That's probably my favorite feature about it. It's so much more upgradable because of it. Plus it can get a better performance as a DMR due to the extra cylinder volume
yup as it should be haha, i also wanna they make a scar h with a gearbox like that, but anyways is not that hard to fit a v2.5 on a scar h as it would be in a vfc 417 haha@@HappysAirsoft
@carlosruizesparza3760 I feel like with the right tools and a little creativity, getting a v2.5 in a scar H wouldn't be too bad. But I agree, putting one in the VFC 417 would be a challenge. I almost want to get one to directly compare them and see if that actually would be possible.
@carlosruizesparza3760 someone put a post on Facebook showing their VFC M110A1 (fancy 417) converted to take a V2.5 gearbox! It wasn't too hard he said, and it accepted the E&C 417 magazines!
Good to see lesser brands branching out, sometimes I like to try out a platform by getting a cheap replica to mess with then deciding if I want to invest in a premium model.
@QuattroSG I agree! It's nice when a more affordable brand makes a cool replica that's actually good. I had heard good things about E&C, and the photos of the gearbox looked promising so I went for this and it paid off!
@@HappysAirsoft Yes its nice to have more power, the gearbox sounds happy when playing with m140/m150 springs - Taiwangun just released a DMR version coming soon, I have mine setup as a heavy assault rifle
Just so you know, Guarder springs are labeled/messured from the factory with 0.25 BB, not 0.20 BB like other springs, so that means an SP140 shoots 140 m/s with 0.25, so it's really more like an M160.
I've heard that as well. I've just never had it be officially confirmed from Guarder or a Guarder retailer. I've personally heard that it's only one level up. So SP140=M150. I did eventually throw in a different hop up unit, bucking, and barrel which boosted the muzzle energy to 2.3-2.35J with .40s. I downgraded to a heavily used M150 (it was in a DSG) and it went to 2.05-2.1ish Joules so I feel like a fresh M150 would be on par with that SP140. But hey who knows, what I've heard could still be wrong
@@HappysAirsoft 140m/s with 0.25 BB is 155m/s with 0.20 BB, plus/minus a little depending on barrel length/bore and airseal. They are high qulity springs, among the best you can buy. Some techs don't have a clue how the are rated and complain about them shooting "hot", and having to cut some coils of or short stroke to bring the power down when istalling a SP130 and thinking they'll get around 410 FPS, in reality they installed a "DMR spring". I got 500 FPS with an SP130 on a 230mm 6.04 inner barrel, they are powerfull springs, as long as you know that they are great👍 What other hop chamber did you try, was is the Maxx?
@KAG2203 yeah that's about right. I always forget that you gotta factor in the exponential part of the Joule equation when saying "400fps with a .25g bbs is equal to blah blah blah fps with a .20" it really gets wild at higher muzzle velocities with heavier weights if that makes sense. Like how 250fps with a .25g bb is only equivalent to 280fps with a .20 But 400fps with a .25g bb is like 445-450fps with a .20g bb. But yeah I always knew the guarder SP series spring packed more punch and were really high quality. They're some of my favorite springs for sure! And for the hop up unit, I went with a Maxx. It doesn't have long enough uhhh how would you say... stabilizer fin things? The things on the side that extend into the outer barrel assembly to keep it locked into place and prevent rotation. However, when the mag is in, it locks it into place
Finally good review, it would be great to use caliper and messure parts like inner barrel and nozzle to see if it's correct dimmension like on site, as you said, 6.04 or 6.02... when I mailed taiwangun they label me 6.02... Im waiting for this replica to come and I will hpa system, so for HPA users, nozzle lenght gives huge help (nozzle lenght from closed gearbox to tip of nozzle) but when it comes, I will add here if someone need... other than that, very good review ! 😊
Thank you! I'm really glad you enjoyed the review! I might open the gun one day after I abuse the gearbox for a while but I wanted to leave it closed for now. There is another video from a guy in Europe (Germany I think) who measures the nozzle. It's 23.04mm long. th-cam.com/video/9V5oszih95M/w-d-xo.htmlsi=lrb5if6FGpp7Pzeo
If you get this from Taiwan yet I'm pretty sure it does include the muzzle device but it's painted orange. Just put it in a bowl of paint thinner and it should dissolve it off. I do the same thing with anything that has painted threads. Imthe paint is so thin that I can scratch it off with my fingernails.
@darkshock42mlg05 maybe I should recheck the box lol. But the one on it in the thumbnail was definitely orange plastic. It's got a huge suppressor on it now though
@@HappysAirsoft That's just My experience from ordering from Taiwan gun. I ordered two guns from them. December Platinum MP5 and the aeroknox ax15. Both had orange mouse devices but they were metal and just had a very thin layer of paint on them. For Taiwan gun, they only painted the three lug, but they include the actual muzzle device in a separate bag and you can unscrew the muzzle device with your hands after removing a grubscrew. My guess is to I might not include is because you live May live in a state like New York or California. Utah which is a pro to a state and did not wrap tape around it
I definitely think so! I swapped the motor, spring, barrel, bucking, nub, and chamber now and it's pretty much a DMR. It's not a super high quality DMR build but it can hop .40s no problem and send them pretty far out there!
As a side note, I don't know of any ar patter rfles that are steel. They are typically aircraft grade aluminum but of course this is airsoft me a little lower grade. The only way to get that kind of external quality is to buy a PFC or GMP, but even then these have a better finish. Not better metal
Nice review ? What upgrades did you do? I'm starting airsoft and i may consider this replica and play as DMR, however, i'm limited to max 2J. In stocks configuration, what's the max BB weight it can hop ? thanks* PS: during the chrono, diod you put the hop up to 0 ?
Thanks! As of right now, I got a few upgrades that are not shown in the video. I switched it up a few months after I made this. Currently I have an M140 spring, Maxx M4 hop up unit, maple leaf 75° macaron bucking, prometheus 6.03 × 509mm tightbore, flat hop nub, and an ASG ultimate 22tpa 22k motor. So far it's been a really cool DMR platform. If you skip to the stock chrono, it's right around 2J with .40g bbs. If I remember right, it can hop .36s with ease and even .40s. When I chrono tested it, I had the hop up on but I can't remember to what degree. I turned it all the way off and it hardly made a difference though.
@@k.f.cchicken2807 I would say the hop up chamber, bucking, motor, and inner barrel. If you leave the stock spring in there, it should stay at or under 450FPS.
Good day sir.. Can you have a review for EC SR25 901? I'm planing to buy and upgrade it nxt year.. i want to make it full upgraded like 600fps with the best inner upgrades and attachments possible... Thanks and more success
@stygiandesolator7424 I probably won't be able to since all the guns I review are my personal ones, or they belong to friends. If I can get my hands on one, I will! I think they share the same internals as the 417 and mine is over 500fps now. I put in a prometheus 6.03 × 509mm tightbore, M140 spring, ASG 22TPA motor, maple leaf 75° bucking, and a Maxx model product hop up unit and that's it! So far it's holding up well. For 600fps, you may need an M150-M170 spring, so that could require more upgrades, such as a new Gearbox shell, stronger gears, and maybe even a stronger piston.
@@bloxmaster2623 for mine, I upgraded to an ASG 22TPA motor, a prometheus tightbore, maple leaf 75° bucking, Maxx hop up unit, and an M140 spring This made it into much more of a DMR
@motanugras6851 I did not however someone else did on TH-cam and I'll link you the video. Also I put a regular cylinder next to mine off camera and this one has a longer cylinder th-cam.com/video/7K0Z9UZygyo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=_Nz92oEs3Vcx-sO2 Go to around 8 minutes to see the internals
@HappysAirsoft Yeah ik, I've watched the hole video. The video you've linked me was the video I was searching, thanks! The sector gear has 19 teeth and the set looks compatible with sr25 style gear sets ( the spur gear is bigger and thicker than normal v2/v3 gears)
@@HappysAirsoft huh. My E&C 416D had trades under the same stickers but I’m from gelsoft land down under, US/Euro models may be diff, plus it’s a different rifle all together (word is we’re getting these 417’s in gel around January-ish, we’ll see for sure then lol)
@hazard_wookiee7413 yeah after removing the stickers, there's nothing on mine sadly. But that's cool that you're from all the way down there! Gel blasters look cool but not quite as high performance as airsoft in terms of range/accuracy. I wonder how this would be in Gel blaster form...
@@HappysAirsoft that’s pretty much it, just a straight downgrade performance wise. CQB holds up great though, just can’t hit the shots that something like a 417 was meant for lol. Personally I’m keen to travel internationally and give airsoft a proper go one day
@hazard_wookiee7413 yeah from what I've seen in videos, their groupings are all over the place at range. Definitely not good for a Marksman rifle like a 417. And Definitely give that a go! You could even make the short trip up to Japan and play there!
Theas e&c gear boxs are stupid easy to work on but i noticed with some of there gearboxs thay dont have shims :| but thays not hard to shim the gears and the airseal is pretty decent and quick chnage spring is nice and easy to swap id say dump the motor for somehting a little better and be warned some of fheas e&c inner barrels are caked in greese like i mean its realy in there so if you getine take the upper off the lower and run the unjamming rod with skme paler towel and test to see if the inner barrel has grease witch i take it is for storage since the inner barrels are brass but over all there not bad guns and i habe there mk18 mod0 thay also came with deep colt trades and crane marking on the magwell
I already swapped to an ASG 22K motor and I noticed the excess barrel grease as well! I swapped to a prometheus 6.03 tightbore now with a Maple leaf 75° bucking. It's shooting pretty nicely and can hop .40g bbs pretty well! Overall, I really like this gun!
@giuseppeoloresisimo6609 it was pretty easy. It arrived to me in Wisconsin after like 8 days or so. Just make sure in the order comments or special requests, you have them make the gun California compliant. I asked them to do that just to be safe and it arrived exactly the way I requested.
@giuseppeoloresisimo6609 I appreciate that! But yeah if you get one, I hope it goes smoothly for you. US customs are so weird about what they do and don't accept
the fact it uses a propper sr25 gearbox, and not that crappy stuff vfc does with their versions makes it a hundred times better
That's probably my favorite feature about it. It's so much more upgradable because of it. Plus it can get a better performance as a DMR due to the extra cylinder volume
yup as it should be haha, i also wanna they make a scar h with a gearbox like that, but anyways is not that hard to fit a v2.5 on a scar h as it would be in a vfc 417 haha@@HappysAirsoft
@carlosruizesparza3760 I feel like with the right tools and a little creativity, getting a v2.5 in a scar H wouldn't be too bad. But I agree, putting one in the VFC 417 would be a challenge. I almost want to get one to directly compare them and see if that actually would be possible.
@carlosruizesparza3760 someone put a post on Facebook showing their VFC M110A1 (fancy 417) converted to take a V2.5 gearbox! It wasn't too hard he said, and it accepted the E&C 417 magazines!
Good to see lesser brands branching out, sometimes I like to try out a platform by getting a cheap replica to mess with then deciding if I want to invest in a premium model.
@QuattroSG I agree! It's nice when a more affordable brand makes a cool replica that's actually good. I had heard good things about E&C, and the photos of the gearbox looked promising so I went for this and it paid off!
I have this gun and its very nice, have played big many hour games with it, definitely recommend
I've gotten to field it a handful of times and it's pretty nice so far! I just really like that the gearbox has held up to m140-m150 springs
@@HappysAirsoft Yes its nice to have more power, the gearbox sounds happy when playing with m140/m150 springs - Taiwangun just released a DMR version coming soon, I have mine setup as a heavy assault rifle
Just so you know, Guarder springs are labeled/messured from the factory with 0.25 BB, not 0.20 BB like other springs, so that means an SP140 shoots 140 m/s with 0.25, so it's really more like an M160.
I've heard that as well. I've just never had it be officially confirmed from Guarder or a Guarder retailer. I've personally heard that it's only one level up. So SP140=M150. I did eventually throw in a different hop up unit, bucking, and barrel which boosted the muzzle energy to 2.3-2.35J with .40s. I downgraded to a heavily used M150 (it was in a DSG) and it went to 2.05-2.1ish Joules so I feel like a fresh M150 would be on par with that SP140. But hey who knows, what I've heard could still be wrong
@@HappysAirsoft 140m/s with 0.25 BB is 155m/s with 0.20 BB, plus/minus a little depending on barrel length/bore and airseal.
They are high qulity springs, among the best you can buy. Some techs don't have a clue how the are rated and complain about them shooting "hot", and having to cut some coils of or short stroke to bring the power down when istalling a SP130 and thinking they'll get around 410 FPS, in reality they installed a "DMR spring".
I got 500 FPS with an SP130 on a 230mm 6.04 inner barrel, they are powerfull springs, as long as you know that they are great👍
What other hop chamber did you try, was is the Maxx?
@KAG2203 yeah that's about right. I always forget that you gotta factor in the exponential part of the Joule equation when saying "400fps with a
.25g bbs is equal to blah blah blah fps with a .20" it really gets wild at higher muzzle velocities with heavier weights if that makes sense. Like how 250fps with a .25g bb is only equivalent to 280fps with a .20
But 400fps with a .25g bb is like 445-450fps with a .20g bb. But yeah I always knew the guarder SP series spring packed more punch and were really high quality. They're some of my favorite springs for sure! And for the hop up unit, I went with a Maxx. It doesn't have long enough uhhh how would you say... stabilizer fin things? The things on the side that extend into the outer barrel assembly to keep it locked into place and prevent rotation. However, when the mag is in, it locks it into place
@@HappysAirsoft ok, good to know
The stock chamber, it's a plastic Prowin copy? Then prowin or any metal clone of it should fit🤔
@@KAG2203 I think it might be a modified version of the plastic SHS hop up unit
www.evike.com/products/62384/
Finally good review, it would be great to use caliper and messure parts like inner barrel and nozzle to see if it's correct dimmension like on site, as you said, 6.04 or 6.02... when I mailed taiwangun they label me 6.02... Im waiting for this replica to come and I will hpa system, so for HPA users, nozzle lenght gives huge help (nozzle lenght from closed gearbox to tip of nozzle) but when it comes, I will add here if someone need... other than that, very good review ! 😊
Thank you! I'm really glad you enjoyed the review! I might open the gun one day after I abuse the gearbox for a while but I wanted to leave it closed for now. There is another video from a guy in Europe (Germany I think) who measures the nozzle. It's 23.04mm long.
th-cam.com/video/9V5oszih95M/w-d-xo.htmlsi=lrb5if6FGpp7Pzeo
Did you hpa it?
How did the hpa go?
If you get this from Taiwan yet I'm pretty sure it does include the muzzle device but it's painted orange. Just put it in a bowl of paint thinner and it should dissolve it off. I do the same thing with anything that has painted threads. Imthe paint is so thin that I can scratch it off with my fingernails.
@darkshock42mlg05 maybe I should recheck the box lol. But the one on it in the thumbnail was definitely orange plastic. It's got a huge suppressor on it now though
@@HappysAirsoft That's just My experience from ordering from Taiwan gun. I ordered two guns from them. December Platinum MP5 and the aeroknox ax15. Both had orange mouse devices but they were metal and just had a very thin layer of paint on them. For Taiwan gun, they only painted the three lug, but they include the actual muzzle device in a separate bag and you can unscrew the muzzle device with your hands after removing a grubscrew. My guess is to I might not include is because you live May live in a state like New York or California. Utah which is a pro to a state and did not wrap tape around it
Surly a new inner barrel bucking and nub with possibly a upgraded chamber would make this DMR ready?
I definitely think so! I swapped the motor, spring, barrel, bucking, nub, and chamber now and it's pretty much a DMR. It's not a super high quality DMR build but it can hop .40s no problem and send them pretty far out there!
As a side note, I don't know of any ar patter rfles that are steel. They are typically aircraft grade aluminum but of course this is airsoft me a little lower grade. The only way to get that kind of external quality is to buy a PFC or GMP, but even then these have a better finish. Not better metal
The g28 had a steel receiver originally.
Nice review ? What upgrades did you do? I'm starting airsoft and i may consider this replica and play as DMR, however, i'm limited to max 2J. In stocks configuration, what's the max BB weight it can hop ? thanks*
PS: during the chrono, diod you put the hop up to 0 ?
Thanks! As of right now, I got a few upgrades that are not shown in the video. I switched it up a few months after I made this. Currently I have an M140 spring, Maxx M4 hop up unit, maple leaf 75° macaron bucking, prometheus 6.03 × 509mm tightbore, flat hop nub, and an ASG ultimate 22tpa 22k motor. So far it's been a really cool DMR platform. If you skip to the stock chrono, it's right around 2J with .40g bbs. If I remember right, it can hop .36s with ease and even .40s. When I chrono tested it, I had the hop up on but I can't remember to what degree. I turned it all the way off and it hardly made a difference though.
@@HappysAirsoftwhich of these upgrades are the most important and keep the gun within 450 fps?
@@k.f.cchicken2807 I would say the hop up chamber, bucking, motor, and inner barrel. If you leave the stock spring in there, it should stay at or under 450FPS.
@@HappysAirsoft is a 509mm inner barrel not too big for that gun?
@k.f.cchicken2807 It's way too big for it, so I have a huge suppressor on my 417 now
Good day sir.. Can you have a review for EC SR25 901? I'm planing to buy and upgrade it nxt year.. i want to make it full upgraded like 600fps with the best inner upgrades and attachments possible... Thanks and more success
@stygiandesolator7424 I probably won't be able to since all the guns I review are my personal ones, or they belong to friends. If I can get my hands on one, I will! I think they share the same internals as the 417 and mine is over 500fps now. I put in a prometheus 6.03 × 509mm tightbore, M140 spring, ASG 22TPA motor, maple leaf 75° bucking, and a Maxx model product hop up unit and that's it! So far it's holding up well. For 600fps, you may need an M150-M170 spring, so that could require more upgrades, such as a new Gearbox shell, stronger gears, and maybe even a stronger piston.
@@HappysAirsoft i appreciate your tips boss
what upgrades would you recommend to make it more of a DMR?
@@bloxmaster2623 for mine, I upgraded to an ASG 22TPA motor, a prometheus tightbore, maple leaf 75° bucking, Maxx hop up unit, and an M140 spring
This made it into much more of a DMR
Mine is DH 22 EC-802 m7a1 model.
how many teeth does the sector gear has?
does it has the standard 16 teeth or 19?
This one has 19 teeth on it
@HappysAirsoft did you open up the gearbox and counted the teeth? the cylinder dosnt look like a full lenght 2.5
@motanugras6851 I did not however someone else did on TH-cam and I'll link you the video. Also I put a regular cylinder next to mine off camera and this one has a longer cylinder
th-cam.com/video/7K0Z9UZygyo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=_Nz92oEs3Vcx-sO2
Go to around 8 minutes to see the internals
@HappysAirsoft Yeah ik, I've watched the hole video. The video you've linked me was the video I was searching, thanks! The sector gear has 19 teeth and the set looks compatible with sr25 style gear sets ( the spur gear is bigger and thicker than normal v2/v3 gears)
@motanugras6851 yeah no problem! It should take SR25 style parts inside. So far this gun has been pretty awesome for me!
What brand of spare magazines did you get?
You have to get E&C ones from Taiwan Gun. The VFC and Golden eagle ones won't work from my understanding
Trades are under the stickers
@@hazard_wookiee7413 I think there's a version with trades and one without. This is the one without
@@HappysAirsoft huh. My E&C 416D had trades under the same stickers but I’m from gelsoft land down under, US/Euro models may be diff, plus it’s a different rifle all together (word is we’re getting these 417’s in gel around January-ish, we’ll see for sure then lol)
@hazard_wookiee7413 yeah after removing the stickers, there's nothing on mine sadly. But that's cool that you're from all the way down there! Gel blasters look cool but not quite as high performance as airsoft in terms of range/accuracy. I wonder how this would be in Gel blaster form...
@@HappysAirsoft that’s pretty much it, just a straight downgrade performance wise. CQB holds up great though, just can’t hit the shots that something like a 417 was meant for lol. Personally I’m keen to travel internationally and give airsoft a proper go one day
@hazard_wookiee7413 yeah from what I've seen in videos, their groupings are all over the place at range. Definitely not good for a Marksman rifle like a 417. And Definitely give that a go! You could even make the short trip up to Japan and play there!
Theas e&c gear boxs are stupid easy to work on but i noticed with some of there gearboxs thay dont have shims :| but thays not hard to shim the gears and the airseal is pretty decent and quick chnage spring is nice and easy to swap id say dump the motor for somehting a little better and be warned some of fheas e&c inner barrels are caked in greese like i mean its realy in there so if you getine take the upper off the lower and run the unjamming rod with skme paler towel and test to see if the inner barrel has grease witch i take it is for storage since the inner barrels are brass but over all there not bad guns and i habe there mk18 mod0 thay also came with deep colt trades and crane marking on the magwell
I already swapped to an ASG 22K motor and I noticed the excess barrel grease as well! I swapped to a prometheus 6.03 tightbore now with a Maple leaf 75° bucking. It's shooting pretty nicely and can hop .40g bbs pretty well! Overall, I really like this gun!
600 is normal here in Philippines
Where can one purchase stateside?
Unfortunately, I don't think any US based store/site carries them yet. I had to get mine from Taiwan gun based in Poland
@@HappysAirsoft how was the process? How long was the wait? I live here in California.
@giuseppeoloresisimo6609 it was pretty easy. It arrived to me in Wisconsin after like 8 days or so. Just make sure in the order comments or special requests, you have them make the gun California compliant. I asked them to do that just to be safe and it arrived exactly the way I requested.
@@HappysAirsoft good to know. Thanks! I subscribed btw :)
@giuseppeoloresisimo6609 I appreciate that! But yeah if you get one, I hope it goes smoothly for you. US customs are so weird about what they do and don't accept