As a bruiser I feel like GA is underwhelming right now and could probably be replaced rather easily. It's just that people are way to used to start clump fights with gravity well and it is still good for that since it clumps people and lock them down (for like 0.75sec) but I think the most important thing is that it's a good visual that people are used too see.
Firestaff and Musket on EU probably at the BEST level. this tier list looks like NA war tier list. VG with magnetic is in very good spot too,i dont know whats going on with na meta but it seems the difference between eu and na is big.
Spear definitely has a couple of counters, but it just doesn't have to always confront it. I think your point about BB being a natural predator that has fallen off is a good one. Thing is, while spear is a cream that's risen to the top, it actually hasn't seen much/any direct changes in a long time. The dodge stam nerf to heavy is really the biggest thing, that pushed down every other heavy build in a way that doesn't apply to (heavy) spear, since it's so good at recovering stamina.
There was a ghost change where the dodge stam reduction went from having to dodge backwards to being able to dodge in any direction. Combined w the heavy change made it really solid.
not sure if this tier list is using wars as baseline but bb in opr and arenas is an absolute beast specially paired with abyss or firestaff. either of these setups is a pain to deal with
Sadly I took a break mostly until they launched group finder. Then find out it's basically useless on US West so until player pops recover if ever I'm benching the game mostly. Having more fun in GW2 doing PVP there.
Disagree with your statement saying spear has no counter. Spear lacks a reliable gap closer. A skilled light armor ranged player can kite to counter it
Yea I mean it’s ok with greatsword and ga too, but just isn’t as popular since ideally you want str/dex scaling as a secondary weapon and greatsword gets deleted fairly quickly now
Light armor ranged players don't really have a place in any roster atm. You'll slot maybe 3 at most in a war to to pick up the low health leftovers. Don't really need to counter a ranged player when you can play objective with your healers. Ranged is just a selfish playstyle for pumping personal numbers
If the counter is running, then theres no counter. The tierlist is talking about single weapons, but still taking in consideration the gamemodes, not just 1v1s; You wont win the Point (OPR, War, Races) against a Spear by running away (Open World, 3v3?).
I play heavy with 150 Con, SNS / Spear. Been pvping for 2 weeks now. I get DMs on a regular basis from people I’ve killed talking shit and calling me bad because my build is “meta”. I chose it randomly, and even avoided Bow/ Fire Staff because I thought those looked cheap.
also str bb is getting a 10% ability dmg buff from 350 str next patch i guess. dont think that makes it any better for wars tho because they want to run it with int builds
best tire lest for sure but I would like to say 1- musket is really OP in right hand as your stream chat said in EU i've seen companies looking for good musket players XD 2- i played more than 300opr game (kinda new to the game ) but i have never lost a match if we have IG/VG player there really annoying to the enemy team 3- hatchet in EU is really op with the backstab perk cuz most players when they see a hatchet activating berserk they turn around to run XD 4- I've been trying light BB + Warhammer as assassin it's op most light players use thrust + fire RIS gems ( armor breaker + mighty gavel ) hit so hard love your long videos keep it up :)
Yea there are a lot of off meta very viable builds but people are often afraid to try new things. I try to do a opr tier list every month ish to cover every variant.
Hey ! Will you do a tier list about PVE ? I mean, in M3 or content need to dont pick anything without think about it. Very curious to know where you'll put the flail in that case. I love play it but think he has no place in M3
Spear is OP because Bow users went to Lightning, creating this weird gap category that physical BB and Spear fall into. Also, top end rosters are slow to adapt if anything. It took them months to realize how dangerous WH and Spear are. And I distinctly remember talking with Whirlwhip about this for hours many months ago. Same goes for Health vs. Conditioning or Invig. vs. Conditioning. Wars are won with personnel these days, not strategies.
I really think the meta is gonna shake up on spear with venom coming out as well, venom/sns with replace half of the spears doing a 50/50 split between scorp and venom. 2500 in ticks alone with the spear
@@GenDrake3 I wouldn't say a whole terribly lot, my thought is full nature harnessing to take full effect from the poison it applies. The tick from with from sweep's coup de grace without nature harnessing is 700
mate in my opinion scorp is only good for assassin build and having fun tbh XD venom misght replace a BIS 700GS spear yeah 50/50 split between BIS 700GS spear and venom :)
29:00 He did mention it; I think it just has the same problem of Bow, its too easy to be trash with it, the weapon doesnt carry, the skill of the player does.
shirking fort is dogwater in the currently meta. Medium sucks ass aswell now. Light or heavy nothing between that except medium bruiser and spear rapier maybe
Spear only became “OP” because of the way the meta shifted. I always played spear, always light, and the weapons was always good, not OP, nor weak, and it wasn’t even played anymore. It wasn’t broken in any way, until this stupid heavy disruptor meta showed up. Now, they’ll probably nerf spear, making spear light non viable, because they way disruptors abuse it. And that’s why the game will never be balanced, they nerf and buff stuff, like spear, without spear itself being the problem.
i try25 con but its to risck for a meele rapier guy, i dont use mortar bcz i use the bb as support so: netsho for escape and chase+hook to close gap+ bombs to do some dmg
OPR & Wars. Open World is chaos, 3v3s bumps up all Ranged, 1v1 isnt talked about, and PvE always follows a different meta. All weapons still viable if you optimize them enough tho.
crazy how many ppl cry to me about how BB is broken in opr lol, even on my videos i get ppl writing like "oh 67-0 isnt impressive when you use a bb its so broken" so many grandpas on this game and they smoking crack for sure.
🤣 anyone saying that an insane amount of kills, like 67 isn't impressive is jealous or smoke ton of crack yeah, that's another valid option xD And let's imagine for a second that BB is the most broken weapon, how many people play BB and don't even get 10 kills? Like If that isn't impressive, why we don't see people dropping 50kills + every day with BB builds? I don't know what the logic is in trying to discredit merit when it is due 🤷♂
10% dmg buff next season cuz they fixing 350str passive for range abilities :D. i do think this list was very war oriented and BB definatly isnt bottom tier in opr, but maybe thats just my opinion, i think it counters spear quite well@@ThaCousin
@@Mozarico nao soh sei ingles mas tambem ja morei nos estados unidos, e se o proprio mecrow me entendeu pq vou estar me importando com o ze ninguem q vc eh falando comigo, mas eu nao preciso provar nada para vc lindao. pense de mim o que quiser, minha vida eh otima, soh pq eu tenho um pouco de dislexia eu vo ficar triste, pelo contrario se mesmo com minha dificuldade eu cheguei aonde cheguei eu tenho orgulho, uma dica se vc se sente intimidado pelas conquistas dos outros pq vc nao conquista algo para vc se sentir bem ou invez de tentar diminuir os outros para justificar sua mediocridade, isso eh funciona com o povinho mediocre q ta do seu lado, pessoas seguras como eu acha ate graca colocar gente como vc no lugar q vc merece,na mediocridade. por sorte eu ja conquisetei e tenho muita coisa na vida mas mesmo se nao tivesse eu ia me orgulhar mesmo sem ter morrado fora viajado ou feito faculdade... acredita mais em vc e nao fica com essa sindrome do pinto pequeno nao coracao
@@MorcegoYar cão que mto ladra, acaba na carrocinha, ja disse Cesar MC. Quem mto fala que conquistou isso ou aquilo, é só falácia mesmo. Morar fora por morar, fora, tbm ja morei e nem por isso, fico gritando isso aos ventos. Vc fala mto, joga nada e só tem um nome no NW por ser horroroso. Sem mais. Alles gut für dich!!!
@@Mozarico eu nem falei para vc as minhas conquistas ainda lindao, eu nao fico gritando o q fiz ou deixo de fazer soh q se alguem vem falar merda para mim eu gosto de responder. porem peloq parece o q vc ve em mim te traz muita inveja fato eh q fica ai atraz de mim me dando ibope. kkkkk pode tentar me diminuir a vontade o horroroso vai continuas te ensinado ok, como eu disse vc ja ta acostumado a diminuir os outros para justificar sua mediocridae. para de justificar sua mediocridade tentando colocar os ouutros nos seu nivel... coracao, a vida eh tao boa.. mas entao, pode continuar me seguindo e pensando em mim ai pq eu gosto de holofote ok, bjo do morcego
Very good summary on each weapon. Agree with almost every weapon and tier u put them to.
As a bruiser I feel like GA is underwhelming right now and could probably be replaced rather easily. It's just that people are way to used to start clump fights with gravity well and it is still good for that since it clumps people and lock them down (for like 0.75sec) but I think the most important thing is that it's a good visual that people are used too see.
Great video as always, ty.
Glad to know I'll be fixed next patch :D
Firestaff and Musket on EU probably at the BEST level. this tier list looks like NA war tier list. VG with magnetic is in very good spot too,i dont know whats going on with na meta but it seems the difference between eu and na is big.
Agree !
Spear definitely has a couple of counters, but it just doesn't have to always confront it. I think your point about BB being a natural predator that has fallen off is a good one.
Thing is, while spear is a cream that's risen to the top, it actually hasn't seen much/any direct changes in a long time. The dodge stam nerf to heavy is really the biggest thing, that pushed down every other heavy build in a way that doesn't apply to (heavy) spear, since it's so good at recovering stamina.
There was a ghost change where the dodge stam reduction went from having to dodge backwards to being able to dodge in any direction. Combined w the heavy change made it really solid.
not sure if this tier list is using wars as baseline but bb in opr and arenas is an absolute beast specially paired with abyss or firestaff. either of these setups is a pain to deal with
I might find your videos more interesting than actually playing new world lol great job
Sometimes I pref making them than playing too ngl lmao
Sadly I took a break mostly until they launched group finder. Then find out it's basically useless on US West so until player pops recover if ever I'm benching the game mostly. Having more fun in GW2 doing PVP there.
Disagree with your statement saying spear has no counter. Spear lacks a reliable gap closer. A skilled light armor ranged player can kite to counter it
Hence why most spears pair with sns. Ez pz
@GenDrake3 Correct me if I'm wrong, but we are talking about Spear correct? Not SnS, not weapon combos.
Yea I mean it’s ok with greatsword and ga too, but just isn’t as popular since ideally you want str/dex scaling as a secondary weapon and greatsword gets deleted fairly quickly now
Light armor ranged players don't really have a place in any roster atm. You'll slot maybe 3 at most in a war to to pick up the low health leftovers. Don't really need to counter a ranged player when you can play objective with your healers. Ranged is just a selfish playstyle for pumping personal numbers
If the counter is running, then theres no counter.
The tierlist is talking about single weapons, but still taking in consideration the gamemodes, not just 1v1s;
You wont win the Point (OPR, War, Races) against a Spear by running away (Open World, 3v3?).
I play heavy with 150 Con, SNS / Spear. Been pvping for 2 weeks now. I get DMs on a regular basis from people I’ve killed talking shit and calling me bad because my build is “meta”. I chose it randomly, and even avoided Bow/ Fire Staff because I thought those looked cheap.
It is meta, its the easiest build rn to play. Try playing it in light and tell me how you go
also str bb is getting a 10% ability dmg buff from 350 str next patch i guess. dont think that makes it any better for wars tho because they want to run it with int builds
Ga bb is viable too so maybe with that?
We'll see. It'll be a nice buff to my build if they don't nuke medium. I love how a bug fix is a buff in this game. xD
best tire lest for sure but I would like to say
1- musket is really OP in right hand as your stream chat said in EU i've seen companies looking for good musket players XD
2- i played more than 300opr game (kinda new to the game ) but i have never lost a match if we have IG/VG player there really annoying to the enemy team
3- hatchet in EU is really op with the backstab perk cuz most players when they see a hatchet activating berserk they turn around to run XD
4- I've been trying light BB + Warhammer as assassin it's op most light players use thrust + fire RIS gems ( armor breaker + mighty gavel ) hit so hard
love your long videos keep it up :)
Yea there are a lot of off meta very viable builds but people are often afraid to try new things. I try to do a opr tier list every month ish to cover every variant.
Bow/Spear and Bow/Hatchet time to shine.
Hey ! Will you do a tier list about PVE ? I mean, in M3 or content need to dont pick anything without think about it. Very curious to know where you'll put the flail in that case. I love play it but think he has no place in M3
maybe, flail is good only because of best friends in PVE since the buff persists on weapon swap but is an uncommon sight
For a medium load Spear/Sns, which is preferred? Shirking Fort or Shirking Heals?
And the other two BIS perks are what? Ele Aversion and Health?
Both
Musket average? You have to be specific. Musket in opr is cancer
musket in opr is just free kills. so easy to kill them and make them miss
Spear is OP because Bow users went to Lightning, creating this weird gap category that physical BB and Spear fall into.
Also, top end rosters are slow to adapt if anything. It took them months to realize how dangerous WH and Spear are. And I distinctly remember talking with Whirlwhip about this for hours many months ago. Same goes for Health vs. Conditioning or Invig. vs. Conditioning. Wars are won with personnel these days, not strategies.
I really think the meta is gonna shake up on spear with venom coming out as well, venom/sns with replace half of the spears doing a 50/50 split between scorp and venom. 2500 in ticks alone with the spear
How much does slash conditioning reduce the ticks on the bleed since bleed scales with slash
@@GenDrake3 I wouldn't say a whole terribly lot, my thought is full nature harnessing to take full effect from the poison it applies. The tick from with from sweep's coup de grace without nature harnessing is 700
@@evilarisen8409 are you in medium?
@@GenDrake3 for the testing i did yes medium with tumblers
mate in my opinion scorp is only good for assassin build and having fun tbh XD venom misght replace a BIS 700GS spear yeah 50/50 split between BIS 700GS spear and venom :)
musket w powder burn at the bottom?? lol 😂😂😂😂 re do the tier list lmfaoo should be "maybe op" at the very minimum
29:00 He did mention it; I think it just has the same problem of Bow, its too easy to be trash with it, the weapon doesnt carry, the skill of the player does.
People still sleeping on bb/ig. Medium loadout stacked with shirking fort + shirking heals and tumblers. So much fortify, utility and burst.
Shhhhh dont tell em Kent🤫
Bb ig was good. Kinda dropped off bc of the bb nerfs. Still good for opr though just not so much war
shirking fort is dogwater in the currently meta. Medium sucks ass aswell now. Light or heavy nothing between that except medium bruiser and spear rapier maybe
@@lowensohn467 bruh😂
Where can I see a spear rapier build?
Isth3reno1else TH-cam use tu run FinisherSpear i believe he jas a build in his channel.
Idk, I'm doing great with hatchet, just wish it would connect little more
I didnt know weapon counter existed, can you make a short video about counter?
Yea I mean there are soft and hard counters. Spear is a hard counter to ga in a 1v1 but in larger scale it’s more balanced since ga has better aoes
Spear only became “OP” because of the way the meta shifted.
I always played spear, always light, and the weapons was always good, not OP, nor weak, and it wasn’t even played anymore.
It wasn’t broken in any way, until this stupid heavy disruptor meta showed up. Now, they’ll probably nerf spear, making spear light non viable, because they way disruptors abuse it.
And that’s why the game will never be balanced, they nerf and buff stuff, like spear, without spear itself being the problem.
wrong. spear became op when they made the perk that gives you cheaper dodges after hitting someone not only apply to backward dodges. now its broken
damn that's crazy
spear went from being underrated to now broken at the game's death
cuz spear is the only good counter to heavy sns meta.
BB suport (pestilence) with rapier is my main build now a days
I know a guy who used to play that with 5 con and mortar was fun lol
i try25 con but its to risck for a meele rapier guy, i dont use mortar bcz i use the bb as support so: netsho for escape and chase+hook to close gap+ bombs to do some dmg
Is this list weighted heavily towards war?
It is but I talk about other modes throughout too
OPR & Wars.
Open World is chaos, 3v3s bumps up all Ranged, 1v1 isnt talked about, and PvE always follows a different meta.
All weapons still viable if you optimize them enough tho.
so for a disruptor sns/ spear heavy?
Yea that’s the meta
crazy how many ppl cry to me about how BB is broken in opr lol, even on my videos i get ppl writing like "oh 67-0 isnt impressive when you use a bb its so broken" so many grandpas on this game and they smoking crack for sure.
🤣 anyone saying that an insane amount of kills, like 67 isn't impressive is jealous or smoke ton of crack yeah, that's another valid option xD
And let's imagine for a second that BB is the most broken weapon, how many people play BB and don't even get 10 kills?
Like If that isn't impressive, why we don't see people dropping 50kills + every day with BB builds? I don't know what the logic is in trying to discredit merit when it is due 🤷♂
10% dmg buff next season cuz they fixing 350str passive for range abilities :D. i do think this list was very war oriented and BB definatly isnt bottom tier in opr, but maybe thats just my opinion, i think it counters spear quite well@@ThaCousin
It’s a decent support weapon in opr w all the slows yea
Not dmg wise, but netshots are free kills. BB is literally used only for Netshot.
Only fun left in this game is killing the coward bows in opr 10 times a match with ga/bb tbh
Imagine to never play 3v3 saying bb is below average.
3v3 queues are over 40 minutes long... 3v3 at this point is not a gamemode :/
@@mecr0w under minute in prime time. Top 50 players in terms of dmg/kda/wins/kills is bb/firemage
And it’s way more accurate in case of “what’s strong” and yes, spear is insanely powerful also
It’s 40 minutes at like 3-6am haha from noon-2am it’s under 15 mins if not instant
MECROW i thing that the beyblade axe as a suport chaicing weapon its gona be strong
I want it to be so bad would be so funny
Grande Morcego, que ontem mesmo disse no chat global que falava 3 linguas fluentemente. Nota-se que inglês, não é uma delas! hahaha
@@Mozarico nao soh sei ingles mas tambem ja morei nos estados unidos, e se o proprio mecrow me entendeu pq vou estar me importando com o ze ninguem q vc eh falando comigo, mas eu nao preciso provar nada para vc lindao. pense de mim o que quiser, minha vida eh otima, soh pq eu tenho um pouco de dislexia eu vo ficar triste, pelo contrario se mesmo com minha dificuldade eu cheguei aonde cheguei eu tenho orgulho, uma dica se vc se sente intimidado pelas conquistas dos outros pq vc nao conquista algo para vc se sentir bem ou invez de tentar diminuir os outros para justificar sua mediocridade, isso eh funciona com o povinho mediocre q ta do seu lado, pessoas seguras como eu acha ate graca colocar gente como vc no lugar q vc merece,na mediocridade. por sorte eu ja conquisetei e tenho muita coisa na vida mas mesmo se nao tivesse eu ia me orgulhar mesmo sem ter morrado fora viajado ou feito faculdade... acredita mais em vc e nao fica com essa sindrome do pinto pequeno nao coracao
@@MorcegoYar cão que mto ladra, acaba na carrocinha, ja disse Cesar MC. Quem mto fala que conquistou isso ou aquilo, é só falácia mesmo. Morar fora por morar, fora, tbm ja morei e nem por isso, fico gritando isso aos ventos. Vc fala mto, joga nada e só tem um nome no NW por ser horroroso. Sem mais. Alles gut für dich!!!
@@Mozarico eu nem falei para vc as minhas conquistas ainda lindao, eu nao fico gritando o q fiz ou deixo de fazer soh q se alguem vem falar merda para mim eu gosto de responder. porem peloq parece o q vc ve em mim te traz muita inveja fato eh q fica ai atraz de mim me dando ibope. kkkkk pode tentar me diminuir a vontade o horroroso vai continuas te ensinado ok, como eu disse vc ja ta acostumado a diminuir os outros para justificar sua mediocridae. para de justificar sua mediocridade tentando colocar os ouutros nos seu nivel... coracao, a vida eh tao boa.. mas entao, pode continuar me seguindo e pensando em mim ai pq eu gosto de holofote ok, bjo do morcego
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Dont like this tier list ...
First
Keep disrespecting Flail I dare you
Try me I main flail ;(