The corporation is clearly not paying its Ferix workers a lot but they supplement their income by taking home the occasional piece of valuable salvage. The corp could clamp down on it but the losses from employee theft are probably minuscule compared to the cost of maintaining a proper staff of supervisors and security guards. It also means that any attempt to crack down on the black market would significantly affect the standard of living of their workers and cause massive unrest. They obviously learned that lesson long ago and took a hands-off approach to Ferix. They do not want to spend the resources to improve conditions on Ferix but are smart enough to avoid making the conditions worse.
Syril Karn was actually mistaken in what his duties actually were. He thought his duties included investigating crimes, and perpetrators to justice. In reality his job was to make sure that the corporation could continue to make money. Karn failed in his actual duties, while trying to be the best at the duties he made up for himself.
@@jeffreycarman2185 He reads like a corporate HR hire transferred there for "promotion experience" (And totally not just because corporate needed another min wage warm body), he read the corporate manifestos, the training manuals, the "how to become a better worker" pamphlets, he is on the company socials agreeing with the PR posts hoping the CEO sees him one day, just waiting for his hard work to be seen for that promotion he was promised many cycles ago. Everyone else from the office feels like a local hire, trained as a min wage part time worker between school or their other job and some liked it and stayed for full time because the pay is ok, but the benefits and vacation days are hard to beat. SGT tactical blueberry is a lifetime security guy, promoted one step above his best level after doing something the company actually saw, hes overwhelmed and unqualified, but not bad enough for demotion or firing. His job is anti-piracy where they shoot at you, you shoot at them, they run away or die, and you get a paid weekend off for doing a good job. He doesn't do "policing" or investigating, he shoots things.
@@jeffreycarman2185 He though that he was a police officer. He was actually a "peace officer" and his job was to keep the people of Ferix from being too pissed off a the corporation. The show does not really address it but the people of Ferix must have had their own informal police and justice system. At the beginning of the series Cassian appears to be on some sort of "probation" because he has been not paying his debts and might have stepped over the line on some of his cons. I imagine more serious criminals would get a form of community approved vigilante justice (ie a rapist found castrated in the town square) The corp security was there to make sure the interaction between the corporation and the people of Ferix went smoothly. Actual law enforcement would have been seen as an unnecessary and costly waste.
What I love about Andor is that it made the random minutia of the early and middle empire so interesting. Corporate security, court reforms, security jurisdictions, prison labor, local festival restrictions, all of it felt really important both because the characters saw it as important but also because we got glimpses of the bigger machine at play. The show's theme was really well summed up when we saw the parts Cassian and his prison comrades were forced to work on being assembled into part of the death star, it's not just about the one big tyrannical moment, it's the million tiny infringements that build to it that matter.
it really shows the why of why would anyone be a rebel. Rebels live hard lives, lonely short lives, with no expectation of reward or merit. They feel like they are only a thorn on the side of giant, event their greatest (early) heroes did things like destroy a single gozante out of a fleet of 20, or defeat a single squad of stormtroopers from an entire battalion.
@@DetectiveLance in the video game Squad on the map friendlies are color blue (Blue Force for friendlies in western military vocab) and your own squad mates are green. So people use blueberries for non squad member friendlies.
@GenerationTech ultimately given how the empire oppressed the people something like is exactly what palpatine needed. A massive army could have been created if palpatine wasn't such a tyrant
What makes Andor great is that it doesn’t treat its audience like children nor intellectuals. To find acting and dialogue to match u got to look at classics from the 60s and 70s.
Andor is how writing should be, on the other end of that spectrum if Witcher Blood Origin and Rings of Power, or if you want to be especially petty - "Dragon Age" The Veilguard
It’s not, there’s Lesbians, racially diverse people, and Mon Mothma’s husband is an insanely stereotypical Disney straight white man character. The thing you need to understand is that Andor didn’t STOP being Woke it stopped being performativly Woke and started looking at actual problems while considering diversity as the bare minimum and not something to be especially celebrated (which it is) Andor is the most woke Star Wars show yet because it represents actual woke beliefs rather than a corporate entity protecting its bottom line
Actually it is you, Allen who gives the Star Wars universe the content, the world building, the flesh that Disney would never be able to. They should pay you in gold, man. Awesome content.
@@DJ-1Q84 I don't think so. Syril is kind of like that socially awkward but well-meaning individual; he doesn't understand his place with Dedra's position.
I think Tony Gilroy's whole point was that this big, giant, spectacular rebellion, was all started by a few regular people with powerful motivations, and a few specialized talents.
@@annonymousrandomfum5880 Because most of the fans would ignore it and demand more surface-level stuff like TCW or Mando because they were raised on Filoni’s cartoons and not the films.
I really liked Andor too and i am disapointed that we will only get one more season. Like Disney trys to show us that we can get good Star Wars from them but they just wont give it to us.
the real reason was diego luna and tony gilroy were just burnt out from the intense process of making this show. The amount of planning that went into this really impressive but ultimately not sustainable i guess
The problem with Andor is that it did bad in the ratings when compared to the Mandalorian. Mainly because it was going head to head with House Of The Dragon.
I freaking LOVE Andor! It deepens the lore a lot and makes Star Wars feel like a more living universe. Because I play a lot of RPGs set in the world of Star Wars, Andor is a great source of inspiration for quests, worlds, factions, etc. I wish there would be 10 more seasons.
I think you did Dedra and the Corpos a bit dirty here. Ferrix was left in the hands of Tigo, Dedra was there only to direct the capture of Andor. Most of the measures that were enforced were ordered by Tigo. Also the violence erupted because of him, not Dedra. Dedra even removed the sniper teams when they were discussing the plan on the balcony, since she thought it was a bad idea to shoot when there is a crowd. Also the blueberries looked well trained. Had a plan to box in the suspects, instinct to recognize suspicious civilians and not just say "nah...let her run, I don't get paid enough to chase people that just run when they see me...", had tactical movement when crossing open terrain, use cover, set up on-the-fly ambush of fleeing suspects (if the speeder was not a bomb) and good aim to disable the engine. Their only problem was lack of discipline when they shot the boyfriend and also when the first team engaged Andor and Luthen before waiting for the other teams to converge and surround the building. And lets not forget, if it wasn't for plot armor, even with only one team of four security officers entering a well-prepared ambush (bomb at the door) and engaging two career criminals that know how to fight, Cassian would've been shot there for good, instead of wounded.
I had to agree if you know the history behind the corporate sector authority you'll know that they worked in tandem with the empire. The empire is what made them have the power that they have also the empire also provided them with the equipment and the means to uphold the law as well as wage war if necessary.
I think they’re more like the military and police units maintained by the East India Company in real life - but not really because the CSA is a government it isn’t a corporation itself
I've watched numerous Star Wars commentary channels, and I keep coming back to yours. I've come to the conclusion that this is the best Star Wars commentary channel on TH-cam. Thanks, for the relentless content, that is *always* informative and enlightening. May the Force be with you, always, Alan.
I also think that the Corpation tolerated local Crime, but not big Crime. They did nothing against local Corruption but as long you paid there was no problem. And in that Case it was based on the local Industry. If something like the Pykes or the Hutts tried to gain a Foothold, I am sure they would have intervened.
@@stonefox2546 If it's Couriers or Smugller of the Syndicates, i would say yes. With a good Accountant you could even book it as clean Money. Companies like clean profits and i mean in a legal point of view clean money. The minimal Ammount of possiblel Taxes paid. No Taxes you are shot down. Syndikates don't pay Taxes. They would under cut Companys in every way. So a Foothold of a Syndikat would mean a lose of Profits for the Company as a Whole. To hide this the paid People would have to Correct the Profits out of there own Pockets.
Good video Alan - a nice return to form. Intelligent analysis with a link to real world problems. The scene is Andor (0:28) reveals a lot about the coping mechanisms of the wider Imperial ecosystem. When the supervisor closed the doors for privacy and gave Cyril the inside details re: "what is expected of him"... it was a brilliant summary of the measures that mid-ranking functionaries adopt to stay under the radar. Cyril is wonderful character for his confounding mix of naïveté and cunning. Ideologically driven he genuinely sees something in the Empire that his preceding generation know doesn't exist. This is another reason why Disney need to give this franchise more respect - and invest in a proper second season ... not a multi-year anthology: the themes they are wrestling with are 100% linked to IRL present day ... a world where the ideologically driven ignore the red flags of misappropriated power and the real threats to pluralistic liberal democracy.
@@isaackim7675Hell yeah I want cat cereal too! Everyone always talks about eating dogs and horses and whales, the only time I hear about eatings cats is cunnilinguis and frankly I'm sick of it.
The beauty of good narrative is having solid minor characters to provide a counter point to frame a main character- the mundane reaction of the supervisor frames Cyril’s serious and extreme views - we understand Cyril immediately as most of the people around him are just trying to make a living - the Rebellion and Empire are both extremes that many do not want to be involved in - the supervisor like many just want to get by - this is a great perspective as traditionally in less developed narratives we only see the extremes.
You know every time I watch your videos I can’t help but think that you should be the kind of person we have in government. Your ability to explain and understand multiple viewpoints is impressive. You’re always educating even though you’re talking about a fictional story and it’s so seemless how you do it. Thank you for your great content that I’ve been able to enjoy for so many years!
Truly, Andor has been the best thing since Rogue One, and Rogue One was glorious. Andor did something that the other live action Disney shows failed to do, have me on the edge of my seat.
The Star Wars story I've always wanted is basically a Louis L'Amour story with a Jedi as the protagonist. Basically, ordinary people facing extreme, but otherwise ordinary threats, and added by an exceptional, but relatable hero.
Ferrix is pretty much a dream job to govern, it's got a strong community with a healthy culture where people trust and look out for each other, it's got productive industry, and isn't even a source of political unrest normally. Preox never goes there because they never need to go there. So of course the Empire messes it up in every possible way.
@@brettcarter5954 But I think the biggest issue is that most people don't understand Star Wars conceptually and only see it for its affectations like the Jedi, lightsabers, Rebels, Empire, etc.
I love how Pre-Mor Security are basically a less well-funded and well-motivated version of the Naboo Guard that we saw in Phantom Menace. The security troops on Fondor or Castell are probably a lot higher-grade: not everywhere's rich from trade-lane tariffs like Naboo, and it's clear that Ferrix is pretty low on the pecking order in the view of ISB.
Relatability makes a story, whichever setting it may be placed in, instantly more realistic. Even Space Wizzard'ism, medieval grand magic or some cyber post apocalypse.
At 5:06 you reminded me the 4 different power classes. Those are the beaurocrats which produce nothing, but they have great managerial skills, the merchants with the ability to create great economic prosperity, the prists which introduce moral and ethical values in a society and lastly the warriors which provide security and peace. Usually the question is what is the best class, but reality impose on us how to balance each class in order to have a decent society. As for a source to explain the relation for these classes better than what I can in the comments I suggest going to the youtube channel Pilgrims Pass at the video discussing the 4 types of dystopia.
I just realized that room temperature IQ means a whole different thing to Americans than to the rest of the word due to the difference between Celsius and Fahrenheit. I always thought it was a massive overexaggeration to say that, but in Fahrenheit it's not as low an IQ as in Celsius.
I want to thank BOTH Denise Gough and Tony Gilroy for CARING enough to learn and Give us good Star Wars after proclaiming they weren't SW Fans. I wish Leslie would have done that.
Reminds me a lot of Corpos in the Cyberpunk universe as well. Imagine if Google or Microsoft became so powerful that they could hire their own militaries and police forces to uphold any company interests. In such a dystopian world, state and federal governments would have to have failed so badly that private security firms and corporations would have to step in to maintain any sort of power and control, fragile as it may be. Andor did an amazing job of show-casing how oppressive an environment feels with corporations/empires running the galaxy.
I think that the creator not liking Star Wars is misunderstood. I believe he just wasn’t a fan the same way some people have more interest in LOTR or people like Nick Cage who enjoys really old obscure cinema.
He's a fan. Just had to say he wasnt because disney has this peculiar way of thinking that non fans f star wars are better at making star wars. Some kind of unbiased approach to production
Video idea, best food in the galaxy, best food in galaxy for humans, most expensive, cheapest, planets to avoids based on cuisine. Tastest species... 😉😎
Oddly enough, while I think Andor is *the* greatest show (not just Star Wars) to come out since The Next Generation, I can't stand Rogue One. I probably wouldn't have watched Andor if it was not for your channel and the many vids you had done on it up to that point--it piqued my interest enough to give it a shot, and I was hooked by the end of the first episode. The writing, dialog, and direction are nearly perfect. Only the spinning-laser-freighter scene could be clipped out without losing any meaningful shots.
I actually really liked introduction of tactical blueberries. Stromtroopers were always a staple of the series, but they supposed to be more elite force of the Empire, but they've been so fodderized that noone really thinks about them this way.
1:23 First responder here this is like the dichotomy of the euthastic rookies vs. the old veterans who have seen everything and are borderline burnout 😂
Economic/ social schools of thought can on average have better or worse outcomes, but they matter much less than specific individuals. A lot of risk/reward dynamics. The correct answer is always contextual, rarely as easy as taking the moderate position.
Something about their uniforms, like the specific blue and red colours, remind me of late 19th Century French Uniforms, the same that the French wore in the early years of WW1.
Another thing to consider about the Empire taking over from Pre-Mor. Not only did this trigger an open rebellion in the populace, but odds are it also converted some of those laid off Pre-Mor security forces into rebels too, along with the corporate weapons and vehicles that the Empire had no use for. Like you said, they were probably getting better benefits and pay than a Stormtrooper and we see how after losing their jobs, people like Syril end up in less satisfying, probably less lucrative positions. Sure, Syril has the demeanor of a proto-fascist, but all those cereal-eating lazy corpo operators probably won't make it in the tightly run program of the Imperial military or paramilitary sectors. Even Syril himself seems to be realizing the flavorless disciplinarian reality of the Imperial bureaucracy isn't quite what he was expecting.
The jail scenes in endor are really dark. Like something from warhammer 40k. You are just one of billions a commodity to be used and disposed off when no longer useful. Very empire , very Sith very Palp
Thinking about the juxtaposition between the Andor corpo system interface with police, and that same situation in Altered Carbon. Money is power, power looks out for itself, and the police are used accordingly.
I will agree that being an extremist is just a way for someone to miss the forest through the trees, but being a centrist just for the sake of not wanting to pick a side has the exact same problem.
@@MrChickennugget360 WTF is even a "centrist"? in Nazi germany centrism would be being a literal nazi. in the 40s Soviet union it would be being a stalinist. in 1840s America it would be someone supporting the continued existance, but not expansion of slavery. All of those were just supporting evil with their centrism. Being neutral in face of evil is legitmizing said evil.
And being a centrist because you _are_ picking sides, refusing the party lines and picking and choosing only the good ideas no matter who they come from, is the opposite.
Maybe the Emperor wanted to trigger conflict n was hoping someone or thing would rise up n challenge him. Can't keep getting stronger if you aren't facing any more challenges
Going to make a recommendation to your followers. West end games produced a reference book called the corporate sector authority. I recommend purchasing that a lot of great information explaining how the corporate sector authority evolved also how it works and what authority they truly have. The uniforms that you see in andor aka the blueberries. That is tribute to to a Star wars action figure from the Disney line. It was introduced in the Star tours figure line. Same color shonen and andor but it was an imperial officer's uniform. Get a chance check it out Star tours action figures. I love the fact that Andor took a lot of reference from The west end game reference manual on the corporate sector authority.. I also recommend reading all of the original Han Solo novels by Brian Daly I believe. A lot of corporate sector authority stuff in those novels.
I thought the modified uniform was a bit underrated. In the military you are "subtely" encouraged to have your camo uniform tailored. HOWEVER, if caught with a tailored uniform you will be chewed out and told you are in vioation of an order. Its a weird middle ground. Here however the guy added piping and pockets which would be considered completely out of line That being said tailoring is typically dependent on rank, if a low rank does it they might get chewed out. If a staff nco does it then it will probably be ignored and if an nco does it, then it depends on who wants them promoted, a bald first sergeant wants tailored uniforms, one with hair will chew you out for tailoring your uniform. The trick is to have it tailored only a little, enough to make someone question it and allow you plausible deniability.
The Irony is that i think that Hyne was competent in his Position. He know his People. He did know if force would be needed. At the Beginning he wanted to ignore the dead of two of his officiers. But they were at a Location that should not exist and would cost more that they normally should have (Corruption) and there wasn't any hint that they wanted to shout it down. I think they would'nt be able to, even if they wanted to, but i think Hyne did know that. But the Situiation did show that they were corrupt, which Hyne did'nt want to be let know. I think if it had been some Person like Kane ; who had been killed. Hyne would have reacted. Simply because he wasn't inkompetent or Corrupt.
I worked security and knew a guy who literally did what Syril did with his uniform - he got it tailored on his own dime and had custom rank insignia stitched on when they made him a "senior officer" which was basically just a bullshit title they'd bestow upon guys with long tenure at the company who didn't (or couldn't) get a real promotion to sergeant. He was the sort of stereotypical gung-ho Paul Blart type who had a chip on his shoulder for failing the police exam and just like Syril he'd go way overboard trying to aggressively enforce the most trivial rules and infractions which caused shitloads of unnecessary incidents and paperwork. Naturally everyone hated him and he eventually got "laid off" for having too many complaints lodged against him.
There's a lot to be said when comparing Preox Security, the Corporate. Sector. Authority Espos ( Security. Police ) and the more Robust Core world corporate security forces, lije the Corellian Sector CorSec.... Where Instead of tactical blueberry mall cops, Or even CSA Pinkertons, You get detectives and marshall's.. or CSI Kuat.
If Imp Blueberries were MORE cost effective why didn't the Empire have something similar for their Galactic wide Standard troops...? Was Palps worried the Rebels an Galaxy wouldn't take them seriously an bust out laughing on site?? Especially if blueberries an the concept of such jokes is ALSO a thing in Star Wars... Bout EVERYTHING else is.. Even more so then that when you play random footage of the 'Blueberries' in action or on the march to the Empire March Soundtrack
So, correct me if I'm wrong, does this mean that a combination of the corporate security force's hands-off attitude and general lack of overall lethality is what kept the Rebellion from gaining too much traction on that planet?
I love Andor too. Tried to talk others into wactuhing it as well, only successful once. Alan! Did you seem drunk or high while recording this. Are you OK? Take care of your body..
My thing is that when a single corporation OWNS THE PLANET, putting any significance on its peacekeepers being corporate employees is kinda pointless. Technically yes, they are like “mall cops” but there’s literally no other options. For all intents and purposes they’re the police now, they do police things now. They aren’t just “sit and observe” polo shirts with a taster. They’re armed, armored, trained and organized.
People should just say they like Andor and Rogue One because it was not made with children in mind. Like every other star wars product since the OG trilogies, it was made for kids. People forget that. People will dance around that whole conversation. Just make movies without the magical wizards, laser swords, comic relief, basic childish story arc but set it in the same universe and you have Andor and Rogue One.
I completely agree with Bernie Sanders when he said that corporate greed was the reason for the rampant inflation we've seen during the Biden administration. What he failed to understand is that the Federal Government is the biggest company in the United States, so when he says, "corporate greed", he means, "government greed."
Small town cops are what was needed here, at most. Under a corporation, they were closer to security guards than cops, really. But even those security guards are probably better than a military force treating civilians as potential enemies. Soldiers on duty make poor cops.
Andor isn't really a Star Wars story. It's a modern version of Blake's 7 that has been changed on a cosmetic level into a Star Wars show. The prison especially was pure B7. I'm willing to bet that the only people willing to disagree with this haven't actually seen Blake's 7.
The corporation is clearly not paying its Ferix workers a lot but they supplement their income by taking home the occasional piece of valuable salvage. The corp could clamp down on it but the losses from employee theft are probably minuscule compared to the cost of maintaining a proper staff of supervisors and security guards. It also means that any attempt to crack down on the black market would significantly affect the standard of living of their workers and cause massive unrest. They obviously learned that lesson long ago and took a hands-off approach to Ferix. They do not want to spend the resources to improve conditions on Ferix but are smart enough to avoid making the conditions worse.
Syril Karn was actually mistaken in what his duties actually were. He thought his duties included investigating crimes, and perpetrators to justice. In reality his job was to make sure that the corporation could continue to make money. Karn failed in his actual duties, while trying to be the best at the duties he made up for himself.
@@jeffreycarman2185 He reads like a corporate HR hire transferred there for "promotion experience" (And totally not just because corporate needed another min wage warm body), he read the corporate manifestos, the training manuals, the "how to become a better worker" pamphlets, he is on the company socials agreeing with the PR posts hoping the CEO sees him one day, just waiting for his hard work to be seen for that promotion he was promised many cycles ago.
Everyone else from the office feels like a local hire, trained as a min wage part time worker between school or their other job and some liked it and stayed for full time because the pay is ok, but the benefits and vacation days are hard to beat.
SGT tactical blueberry is a lifetime security guy, promoted one step above his best level after doing something the company actually saw, hes overwhelmed and unqualified, but not bad enough for demotion or firing. His job is anti-piracy where they shoot at you, you shoot at them, they run away or die, and you get a paid weekend off for doing a good job. He doesn't do "policing" or investigating, he shoots things.
@@jeffreycarman2185 He though that he was a police officer. He was actually a "peace officer" and his job was to keep the people of Ferix from being too pissed off a the corporation.
The show does not really address it but the people of Ferix must have had their own informal police and justice system. At the beginning of the series Cassian appears to be on some sort of "probation" because he has been not paying his debts and might have stepped over the line on some of his cons. I imagine more serious criminals would get a form of community approved vigilante justice (ie a rapist found castrated in the town square)
The corp security was there to make sure the interaction between the corporation and the people of Ferix went smoothly. Actual law enforcement would have been seen as an unnecessary and costly waste.
What I love about Andor is that it made the random minutia of the early and middle empire so interesting. Corporate security, court reforms, security jurisdictions, prison labor, local festival restrictions, all of it felt really important both because the characters saw it as important but also because we got glimpses of the bigger machine at play. The show's theme was really well summed up when we saw the parts Cassian and his prison comrades were forced to work on being assembled into part of the death star, it's not just about the one big tyrannical moment, it's the million tiny infringements that build to it that matter.
it really shows the why of why would anyone be a rebel. Rebels live hard lives, lonely short lives, with no expectation of reward or merit. They feel like they are only a thorn on the side of giant, event their greatest (early) heroes did things like destroy a single gozante out of a fleet of 20, or defeat a single squad of stormtroopers from an entire battalion.
I love how we call these guys blueberries as we call the Stormtroopers Imps
Did that start here or just naturally?
tactical blueberries*
@@DetectiveLance in the video game Squad on the map friendlies are color blue (Blue Force for friendlies in western military vocab) and your own squad mates are green. So people use blueberries for non squad member friendlies.
Especially Sargent Blueberry. 🦞😏👌
@GenerationTech ultimately given how the empire oppressed the people something like is exactly what palpatine needed. A massive army could have been created if palpatine wasn't such a tyrant
What makes Andor great is that it doesn’t treat its audience like children nor intellectuals. To find acting and dialogue to match u got to look at classics from the 60s and 70s.
Andor is how writing should be, on the other end of that spectrum if Witcher Blood Origin and Rings of Power, or if you want to be especially petty - "Dragon Age" The Veilguard
well said! also, it seems to ignore/avoid Disney’s preaching wokeness agenda….which is refreshing.
It’s not, there’s Lesbians, racially diverse people, and Mon Mothma’s husband is an insanely stereotypical Disney straight white man character.
The thing you need to understand is that Andor didn’t STOP being Woke it stopped being performativly Woke and started looking at actual problems while considering diversity as the bare minimum and not something to be especially celebrated (which it is)
Andor is the most woke Star Wars show yet because it represents actual woke beliefs rather than a corporate entity protecting its bottom line
@@foxtrot-gamesandwit4475 Not to mention it’s not preachy about them.
That helps too.
Andor is a masterpiece.
Actually it is you, Allen who gives the Star Wars universe the content, the world building, the flesh that Disney would never be able to. They should pay you in gold, man. Awesome content.
Petition to sell star wars to allen for $5 and a chicken nugget
Disney: "Due to the changes of governmental regime, we can only pay you 5 Imperial credits and 1 porg nugget."
Tactical Blueberries sounds like a cantina band
@@isaackim7675 or a Vegan SWAT team.
Their first album, "We Don't Serve Their Kind" had an absolute banger on it. "More Accurate than A Stormtrooper" totally slays.
@@staceymalchow4528 Followed by “These are the Droids You’re Looking For.”
My buddy always called my Ultramarine squads tactical blueberries 😄
@@staceymalchow4528 quite partial to "I fought a wookie (and the wookie won). "choking on my aspirations" is great too.
Cerril thought he was a security contractor like Black-water, when he was really just Allied Universal. Dude's dreams were bigger than his station.
I really liked Syril's character arc except the end. It feels like they're shoe-horning his relationship with Dedra.
@@DJ-1Q84 I don't think so. Syril is kind of like that socially awkward but well-meaning individual; he doesn't understand his place with Dedra's position.
Deedra is a solid 5 at best. Syrril was in love with the success and the competence, not the woman.
@@kennyberger5377 so you're saying he likes her for who she is, rather than how she looks.
@@kennyberger5377 Probably that weird combo of love and admiration where it's mostly admiration but it becomes romantic for some reason
I think Tony Gilroy's whole point was that this big, giant, spectacular rebellion, was all started by a few regular people with powerful motivations, and a few specialized talents.
my main question is why aren't most Star Wars shows like Andor
Because Kathleen Kennedy is a bad president under Lucasfilm.
Because Disney makes their money through toys
I agree totally! Showing the "real" side of what was going down is just so damn interesting to me.
because Kathleen Kennedy directly said fans like us who like this type of story, are “trash”
@@annonymousrandomfum5880 Because most of the fans would ignore it and demand more surface-level stuff like TCW or Mando because they were raised on Filoni’s cartoons and not the films.
I really liked Andor too and i am disapointed that we will only get one more season. Like Disney trys to show us that we can get good Star Wars from them but they just wont give it to us.
the real reason was diego luna and tony gilroy were just burnt out from the intense process of making this show. The amount of planning that went into this really impressive but ultimately not sustainable i guess
The problem with Andor is that it did bad in the ratings when compared to the Mandalorian. Mainly because it was going head to head with House Of The Dragon.
@@dolandarkxgrandayy6953True enough, but I think this says more about the maturity and priorities of the majority of the Star Wars fanbase.
Wait we're getting another season? I thought it was dropped entirely. I'm looking forward to it now, lol
@ Yeah. They said they would be doing 2 seasons.
It got delayed until next year.
I freaking LOVE Andor! It deepens the lore a lot and makes Star Wars feel like a more living universe. Because I play a lot of RPGs set in the world of Star Wars, Andor is a great source of inspiration for quests, worlds, factions, etc. I wish there would be 10 more seasons.
I think you did Dedra and the Corpos a bit dirty here. Ferrix was left in the hands of Tigo, Dedra was there only to direct the capture of Andor. Most of the measures that were enforced were ordered by Tigo. Also the violence erupted because of him, not Dedra. Dedra even removed the sniper teams when they were discussing the plan on the balcony, since she thought it was a bad idea to shoot when there is a crowd.
Also the blueberries looked well trained. Had a plan to box in the suspects, instinct to recognize suspicious civilians and not just say "nah...let her run, I don't get paid enough to chase people that just run when they see me...", had tactical movement when crossing open terrain, use cover, set up on-the-fly ambush of fleeing suspects (if the speeder was not a bomb) and good aim to disable the engine. Their only problem was lack of discipline when they shot the boyfriend and also when the first team engaged Andor and Luthen before waiting for the other teams to converge and surround the building. And lets not forget, if it wasn't for plot armor, even with only one team of four security officers entering a well-prepared ambush (bomb at the door) and engaging two career criminals that know how to fight, Cassian would've been shot there for good, instead of wounded.
0:23 selfish right alongside you Alan.
I disagree about the mall cop comparison. They're more like a PMC working in tandem with the government, akin to Wagner or Blackwater.
I had to agree if you know the history behind the corporate sector authority you'll know that they worked in tandem with the empire. The empire is what made them have the power that they have also the empire also provided them with the equipment and the means to uphold the law as well as wage war if necessary.
I think they’re more like the military and police units maintained by the East India Company in real life - but not really because the CSA is a government it isn’t a corporation itself
I've watched numerous Star Wars commentary channels, and I keep coming back to yours. I've come to the conclusion that this is the best Star Wars commentary channel on TH-cam. Thanks, for the relentless content, that is *always* informative and enlightening. May the Force be with you, always, Alan.
I also think that the Corpation tolerated local Crime, but not big Crime. They did nothing against local Corruption but as long you paid there was no problem. And in that Case it was based on the local Industry.
If something like the Pykes or the Hutts tried to gain a Foothold, I am sure they would have intervened.
Only if they didn't give a nice slice to right people in the corporation.
@@stonefox2546 If it's Couriers or Smugller of the Syndicates, i would say yes. With a good Accountant you could even book it as clean Money. Companies like clean profits and i mean in a legal point of view clean money. The minimal Ammount of possiblel Taxes paid. No Taxes you are shot down. Syndikates don't pay Taxes. They would under cut Companys in every way. So a Foothold of a Syndikat would mean a lose of Profits for the Company as a Whole. To hide this the paid People would have to Correct the Profits out of there own Pockets.
Good video Alan - a nice return to form. Intelligent analysis with a link to real world problems.
The scene is Andor (0:28) reveals a lot about the coping mechanisms of the wider Imperial ecosystem. When the supervisor closed the doors for privacy and gave Cyril the inside details re: "what is expected of him"... it was a brilliant summary of the measures that mid-ranking functionaries adopt to stay under the radar. Cyril is wonderful character for his confounding mix of naïveté and cunning. Ideologically driven he genuinely sees something in the Empire that his preceding generation know doesn't exist.
This is another reason why Disney need to give this franchise more respect - and invest in a proper second season ... not a multi-year anthology: the themes they are wrestling with are 100% linked to IRL present day ... a world where the ideologically driven ignore the red flags of misappropriated power and the real threats to pluralistic liberal democracy.
Get that man a bowl of Cereal to eat for 5 episodes straight.
Or a watch video of Syril eating cereal similar to Sabine’s Loth-cat watch
@@isaackim7675Hell yeah I want cat cereal too! Everyone always talks about eating dogs and horses and whales, the only time I hear about eatings cats is cunnilinguis and frankly I'm sick of it.
God I love when I see Uploaded 17 seconds ago, LESS GOO
The beauty of good narrative is having solid minor characters to provide a counter point to frame a main character- the mundane reaction of the supervisor frames Cyril’s serious and extreme views - we understand Cyril immediately as most of the people around him are just trying to make a living - the Rebellion and Empire are both extremes that many do not want to be involved in - the supervisor like many just want to get by - this is a great perspective as traditionally in less developed narratives we only see the extremes.
6:14 if they deal in absolutes they are definitely full of Sith
That's why they were neither Jedi nor Sith.
5:49 this was beautifully said. Thank you.
I thought I wouldn’t like Andor. Then, I was down with injury and didn’t haven’t anything to watch, so I tried it out. I really liked it👍
You know every time I watch your videos I can’t help but think that you should be the kind of person we have in government. Your ability to explain and understand multiple viewpoints is impressive. You’re always educating even though you’re talking about a fictional story and it’s so seemless how you do it. Thank you for your great content that I’ve been able to enjoy for so many years!
Truly, Andor has been the best thing since Rogue One, and Rogue One was glorious. Andor did something that the other live action Disney shows failed to do, have me on the edge of my seat.
Hans uniform in empiral army looks more those guys corporate uniform
The Star Wars story I've always wanted is basically a Louis L'Amour story with a Jedi as the protagonist. Basically, ordinary people facing extreme, but otherwise ordinary threats, and added by an exceptional, but relatable hero.
Reason I finally watched Andor was because of this channel and its break down of the content and lore from the show.
What happened to the sci fi window screen background? Love that vibe, sets me in…
I wish we could see the Blueberries working along side the brown shirts from legions
Blueberries = patrol police
Brown shirts = SWAT or SRT
6:08, I think you meant " Only a Sith deals in absolutes!"
wich is an absolute so your a sith.
Andor is actually a legit & good show..
Good vid
Love your content!
It’s been a while , nice setup bro bro 😎 👍
Looks like a star trek uniform
Tactical blueberry’s are so good
the tactical blueberries don't get themselves killed nearly as often as stormtroopers either .. this is a big cost savings too...
Ferrix is pretty much a dream job to govern, it's got a strong community with a healthy culture where people trust and look out for each other, it's got productive industry, and isn't even a source of political unrest normally. Preox never goes there because they never need to go there. So of course the Empire messes it up in every possible way.
Andor is the best Star Wars content.
Great topic! Thank you.
I like Star Wars for the story. I just find the story cringe worthy when the in universe logic is inconsistent
Wouldn't say ‘cringe-worthy’.
More like ‘facepalm-worthy’.
@@brettcarter5954 But I think the biggest issue is that most people don't understand Star Wars conceptually and only see it for its affectations like the Jedi, lightsabers, Rebels, Empire, etc.
I love how Pre-Mor Security are basically a less well-funded and well-motivated version of the Naboo Guard that we saw in Phantom Menace. The security troops on Fondor or Castell are probably a lot higher-grade: not everywhere's rich from trade-lane tariffs like Naboo, and it's clear that Ferrix is pretty low on the pecking order in the view of ISB.
Relatability makes a story, whichever setting it may be placed in, instantly more realistic.
Even Space Wizzard'ism, medieval grand magic or some cyber post apocalypse.
At 5:06 you reminded me the 4 different power classes. Those are the beaurocrats which produce nothing, but they have great managerial skills, the merchants with the ability to create great economic prosperity, the prists which introduce moral and ethical values in a society and lastly the warriors which provide security and peace. Usually the question is what is the best class, but reality impose on us how to balance each class in order to have a decent society. As for a source to explain the relation for these classes better than what I can in the comments I suggest going to the youtube channel Pilgrims Pass at the video discussing the 4 types of dystopia.
That’s wild. I’m watching that video for completely unrelated reasons.
I just realized that room temperature IQ means a whole different thing to Americans than to the rest of the word due to the difference between Celsius and Fahrenheit. I always thought it was a massive overexaggeration to say that, but in Fahrenheit it's not as low an IQ as in Celsius.
I'm so stoked for Andor season 2.
Is there sci-fi in universe to Star wars. When talks about turning back tome beaming him of this planet
Karn is such a good character. He successful tracks down a murder and seems to takes the law very seriously.
He is the guys who just wants to good.
I want to thank BOTH Denise Gough and Tony Gilroy for CARING enough to learn and Give us good Star Wars after proclaiming they weren't SW Fans. I wish Leslie would have done that.
Reminds me a lot of Corpos in the Cyberpunk universe as well. Imagine if Google or Microsoft became so powerful that they could hire their own militaries and police forces to uphold any company interests. In such a dystopian world, state and federal governments would have to have failed so badly that private security firms and corporations would have to step in to maintain any sort of power and control, fragile as it may be. Andor did an amazing job of show-casing how oppressive an environment feels with corporations/empires running the galaxy.
Andor is absolutely the best Small Screen Star Wars. And Clone Wars exists, so I don’t say it lightly…
I think that the creator not liking Star Wars is misunderstood. I believe he just wasn’t a fan the same way some people have more interest in LOTR or people like Nick Cage who enjoys really old obscure cinema.
It is.
He’s more of a casual fan rather than a diehard lorehead.
He's a fan. Just had to say he wasnt because disney has this peculiar way of thinking that non fans f star wars are better at making star wars. Some kind of unbiased approach to production
I thought tactical blueberries were those things the Gungans used in TPM
Video idea, best food in the galaxy, best food in galaxy for humans, most expensive, cheapest, planets to avoids based on cuisine. Tastest species... 😉😎
Thanks!
14:48 we really need more technical information on the ships and equipment in the latest canon.
Oddly enough, while I think Andor is *the* greatest show (not just Star Wars) to come out since The Next Generation, I can't stand Rogue One.
I probably wouldn't have watched Andor if it was not for your channel and the many vids you had done on it up to that point--it piqued my interest enough to give it a shot, and I was hooked by the end of the first episode. The writing, dialog, and direction are nearly perfect. Only the spinning-laser-freighter scene could be clipped out without losing any meaningful shots.
I actually really liked introduction of tactical blueberries. Stromtroopers were always a staple of the series, but they supposed to be more elite force of the Empire, but they've been so fodderized that noone really thinks about them this way.
1:23 First responder here this is like the dichotomy of the euthastic rookies vs. the old veterans who have seen everything and are borderline burnout 😂
I like to think people from starwars definitely formidable the regular person has survival insteald
Love this vid
When i was in that industry. Yes, we (those that care) tried to improve our image with uniforms.
10:38 it wasn’t perfection that Palpatine cared about. He cared about power and control. His yearning for control was “unnatural”.
Economic/ social schools of thought can on average have better or worse outcomes, but they matter much less than specific individuals. A lot of risk/reward dynamics. The correct answer is always contextual, rarely as easy as taking the moderate position.
Something about their uniforms, like the specific blue and red colours, remind me of late 19th Century French Uniforms, the same that the French wore in the early years of WW1.
This show is... SO F'N GOOD.
Absolutely, the best of of the Disney+ Star Wars, in my opinion.
Man, had only Cassian not taken a direct trip from the planet after his screw up.
Another thing to consider about the Empire taking over from Pre-Mor. Not only did this trigger an open rebellion in the populace, but odds are it also converted some of those laid off Pre-Mor security forces into rebels too, along with the corporate weapons and vehicles that the Empire had no use for. Like you said, they were probably getting better benefits and pay than a Stormtrooper and we see how after losing their jobs, people like Syril end up in less satisfying, probably less lucrative positions. Sure, Syril has the demeanor of a proto-fascist, but all those cereal-eating lazy corpo operators probably won't make it in the tightly run program of the Imperial military or paramilitary sectors. Even Syril himself seems to be realizing the flavorless disciplinarian reality of the Imperial bureaucracy isn't quite what he was expecting.
Again, Alan is able to get to the core economic elements of Star Wars - a totally novel perspective when compared to many of the content creators.
The jail scenes in endor are really dark. Like something from warhammer 40k. You are just one of billions a commodity to be used and disposed off when no longer useful. Very empire , very Sith very Palp
Thinking about the juxtaposition between the Andor corpo system interface with police, and that same situation in Altered Carbon. Money is power, power looks out for itself, and the police are used accordingly.
I'm not into star wars..never was. But Andor surprised me. Maybe it was the absence of "magic" stuff, just great story and acting.
I will agree that being an extremist is just a way for someone to miss the forest through the trees, but being a centrist just for the sake of not wanting to pick a side has the exact same problem.
sometimes people are centrists because they actually listen to both sides of the argument.
@MrChickennugget360 that's why I added the "just for the sake of not wanting to pick a side" part
@@MrChickennugget360 WTF is even a "centrist"?
in Nazi germany centrism would be being a literal nazi.
in the 40s Soviet union it would be being a stalinist.
in 1840s America it would be someone supporting the continued existance, but not expansion of slavery.
All of those were just supporting evil with their centrism.
Being neutral in face of evil is legitmizing said evil.
And being a centrist because you _are_ picking sides, refusing the party lines and picking and choosing only the good ideas no matter who they come from, is the opposite.
Maybe the Emperor wanted to trigger conflict n was hoping someone or thing would rise up n challenge him. Can't keep getting stronger if you aren't facing any more challenges
Andor grew on me to be honest. I'm glad I stuck it out.
I think they are pretty much like the private armies from the early XX century, like the Pinkertons in the US or La Forestal in Argentina
Going to make a recommendation to your followers. West end games produced a reference book called the corporate sector authority. I recommend purchasing that a lot of great information explaining how the corporate sector authority evolved also how it works and what authority they truly have. The uniforms that you see in andor aka the blueberries. That is tribute to to a Star wars action figure from the Disney line. It was introduced in the Star tours figure line. Same color shonen and andor but it was an imperial officer's uniform. Get a chance check it out Star tours action figures. I love the fact that Andor took a lot of reference from The west end game reference manual on the corporate sector authority.. I also recommend reading all of the original Han Solo novels by Brian Daly I believe. A lot of corporate sector authority stuff in those novels.
So then...
Allen...
When will we see YOUR new S.W. production?
I thought the modified uniform was a bit underrated. In the military you are "subtely" encouraged to have your camo uniform tailored. HOWEVER, if caught with a tailored uniform you will be chewed out and told you are in vioation of an order. Its a weird middle ground.
Here however the guy added piping and pockets which would be considered completely out of line
That being said tailoring is typically dependent on rank, if a low rank does it they might get chewed out. If a staff nco does it then it will probably be ignored and if an nco does it, then it depends on who wants them promoted, a bald first sergeant wants tailored uniforms, one with hair will chew you out for tailoring your uniform.
The trick is to have it tailored only a little, enough to make someone question it and allow you plausible deniability.
Watch it nothing compares to Star wars 3 Allen ❤
The Irony is that i think that Hyne was competent in his Position. He know his People. He did know if force would be needed.
At the Beginning he wanted to ignore the dead of two of his officiers. But they were at a Location that should not exist and would cost more that they normally should have (Corruption) and there wasn't any hint that they wanted to shout it down. I think they would'nt be able to, even if they wanted to, but i think Hyne did know that. But the Situiation did show that they were corrupt, which Hyne did'nt want to be let know. I think if it had been some Person like Kane ; who had been killed. Hyne would have reacted. Simply because he wasn't inkompetent or Corrupt.
I worked security and knew a guy who literally did what Syril did with his uniform - he got it tailored on his own dime and had custom rank insignia stitched on when they made him a "senior officer" which was basically just a bullshit title they'd bestow upon guys with long tenure at the company who didn't (or couldn't) get a real promotion to sergeant. He was the sort of stereotypical gung-ho Paul Blart type who had a chip on his shoulder for failing the police exam and just like Syril he'd go way overboard trying to aggressively enforce the most trivial rules and infractions which caused shitloads of unnecessary incidents and paperwork. Naturally everyone hated him and he eventually got "laid off" for having too many complaints lodged against him.
There's a lot to be said when comparing Preox Security, the Corporate. Sector. Authority Espos ( Security. Police ) and the more Robust Core world corporate security forces, lije the Corellian Sector CorSec....
Where Instead of tactical blueberry mall cops, Or even CSA Pinkertons, You get detectives and marshall's.. or CSI Kuat.
If Imp Blueberries were MORE cost effective why didn't the Empire have something similar for their Galactic wide Standard troops...?
Was Palps worried the Rebels an Galaxy wouldn't take them seriously an bust out laughing on site?? Especially if blueberries an the concept of such jokes is ALSO a thing in Star Wars... Bout EVERYTHING else is..
Even more so then that when you play random footage of the 'Blueberries' in action or on the march to the Empire March Soundtrack
So, correct me if I'm wrong, does this mean that a combination of the corporate security force's hands-off attitude and general lack of overall lethality is what kept the Rebellion from gaining too much traction on that planet?
I love Andor too. Tried to talk others into wactuhing it as well, only successful once.
Alan! Did you seem drunk or high while recording this. Are you OK? Take care of your body..
I love "Andor" because it has nothing to do with poodoo Jedi. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Kinda crazy that Paul Blart ended up joining the secret police
My thing is that when a single corporation OWNS THE PLANET, putting any significance on its peacekeepers being corporate employees is kinda pointless. Technically yes, they are like “mall cops” but there’s literally no other options. For all intents and purposes they’re the police now, they do police things now. They aren’t just “sit and observe” polo shirts with a taster. They’re armed, armored, trained and organized.
People should just say they like Andor and Rogue One because it was not made with children in mind. Like every other star wars product since the OG trilogies, it was made for kids. People forget that. People will dance around that whole conversation. Just make movies without the magical wizards, laser swords, comic relief, basic childish story arc but set it in the same universe and you have Andor and Rogue One.
Obviously because of Sergeant Tactical Blueberry himself!
I completely agree with Bernie Sanders when he said that corporate greed was the reason for the rampant inflation we've seen during the Biden administration. What he failed to understand is that the Federal Government is the biggest company in the United States, so when he says, "corporate greed", he means, "government greed."
"their greed really does limit the scope of their stupidity" :D
Small town cops are what was needed here, at most. Under a corporation, they were closer to security guards than cops, really. But even those security guards are probably better than a military force treating civilians as potential enemies. Soldiers on duty make poor cops.
This made me wonder if this is tangential to RL police vs. military forces...and then I laughed, and I laughed, and I laughed.
Tactical Blueberries is officially what I will call police officers from now on.
Andor isn't really a Star Wars story. It's a modern version of Blake's 7 that has been changed on a cosmetic level into a Star Wars show. The prison especially was pure B7.
I'm willing to bet that the only people willing to disagree with this haven't actually seen Blake's 7.
Another S1 is one of the few
Harry McEntire is an actor among the Blue Line, too bad he got a minor role. Because he is a GOATed actor, see Xenoblade 3.