CRASHED Victory Freedom 106 Ci Polaris Engine & Transmission Teardown. BIG damage from a wreck!
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This is a strange one, and something that may never happen on the channel again. I found a motorcycle engine for a teardown. A Victory Freedom 106 Ci V-twin and 6-speed transmission. Its failure is unlike almost every passenger car engine I've torn down as its was caused by a very hard crash. The damage from this wreck was much more severe than I initially figured. This teardown was both fun and challenging as I know virtually nothing about these engines or transmissions, and how they are built.
My name is Eric and I own and run a full service auto salvage business called Importapart located in the Saint Louis MO area. Part of our model is dismantling and selling parts from rare and niche market engines. I don't build or rebuild engines, we simply supply hard parts to those that do!
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As a car mechanic I absolutely love watching most of the carnage on this channel. As a guy who used to work for Polaris building their motorcycle engines I found myself in agony watching this one.
Are you the guy who installed the c- clips in the tranny that fail. Polaris left their customers holding the bag on that one.
There are two stages to the oil pump, high volume low pressure for cooling, and low volume high pressure for lubrication. Those are very good motors. and those parts are gonna get pretty valuable in short order, when Polaris killed victory, they left the owners pretty well high and dry when it comes to replacement parts.
The part with the wear in the primary is what is known as a compensator. it is there to absorb some of the vibrations from the unequal firing pulses. Harleys have them on the primary chain.
and yes they are called Jugs.
That really sucks that polaris did that after 20+ years to their customers
Go s&s or just sell the victory it's a loser brand
Earl Scheib harsh
What what I remember from working at an ex victory dealer, once victory was dead, they were promised 10 years of parts manufacturing and availability. Well that didn't exactly happen and we were shorted by like 7 years on some parts
The "compensator" device was also termed "shock damper" on other makes. Even OSSA motorcycles had them on the crankshaft to absorb shock pulses from strain on the drive train that would lead to premature failures.
Another weekend, another case of beer, another epic blown engine video. Gonna be a good night!
Another saturday at work, but i always look forward to passing the time with a teardown video
A whole case in 36 mins yeehaw
Find a Gold Wing flat-6, either 1500 0r 1800 displacement, to tear down.
Didn't those go extinct with the dinosaurs?
@@notme8121 The Gold Wing models are still being manufactured in 2022!
@@notme8121 This motor was a dinosaur when it was designed
@@notme8121 nope. Seen a couple with over 300k miles. They're built to last.
@@notme8121 that dinosaur was able to beat a motogp lap record
If I were a motorcycle tech I’d be freaking out right now. Since I am not, this all looked fine to me. Atta boy
I'd be curious to hear updates on how the parts sell in the future
Oh no! I like your teardowns because I'm not a car mechanic, but you've put your fingers in my pie this time! Not familiar with Vicory's designs per se, but I am intimately familiar with Harley, and this is a very similar setup.
I'll try to remember all your questions:
Cylinders: "jugs" is correct as a common term to use.
-Can't rotate motor via timing bolt: yep, you needed to open the "primary" and rotate using the big ol' stator bolt. The primary is so called because it houses the "primary drive" components transferring power from the crank to the clutch/transmission.
-Ramps between the crank and transmission in the primary drive: that's called a compensator. It's spring loaded (HEAVY springs) and helps absorb the odd power delivery that a single crank pin v-twin likes to create (think Harley "potato") to make for a smoother ride. Harley does the same thing, but places it on the crank with the stator, then uses a double row chain instead of this design's gears to connect the crank to the clutch.
-Finned block at bottom front of motor: your second guess was correct. It's a rectifier/regulator for the charging system.
-Flower gear: is a shift detent. Between peaks are your gears, and the missing peak is your neutral detent. Shift pattern will be 1 down and 5 up which means 1st gear clicks down, then half click up to neutral, or full click up to 2nd, then full clicks up until 6th.
-Oil pump uses 2 trochoids: One is your pump pushing oil from the pan throughout the engine. The other should be your "scavenge" pump that pulls the oil collecting in the crank housing after lubricating everything, and feeds it back to the oil pan (aka dry sump). It's another feature shared with Harley.
Nope, some googling says the oil pump is not feed and scavenge like a Harley. It's as another comment mentioned; feed and oil cooler. Funky...
Bmw uses a similar pump to oil cool the heads between the exhaust valves on their 4 valve heads on air cooled bikes. Low pressure high flow and after heads goes to radiator then pan
Wet sump. Not like Harley at all.
If you are intimate with your Harley, I suggest you seek help.
The gear drive between engine and clutch allows the balance shaft to run reverse to the engine
As a motorcycle guy, it was pretty fun to see a car expert bumble through this teardown
That was cool. I am on my second Victory. They are great bikes and last a very long time with no issues.
That part with the worn ramps is the torque compensator. It helps stop backlash of the gears from the power pulses of those big pistons.
In side that are spring washers.
Pretty much everything on the Victory engine is over sized and over built.
Unfortunately Polaris was poorly run when it came to Victory. They needed to upgrade some of the issues like the clunky transmission.
Instead we got new paint colors and high prices. Instead of discontinuing Victory they should have found a new person to run the division.
I am keeping my 2015 Victory Vision forever….
The Vision is an awesome bike. I really like the style though some people would call them "weird". And the only issue Victory ever had was an oil pump issue on the early V92. It is a shame Polaris dumped the brand to make Indian. I guess they didn't want the two brands to compete with each other.
I am not surprised your Victory engines last well, the the design looks well done with very few if any corners cut on engine components...
@@adotintheshark4848 they sold alongside each other for YEARS.
Victory got dropped coz they werent selling.
One of the best V Twins ever made.
Love the channel-very cool to see different stuff, and still no dumb music.
TV for gear heads - all of us !
Whatever engine or transmission he tears down I will still watch it
You did a great job! Even naming the parts that you didn't know... I always look forward to my Saturday tear down.
I’ve never had a Victory engine apart, but as motorcycle engines go, I’d say that design is straightforward and appears to be a thoughtful design, engineering wise.
The camshaft holders in particular strike me as a very intelligent solution.
All told, I didn’t see any built-in booby traps to the engine.
Good video!
Love these videos. Should make these a series and call them, "Let's just see what happens."
There's a TH-cam site (UK) that kinda does that, a monthly update called "What's broken now", the site is called "Lawrie's Mechanical Marvels". A lot of comedy albeit dry British humour but still watchable. The monthly show is a recap of what broke and what didn't (rare) of their many projects.
"Let's just see what happens" is how I got into engineering.
When I was 3. 🙂
You could probably read a phone bill and have it being entertaining and informative. That being said your instincts for what make good videos have been pretty golden so far and I don't see them failing you anytime soon. Tearing down a light aircraft engine at some point could be an interesting oddball teardown.
@9:46 These are definitely Melons. Nevertheless, when dealing with Either Jugs or Melons, there is usually a simple but Impossible to operate Clasp.
Once the Clasp is relieved of its Burdens, bot Jugs and Melons will easily swing free.
Moral: Sometimes Jugs and Melons are the same thing.
Thanks for posting!!!
On aircraft recip engines they’re called jugs.
@@oligoprimer Whoosh. 😁
It was the worst of times, it was the breast of times....
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As someone who’s done their own bike maintenance for decades, that was the funniest dipstick battle on this channel, yet. 😂😂😂
Another great video, Eric. When I was just 5 years old, I took my Dad's Craftsman electric drill apart. My Dad freaked out, but I managed to get it put back together, and it worked just fine. I have been taking things apart to see what is what my whole life (I'm now 60). It is an absolute pleasure watching you take these engines apart. I'm hooked on 'I do cars'. Thank you for all of the hard work and the humor. You would be fun to work with.
Super cool seeing a bike engine here. A 600 I4 would be awesome if you run into one. Edit: Also, seeing a crashed bike engine hits harder than any car engine... someone probably got hurt to give us this teardown.
Yes, I was thinking the same thing.
I had a Victory Vegas with Highball Bars, Ive been riding since 2010 and owned multiple bikes, Victory has hands down been one of the best and powerful bikes ive owned!
Am loving how you are now getting into so many different teardowns, like bike motors, CVTs etc. I'm learning heaps! In that vein, any chance of an outboard boat motor one day? Keep it up!!
YES, I love the variety. Keep up the great work man!
Cam chains are "Silent" type - a.k.a - a "Hy-Vo", "Morse", or "inverted tooth". They are extremely more wear resistant than a standard roller chain, but less efficient at power transmission. Almost all overhead cam motorcycles use them for cam drive. Lots of bikes use them as primary drive as well, where they can be over an inch in width.
I've never seen the innards of a Victory engine before - it looks like it is a well thought out design from a mechanic's perspective.
Interesting tear down 👍, good to see something different.
You looked so much like my 9 year old boy in my very sophisticated workshop! When found he had a calibrated torque wrench hammering nails into an OAK block!!! UK Pete.
Reminds me of the time I (also aged 9) got into my friend's dad's workshop and started squashing random things with the hydraulic press. I'm now an engineer of course.
Great video. I have a 2008 Vision that I love. I heard something interesting today. The Victory 106 engine has ~14 gaskets total whereas the twin cam Harley engine has over 60. That's insane.
Slip blocks of wood under the rear piston (since the cylinder is removed) to stop the piston…connecting rod…thus crankshaft from moving. That can help remove the front cylinder, since the front piston can't move when the crank can't.
There actually is a hole thru the case to slip a pin into to keep the crank from turning.
Yes but the rings would not pass the crack in the cylinder which was the trouble Eric encountered.
@@timlee4204 I'm pretty sure he could get it past that ridge, because it did when running (a few times, that's why it's scored).
Being a bike rider myself, seeing carnage like that scares the F*** out of me. It seems like some people just don't understand how IMPORTANT it is to drive defensively when riding a motorcycle.
There is only one law on the road for bikers, bicyclists, and pedestrians. Physics. If a car hits you, it's you who'll be broken.
Think the helmet cracked too?🤔🤷💀
@@orangedream267 Its getting harder to convince myself to throw a leg over my bike. People just don't pay attention to the road and other traffic anymore.
@@johndelta00 Sadly, I quit riding about the time that cell phones and SUVs became popular. Now that I'm out in the country, that could change. Maybe.
I quit riding (on the street) after being hit for the second time. People here drive with their head up their asses. I almost lost my left arm because it was shattered in so many pieces. Nothing to screw together.
It took a full year for the bones to (stick) back together again and it's about 4" shorter. So I had a broken arm that lasted a full year. My work loved that!
The person who hit me broadside was under-insured so I paid for a lot of my own medical. Don't get hit by people on welfare. Not worth the lawsuit. Can't touch their golden welfare. They got a 125 dollar ticket and I have a barely working left arm.
Motorcycle teardowns are much appreciated. ✌
Nice to see that the claims of Victory being well made were true. What a stout design. I should have bought one years ago.
Assembled at the Polaris engine plant in Osceola, WI.
Love it, would love to see a sport bike engine tear down, too.
Victory engines are some of the best motorcycle engines out there. Given the quality of the gear, chains, bearings etc and other, I can now see why.
Fun fact: that engine had almost the same displacement and power as my old Scion xA. The big difference is that my Scion was a 4-cylinder!
Arkansas here! Man you should get a small airplane engine that would be freaking cool!!
Very cool teardown.
Variety is the spice of life!
Makes me wonder how much damage the rider took… thanks for the video.👍
Yeah, as a former rider, I couldn't stop thinking about the damage to the rider. :(
Eric, I love your channel. I think I’d watch you tear down anything. Thanks for bringing us along for the ride.
So cool. Learned a lot from watching and re-watching your videos. Your comments over carnage are awesome.
I love the Sunday a.m.(here in UK) when we get your streams. Keep up the knowledgeable tear downs. Cheers Jonny
Awesome to see you get into motorcycle engines! That's what I first started with taking apart. It's so neat how simple they are.
Bravo...always fun to watch you expand your knowledge base. I love watching you talk us through your thought process as you work through the teardown. Just a great video and so much fun. As always a great way weekend topper for me. Thank you.
That was really neat to see. I've only ever messed around with old dirtbikes (aside from car engines) so it was cool to see.
Don't know how I missed this video until now. With the 106 tear apart, eerrr break down , you have done every engine I've owned in the last 20 years. While there is a lot of resentment by Victory owners for Polaris stabbing us in the backs, we all know, they make great naturally aspirated engines. I'll run mine till the wheels fall off
The Victory engine loves to rev for a vtwin. With simple changes it is very easy and inexpensive to get the stock 106” over 100hp. I have two Victory bikes, a 117” steel frame (like what this engine came out of) and a almost stock 106” Cross bike. Both have been extremely reliable and so easy to maintain. Literally just have to change the oil and replace the tires when you are supposed to.
Not sure if you noticed these have hydraulic lash adjusters, so no need to open it up to adjust anything for the valves. (Looking at you Ducati with y’all’s valve setup) That clutch pack you pulled is worth some $$$ for sure. The one weak link in this motor if there was one would be the clutch. Typically they are always adjusted too tight, which leads to them being smoked prematurely. But if you keep it adjusted properly they will last forever so long as you don’t go way overboard on hp/tq.
If you’ve still got the stator & regulator I could give them a home on a shelf here. I’m sure at some point I’ll need them. Hell, I could probably build a complete spare engine at this point with all the extra spare parts I’ve stashed away.
Probably be a difficult engine to find, but would be fun to see a Yamaha vmax 1200 or 1800 engine tear down. That or a Yamaha venture as they're mostly the same. It's a v4 and might make for a fun challenge for you haha. Love your channel brother. Peace :)
Dreading the day I have to take apart my venture motor. Still shifts all the gears, but it’s an 83, and they’re known to lose second due to a weak bushing that got updated in later years.
They’re really fantastic motors. I’ve ridden mine from coastal Oregon, to the top of vail pass. No carb adjustments in between, just set for my home elevation here in Utah. Fast enough to get in trouble, torquey enough to move an almost 800lb bike with ease, and they sound awesome
Another great video! Nice to spice things up with something different. Keep up the good work!
That counter balance shaft was really a multi tasker, 1) idler between crank and clutch, 2) the thing with the ramps is a shock absorber that eases stress from crank torque, and 3) it drives the counter balance
4) It drives the oil pump.
@@woodhonky3890 I'm old and can't think of everything
@@battleshipnewjerseysailor4738 I'm old too brother and I was just trying to help.
@@woodhonky3890 No problem buddy, without correction we retard advancement
Thank you again for the entertainment... It's an every Saturday night thing anymore... I don't do bikes I used to, but I've moved on to big diesel engines... Still a fun time watching, and Thank you
Thank you for switching it up. Very cool seeing inside a motorcycle engine AND transmission. Interesting to know that a big hit can bend the cylinder like that.
48 seconds in and I LOVE this teardown! Thanks pal!!
The piece from the center of the primary case, that you said you don't know what it is, is called a compensator. It absorbs the rapid change in revs from the engine / clutch / starter and smooths them out before they get to the transmission so it doesn't rattle things apart and smooths out the final drive so you don't feel all of that on the road. Not sure if anyone else called that out, I haven't scoured the comments. This was a fun one!
Good to see a simple bike engine. I was wondering about the cases splitting as there is a tool for that called a "case splitter". Imagine that! The cam chain design is common in overhead cam motorcycle engines as it is quiet and it manages the tight turn around the small crankshaft sprocket much better than a simple link chain would, especially in higher RPM applications.
Overhead cams on a long stroke big twin makes for a tall top end assembly. Pushrod Harley engines are more compact in that respect, much like your beloved LS engines. OHC seems unnecessary for the lowish RPM these Victory engines turn. Quite a few riders disliked the appearance of this engine due to the unusually tall top end assembly. When these engines were in production, they handily spanked their Harley competition in power output. The Harley engine is better looking than this Victory though, and looks matter, especially for cruisers.
The Harley is a 45 degree twin, while this Victory is 50 degrees. The Harley engine's loping engine sound is iconic while the sound made by this Victory is comparatively "blah". It is interesting that a 5 degree difference in V angle matters that much. Engine sound also matters to riders.
Polaris moved on from Victory and sells Indian now. Indian offers big air cooled pushrod twin, the "Thunderstroke 116" and the higher tech liquid cooled "PowerPlus" engine, which, true to it's name, offers good power for this type of machine. I think Polaris is doing it better these days with Indian, as Indian offers a wider range of products that potentially appeal to a greater variety of riders.
If you want a motorcycle engine with a more carlike architecture, go find yourself a Honda Gold Wing engine. The Gold Wing's flat 6 is probably the most reliable bike engine ever made. Plenty of "Wings" out there with serious 6 figure mileage on them, over 400K is not unheard of at all. Even high performance sport bikes can go many miles with good care too, particularly the larger 1,000cc engines, which live an easy life as nobody can run a 175+ MPH 1000 hard on the street for very long and not die or get their ass thrown in jail. I had a friend with a Honda CBR900 sport bike that had over 300K miles on it. He lived in CA and used that bike to commute and rode it on weekends. Ya, he seemingly lived on that bike and he was a single guy 😆
Great points, yet I do not agree as much on the influence of vee angle on the sound - it seems to be more related to exhaust design and low rpm tune. After all, H-D has exhaust pulses spaced 315 and 405 degrees apart, while Victory has 310 and 410 degrees respectively - the difference is very slight and Victory had more uneven pattern.
When you take a harley and put straight pipes on it whatever sounds it makes IS TOO FUCKIN LOUD!!! CHROME AIR COMPRESSOR!!!
Some people like the Harley feel and sounds. The rest are just satisfied with the mundane rice burners!
Thank you for your entertainment I'm a very depressed individual and I look forward to ur weekly videos. Thank you sir
It was nice to see this tear down. My son and I are about to rebuild an 82 Yamaha and having never done a bike motor before this was really cool to see. Thank you.
Not even a minute into the video and I already know I'm going to like it!
I am super stoked for this! Way to come out of deep, left field with one! That's one hell of an impact to crack the cylinder skirt like that!
Probably why the the engine split so easy.Normally takes a special tool to split the halves.
That is a very impressive, well-built engine. Imagine what it could do powering a go kart. Thanks for this teardown.
19:35-Nice pry bar. I could use that in the shop for GM window regulators and HVAC cases.
Thanks for the vid. Too bad Victory is gone. Seems like a well built motorcycle.
Wow, nice design for this engine, easy to work on.
This is a nice change of pace. Great video man.
Good video. Fun to watch you tear down these engines. In my day of bikes, we called the cylinders lungs one lunger, two lunger.
I came to watch your latest vid, and you mentioned the "v twin" and not that im amotorcycle guy but I immediatly searched out this vid. Why, becasue its a bit diffrent... I totaly enjoy when you deviate just abit with intresting and new engines, OR transmission. Transmissions because I remember when you did the trans vid and although its a transmission I totally enjoyed that teardown too. Thank you so much for your vids, they help me during my recovery time. I had a kidney transplant last february, loaded with complications stuck in the hospital with nothing but time on my hands and your vids keep my mind active with intresting stuff I love... THank you agian,
This is fun, I feel like the emphasis on the chain that's growing a little every week is for me to keep wondering more and more. Well played yet again!!😆
Getting into bikes ! Awesome mate !! We need more of this ! Thanks !!!
This was great. More motorcycle engines, please! Find some busted BMWs and Triumphs if you can.
This video brought back memories of 16 year old me trying to change the head gasket on a 1980 dodge 2.2 L I had no clue what I was doing either. Good times! Enjoyed the video!
Back when all you had was the service manual or some book.
When I was 17 I tore down a Volkswagen Dasher wagon with the diesel, had no idea what I was doing thank God for the auto parts store then,
That’s when an auto parts store was an actual auto parts store
Just wanted to say a huge thankyou, I am stripping down one of these motors in the U.K with a friend to sort out a gear issue ( or lack of.. ) This video has helped us massively, tommorow we will be splitting the crank cases knowing exactly what to expect inside ..
I love the teardowns of unusual stuff equally as much as the carnage videos.
Eric,
Thinking 'outside the engine compartment' - thank you!
Paul (in MA)
Secretly been wanting a motorcycle engine/trans tear down and you deliver! Also correct that motorcycles are typically much better taken care of.
Pretty impressed with the build quality of that polaris motor nice job on the tear down Guy !
Eric, yes, those cylinders are called "JUGS" , my 1st bike was a '69 Suzuki T200, had a slight knock, pulled the jugs off and was missing a wrist pin clip & wrist pin had worked it's way out and left an 1/8" groove in the side of one jug, I replaced the clip, reassembled and rode it for many years, wish I still had it. Great video, keep up the variety and the great work !
I own The Vic Werks and Mill City Motorcycles and LOL yes you definitely did not tear that down the right way, but that is what makes your channel fun! Will be in touch monday Am for the parts!
Email sent
This video took me back almost 60 years to stripping down my Triumph Cub sprint bike.
The rotary shift system was a major development.
Old British bikes had two stage oil pumps; one stage scavenged oil into the tank, other pushed it to the bearings.
Looks like one well engineered piece of kit. Great teardown.
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Fascinating. First time seeing the inside of any type of motorcycle engine and transmission
Not quite a lawnmower engine, but we're getting closer! 😁
I can clearly see why this thing died. It's pretty awful.
why? @@johnnicol8598
Thank you for the video, Eric!
Loved the opening dad joke…to greater degree, loved the idea of taking different kinds of engines appart
This was a great video Eric!! Its been many years since I've seen a bike engine torn down. In reading other comments about Polaris buying Victory...its a shame that there wasn't someone put in charge...or better yet..left in charge of Victory when it was bought...great commercials too...
Polaris did not buy Victory, it was their own line.
Another great teardown. Thanks
Very interesting engine. Thank for the new adventure
I saw your video this time and did a ... double look. Literally said, "no wayyyyy." So cool. I've never known that much about Victory engines. People seemed to like the bikes.
My motorcycle sees less than 2000 miles a year. I change its oil every spring, run ethanol free fuel for the last few rides of the year and store it in an attached garage. It’s 18 years old, and when I bought it, it had 20k miles. It still runs perfectly well. Engine has a decompression valve that’s noisy at idle and some guys remove them, but it’s not going to hurt it.
Ouch, looks like somebody lost a shoe on that wreck! Cool to see something different, thanks for snagging it for us.
Great video!, You and a sizable portion of your audience learned a lot.
Like some of the other folks said, the rider of that Victory probably sustained more serious damage than the engine. And that engine took a tremendous shot indeed. I just hope the rider didn't suffer crippling injuries or worse.
So not to be a Donny Downer but for anyone who's entertaining riding a bike just remember this engine's
damage. I don't ride much anymore, but I always tried to ride like I was a mouse in a room full of cats.
Perfect video! You should do more of this.
Love the video, I hope you do more motors from different "vehicles" in the future. I would even like to see a boat motor. Not particular about the brand but seeing different motors is cool.
this is a winner and you never fail to impress
Right on! Been wondering if you would ever tear down mc engines... Just finished up a cam, lifters install in one of my HDs.... Yes, I have a MC problem (6 of em).... Looking forward to this and hopefully more... 👍👍
as per usual with every video, it always comes down to that damn dip stick always getting in the way
Ur channel is my favorite, thank u
Love these videos, Eric. Keep challenging the norm, we'll keep watching!
btw those nuts were pretty big.
was it hard?
You need an air impact to remove the drive pulley nut, goes on with 180 ft lbs torque.
I love how you can take something apart not knowing what it is but knowing what it is.
Great video! Love to see Mc engines!!
Those engines are damn near bullet proof. I get one in every now and then. Pure Polaris where I get parts.
I have never seen a motorcycle engine taken apart before, that was awesome.