Vinyl Record Storage MISTAKES
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 มี.ค. 2024
- Vinyl record storage isn't rocket science, but there are things to avoid - like storing them too tight.
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Great video! I’m happy that most of the “vintage” records I now own that were probably stored horrible still play flawlessly.
I got lucky too as I know in my younger days I wasn't as concerned with storage
Thanks Rick this just reminded and motivated me to get more carefully serious on my vinyl storage. I do store them vertically but some are at a slight slant. Cheers vinyl brother !
And cheers to you, Bobby!
Thanks for the advice, I’ve been collecting for 2 years now and any tips are greatly appreciated.
Thanks for watching! I try to create a mix that works for new vinyl collectors and old (with varying opinions 😂😂)
LOL! Love the bloopers!!! I use the U shaped inner sleeves, also! Love how they slide easily into the original sleeves if they are special( not plain white ones)
If only I could post all my bloopers, Glenn. I don’t think TH-cam would appreciate the colorful language 😂😂
Lol!!!@@TheJoyofVinylRecords
About a year ago I became a real fan of storing the record outside the main jacket inside the clear plastic sleeve and covering the jacket with the opening on the top. I no longer have to worry about that outer clear sleeve wanting to slide off when I put the records back in the rack. Works like a charm.
You're not alone apparently. Many others do that as well. 🍺
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords I have to admit that I thought it was dumb - until I gave it a try. I quickly became a believer. The idea of pulling a record off the shelf and everything staying in place is awesome. And everything is still well protected.
I guess you can teach an old dog new tricks.😁
If storing the vinyl outside the jacket. What about inserting the opening of the inner-sleeve 90 degrees left or right from the opening on top of the outer sleeve? Dust will have it really hard to find a path to the record, and the vinyl will not slip out of the inner-sleeve and out of the outer-sleeve.
@@davesdream Agree. The outer sleeve opens from the top and the inner sleeve opens from the side. That's the way I do it.
I still have to remove the inner sleeve from the outer sleeve, and have to remove the record from the inner sleeve. But the annoying part, of the outer sleeve wanting to come off the record as I try to slide the package back on the shelf after playing it is eliminated.
And I rarely need to open my gatefold records while playing them.
Honestly, the internet has changed one of my listening habbits: Back in the day, I would read liner notes sometimes while listening. Now, I just use the web brouser in my 77" TV between the speakers and get "the world's liner notes" on the album while listening. Often just finding it on Wikipedia is all I need. It can often really enhance the listening experience.
@@ReasonablySaneYes, one of the joys back them while listening a record was going through all the lyrics and credits, and pictures, and so one. Now I open the browser and go to one of my fav lyrics website and sing along...
What helped me to realize the importance of vertical storage is learning WHERE the music is stored: on the SIDES of the grooves. (V-shaped channels) Crushing that "V" affects the sound being played into the needle, which picks up sound/music on its sides.
Bullshit😂
@@OriginalMixedUpKid Fact-check me wrong, kiddo.
OOPS
I’ve used Invest in Vinyl products before, and I know they’re good. My go to inner record sleeves are the Ultimate Diskeeper sleeves from Sleeve City. They’re made of rice paper, and IMHO, they’re the best sleeves out there. I use them for my collections and my best records.
I know that professional record cleaning companies use those sleeves exclusively. I think that’s a statement in itself!!!
No, they’re not the cheapest. But the best never is!!!
Keep up the good work!!! I highly enjoy watching your videos-and I know others do too!!!
Thank you! Rice paper sleeves are supposed to be excellent 🍺
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords They are!!!
I think I mentioned in one of your other videos that when I moved to Kentucky from Seattle I stored about 3500 records in a non-climate controlled shed for over a decade was actually concerned that they would all be ruined. They endured very high temperature is and also very low temperature is not to mention a lot of humidity.
But they were packed tightly in moving boxes and stored vertically obviously. Other than a few dots of easy to remove mold on a few discs, everything is excellent. It really shocked me and told me just how durable vinyl records are.
Oh, and they were not warped at all.
You did mention it - and it does speak to durability!
Such wise words Rick. I use Big Fudge record sleeves (3mm) and the archival inner sleeves with a soft, nearly see through front side. I think these are a US product but are available through Amazon and other vinyl product outlets. The new double album covers have wide spines and are easily damaged if stored flat. I bought the newly reissued Eagles “Long Road out of Eden” and that’s a cover that would be so easily ruined by wrong storage. It was my first listen to the album, what a wonderful album. Best, Pat
Hey Pat! I should check those out - they've come up a couple times today. I have a few albums I struggle with to get back in their sleeves. 😂
You’ve inspired me to rearrange my shelving when it comes to my records!
I've been guilty of overpacking - I still do when I get lazy 😂
Congratulations, that is a sweet collection. There are some beautiful vinyl records there man. Great taste in music.
Excellent; valuable, and thorough advice, and instructions on storage, and care of records. I learned a couple of things I was not too certain about, too. I was suspicious of vinyl stored at an angle, even though any such individual record is upright, and is still in a vertical position. As there are Book Ends, I'm going to make record ends, then. Thank you.🔉🎵🎶
Cheers, George! 🍺
Very nice video as always 😁 I`m still at work but I`ll soon be home . And then my wife and me will enjoy a few beers (wine for her) as well as listen to some horizontally stored vinyl 👍 All the best from Kristiansand 😁😁😁
Cheers, Ole! Enjoy the weekend!
I am currently making room (again). Decided to move the "Various Artists" section to some cubes I have elsewhere. It's a holding pattern move. Thanks for the vid Rick.
Welcome! I feel as if I am constantly moving things around d as well 😂
Great advice! Since 1973, when I got my first stereo system, I have always removed the shrink wrap and stored albums vertically inside the house. To the best of my knowledge, all 1200+ are warp free and playable. Most of them have only been played 1 to 3 times since it was my habit to dub them to cassettes so I could play them in my car.
Different medium, I know, but since I used only top quality Maxell and TDK cassettes, nearly all of those are still playable, too -- because I stored all of THEM vertically as well.
I can still picture what both Maxell and TDK tapes looked like. Weren't TDK the more expensive of the two?
They were pretty similarly priced. I preferred Maxell a little but usually bought them by the box of 10 or 12 when one brand or the other was on sale at Pacific Stereo or a record store -- when I was buying albums to record!
Thanks, this is why I always make sure to have a bad or damaged record on the bottom of my stack.
Hi Rick, best wishes for the Easter holidays. I do hope that you and your family have a relaxing break. We have the most awful weather for our weekend. Best Pat
You as well, Pat. Hopefully the weather predictions are wrong. We had our bad weather last weekend. Ice storm knocked out power here in NH for 24 hours. Fingers crossed for better weather this weekend, Stay safe!
I store my records outside the sleeve in dual-pocket sleeves from Vinyl Storage Solutions. They are a bit pricey, but you definitely get what you pay for.
Hi Luis - I hadn't run across the dual pocket sleeves. Great solution.
I also use VSS sleeves, both the dual pocket sleeve for single records, and their gatefold sleeves. I also use the plastic and rice paper inners (mostly MoFi, but also VSS). They really do make a difference in keeping particulates off. I still brush my records before playing, but they're much cleaner than when they were in their original paper sleeves.
I also use the VSS rice paper inner sleeves and I find them as good as the Mofi sleeves, at about half the cost.
I use nothing else but VSS covers…yes, a bit pricy but it does the job magnificently….👍
I used to use VSS dual pocket sleeves, but I stopped buying them because a) they're super expensive, and b) the adhesive is too low and the flap edges get folded over time
Great tips for the newbie! I use inner and outer sleeves by a company called Vinyl storage solutions out of Canada! They’re great and have different sizes for those larger multi disc albums as well! I use the dual pocket sleeves for the outer sleeves because it fully encapsulates your album artwork, and the back pocket allows access to the record itself! A couple of years ago I undertook the task of ultrasonic cleaning my entire collection, which is over 1500 albums! Right then and there I knew I was going to package all of my collection properly and started buying all of those sleeves overtime as I cleaned all of them! I guess you would say I’m quite OCD! Lol
I can't recall if I asked you - but where did you get your ultrasonic?
Hey Matt. Hope you are doing ok
@@3dimensionsofmusic3D hey Greg! I’m ok but been really busy with the grove! Plus got injured in an accident I had a while ago! I’m really behind on videos and when I get a while I’ll be putting up a few! Thanks for asking!
Hi, Rick. I like the bloopers you're lately adding at the end of your videos. I should do the same in mine, but I'm afraid there would be more bloopers that actual information... 🤣🤣🤣
I have another topic for discussion: Store the vinyl in its outer-sleeve outside the jacket or inside the jacket? Pros/Cons and a really scientific and educated reason.
I debated about the bloopers and then thought - the hell with it - why not? 😂😂
Seems like a great topic - there have been folks weighing in today who store them outside the jacket.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords Why not? Because it is annoying and useless. Would you like the final track of a record album to be a series of short random outakes from the recording process? I also don't like the distracting and useless clips from films that interrupt your talk. These clips also diminish the quality of your video. Everything else in your video is very good.
I really like those Videos especially perfect for Beginners!
Thank you. I appreciate that!
I store my records much as you describe except I store the record, in it's inner sleeve, behind the record sleeve in the outer sleeve (so many sleeves...). This saves wear on the record sleeve and makes getting records out to play much easier.
I've heard of this method (and seen it) quite a lot. Very cool.
LOL Does zero for saving wear on the jacket. I swear, that's the most ridiculous myth when it comes to record collecting,
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords From your many replies to people commenting it, you obviously don't store the records outside of the cover. Smart man. I have plenty of 40 to 50 year old records without ring wear, and I don't even know their past history of abuse, other than them being stored inside their covers. Fine, makes them easier to remove from the shelf (which I think is even silly), but that's it.
@@MickSupperActually it stops ring wear.
@@fredjohnson9856 I have plenty of 40 year old records that have no ring wear, so what ring wear would it stop? Doesn't prove that records inside of the outer sleeve causes ring wear in and of itself. Abuse causes ring wear.
Hey just wanted to say thanks for saying the most important thing first, not dragging things out like most TH-camrs these days. You got me to subscribe
Thank you! Also appreciate you subscribing and sticking around. Cheers! 🍻
Yea, like most you tubers;-)....I'm still getting click baited on the guy who keeps wanting to tell me the 5 foods to not eat that are bad for arthritis...I think I'll go close to 10 minutes in his video and STILL he's not telling me on what not to eat...really those commercials are the worst.
Thanks for this video; great tips here. I use rice-paper (Mofi-style) inner sleeves (Invest In Vinyl ones are great!), Bags Unlimited "Sound Sleeves" for anything the record comes with (such as a lyric sheet), and outer bags like you mention in the video. My question is, have you or anyone here ever used Mylar sleeves for your most valuable LPs? I never see these talked about anywhere. The pros: nearly strong as steel, the most archivally safe, and crystal clear. The cons: more expensive than other methods, also they do NOT slide well with themselves or--especially--traditional outer bags, on the shelf.
I use mylar for some other collectibles I have, so I bought some thin mylars and thick mylars for my records. They are crystal clear, last forever, and do not get that "fog" the propylene sleeves get as the years go by. However, the thin mylar tears easily when sliding the record in and out of the shelves.
I haven’t had any experience with those. You have my interest piqued however!
Great video that covers the most important points. The better cube style shelves will have about 14 x 14 inch cubes, which holds about 75 to 80 records. For a more loose pack, the records will tolerate about a 5 degree tilt, or less, which in my experience isn't enough side pressure to warp the records and covers. A longer shelf that holds a lot more records may be harmful, even at a 5 degree tilt.
Excellent point - thanks!
I've known about storing albums vertically since around 1969. Same with my 45s. I have to buy more inner sleeves, and certainly outer protective sleeves. Otherwise, I'm good. Nice video.
Great tips!👍👍
I've been using the rounded inner for quite some time and they are easier to slide a LP back in the jacket. I replaced every paper inner sleeve, but only kept the ones with credits and pics and kept them inside the jacket I built my own record cabinet and secured it to the wall after my wife said I should since we're prone to earthquakes.
Much easier to slide in and out. Are you on the west coast (re: earthquakes)?
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords Tacoma, WA
I would add that it helps to consider the placement of your shelf with regard to sunlight in the room. If your shelf faces directly towards a large, south-facing window, you run the risk of the record spines becoming faded by sunlight. Protective sleeves may help with this, depending on their properties, but I like to choose a wall that doesn't face the direct sunlight.
Great advice, Eric!
Some great storage advice here is told in a sensible way. Thanks. I go a little further. I want to add things. Rotate your vinyl. Don't keep the same record at the end against the shelf for eons. Dust the top of the vinyl occasionally with a mildly moistened cloth. Also if you have any vinyl with mildew issues, you have to attack it hard or it will spread sitting overtime. Get some of those small silicone packs you see in packaging. They help stop moisture. Put inside the vinyl package, where it's most helps.
I never thought of those silicone packs - great idea!
I second that......they ARE pricey, but they are worth every penny. I sure am glad they finally came out with the gate fold sleeves......I used to have to take two of their taped sleeves and use the strips to glue them together to make one sleeve. I have a HUGE ratio of gate fold to single sleeve record covers, thus it takes me forever to use up my supply of single sleeve sleeves.
I have some records I struggle with to put back in their protective sleeve. Probably why I rarely play Fleetwood Mac's _Tusk_ 😂😂😂
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords Do you have Led Zepp's Physical Graffiti? That "cover" is a nightmare.....you have to pull everything inside up thru the top, which makes it difficult to keep any of the extra stuff where you can easily access them. The album cover itself is kind of cool in that you have windows cut into the apartment building and you have all those faces poking out thru them, but once you fill the record sleeve with the two albums, you don't have much breathing room for the rest of it, at least that you can easily get to.
Lol - yep! That one too! @@FrightfulMess
Hey Rick! Another well-made video brother! I store my records in the MF 4mil archival outer sleeve with a master inner sleeve on the back of the LP for quick purchase. i very rarely remove the actual cover, and original sleeve to preserve the integrity of the spine. One thing often disputing is whether or not we remove the original shrink and stickers from the LP. Thoughts on this?
Hi John! As with everything else I've changed my opinion a couple times over the years. I still toss away the shrink - except in a couple rare cases where I was nostalgic for the stickers and where it was purchased. As for the stickers - I used to toss them until recently. If they have great info on them (like "mastered by....etc) I'll cut them off and store them in the jacket. I wished I'd always done that now that I look back.
I usually only keep a UPC sticker, and I try my damnedest to peel it off if possible and re-affix it, if not in the location it was on the outer cover, definitely inside the opening slot where the record itself is stored. I have a cataloging program that I use a barcode reader to find the release and enter it in my collection, and this way I still have the UPC should the file get corrupted or lost.
Great video 😆
Yup,think of them as thin and easily damaged and deformed…act accordingly 👍
Cheers, my friend! 🍺
I like the style and sound of that Heil microphone...Cheers from Australia.
I actually have had to use an adapter for it which isn’t ideal. My main mixer had issues which I’ve managed to fix so sound should be better going forward with xlr
I store my good vinyl upright and in those vintage record cases. My 45s also.
I recently discovered that two of my records which played just fine before had developed a warp on the first track. Both of the records were stored near the center of my rack. I can only surmise that my records were stored too tightly. The thing is, I didn’t think they were. They weren’t difficult to pull out but I can’t think of any other reason for this. So thanks for the great video. As a bonus, the ending scene from the original The Fly, with Vincent Price. My parents took me to see it when I was 9 in 1959 (yes, I’m old) and I still don’t think I’ve recovered from it.
It's still a very creepy scene to watch even after all this time. The first horror movie I ever saw was "THEM" when I was 5 (on a long ago Saturday afternoon show called Creature Double Feature)
Why the jump scare my boy 😂
Every single record store and record fair Ive been to have upstanding bins that you can flick through, and generally they are all stored at a slant. Ive always worried for those ones at the back 😮
Same!
I bought a brand new album with 2 180gm records, both warped from being shrink wrapped with a small stack of fan photos of the band tucked into the packaging. Didn’t take years, only a little steady pressure. I’m a believer.
Ugh - sorry to hear that!
Years ago I realised the cardboard inners for PF's The Wall remastered was stopping getting the records out easily. being heavyweight did not help. It came with a poster and that pushing agianst the vinyl. It was the first album I took the records out of the cardboard and left them behind the jacket.
I've had records stacked both horizontally and vertically for years and years and years and I've never, ever, ever, ever had a problem. I must be super lucky or maybe it's not really an issue. I'm gonna go with, it's not really an issue!
One more tip. Remove the Rolling Stones "Sticky Fingers" with the zipper from your storage unit. That S.O.B will ruin the cover next to it. I sold mine.
Including all the inserts, posters, pics, booklets, and even those pink panties from Alice Cooper album.
Yikes! Makes sense too.
Not if its in a poly sleeve it wont. Done absolutely nothing to the cover next to mine and i've got the records packed far to tight .
You don't need to remove it from your collection. I have two copies and simply add something between them to protect the neighbouring covers from the zippers. It's not rocket science but just common sense.
It goes to show that you should never keep your records that tight 😂
Thank you, this was very helpful. Do you recommend an outer sleeve for thicker/gatefold LPs? I just got a copy of blonde by Frank Ocean, and my sleeves won't fit in them. Of all vinyls this one's the only one unprotected and it's giving me anxiety!! 🤣
Hi Dani - that drive me crazy too! I haven't yet found one that reliably fits gatefold or thicker albums. If I find any that I recommend I'll post it on the community board!
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords Thank you!
Great tips for the beginners. But I would add. When they are stored in the plastic inner and outer sleeves, store the record outside of the jacket. This helps prevent ringwear on your covers. :)
Cheers, Kevin!
Hi Rick , may sound a little dinlo but how do you categorise your record collection, maybe a video on how you sort yours eg pink or Floyd thanks
Steve
That is something to consider, Eddy!
Don't leave your album in a car even at nice day. The car will get hot for a record. I know these because I loaned a record to a friend one day. I took it his apartment, he return it to me after work. The record set in the car all day it was late spring in Texas, 85-90 degrees that day. That temp in side closed car you're looking at 98-105 degrees. Well, when I check out the record it was warped. Never said anything to the guy, but I also never loaned him a record again. That brings to another of my rules, don't loan you records.
Sorry, for being bit of a bummer. I would to say, I like your TH-cam channel.
Thank you!!!
Thank you for being here, and sorry about your record! I would be nervous about loaning mine out too. Cheers!
Totally agree. Records are private. Just like your private parts.
I would like to note than most records nowadays are 180 grams in weight; vintage records from the 70s and 80s are normally 120-140 grams, and very special releases come in at 200, 220 or a crazy whopping 240 grams. Having said that, the average is 180 grams. Thank you for this awesome content and helping people keep their awesome record collections safe, keep up the great work 😊
Thanks Joe! I haven't yet come across a 240g record - unreal
Re sleeves, I prefer the crystal-clear dual pocket sleeves from Vinyl Storage Solutions out of Canada. They are not cheap, but SOOO much nicer than the typical milky sleeves. And the dual pocket is genius.
Second-time I've heard them mentioned. Thanks, Daniel!
I concur. Plain and simple.
Cheers, William!
Any advice on album jacket covers for MoFi One Steps? Those boxes are around 1 1/4 inches thick. And even some gatefold albums won't fit in standard album covers. Advice??
Hey Russell! I personally don't bother with the box sets. I do use the protective innersleeves, but to me the box is enough.
Great advice..but I was wondering how do you store the records vs jacket vs sleeves etc ? I've seen people store the actual record OUTSIDE of the jacket and was wondering what's best practice in storing records vertically for both the actual record and the jackets and inserts... Outer jacket , with or without flaps? Thanks.
Hi! I don't use the outer sleeves with flaps, but that's only personal preference - but definitely nothing wrong those. You'll find a mix of people who store them within the jacket and others who store it outside for convenience and practical reasons. I don't but really only because I've always stored them within. No wrong way as long as they are protected. Cheers!
Great video Rick! All of your points are sound, even though I blatantly disregard one of them. I'm just not a fan of outer sleeves. I guess in my case I've never seen the necessity. My album jackets from the 80's still look pristine, even though they've gone naked all those years. What's odd, I guess, is that I wouldn't dream of putting a comic book in the box without a bag. In fact, a good portion of my collection is in mylar. I guess that's because I see comics as much more fragile and prone to tearing and bending that album covers. But I applaud everyone who takes the time and expense to go that extra mile for their precious record collection. Oh, one last thing. I've noticed some records I've bought have had outer sleeves that are yellow. I know from my comic collecting years that is acid leaking out. That can't be good for a record jacket... Thoughts on that?
Hi Shane! Those yellowed sleeves could be due to the sleeve being made out of PVC (not recommended). Not sure what exactly it is about those, but it has something to do with the chemicals used in making them. They may have also been exposed to heat or sunlight which breaks the plasticizers down quicker. Polyethelene may suffer the same fate over time but I haven't heard that it does.
@TheJoyofVinylRecords I wonder if there are archival sleeves? I haven't looked into it, but I'd imagine there are. If so, no doubt they cost a pretty penny.
I believe there are Shane. I haven't looked either, but I'll see what I can find out. Curious now... @@shaneluttrell532
good info
After I used up all of my Discwasher V.R.P. inner sleeves I still had from the '90s I went to the Hudson HiFi sleeves which work just as well. For the outer sleeves I went with the MoFi Archival, although they are not crystal clear and can be too tight for some covers. I don't understand why they don't allow a bit more room in these things. I did run across a pack of outer sleeves by Bags Unlimited that I bought in the '90s and forgot about and they look the same but have a little looser fit. For my gatefolds I got the Big Fudge 12" which are clear material but once again need more room and in some cases can be a real pain to put on. It seems like the covers on the higher end classical and jazz albums are just larger enough to make installation trickier. And I did run across one album that is a trifold that I put two single sleeves on. So on top of the exorbitant prices we pay for vinyl we have to spend even more just to protect them. I can understand why people who have all of their music in digital format stored on hard drives think we are nuts.
We do have an expensive hobby, Chris. At least it's rewarding. Made me laugh about being a pain to put on with some of the bigger gatefolds. Iron Maiden's recent releases over the last couple decades have been three-disc sets to preserve the sound quality - but man it's a chore to get the protective cover over them. 😂
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords
Yes, there is something in the whole vinyl ritual that makes it so much more rewarding than CDs or streaming.
I'm seeing in the comments and on many TH-camr's channels the practice of putting the bare record on the outside of the sleeve, and I just don't understand the logic. The whole point of the cardboard sleeve is to protect the record, and having only that thin layer of poly could be potentially disastrous in my mind. It wouldn't take much to screw one up by dropping a cleaning brush or something else onto the surface. I think this fad is a bit silly.
Maybe a topic for a future video@@chrislj2890
Do you have a review of your turntable isolation platform!
Hi Boyd - Yes! You can see it here: th-cam.com/video/qTMG_2zko6w/w-d-xo.html
Depending on where you live if there is moisture in the air. Old record sleeves can mold.
Do you store the record and inner sleeve outside of the back of the jacket ? I've noticed that has become increasingly popular lately
I don't but I'm hearing that many do.
I love the Salem witch trials reference 😅😅😅 not many people will recognize it, but I do 😂
I love that you got that! I really wondered if I was being to obscure with it 😂
I resisted outer sleeves for years, mainly because I didn't see the point (and I hate that they make the spine harder to read). I was careful to store my records properly so I could easily slide them in and out -- and I didn't do that all that often, anyway. The records I'm playing frequently I keep in a bin near the turntable. When that gets full, I pull out some to file away on "permanent storage" shelving. BUT now I think outer sleeves are worthwhile for other reasons (though it's probably going to take me years to put all the records into them), not only because they protect jackets from wear but because they add just a little extra "cushioning" to protect the LPs inside those cardboard sleeves from pressure and handling damage. That's why I'm skeptical about storing records outside the cardboard sleeves -- too easy to scratch or dent when you move them. A disc in an anti-static vinyl & rice paper inner sleeve, then the cardboard jacket, and then an outer sleeve (NOT the retail shrinky shrink!) has a fair amount of protection from accidental damage -- as long as you keep it and its neighbors relatively vertical. (If they're at an angle -- more than you'd see in the average record store bin -- that puts most of the weight at the top of the leaning side, which, as you say, can't be good.)
I too have a hard time considering moving them outside of the jacket during storage. Not saying it’s bad or that others shouldn’t. It’s just contrary to how I’ve done it for years.
I agree. I only store my LPs vertically.
Cheers 🍻
What about the row of records behind you?
They are not stored straight up but they're leaning to the left and there are quite a lot of them.
I heard somewhere that you need a divider between every 5 records or so. That way even if they lean to one side, the weight is not much of an issue and you have time to store them better.
Hi! I've heard similar things. I had the cabinet I use built for these and left the dimensions the way they are because I've never experienced an issue as long as they are straight. If in the video you see leaning it's because I pulled a bunch out to do the images of the ones stacked on top of each other. Good eye!!
And what does stacking records horizontally and cramming them in to tight? RING WEAR. I think it's ridiculous that people store records outside of the covers, like that in and of itself causes ring wear. Finding a 40-year-old record with ring wear on the cover is zero proof that storing them inside the cover causes ring wear. LOL That trend all started with TH-camrs telling people to store them outside their covers because inside them causes ring wear, and now everyone cluelessly seems to be doing it. (Oh, and that they are easier to remove from the shelves. lol)
Off topic, but I noticed Saga by Image Comics. Great read.
Amazing series 🍺
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords it really is. Been thinking about going through it again.
i have a friend that he had lot´s of money and had all good music released in the 80´s but in his livingroom on top of one speaker ,all Lp´s maybe 50 and in the other speaker all covers ,and the system was a expensive one but i noticed that the tweeters are blown, and he as not a old equalizer that could destroy the speakers but than he tells me, "the last new years eve party ,they asked me if i could take my speakers and i did" ,all explained as i know his friends
Yikes! 😳
I keep all my records in vinyl cases, safe from dust, humidity issues and UV light. It might be more impractical to handle, it might take up valuable floor space - but I like the idea that they get the best treatment, and I love the smell when I open them.
Also, I am forced not to go crazy and purchase just any shit, cos at the end of the day I do enjoy being able to move around in my apartment without tripping over those bloody cases every few steps.
They east space like there is no tomorrow! Cheers!
@0:35 my heart ached when i saw dark side in the middle like that
I bet! 🍺
Vinyl storage sleeves Canada for the last 4 years. Nothing else compares. Ikea modified shelves with additional support backing 1/4 in oak plywood backing .Wood glue in every peg hole and small 1/2 inch screws .and glue on backing. 8 pockets per shelves 5 units and pipe insulation in each pocket Lowes that's how I roll.
Perfect, Dan!
A 200 gram record weighs around.....200 grams!
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spot on!
i remenber ordering from gema records all Lp´s or maxi´s or E.p.´s i could want cheaper than in my country, Portugal, in mid 80´s forward, the vinyl had better sound ,not that portuguese records had not good sound but in cheap systems the see through vinyl from England was better sounding and the vinyl produced in Portugal was thick ,when they started to talk about 180 grams, the portuguese had 140 grams, people say now that records are expensive but there were always ways of getting what you want cheap, like my youngest uncle was security for A&M records and he tells me ,"this night before 11.00p.m. go to my work "and there was a entire pile of records with covers never played to be incinerated, i was for one hour trying to find Lp´s, i brought all the police lp´s ,having them already , and lot´s of other fine bands like supertramp or even bryan adams that had released the cut´s like a knife record 6 monthes ago , i had several colections of bands i didn´t like but having all their records i heard them know and then ,even today i have some who are closed still and in the year of 95 ,there was a open fair in Lisbon, Portugal where all labels including alternative ones(when alternative music was really alternative) i paid what today is 15 cents. for any record released untill then and i went for the biggest car i had, because a friend who had a ford transit was anywhere i could not find him, so i went with a merc.350SE from 1971 and filled it only leaving room for me the driver three times, the fourth time i had to bring back my friends and only could bring the trunk which is big filled with more album´s, today this fair still happens but i saw records there being sold for 500€, today between my father, cousins, grandmother, grandfather and bought by me, records are more than 15.000 Lp´s and i have 28 turntables and only bought three all my life ,a sony ESprit series from 81/82 a thorens TD2001 maybe in 1996 and last december a P10 by rega and kept the ofered cartridge ,the alpheta 3 but because i can buy some brands very cheap i put instead a hana Umami red that i thought it wasn´t that good but after i read the specifications ,the hana was cheaper to me, in reality they cost more than any of three options they offer with the P10 +power suply made for it and for the first time i heard a turntable of this new wave that i liked the sound, not meaning others i have aren´t better but i wanted a modern one for my new assembled modern system, what i notice was that when buying a new amplification system, being a pre, a integrated or receiver some had a output but others none to conect a recorder of any type, but the cd player as a separated output that i can conect a cassette deck or minidisc deck to it, this to a technics receiver that as many options as in modern features and great sound also loud, it´s their top end model ,released maybe 2 years ago at the most i think , i´m good for life
Every inner sleeve I got has always been able to fit inside the original inner sleeve of the album. So that's what I do. Unless the original inner sleeve of the album is just a generic white paper one, in which case I throw it away...
I do the exact same thing Gianluca! 🍺
One of my records has wavy lines imprinted over one side. It matches the lines in the poly cover. I think it has been stored too tight. It is a 1991 promo so it is just paper jacket with poly on the inside.. I have it in a outer sleeve with cardboard on one side. The wavy lines is from the side without cardboard.
Oh no! Sorry to hear that. Sounds like that might be what happened.
I've always stored my LPs vertically but the problem comes when you have a lot of LPs catalogued in alphabetical order on the shelves. If you don't leave gaps here and there then every time you introduce new ones the whole collection from the point then go in to the end has to be shifted along, with a few thousand LPs on Ikea Kallax units that's a real pain. Plus in 55+ years of collecting records I've not had any damaged by having them stored this way even though some may be leaning slightly. LPs are pretty tough or they wouldn't survive the whole production, distribution and retail store storage rigours that they go through.
So true! I end up having to move some to the next shelf in my main cabinet because of the way I catalog them (alphabetically). It's why I've been guilty of cramming them at times as I get lazy 🤣
0:59 You probably meant "tactilely" (pronounced /tac-til-ly/), not "tactically" (pronounced /tac-tic-ly/). The former is associated with the sense of touch. The latter has to do with strategies (tactics). By the way, great video! It's always good to learn about how to keep our records safe.
Too funny that you caught that - it is exactly what I meant and flubbed the words. Someone else caught me as well. I should give out prizes 😂😂😂
Want to hear something that hurts? Back in 1995, I was a teenager and left for the summer/fall. My mom would use this vacant bedroom opportunity to use my room as her ironing room. I had a very respectable vinyl collection including original presses from Floyd, Beatles, Zeppelin, etc. My crates of records were apparently in the way so they got moved..........right next to the heater along the wall........I came home to every record in my collection being melted/warped on one side. Devastated and I have yet to go back nearly 30 years later....to a vinyl collection that is, I didn't run away from home.
That IS heartbreaking. Sorry @Acidmonk603
Jesus Christ!
I’ve got a 220 gm Screaming Lord Sutch record. It could hardly be called audiophile, but it could be called a dinner plate.
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No question, records need to be stored vertically like books on a book shelf and use a divider or weight to keep them from leaning unless the shelf is full enough. I have always stored records this way going back to when I was a teenager. In my teens I didn't have a stereo cabinet for components or storage, so I got hold of an old wooden teachers desk. I placed the desk close to the wall with the opening for the chair facing the room. I built a shelf in the bottom of the opening to store my records. The desk had two drawers on each side that I used to store cassettes and record cleaning accessories. The top of the desk was large enough for my receiver, turntable, and cassette deck. My setup in my room at the time was a little crude, because I went for function over aesthetics, but if you could find a nice desk like that today and do some finish work on it so it looks good, you might have a better solution than buying a media cabinet. And this old desk was solid wood! Very heavy, and would have looked great if I had bothered to sand it and re-stain it.
That’s awesome Neil!
Store the record in the inner sleeve. Put the inner sleeve in the outer sleeve, with the opening facing upwards, then put the whole thing in a plastic outer sleeve, the opening to the spine of the cover. No dust will ever penetrate. In over 40 years of buying and playing my records, I've never cleaned them, and they sound just fine. I've seen people store records with all the openings the same way, so that any amount of dust can get in. I also store my records in a Kallax unit with doors on. You need to be careful of the hinges, but this means that my sleeves are protected from sunlight fading the spines. Red inks are very susceptible to fading as red pigment is the least robust against UV light.
One thing to add about storing records too tight. The dreaded RING WEAR. Nothing brings the value of a record down faster than ring wear. Great channel btw especially for novices just getting into collecting.
Thank you Christopher - and great point about ring wear 🍺
Really no need to keep your records outside the jacket, if you pack em in tight you will still get ring wear doing this, I’ve kept my records as you buy them and have no ring wear in over 50 years, on whatever shelf I have them I stop when I can maybe fit about another 3 or 4 albums in.
I have to agree.
I have a really stupid question to ask. Is it bad to not turn off the platter when flipping the album? Both for the album and the turntable?
Hey Gabor - I don't think it's bad, and it's certainly not a dumb question. I suppose if you're really quick and good at it I see no problem. As for me, if I tried I'd most definitely fumble the record and drop it. Probably scratch it and do all kinds of bad things to it because I'm clumsy.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecordsThanks! But. I am the clumsiest person in the World. The felt makes it seem harmless, I haven't dropped anything yet, (unless I had a sandwich and a cup of coffee in the other hand). So I guess I will keep doing it.
Is the horizontal stacking an 'old wives tail"? Indeed this is a story we have all heard for years, but has anyone seen the tests, i.e. empirical data that backs this up? I haven't. I say this since I have some old horizontal shelving unit (nice all solid oak) that were once used in an old school. It was designed to leave notes and documents for the various teachers and those areas provide only 4" between shelves or maybe 25 records maximum per shelf. I've had a good portion of my collection stored like this for well over 30 years now through a vast range of temperature and humidity variations. I must say I have not experienced one warped record that wasn't already warped 'as purchased'. So has anyone found the tests that support the horizontal hypothesis? Or are we just continuing to propagate an 'old wives tail'?
I question this, too. My Uncle had records stacked horiziontally for many years, and they still play just fine. I have some records from the mid to late '50s which say on the inner sleeve that either way is fine. The only thing is stored vertically they should not be at an angle.
I've never tested it - wouldn't dare to, but you do raise a good point. I have come across a warped record or two in my collection, but I attribute that to poor storage habits when I was younger (like too close to a heat source like a radiator, etc). The stacking on top of one another physically makes sense as being a bad thing since pressure is never good for a record. But again - perhaps it only is detrimental in rare cases?
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IKEA cubes
I use them. But only because I could not find any other storage units that have the dimensions for storage records.
I do see people post videos where they have other storage units. I have asked them from where did they purchase it, or the name of it -- but I got not answers.
And those other storage units look strong. Perhaps they hired a carpenter to custom build them?
The IKEA unit that I own is named KALLAX. It is affordable. It is not exactly strong. It does the job. But I would prefer stronger wood and stronger hinges (or whatever the parts are that hold the unit together). If feels like a good lean on the unit will bring it down.
Years ago, when I purchased the KALLAX unit, it was the only option that IKEA had that would hold records. I walked the entire store. I am not sure that KALLAX had records in mind when they designed the unit. It could just be a coincidence that they are a good fit for records?
I just took a look at IKEA's site, and there are a couple of other brands that might work for records. Only one that I found lists the measurements of the compartments.
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As to record sleeves:
I have purchased many used records that have paper sleeves. The records have held up for 40 or 50 and 60 years.
Yes, the virgin polyethylene sleeves are likely better (time will tell). I picked up a bag of MoFi record sleeves from a local record store. But I have only used a few, for records that have outstanding sound quality. Will that help preserve the records? Perhaps over several lifetimes? But I use them for my best sounding records, because... why not?
The paper sleeves could scuff the records. But I do not think that scuffs affect sound quality. Regardless, nobody wants scuffs. And I believe that only improperly storing records (@1:23) would result in scuffs.
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@5:45 -- You were hard at vinyl work, sending that message, at 4:45 in the morning. Glad to see that you wake up and get right to vinyl activity. ;-)
Agreed on the paper scuffs not affecting sound - just looks bad. I also think they must leave alot of residue and dust as they break down.
Very observant on the time of that email!! I get up at 4am every day. It's when I'm at my most creative. 🍺
What about storing them at a 45° angle? My record shelf has a lay back slant thats record size. I store my 7" records there
I honestly think 7” won’t be an issue. Very light
That's why I don't stand them up with spines facing out. You shouldn't be sliding them in and out, it puts too much wear on them. Not only that, but you can't see them. The best way to store them is standing up with them facing forward in clear protective sleeves. That way you can flip through them quickly and actually see them without placing any wear on them. Also, those rounded inserts are junk. They're hard to put in without causing them to puff out a bit. The square plastic ones are better
I’ve inherited hundreds of vinyl they have been stored on top of each other in batches of 50’s in plastic containers for 30 years plus. I don’t have a record player how can I check if they are ok without purchasing a player (wouldn’t buy a cheap one) really want to play them …….help!
Hi Joanna! You're in luck - you can tell if the way they are stored simply by sight. Removing them and looking at them by holding them up at eye level will tell you if they are warped at all. I bet you will find they are ok. This of course doesn't mean they sound okay - that depends on other thingsm but the way they were stored can be checked visually for issues.
I hope that helps!
If you have a double album with both records being 180 gram vinyl…. It adds up quickly
To easily kill your vinyl records you need three things: a car, a parking lot and a hot summer day! The temperature inside a car can rise up to 160°F and more! Remember that records are made of melted plastic!
I can only imagine how many records have met that fate, Dietmar.
This is why I never order records during summer time. Shouldn't trust those freight companies either. I have received more warped records (brand new) during summer than winter.
they used to say to do not put more than 3 records on top of eachother, about inlay papers when cds were the main format i would buy in stoped looking at inlay pappers as in records i would be looking for the cover till i had seen or noticed all inthe design as diferent types of aplieneces to a card papper cover ,even some are considered ART ,in the 80´s they wanted to pay me a lot of money for the velvet underground & Nico Lp as it had a poster by Andy warhol , all stores cease to sell records, but in a local store they had some records but ended up selling them very cheap , i ended up buying all they had there for 5€ each ,two from red hot chili peppers ,first 90´s albums, Dusk from The The, R.E.M. monster Lp , U2 acthung Baby and the several records Led Zeppelin remasters compilation, in cd there were two volumes, also a compilation of Sonic Youth , entitled SST years , in the 80´s when i still had a radio show till 10 in the night SST would be the contacted label who sent more records to me as alternative tenmtacle ,used to send me some Lp´s and compilations, Virus 100 as an example, sub-pop only sent e.p.´s and a LP ot two , i have a compilation with soundgarden between others and the connels this before they had a hit record ,74-75?is it?with a nice video, i have the original record from temple of the dog and the song where the old menbers of mother love bone future Pearl jam played with soundgarden and Edie Vedder sings in one song only one time , in the videos now played in a american channel he doesn´t shut up , they made a new mix where Edie Vedder sing several times the same when he sung only once also only knew him by singing and playing guitar on recipe for hate Lp from Bad Religion , his vocals on watch it die are very good and plays guitar on others
I havent heard Mother Love Bone mentioned in a very long time 🍺
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords it´s rock band from the U.S.of A.(Seatle) that was getting some credit but the vocalist died and" temple of the dog " homage LP from friends, makes part of a song lyrics called "the man with golden words"not that they were incredible good but in their short life ,they had already some very good rock songs, as the rythm guitar and bass player formed Pearl Jam with Eddie Vedder on vocals, the reason why he sings once in the hunger strike song in the original Lp but as i said before now he appears singing it´s part, several times in the song ,at least in the more recent re-released videoclip as in the same or one year later Pearl Jam sold a lot of copies of it´s first Lp. if you haven´t heard it yeat ,listen to their compilation that as a lot of nice songs, (if you like rock music)the letters shape written in the "Temple of the Dog " album by a friend that writtes with the same type of letters in the released at the time compilation and one song was a hit at the time because it appears in the not that good movie but funny "Singles"as lot´s of bands later recognised as very good appear in the film as mudhoney, soundgraden,Alice in chains and a fake band singing a cover version of mudhoney´s "touch me i´m sick" but in the movie Matt Dilon sings with his band ,with eddie vedder on drums, and the other two menbers of Pearl Jam, jeff Amett and Stone Gossard, the re-written song "Touch me, i´m Dick" Dick being the name of the matt Dillon personage in the movie , also when they are reading in a Journal the critics they only have bad things to say but there is a but ,in a not known european country they had a kind of success , as it was mentioned that any band when released might not be liked but there is always a european country where they were liked, and Brigitte Fonda appears in it as a dumb blonde and i used to like her appearences naked when starting her career as an actress ,it made me remenber some German girls or Danish or sueden that used to travel to not known by the portuguese beaches and walk around naked as it seems that in more to the north of Portugal countries, swiming suits weren´t available, and all were into sports as their bodies couldn´t be better if drawed,. this by the hundreds each year since the late 70´s till early 2000´s, when there was more youth in all european countries, today kids will never live a so wonderfull time to be young, sorry by the excessive coment but i wanted to kind of painting a picture about those days
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords sorry, i´m portuguese and didn´t understand it well ,it was very early and i can´t drink cofee no more or my blood preassure blows up my veins , so i mentioned like if you had never heard of them, but i can´t find the comment anyway
@@RUfromthe40s No worries at all! I appreciated your comment 🍺
And with Quiet Riot, store them in Bin 13. :)
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I have been collecting records for over 50 years now and never had much problem with ring wear apart from on older US releases. Here in the UK the record sleeves have always been printed straight onto good quality card stock, that in many cases were also laminated. The US pressings were printed on tissue thin paper that was pasted on to grey card. the card had no foldovers just the thin cover paper pasted over the card edges. Ringwear was very prevalent and the top and bottom edges always split, just from sliding the record out to play it.
I dont think ringwear is as much of an issue with modern records. I have always kept my records in their sleeves as thats basically why records have them. Also I can see the front and back of the sleeve through the poly outer.
Oh yeah and opening at the top of the poly outer sleeve for extra dust protection and ease of sliding in and out of storage.
Cheers , Dave!
the direct sunlight is the most serious enemy of your vinyl collection!
It's the kiss of death....
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords exactly!
One of the worst storage you can do is to make them reachable for cats😸😸😸!
@@Christian-fu8vx and dogs - I have some chewed covers
Not arguing the superiority of vertical storage; but in my collection flat storage, over time, cured warped records at the bottom of the stack.
I don't doubt it at all - stranger things have happened!
Storing them vertically is so much more practical. With books the same but that book on the bottom and the ones above that book don't suffer like records do. By the way it never crossed my mind to store them horizontally >> not practical. Always used a L-shape record holder.
I guess for another reason - can you imagine trying to pull out the one on the bottom to listen to?
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords_Exactly. Least appreciated and played would be the unfortunate ones. Vertically stored these ones would be the least degraded ones.
3:36 - picture is AI. Don't let it hurt you.
You rock! That’s exactly what it is. I’ve been having a lot of fun playing around with AI and I couldn’t resist asking it to make a picture of a shelving unit crashed. you have the eye of an eagle.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords I too play with the AI image gens. My avatar is also AI. 🙂
@@tempeff8670 Awesome!
Great points. Now ditch that egg and fill er up 😊.
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I store mine vertically and I've never had a problem but that's not the reason why I'm commenting... one thing I've become aware of when using the protective outer sleeves is collectively, they take up quite a bit of space. I'd be able to store more albums in the limited space that I have, if they weren't encased in a protective sleeve. A more important issue, to me at least, is I love the fragrance of album jackets but the protective sleeves cover up that smell and I also miss the tactile sensation of handling bare album covers. For those two reasons, I'm considering doing away with all of my protective sleeves. What do you think?
The way I store them in my sleeve is with the opening at the top so I have to slide the entire jacket out to get to the record within. So I still get to handle the jacket (and open it if it's gatefold). Doing it that way helps with dust. I'm not sure how much but in my OCD mind it does.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords I also do this, except that I store the record in the back of the outer sleeve. Having the opening at the top also prevents the outer sleeve to slide off when pulling them in and out of the shelf. To get the smell that the dude above mention, I do take the outer sleeve completely off, look at the cover, and enjoy the vinyl experience. On my records from the 80s, I can still smell the record store from inside the album cover's opening. 😂
@@rabarebraGot it! (I think)
3:09 Mind you that's not an ordinary egg. It's a Khaleesi's dragon egg.
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If you walk into a record shop and see piles of horizontally stored records … be verrrrry skeptical or just leave.
I second that John!
Stop using those thick PVC sleeves too.
I'm with you on sleeves made from PVC
When i was a kid i would stack my records in the closet to hide them from my parents. Eventually the would all "dish" from the weight!😮
Oh no!
Surely all of this is just common sense . I knew as a child to store vinyl this way .
Hi Christopher - for you and I (and many others) I am sure it is. There are many just discovering records for the first time and this is really for them. Cheers! 🍺
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The best!