Kid Icarus - Is there a point to the second quest? Mike Matei Live
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ม.ค. 2023
- I played through Kid Icarus again, because I wanted to see what it was like. To my disappointment, it's pretty much nothing. Zelda and CastleVania 3 have actual Loops where the game is different. At least now I know what the deal is. I was hoping for a lot more.
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Hey Mike! Just wanted to share some tips. There really isn't a "2nd" run like in Zelda for starters. Just the same game over again. However there are multiple endings. In order to get the best ending screen you must have at least 4 of your stats maxed out (heart count, strength, endurance, all 3 special weapons aquired).
There is a method to getting the level up after the stages... there is an invisible skill score counter that adds and subtracts from said score based on your actions (-10 for each arrow shot, +100 for defeating an enemy that drops a small heart etc). The reported easiest stages to get these upgrades on are 1-2, 2-1, 2-2, and 3-1. Guides online can explain it more in depth to you, I'm looking at a guide on gamefaqs. Also, you can't haggle prices on shops with black backgrounds (known as the black markets)... it's not based on your strength to intimidate.
There are also guides online that can show you how to win all of the pots in the pot/treasure rooms. The guides tell you which pot to shoot first and by what item you are given, the guide tells you the order to shoot them in to win them all.
Anywho, sorry for rambling. Kid Icarus was like the 4th or 5th NES game my sister and I got as kids, which I'm glad we did because it soon became hard to find in stores, and has a special place in my heart to this day. My sister beat the game before I did, she was a few years older than me, but I still remember the day she took Medusa down for the first time. I beat it soon after, I just struggled in some of the dungeons. Damn Eggplant Wizards.
Have a good day, Mike!
Why, in gods name, did they have multiple endings in a game they KNEW would never be beaten?
@@euphan123 It is a challenging game in spots, mostly some tough jumps, and the dungeon boss levels can be tricky.
I beat it as a kid... was definitely not the hardest NES game. The final boss fight stage against Medusa is actually rather easy.
I'd still say Ghosts n Goblins, Castlevania, and Amagon are much harder.
I enjoyed Mike's Amagon stream recently.
He did a decent job but was also unable to beat it. I have yet to beat that one either, and I owned it.
As a fellow rambler, we spell it 'anyhoo.' Lolz. Good info though, good comment.
@@pbabiesinspace6112 thanks! I do ramble.
A lot of useless shit no one really cares about 😂
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I found the info interesting
LOL I can just imagine Erin walking in while Mike screams "THEY TOOK MY FREAKING PENCIIIIIILLLLLLL!!!!" & then she just immediately turns around & walks back out 🤣🤣
1987 was a crazy year for the NES: Zelda 1, Metroid 1, Kid Icarus, and Mike Tyson's Punch-Out
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They also have “Karate Kid”, “Section Z”, “Mega Man”, “Top Gun”, “3D Worldrunner”, “Castlevania” and more from 1987. Those were great times.
I guess people are really Stupid typical Dumb Americans this was released in 1986 🙄
@@Musicradio77Network well…2 out of 6 ain’t bad I guess
Contra? Double Dragon? R-Type? Dragon Quest II? Megami Tensei? Final Fantasy?
By the way, Zelda 1 came out in 1986. Zelda 2 came out in 1987.
Last Quest was for A Kiss
This time Pit wants some Sweet Palutena Goddess Hairpie down there.
2nd Quest just makes it easier to get the best ending.
It appears that the only point to the second quest is that it gives you the only chance to get the best ending to the game (since I think in the first quest, you only can get a maximum of four arrow strength and you need five arrow strength to get the best ending). Still does not excuse the pointlessness since either they should have made it that you can get the best ending on the first quest or they should have made the second quest more difficult to make it worth your while to get the best ending.
Games so far beaten this year:
-Ducktales 2 (NES) (hidden level found by getting all the map pieces)
-Ice Climber (NES)
And now Kid Icarus (though viewers are better off watching your first playthrough of this back in 2021 I think).
The TH-cam subscriptions tab works just fine. I always get to see when you post streams I miss and that's all that really matters. Turn off the browser history settings and stay away from the suggested tab and the home tab, TH-cam becomes A LOT more bearable.
Mike your You Tube shorts are extremely good! I just found all of them yesterday. Very cool how you show the difference in NES carts/boxes from different regions. All the nostalgia is great!!!!
Thanks. Sometimes I’m not sure what to do for them but I’ll try and make more.
@@mikematei Also, please do “Mike Tries” videos where you eat a retro cereal or something.
Fell asleep to this video and had a dream I met Mike Matei at an arcade. I started to ask my fanboy question and when I looked back to Mike he had left to go buy a hotdog at the food window. No joke.
What was the fan question?
@@mikematei Honestly don’t remember the question now, but you talking about a hotdog map must have bled into my dream, hahaha.
It would be cool to actually meet Mike and James. Hang out for a day playing video games. That would be something else. I grew up with the same type thoughts and memories with these games. The nes to n64 was probably the best generation in gaming. From the beginnings to the leap to the start of 3D gaming. There is alot that went on during that time frame as far as technological advances.
@@mikematei What do you put on your sausage?
Kid Icarus is a kind of game I need to play it more obviously the first Quest and like you're talking about to "Farm" by getting more heart points to get through the rest of the game. But I am interesting to see what the second Quest looks like anyway.
You should check out the "3D Classics: Kid Icarus" version one day, if you haven't already.
Was generally just improved all around, the controls were better, you had more freedom with aiming. They also added backgrounds to the levels.
Seems like it's an overlooked version of the game and it's probably hard to even play legally anymore. But it's the best version of the game by far imo. Maybe you mention it in the stream.
I remember when this was brand new. The good Ole days.
It's a 3 hours of video but feels much shorter. It's a joy to watch Mike playing games.
2:20:45 Your not winning me over on this game, Mike. 😂
2:17:44, You and those EGGPLANT wizards. It’s like watching Messi choke at the goal every time.
Ahman, just hearing the tune to this game takes me back and makes me wanna play this again. Good stuff, thx Mike! BTW, the difference between grinding and farming to me is this: farming is when I kill enemies over and over again to get more money or hearts like in Simon's Quest. Grinding is when I kill enemies over and over to increase my characters experience points like in an RPG game. That's the way I always looked at it.
i found the zelda 2nd quest by "accident", accident is in quotes because i intentionally named the profile zelda but had no idea it was a secret, back before the internet and it completely blew my mind...
makes me wonder how many people used "zelda" the first time they played it and thought that hard as shit was the default lol
Most people find an alternate game after an accident as well.
47:11 LOL @ Mike's reactions when he keeps getting turned into an eggplant
The great songs of Kid Icarus, who could forget “Grim Reaper Assembly Bugle” call and the “Here Comes the Bride” song when you die. Classics.
Love this. Keep posting more
We convinced ourselves we liked Cap'n Crunch while it cuts the roof of our mouth like candied glass.
It was really rough cereal
I dont even like it
Well it was either that or soggy cardboard, I mean Wheaties.
It was better soggy anyway. Shit I remember when Cracklin' Oat Bran used to be one of my fav cereals to let get soggy af & then it was like eating soft graham crackers or something. Was amazing! But they of course changed the damn formula & now it tastes like hard cardboard & won't absorb milk for shit. Hate when companies do that crap just for profits.
3:04:45 sounds like my Dad when I told him I wanted to be on the gymnastics team instead of play Football.
One of the first NES games I remember watching my dad play as a little kid. I tried it as a kid and couldn't get anywhere. lol Great times.
Yo mike you might think your just fuckn around doin this streaming shit but THANK YOU SO MUCH! for uploading these vids it helps me so much with my anxiety watching your stuff
It's honestly impressive how much value you got for your money with a mainline Nintendo title back in the NES days! A fully fleshed out game world along with a 2nd Quest to give even more replay value! Sure the games were very hard, and good luck to any kid actually figuring out even half of the mechanics to these games! But if they were somehow able to figure this stuff out, there is some serious value to be had there!
Sad part is the vast majority of kids in the 80's probably didn't know enough about these games to really get into them that deeply. Like I mean who actually knew about the 10th Enemy has the Bomb thing in Zelda & how it actually worked? & how many actually knew that nearly every screen in the game had a hidden staircase of some kind? I never knew about any of that stuff til I was MUCH older! Nintendo Power was basically required in order to get the most out of these games, along with some serious gamer skill!
It honestly feels like to me that these games were better suited for ppl that were of teenage age at the very least, cus how else would you be able to figure out half of this shit? Most kids weren't going to be smart enough to figure the more detailed stuff out!
This game always reminded me a lot of "Metroid".
There are Metroids late in the game. Its in this stream
It has a metroid type feel. Didn't those two games come out around the same time?
They were created by the same team at Nintendo and were either made at the same time or Kid Icarus was right after Metroid.
They are consider sister games made by the same team (just one guy at first) on the same metroid “engine”. They both have the same composer as well.
Mike also you gotta try the game Another Metroid 2 Remake.
It's a great game even if The 3Ds version exists
"I been streaming for seven years and all of a sudden here comes Mr. Yellow Mustard out of nowhere" Im fucking dying LOL
This is the story of Lucifer. Being an angel thrown into the pits of hell clawing his way back up to heaven to get revenge on God. Everything God throws at him to keep him there fails. Not even the angels in heaven are able to stop this monstrosity. So if you finish this game you made Lucifer overthrow God in the heavens, if you fail he gets stuck in hell and becomes lord of the hell.
I’m yelling “because it makes it replayable!” At the screen. We didn’t have DLC in the 80s. I beat Karate Kid in like 20-25 mins and felt bad I wasted my moms money.
I remember seeing this game as a kid and being blown away by it.
Mike I always thought that "farming" was for item drops and that "grinding" is for experience points.
This game has a lot of counters going behind the scenes that I only found out about this year. Very cool how they tied experience etc in.
Nice nice 👏 👏
Have you ever played rolling thunder nes man what a headache
Oracle of Seasons & Ages, pls!
I should someday for sure
Currently playing through Mega Man 9 again, and that would be another great one. Difficulty is on par with Mega Man 1.
I guess TH-cam doesn't want it to be like Windows Notifications where you get like 500 notifications at once because you subscribed to 500 different ppl. I can kind of understand that. Still, surely there's a better way.
I like Mike Matei's TH-cam videos when he plays arcade games and he should do that all the time because I like arcade games
Hey Mike, I know it's unlikely this comment will get a reply from you guys, but I just wanna know if James has ever played Kid icarus: Uprising. I know he at least knows about it since he always does a bit of research before an AVGN episode, but in case he hasn't I highly recommend it. It is widely considered by many to be one of the best games on the 3ds. Everything from the characters to the writing is really well done. Speaking of writing, the guy in charge of the English localization for the game was SNL and The Onion writer Mike Drucker. It really shows because the dialogue between characters is hilarious and filled with 4th wall breaks and references to other Nintendo games and even to the original Kid Icarus as you would imagine. The game is a level based shoot em' up/hack n slash, each chapter takes around 10-20 or so minutes to beat and there's 25 chapters in total so it's not that long of a game. Also the story takes place in real-time and doesn't interrupt the gameplay which I know is a real nitpick you and James have when it comes to modern games. At the very least, hopefully you can let's play it on your channel.
A boy and his blob speed run
If you don't have enough hearts to purchase something, you use the credit card to get it. It takes all your hearts and you don't gain any new heart and are unable to make any purchases until you get enough hearts to make up the difference. If you hit the pots in the right order, you will get a prize. The prize will be in the pot that the God of Poverty would normally be in. You simply have to break that pot last.
The wine, the togas, the red and white checkered floor in the dungeons and the eggplant dudes - this game makes me crave Italian food.
ICARUS FIGHTS MEDUSA ANGELS was in Classified Information.
in my mind, the difference between "farming" and "grinding".
grinding is farming xp.
farming is grinding for loot.
agree
one of my favorite dialogues came from a james and mike mondays, you and james were talking and in my memory, i altered it so it sounds like a quentin tarantino movie.
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Mike : "you know what the kids these days are calling it when you are refilling back up your shit?"
James : "they don't call it refilling back up your shit?"
Mike : "no man, they got them internet now and those MMORPGS. ."
James : "what they call it then?"
M : "Farming!"
J : "haha, what are they like, agricultural workers?"
M : "ya know what we called it? Refilling back up your shit!"
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i still remember some of the back and forths you guys had and i rewrite it in my mind that way.
"everything's a skull" is a classic
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M : "everything's a skull"
J : "example"
M : "what?"
J : "you everything's a skull. gimme an example"
M : "uh, dr wily's castle, that's a skull"
J : "gimme another"
M : "um. .you're a skull!"
j : " that's repugnant! you telling me i'm made up of itty bitty pieces of skull?!"
m : " yeah, undernead your face, there's a skull"
j : "well, if ya put it that way, we're all just skulls with skin and meat on them"
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honestly though, i think we're just brains, piloting bone mechs, covered in meat armor. but then maybe we aren't even the brain, we're like, electrical impulses created by the brain and hopefully one day, we can be transferred into a more durable shell.
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amazing that these random rants can inspire such deep philosophical thought,lol
Kid Icarus, awesome!
That pink and yellow color scheme reminded me of the underwater level of arcade jungle king.
Mike seriously thank you so much... Theres friends i know tat work that were borderline suicidal and you made them feel so much better!!!! Keep it up!!! You majke a difference i promise
I would be shocked if Nintendo Power never had any sort of a spread done for this game, with level maps & all that good stuff. I am almost positive they did at some point.
It was an early game I'm not sure that they did sadly.
They didn't. Kid Icarus came out in 1986 and Nintendo Power was first released in early 1988.
Grind is for XP farming is for money or specific items.
This really makes me want to boot up my emulator and play some Icarus
I didnt even know there was a second quest. I like this game more than most people. Top 25 nes game for me.
2:44:41 Thats a shitty boss, too. You just have to lazily follow him around taking pot shots?
2:26:56 - "This is like Super Pitfall!"
Indeed, it is Pitfall. I mean, the character's name is Pit, and he just fell...
This music just chills me to the bone. Brings back memories of the dead. I first played this every Saturday when my grandfather would babysit me and then we'd change to Zelda 1. I miss him so much. Life could not be any better back in those days. Your most stressful thing was your homework. I'd pay top dollar for a time machine. I'd explain the end criteria but it's a novel. Check out gtv Japan kid Icarus you'll understand everything perfectly. U shot too many arrows that missed and u lose points if they don't connect. Get with it man.
That Dora The Explorer reference tho! Lmao last reference I'd expect from Mike 😄
Watched your 2021 stream of this, but any Kid Icarus playthrough is worth a repeat.
Kid Icarus was 30 years ahead of the egg plant meme curve.
The Gameboy version is slightly better imo
I believe it
Since this shares big parts of the metroid engine, the codes for both of the games should be analyzed for parts that is in the games code from the other game but is unused. Maybe there could be some really interesting things from the other game with a slight mod if that code is messed around with.
1:44:00 I like the pause music too.
2nd quest makes getting best ending easier, that's all it does
You can see best ending on 1st play trough with excessive grinding, or get it for 2nd play through most of the time (requirements is 999 hearts, 5 weapon strength 5 health segments and all weapons)
His description of how TH-cam subscriptions work is spot on
I'd say that Stage 2 bouncy dragon boss would be significantly harder if he simply sped up the more damage he takes. It would get hectic towards the end! That alone would make that boss far tougher and far more interesting.
I think the point of the second loop is just god mode. It's so hard in the beginning, I think they expected the reward of wrecking ass on everything to be enough. Most players who get there, it won't be on a first attempt, they'd have lots of failures to make up for emotionally. I mean that, or it was the lazy person's job and they were meant to up the difficulty. It's also early enough in the console market that it could be an arcade carryover from how they made those games, just an automatic choice by default.
I get it but a god mode run takes the challenge away. So not my thing.
@@mikematei Oh of course not. Hey I was just watching a random Sega Genesis stream and saw you play Stormlord, the Viking style puzzle platformer, and I tried it and think you should give it a better chance. It has elements of Ghosts and Goblins mixed with something like The Lost Vikings, I don't think the person who suggested it thought it was bad. You have to solve your way to rescue all the fairies in a short time limit and deal with enemies and one hit deaths. It's pretty difficult. Oh and the controls can be changed in the menu. Sorry if you already have gone back to it and this was a wasted effort.
I love nes games that are hard though (you know not Battletoads hard) but games where you start off weak and build strength. This and Zelda are my favorite types of games.
The 3d remake of this on the 3ds was pretty cool. That was the last time I played through this.
What's annoying too are the dungeon items. The map isn't very helpful and the pencil and torch only show a path where you have traveled too and a flashing box lol. I also think it also starts marking the map after the purchase so you wouldn't know where in relation you were from the start of the dungeon compared to the store was? I guess one would have to draw a map? Tip the sand areas restore energy though. I think the idea though with the whole map thing is the dungeon is supposedly dark and you need the torch to see the map. Everything is bright looking though on screen so who knows? Zelda reference- in some rooms of dungeons the rooms are dark.
They ought to remaster this game and fix all these things. Imagine actually progressing thru and only seeing your way thru with just the light of the torch and reflecting off of the wall.
This eggplant curse is worse than getting cursed in Dark Souls. That eggplant is pretty huge though.
I think there is a proaction replay code that make you invisible to eggplants. I believe it makes the sound but it has no effect and you can keep on trudging thru.
What is the break music? The 2nd song preferably some tell me plz!!!
When i use youtube i click the subscription tab and it only shows me people i sub to. I have never had an issue.
I don't know how old i was when i played it as a kid. I guess something about 6 - 8 y.o. everytime the grim reaper freaked out with his music i ran away in panic 😅. My dear mum i was playing this great game with always had to call me back in when he was gone.
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Farming yields items; grinding yields experience.
LOL are you sure that's Coffee you were drinking? At around the hour mark you started sounding like raving lunatic drunk man lol.
is there a weapon in any of the maze stores that stops the eggplant wizards before they can throw eggplants?
Yes. Great video. I love Kid Icarus.
Thank u entertaining us Mike .👍
Farming is looking for a specific item. Grinding is killing enemies for experience.
2:05:30 Might be Mario 2 7-1 and 2:07:03 reminds me of the beginning of that area
LOL that's not what that guy was trying to say. He meant that it's kind of silly to be mad at a 40 year old game for sucking, as if it isn't supposed to suck when it's that old. I think what he means is a lot of games back then were primitive & weren't worried about 2nd quests & doing things right & this & that. Zelda was kind of an exception for the time, Nintendo sometimes gave us something truly special for the time, but that certainly wasn't the norm back then.
Reminds me of metroid a lot too! Not just the graphics but also the music.
I like stuff🤗
Awesome........ always fun watching ya
I wonder if you can grind Hearts at the beginning of each new world and get a big health upgrade? I am getting very curious about this game watching it now. Will have to do some research. Would like to actually give this game a real shot, it looks more fun than I gave it credit for!
Health upgrade is based on your score, to get max health you need like 200k points
I think after 999 hearts it stops counting, but if you keep collecting it goes higher than that. If that makes any sense. (I think that's if you have the credit card). After the score intervals doesn't he change colors per strength upgrade?
Mike! It's Mario Brothers 🤣🤣 that was me
The eggplant guys were a mess
loved/barely played this as a kid. so different. this channel ages like a fine... game. never stop.
I watched this twitch stream live but I think something was wrong with the chat. I don't think I was being ignored, I believe my comments were never seen, for some reason. I've heard it's happened to others.
Does anyone know what his streaming schedule is? I never get to catch his streams live but I'd really like to but I don't know when he streams and on his twitch channel he doesn't have anything posted.
Read my profile on twitch.
that leaping lava snake sucks so bad
Yeah it could be a lot better
Yes u can finally go into the first level god's room. (First door when u start) good code is
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Bro, whoever put in the EGGPLANT PUNISHMENT really wanted this game to fail… or maybe it’s a 1000 year old Japanese poem that we uncultured swines haven’t bothered to translate and read. 🍆
Icarus fights medusa angels
Hi Mike, You ever gonna play Metroid Rogue Dawn NES hack Live? I'd love to watch that man, me and my cousin beat it a couple years ago and its a masterpiece
What would Faxanadu? He'd Fax Anna dude! 😅
Hey Mike, you ever play Gunman Clive? It's a western themed retro looking run and gun, i think it's on the switch. could be a cool stream if you're into it.
I played this when I was about 5-6. I only ever got to the stage 1-2 once.
1-4 when I was a kid that's about it. We rented this a few times that's about it. As an adult I guess had more patience and finished the game. Just as hard as it was then. I always thought this was tough game. I suppose because of the long levels and if you didn't have any feathers and fall it's over.
I played this when I was 4 and I beat it 69 times.
Mustard Dude is my hero
Any chance you would stream bosconian?
I’ll always come back to old arcade games here and there. Especially as they add more to the MiSTeR
I don't like the eggplant wizards. Those guys are sometimes hard to avoid. It's often better to take a hit from them if you have enough health than get with those projectiles.
If you would happen to get to a boss being eggplanted, would even be possible to beat the bosses? If you had enough freed angels? I'm not sure as I hardly ever have like ten by the time I get to that point.
The angels dont help much at all.
@Mike Matei I know it only takes like one hit and that is it, in future play thru I honestly don't bother collecting hammers or freeing them. Doesn't seem like it does any good.
My favorite game😊👍🏾
Is it? Nice! What is your favorite part about it?
@@mikematei Power ups👍🏾
This one and GB one are ok, but Uprising on 3DS is best Kid Icarus game of them all imo. Too bad it never got a sequel.
I rented this game back in the day. Played it, got my butt kicked, stopped playing. Too tough for me.
There is a projectile attack in Amagon when you are the big muscle character.You have to press the select button to use it.Trying the game again with using that is my next game stream suggestion 👍🦉
3:03:41 More like NG minus, amirite?