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Ceruse finish on an Ash guitar body blank
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ส.ค. 2024
- So lately I've been experimenting with some finishing techniques and wanted something that stands out, so I started to play around with Ceruse finish on this Ash body.
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Surprisingly simple and exactly what I needed! As much as I love the dog hair finish, the way the grain took to the black spray can without any filler looked insane!
Thanks buddy!
Exactly my thoughts. I liked the black grain finish better, but looks good with the filler too
Yeah, I would have been perfectly happy with that even before the putty was applied. That looked awesome too.
Thanks,Manicaro. I learned how to do this finish because of this video. Great work.
Thanks buddy!
Man that looks incredible. And so simple really. Amazing.
Thanks!
Based on your YT this is what I learned trying it on several samples. Wood prep: wire brush the bare wood with the grain, then sand up to 220/240, apply some Naphtha to raise the grain and sand again to 220/240. Painting: I like the black and suggest using satin black. (I used Mohawk Satin Black) I think it looks better than gloss but that’s personal preference. Apply 5-6 coats. Next apply a clear sealer or top coat, I prefer Mohawk clear satin. Apply 5-6 coats. Apply the white grain filler. I tried a few and prefer Wunderfil wood filler. Other fillers dry too fast and this gives you a min to get the excess off but you have to work a small area quickly. Use lots of paper towels or clean rags. I don’t recommend steel wool because it will dull the finish with tiny scratches. The reason for applying so many coats of paint and sealer is that you won’t rub through the black finish trying to remove the white filler. After removing the excess white (the grain may require a couple of white applications) put as many clear coats on as you like. Just make sure it’s compatible with your paint and sealer on a test sample first.
If you apply 5-6 coats of paint you risk to clog most of the pores and the effect will be less.
True but this wood is so porous and by wire brushing and vacuuming the surface the effect is still stunning. And you don’t dull the background. I’ve tweaked the process on about 5 ash samples and this is what I learned
Do you sand in between paint coats?
Jim this is darn helpful as you shared the Grain filler to use and pointed out the importance of sealing the base coat first.
@@InvictusS5 sorry I’m just seeing your question. It’s been so long but I’m guessing I didn’t sand to build up coats.
Remarkably nice work!
Dude, that finish looks great! I did enjoy your vidio, thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Its all about the wood - and good prep work helps. Thats a beautiful body - both all black, and with the grain fill. It looks like it came off a high dollar guitar.
so THAT'S how it's done! Been trying to figure it out in my head for months lol! Saw a cool guitar that had a red finish with black pores. Thanks for the video dude!
Basically, it's not a step-by-step how to. The guy tried to show how to make a dog hair finish, unfortunatelly, he's more of a creator, not a couch.The shape of the wood and the result though... Magnificent
Seen some Ibanez guitars with dog hair finishes, pretty cool look! But the same process should work for other colors too right?
Yep, it will work with any pair of contrasting colors. You may use luminiscent pigments too ))
Also, in my humble opinion, Ash is the best (but not the only) wood for this type of finish.
@@Heuchler52 oak has similar open grain to ash and will work well too.
@@GatenGraver While oak splintery-splinters.
In the end, it turned out pretty well!
Cool vid mate, that looks awesome, what brand did you use?
Tks dude, been looking to get this result for a long time.
Me too
Thanks for the video, I am about to embark on my first kit build and this has helped with some ideas I have.
Just make sure it's an Ash body for this effect!
Great technique, thank you for sharing.
Very good demonstration.
Thanks
James
Very much appreciated!!! Thanks!
Excellent video, many thanks for sharing (Y)
Great video, the best one on this subject I think. Thanks Manicaro!
Push HARD on your cerusing wax when applying and then be more gentle removing the excess. You want that stuff deep in the grain.
Thanks for your advise buddy!
I did this to a mahogany guitar I built recently although I used the sun to first darken the wood a few shades (as mahogany darkens under UV light) ,then filled the grain with black wood filler and used a fine finishing sanding sponge once it had dried to remove the excess filler then proceeded with boiled linseed oil which I find pairs superbly with spray can clear coat due to spray cans containing acetone to thin the paint which allows it to bond to an oil finish nicely
How did it turn out? I know mahogany is not so much porous as ash wood.
@@ManicaroCustomGuitars it turned out quite nicely ,not as visible as the one in the video although I used black on dark brown wood so it's alot more subtle unless you look closely
That's the thing with mahogany, isn't that grainy as Ash
that's very true
Looks very cool.
I really like it !
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That looks amazing sir!
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Ok....
I dig it, thanks dude.
I love it!
water based wood putty for the white? Spray paint for the black?
Yes, alternately you can use poster paints instead too.
Could you mix some color into the wood putty to highlight the wood pattern other than white?
Well yes, but better to find a ready colored putty.
That would be sick!!!
Thanks for posting this video it’s gonna help me a lot. Your project turned out great. I do have a question, do you put a clear coat over the filter once it’s applied?
I too have this same question. And I would like to know how to make the grain accent bright red.
My apologies for the late reply, yes after you have to seal it with a clear coat. If you want a bright red, then find either bright red filler or maybe pastel colors.
Awesome! thank you for showing, Im building a telecaster in about a month and was looking to do the exact same finish! what would you use to seal it after everything is finished?
Lacquer or like on this guitar I used True-oil to seal it.
the BEST Sealer in the world is sweat from practice. Learn your scales.
Hi I love the video, can you tell me what sort of paint did you use, what sort of putty and any other material you used thanks
So, black spray can and then I used a water based grain filler putty and 0000 steel wool.
well done, thank you.
Loved it! What would you coat it with afterwards, sir..?
Thanks, well you can seal it with some lacquer or in this case I sealed it with couple of coats of True-oil.
did you use a flat, satin or full gloss black? Thanks. Great finish.
I don't remember exactly, from the footage it looks satin. Something I didn't mention is that I sealed everything with a fin coat of lacquer. You can use gloss or satin lacquer for the final result.
@@ManicaroCustomGuitars thank you that was a huge help. You have inspired me to do the same with my ibanez. I appreciate your video & after thoughts. Excellent work.
Make sure it's an Ash body, this technique doesn't work well with a closed grain wood like for example mahogany.
@@ManicaroCustomGuitars according to Ibanez the RG121DXL comes with a Okoume body. Im told this has a moderately porous or open grain. Worth a try i guess. Thanks again. I appreciate it. I loved the way your finished looked even before the clear .
Your finished product could the white part be stained say red?
Always be careful around sharp edges when buffing. You will remove the finish. I believe they call it corning
Ciao, complimenti bellissimo lavoro. Potresti scrivermi le marche dei prodotti utilizzati? Poi volevo chiedere, una volta finita questa fase come si procede? Quando si considera terminata la finitura? Grazie
Ala fine pui siggilare tutto con un paio di passate d'olio oppure spray lacquer. Pere marche, puoi usare qualsiasi vernice spray nera che vuoi, poi oh usato quisto prodotta qua www.kantarzoglou.gr/auxiliary-materials/wood-putty-200gr-no1-mahogany-light-cosmos-lac10733.html
I just got a swamp ash tele body I want to do this to.
Can you tell me exactly which black spray you used on this?
I want to just spray it black like you had it before you applied the white paste to it.
In this case I used a generic acrylic black spray can. You can use spray can or mix the paint yourself and use a spray gun.
Nice job!
I tried it but then the black pain got removed as well。I guess I'll have to wait till the black finish to dry longer
Well yes the black finish was fully cured, besides that, that's why I chose a water based filler over a spirit base filler.
Really excellent video. Finish looks fantastic. Thanks for sharing this with us,
Could you please pa link to the exact wood filler and paint you used? Was the paint gloss or satin? Did you use an exterior or interior acrylic paint? Great video thank you very much
Paint gloss, interior paint and www.kantarzoglou.gr/auxiliary-materials/wood-putty-200gr-no1-mahogany-light-cosmos-lac10733.html
hi couple question 1 Does this work with Swamp Ash as well?
2 What were the products you were using for the Black and the sealer?
I have a Warwick Teambuild bass coming and being a lefty it gets very basic for what you get so its just a natural wood finish.
Id like to do something with it to bring it to life and I cam across this and wow it amazing. I also subscribed and followed I was really impressed just was trying to figure out the products you were using Thanks
Well that's actually Ash wood, swamp Ash probably the same. So the black colour was a black acrylic spray can, and I used a white water based wood putty for the filling the grain and I sealed everything with a couple of coats of True oil in this case but you can seal it with lacquer too.
@@ManicaroCustomGuitars perfect thank you
Thank you for posting I really learned a lot! I liked and subscribed Have you any more info on pore fill finishes using colors?
No, not yet. But I have a project similar to this one down the road.
Think u could add dye to that like red and it would have the same effect??
I've been asked that question a lot! Personally never tried it, you could add some stain the the filler.
Love that body. Did you make that or purchase somewhere?
I machined it my self
Wait. This is the best tutorial about this styl finish.
Just a simple question: the white putty that you use, ccould I mix it with a color, like red, orange, purple? Or where can I get color waterbased putty?
I think you may water it down a bit more and mix some concentrating paint to it. Some online lutherie suppliers have specific colored fillers for this purpose but white is easy to find at a local hardware store.
I dont understand what the white stuff was that you put into the grain. You said wood putty but that doesnt really make sense to me. Whats the product called?
It's a water based grain filler, some knows it as wood putty.
I loved your finish! Would mixing wood stain into the wood putty work?
It might work, I'm not 100% about it but you're better off trying a test piece first.
Looks really nice, thanks for sharing. A quick question... have you tried doing this without the step of the wire brush? What is the difference? Is the effect just more subtle?
No, I haven't tried it. But probably yes the effect will be more subtle.
@@ManicaroCustomGuitars Thanks, I think it looks great. One last question, does the wood retain the feel of the open pores? I mean like compared to using a wood filler which should result in a smooth surface.
Yes you definitely can feel the wood pores, it's not a smooth finish.
@@ManicaroCustomGuitars Thanks!
Stunning. How did you seal and finish the guitar?
Big Thanks Bro. ^^
Thanks buddy!
looks good
Thanks buddy!
Hi, which products would you recommend for matte black base and ruby/neon red graving? I would buy them maybe from Amazon, but I don't mind any other shop, that ships into Czech Republic. Thanks a lot
Hi, regarding the matte black base I would suggest checking out a local wood/automotive finish supply shop. I’m guessing you want to grain fill right? Try to find poster colors in that ruby/neon you like.
@@ManicaroCustomGuitars thank you!
Might be a stupid question, but would this work on a quilted maple veneer ?
I want to do a silver and black kinda sunburst with this wood grain filler effect added.
Also can I clear coat everything when it's finished ?
And thank you for the video.
I really appreciate you explaining how to do this, it looks awesome!
Hi, no this method won't work on that maple veneer. You can stain it black first, and sanded down then add the silver to it or vice versa and see how it goes. This Cerus finish is mostly suitable for open grain wood like in this case Ash, and yes at the end is sealed with a coat of lacquer.
Hey your guitarbody looks amaizing. I'm building a bass and I want to have a ceruse finnish just like you. What kind of wax did you exactly use for filling the grains?
It's a water based grain filler, the most important is that you use Ash wood.
I got started on mine ! Pelham blue and white looks good so far but I didn’t wait long enough and the blue mixed in with white .
So I have 2 questions . How far did you sand the black before starting? And what do you do when done adding the putty. Any top coating or Satin finish .
Thanks again for the video I watched like 10 times
Actually I didn't sand the black at all. Yes after everything is done you can seal it with some Tru-oil or lacquer. Could it be that what you used to fill the grain reacted with the paint? That's why I used a water based filler instead of something spirit base.
Would this work good with a water bass stain too and using the water base putty?
Yes, but the color wont be as strong, you can always try on a piece of scrap Ash.
Nice 👍
Great video man. How did you manage to show the grain by using acrylic paint? Will it not cover the grain?
That's Ash a very opened grain wood, so you'll need a lot of paint to completely cover all the grain.
That's Ash a very opened grain wood, so you'll need a lot of paint to completely cover all the grain.
HIII! thank you for sharing, im completely new to this - what wood is the guitar made of to have such pattern?
The guitar body is made out of Ash, this effect will only work on an open grain wood like Ash.
did you use primer or sealer before painting? I love thelook of the guitar even before the putty! looks great!
No, I didn't. If you seal the grain with primer or sealer you won't have this open grain effect, and yes black mat rdfte finish on Ash is gorgeous.
@@ManicaroCustomGuitars awesome! thank you, I'll try it on my guitar. It's ceader with a mahogany top. I'll probably try to just die it black so I don't have to sand off the already existing filling. I don't know if that is possible though.
@@edumaloco I don't think that combination of woods are ideal for that kind of finish. Ash is a prime candidate.
Great job bro what brand of materials you used?every paint and wax are different thanks.
This is the filler:
www.kantarzoglou.gr/en/auxiliary-materials/wood-putty-200gr-no10-natural-cosmos-lac10989.html
Regarding the paint it was a generic acrylic spraycan, and after I sealed everything with True Oil
Can you tell us wich black paint did you use?
It was an off the shelf acrylic black paint.
Can you use more than 1 colour putty when doing this?
Yes, why not...
Do you do some seal coat on the top when done?
Yes, I sealed it afterwards with a couple of coats if true-oil. You can use lacquer too.
will this method work with stain or dye? or does it have to be paint?
Not really, the effect will be completely different.
Hi Manicaro, lovely work! Which brand and shade of black paint did you use on the body? And was it an aerosol?
Yes I used an aerosol can of Cosmoslac RAL9005
@@ManicaroCustomGuitars Thanks Manicaro. Much appreciated.
What did you use on top afterwards as the final finish? An oil or a something like a poly or lacquer/clear coat?
In this case I sealed it with an oil finish true-oil to be precise, but you can use any clear lacquer.
Hey , can you break down the brand names of the materials used . . I’m am going for this method soon and your method is understandable to me . Thanks
So, black spray can any brand or mixed with a spray gun. The water-based wood filler/putty www.kantarzoglou.gr/auxiliary-materials/wood-putty-200gr-no1-mahogany-light-cosmos-lac10733.html and 0000 steel wool.
This is a great video... :D
Nice..👍👍👍
Grazie Mille ragazzo!!!!
Great video. So what was your next step? Spray with rattle can clear and buff?
Yes, well in this case I just put a couple of coats of Tru oil to seal the filler. Mostly because that what I had at hand that time.
Manicaro Custom Guitars Nice! I loveTru-Oil!
Doing good my friend
Do you seal it with a lacquer or an oil after these steps you show us?
Yes I did,
@@ManicaroCustomGuitars What top coat would you recommend?
Up to you mate, you can use a clear lacquer or even oil, in this case I used Tru-oil to seal it.
Would it work doing the opposite by adding black grain to a white stained guitar?
Yes sure, in fact that was the idea about this project because I had two bodies but at that time o couldn't find any black filler.
@@ManicaroCustomGuitars make your own black filler. mix white paste with black outlining tattoo ink.
@@areyouavinalaff No I an't having a laugh, I didn't know at that time. Now I know, thanks buddy!
Did you finish it with nitrocellulose? I did this same experiment but had trouble leveling the nitrocellulose. Now I’m not sure I can wet sand. Fantastic effect. Changed it slightly with the nitro. I thought it would enhance it but at least with nitro, it detracted just a bit. I wonder if tru-oil would have worked better. Would love any thoughts about your experience!
Actually this was sealed with True-oil. You can still feel the grain in this guitar so the finish wast sanded flat and that's the effect a wanted.
@@ManicaroCustomGuitars Can tru-oil check like nitro if exposed to cold and heat? I’m nostalgic about those old guitars. Thanks for your response. My nitro went on well and I didn’t get any high spots. Didn’t quite know how to attack this one. Can’t wait to put it together as I’ve never had a tele. That swamp ash is great cerused.
@@GIBKEL I don't think it will check like nitro, it will get matt by time with use because it's not as durable as a lacquer finish.
@@ManicaroCustomGuitars ….damn me for taking the path less taken. I think a high grit cloth backed durable/flexible with a small soft ball of cloth as its center with small swirl to feel out the grain peeks and valleys might get me down the road. Slow and steady. The nitro laid down so nicely that I was surprised. I had only ever used a rattle can with the terrible spray heads. I wrongly assumed it would lay down flat and fill up to and even finish. It set up so quickly due to temp and humidity. I now need to tone down the shine of the nitro as it’s so reflective that it distracts - just reflects light from the beauty of that black and white contrast. Tru-oil would have served it much better. I loved the aesthetics of the Epiphone Coronet silver Fox on mahogany. Now I better understand Leo’s simplicity of painted ash for consistency’s for longevity. Mahogany grain lends itself a bit better to these grain centric finishes. I had forgotten that the Collings I had seen as inspiration was a mahogany top back and sides though they have also nailed it with ash. I will check your site…I need some inspiration.
Excellent video, buddy. I have a couple questions. I'm trying to do a les Paul swamp ash body like the Gibson voodoo finish. It is essentially the same look as the body you did. 1. How could I have the grains be RED on the black, and 2. is there a way to cover and protect the finish once I'm done, that DOESNT require a spray gun or a lot of technique? 3. I have a maple neck. Should I stain it or paint it to get it to match the black on the body the best? Thank you. I subscribed! :)
My apology for the late reply, so 1st you can find red filler or try using poster colors. I’ve people using it but I haven’t tried it yet myself. 2 I did put a coat of oil to protect the finish, you can do that or lacquer in a spray can. 3 honestly I love staining a maple neck black, then I go over it with 0000 steel wool to remove the excess stain.
It helps to apply the filler across the grain. The result here is epic though
StraylightGuitars I'll try that for the next time, thanks
StraylightGuitars - yeah scraping across the grain with a credit card really helps push grain filler in where you need it.
I almost went away when the wire brush appeared, but what a cool technique! It the mirror image of typical “popping the grain”.
M'intix Malti hux ghal li jista jkun?
Mela!
@@ManicaroCustomGuitars Prosit x' naqra ta kitarra! Ilni nfittex hafna kif nista naghmel dak il finish u Malti kellu jkun!
@@ericgrech5794 L'importanti li Ash l'injam al dan l'effett.
That was beautiful, awesome job. GF1 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😁😁😁😁😖😁😁😁😁😁😎
How did you come up with that black stain?what did you use?nice finish! I like it!
Thanks, that's not stain it's a black spray can.
@@ManicaroCustomGuitars wow,really nice.even better. After the grain fill, did you finish it with topcoat?
@@makinuthead Yes, I sealed it with some true-oil but you can use lacquer too
I did a nitro finish over a similar finish….now I’m paralyzed by the fear of wet sanding an uneven finish….any tips. I ended up with a light nitro (13-14 coats) and yet you still have a sense and a feel of the grain from the brush tear out in prep for grain filling. It’s beautiful but not sure of what to do now. The unevenness of the grain has me concerned I will blow through the high spots and create a strange(Bad looking) finish. Anyone out there been down this road….any tips? I had to do one of the few finishes that isn’t covered that well on YT or forums. Damn me for ever seeing a Collings!
Tough one. I get your fear. I do a lot of lacquer finish work, but only on smooth wood.
Could you post a link to the type of putty you used? Having trouble finding a puddy that will work
www.kantarzoglou.gr/auxiliary-materials/wood-putty-200gr-no1-mahogany-light-cosmos-lac10733.html but in white
It actually looks perfect. What kind of putty did you use?
Rudimental Chef www.kantarzoglou.gr/en/products/auxiliary-materials/consumables/putties-pu-foams/cosmoslac-200gr-water-based-wood-putty11405.html
Is that a non-hardening putty or a putty that dries and hardens?
Could you add water based ink to change white wood filler... I want purple fill an can't find it.lol.. love from Portland Oregon USA.
Hi Trevor, yes you probably could. You can always try a little test piece.
is it possible to keep the guitar as natural color and just affect the grain? so stain the grain but nothing else
Yes, stain ir paint then sand it back
Will this work on pine ?
Don't think so, but you can always try a piece
There is entirely different wood grain after you snapped your fingers. It would be helpful if you showed the entire process. Thank you.
Yes in fact it's a different bank, I didn't want to wait for the paint to dry. Basically you just spray the body with paint. I used a spray can for this video. There isn't much too it actually.
Ceruse is white cosmetic lead.....btw
Eu não entendi o que é essa pasta branca que ele passa na guitarra. Alguém sabe me dizer o que é? Obrigado!
English pls
I don't understand whats that white paste used by you.
@@guitarristahobista9514 Its a water based wood putty
@@ManicaroCustomGuitars ok tnk u! Nice job!
What neck color would be great with this body?
I kept it natural!
Could I colour the liming wax?
Say black shou sugi ban burn, brush back and apply orange wax?
'Say black shou sugi ban burn, brush back and apply orange wax?' What?
@@ManicaroCustomGuitars Japanese wood burning, sorry that's Sugi ban. It would pop the grain out and works best on open grain wood.
Instead of staining I was thinking of burning it, then filling the grain with orange liming wax (Ceruse).
@@awonderingoneil206 Oh yes, I guess it would work.
Do you do anything like varnish or lacquer on the finish??
Yes, after I sealed it with a couple of coats of oil. You can use lacquer as well.
@@ManicaroCustomGuitars thanks
Hi again Manicaro, where did you get that guitar body from?
I do my own bodies.
Fantastic... I'm looking at your site now. Your work is incredible. Kudos.
Did you put a clear coat on afterwards?
Yes to seal it up
Would you throw some 2k clear on that after?
Yes, you have to seal it somehow.
facherita
What kind of wood putty do you use for that?
It's a water based wood putty.
www.kantarzoglou.gr/en/products/auxiliary-materials/consumables/wood-putty/wood-putty-200gr-no1-mahogany-light-cosmos-lac10733.html
Is it necessary to seal with a clear coat or otherwise? Thank you
On this body, I used a filler for the effect and in this case yes is necessary to seal everything. If you use paint for the effect, you can go without sealing it but I still recommend it.
Manicaro Custom Guitars thank you for the reply! What do you recommend for a sealer?
@@fifthsonrecords1228 Some clear lacquer or even on oil finish will do .
What paint did you use is that a gloss or semi gloss?
It's a gloss spray can paint