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When you’re recording music at home, you’ll often end up with unpleasant sound reflectivity, a build-up of low-end frequencies, and weird echoes.
So in today’s video, we’re going to help you combat these issues with acoustic absorption. There’s a lot going on with room acoustics, but we’ll keep it simple and show you the most effective way to treat your room on an affordable budget!
In This Video:
0:13 -- Before/After Acoustic Treatment
0:48 -- Introduction To Sound Treatment
2:19 -- Premade Acoustic Panels (If You Prefer)
2:38 -- Creating Your Own Sound Panels (Save 40%)
4:33 -- Wall-Mounting Your Panels For The Best Results
5:29 -- Ceiling-Mounting Panels (With Easy Suspension)
6:00 -- Final Thoughts & Tips For Better Results
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Guys please don't stop making these videos. I've been a musician for 20 years.....wow...and I've just started engineering 1 year ago. I have been flooding myself with as much quality info on how to be the best I can. I never understood how important the sound engineer was and how difficult a musician can make it. Please keep making quality, and the quantity will come.
The panels on the garage rails, genius,. This is similar to my set up, I 've renovated my garage for the past year and ready for sound proofing thanks for the inspiration and this video!
It's highly recommended that you place these panels around 1 inch from the wall. The air gap is very important.
I've seen a lot of videos that say that exact same thing. Some people even go as far as having two layers of air, one between the insulation and the panel's cover, and the second between the insulation and the wall. Is that necessary, or is that overkill?
You just answered my question!!! Can I glue half Inch cork wall tiles ... DIRECTLY TO THE WALL?? And I believe I will have hmm create that ... INCH AIR GAP!! Right?
@@dumpeeplarfunny Depends on your wallet and how "Professional" you want your studio to sound.
@Brian B So in order to absorb a 30Hz frequency, meaning about 12 meters in length, I have to leave a 3 meters air gap?! :))))
@@dumpeeplarfunny no its importent
good info - except (as noted below) need to cover the back panels for health reasons. that said, you gave me much to ponder as i design my first real studio. love the OUD man! i play the modern Godin version.
I have avoided using fiberglass based panels like those here and instead use Rockwool, it is not stiff like those, but does come in a role 15 1/2 inches wide, and can be easily place in 3 1/2 inch thick pine frames, then covered with cloth material front and back. They work awesome.
Thanks i built my ceiling clouds using this video as a guide. They turned out great.
Thank you for teach us excellent advices about the improve the sound in home studio you give me good ideas for build my future studio. Thank a lot my friend. Have nice day.
To harden the edges of the panels use Roman-543 or Roman-838 Adhesive. This is the stuff people use for wallpaper and is exactly the same stuff as No-Frame Edge Coating, only available at any hardware store and is 1/4 the price of No-Frame. I discovered this after buying No-Frame and comparing it to the Roman-543 I had recently used for wallpapering a room. It is identical and performs exactly the same way. It's just glue that soaks into the panels and dries hard. Hope this helps someone save some money.
Tried this... appreciate the advice but I am going back for the poly.
@@williamchen33 I was about to pick up some of the Roman adhesive. What was your experience with it? Are you using a poly resin?
Great gluing technique, gluing just the side corners and not the middle of the front panel. The results speak for themselves. It sounds fantastic.
Thank you!
Jeff Beck What type of resin you used like brand
I did my little home studio using standard 2' X 4' acoustic ceiling tiles and gluing them to the wall in an overlapping checkerboard pattern. Works great.
Great video! Thanks for the tips! so excited for arrival of my Music computing Naru station!
Absolutely love this! Planning on treating my room and this is a HUGE help. Liked and subscribed!
DITTO!!!
ouch, you might wanna use Tyvek in between the fabric and the fiberglass, that stuff is nasty and you don't wanna breathe those fiberglass particles in. Tyvek is a micro porous plastic wrap that allows the air(and sound) come through but not the fiberglass dust.
This is a great extra mile on these panels, thanks for sharing!
You are very welcome :)
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What kind of Tyvek should be used, can you explain further?
The vapor barrier/house wrap one
Super osm.. Am going to do the the same treatment to my studio as well.. Tq
I've always wanted to built panels like this. Thanks for giving me some more motivation to finally do it.
how did it go
Guys keep making videos like this we really need them and thank you a lot.
Thx so much for useful video and help me in home-studio building model and others
Thank you very much for this video. You just got a new subscriber.
I would suggest using Roxul, its way better than fiberglass. Also the tyvek suggestion is solid.
Omg!!! You blew me away with what you did with the ceiling! Absolutely gorgeous studio. 😱I have a question, since your studio is in the garage do you live in an area where seasons change? and if so what do you recommend for winter months as to keeping in the area warm and that won’t affect recording or quality sound?
*That is a great idea. I will apply these to my studio*
dude you need more subscribers .... this is priceless ... Also I like the fact that you have an Oud ( I wonder if you play it, Cause I do)
Thank you for the information man!
Recordeo is really awesome. I have learned new tips and I need help regarding how to make a sound proof room for practicing drums.
It sure did sound great, that is for sure.
Hi Varma I turned my garage into a floating room.Floating ceiling & walls.My garage is seperate from the main house.You have to build a room with in a room with the soft fibreglass battens doubled up.Your main leakage is the door you enter in and out of.
Your video was very helpful thank you for sharing your awesome video
What sound isolation did you put on the garage door? Thanks for this you've made my day less stressful!!!
Superb video. This is what is good about TH-cam! Awesome job.
Thank you! We're glad to help the recording community improve their sounds!
Awesome job!
Good to see my shed outside has the right insulation.
This is amazing man! Kudos!!
Good jop pro 🔥 is perfect Thank you. You benefited from this video
Good shit man. Good shit.
very happy to see you doing this new tutorial channel!! just want to mention that i didn't hear such a big difference between the two acoustics...
I'm with you man , I used both my ears and still couldn't tell the difference.
What kind of difference did you expect? What is your understanding of how the sound changes in an untreated in comparison to a treated room? :)
You do such a great job with Drumeo I love the idea of Recordeo! What else can we look forward to on this channel/your website?
Thanks Kevin! Be on the lookout for lessons on all things recording audio! Different genres of music, a multitude of instruments and home studio situations, gear tips, mixing, and so much more! We want you to be able to easily share your musical ideas with the world.
This is prolly the most concise video on frameless panels. Noe sure no air gap, but thats not always nesscerray for everyone. Yes the panels perform down to lower frequencies with an air gap but thats not always 100% nesscerray. Also the edge hardner... yeah use more than recommended. Alot more. 2 days to dry. But yes the edge hardness will depend on how heavy ya applicationof it.
BEST VIDEO AND I’ve watched dozens
Thank you!!
Yes to Rockwool safe and sound, either doubling the depth of the panels for lower mid band absorption and keeping 1-2 inches off wall. Wondering why didn’t you cut super chunks for corners, ie 2x2 cut diagonally and stacked up to ceiling, a thin panel in a corner isn’t as effective.
Excelente Víctor! Gracias
really great work
Thank you!
Another excellent video from Victor and Musora. I appreciate the Primacoustic recommendation. The Primacoustic "London 12" kit looks good for my room. In my mind, the bass traps and other long panels would be mostly behind and beside my kit, with the 12 little squares arranged together on the other side of the room. Would that be generally OK? Right now, I'm just using sound blankets around the room perimeter. Thanks, and can't wait for the official launch of Recordeo!
Thanks Andrew.. beautiful Yamaha kit you've got there and great job with your recordings so far! Your proposed configuration would work perfectly in your studio.
One subscriber for that hard work.
Build a simple wooden frame out of distressed and stained pine 1x3 boards to surround the panels for an attractive edge appearance and get the absorptive material away from the wall. Home Depot can cut the raw boards to length for you, then you take them home and beat the crap out of them with various instruments of death (just don't hit them so hard that they crack), then sand and stain, pre drill pilot holes, then fasten with screws (I like Deckmate star-drive coated screws for everything and they come in different colors). You can then hang these frames from the wall using hooks. I think a touch of stained wood makes for a much more professional look than putting a bunch of soft cloth covered pads all over the walls.
Great reference showing here!!!
Your sound after the treatment is amazing, thanks a lot for sharing 👍
Thank you! Please share with anyone who could benefit from this knowledge.
So timely, I’m moving my studio into a new garage this weekend! Such great and cheap ideas that I probably wouldn’t have come up with. Stealing this space! Haha. Thank you so much.
Awesome, thank you!
I curious about how you isolated and dampened the garage door? I have a thin wall with a neighbor here in berlin Germany, but can’t find industrial isolation curtains. Best I can find are 7 layer hofa and they are pretty expensive and better for dampening than isolating I hear.
Great content !! Nice tricks ! Big like and subbed bro !
First off Great video really learned a lot, for sure a cheap why to make panels without any frame. Wondering if you were able to keep the panels 2 inches away from the wall with the impalers? I've typically heard that's it's best to keep the panels about 2" away from the wall.
Thank you! Yes, if you can create an air gap behind the panels, there effective absorption range can extend downward up to another octave below. For our room, we really did not have a build up of low frequency energy, as it's a garage and the vast majority of that portion of sound is escaping through the garage door...it's kind of a blessing and a curse being in a garage :). I do definitely highly recommend you create an air gap in your home studios that are inside of the house though. You can use something called "offset impalers" for this.
Hi, what did you use to treat the floor ? I imagine, there was a concrete floor before treatment...
Super Amazing insight and knowledge. Thanks !!!
Thank you!
Nice set up turned out really good. One question though my Mic picks up white abit of white noise even with the recording volume quite low does that mean I need to do something like this to minimize the white noise?
Thanks! Sounds like you're experiencing the noise floor of your equipment being loud -- every piece of audio equipment essentially has a noise floor and we need to set the gain staging as correctly as possible every step of the way to lessen the noise in the final signal: The mic, the cable, the preamp, the gain setting, the audio interface (analog to digital conversion). That said, there could be acoustic sources that cause the general "white noise" in your room such as computers, amplifiers, air conditioning or heating, fans of any sort, and other noises from other rooms, etc.
hi brother. i am in india tamilnadu. very usefull your video. thanks bro. thankyou
Thank you for this information! My son is going to use your technique for his Eagle Scout Project for the VFW.
No worries, thank you!
any way I could some pics of the finished product?
Other than what's in the video, no, sorry! You could hit the video quality to 4K, full screen, and pause at different spots :)
yup, that worked, thank you, btw, you have a very nice voice and that's a good thing since we are going to be listening to you over and over again when it comes time to put these together, LOL
Haha, thank you!
Amazing bro
the best guide, without carpentry skills.thanks!
Nice tips. If folks do the DIY option with the glue, I would recommend do that in a well ventilated area.
Haha, yes! Thanks!
Unless you like sniffing glue of course ;) Don't recommend it....
People, you should be aware that particuls, especially in rock fiber panels, are way smaller than any fabric stitch... With long exposure you will definitely breath particules... :(
You should cover the foam with extralight vapour barrier before putting some fabric :)
looks great dude!
Watch at 1.5 speed
Now that's efficient use of time! :)
will that help my recording sound even more amazing?
thank you
I tried out 2 speed, then went back to Normal after a couple minutes. Sounds like that man's talking slow-mo.
I do that with almost any video.. people are slow..
Can u pls mention the link to buy the pannels?
Great video. Used to be a dealer of primacoustic. Been considering purchasing some of their panels for my new studio build I'm working on. I've done the wood frame method before and just wasn't planning on doing that much work again. Stumbled upon this video and I think I'm going to try this! Thanks also for including your materials list. Although I didn't hear you mention overall cost. Do you have a ballpark estimate? At least for doing 6 since thats the pack the fiberglass comes in?
Great job!
What kind of fabric is it? Thank you in advance!
thanks for this video. a few questions:
1. can we use Polystyrene instead of fibreglass?
2. can we spray paint any artwork onto the acoustic cloth?
Thanks
1) nope, sorry
2) no, because then the pores are closed and it is works almost like a concrete wall, so you don't get the desired effect of absorption. :/
Polystyrene is used to support soundproof
Thanks for the inspiration!
Really awesome!! Thanks!!!
My music room is a bonus room...knee walls, angled ceiling, 2 nooks for windows...ALL KINDS OF ANGLES! What do you recommend? How would I angle these panels and treat all these angles in a logical way?
Did you remember to offset the spacing on the parallel wall?
Would I notice a difference without the fabric covering? Before I get my hands on the fabrics to cover it? And can I place them horizontally?
Thank you! I have been researching a bunch of methods and think we may go with this one! Thank you for the video! What was the reasoning on going with 703 vs the 705? Isn't prima actually made with 705 (6lb density)? Not a critique at all (newbie to acoustics), just curious as to why you went with 703 but also recommend prima which is made with 705. Or have you found it to not make too much of a difference? Thanks again!
Bro I much appreciated your great video, personally but...I wish it was a bit detailed. Those metal bars at ceiling for instance...and so on.
Amazing work bro
great video but i have a question for you.I notice you and most people only have speakers up or sign about 3 feet on guitar or standing up,I have a clavinova piano with speakers and the base coming out from the bottom in a 9 X 11 room with a window and a door of course so the question is. should I put panels as base traps angled from the floor up? yamaha clavinova if you want to check it out so you can get and idea.thank you
Awesome insights!
Awesome Video dude !!
Thanks!
Beautiful oud in the background
Thank you! Love that thing.
No idea where you got that edge hardening resin from- but I cannot find anything close to what it looks like
Hi what’s fabric did you use for panels please ?
I use greenwool for my studio... I think it's safer than fiberglass
I just tape live sheep to my wall. I feel it's more organic and safe than green wool
@@kristianlund1293 seconded. The bleeting adds some nice ambiance to the projects I work on. Although, I've been getting less work since I installed them for some reason.
@@kristianlund1293
I don't know...
Sounds like a baaaa...d idea.
Great advice, thank you!
Thanks🖒🖒 very helpfull
Question: what is the purpose of the edge hardening resin? Is it completely necessary? ETA - I think I get it now ... derp. I see this is mounted without the typical wood frame I've seen in most sound panel videos. That's why. Looks quite a bit easier than the wood frame route! I like it.
Ok, cool...yes it is so that you can create a nice sharp looking corner, with minimal effort and without sacrificing too much of the panel's absorptive properties.
What is the resin/ hardening agent called?
Thanks!
Bro I’m looking at all the comments and you never respond to the resin. You tell us to use water based polyurethane resin but cant tell us which brand to use
Where did you get the duct board and what's the price per box?
Hey! Great vid! Came across this as I'm working through the process of making my panels for the first time. Couple questions about the edge hardening resin. Can you provide a brand name or link for where to purchase? And do you think that would work well for ridged Rockwool as well? I went with R60 and R80 instead of the Cornings 703. Any info appreciated. Thanks!
This stuff works well for a water-based poly: www.buyinsulationproductstore.com/no-frame-fiberglass-edge-coating/?src=prn#write_review
I haven't personally used the rigid Roxul, though if it's similar to the Corning 703, this edge resin should work fine for it as well.
Hi Victor! I’m a recordeo student. Can you please recommend a edge hardening resin or a prallel that has worked for you… something more generic maybe like from home depot? This isn’t available anywhere around our side of the world. Thanks! :)
The before and after early in the video, he's louder and closer in the after. Not a true A/B comparison.
Taking out the extra sound that is the reverberation would reduce the volume level. If you then bring the volume of that sound up to match the first recording, they'll be just as loud, but the second will be much clearer and have better bass. From the point of view of recording, that's ultimately the difference that matters.
@@dumpeeplarfunny Well said!
He's wearing a clip on mic....it doesn't matter how far he is from the camera. His room is probably super reflective, but since you're getting a close up sound from a clip on mic and not the sound from the camera mic, he is capturing much less reverberation and unwanted frequencies, which I think also makes the difference less noticeable. I hope you agree that the acoustic guitar comparison shows a much clearer difference, since he was using a condenser (360 degree sound) microphone as opposed to his clip on mic (uni-directional)
Some of the best studios and most highly regarded studios in the world don’t have acoustic treatment at all. The best part of making music is utilizing the room s available and finding spaces to make music.
What are those white panels you've lined your roll-up garage door with? Do they do a little soundproofing and also climate insulation?
Cool, thx for the tips man.
You're very welcome!
What specific glue and resin did you use? And the mounting stuff? Sorry for more pestering questions. I'm getting very close to making some of these myself so I've been trying to figure out things.
Great advice... have a question for you. I wish to make a vocal booth for doing voiceovers....no music. Space is 4ft x 8ft by height 6.5 ft. Is that ok. Does acoustic form work?
OMG. Thanks a lot. Maria Mizia from Brazil
Thank you !!
Can we use staples instead of glue to attatch the fabric? Can we mount with industrial Velcro and maintain a long lasting effect? Is this option better/equal to rockwool without the need for a wooden frame?
Hey thanks for the info very helpful..question though where and what brand of resin for edge hardening do i get/from? thanks
Allan Siegle trying to find out same answer. Let me know if you find it
I bought a water based polyurethane resin in our local paint store. I live in Sweden, so I'm not sure about the brand being available outside of Sweden, but the stuff I bought (which worked perfect) is Aqua ZAR Polyurethane "lacquer". Check a local paint store and just ask for any water based polyurethane resin.
Cheers!
So i have a question. I can’t hit holes in the wall, so are there options to not to? So like no glue or something, so that you could actually take them off?
bass response is gonna shake the shit out of that metal bar on the metal garage door opener and you'll get ringing
you can also use towels.. they work great.
This is awesome ! Just one question : Can we apply this for another type of room ? Like a really bigger room, to treat it acoustically. Thank you !
Thanks Frank! Yes, these panels will work well for any size room... Depending on your larger room, budget, and construction abilities, you could also think of doing a larger scale absorption...something like open stud wall (full length/height or just certain larger areas) in front of your shell (high mass sound barrier room exterior) and put dense insulation in the open studs and cover with larger rolls of acoustic fabric. This could potentially save a bunch of time and money on a larger room.
sorry NO ! that only works in old garages😂
what resin did he use?????? just bought panels & cloth, can't find what he used in the video
Thanks for the video I'm in the process of building my own studio my question is that stuff is cancerous can you just put breathable material on it without it being hazardous?