The Origins of the Phoenicians (DNA)
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- The Phoenicians emerged in the Northern Levant around 1800 BCE and by the 9th century BCE had spread their culture across the Mediterranean Basin, establishing trading posts, and settlements in various European Mediterranean and North African locations.
Despite their widespread influence, what is known of the Phoenicians comes from what was written about them by the Greeks and Egyptians.
In this study, we investigate the extent of Phoenician integration with the Sardinian communities they settled. We present 14 new ancient mitogenome sequences from pre-Phoenician (~1800 BCE) and Phoenician (~700-400 BCE) samples from Lebanon (n = 4) and Sardinia (n = 10) and compare these with 87 new complete mitogenomes from modern Lebanese and 21 recently published pre-Phoenician ancient mitogenomes from Sardinia to investigate the population dynamics of the Phoenician (Punic) site of Monte Sirai, in southern Sardinia.
Our results indicate evidence of continuity of some lineages from pre-Phoenician populations suggesting integration of indigenous Sardinians in the Monte Sirai Phoenician community.
We also find evidence of the arrival of new, unique mitochondrial lineages, indicating the movement of women from sites in the Near East or North Africa to Sardinia, but also possibly from non-Mediterranean populations and the likely movement of women from Europe to Phoenician sites in Lebanon. Combined, this evidence suggests female mobility and genetic diversity in Phoenician communities, reflecting the inclusive and multicultural nature of Phoenician society.
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Dionysus the Thrax wrote: the Phoenicians were neighbors of the barbarians and they did trade. Perhaps when the Greeks spoke in early times about then Phoenicians, becouse they gave them this name, they ment the Philistines. What we yet now about the Phoenicians is that they didnt founded colonies like the Greeks but commercial branches. So we cannot find a Phoenician dna in there colonies, whereas greek dna in the greek colonies. This shows that Phoenicians colonies were populated form the people around them.
I thought it was very intriguing! Seeing a culture that became dominant not by conquest(though I'm sure there were some instances), but largely through economic ties, create a syncretic society with other inhabitants is fascinating. I wish we knew more about Carthage and the Phoenicians in general.
To Op - Not all the cannanites nor the Syrians at all were not black. Please stop it with this AfroCentric History taught by Guilty white liberal college Professors making everything about race or a social disorder. Its offensive to the ones that know 90% of what they teach has a ulterior motive related to race and not Facts!! FACTS DO NOT HAVE TIME WITH YOUR FEELING - JORDAN PETERSON.
UN-SUBBING!
@@tyranosaurusrex8781 The Phoenicians were a Caucasian Aryan descent! So were originally Iranians and lots of Pharoahs were Caucasian as in King Tut and his family had red hair and so may more had a Caucasian descent but you want to be politically correct and lie and place Africans slap dab in the middle east! Heck you might as well make all the Turkish people and Persians and people from India and China so you don't hurt anyone's feelings! Let's change facts that have been the same for 1000s of years to be politically correct and turn this channel to the AfroCentric was the first in Every country!! Disgusting!
@@Yeshua___SonofGod bye felicia.
Nick, I love your channel, DW Draffin, I love your narration.
You do a great voice over👌🏼
My wife who is from Cagliari in Sardinia, has X2b as her mitochondrial haplogroup. This was a very interesting study and it has helped me to better understand her possible ancient origins. Thank you.
what part of Sardegna ?
I am from India and I trace my ancestry From ancient Macedonia that is one part of Greece and the French island of Corsica s capital city belong s to my ancestry how this happened i don't know?
@@ghanvedsingh8946 Atlantes , Mediterranean race some people in India part of it
@@robertolang9684 I would note that “race” (I prefer to speak just of statistical modes in the distribution of some apparent phenotypical features) is the least informative aspect of human ancestry. The haplotype method works for any time depth, but the anthropological features can be changed in a couple of generations.
I’m X2b4 and I have small % of Sardinian in my dna report.
Small request-- in the future, could you specify whether you are speaking of yDNA and mtDNA clades? It was confusing at times. Even a comment on the screen would help. ( I am yDNA I-L11949, mtDNA H7D2A)
@Black Lesbian Poet ❤️
Nice seeing people talking and having disscation about genetic and discussion history of ancient Civilization
Appreciate your support!
Discussion? Dissociation?
Dissociation really? I don't get that impression at all.
@@vdoniel I meant discussion sorry
Why?
So now, finally, we are starting to see genetics come to the fore in studying these ancient populations.
Prepare for a revolution of thought.
And it still isn't bringing much clarity
@@ryrilo5078 Even with DNA evidence, there are still people that only want to ' pull ' incredible ancient history only towards their own, selfishly. It's quite obvious now that so many ancient civilizations were basically a mixture of different, " races " .. Nothing about, " racial superiority " amongst those ancient peoples, thankfully.
Yep. They were white.
Man , i am really intrigued by this podcast ..tanx much
Very interesting nice presentation.Thankyou
Nice and all, but a link to the article would have been appreciated and appropriate for sure.
Open your eyes, it's in the description
You had me at necropoli.
This rolling SAMA Drum Theme ... very impressive ... needs more cowbell ...
Always more cowbell...
You mean “more auroch bell” don’t you?
Lol!
😊 wow thank you so much! This is really awesome!
It would be nice to have a link to the article this video is apparently paraphrasing.
Very technical with lots to digest. What more can you ask for?
I am happy to see your comment! Have not seen anything from you in a while. I hope you and yours are well!
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Thank you very much. And same to you. I always watch your videos, and appreciate the hard work that goes into your presentation.
@@KeithShuler means the world mate!
The truth ! And nothing but the truth , which they fell short of .
Wow, wonderful
@8:08 never in my life have I heard of "druze" before until now I had to use subtitles to spell that correctly and google search that too
@Judy wicker what is kaballah? and Jesus couldn't have been Jruse they believe in reincarnation Jesus went to heaven
how about this, the ark of the covenant is in a church in ethiopia. google that
I’m a Lebanese Druze
I think the 'integration of european women' is more realistically described as 'the human trafficking of foreign wives' but I get that you can't conclude that from the DNA alone
That's what I was thinking.
No no no its mObiLiTy
No, you really can't. There have always been war brides and sailor's wives and they weren't always slaves or captives. Lots of American soldiers brought brides home from WW2, Korea, and Vietnam and almost none of them were victims of human trafficking - many of them were just women in hard circumstances who saw a ticket to a better life in a less war-ravaged country. Or women who found romance with a foreign soldier when their own young men were off somewhere else due to the war - there was a lot of that in England in WW2.
I think that is probably true. My H1e1a6 has been in the Stuttgart area back to the 1500's. Upstream H1e1a in an archaic DNA is Germany Middle Neolithic H1e1a, Esperstedt, near Hanover. It appears to be found in Scandinavia also. In my family the women of this line are midwives/herbalists.
I agree! However, I would note that female genetic mobility always was one of the distinct traits of the entire humankind. Also, I would note that there was no strict boundary between “trafficking” and the other mechanisms of mobility. Don't you think so? Whatever it is, I think you're quite right, I would consider the attempts to draw a positive conclusion as flawed.
This isn't really about the origins of the Phoenicians. It's like talking about the Spanish in the New World and calling the video Origins of the Spanish.
So true
Yep
Thanks!
Well done!!!
No mention of the last study published in CELL Mai 28 ,2020. The study shows for example the predominance of the male haplogroup J1 especially in the excavation of the Beirut's burials. And yet , according to your video J1c is the most ancient in Sardinia.
This is interesting to me as my sister had her dna tested and it contained Phoenician dna. I wondered how that could be possible because I thought as the Phoenician race no longer existed, how could a comparison be made. I now understand that it can be traced through other lineages.
I recently started an ancestry search. (I'm British btw) and on the maternal side my sisters and I go back to Ireland with a French (Norman), great, great grandfather.
We are all dark haired with green/blue eyes and 3 out of 6 girls have rhesus neg blood. Not sure what haplotype that would be.
Fascinating stuff. Thank you.
Phoenician dna ? ????? how they could match your Phoenician dna ? they match you the Lebanese but even the Lebanese of today got admixtures that the Phoenician did not had at they time
(Just to be clear, race is genetic and ethnicity is cultural.) There was once an ethnic group called the Liby-Phonecians. Libyans mixed with Phoenician colonists from Tyre, through intermarriage. It wasn't just Carthage, but Lepsis Magna, Sirte, and Cyrenica sites where they set up colonies and intermingled. There was really no such thing as racism back in the day... People thought skin color was interesting like horses were interesting if different colors. Ethnicism - was rampant however, which is prejudice against someone's culture. Liby Phoenicians liked each other and intermarried because of cultural kinship. We would assume that Libyans of today like the Lebanese, might have traces of Phoenician DNA. In reality however... Phoenician DNA would have scattered all over Europe - because the Romans sold the Carthage Holocaust survivors into slavery. Quite possible many Carthaginian slaves ended up in Britain.
Edit: It's also quite possible phonecian DNA ended up in Britain - because of the crusades. Just like American GI's brought back Japanese wives, crusaders sometimes brought back women from the Middle East.
@@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking Very interesting, thank you. We know that a recent ancestor E. Jacques ended up In Ireland from France but we don't know the year because the records don't go that far back. He married an Irish girl Brigid and they moved from Boyle to Manchester, England, just before the famine of 1845 (I think that;s right?)
I doubted the Phonecian trace myself knowing they no longer exist but I can see now how people moved around due to wars and must and of course they would become absorbed into the community eventually leaving traces of origins in dna.
@@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking The original Phoenicians were Egyptians!!!!
Luna- Umbra...The Phoenicians originally were Egyptians,and there is no such thing as Phoenician DNA.The Bible says Phoenicians,Canaanites,and Sidonians are descendants Ham .father of the black race.Does your sister fit that mold?
Who do I contact to get my DNA tested and compare against this study?
Nobody lol. Why?
Is there any clue excluding for sure that people from levant known as phoenicians were Sardinian expats?
Not here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherden
Sardinians, were descended from Bell- Beaker culture, and were thought to be one of the Sea Peoples who brought about the end of the Bronze Age and settled in the Levant, intermingling with local, peoples
Linguistic, for one. If they came from Sardinia they left no trace of it in their language.
My haplogroup and Mtn DNA is U3 and I am a Greek Cypriot. I have been assigned Druze heritage, and European.
Ζήτω η Ελλάδα ⚡⚡🤚🏼🇬🇷
What is Druze? Druze heritage?
@@Santino369The Druze are an ethnoreligious community in the levant which have been genetically isolated for almost a millennia.
The latest study revealed very close genetic similarities of the Phoenicians and Judeans/Israelis! They belong to the same peoples - Cana'anites!
Can you put a link to the study?
They are Canaanites. And Canaan are black people. He is a son of "HAM". So I don't understand all this whitewashing of History.
@sassy pethel Maybe rubbish to you but not to me! It was never ment for you! Why do you think is the reason they can't show the ancient manuscript. Quite simple, they distroyed the books in the Library in Alex. EGYPT. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SEED OF JAPHETH. Has nothing to do with the Roman made up blonde hair, blue eyes, pale skin Jesus, who was really Leonard's boyfriend, called Cesare Borgia. It is not about the happy clappy person they call Jesus, but about a serious dark brown man, (the Bible discribes him in Daniel 7.9 and read Revelation) He that is coming back with swords for Judgement on the earth. Have you not noticed the changes going on? If not, continue, just like in the days if Noah.
I thought the Canaanites were red haired, at least the giant ones.
Red hair , hairy like an animal
@@oliviamonteque6407 stop making everything black
S.A.M.A. = you are the best. Thanks for all the effort put into videos. And still prayers for Nick's family
And what about the Sumerian cuneiform on that bronze plate of the Phoenicians?
Phoenicians were named from the color red or crimson, not purple.
I thought it was purple too. Tyrian purple. What makes you say red?
No the were purple aka black. It’s was written over and over by Homar and the Bible even says canninites came from Kushite. Why is the everyone losing about the obvious. The can’t enslave there own origins. Stop the lies 😂
@@Johnsun12 Purple is not "aka black". Black is black and purple is purple. In fact there's etymological connection of Phoenicia also with red. So black has nothing to do with anything in the name.
@@CharFred-vr1ti purple is closer to dark skin than white. Many Africans have a Moron purple complexion. Homar said it not me.
My DNA traces back to Sardinia, which has a high concentration of Rh Negative blood. My mother had Rh Negative blood, and was Welsh. I wonder if there is a connection?
There is, I thought Welsh- like Sardinians have higher EEF DNA.
@@jacobmurray4785 What is EEF DNA?
EEF = Early European Farmers. A Neolithic ("New Stone Age") population formed after the earliest farmers from Western Anatolia (Turkey) migrated into Europe. The EEF DNA admixture derives primarily from Anatolian Neolithic Farmers (ANF) with various amounts of indigneous Western Hunter-Gatherer (WHG) ancestry, typically less than 10%, although it can be higher in populations around the "edges" of Europe where WHG groups may have adopted farming rather than being almost completely replaced by EEF groups.
In turn EEF populations were almost entirely replaced by incoming Indo-European (or "Yamnaya") DNA lineages (especially males) during the Bronze Age -except on Sardinia apparently, according to the genetic evidence.
Any modern DNA ancestry test showing small amounts of "Sardinian" DNA is actually showing that IE genetic lineages did not reach or come to dominate the Islands ancestry. This likely means that "Sardinian" equals Early European Farmer (EEF) ancestry. It could also be that EEF ancestry managed to "hang-on" around the quieter and harder to reach regions of Europe just like WHG ancestry did.
@@simonmoorcroft1417 This does nothing to explain the higher concentration of Rh Negative DNA among select groups, or anomalies within those groups such as the Basque language being unlike any other.
@@alanschaub147 I was addressing Jacob's question about EEF ancestry. Replying to your questions I would say that DNA ancestry, language and culture are separate issues which can be connected or related, but not always. For example most modern Turks speak a language that originated in Siberia, likely close to Lake Baikal. Yet only 23% of modern Turks have "Turkic" DNA. Most modern Turks have an indigenous "Anatolian" genetic ancestry which dates back to at least the Neolithic yet their ancestors have spoken many languages (Hittite, Luwian, Hurrian, Persian, Greek, etc) and believed themselves to be part of many cultures and "races" over the years. Language and culture change frequently as new cultural elites arrive. Mass migrations do leave genetic traces throughout populations, where as small but important cultural elites often have a high linguistic and cultural impact but a very low genetic one.
Using your own ancestry as a case I would say that the Sardinian heritage shown in your DNA reflects a trace amount of EEF ancestry that has passed down to you. Their is also clear genetic evidence that populations in Western Britain (Wales and Cornwall) retained higher amounts of genetic heritage from "earlier" waves of migrants than for example those living to the east in lowland England. This is believed to reflect the retainment of higher amounts of Neolithic farmer ancestry (EEF) as less people of Steppe Indo-European ancestry reached the periphery of the British mainland as they arrived from mainland Europe. The same could be true of the Basque population. They may represent a small isolated population in a remote location that strove to retain its cultural and linguistic identity and refused to intermarry with "foreigners" and thus accidentally retained a unique genetic heritage.
A word of warning though. Rh negative ancestry may reflect retained EEF ancestry but it may also reflect the "founder effect" and "interbreeding". The founder effect is when one individual (usually a high status male) is the the direct genetic ancestor of much of a population groups elite and in turn its entire population. I am sure you understand what interbreeding is. Combine the effect of small population with limited genetic diversity in a remote location with a prohibition against intermarrying with outside genetic populations and you get a high occurrence of specific genetic traits and often hereditary genetic dieseases. We see this in modern population groups. I hope this answered some of your questions?
I think ,instead of or on top of mitohondrial MTDNA , a paternal Y chromosome DNA could also be very interesting plus its easier to track than MtDNA. A much clearer picture of the movements of the population as well as a composition / female ,male would also help. What do you ,the reader ,think ?
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My last name is Cartagena, "New Carthage". I'm Black and Puerto Rican and my 23andme shows Sardinia, North Africa, the Mediterranean, Ashkenazi Jewish, and so on. Cool thing is it showed some Pakistani too, lol.
You are very mixed
Yes, Carthagininan influence increased racial mixing, contributing to ancient Spanish lineages. Southern Spain has more Carthaginian (Phoenician) lineage than northern Spain.
@@yoroshikuonegaishimasu8649 would you prefer someone be inbred?
@@jewelscoop3570 being pure does not mean inbred. I suppose to you a bastard unnatural mongrel is the epitome of human evolution. That's what the world needs more confused individuals.
I also show a very small percentage of Pakistani, but I’m mostly Swedish and Danish then Irish.
Testing DNA from1800BC & 400BC? Wasn't the height of the Phonecian sea faring trade circa 1400bc -900bc?
from the time of Phoenicians Hittites my branch of people took of from Anatolia to Balkans , where they admixed with the illyrians Etruscan , celtas , embroiled in a few century's of sex and wars and in iron age conquered all women from north Italy to Ireland and was sex big time until the Romans decided to spoil it since then we never been Phoenicians again and become celticas enslaved to our days
I have mtDNA match in a Phoenician burial ground on Sardenia. H1e1a6 C150T.
Thank you. You have a great voice. This is educational. My paternal grandpa was born in Lisbon Portugal 215 years ago today.
I have a small percentage from Sardinia.
The males and females are why we are all here.
My Haplogroup is U5b2b on my maternal. My daddy's Haplogroup R-z209
I am 70. My mother made me believe her husband wasn't my daddy. Today, I learned what to call it. BLOOD LINE TRAUMA.
I am working on religious trauma.
My paternal grandmother' maternal line goes into DAVID FAMILY. I have read of Jewish Genealogist wrote that from one man in the earlier ancestors is a direct decendant of KING DAVID.
Now, I would like to know if Sardinia was in his family.
DNA from who from where did they find an ancient Phoenician tomb with bones???
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They find bones and mummies all the time. They recently did DNA analysis of a bunch of Egyptian mummies. The DNA in the bones is gone but they can extract intact dna from the inside of teeth. They settled some long standing disputes about the ethnicity of ancient Egyptians this way.
They worshipped synagogue of Satan and sacrificed babies. Their bloodlines run the world today
@@lookoutforchris Of course there are Egyptian mummies...the Egyptians buried their dead. But the Phoenicians, Greeks and Romans practice cremation. That's why Pompeii was such a big deal - there almost no examples of non-Egyptian civilized Mediterranean remains from that era that we can study.
We have a lot of them in Lebanon we are there descendants
Very interested to see the reaction of the triggered communtiy on this one.
It has already began, lol.
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 The phoenicians are ancestors of the Irish.
@@jjg2243 Based on what?
Do you have a video with Israeli and Judean DNA?
My understanding is,that testing Mtdna /mitochondrial DNA,which is the female line,is not the best way to investigate the movement and origins.Its normally Y chromosome / father line that is used.Do I understand it correctly.Sardinia for example ,a substantial part of male population has I2 haplogroup male line.The question is,how did they get there and why & when.I2a is the original European haplogroup ,about 40.000 years ago started in the Balkans. In modern population of Balkans / Dinaric ,I2a is predominant haplogroup,but virtually none in Italy except Sardinia.How do I add that up?Anyone has any idea.
Travel by boat
Their boats look like Norse boats did they migrate North?
Safe to assume mitochondrial DNA introduced at barbery slave trade era in lebanon especially since there's no evidence of when.
Aren't there any nuclear dna studies?
It would have been interesting to look at the sicilian from the north western part of the island. They have a distinctive look . when you see them , you know they have an ancient and mysterious look
They are a blend of Greek and Maori
❤❤ yes we do
@@hatupatu4264WE ARE NOT 😂😂😂 are u nuts 😅 we have Ancient Greek not Māori ffs. DONT SPEAK FOR US
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"...necrpoli..." is no word. Greek "nekropolis" is "nekropoleis" in the plural.
"nekropolis"
City of the dead
I seem to recall that Herodotus claimed that the kidnapping of Helen of Troy was preceded by a series of kidnappings of princesses and that he claimed the Phoenicians started it. From the information presented here, it sounds as if the Phoenicians might have been doing much more of a trade in foreign women than simply kidnapping a few princesses.
Jazzgrubssmore, foreign babes are still a hot commodity
@@dalegamburg8995 lmaoo
Wow 👌 👏
Thanks jazz. You're speculation makes this whole video worthwhile. You think like I do. The Phoenicians weren't just kidnapping princess. They were clearly among the first human flesh traffickers.
Be careful with greek HERODOTUS buddy. He went into Egypt in 450BC on an exploratory fact finding mission. He's seen egypt himself and wrote that their skin was black and and hair was curly. He wrote much that the COLCHIANS looked like the egyptians and talked of the hearsay. He tells alot of hidden truth be careful.
@@michiganstatearchaeologyte800
Not a big deal. Today's scientists are telling people that All Humans were black Africans at one time and that white skin is fairly recent. The only people who don't accept this are KKK types, Neo-Nazis and non whites who are uncomfortable enough in their dark skin that they are in denial.
I found it very interesting that the video just casually mentions the circumnavigation of Africa like it is no big deal, and like it is accepted fact. I personally think it is likely to have happened, but I have read that most scholars consider it a "legend" at most. But if true it is a BIG DEAL.
What is the Phoenician Haplogroup ?
so many
Iberomaurusian
The latest investigations point to historic migrations originating in Egypt and using the ancient British language which today is known as Welsh you can directly translate egyptian Hieroglyphics and it pre-disposes that it was British/Welsh that was the spoken language of the ancient Egyptians.
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Nope. They were Mediterranean, from LEBANON.
About the "mobility" of women. The most plausible hypotheses that comes to mind is that women were abducted en masse. In your lecture, I would have liked you to elaborate much more on that.
A future geneticist might think the same thing about the sizeable influx of foreign women into the US in the late 1940s, and they'd be dead wrong.
Perhaps they were empowered and moved of their own free will ? That fits my narrative.
I would say the conclusion on “abduction” would be too certain to be correct. It looks like specifically female kind of mobility always was one of the distinctive traits of the entire humankind. Different mechanisms of it were the routine ways of maintaining the genetic pool diversity. For example, what do you know about pre-historical forms of marriage? Do you know about “collective marriage”, that is the “marriage” between different settlement acting as separate social organisms? And do on...
So if the Phoenicians were descended from ancient Natufians, what happened to the E1b1 haplotypes that was present in them along with J haplotypes?
Is there a Finnician , and Erin connection?
Yes Cart Hadash and Hadrian wall have a connection. Had translate to boundary in North Africa. So the the wall to us NA mean boundary of Ryan or Ryan's boundary.
I go to the point: the face of the man who appears at 3:12 is that one of an ethnic Sardinian or that of someone belonging to some other people, called into question at all costs and useful to make the Sardinians and more generally Italians more "exotic" than what they are? Does it serve to pull the sprint to some agenda that must enhance the specificities of everyone except the Europeans? Asking for a friend
Yes. Just do a image search for Sardinian women. You will clearly see their origins.
No need to bother with Google images, I know the faces of the Sardinians very well since
1) I am Italian
2) I have Sardinian friends
2) I frequently spent holidays on that island
The Sardinians obviously don't claim to be either Vikings, Hyperboreans or a kind of continental Obelix, but simply themselves. They have on average distinctly Mediterranean and archaic physiognomies / phenotypic characters, at times similar but not automatically superimposable to distinctly Levantine peoples. On the web everyone can find thousands of photos and videos of Sardinian village festivals, and if someone sees there masses of individuals perfectly resembling Middle Easterners, there are two cases: either he has never really seen a real Middle Eastern or he is trying to be smart.
If we start playing with cherry-picking, by finding individuals with extreme characters, I can easily find blond Sardinians, who are not even that rare (see a singer like Angelo Sotgiu). And on the other hand I bet that someone would have to complain if you wanted to propose George Clooney as the individual with the most representative phenotype of the populations of British / Irish / German ancestry ...
We must be careful with these messages, these studies, the same images used in them. Unfortunately I see that even very interesting and worthy of attention themes are becoming the vehicle of blatantly third-world / immigration liberal political nonsense whose purpose is not even so hidden: if you are "mixed" or not sufficiently "indigenous" to the land where you reside, you have no right to oppose waves of more or less unwanted groups, arrived illegally and with subterfuge, and you have to take it upon yourself.
And while we're at it, this also serves a little to "usurp" some shreds of other people's history and culture, when one's own is a little less compelling.
After all, it 's nothing new: it was the more or less similar topic exploited inappropriately for decades with the Etruscans, passed off in an interested way as "Turks" .. (when the real Turks in Anatolia had not even arrived yet). Then just one year ago the paper by Antonio and Moots was published, with some autosomal data of ancient Etruscan individuals and they plot exactly where they reside, indeed even a little further north-west (as if they were northern Italians tending towards the Iberian peninsula and southern France ...) I can hardly imagine the stomach ache of those who wanted them at all costs exotic peoples .
We are Mediterraneans, South Europeans, with all our gigantic flaws, but we haven't gotten through our brains yet. Especially in the case of the Sardinians, who are very jealous of their insularity: if anyone has any doubts, go and see what their regional flag means.
@@Uraia Thank you,
@@Uraia so you don't understand anything about the genetic research behind this entire video! It literally is all explained, with graphs. But apparently you are able to disagree because "you go on holidays in Sardinia". Ahahahahahahaha
@@wisdomtrue2008 I may not be very well versed in genetics, but you understand less than zero of verbal logic. Did I mention graphs? my note is about images chosen in a fraudulent way. Go hit somebody else. It's not my custom to entertain relationships or useless discussions with the stupid and ignorant woke culture of which you are a worthy representative.
Go back to your bed, you silly boy
My mother has a mitochondrial Cherokee gene called h1z1 gene and it’s thought to be linked to the Phoenicians makes sense they could have had a sea route to America’s at one point
The Minoans did indeed travel to the Great Lakes are for the extensive, high-quality copper mines. So, no wonder the Phonecians followed the same routes for the same thing.
@@robertcrusader5019 where is your proof?
@@sanderscupac7278 eos.org/articles/miners-left-pollution-trail-great-lakes-6000-years-ago
@@sanderscupac7278 chapelboro.com/town-square/columns/common-science/bronze-age-part-ii-the-case-of-the-missing-copper
@@sanderscupac7278 canada.greekreporter.com/2012/04/21/researcher-claims-ancient-greeks-made-it-to-america-before-columbus/
Carchemish or Qart Shem-esh (City of Shem)?
City of Shamash/ City of the Sun ie Heliopolis
Northeast Vanuatu ??
Can we get a DNA analysis on the Berbers and Egyptians?
The current Berbers have the alpogroup em81 which originates from Palestine. This alpogroup is found among the Arab families of the Maghreb which could confirm that Berbers are the descendants of part of the Arabs
We now know that the Arab-Berber population of the Maghreb has had many influences and therefore many mutations.
@@NaayliDZ I can tell by your name having Dz that you aren’t educated on genetics. Em81 originates from North Africa. J1 and J2 which is from the levant are the haplogroups of the Arabs so no, Berbers don’t descend from Palestinians or Arabs
@@NaayliDZ According to what study? They retain the Em81 haplogroup and DNA tests show a low influence by Arabs and Turks. Haplogroup testing suggests nearly 70% of the Maghreb is Berber. Arabs haplogroup occurs at a much lower frequency meaning Arabization was more so cultural than genetic. North Africans are genetically closer to other African populations like Mali or Senegal than they are to Arabs
These genetic study was found to be faulty. A marker occurs in conjunction with other markers, that are not studied, giving wrong results. Convicting murders/rapists/serial killers was abandoned in the US as a result.
Liar
What marker ? And it takes alot more than 1.
On what planet?
it is understandable politicly
but bizare you do not mention the hebrew bible as one of the sources of description of the fonecians since it is full of mention of them and the contact betwin the king hiram of tyre and king david of israel
and their trade and mariage contacts betwin the states
I love how dna tests either confirm or deny myth and history of our ancestors.
Corsica feeling left out
Balearic Islands - *"What am I, chopped liver!"*
DNA tests on the earliest settlers of the British Isles have found a close affinity with Berbers and Phoenicians. If confirmed it means that Phoenicians did not just visit Britain for tin in the centuries BC but in fact were the first to settle here thousands of years earlier. Although they sometimes called themselves Canaanites, their neighbours often called them Khumri. If you know Britain you know what that implies. I have read there are also some close parallels between the Phoenician language and early Gaelic. Those guys sure got around.
This is exactly what the Irish annals say, that the story of Ireland is the story of successive conquests by peoples from the same proto-Scythian/proto-Phoenician patrilines
@@derekpmoore
In North Africa the prefix Had in Hadrian translate to boundary. So who are the Rian???
So any idea if Phoenicians were hap group J and I?
Phoenicians J2 DNA Haplo group
North Africa E DNA haplo group
@@DavofYah J2
What that song at the beginning?
Ancient Israelites wrote about them too...and interacted with them quite a bit. Mostly positive diplomatic coexistence and having a shared border, trade alliances, and strong diplomacy.
Sardinia’s is close to Ilirjan and pelasgic peoples tho
Pelasgic? Fascinating!
Adam and Eve were pelasgian!! God was also pelasgian!😉
Calling the female slave trade "female mobility" is a bit off putting. I mean come on. Its 1800 BC in patriarchal societies. This was definitely traded women as either wives or just straight up sexual slavery.
Not in Phoenician society. The central God was Baalat Gubla, the name-Goddess of Gubla, their name for Byblos. Their 'Kings' were actually the consorts of the High Priestess of the City. If she was strong, she ruled, and her new choice could be 'King'. If not, she would be a pawn perhaps. It is right there in the Amarna letters from the 'Governor' of Byblos, Rib-Haddi. circa 1350 BCE. He wrote 70 letters to the Pharaoh over 25 years. The society had matriarchal roots, for sure.
Female mobility isn't exclusively due to slavery. No need for loaded language.
You are either kidding or haven't read much history. Slavery was as common as labor back then. Just walking thru a city you would see slaves performing functions daily. Why in 1900 BC we have a pre-nup wedding agreement between two elites that if the intending wife didn't provide child in two years she would have to pay to acquire a slave girl to give him child. It specified a 10 shekel slave girl. Probably a high price so an exotic one.
Slavery was so common women were sold as chattel for elite citizens delights. If you are going to read about ancient times you better get ready for horrors as common life.
@@kendethstryke3020 Again. Female mobility has a different definition than slave trade of women. The only assumption that could be made based on the genetic evidence is female genetic mobility. That mobility could be through slavery, and or other means. It isn't exclusively slavery.
Uhhh just call it what it is....human flesh trafficking.
Have they dug up People from the stoneage or are we talking about how long the Arabians are spred around?
I have ancestors from the Balearic Islands and I have always wondered if I had any Phoenician DNA.
i do have i'm a direct descendant from them , iberians
@Chester Perry h1aj1a phoenician , hittite hurrian mtdna
@Chester Perry ya that haplogropup is not Phoenician is neolithic farmers
There modern descendent are Lebanese it has nothing to do with the Balearic islands
@@that_lebanese4747 I was thinking in relation to Carthaginians having settled there, Carthage being a Phoenician colony and all.
This infinite list of haplogroup this, haplogroup that is very hard to follow because it has no context more the one or two through lines. The images do nothing to help the distinctions, they just add to the confusion with EVEN MORE alphanumeric crap. What is the point? I got nothing from it... at some point Spain got mixed into the salad and now I'm not even sure I speak English anymore!
This movement of women made me believe the story of the Trojan war is actually a reference to a real event in which specific women were taken captive for the purpose of breeding with them. The story shows again for the founding Egyptian monarchs, on the Narmer Macehead. The superancients apparently held a belief women could be used this way, to form new populations which are genetically bound together. Helena of Troy is perhaps a bronze age symbol for the beauty of all women and the attempt to take control of a nation through controlling its royal women. Loved this. Xoxoxo.
the greeks wrote that the Phoenicians traded with slaves and women. Without knowing history, one cannot understand genetics
I’m H3g maternal haplogroup being of European descent. The N maternal haplogroup is Eurasian and now mostly East Asian. W and X is from the maternal lineage from the Medes who were in Europe.
I have green eyes. Sometimes blue.
I was born with deep blue eyes. Later, a layer of green developed over the top, then flecks and a ring of goldish-yellow around the pupil. So I have three layers of colors on my eyes blue in the back, green in the center and yellow in front. Nobody's been able to tell me yet what exactly my eye color is. Getting my driver's license renewed is fun!
The city of Tyre is where the rubber hits the road
And every year in the city of Tyre is a Goodyear.
The youngest blood type AB came from Medeterian region.
How do you know it's the youngest?
mtDNA is female lineage , Ptdna should also be conducted to get the male lines ?
I usually get the lamb combo when I go to the Lebanese Kitchen... Such an interesting folk the Phoenicians I'll tell ya?
Phoenicians were not just one ethnic group , were a mix of different people Hittites Neo Hittite hurriam , Canaanites amorites you name it
The "Red men" were pre-Viking Vikings.
They were Wikingar-like Norsemen, who brought their sheilas with 'em.
Sailing generally is a pursuit of Europeans, generally, and Nords, in particular.
Sailing to war is absolutely a Norse custom or those under Norse biological instruction - Greeks
No
Ancient mesopotamia was the cradle of humankind so you can imagine who were Phoenician and where did they come from? from where french revolutionary emperor Napoleon Bonaparte too a belongd
You are right Norse men were the decendants of the Greeks and pre norse men were the pre indo European Sumerians' descendents who were basically the decendants of homosepians who left Africa some hundred thousand years back
Polynesians say you're wrong.
Polynesians also mixed Asians with lost Vikingar.
Thus are big Chinese basketball players and Japanese Samurai.
All descendants of vikings. Not all sailors but all large, tall fighters, like vikings.
Tall Africans pure, not mixed with vikings.
Turks mixed with African tallmen.
So doing the dna of the maternal linage make it much more confusing seeing that phoenicians wasnt oppose to mixing with different nations
No they werent but what you end uo with after enough generations is something totally separate.
@@funkmaster2258 are you joking? Phoenicians didnt mix with different nations???? Bro they had ports all over the Mediterranean. Are you assuming that hannibal didnt mix with sicilians? Upon conquering that location?
@@don1ceaza 2% admixture isnt permanent and gets bred out. It has to be alot more admixture to stay in the gene pool.
@@don1ceaza and no body said that genius. Aside from you who cant comprehend basic english.
20 minutes. Just two comments, one regarding the druze community (XB2 haplogroup). Most of the Druze fled to other countries, such as Israel and Lebanon, the ones I know came originally from tunesia, settled more than 1000 years ago in today's Israel, and Lebanon.
Blood RH NEG: Does not exist only around the Atlas area of Morocco.
What do you mean the Druze you know originally came from Tunisia?
The Majority of the druze are located in Lebanon, Syria and occupied Palestine. I have not heard of a druze community in Tunisia.
@@liwaa961 Hi Justine, i meant it as i wrote it down. I know a huge amount of Druze people who ones started to talk about their ancestors which came from Tunesia. Its a very closed community. They ones fled for the Arab when they invated North Africa because they had to become Muslims which they didnt want. They dont speak their ancient language anymore, and adapted Arabic, so they are Arabised in language but not in BLOODLINE. Anyway, they had to flee so they could at least practice their holy teachings...
Is it so important to you where the Druze people came from? What is so important about this haplogroup for you? MANY THANKS
Druze came to the Levant around 1000 years ago the Maronites are the original Lebanese
The other issue is the huge downplay of Phoetians who where based in Carthage and they influence on Rome and general Europe.The whole Senate the council of wise is of Phonetian origins and strangely even Belgium name is very Phonetian Baal like sounding
Do anybody know what does mean the word"Phoenician" or"Pho-e-nic-i-an"?
In what language it is right this?
Do you really know?
After that,the other things😉
they spoke a languages closely related to hebrew, used the same alphabet even... they were canaanites even
They used mostly purple dye from that word Phoenician comes
Hi great line of thinking!
Bibilical names such as
Ur,Nagar,Abram & Sarai
Came from where ?
Hebrew may have had a
Mother language !!
Sanskrit is the mother language of all the languages of the world
@@swamadal664 Hebrew and Sanskrit have the same roots so it's meanings should be same but as per my best knowledge every word of Sanskrit has twelve different meanings so as per it we all are right
What did the Phoenicians look like, Elizabeth Daynes reconstruction . I first saw such a face in the markets in Devon England 30 years ago, Long drop nose and long lobes, Egyptology recently stated that they have evidence of cedar logs being used on Egyptian temples 3000 bc . The Sidon kings list says 2300 bc Herakles and Aphroditi are Phoenician gods,
Funny how everyone's theories on the history of seminal civilisations seem to coincide with where the theorist was born... "They were Irish/albainian/scandinavian/israeli/iberian" etc etc.
There was a vast pre-historic trade network where all peoples mixed and developed from Britain (from the phoenician for "land of tin") to Colchis and India. Chill.
Iberian n Irish are not Phoenician
Would it be possible to conclude that the majority of slaves throughout history - ancient history, weren't from Africa?
The slave trade, as horrible as it was/is, accounted for mixing genetics over vast areas. Everyone of us today has at least some of our origins linked to the slave trade. Many of the wealthiest families today can link their wealth, at least in part, to the slave trade.
They were more likely human flesh trafficking with slaves as a important secondary item.
I would add: especially if you recall that slavery initially was a kind of big social progress. To realize that, one should do a correct comparison. When slavery was first “invented” as the mean of getting some additional economic and practical benefits from winning the war, the alternative to slavery was the total homicide of the conquered population. Slavery became possible only with a sufficient level of productive labor and the presence of additional produce. Initially, slavery was literally the way to save lives.
Also, it is impossible to compare correctly different forms of slavery.
And 90% of it was done by their own to their own.
@@stevethecross2727 If I could inject a thought about your comment. I can tell you are of European decent because of the way you generalize entire populations together as if all of Africa was homogeneous and under one government. Nothing could be farther from the truth. There are more genetically diverse groups on the African continent than the rest of the world put together. There are more language groups there than the rest of the world along with political divisions. Your comment would be like saying the Turks taking slaves in Iceland was an internal action, when the two places have little in common. Study the slave trade history in depth, you will find it is much deeper and broader than the narrow slice of history we have been taught.
Phoenicians writing was borrowed from paleo Hebrew. Why is it you did not mention any interaction and or connections with the ancient Israelites? “Phoenicians”” , canaanites, and ancient Israelites are essentially all the same people ..
Political correctness, I suspect! But, yes, they are known as Sidonians in the biblical literature. Hence, the place called Sidon in Lebanon to this day. Relations with Israel were good, unlike today.
Proto-Sinaitic scripts are not paleo-Hebrew alphabet
No it wasn't. Both aleo Hebrew and Phoenician arose from proto sinaitic canaanite.
Israël actual kazar peuple.
@@domyandersongarcia3248 Khazar people are Turks, some converted to Judaism, 600 ad. Hebrews / Israelites are 2000 bc. They came from Ur , they were Sumerians. Read the bible.
I just want to know where my blood came from why i sail, why i live in the middle of ocean and thrive
Personally I take everything on this channel with a grain of salt after the very misleading video on the origin of the Irish recently posted by this channel.
Can you please elaborate?
Everything should be taken 'with a grain of salt'.
You litterally just spewed some gobbledygook with 0 substance. How about you elaborate?
@@alexhage8092 .... like literally dude!😂
orogin of the irish ? egypt atlanteans from egypt
The Phoenician alphabet did not just spread west, but very much east as well.
Did someone mention that it was spread west? I haven't noticed that, but it would be quite ridiculous. There was not much of the “West” at this time except Greek; most of the influence was in the East: Early Semitic, Samaritan, Syriac, Aramaic, and Brahmic branches...
@@Micro-Moo wym we invented the alphabet that all western languages alphabets are based on
@@gohnjohn737 Eventually, yes, for sure.
This, not uncommon, ancient pattern of foreign women, suggests that they probably didn’t volunteer for marriage. Likely they were captured or purchased from elsewhere.
Or maybe got knocked up by a foreign sailor and decided to get out of town. Or maybe were very poor and saw a chance at a better life. There are lots of reasons that don't involve slavery or captivity. You still see a lot of the same today.
This is a really good documentary and will smash any misconceptions about who they were as a people, even though they were never a unified state.
Canaan,son of Ham,the son of Noah,had a son named Sidon. Sidon was the father of the Phonecians.Sidon had a son ,Phoenix from whence the name Phonecians derives.
nonsense.
@Judy wicker continuing with the nonsense, I see
Canaan was the son of shem.
"Female mobility" "inclusive" after you take the PC buzzwords out what you really are talking about is women being traded around the world.
That's certainly a possible mechanism, probably a variety of reasons for the movement of men and women including your suggestion.
What did the Canaanites look like? Why are they depicted like Southern Africans?
During their the continents were closer to each other
The Phoenecians like Assyrians, Aramaics, Hebrews, Arabs, And Sumerians started out as Semitic people
sumerian language wasn't a semitic you language expert.
Sumerians had blue eyes
@@AlanAndrei blue eyes doesn't indicate race or ethnicity you 'expert'
@@hassanabdikarimmohamed2505 yes it does
@@AlanAndrei care to explain? I'm a Cushite Somali and I have family members with blue eyes, my grandmother has green eyes, so were Sumerians Cushites then ? One thing we know for a fact, based on linguistic scholarly evidence, is that the Sumerian language had nothing to do with indo European languages (which were literally forming 6000 years ago, around the same time sumerian had already existed and developed for millenia), in fact many scholars have already shown the linguistic similarities and relatedness of Sumerian to afroasiatic languages (Cushitic Berber Egyptian) in North East Africa
I never read such nonsence commentaries in such a great subject which defies time ..Pitiful !
The later people known as Phoenicians have the paternal Y haplogroups of T G R1b Q I1 I2 J1 J2 E and B. These haplogroups are also in the Jewish people.
No R1, unusual.
Wait, so all this genetic coding means that Lebanese people have the most Phoenician genes? If only our ancestors didn't die out or mix, we would know more about them.