 ʼelo·himʹ is rendered “angels” (LXX); “godlike ones” so NWT does as well.
Food for thought for honest and real truth seekers who are on the side of Jesus truthful teachings - John 4:24 - John 18:37
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the Bible uses the words MADE for Jesus, Acts 2:36, EGENETO which means COME INTO BEING OR MADE - Mat 21, which is the EXACT WORD used for the other creations in JOhn 1:3, and also PRODUCED/CREATED as Wisdom Prov 8, and GIVEN LIFE in John 5:26, and those terms are used for a CREATION, even Jesus ADMITTED, I LIVE BECAUSE OF THE FATHER - John 6:57. Even COL 1 which uses the words DIA - A CHANNEL OF AN ACT AND EN- instrumentality.
Just a heads up, it's John 1:3. Not 1John 1:3
Oh I know :'(
Great video. Jesus created ALL things. Cross reference to Genesis 1:1 " in the beginning God created the heav be and the earth "
Yet Jesus created ALL things. Jesus is God
Isa 9:6 which called Jesus as SAR WHICH means in Hebrew PATRON ANGEL. Also the Bible uses the words MADE for Jesus, Acts 2:36, EGENETO which means COME INTO BEING OR MADE - Mat 21, which is the EXACT WORD used for the other creations in JOhn 1:3, and also PRODUCED/CREATED as Wisdom Prov 8, and GIVEN LIFE in John 5:26, and those terms are used for a CREATION, even Jesus ADMITTED, I LIVE BECAUSE OF THE FATHER - John 6:57. Even COL 1 which uses the words DIA - A CHANNEL OF AN ACT AND EN- instrumentality.
Go therefore into all the earth baptizing them in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. As the video states, if you deny the Son is God then you deny thr Spirit is God too. both of whom are identigied in Scripture as God.
This video explains a lot of logical fallcies and contradictions that come when you deny Jesus as God. Pointing out what Paul says that there is one God and one Lord and then pointing out that the Father is truly Lord shows your attention to detail.
As well your dismbiguation of John 17:3 really hit the nail on thr head. The "and" in the verse is a key word. Jesus Christ is always lumped in with the Farher in everything, no where is it seen more than Revelation. For instance Revelation 20:6 says and they shall be priests of God and His Christ and they shall reign for a thousand years. Who are they priests of? Of God AND Jesus Christ. Priestly service is devotion and service that can only rightly be given to God.
If anyone believes that Jesus was God, that will not help such a person get everlasting life.
Those who wish to qualify for everlasting life must believe the following.
(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father,
IF ALL ELSE FAILS, LOOK AT THE TRINITY EMBOLEM. THE FATHER IS NOT THE SON, THE SON IS NOT THE FATHER. as Jerry springer says ,,,, Jesus is NOT the father !
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Wow!! Dude, are you that blind? Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine is found nowhere in the scriptures. Nothing you say changes that. It's a false doctrine.
Are you a Jehovah's Witness?
I would not usually reply to your video as you have asked this question over and over. I find this very strange how many of the Trinity people spend so much time trying to prove this concept. I do not see many JW's spending so much time asking the same old question about the oneness of Jehovah. Maybe they are far more secure about what they teach, that they have moved on with the real message of our preaching work !
So let's look at the teaching of the Trinity which is that all three are: Co-equal, co-eternal and co-omniscient.
So the first point: Co-equal, Jesus said "the father is greater than I am" so a true Christian being a follower of Jesus, the son of God will listen and accept what he says. Anyone who contradicts what Jesus himself said is not following Jesus. So, now it is YOUR turn, please can you show us where Jesus said that all three are EQUAL ? Can you show us where any of the Bible writers stated that all three are equal ?
Can you show us from the Bible where it says that the holy spirit is God and is equal to God ? Please give your witness .
As for the Holy spirit being a person you have it so wrong, Gen 1 tells us that it was God's "holy spirit" that was moving over the surface of the earth, and it is NOT a person. The Bible writers told us about the holy spirit and how "It" would teach us, have you ever heard of a person being called an "It" ? You do not refer to a person as an "It"
If you were to go back to the time of Abraham, and talk to him, do you honestly think that after reading Gen 1 he would have concluded thatGod was made up of that time of two persons, one being Yehovah and the other being the holy spirit? Abraham did not say "listen oh Israel, you God Yehovah is two Gods in one, now did he ! That is why the Jews laugh at you Trinity people because they know the Hebrew language and they know that the holy spirit is not a person.
In the Bible, the word “spirit” is translated from the Hebrew word ruʹach and the Greek word pneuʹma. Most often, those words refer to God’s active force, or holy spirit. By referring to God’s spirit as his “hands,” “fingers,” or “breath,” the Bible shows that the holy spirit is not a person. And according to Vines Bible Dictionary, These meanings all share the sense of something invisible to humans that produces visible effects. Similarly, the spirit of God, “like the wind, is invisible, immaterial and powerful.”-An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, by W. E. Vine
Misconception: Jesus’ apostles and other early disciples believed that the holy spirit was a person.
Fact: The Bible does not say that, nor does history. The Encyclopædia Britannica states: “The definition that the Holy Spirit was a distinct divine Person . . . came at the Council of Constantinople in ad 381.” This was over 250 years after the last of the apostles had died.
When YOU stand before God, and like the apostle Stephen, you see Jesus sitting at God's right hand and see NO Holy spirit sitting there, then you will then realise that you have been duped by God's enemy. Why wait until then !
The Trinity really is like knocking square pegs into round holes. Don't let pride of being wrong stop you from being corrected by the almighty Yehovah, the one who is the God and father of our Lord Jesus Eph 1:3
You want talk about this, we can do it privately or publicly.
The new world bible! The undeserved kindness of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the sharing in the Holy Spirit be with all of you
2 Corinthians chapter 13 verse 14
Is this to mean that every time three of something or someone is mentions it constitutes a Trinity?
The THREE apostles who accompanied Jesus to the Mountain for instance.
Note the scripture.
The KINDNESS of Jesus.
The LOVE of God.
The SHARING of the holy spirit.
The kindness or the waiter.
The love shown by the owner of the Restaurant.
The sharing of the food.
Don't these show totally separate things?
KEEP IT SIMPLE !!! Jesus was worshipped 10 times in the KJV New Testament ! 10 TIMES !!! All 4 gospel writers record Jesus being worshipped ! Jesus received that worship , and can’t be an angel !!!
In Isa 9:6 it uses the word SAR for Jesus and SAR (translated as Prince can also mean in Hebrew as PATRON ANGEL) which is the EXACT same word used in Dan 12:1 for the Archangel who is called the GREAT SAR, Pls tell if another angel is GREATER (another meaning of that word) than Jesus as SAR? What will this archangel do in Dan 12:1-2. he WILL STAND UP for GOD's people? what was the result after he did that? those people escaped, the ones in the book of life, and the resurrection followed. You think another angel is responsible for those (resurrection and saving people) ? and you think that that archangel just STAND UP AND DID NOTHING? Jesus will also STAND UP for GOD's people acc to Micah 5:4. Did he do nothing? Now re: Dan 10:13, the Hebrew word if you look at the Hebrew Interlinear or Hebrew, you can use bible hub, says LITERALLY, MICHAEL/one/[of] the Princes/Chief/came ... So, it literally means Michael One The Princes' Chief or in other words Michael is ONE CHIEF [also means BEGINNING] of the Princes, the word OF is for the Princes and NOT for the word chief, so Michael there is literally the ONE CHIEF/ONE BEGINNING of the Princes. Also, re: Jude, just rebuking today and then NOT REBUKING the previous day DOES NOT CHANGE the IDENTITY OF A PERSON
@@Mr.DC3.1914 That was Christ First Coming : His Second Coming as The Mighty God : The Eternal Father
Genesis 35:1,NWT .Then God (Jehovah)said to Jacob,go and build an alter to the TRUE God(Jehovah)who appeared to you when you were running from your Brother Esau.
it is just mind blowing! thanks a lot!
Oh just saw your video. Fascinating….I think you could convince someone that the blue sky is yellow while they are looking at it.
Very interestingly, you seem to ignore the words “FROM” and “THROUGH” in verses like 1 Cor 8:6. Those are the CRUCIAL words! Pretty clear why as there is a very big difference between being the cause of something and working through someone else to accomplish it.
John 1:3, 10 and Col 1:16 also both say that all things were made THROUGH Jesus.
These verses teach clearly that ALL THINGS were made THROUGH Jesus. But all things came FROM God. So the power to create came from God the Father. Jesus was the agent that God worked THROUGH to create. Jesus is not the source of that power as it went through him not from him. The FROM is of God only. Very obvious!
Of course, the Bible only ever calls God the creator and nowhere does it call Jesus/Christ/The Son/The Word the creator. Also, Jesus never called himself the creator, but he did give credit to the one who did create man and woman in Matt 19:4-6. He did not say he created man and woman. But God his father used his powerful spirit to create the earth and humans - see Gen 1:2 - Ps 33:6 - Mark 13:19
But then we have the Athanasian Creed (foundation for the Trinity dogma created approx 350 yrs. after Bible finished) that says in part: "............And in this Trinity none is before, or after another; none is greater, or less than another. But the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal. So that in all things, as aforesaid; the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, let him thus think of the Trinity..........."
So does Jesus himself state that he is coequal to God the Father? Also who or what should be worshipped according to Jesus? Lets see shall we?
John 14:28 - Who did Jesus’ say is greater? Answer - God
John 17:1-3 - When praying to the Father who did Jesus say is the only true God? Answer - You, the only true God
John 17:3 - Jesus said, what actually means everlasting life? Answer - Knowing the only true God and his son Jesus
John 17:2 - Who gave Jesus' authority according to Jesus? Answer - The Father
Matt 4:10 - Who did Jesus say should be worshipped? Answer - It is written: It is Yahweh our God you must worship (or English form Jehovah as Jesus quoted from Deut 6:13 which included the Tetragrammaton, So if Jesus is quoting then he’s using Gods divine name)
Matt 4:4 - Who’s word must man live on according to Jesus? Answer - It is written on every word from Jehovah’s mouth (Jesus quoting Deut 8:3)
Matt 4:7 - Who did Jesus say we should not put to the test? Answer - It is written: You must not put Jehovah your God to the test (Jesus quoting Deut 6:16)
John 17:25-26 - What name did Jesus say he came to make known? Answer - His Father’s name
Matt 6:9 - Who did Jesus, when he was on earth, say we must pray to? Answer - The Father in the heavens
Matt 6:9-12 - Who did Jesus pray to? Answer - His father
John 20:17 - Who is Jesus God? Answer - His Father and God, and our Father and God
John 4:23-24 - Who should the true worshipers worship? Answer - The Father
John 3:16 - Who did Jesus say God gave to save the world? - Answer - The son (Jesus)
John 6:38-40 - Who sent Jesus to earth? Answer - The Father
Who was Jesus obedient to so as to be sent from heaven? - Answer - the Father
Who’s will does Jesus do? Answer - the Father
We can go on and on…… but who did Jesus say is greater in all of this and from only a sampling of verses. Well right from Jesus’ mouth he makes clear (from what I read) that he is saying he is always subservient to God and his father Jehovah always. There is no Trinity dogma in Jesus own teaching about himself. If you want to believe that means something else but putting some theological spin to Jesus words then …..well….. its up to you. But shouldn’t we just believe Jesus words which are in fact the Fathers words - John 14:23 and John 15:10
Do other Bible writers agree that God the Father is greater than Jesus? Also was Jesus created?
I Cor 11:3 - The Apostle Paul wrote well after Jesus resurrection to heaven that just as the head of man is the Christ then the head of Christ is God
1 Cor 15:24-28 - Paul wrote that God subjected all things to Jesus with the exception of himself. Also when Jesus, as King of Gods Kingdom, destroys all Government and authority and death (all Satan’s works) then Jesus will submit himself to his Father and hand back the Kingdom to his God and Father so that God will be all things to everyone.
Rev 3:14 - John wrote that Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God. So first in order of created beings. This confirms that the expression firstborn of creation applied to Jesus in Col 1:15 is referring to the customary use of the word firstborn in the entire Bible. This simply means first in order such as in a family of sons and even amongst animals - see 1 Chron 8:1 - Ex 12:2 - Gen 25:33 - 1 Chron 5:1
Seven of the eight occurrences of the Greek term for “firstborn” (pro·toʹto·kos) in the Greek scriptures refer to Jesus. The usual Scriptural meaning of the term “firstborn” is the one born first in order of time, such as a firstborn child. Because Jesus was “the firstborn” child of Mary, he was presented at the temple in accordance with Jehovah’s Law - see Lu 2:7, 22, 23; Mt 1:25.
At Col 1:18 The same Greek word is used of Jesus, “the firstborn from the dead,” that is, first resurrection to spirit life heaven in order of time - see also Rev 1:5. Likewise, in the Hebrew Scriptures, the expression “firstborn” is most often used in the sense of “the oldest son of a father.” The same Greek word occurs in the Septuagint at Ge 49:3, where Jacob says: “Reuben, you are my firstborn.”
Of course, Jesus is preeminent in rank amongst all created beings. But firstborn is not used in that way and there is no basis for the claim that the term “firstborn” in relation to Jesus in Col 1:15 is different from its usual meaning in the Bible as Rev 3:14 confirms with the word "beginning".
Regarding Ps 89:18-20 and 27 this is a actually a prophetic reference from Yahweh about his firstborn son Jesus (the Messiah) who is the greater David. It’s not literally referring to David. In confirmation of this Ezekiel 34: 24 which was written well after David’s death, God called the Messiah “my servant David” Its figurative an poetic. Context!!
Interestingly only Jesus is ever referred to as firstborn and never God or the Holy spirit. If they are all equal and firstborn only means preeminent then they should all be called firstborn! Come to think of it only Jesus is called the beginning of the creation of God. The others are also not even mentioned in this way as well.
Yep (Yahweh) Jehovah is Almighty God - Jesus is his firstborn son so was created by his father (his father gave him life) Jesus is the 2nd most powerful being in the universe so is a mighty God (Isa 9:6) but is only ever pictured at the Almighty Gods right hand as his father will always be Almighty God the sovereign - please read again 1 Cor 15:24-28 and also read Acts 7:56 - Rom 8:34
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JOHN 13:16 SAYS A SLAVE IS NOT GREATER THAN HIS MASTER, NOR ONE THAT IS SENT(JESUS) GREATER THAN THE ONE WHO SENT HIM.(JEHOVAH)
didn't watch all of this...just find it interesting how people can read a scripture and make it say anything they are prediposed to believe instead of taking it for what it actually says. So you just explained God has split personality.
Maybe you should watch the whole thing and part 2 before coming to a conclusion
@@LightoverDarkMinistry I may watch it but it is already so far out from what I believe the Bible to really teach that is seems a waste of time. I have NEVER Believed and won't ever believe that Jesus ( Son ) and God ( Father) are the same person.
@@curtainsup9 I don’t believe that either.
Jehovah God's Glory
The Two Witnesses!
Elijah - Song of the Lamb
Moses - Song of Moses
Matthew 16:27-28 Son of man is to come in the glory of his Father with his angels. Christ in His glory on the Mount of Transfiguration which begins in the very next verse (17:1). Here Christ does literally appear in a glorified form, and some of His apostles are there to witness the occasion, namely Peter, James, and John. This transfiguration experience, of course, was only a foretaste of His Second Coming when all believers will see Him come in power and great glory (cf. Acts 1:11; Rev. 1:7).
Matthew 17:1 Six days later Jesus took Peter and James and his brother John along and led them up into a lofty mountain by themselves. 2 And he was transfigured before them; his face shone as the sun, and his outer garments became brilliant as the light. 3 And look! there appeared to them Moses and E·liʹjah conversing with him.
Jesus is the head of the true congregation of Jehovah God! The two witnesses are the two olive trees and two lampstands. A lampstand represents the true Congregation of Christ (Rev 1), and an olive tree also represents God's people (Rom 11). The link between the two is that as the Congregation walks in obedience they bear fruit (olives) which provides the oil which keeps their lamp lit. The two witnesses are therefore two obedient groups,one that will walk in the spirit and power of Elijah and one that will walk in the spirit and power of Moses.
The Song of Moses!
Jehovah's Witnesses are the voice in the wilderness. But people are upset . They listened to the voice and was baptized. Was the Nation of Israel upset because they was baptized crossing the Red Sea. They didn't even know how much Jehovah loved them.
Revelation 21:4
4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes...
no more,... mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”
The Gentile Times.
Jehovah's Witnesses use prophetic year for Gentile Times to arrive at 1914 for last days of a 120 years. For the Elijah to arrive first. This is how they have over lapping generations. 1914 + 120 is 2034.
The Gentile Times by history is 1934 . A generation to the God of Abraham is 100 years. 1934 + 100 is 2034 also. Then back up for the 42 months (2030) or 7 year tribulation. 2023!
Also by Jehovah's Witnesses using the prophetic year of the Bible. Adam was created 4026 bce.
- 4026 bce + 6000 is 1974. But to enter into Jehovah's rest. Is 60 years. Jehovah said they would die in the wilderness from age 20 and up. So 40 years plus 20 is 60 years.
1974 plus 60 years is 2034 also.
Jehovah then said to Moses and Aaron: 27 “How much longer will this evil assembly keep up this murmuring against me? I have heard what the Israelites are murmuring against me. 28 Say to them, ‘“As surely as I live,” declares Jehovah, “I will do to you just what I have heard you speak! 29 In this wilderness your corpses will fall, yes, the whole number of you from 20 years old and up who were registered, all of you who have murmured against me.
Hebrews 3:9 where your forefathers put me to the test and tried me, despite seeing my works for 40 years. 10 This is why I became disgusted with this generation and said: ‘They always go astray in their hearts, and they have not come to know my ways.’ 11 So I swore in my anger: ‘They will not enter into my rest.’”
Hebrews 4:2 For we who have exercised faith do enter into the rest, just as he has said: “So I swore in my anger, ‘They will not enter into my rest,’” although his works were finished from the founding of the world. 4 For in one place he has said of the seventh day as follows: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works,” 5 and here again he says: “They will not enter into my rest.”
6 Therefore, since it remains for some to enter into it, and those to whom the good news was first declared did not enter in because of disobedience, 7 he again marks off a certain day by saying long afterward in David’s psalm, “Today”; just as it has been said above, “Today if you listen to his voice, do not harden your hearts.” 8 For if Joshua had led them into a place of rest, God would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 So there remains a sabbath-rest for the people of God. 10 For the man who has entered into God’s rest has also rested from his own works, just as God did from his own.
11 Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest, so that no one may fall into the same pattern of disobedience.
14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold on to our public declaration of him.
The 7 year tribulation had begun!
Joel 2:15 Blow a horn in Zion! Proclaim a fast; call for a solemn assembly. 16 Gather the people; sanctify the congregation. Collect the old men; gather the children and nursing infants. Let the bridegroom go out from his inner chamber, and the bride from her bridal chamber.
The conclusion of the preaching and disciple-making work means that the harvest phase begins. And during the harvest all the sons of the Kingdom are gathered into the storehouse; thus, precluding any more preaching and teaching. The final witness work will not be a message of salvation - but of certain doom for Satan’s world.
Excellent presentation and collection of verses. Thank you!
I with my good friend would watch this video . I’ll keep praying for her
Jesus has a god. Prays to his god ascends to his god. Revelation 3:2 and 3:12 Jesus says My God 5 times!!!!! My God My God why have you forsaken me!!!!!
To understand Revelation ,GOD THE ALMIGHTY is identified as "THE ONE WHO WAS ,WHO IS ,AND WHO IS TO COME" and GOD is the one on the throne
Can you respond to Revelation 2:23?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry I believe it is referring to spiritual "Babylon the great" ,the false churches the "harlot"
Nope. This is Jesus talking, saying that he is the one who reads the heart and mind. 1 King 8:39, only YWHW knows the heart. How do you reconcile that?@@dazzadizzy5308
@@LightoverDarkMinistry YHWH knows yes , well I read there Jesus "searches" the minds and hearts so doesn't know does he? I also read in verse 27 where Jesus received his authority.
@@dazzadizzy5308 Greek word used is for examining, knowing.
Yes, Word because flesh, was in a servant state, then was given back the authority, now as fully God and fully man. Let’s go back to verse 23, as the word doesn’t help the case, so how do you reconcile it.
If GOD is three persons and all are named JEHOVAH, and if you see them in front of you, count one by one, how MANY JEHOVAH do you see? that is THREE JEHOVAH, and Deut 6:4 says JEHOVAH IS ONE JEHOVAH. and THAT IS NOT THREE JEHOVAH
Five reasons why jehivahs witnesses reject trinity (truly true)
RE:Heb 1:8 - Psalms 45:9 refers to a human king who has ladies of honor and royal CONSORT/SPOUSE. psalms 45:6 INITIALLY was applied to a human king with a wife and that also was applied to Jesus. the better translation is GOD IS YOUR THRONE, as GOD has no other GOD who was a human king with a WIFE and ladies of honor. the Hebrew Interlinear actually shows the correct order and transliteration as it shows literally , Your throne is /God/Forever/and ever
I looked at the Hebrew interlinear here: scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/psa45.pdf and it says "Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom [is]
a right sceptre.
" Where did you find "Your throne is /God/Forever/and ever"?
@@evanwindom3265 pls look/click at the Hebrew or Hebrew Interlinear at Biblehub for Psalm 45:6
@@evanwindom3265 did you find it in biblehub? psalms 45:6 - Click hebrew
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With all your comments here you have only exposed that your christianity is a fraud. Repent, and learn what the truth, the gospel, and the Christianity of the Bible actually is.
Beautifully done!!
This is so beautifully done. I’ve been making a notebook of notations of the JW false doctrines (and also true Scripture to counter) to witness to my dad and I’m going to take pictures of the screenshots of ypur wonderful slides and add them in my notebook to present to him. Thank you so much for your work!!!!. God bless you and all glory to the Father, Christ and the Holy Spirit!!!!
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
Jesus is Lord God Almighty clothed in unsinful humanity and He is the author of *eternal life* to all who trust Him alone for salvation 💓.
He paid for all the sins of all the world at the cross (past, present, and future). That payment is put to your account when you have believed on Christ alone for salvation 💐💖💐💖.
*This means that saving repentance is realizing that you are a sinner deserving of God's just punishment in Hell and turn (repent) from whatever you trusted in before, if indeed you trusted in anything; to trusting in the person and finished work of Christ alone for salvation.*
Man does it sadden me to see how many people in the comments copy and paste the same low-tier arguments that you even address in this exact video as if they are saying something new/creative/insightful. Thank you for being more patient than I would be in your role. I pray that God continues to use you to spread his good news to those who need it
What is a low tier argument?
Is Jesus claiming to be a MAN and a Prophet OF GOD be one?
(John 8:40) But now you are seeking to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God.
(Matthew 23:37) “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets
When someone takes on God's people with a Roman Catholic teaching called the Trinity, there is bound to be repercussions. Literary-wise.
"Trinity" is not in the Bible" God's "active force" is not jn the Bible either. God's Spirit does not accurately translate to God's "active force". Their Bible starts out wrong to begin with.