Fideo ddiddorol iawn! / A fascinating video! Daliwch ati! / Keep at it! Coming from Blaenau Gwent, I'm very interested in the Silures, but I've never really gone out of my way to research them thoroughly. Have you thought about making a general video about them? That would be very informative for a lot of people. As regards the name Silures, Geiriadur Prifysgol Cymru says only: Llwyth Brythonig a drigai yn ne-ddwyrain Cymru yng nghyfnod y Rhufeiniaid ("A Brythonic tribe who lived in southeast Wales in the Roman period."). Wiktionary gives this etymolgy: "[Silures] Borrowed from Ancient Greek Σίλυρες (Sílures), of Celtic origin, possibly Proto-Celtic *sīlom (“seed; stock, lineage”)." When Brythonic became Old Welsh, one of the major phonetic changes was that initial *s became h, e.g. haf ("summer") from Proto-Celtic *samos. Sīlom would have given hil ("lineage") in Welsh, and is found in phrases like yr hil ddynol ("the human race"). Since the Siures thought of themselves as different to the surrounding 'tribes', could their name have meant something like 'human beings', cf. the native American tribe, the Cheyenne, who called themselves Tsistsistas (“human beings”). Just a thought.... Even though we know that classical writers, like Tacitus, noted that the Silures looked different to the other inhabitants of Britain, there's no mention of the language they spoke. They probably spoke British Celtic, which some believe was very close to Irish Celtic at the time, and this would tie in with the suggested connection to Proto-Celtic *sīlom . Italic Latin and the Celtic languages have no difficultiy differentiating between /k/ and /s/, cf. W. castell ("castle") from L. castellum; W. sant ("saint"), L. sānctus.
Ah, the boys. The scourge of that damn Roman army. Seriously though, I’ve often sat inside what’s left of their old fort on Mynydd y Gear, just a few mounds of earth now sadly, wondering what life must have been like for our Ancestors back then. Tough people, out of necessity, and surprisingly good artisans. May The Gods bless them. Nice video, Diolch yn fawr iawn.
Just looked at Silures on Wikipedia and it says that 'silures' is a word of Celtic origin. 'It is 'perhaps derived from the Common Celtic root 'silo' meaning 'seed''. It goes on to say that ' Words derived from this root in Celtic languages, e.g. Old Irish 'sil', Welsh 'hil', are used to mean bloodstock, descendants, lineage, offspring as well as 'seed' in the vegetable sense. Silures might, therefore, mean 'kindred stock', perhaps referring to a tribal belief in descent from an originating ancestor'. I always remember being told that we were the 'pure' Welsh. Perhaps that's where our self-belief comes from.
The Silures, according to Roman sources, were the only tribe to defeat the invading army twice, giving them enough pause to concentrate on the area to the east for a while - hence the well-developed settlements in the Gloucester/Cirencester/Bath area across the Severn. Eventually sufficient reinforcements were assembled to conquer the area, but the fierceness of the tribe, combined with the heavy woodland and - as you say - 'Balkan' nature of the Valleys landscape definitely made them think.
tx for the link to Archwilio, very useful. Ive just finished a google earth kml file of Drove and roman archeology in Cymru. it might be of use to you?
Yeah that would be interesting! I have no imediate ideas for videos about the Silures. Going forward i'll be planning on making my content better. I may even take months to make well researched videos.
@@mrwelshmun me too, i dont post regularly, i spend more time on my map. Ive sent an email to your gmail account from my hotmail account to exchange details. i dont want to post my personal info online.
I'm not sure about that, my understanding is that until the Normans came to Wales between 1066 and 1400ish people in Wales used the traditional naming system. Where, you'd be named "son of" or "daughter of". So an example would be Aled ap Rhys o(Aled son of Rhys) or Gwen ferch Rhys (Gwen daughter of Rhys). When the Normans started documenting the people inhabiting the land in Census' etc, people were required to have a surname for the records, so people either took on their fathers first name as their surname or the name of their lord on the land. So it can be if your father was William ap Gwyn, you'd take on his first name as your last and become Aled Williams for example. Another thing that happened was, people adapted the traditional "Ap" into new surnames so, Ap Rhys became Price. Ap Howell became Powell. Ab Harry became Barry etc etc etc. So to answer your question, I don't think that Williams as a name goes back that far in Wales. It's an adaptation of Guillem in Norman French as I understand. We do have a similar Welsh version of the name, Gwilym. I hope that helps :)
Silurian is from the Old Cymric Sili ( Chaste) Wrgi was word for Otter in Old Cymric Dwrgi Water dog, The Silurians had literally dozens of Hilllforts in what is now South Wales, but you have to rememeber that they were also in England which in those days was actually all Cymric as was Britain
Fideo ddiddorol iawn! / A fascinating video! Daliwch ati! / Keep at it!
Coming from Blaenau Gwent, I'm very interested in the Silures, but I've never really gone out of my way to research them thoroughly. Have you thought about making a general video about them? That would be very informative for a lot of people.
As regards the name Silures, Geiriadur Prifysgol Cymru says only: Llwyth Brythonig a drigai yn ne-ddwyrain Cymru yng nghyfnod y Rhufeiniaid ("A Brythonic tribe who lived in southeast Wales in the Roman period."). Wiktionary gives this etymolgy: "[Silures] Borrowed from Ancient Greek Σίλυρες (Sílures), of Celtic origin, possibly Proto-Celtic *sīlom (“seed; stock, lineage”)." When Brythonic became Old Welsh, one of the major phonetic changes was that initial *s became h, e.g. haf ("summer") from Proto-Celtic *samos. Sīlom would have given hil ("lineage") in Welsh, and is found in phrases like yr hil ddynol ("the human race"). Since the Siures thought of themselves as different to the surrounding 'tribes', could their name have meant something like 'human beings', cf. the native American tribe, the Cheyenne, who called themselves Tsistsistas (“human beings”). Just a thought....
Even though we know that classical writers, like Tacitus, noted that the Silures looked different to the other inhabitants of Britain, there's no mention of the language they spoke. They probably spoke British Celtic, which some believe was very close to Irish Celtic at the time, and this would tie in with the suggested connection to Proto-Celtic *sīlom . Italic Latin and the Celtic languages have no difficultiy differentiating between /k/ and /s/, cf. W. castell ("castle") from L. castellum; W. sant ("saint"), L. sānctus.
Ah, the boys. The scourge of that damn Roman army. Seriously though, I’ve often sat inside what’s left of their old fort on Mynydd y Gear, just a few mounds of earth now sadly, wondering what life must have been like for our Ancestors back then. Tough people, out of necessity, and surprisingly good artisans. May The Gods bless them. Nice video, Diolch yn fawr iawn.
Very interesting thank you , keep the videos coming!
@@elainehazel4854 thank you so much! I hope to continue as often as I can
Just looked at Silures on Wikipedia and it says that 'silures' is a word of Celtic origin. 'It is 'perhaps derived from the Common Celtic root 'silo' meaning 'seed''. It goes on to say that ' Words derived from this root in Celtic languages, e.g. Old Irish 'sil', Welsh 'hil', are used to mean bloodstock, descendants, lineage, offspring as well as 'seed' in the vegetable sense. Silures might, therefore, mean 'kindred stock', perhaps referring to a tribal belief in descent from an originating ancestor'. I always remember being told that we were the 'pure' Welsh. Perhaps that's where our self-belief comes from.
The Silures, according to Roman sources, were the only tribe to defeat the invading army twice, giving them enough pause to concentrate on the area to the east for a while - hence the well-developed settlements in the Gloucester/Cirencester/Bath area across the Severn. Eventually sufficient reinforcements were assembled to conquer the area, but the fierceness of the tribe, combined with the heavy woodland and - as you say - 'Balkan' nature of the Valleys landscape definitely made them think.
@@jungatheart6359 yeah, they're definitely an intruigung tribe that need to be more explored
tx for the link to Archwilio, very useful. Ive just finished a google earth kml file of Drove and roman archeology in Cymru. it might be of use to you?
Yeah that would be interesting! I have no imediate ideas for videos about the Silures. Going forward i'll be planning on making my content better. I may even take months to make well researched videos.
@@mrwelshmun me too, i dont post regularly, i spend more time on my map. Ive sent an email to your gmail account from my hotmail account to exchange details. i dont want to post my personal info online.
it bounced back? but i see your online at the mo, did you get my facebook link?
@@terrabytesarcheology I don't think the email is live anymore. I haven't used it in years
It would be hard to subdue people in that terrian. Invaders probably never left forts unless in numbers.
Is the Williams clan in this group ? I heard they came from iberia
I'm not sure about that, my understanding is that until the Normans came to Wales between 1066 and 1400ish people in Wales used the traditional naming system. Where, you'd be named "son of" or "daughter of". So an example would be Aled ap Rhys o(Aled son of Rhys) or Gwen ferch Rhys (Gwen daughter of Rhys). When the Normans started documenting the people inhabiting the land in Census' etc, people were required to have a surname for the records, so people either took on their fathers first name as their surname or the name of their lord on the land. So it can be if your father was William ap Gwyn, you'd take on his first name as your last and become Aled Williams for example. Another thing that happened was, people adapted the traditional "Ap" into new surnames so, Ap Rhys became Price. Ap Howell became Powell. Ab Harry became Barry etc etc etc. So to answer your question, I don't think that Williams as a name goes back that far in Wales. It's an adaptation of Guillem in Norman French as I understand. We do have a similar Welsh version of the name, Gwilym. I hope that helps :)
Silurian is from the Old Cymric Sili ( Chaste) Wrgi was word for Otter in Old Cymric Dwrgi Water dog, The Silurians had literally dozens of Hilllforts in what is now South Wales, but you have to rememeber that they were also in England which in those days was actually all Cymric as was Britain
@@Garwfechan-ry5lk ah that's cool. I had no idea about otter.